NextEra Energy Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: NextEra reported full‑year 2025 $3.71 adjusted EPS (up ~8% year‑over‑year), reiterated 2026 guidance of $3.92–$4.02 (targeting the high end), and is targeting an 8%+ CAGR in adjusted EPS through 2032 and again through 2035.
  • Positive Sentiment: Florida Power & Light (FPL) secured a new 4‑year rate agreement that supports $90–$100B of CapEx through 2032, a midpoint ROE of 10.95% (9.95%–11.95% range), rate‑stabilization balances, and a large‑load tariff driving >20 GW of hyperscaler interest (≈9 GW in advanced discussions, potential service beginning ~2028).
  • Positive Sentiment: Energy Resources had a record origination year (~13.5 GW added in 2025, ~30 GW backlog), put ~7.2 GW into commercial operation, and emphasized battery/storage (≈1/3 of backlog) with secured solar and domestic battery supply through 2029 and a ~95 GW storage pipeline.
  • Negative Sentiment: Management flagged headwinds that could pressure near‑term results, including higher financing costs (other impacts reduced EPS by ~$0.30 and corporate/other EPS declined ~$0.12), exposure to commodity/resource variability, and remaining regulatory/market uncertainties (PJM capacity design, state legislation around data centers, and the nascent SMR commercial pathway).
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Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the NextEra Energy, Inc. fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press Star then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press Star then two. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mark Eidelman, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Mark Eidelman
Mark Eidelman
Head of Investor Relations at NextEra Energy

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results conference call for NextEra Energy. With me this morning are John Ketchum, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer of NextEra Energy, Mike Dunne, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of NextEra Energy, Armando Pimentel, Chief Executive Officer of Florida Power & Light Company, Scott Bores, President of Florida Power & Light Company, Brian Bolster, President and Chief Executive Officer of NextEra Energy Resources, and Mark Hickson, Executive Vice President of NextEra Energy. John will start with opening remarks, and then Mike will provide an overview of our results. Our executive team will then be available to answer your questions. We will be making forward-looking statements during this call based on current expectations and assumptions, which are subject to risks and uncertainties.

Mark Eidelman
Mark Eidelman
Head of Investor Relations at NextEra Energy

Actual results could differ materially from our forward-looking statements, including if any of our key assumptions are incorrect because of other factors discussed in today's earnings news release and the comments made during this conference call, and the risk factors section of the accompanying presentation, or in our latest reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, each of which can be found on our website, www.nexteraenergy.com. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statements. Today's presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial measures. You should refer to the information contained in the slides accompanying today's presentation for definitional information and reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP financial measure. With that, I'll turn the call over to John.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Thanks, Mark, and good morning, everyone. NextEra Energy had strong operational and financial performance in 2025, delivering full-year adjusted earnings per share of $3.71, up over 8% from 2024, and slightly better than what we communicated as the top end of our range at our investor conference in December. Our expectations are to grow adjusted earnings per share at a compound annual growth rate of 8%+ through 2032, and we are targeting the same from 2032 through 2035, all off the 2025 base. As we enter a new year, we're focused on the opportunity in front of us. America needs more electrons on the grid, and America needs a proven energy infrastructure builder to get the job done. That's who we are, and that's what we do.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

NextEra Energy develops, builds, and operates energy infrastructure across the energy value chain, whether it's power generation, storage, or linear, electric, and gas infrastructure. It's why I believe we are well-positioned for the future as we execute against our strategic plan with the over 12 ways to grow that we presented in December. Importantly, our forecast to growth is visible and balanced between our regulated and long-term contracted businesses. Last year was about laying the groundwork for the future of our business. This year is about execution, which is our strong suit. Let's start with FPL, which begins the year with a new 4-year rate agreement that runs through the remainder of the decade. The Florida Public Service Commission unanimously approved the agreement in November and issued its final order last week.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

The agreement allows us to make smart, long-term infrastructure investments on behalf of our customers while keeping bills well below the national average. FPL expects to invest between $90 billion and $100 billion through 2032, primarily to support Florida's growth, while continuing its track record of keeping customer bills low and reliability high. While customer affordability is a major concern throughout many parts of the US, FPL's typical retail bill today is more than 30% lower than the national average. FPL expects typical residential customer bills to increase only about 2% annually between 2025 and 2029, which is lower than the current inflation rate of about 3%. Keeping customer bills low is our number one priority, and we do that by continuously investing in and executing against the best-in-class operating model. That discipline delivers real results.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

FPL's non-fuel O&M is more than 71% lower than the industry average, reinforcing our position as the lowest cost electric utility operator in the country. The four-year rate agreement also provides an allowed midpoint regulatory return on equity of 10.95%, with a range of 9.95% to 11.95%. FPL's equity ratio remains at 59.6%, and the agreement includes a rate stabilization mechanism. FPL's agreement also includes a large load tariff. We believe the tariff strikes the right balance by providing hyperscalers with speed to market at a competitive price.... while just as importantly, protecting our existing customers from bearing infrastructure build-out costs needed to support hyperscalers. FPL's speed-to-market advantages, combined with its best-in-class service, is creating significant large load interest to the tune of over 20 GW to date.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Of that, we are in advanced discussions on about 9 GW, a portion of which we now believe we could begin serving as soon as 2028. For context, every gigawatt is equivalent to roughly $2 billion of CapEx and earns the same return on equity as other FPL investments. Florida's growth requires continued investment in energy infrastructure. The state is expected to surpass 26 million residents by 2040, but it's more than just people moving into the state. Today, Florida is a $1.8 trillion dollar economy, the 15th largest economy in the world if the state were a standalone country. Florida leads the nation in key economic indicators like income migration, manufacturing, job growth, and corporate headquarter relocations. And that's what makes Florida's growth different than in the past.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

