TSE:CCL.A CCL Industries Q4 2025 Earnings Report C$84.49 0.00 (0.00%) As of 05/4/2026 01:32 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings History CCL Industries EPS ResultsActual EPSC$0.99Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ACCL Industries Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.88 billionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACCL Industries Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date2/25/2026TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, February 26, 2026Conference Call Time7:30AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress ReleaseAnnual ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by CCL Industries Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 26, 2026 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Record cash generation and stronger balance sheet: 2025 free cash flow from operations was a record $891.3 million (up 47%), net debt fell to $1.26 billion and leverage improved to 0.78x with ~US$1 billion of cash on hand and undrawn credit capacity. Positive Sentiment: Increased shareholder returns and large buyback authorization: the company returned $523.7 million in dividends and buybacks in 2025, repurchased ~$300 million of shares, raised the 2026 dividend 12.5%, and converted its NCIB to an automatic repurchase plan authorized up to $1.2 billion. Neutral Sentiment: Operational outlook is mixed: management expects low- to mid-single-digit organic growth at CCL for 2026 (Q1 may be impacted by U.S. weather), while Checkpoint’s RFID business aims for high-single- to double-digit growth if retail orders normalize. Negative Sentiment: Profitability was weighed down by taxes and one-offs in Q4: net earnings fell to $171.1 million and the effective tax rate rose to 28.5% (vs. 22.9% prior year), driven by higher withholding taxes that increased tax expense by ~$10.1 million. Negative Sentiment: Segment headwinds remain: Innovia saw sales declines and incurred about $4 million of German plant start-up costs, CCL Secure profits were halved due to shipment timing, and Latin America was pressured by FX volatility. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCCL Industries Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 11 speakers on the call. Speaker 700:00:00Good morning, and welcome to CCL Industries 2025 fourth quarter and year-end investor update. Please note that there will be a question-and-answer session after the call. The moderator for today is Mr. Jeff Martin, President and Chief Executive Officer, and joining him is Mr. Sean Waszczuk, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead, gentlemen. Speaker 800:00:25Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Holly. Welcome to our fourth quarter investor call and record year-end results. I'll draw everyone's attention to page two of this presentation and remind everyone of our disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements. If you'd like more information about the risks and opportunities facing our business, please have a look at our 2024 and 2025 annual reports, particularly the sections Risks and Opportunities. Our annual and quarterly reports can be found online on the company's website, cclind.com, or on sedarplus.ca. Moving to page three. Speaker 800:01:10For the fourth quarter of 2025, sales increased 3.5%, with 0.6% organic growth, 0.2% acquisition-related growth, and 2.7% positive impact from foreign currency translation, resulting in sales of almost $1.9 billion, compared to approximately $1.8 billion in the fourth quarter of 2024. Operating income was $280.7 million for the 2025 fourth quarter, compared to $267.9 million for the fourth quarter of 2024, a 2% increase, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation. Jeff will expand on our segmented results for CCL, Avery, Checkpoint, and Innovia momentarily. Speaker 800:02:04Corporate expenses were up for the 2025 fourth quarter compared to the prior year fourth quarter, due to higher variable long-term compensation expenses. Consolidated EBITDA for the 2025 fourth quarter, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation, increased 3% to $383.6 million. Net finance expense was $17.2 million for the fourth quarter of 2025, lower than the $19.1 million for the fourth quarter of 2024. The decrease is due to higher finance income earned on the company's cash and cash equivalents. The overall effective tax rate for Q4, 2025, was 28.5%, compared to an effective tax rate of 22.9% recorded in the fourth quarter of 2024. Speaker 800:03:00This is primarily due to an increase in withholding taxes in the period, resulting in a $10.1 million increase in tax expense for the comparative quarters. The effective tax rate may change in future periods, depending on the proportion of taxable income earned in different tax jurisdictions and the timing of withholding taxes. Net earnings for the 2025 fourth quarter were $171.1 million, compared to $179.8 million for the 2024 fourth quarter. For the year ended December 31, 2025, sales and operating income increased 3% and 6%, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation, respectively. Speaker 800:03:46Net income for the 2024 year included a $78.1 million non-cash revaluation gain recorded in the second quarter of 2024, resulting in a decline in 2025 net income compared to the 2024 year. Excluding this gain, adjusted net income increased 5.3%. 