A diverse set of high-growth industries is bringing new businesses to the state, from the Space Coast to Miami and all across Florida. It's why Florida expects to add 1.5 million new jobs by 2034. This is high-quality economic development with high-wage jobs and innovative industries. FPL's continued infrastructure investments help make this economic transformation possible. Energy Resources also continues to grow its regulated portfolio, electric and gas transmission. NextEra Energy Transmission is one of America's leading independent electric transmission companies, with total regulated and secure capital of $8 billion. In fact, it's almost twice the rate base size of Gulf Power when we bought the company in 2019. Our scale and experience position us well as we execute on new transmission opportunities across America. NextEra Energy Transmission has secured roughly $5 billion in new projects since 2023.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

This includes PJM's recommendation in December that NextEra Energy Transmission and Exelon be selected to develop a new $1.7 billion high-voltage transmission line, which is expected to enhance the flow of more than 7 GW of power across the region. We expect PJM to make the decision on this project next month. We also continue to execute against our plan to grow our gas transmission business. Energy Resources has ownership interests in more than 1,000 miles of FERC-regulated pipelines, a portfolio with organic expansion opportunities. For example, Mountain Valley Pipeline has multiple ways to grow and is ideally positioned to bring gas from the Marcellus Shale even further into the Southeast, where gas demand is already high.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

It's why we acquired a portion of Con Ed's interest in MVP earlier this month, and we'll continue to look for opportunities to optimize and expand our regulated gas pipeline portfolio as we provide energy infrastructure solutions to enable large loads across the country. Putting it all together, we expect our combined electric and gas transmission business and energy resources to grow to $20 billion of total regulated and invested capital by 2032, a 20% compound annual growth rate off a 2025 base. Energy Resources had another record year originating new long-term contracted generation and storage projects. We added approximately 13.5 GW to our backlog, which includes a record quarter of origination of 3.6 GW since our last call. We have now originated approximately 35 GW over the last three years.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

To put that into context, 35 GW of power generation would rank as the 4th largest public utility in the U.S. What's also important is adding electrons to the grid. Again, that's what America needs right now, and that's what Energy Resources did, putting 7.2 GW of projects into commercial operations since last year, an Energy Resources record for a single year. Together, FPL and Energy Resources placed into service approximately 8.7 GW of new generation and storage projects in 2025. We continue to be well-positioned to build more renewables, which remain the lowest cost and fastest solution to meet our customers' immediate needs. We've secured solar panels to meet our development expectations through 2029. We've begun construction on those projects, too. We've also secured 1.5 times our project inventory against our forecast, providing us permitting protection.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Few companies in our industry are positioned like us. We've taken the same approach for battery storage, securing a domestic battery supply through 2029. That's important because battery storage now represents almost one-third of our 30-GW backlog, with nearly 5 GW originated over the past 12 months. We don't see this demand slowing. Nearly every region in the country needs capacity, and battery storage is the only new capacity resource available at scale. With a national footprint and large land position, we can work with customers across the country on standalone storage, but that's just the beginning. We can also take advantage of our existing footprint by co-locating storage where we already have connections to the grid, effectively doubling down or doubling capacity at a site. While it's the early innings, we're looking at long duration opportunities in two.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

In all, if you just look at standalone and co-located battery storage assets, we have a 95 GW pipeline. If you assume we can ultimately expand each of these sites, we could potentially double our total backlog. It's a huge competitive advantage and positions us well in a market that's showing strong demand. We also continue to advance our potential gas-fired generation build with a pipeline that's now topped 20 GW. To get us started, we've secured gas turbine slots with GE Vernova to support 4 GW of gas-fired generation projects. We have a lot of experience building gas-fired generation, as no one has built more over the last 20 years than NextEra Energy. Energy Resources remains focused on both optimizing and adding generating capacity to its nuclear fleet.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