2025 results included the results of three acquisitions completed since January 1st, 2024, delivering acquisition-related sales growth for the period of 0.7%, organic growth of 2.5%, and foreign currency translation was a tailwind of 2.6% to sales. Moving to the next slide, our earnings per share. Speaker 800:04:37Basic and adjusted basic earnings per Class B share were $0.99 and $1.03, respectively, for the 2025 fourth quarter, compared to $1.01 basic and $1.02 adjusted basic earnings per Class B share for the 2024 fourth quarter. Adjusted earnings per Class B share increased 1% compared to the fourth quarter of 2024. The $0.01 increase in adjusted basic EPS was primarily driven by improved operating income of $0.05, favorable currency translation adding $0.04, and reduced net finance costs adding $0.01. These gains were partially offset by lower joint venture equity earnings of $0.01 and higher income tax rate amounting to an $0.08. Moving to our next slide, free cash flow from operations. Speaker 800:05:35For the fourth quarter of 2025, free cash flow from operations was an inflow of $292.8 million, compared to an inflow of $261.7 million posted for the fourth quarter of 2024. The increase is principally due to improved net working capital, partly offset by higher net CapEx for the fourth quarter of 2025 compared to the prior year fourth quarter. For the year ended 2025, free cash flow from operation was a record $891.3 million, surpassing the $606.5 million posted for the 2024, a 47% increase. This change is primarily attributable to improved adjusted earnings and an improvement in working capital over the comparative periods. Moving to Slide six, our returns to shareholders. Speaker 800:06:31For the year ended December 31st, 2025, the company repurchased approximately 3.9 million shares for $300 million. Including the 10.3% increase in 2025 annual dividend announced in February 2025, dividends paid year to date have amounted to $223.7 million, for a total of $523.7 million returned to shareholders. It is the company's expectation that more money will be returned to shareholders in 2026, as indicated in our 2025 Q4 press release, where we announced a 12.5% increase in the 2026 annual dividend. Speaker 800:07:16Hopefully, everyone had a look at our press release this morning, where we've announced we've modified our normal course issuer bid from a discretionary buyback to an automatic share repurchase plan going forward. We're authorized to potentially spend up to $1.2 billion over the next 12 months. Moving to the next slide, our cash and debt summary. Net debt as at December 31, 2025, was $1.26 billion, a decrease of $356.9 million compared to December 31, 2024. This decrease is principally a result of lower total debt outstanding and an increase in cash and cash equivalents. With the decrease in the company's net debt, the balance sheet closed the quarter in a strong position. Speaker 800:08:08Our balance sheet leverage ratio was 0.78 times at December 31st, 2025, down from 1.08 times, reported at the end of December in 2024. Liquidity was robust, with almost $1 billion of cash on hand and $1.1 billion or $1 billion available, undrawn of credit capacity in our revolving credit facility. During the fourth quarter, the company amended its syndicated revolving credit facility, extending the maturity almost 4 years to November 2030. The company's overall finance rate was approximately 2.5% at December 31st, 2025, just below the 2.6% at December 31st, 2024. The company's balance sheet continues to be well positioned as we move into 2026. Jeff, over to you. Speaker 400:09:05Thank you, Sean. Good morning, everybody. Slide 8, capital spending highlights for the year. $441 million gross, $430 million net, mainly the disposal of the building for Innovia in Belgium. We are estimating to spend approximately $470 million in the year of 2026. Slide 9, highlights for CCL. Solid Q4 organic growth, 3.6%. Low single digit in North America, mid-single digit in Europe, double digit in Asia Pacific, particularly driven by CCL Design and including the Middle East, part offset by a modest decline in Latin America. Profitability gains are very strong at CCL Design, solid at healthcare and specialty, slightly down at home and personal care. A bit more than that in food and beverage. CCL Secure profits halved compared to a good Q4 2024 on shipment timings. Slide 10. Speaker 400:10:10I won't spend much time on this, just the earnings from our one remaining joint venture. Slide 11. Very good quarter at Avery. Very strong quarter for our direct-to-consumer business, especially in North America. Solid overall internationally, good progress in the horticultural space. Slide 12, highlights for Checkpoint. MAS had another strong profit quarter in Europe and Asia, that was weak in North America, particularly around tariff impacts from China and a slow Christmas season that many retailers reported. Apparel labeling profitability improved. That was a mixed story, somewhat RFID related, sales were still soft on the impact of Paris on the apparel supply chain, with inventory caution in abundance. Order intake improved so far in Q1, 2026. Slide 13, highlights for Innovia. Sales declined on the lower resin cost pass-through and volume decline in slow consumer markets. Speaker 400:11:23You did see good share gain progress for EcoFloat and in-mold label films predominantly made at our plant in Poland, and we incurred about $4 million on startup costs in the new German plant, although we're hoping that picture's going to change as we go through the year in 2026. Outlook commentary. Overall, the CCL segment orders continue to be stable. U.S. plants were impacted by snow-related outages in January and again this week in February. Avery is expected to be stable. ALS and the RFID business is expected to strengthen at Checkpoint, driven by the uptaking orders. Speaker 400:12:09Innovia's German plant, as I mentioned, we expect to see that improve as the year progresses, and we do have challenging comps in the first half of the year, much less challenging in the second half of the year, and foreign exchange is expected to be a modest tailwind. With that, operator, we'd like to open up the call for questions. Speaker 700:12:30Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please, while