We continue to advance the recommissioning of our Duane Arnold nuclear plant in Iowa, made possible by the 25-year power purchase agreement with Google we announced last year. Our nuclear fleet outside Florida is also ripe for advanced nuclear development. That's why we are spending time closely evaluating the capabilities of various SMR OEMs. All told, we have 6 GW of SMR co-location opportunities at our nuclear sites and are working to develop new greenfield sites. Of course, any nuclear new build would have to include the right commercial terms, conditions, with appropriate risk-sharing mechanisms that limit our ultimate exposure. In addition to Duane Arnold, we have capacity available at our nuclear plants in New Hampshire and Wisconsin.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Last year, Point Beach received a subsequent license renewal to operate for another 20 years in Wisconsin, and then signed a PPA extension for 14% of the plant's capacity. That deal alone contributes $0.03 of annual adjusted earnings per share. Extrapolate that to the rest of the plant, and you would get $0.21 of annual earnings per share, which is a meaningful increase to the annual earnings per share contribution from the current contract. We are also seeing similar interest at our Seabrook Station in New Hampshire. Between the two of them, we have 1.7 GW of capacity we're offering to the market. Our ability to build all these forms of energy infrastructure is why Energy Resources continues to be a partner of choice for hyperscalers.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Remember, companies investing $10s of billions in technology infrastructure don't have time and can't afford to take a chance on a failed project. We come to the table with a national footprint, decades of development experience, unmatched energy infrastructure capabilities, and a strong balance sheet to support their needs. Our breadth and depth allow us to have a multi-year, multi-gigawatt, multi-technology discussion with hyperscalers. These data center hub opportunities, as we call them, represent a powerful channel to originate large generation projects with expansion opportunities, where we can grow alongside our hyperscaler partner rather than building on a project-by-project basis. As we discussed in December, our data center hub strategy is all part of our new 15 by 35 origination channel and goal for Energy Resources to place in service 15 GW of new generation for data center hubs by 2035.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

This dedicated workstream to power data center hubs is expected to help us achieve our existing development expectations through a mix of new renewables, battery storage, and gas generation. It gives us one potential path to achieve the 6 GW, the midpoint of our development expectations of new gas-fired generation build through 2032. We currently have 20 potential hubs we are discussing with the market, and we expect that number to rise to 40 by year-end. While we won't convert every single hub, I'll be disappointed if we don't double our goal and deliver at least 30 GW through this channel by 2035. To get there, Energy Resources is laser-focused on positioning the company to where we see the large load market going, and that's to bring your own generation or BYOG. It makes sense, given affordability concerns across the U.S.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Hyperscalers can solve that problem by bringing and paying for their own power generation infrastructure. In fact, this issue took center stage earlier this month when the White House and a bipartisan group of Mid-Atlantic governors came forward with a framework of a potential solution to address the mounting affordability challenges in the PJM market. We believe we are uniquely positioned to deliver for the BYOG market across America. That's because at our core, Energy Resources is a builder. We also have a strong balance sheet, and we have decades of experience and the team required to get the job done.... Here's what also separates us. We can work with hyperscalers and the local service provider, whether it's an investor-owned utility, a municipal utility, a cooperative, or retail electric provider in a competitive market. We have deep, long-standing relationships across the board. That matters.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

On top of that, our renewables and storage portfolio provides us with the speed-to-market solution to get the initial phase of a data center off the ground and built. Think of it as a hook, so to speak, that's important for two reasons. First, it means the hyperscaler doesn't have to wait. Second, it allows us to then grow with our data center customers over time by providing additional capacity through other power generation solutions, like new gas-fired generation or SMRs. Importantly, we've done the work to make sure we are ready to build what our customers need, when, and where they need it. And we're not just building new infrastructure, we are also working to maximize the value of our existing assets. I talked about our recontracting opportunity at our nuclear sites.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

It's the same story across our renewables fleet, where we have up to 6 GW of recontracting opportunities through 2032. The PPAs for these projects were signed more than a decade ago during much different market conditions. As the PPAs begin to expire over the next several years, we believe recontracting will command a higher price. Energy Resources customer supply business also creates a key competitive advantage, providing significant market insight, and that portfolio and knowledge base is growing. On January 9, we successfully closed on our acquisition of Symmetry Energy Solutions, which is one of the leading suppliers of natural gas in the U.S. and an ideal addition to our footprint. Symmetry operates in 34 states and provides us access to additional physical assets, enabling us to deliver a broad range of solutions for our customers.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

We expect more gas-fired generation to be built across America, including by NextEra Energy, so having the ability to move molecules around the country is a critical skill set. We are also spending a considerable amount of time accelerating our use of artificial intelligence. In fact, I expect our team to leverage AI better than anyone in America. As we announced at our investor conference last month, NextEra Energy and Google Cloud have entered into a landmark strategic technology partnership to redefine the future of the electric industry. Google, Google Cloud is helping us drive and accelerate our own enterprise-wide AI transformation called REWIRE. And REWIRE will also help us identify and ultimately build AI-first products, leveraging Google Cloud's platform. The plan is for our first products to help enable dynamic, AI-enhanced field operations and a more reliable and resilient grid.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

In fact, we expect to launch our first product at an industry event in early February, as our partnership with Google is off and running. As I said at our investor conference last month, past performance doesn't guarantee future results, but I believe it's a strong indicator when the road ahead looks a lot like the road NextEra Energy has already traveled. Across economic cycles, NextEra Energy's financial performance has remained consistent. The difference today is that we have more ways to grow and an opportunity like never before, to build new energy infrastructure to meet growing power demand across our country. As we move forward, we will remain focused on what has long defined us: being America's leading utility company and leading energy infrastructure developer and builder of all forms of energy. I couldn't be more excited about our future. With that, I'll turn it over to Mike.