we poll for questions. Your first question for today is from Hamir Patel with CIBC Capital Markets. Speaker 500:13:09Hi, good morning. Jeff, you're pointing to stable orders so far. It looks like you delivered mid-single digit organic growth in the CCL segment in 2024 and 2025. Do you think you can continue to deliver mid-single growth in the CCL segment this year? How much might the weather issues that you mentioned in the U.S. be a drag on comps there in Q1? Speaker 400:13:39I certainly think for the year, we can expect to see growth in the low to mid-single-digit range. I think Q1 will be a little bit more challenging, some of that driven by the weather factor. It depends how quickly we can catch up on that with shipments. Organizing freight was the biggest problem. Our plants were actually running relatively normally, freight shipments were difficult to get organized. We certainly do expect to see growth in the year. I think Q1 will be one of the more difficult courses of the year, and we expect it to ease as the year progresses. Speaker 500:14:24Okay, great. Thanks, thanks, Jeff. Just the last question I had for Checkpoint, what type of RFID demand change did you see over 2025? Just given the strong demand that you're pointing to for the year ahead, what level of RFID growth are you expecting in 2026? Speaker 400:14:42The industry did not have a growth year last year overall, so RFID shipments were actually, for the total industry, below 2024 levels. We grew in 2025, and we expect to grow in 2026, hopefully in double digits, but we'll have to wait and see how things unfold as the year progresses. We have seen improvement in apparel order intake, and that's been a particular issue in the RFID space because of the abundance of caution North American retailers, in particular, took over the tariff issues. Speaker 500:15:26Okay, great. Thanks, Jeff. That's all I had. I'll turn it over. Speaker 400:15:32Thank you. Speaker 700:15:33Your next question is from Ahmed Abdullah with National Bank of Canada. Operator00:15:40Yeah, hi. Thanks for taking my question. There were some high-profile private equity roll-ups that have, you know, struggled financially, and some of us in the market obviously assume that that could be a positive for you. Are you seeing any of that kind of start materializing into, you know, RFPs or essentially better discussions on the M&A front? Any commentary or thoughts around that? Speaker 400:16:05Well, I would say all private equity roll-ups are struggling financially. I wouldn't say some, it's virtually all. I would say that's a positive for the rest of the industry in terms of the available share you can take. I wouldn't say that we are gaining more favorably than some others are, and privately owned, family-run companies also picking up some share. It's for sure helping the current situation in what's a pretty tight demand market in the consumer goods space. Operator00:16:44Okay, thanks. Have you seen any notable change in terms of M&A discussions that you've been engaging in terms of, you know, appetite for more reasonable valuations? Speaker 400:16:57Well, I would say in the M&A space, we are seeing some signs of valuations coming back from insanity to something more normal. The private lending market is still very vibrant. You know, the subprime lending, if you like, to these kind of enterprises, that still can be problematic at times in terms of valuations that are out there, but I would describe the environment as improving rather than the reverse. Operator00:17:33Okay. Just on the announcement this morning on the NCIB, are there any parameters that you were thinking about when you're executing on this in terms of, you know, opportunistic on price, or is it really trying to maintain your leverage above one and just trying to execute the full NCIB? Speaker 800:17:53Well, we've got authorization to spend much more significantly. Our objective is to be in the market every day, purchasing shares, regardless of the price. The price will dictate how much we purchase, and you'll have to see how that works out each quarter. Operator00:18:15Okay, thanks. I'll jump back in queue. Thank you. Speaker 700:18:21Your next question for today is from Sean Stewart with TD Cowen. Speaker 900:18:27Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Sean, a couple of questions for you. The tax rate in Q4, you mentioned withholding taxes was a factor there, and I appreciate the effective tax rate's a function of various regional contributions. Any broad guidance on effective 2026 tax rates you're expecting in a normal contribution environment, region to region? Speaker 400:18:57I think for 2026, we can expect a tax rate around 25% annualized. I don't think we will experience the lumpiness of withholding taxes we had in 2025 and 2026. It'll be a much more smooth year. I'd estimate around 25% for the coming year. Speaker 900:19:17Okay, thanks for that. You The strong free cash flow number in Q4 partly reflected a big working cap drawdown, I guess, some of which is seasonal, but it was a strong contribution. Any perspective on expected working cap changes into Q1 and through the year in 2026? Speaker 400:19:38We always have the better second half than the first half. I don't think there was anything particularly unusual in that last year. In 2025, we did prune CapEx on a couple of larger projects that brought capital spending down. I don't think there was anything particularly unusual in the working capital. It was well managed. We normally have better cash flow from that in the second half than we do in the first half. This year will be no different. Speaker 900:20:12Okay. All right, that's all I have for now. Thanks very much. Speaker 400:20:16No problem. Speaker 700:20:19Your next question is from Michael Glen, with Raymond James. Speaker 600:20:24Hey, good morning. Speaker 