Mike Dunne
Mike Dunne
EVP and CFO at NextEra Energy

Thanks, John. Let's begin with FPL's detailed results. For the full year 2025, FPL's earnings per share increased $0.21 versus 2024. The principal driver of FPL's 2025 full year performance was regulatory capital employed growth of approximately 8.1%. FPL's capital expenditures were approximately $2.1 billion in the fourth quarter, bringing its full year capital investments to a total of roughly $8.9 billion. FPL's reported return on equity for regulatory purposes is expected to be approximately 11.7% for the twelve months ending December 31, 2025. During the fourth quarter, FPL utilized approximately $170 million of reserve amortization, resulting in a remaining pre-tax balance of approximately $300 million at year-end 2025.

Mike Dunne
Mike Dunne
EVP and CFO at NextEra Energy

Consistent with prior rate agreements, the Florida Public Service Commission approved a rate stabilization mechanism that allows us flexible amortization over the four-year period. Under FPL's new rate agreement, this $300 million will be available for future amortization through the approved rate stabilization mechanism. When combined with the other components of the rate stabilization mechanism, which are maintained on an after-tax basis, FPL will have an aggregate after-tax balance of approximately $1.5 billion available over the term of the agreement.... This compares to the pre-tax balance of $1.45 billion that was approved in our prior four-year settlement in 2021. Key indicators show that the Florida economy remains strong, and Florida's population continues to be one of the fastest-growing in the country.

Mike Dunne
Mike Dunne
EVP and CFO at NextEra Energy

Its annual gross domestic product is now roughly $1.8 trillion, or the 15th largest economy in the world, if Florida were its own country. For the fourth quarter of 2025, FPL's retail sales increased 1.7% from the prior year on a weather-normalized basis, driven primarily by continued strong customer growth. In the fourth quarter of 2025, we added over 90,000 customers as compared to the prior year comparable quarter. For the full year 2025, FPL's retail sales increased 1.7% from the prior year on a weather-normalized basis, also driven primarily by the strong customer growth in our service territory. Now let's turn to energy resources, which reported full-year adjusted earnings growth of approximately 13% year-over-year.

Mike Dunne
Mike Dunne
EVP and CFO at NextEra Energy

For the full year, contributions from new investments increased by $0.47 per share, reflecting continued demand growth for our generation and storage portfolio. Contributions from our existing clean energy assets decreased $0.04 per share. Increased contributions from our nuclear fleet were more than offset by the absence of earnings due to the minority sale of certain pipeline assets in 2024 and other headwinds, including wind resource. Our customer supply and trading business increased results by $0.04 per share, driven by increased origination activity and higher margins. Other impacts decreased results by $0.30 per share year-over-year. This decline reflects higher financing costs of $0.17 per share, mostly related to borrowing costs to support our new investments, as well as increased development activity to support business growth and higher state taxes.

Mike Dunne
Mike Dunne
EVP and CFO at NextEra Energy

For the fourth year in a row, energy resources again delivered our best year ever for origination, adding nearly 13.5 GW of new generation and battery storage projects to our backlog. This includes approximately 3.6 GW since our last call. 1.7 GW, or almost 50% of our fourth quarter additions, were solar projects. Our 2025 origination performance reflects growing demand, including from hyperscalers that are looking for speed-to-market power solutions. Our backlog now stands at approximately 30 GW after taking into account roughly 3.6 GW of new projects placed into service since our third quarter call. In 2025, we placed over 2 GW of battery storage into service, increasing our annual battery storage build from 2024 by roughly 220%.

Mike Dunne
Mike Dunne
EVP and CFO at NextEra Energy

We believe our 30-gigawatt backlog provides terrific visibility into energy resources' ability to deliver attractive growth in the years ahead. Turning now to the consolidated results for NextEra Energy. For the full year, adjusted earnings per share from our corporate and other segment decreased by $0.12 per share year-over-year, primarily driven by higher interest costs. NextEra Energy delivered 3- and 5-year compound annual growth rates in operating cash flow of over 14% and over 9%, respectively. Our 2026 adjusted earnings per share expectation ranges of $3.92 to $4.02 per share remain unchanged, and as we said in December, we are targeting the high end of that range. NextEra Energy has met or exceeded its annual financial expectations since 2010, which is a record we are proud of.

Mike Dunne
Mike Dunne
EVP and CFO at NextEra Energy

This provides us confidence in our 10 years of financial visibility that we shared with you at last month's investor conference. We expect to grow adjusted earnings per share at a compound annual growth rate of 8%+ through 2032 and are targeting the same from 2032 through 2035, all off the 2025 base of $3.71 of adjusted earnings per share. From 2025 to 2032, we expect that our average growth in operating cash flow will be at or above our adjusted earnings per share compound annual growth rate range. We also continue to expect to grow our dividends per share at roughly 10% per year through 2026, off of 2024 base, and 6% per year from year-end 2026 through 2028. As always, our expectations assume our caveats.

Mike Dunne
Mike Dunne
EVP and CFO at NextEra Energy

That concludes our prepared remarks, and with that, we will open the line for questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Great. Thank you. Hi, John and Mike. So subsequent to your investor day, I think Google announced the acquisition of Intersect, the renewables developer. So I'm curious, kinda how does that fit in with how you're thinking about your partnership with Google? And if we do see other hyperscalers acquire developers, kinda, how do you think about that as competitive risk? Or how are you just thinking about that if that becomes a thematic?

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Yeah, Steve, it's John. Thank you for the question. And, you know, first of all, the short answer is, it has no impact on our partnership. You know, Google called us, you know, in advance of the announcement and said as much, you know, to us. And here's why. I mean, we have a lot of respect for Intersect, but, you know, they're a smaller developer. They're really concentrated in two states, you know, California and ERCOT. And when you buy into a smaller developer, you're buying into their existing position, and you've really got to think through what that existing position comes with. Where are they on safe harbor, right? Those deadlines have already passed for tax credits, so you're stuck with whatever safe harbor position that they have.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

A smaller developer's always gonna have a small safe harbor position, just given the obvious limitations. CEOC, right, is another safe harbor where the deadline has passed, as well. We are in outstanding position in both of those areas, you know, and have a ton of flexibility to add a lot of generation. You're also kinda stuck with their inventory. You know, where are their permitted sites? You know, we have permitted sites across the United States. We have one and a half times coverage on those sites. You're also kinda stuck with their supply chain position and their relationships. You know, have they... Remember, there's long lead time equipment that has to be secured.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

So if you weren't planning on an acquisition, you probably didn't have a lot of inventory to start with, to go engage in a large build. And so I think that's certainly a limiting factor. We've been very vocal. I mean, we've been out buying equipment for, you know, for, you know, across the energy value chain, secured our solar and storage inventory through 2029. I don't think many small developers can say that. And then, experience across technologies. You know, you got to really find somebody that knows all 50 states, that can do business in 50 states, understands the ISOs in and out, working with FERC, working with Washington, and, experience across wind and solar and storage and transmission, whether it's electric or gas. All of those things are, you know, nuclear and gas-fired generation.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

It's very rare and unusual and unique, the position that NextEra is in. And so I think when you put all of those factors together, you know, addressing your other question, the competitive risk, I just don't see it. You know, we are in a period of significant power demand, needing to put electrons on the grid. We have great sites. We have 20 data center hubs, you know, on the, you know, that we're developing currently, trying to expand that to 40. Small developers just don't have that. And, so we're in a great spot, and, I couldn't be less concerned.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Understood. One other question, just on... We've seen a little more noise just on kinda data center siting opposition or concerns about, you know, causing rates to go up and including some, I think, in Florida. Just could you maybe just talk to how you're feeling about that overall, but maybe specific in your Florida plan?

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Sure. I'll turn that over to Scott Bores to address the Florida question, and I'll come back and talk about what we're seeing on the national level.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Hey, Steve, it's Scott. In Florida right now, we are in legislative session. There are two pieces of legislation out there, one, one by the House, one by the Senate. The, the Senate is the one that's advanced through- already through a committee, and I will say is the, the more constructive legislation. What that is really pushing for is, I'll say, a lot of what our tariff already does, providing protections to the general body of customers. And so we are gonna continue to support that legislation as it advances, and I think ultimately that is gonna allow us to, to continue to move our tariff forward and hopefully, continue to, to get some customers signed up and move that forward. But nothing we're concerned about in Florida.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Yeah, and when I look at things nationally, that's what's so beneficial about what NextEra Energy brings to the table, right? One, we have a national footprint. Two, we have the ability to really help our customers design affordable and reliable, you know, solutions. Given what we can bring to the table across the energy value chain, you know, we really can help them actually come up with a solution that really threads the needle, you know, around affordability, but also bringing the necessary electrons that are required to create that job creation, create that property tax base.... And, you know, like I said in my prepared remarks, I mean, we really see this heading more towards bring your own generation. And I think that's how we've set up our entire pipeline and our development effort.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

And, you know, we are one of the very few companies that are out there building. And, you know, and if investors are looking for a way to get exposure to a builder, I think we're the perfect answer for that. And I think that's where Washington is heading. I think that's where the various ISOs are heading, because it's going to be really important that the hyperscaler shoulder, you know, the cost associated with the incremental generation that has to be built to power the data center. And I think we're the perfect partner to do that, given the relationships that we have, given our ability to do things at a much lower cost than our competition. And, and, and so feel good about where things stand outside of Florida as well, for those reasons.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Julien Dumoulin-Smith with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Hey, good morning, team. Thank you guys very much for the time. I appreciate it. Maybe picking up where Steve left off here. Look, I'd love to hear a little bit about how you think and what's the expectations on the cadence of announcements to hit these targets, whether the 15 or 30 gigawatts, and specifically, what does success in 2026 look like in order to ensure you're tracking against those, you know, 15 plus or what have you? And then within that, John, how do you think about the kinds of resource mix? Like, is 15, what's the composition of gas versus renewables, et cetera, et cetera, if you can. And then maybe a subpart to that, to tie back what Steve said, how would you set milestones or expectations in FPL specifically?

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

I know you guys talked about the 2028 starting timeline of data centers. Is that coming sooner or later relative to the near reference on the hubs?