400:20:26Hey, good morning. Speaker 600:20:26Just to start, Jeff, when you talked about RFID being, you characterized the industry in 2025 as somewhat muted. Would you say that that was something related to overall economic uncertainty, or uptake rates for new RFID implementation have been lower than expected? Speaker 400:20:50I think it's a phenomena around apparel. I think there's been so much inventory portion in the apparel supply chain because of the worry about tariffs. That's put the kibosh on demand, on the manufacturing side of this apparel supply chain. You know, that can only happen for so long. Eventually, you have to have inventory, and we've certainly seen some uptick in orders in Q1. I think that was the main cause of the industry drop in the year of 2024. Sorry, 2025 over 2024. Speaker 600:21:38Is there any characterization you can provide in terms of the use case for retailers with RFID? Are the use cases and the returns still as robust for RFID? Speaker 400:21:54Absolutely, yeah. I mean, I think it's becoming a ubiquitous technology in the apparel space. Many other parts of the retail supply chain are looking at RFID applications. I think. Apparel is still the, you know, the big gorilla in on the farm, if there's issues in that industry, so it's bound to affect the overall industry. I think many applications are still growing outside of apparel. I'm sure as the year progresses, we'll see volume growth return to something like it was historically. Speaker 600:22:37Okay. Just on label, so you referenced the softer consumer environment in the press release, and we are seeing the muted overall volume numbers from some of your customers. In this type of environment, are these customers, are they pushing CCL on price at all? Are they looking for anything additional from you right now, or just trying to understand that? Speaker 400:23:06I think they're more focused on running their business and worrying about label supply. I think the big question marks for most of our big CPG customers, has been the alarming change of circumstance in some of the private equity-owned businesses that are out there. Every time you have security of supply concerns in the industry, that's favorable for us because we're the safe harbor. That's certainly, for us, offset what otherwise have been, I expect, a slower environment than we've been able to enjoy. I think the other element you have to factor in Q4, was the very strong performance of CCL Design. Obviously, there, that's not consumer packaged goods related, so that certainly trumped some of the slowness we saw in parts of the CPG space. Speaker 600:24:07Okay, that, was that electronics or automotive in-? Speaker 400:24:11Correct. Speaker 600:24:11design? Electronics, okay. Speaker 400:24:13electronics, yeah. Speaker 600:24:15Okay. thank you. Speaker 700:24:24Your next question for today is from David McFadden with ATB Capital Markets. Speaker 300:24:31Hi, thanks for taking my questions. A couple of questions. First of all, just start out on just on the balance sheets. Obviously, the leverage is quite low, and you're gonna be more active on buying back stock. Have you ever thought about just paying out a one-time special dividend just to get the leverage up to a more, I guess, reasonable level as opposed to being so low? Speaker 400:24:55We've looked at that in the past and concluded, in co-consultation with some shareholders, that buybacks is the preferred option. Speaker 300:25:04Okay. Just on Avery, just wondering, what were the real factors there that drove the strength in the direct-to-consumer side of the business? Speaker 400:25:15It's a channel that's growing, so it was, we print label product offering. Was particularly strong. That's labels for small businesses and consumers. That was particularly strong. Badges, conference badges, things like that. It's just a strong growth channel. It's a low quarter for the legacy business. You see what Avery will look like in the future once these legacy product lines eventually find their way to their final resting point. It was a low season for that part of the business, so the mix moves to more growth categories than the ones that aren't growing so much. Speaker 300:26:08Okay. Thank you. Just on RFID, just, you know, another question on that. You know, you stated that you're looking for double-digit growth in 2026. Is that optimism really being driven by increased buildup in inventory at the retail side, or there are some other factors that are driving that optimism? Speaker 400:26:30I think new applications in markets outside of apparel and the normalization of inventory to sales ratio in apparel. That ratio has certainly dipped in the last few quarters, driven by the tariff environment. Eventually, if you want to sell stuff, you have to have inventory. At some point, people have to build, and that's what we see beginning to happen. I wouldn't say it's back to normal yet, but we're encouraged by orders improving. Speaker 300:27:10Okay. Then just lastly, you know, obviously saw that, the Supreme Court struck down, the Trump administration's tariffs, and now they're engaging in other tariffs. I mean, what does this do to kind of the industry environment? Speaker 400:27:28Well, it's not a lot different from what we went through last year, so time will tell. Speaker 300:27:36Okay. All right, thank you. Speaker 700:27:42Your next question is from Stephen MacLeod with BMO Capital Markets. Speaker 1000:27:49Thank you. Good morning. Morning, guys. Speaker 400:27:52Thanks. Speaker 1000:27:52I just had a... Hey, Jeff. Just had a couple of follow-up questions just with respect to the CCL segment overall. You know, you kind of talked about the ability to continue to generate low to mid-single digit growth in 2026, and I was just wondering, you know, how that might flow into your margin expectations for 2026? Speaker 400:28:15Well, it's always mix driven, so it depends on which businesses are growing faster than others. We're not expecting or planning for margin expansion this year, so we'd expect it to see trading in the narrow range that it's traded historically. Quarter to quarter, it'll be driven by mix. Speaker 1000:28:43Right. Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. Then is there any way to quantify sort of the top-line impact from the freight disruptions you saw related to the snow impacts in January and February? Speaker 400:28:57It's too early to tell. We don't have February's numbers yet. We'll have those in next week sometime, we know Quite a few of our plants in the Northeast were obviously banged up shop on the day the snow came down Monday and Tuesday, we had two or three days similarly in the month of January. That's quite a lot compared to a normal winter. how much impact it'll have on sales, we'll have to wait and see how the quarter pans out. Speaker 1000:29:31Yeah. Okay. That's helpful. I just wanted to... I noted in the MD&A you had some specific commentary around growth in CCL Secure based on some polymer banknote demand as well as passport components. Is that a change relative to previous years? Like, is the demand environment increasing based on, you know, some of your, I guess, your visibility into your pipeline? Speaker 400:30:01Yeah. Well, I would say the banknote industry has had a better year last year than it's had in a while. We had a big boom in the Covid years, where there was a run on cash and central banks, orders like video. In the year of 2021, we had record-ever performance in the industry as a whole, followed by two or three fallow years when all that inventory had to be eaten up. Right now, the demand in the industry is in quite good shape, and we've had some wins in conversions from paper to polymer. It's, the optimism is much better than it's been for two or three years. Keep it in perspective, Steve, it's a $230-odd million business. Speaker 1000:30:58Yeah. Okay, that's helpful. Maybe just finally, just for Sean on the 2026 components. Can you just give some indication as to where you expect corporate costs to end up for 2026? Speaker 800:31:15I'd expect it to be slightly higher, few million higher than $25. Speaker 1000:31:22Okay. Okay, that's great. Okay, perfect. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Speaker 700:31:29Your next question for today is from Daryl Young with Stifel. Speaker 200:31:35Hey, good morning, everyone. Just with respect to the CapEx looks very stable into 2026, I'm just wondering if there's any larger projects that are planned for 2027 and beyond, or anything that would change your rate of free cash flow conversion, 'cause it's been exceptional? Speaker 400:31:53I think you can expect to see that number around 5, between 5%-6% of sales. It may creep up to 6 if we have a lot of projects, it may drop a bit, but it's something in the range of what you've seen of late. Speaker 200:32:13Okay, great. Then, with regards to Innovia, margins obviously took a hit from the plant start-up and maybe some noise around resin, but do you have a view on run rate margins can be in that business in the back half of 2026 and onwards, of sort of a run rate number for that coming up? Speaker 400:32:32Not really. It's a pass-through business, Darryl, so margins don't really mean anything. You have to look at absolute dollars of operating income or EBITDA. We are certainly planning for improvements this year over last year. Beyond that, I couldn't comment. Speaker 200:32:55Got it. Okay, thanks very much. Speaker 700:33:00Your next question is from Arthur Nagorny with RBC. Speaker 100:33:07Hey, good morning. Speaker 400:33:08Good morning. Speaker 100:33:08Just wanted to start with RFID. In your 10-K, you outlined plans for growth beyond apparel from the Mexico facility. Can you maybe lay out how that facility has been performing over the past few quarters and what the growth opportunities could look like for next year? Speaker 400:33:24Well, it's still in start-up mode, we're still installing equipment. That's pretty much finished at this point. The main initiative it's supporting currently is the Walmart General Merchandise initiative. Walmart's mandated to a number of its suppliers, not in the grocery channel aisles, but in the non-grocery channel aisles, what they call general merchandise, we're actively involved in that. That's been its main purpose so far, it's working on a number of other applications, we're certainly expecting that to grow as the year progresses. Speaker 100:34:10Okay. On Innovia, I think you noted customer demand as being slow. Are you seeing anything in this business line that's different from your other segments, apart from the resin price pressures? Speaker 400:34:23We've seen some good share gain from the EcoFloat films, so the sustainability films that we have for 360-degree decorated food and beverage containers. Seeing strong growth there, strong growth in in-mould films, mainly from share gain. Those are the two areas of strong growth in Innovia. Speaker 100:34:52All right, last one for me. Latin America was a bit of a soft spot this quarter in the CCL segment. Is there anything in particular that drove the decline there this quarter? Speaker 400:35:02Foreign exchange. The foreign exchange environment in Mexico and Brazil has been pretty volatile, and sometimes has impacts on imported raw materials, especially in Brazil. The volatility of foreign exchange has been the challenge in that part of the world. It can go the other way. In 2024, we had the same volatility, but it worked in our favor. Last year, it worked against us. Speaker 100:35:38Perfect. Thank you. Speaker 700:35:40Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one. We have reached the end of the question and answer session, and I will now turn the call over to Jeff Martin for closing remarks. Speaker 400:36:12Thank you, Holly, and thank you everybody for joining the call. We'll look forward to seeing you in May, where hopefully we'll have sunnier times. Thank you very much. 