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Yeah, let me, let me go ahead and take, take those in order, Julien. Yeah, so first of all, let's just talk about the development expectations that we laid out at the investor conference. You know, as, as I said before, they're not heroic, right? I mean, they're basically, as long as we can do, over, you know, through 2032, what we've done over the last 10 or 20 years, we're going to be in great shape, right? I mean, we're, we're counting on, you know, market share that is very consistent with what we've been able to achieve over the last 1 to 2 decades. In renewables, it's about 15% to 20%, in storage, it's about 20% to 30%, and in gas, through 2032, it's only 5% to 10%, you know, market share.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

You know, so we feel very good, first of all, with the base forecast. Second, when you mention the, you know, the fifteen by thirty-five, one of the things that I want to make really clear is that fifteen by thirty-five is just an origination channel, right? That's a program that we have on the origination side to hit those very reasonable, very realistic development expectation. It's one of many ways to get there. And when you unpack that fifteen to thirty-five gigawatts, the composition of it is roughly 6 GW of gas-fired generation by 2035, and it's going COD by 2035, you know, to hit that. And it's a mix of renewables and storage, you know, for the balance.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

So, you know, we feel good, you know, about where we stand, and we hope to be able to do, you know, a little bit better, better than that. Actually, let me make one clarification. That's 6 GW of gas by 2032. I said 2035, by 2032. And second, let me talk about the milestones for Florida real quick, and then we'll turn things over to Armando, to add some points on Florida. For FPL, we feel really good about where things stand. Right now, we have, you know, 20 GW of interest in Florida, and we have advanced discussions with, you know, customers on roughly 9 GW. For all the reasons that I had in my prepared remarks, Florida is a terrific data center opportunity for the right partner.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

I think folks see that, and they realize the benefits and the growth that we're going to be seeing in Florida, the fiber latency issues, the need to be close to where business is developing in South Florida, all the development that we're seeing across the state. But second, what's really attractive and what's really appealing, I think, for hyperscalers is... Look, we have a really, you know, we have a low bill. We know how to get things done. We have a long track record of being able to work with the state, you know, at all levels. And, but most importantly, from a customer standpoint, we have a large load tariff that makes sure that the hyperscaler is paying the cost of the additional bill, not the customers in Florida.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Armando, do you have anything you'd like to add?

Armando Pimentel
CEO at Florida Power & Light

Yeah, just real quick, Julien. So John had, in the prepared remarks, a sentence that said, 2025 was about laying the groundwork, and 2026 is about execution. That, that applies to both companies and certainly to, to FPL. To answer your question as specific as I can, my expectations is that in 2026, that there will be, announcements regarding large load in, in our service territory. That's certainly what we are-

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

... shooting for and, and working for. And that's what 2026 for us is all about.

Brian Bolster
Brian Bolster
President and CEO at NextEra Energy Resources

And Julien, just on the question around what does 2026 look like for us for success? I'd just go back to 13. The comment about 13 is our expectations. This is our kind of roadmap that we're going to track against from the standpoint of where do we think we we'll be developing. And so this is the channel feeds into this, as John mentioned. So we're looking at the expectation of what we're laying out here on page 13 and continuing to track against those.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Awesome. Just as a quick follow-up in terms of disclosures, maybe, and not to pin you down too much on 2026. But how do you think about, say, chunkier announcements, you know, say, with Google here and making specific announcements around that versus, you know, the typical quarterly announcement cadence for singles and doubles to, to kind of quote-unquote, chip away against that 15+ GW target on the near side. Should we expect bigger announcements here, or is this going to be more of a regular quarterly cadence of, of chipping away?

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Yeah, I mean, I'll say two things about that, Julian. I mean, first of all, you know, we have a lot going on as a company, a lot of opportunities, a lot of discussions that we're having with customers that are in various stages. You should not expect us to wait for quarterly calls to announce those things. So as they happen, you know, we will, you know, come forward with them on those, on those chunkier deals, you know, as, as, as you call them.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Excellent, guys. We'll leave it there. All the best. Good luck.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Thanks, Julien. Take care.

Operator

The next question comes from Shahriar Pourreza with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Hey, guys. Good morning. Can you hear me?

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Good morning, Char.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Morning. John, just in terms of, the nuclear recontracting, maybe just an update in Wisconsin, since the existing counterparties need to make a resource decision kind of soon. I guess, where do we stand on marketing the open capacity? And just given the amount of acreage that's around the site, could we see sort of a behind the meter deal structure there, or should we continue to assume a virtual deal just given the BYOG initiatives, et cetera? Thanks.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Yeah, I mean, you know, first of all, on Wisconsin and Point Beach, I'd say this about all of our nuclear plants. We saw how much interest there was around Duane Arnold. There's a lot of interest, you know, around Point Beach. Wisconsin's in a great spot, for data center, you know, build out. You know, it's no secret, you know, how much, how much interest there's been there, Foxconn and Cloverleaf and, you know, some of the other, you know, expansion opportunities around the state. Very conducive to data center build out. And so with that becomes a lot of interest, you know, around power generation, solutions.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Given the relationships that we have with utilities in the Midwest region and with cooperatives in the area, you saw the WPPI deal that, you know, we announced with 14% of the generation already having been secured, is one example of that. You know, we feel very good about how that asset is positioned. We're going to be careful and methodical about our approach and, you know, make sure that, you know, we are doing the right thing by our shareholders in terms of what we ultimately do with that asset.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Got it. Okay, appreciate that. And then just on PJM, specifically, a lot of different data points there, but would you participate in the backstop auction there, just either on the renewable or gas side? Is it sort of becoming a little bit more constructive as a solution? Thanks.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Yeah, I think, Char, the way I would answer that is still a lot to play out, right? And you got to have regulatory certainty before you allocate capital against, you know, any investment. And so we would have to have real regulatory certainty around outcomes here in order to drive new investment. And I think that is exactly what the administration is trying to do, and I think that's what the 13 governors that signed on to the recent framework agreement or framework proposal, you know, that was announced. But PJM has more work to do, you know, in terms of coming up with what exactly they plan, you know, for the future, you know, of that market.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