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There are 11 speakers on the call. Speaker 700:00:00Good morning, and welcome to CCL Industries 2025 fourth quarter and year-end investor update. Please note that there will be a question-and-answer session after the call. The moderator for today is Mr. Jeff Martin, President and Chief Executive Officer, and joining him is Mr. Sean Waszczuk, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead, gentlemen. Speaker 800:00:25Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Holly. Welcome to our fourth quarter investor call and record year-end results. I'll draw everyone's attention to page two of this presentation and remind everyone of our disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements. If you'd like more information about the risks and opportunities facing our business, please have a look at our 2024 and 2025 annual reports, particularly the sections Risks and Opportunities. Our annual and quarterly reports can be found online on the company's website, cclind.com, or on sedarplus.ca. Moving to page three. Speaker 800:01:10For the fourth quarter of 2025, sales increased 3.5%, with 0.6% organic growth, 0.2% acquisition-related growth, and 2.7% positive impact from foreign currency translation, resulting in sales of almost $1.9 billion, compared to approximately $1.8 billion in the fourth quarter of 2024. Operating income was $280.7 million for the 2025 fourth quarter, compared to $267.9 million for the fourth quarter of 2024, a 2% increase, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation. Jeff will expand on our segmented results for CCL, Avery, Checkpoint, and Innovia momentarily. Speaker 800:02:04Corporate expenses were up for the 2025 fourth quarter compared to the prior year fourth quarter, due to higher variable long-term compensation expenses. Consolidated EBITDA for the 2025 fourth quarter, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation, increased 3% to $383.6 million. Net finance expense was $17.2 million for the fourth quarter of 2025, lower than the $19.1 million for the fourth quarter of 2024. The decrease is due to higher finance income earned on the company's cash and cash equivalents. The overall effective tax rate for Q4, 2025, was 28.5%, compared to an effective tax rate of 22.9% recorded in the fourth quarter of 2024. Speaker 800:03:00This is primarily due to an increase in withholding taxes in the period, resulting in a $10.1 million increase in tax expense for the comparative quarters. The effective tax rate may change in future periods, depending on the proportion of taxable income earned in different tax jurisdictions and the timing of withholding taxes. Net earnings for the 2025 fourth quarter were $171.1 million, compared to $179.8 million for the 2024 fourth quarter. For the year ended December 31, 2025, sales and operating income increased 3% and 6%, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation, respectively. Speaker 800:03:46Net income for the 2024 year included a $78.1 million non-cash revaluation gain recorded in the second quarter of 2024, resulting in a decline in 2025 net income compared to the 2024 year. Excluding this gain, adjusted net income increased 5.3%. 2025 results included the results of three acquisitions completed since January 1st, 2024, delivering acquisition-related sales growth for the period of 0.7%, organic growth of 2.5%, and foreign currency translation was a tailwind of 2.6% to sales. Moving to the next slide, our earnings per share. Speaker 800:04:37Basic and adjusted basic earnings per Class B share were $0.99 and $1.03, respectively, for the 2025 fourth quarter, compared to $1.01 basic and $1.02 adjusted basic earnings per Class B share for the 2024 fourth quarter. Adjusted earnings per Class B share increased 1% compared to the fourth quarter of 2024. The $0.01 increase in adjusted basic EPS was primarily driven by improved operating income of $0.05, favorable currency translation adding $0.04, and reduced net finance costs adding $0.01. These gains were partially offset by lower joint venture equity earnings of $0.01 and higher income tax rate amounting to an $0.08. Moving to our next slide, free cash flow from operations. Speaker 800:05:35For the fourth quarter of 2025, free cash flow from operations was an inflow of $292.8 million, compared to an inflow of $261.7 million posted for the fourth quarter of 2024. The increase is principally due to improved net working capital, partly offset by higher net CapEx for the fourth quarter of 2025 compared to the prior year fourth quarter. For the year ended 2025, free cash flow from operation was a record $891.3 million, surpassing the $606.5 million posted for the 2024, a 47% increase. This change is primarily attributable to improved adjusted earnings and an improvement in working capital over the comparative periods. Moving to Slide six, our returns to shareholders. Speaker 800:06:31For the year ended December 31st, 2025, the company repurchased approximately 3.9 million shares for $300 million. Including the 10.3% increase in 2025 annual dividend announced in February 2025, dividends paid year to date have amounted to $223.7 million, for a total of $523.7 million returned to shareholders. It is the company's expectation that more money will be returned to shareholders in 2026, as indicated in our 2025 Q4 press release, where we announced a 12.5% increase in the 2026 annual dividend. Speaker 800:07:16Hopefully, everyone had a look at our press release this morning, where we've announced we've modified our normal course issuer bid from a discretionary buyback to an