But certainly, under the right construct, it could be, you know, you know, attractive, you know, for, for new generation. But you have to have a, you know, a long-term, certainty around what capacity prices are going to be. They have to be at the right level, in order to support, you know, new investment in that area. And as I look at it with, how we're positioned around BYOG, we have so many opportunities around the United States right now that, that we are pursuing. But certainly, we have a, a close, keen eye on PJM as well and, and are watching to see how things play out.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Got it. Perfect. That's all the questions I had. Thanks.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Thank you, Char.

Operator

The next question comes from Nicholas Campanella with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to come back to the FPL large load discussion. Just... I wanted to just understand, you have the tariff framework in place, so just what is the kind of gating item more on the customer side? Like, what are your customers telling you they're still trying to get done before being able to kind of move forward with an agreement? Is it, is it like water, land permitting, zoning? I guess, just what needs to kind of fall into place to see some announcements here in 2026? Appreciate it.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

... Thanks. So look, customers want to make sure that when they're plopping down the $10 billion or so for all the capital that's needed for one of these, that they're in a place that they feel comfortable long term. And while we have a tariff, there is current legislation being discussed up in Tallahassee that may make a difference in terms of water usage, may make a difference in terms of items that the hyperscalers or large load company entities can get from local municipalities or from the state, and they're, you know, waiting to see how that shakes itself out. Scott answered a question before on what's going on in Tallahassee.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

We feel quite comfortable that we are going to get to a very constructive outcome in terms of what data centers have to look at in order to do business in Florida. But my expectation, as I answered the question before, is that in 2026, based on what we are seeing, the interest that what we are seeing on the ground here in Florida, and particularly in the FPL service territory, that there will be some announcements in 2026. So again, I expect there to be a constructive outcome to the legislation that's being discussed up in Tallahassee, and I also think it's very likely that we will have announcements in 2026 regarding large load in our service territory.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Great. Thanks. Sorry to make you repeat yourself. And then maybe just a quick update on supply chain. I know you have the 4-8 GW gas target, and you talked about having secured supply for 4 GW. Just when would you kind of secure the additional 4, and where do you see pricing right now through 2032, and availability? Thank you.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Yeah, Nicholas, so, you know, so, so first of all, you know, we have a 4 GW position on gas, which, you know, we would put against the opportunity set, mainly, mainly those data center hub opportunities that, that we see and are continuing to advance. I've talked a lot about on this call. From a, you know, when will we, you know, secure more? You know, as our discussions, you know, continue to advance and, you know, we, we continue to have very good discussions, you know, kind of across the board on those, on those 20 gigawatts of data center hubs that we hope to grow to 40 by the end of this year. And, you know, we always make prudent decisions around how we, how we manage our supply chain position.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

I don't worry too much about it in terms of gas turbine availability, though. I mean, given the relationship and partnership that we have with GE Vernova, getting our hands on, gas turbines at a, at an economic and competitive price is, not, not the top of my list of things to be concerned about. You know, and so I think that probably also addresses, you know, the pricing point. I can't give you specific pricing terms and conditions, you know, that, that we would, that we would get or that we would see, but they're-- I would say they're just remain consistent with what we told you, you know, back, back in, in, in December.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Hi, good morning.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Morning.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Just wanted to start off with wind additions, if I could. It looked like, you know, a little uptick there. Just wondering if you could frame a bit more what you're seeing. Are there some green shoots that could be developing there?

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Sure. We had some wind additions that you saw in 2028 and 2029, if you were looking at the backlog page. And listen, we continue to see balance across our business from the standpoint of opportunities for people who are looking for electrons. And so I don't. You know, from a green shoots perspective, I do think we'll continue to see more solar, more storage, and then ultimately gas relative to wind. I think that's a trend that continues to move forward, but, you know, we still see interest across the various products. We've got a, you know, national footprint and national customer base, and the need for electrons kind of varies.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

So, you know, we're glad to add them, but I think the trend is still going to be more towards solar and battery as we think about those various products.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Got it. Understood. And if I could just pivot towards SMRs. I think we started to see hyperscalers and other, I guess, end users start to adopt, I guess, one technology to run with. And so, you know, granted, it's a ways off at this point, but just wondering your thoughts on this and whether you might look to partner with one technology here to go for it as everyone tries to go from FOAK to NOAK. And just wondering, you know, rough timing in around design approval and then construction timelines if you were to go in that direction.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Yeah, good question. And, you know, we've done a lot of work, you know, around the OEMs. I think we said back in December, you know, we kind of took the 96 or so folks that call them SMR OEMs and culled that down to about 12 and then did deep dives on technology and commercial assessment around the balance. And, you know, we have a, we have a very good feel, you know, as to, as to, you know, who may make sense to advance discussions with, there. But, you know, whether or not we, we partner with one, you know, partnering is not something that, you know, we've-...