automatic share repurchase plan going forward. We're authorized to potentially spend up to $1.2 billion over the next 12 months. Moving to the next slide, our cash and debt summary. Net debt as at December 31, 2025, was $1.26 billion, a decrease of $356.9 million compared to December 31, 2024. This decrease is principally a result of lower total debt outstanding and an increase in cash and cash equivalents. With the decrease in the company's net debt, the balance sheet closed the quarter in a strong position. Speaker 800:08:08Our balance sheet leverage ratio was 0.78 times at December 31st, 2025, down from 1.08 times, reported at the end of December in 2024. Liquidity was robust, with almost $1 billion of cash on hand and $1.1 billion or $1 billion available, undrawn of credit capacity in our revolving credit facility. During the fourth quarter, the company amended its syndicated revolving credit facility, extending the maturity almost 4 years to November 2030. The company's overall finance rate was approximately 2.5% at December 31st, 2025, just below the 2.6% at December 31st, 2024. The company's balance sheet continues to be well positioned as we move into 2026. Jeff, over to you. Speaker 400:09:05Thank you, Sean. Good morning, everybody. Slide 8, capital spending highlights for the year. $441 million gross, $430 million net, mainly the disposal of the building for Innovia in Belgium. We are estimating to spend approximately $470 million in the year of 2026. Slide 9, highlights for CCL. Solid Q4 organic growth, 3.6%. Low single digit in North America, mid-single digit in Europe, double digit in Asia Pacific, particularly driven by CCL Design and including the Middle East, part offset by a modest decline in Latin America. Profitability gains are very strong at CCL Design, solid at healthcare and specialty, slightly down at home and personal care. A bit more than that in food and beverage. CCL Secure profits halved compared to a good Q4 2024 on shipment timings. Slide 10. Speaker 400:10:10I won't spend much time on this, just the earnings from our one remaining joint venture. Slide 11. Very good quarter at Avery. Very strong quarter for our direct-to-consumer business, especially in North America. Solid overall internationally, good progress in the horticultural space. Slide 12, highlights for Checkpoint. MAS had another strong profit quarter in Europe and Asia, that was weak in North America, particularly around tariff impacts from China and a slow Christmas season that many retailers reported. Apparel labeling profitability improved. That was a mixed story, somewhat RFID related, sales were still soft on the impact of Paris on the apparel supply chain, with inventory caution in abundance. Order intake improved so far in Q1, 2026. Slide 13, highlights for Innovia. Sales declined on the lower resin cost pass-through and volume decline in slow consumer markets. Speaker 400:11:23You did see good share gain progress for EcoFloat and in-mold label films predominantly made at our plant in Poland, and we incurred about $4 million on startup costs in the new German plant, although we're hoping that picture's going to change as we go through the year in 2026. Outlook commentary. Overall, the CCL segment orders continue to be stable. U.S. plants were impacted by snow-related outages in January and again this week in February. Avery is expected to be stable. ALS and the RFID business is expected to strengthen at Checkpoint, driven by the uptaking orders. Speaker 400:12:09Innovia's German plant, as I mentioned, we expect to see that improve as the year progresses, and we do have challenging comps in the first half of the year, much less challenging in the second half of the year, and foreign exchange is expected to be a modest tailwind. With that, operator, we'd like to open up the call for questions. Speaker 700:12:30Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please, while we poll for questions. Your first question for today is from Hamir Patel with CIBC Capital Markets. Speaker 500:13:09Hi, good morning. Jeff, you're pointing to stable orders so far. It looks like you delivered mid-single digit organic growth in the CCL segment in 2024 and 2025. Do you think you can continue to deliver mid-single growth in the CCL segment this year? How much might the weather issues that you mentioned in the U.S. be a drag on comps there in Q1? Speaker 400:13:39I certainly think for the year, we can expect to see growth in the low to mid-single-digit range. I think Q1 will be a little bit more challenging, some of that driven by the weather factor. It depends how quickly we can catch up on that with shipments. Organizing freight was the biggest problem. Our plants were actually running relatively normally, freight shipments were difficult to get organized. We certainly do expect to see growth in the year. I think Q1 will be one of the more difficult courses of the year, and we expect it to ease as the year progresses. Speaker 500:14:24Okay, great. Thanks, thanks, Jeff. Just the last question I had for Checkpoint, what type of RFID demand change did you see over 2025? Just given the strong demand that you're pointing to for the year ahead, what level of RFID growth are you expecting in 2026? Speaker 400:14:42The industry did not have a growth year last year overall, so RFID shipments were actually, for the total industry, below 2024 levels. We grew in 2025, and we expect to grow in 2026, hopefully in double digits, but we'll have to wait and see how things unfold as the year progresses. We have seen improvement in apparel order intake, and that's been a particular issue in the RFID space because of the abundance of caution North American retailers, in particular, took over the tariff issues. Speaker 500:15:26Okay, great. Thanks, Jeff. That's all I had. I'll turn it over. Speaker 400:15:32Thank you. Speaker 700:15:33Your