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

You know, historically done, we like to create competition, you know, amongst our suppliers, unless one particular supplier has concentration, you know, in a specific area or has a unique technology offering, and we can enter into a attractive, you know, long-term, you know, pricing, you know, arrangement that creates win-wins. But, you know, well, we're always careful about locking ourselves in with just one counterparty. But, obviously, for us to advance on SMRs, which is something we are, we have an SMR team, first of all, I should say. You know, we are taking this very seriously. We have a development, a part of our development organization that is focused 100% on SMRs.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

So we're not only looking at development around our existing nuclear sites, but we're also looking at greenfield opportunities as well, and how an SMR could fit into a long-term solution around a data center hub, as we look to the future. But again, you know, any movement from us on SMRs, I go back to what I said in the prepared remarks, has to be under the right commercial terms and conditions, where there's appropriate risk-sharing, capping on financial exposure, because we're going to be very prudent and careful how we approach that market. But excited about, you know, the potential. You also asked about, you know, some of these announcements where you see, hyperscalers, you know, teaming up with one specific, OEM. I'm not sure how much I would read into that.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

You know, I think really, you know, folks are just trying to learn more and, and see, you know, who has viable solutions out there. We'll see which ones actually advance over time. But, you know, that's what we are keenly focused on. And in any discussion, it's not around SMRs, it's not only with the OEM, it's with the hyperscaler as well. It's with the government, right? I mean, it's going to take four parties coming together to come up with the right structure that, that makes sense, but it's something we're very focused on.

Mark Hickson
Mark Hickson
EVP at NextEra Energy

Yes. And then the only thing I'd add, which I, I know, we've said before, is while we're, we are spending a lot of time, and it's not in our expected... That would be upside to our plan. If we were able to put something together, we are spending all that time that John talked about it, and it would be upside to our plan, but our base plan doesn't have SMRs in it. And so we're, but we do think it could be good upside, and we're spending real time on it because I think there's an opportunity that we're excited about.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Got it. Makes sense. One quick last one, if I could. It does seem like the federal government is putting in very significant billions of dollars to support SMR and nuclear development here. Just curious, I think, if there's anything missing or what more could be put in there to get the market going in this direction?

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Yeah, I think, first of all, I think the administration is doing all the right things. Like you said, I mean, they are really trying to enable American energy dominance across the board and excited about many of the programs that they're coming forward with around nuclear in particular and around SMRs and advanced nuclear. I think that just those programs that they've already established create the opportunity for that four-way discussion, you know, that I just mentioned in a very constructive way that, you know, I think could hopefully get one of these projects off and running under the appropriate commercial, you know, structure. But more work to do there, right?

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

I mean, you know, I think we've made some very good progress, you know, in that area, and I think the government is doing the right things. And so, you know, up to developers and OEMs and, and customers to come together to work with the government on the right framework.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Got it. Thank you. I'll leave it there.

Operator

The next question comes from Carly Davenport with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Hey, good morning. Thanks for fitting my question in. You had mentioned earlier the PJM recommendation for the transmission project with Exelon. I guess there's been some degree of pushback in Pennsylvania on that project, given the cost and some of the shifts on the PJM load forecast. Can you just talk a little bit about that and your confidence in that project moving forward?

Mark Hickson
Mark Hickson
EVP at NextEra Energy

Sure. Listen, I think our confidence continues to be high. You know, PJM management continues to recommend, and we expect them to continue to recommend for the board in the ultimate board meeting up. We're listening to everyone, all the stakeholders, the OCA, as they continue to think about this project, but we think this is important for reliability. It's the lowest cost answer in the region to achieve that reliability, and it continues to be supported by PJM. So we feel good and continue to feel good, and we'll continue to listen to all the stakeholders throughout the process.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Great. Thank you. And then, just on the adjusted EBITDA outlook for 2026 at NEE. If we look at the year-over-year guidance for both gas pipes and gas infrastructure, that looks down year-over-year. So just curious, given the asset purchases in that area this year, kind of what drives that decline, and if you see any potential upside, you know, obviously recognizing that's a smaller piece of the pie today.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

Yeah, I think as we've mentioned on the natural gas pipelines, it's going to be an area that we continue to grow over the course of the next decade. If you look at what occurred between 2025 and what we look at for 2026, it's simply as you looked at our proportionate ownership share in Explorer, they had a Meade Pipeline that they divested as Explorer, and that brought down that EBITDA. But as we look on a go-forward basis, pipelines will be a, you know, a critical piece of our growth trajectory for 2026 and beyond. And listen, as we look at a gas infrastructure, I think the reduction in EBITDA is relatively small, you know, $50-ish million or so.

John Ketchum
John Ketchum
Chairman, President and CEO at NextEra Energy

As you look at that piece, we'll continue to see that, you know, have a place in our overall structure, but I wouldn't necessarily expect that to be a key piece of our growth trajectory.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Julien Dumoulin-Smith
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies

Got it. Thanks so much for the color.

Operator

At this time, the conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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    • Brian Bolster
      Brian Bolster
      President and CEO
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      John Ketchum
      Chairman, President and CEO
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      Mark Eidelman
      Head of Investor Relations
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      Mark Hickson
      EVP
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      Mike Dunne
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      Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies
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