next question is from Ahmed Abdullah with National Bank of Canada. Operator00:15:40Yeah, hi. Thanks for taking my question. There were some high-profile private equity roll-ups that have, you know, struggled financially, and some of us in the market obviously assume that that could be a positive for you. Are you seeing any of that kind of start materializing into, you know, RFPs or essentially better discussions on the M&A front? Any commentary or thoughts around that? Speaker 400:16:05Well, I would say all private equity roll-ups are struggling financially. I wouldn't say some, it's virtually all. I would say that's a positive for the rest of the industry in terms of the available share you can take. I wouldn't say that we are gaining more favorably than some others are, and privately owned, family-run companies also picking up some share. It's for sure helping the current situation in what's a pretty tight demand market in the consumer goods space. Operator00:16:44Okay, thanks. Have you seen any notable change in terms of M&A discussions that you've been engaging in terms of, you know, appetite for more reasonable valuations? Speaker 400:16:57Well, I would say in the M&A space, we are seeing some signs of valuations coming back from insanity to something more normal. The private lending market is still very vibrant. You know, the subprime lending, if you like, to these kind of enterprises, that still can be problematic at times in terms of valuations that are out there, but I would describe the environment as improving rather than the reverse. Operator00:17:33Okay. Just on the announcement this morning on the NCIB, are there any parameters that you were thinking about when you're executing on this in terms of, you know, opportunistic on price, or is it really trying to maintain your leverage above one and just trying to execute the full NCIB? Speaker 800:17:53Well, we've got authorization to spend much more significantly. Our objective is to be in the market every day, purchasing shares, regardless of the price. The price will dictate how much we purchase, and you'll have to see how that works out each quarter. Operator00:18:15Okay, thanks. I'll jump back in queue. Thank you. Speaker 700:18:21Your next question for today is from Sean Stewart with TD Cowen. Speaker 900:18:27Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Sean, a couple of questions for you. The tax rate in Q4, you mentioned withholding taxes was a factor there, and I appreciate the effective tax rate's a function of various regional contributions. Any broad guidance on effective 2026 tax rates you're expecting in a normal contribution environment, region to region? Speaker 400:18:57I think for 2026, we can expect a tax rate around 25% annualized. I don't think we will experience the lumpiness of withholding taxes we had in 2025 and 2026. It'll be a much more smooth year. I'd estimate around 25% for the coming year. Speaker 900:19:17Okay, thanks for that. You The strong free cash flow number in Q4 partly reflected a big working cap drawdown, I guess, some of which is seasonal, but it was a strong contribution. Any perspective on expected working cap changes into Q1 and through the year in 2026? Speaker 400:19:38We always have the better second half than the first half. I don't think there was anything particularly unusual in that last year. In 2025, we did prune CapEx on a couple of larger projects that brought capital spending down. I don't think there was anything particularly unusual in the working capital. It was well managed. We normally have better cash flow from that in the second half than we do in the first half. This year will be no different. Speaker 900:20:12Okay. All right, that's all I have for now. Thanks very much. Speaker 400:20:16No problem. Speaker 700:20:19Your next question is from Michael Glen, with Raymond James. Speaker 600:20:24Hey, good morning. Speaker 400:20:26Hey, good morning. Speaker 600:20:26Just to start, Jeff, when you talked about RFID being, you characterized the industry in 2025 as somewhat muted. Would you say that that was something related to overall economic uncertainty, or uptake rates for new RFID implementation have been lower than expected? Speaker 400:20:50I think it's a phenomena around apparel. I think there's been so much inventory portion in the apparel supply chain because of the worry about tariffs. That's put the kibosh on demand, on the manufacturing side of this apparel supply chain. You know, that can only happen for so long. Eventually, you have to have inventory, and we've certainly seen some uptick in orders in Q1. I think that was the main cause of the industry drop in the year of 2024. Sorry, 2025 over 2024. Speaker 600:21:38Is there any characterization you can provide in terms of the use case for retailers with RFID? Are the use cases and the returns still as robust for RFID? Speaker 400:21:54Absolutely, yeah. I mean, I think it's becoming a ubiquitous technology in the apparel space. Many other parts of the retail supply chain are looking at RFID applications. I think. Apparel is still the, you know, the big gorilla in on the farm, if there's issues in that industry, so it's bound to affect the overall industry. I think many applications are still growing outside of apparel. I'm sure as the year progresses, we'll see volume growth return to something like it was historically. Speaker 600:22:37Okay. Just on label, so you referenced the softer consumer environment in the press release, and we are seeing the muted overall volume numbers from some of your customers. In this type of environment, are these customers, are they pushing CCL on price at all? Are they looking for anything additional from you right now, or just trying to understand that? Speaker 400:23:06I think they're more focused on running their business and worrying about label supply. I think the big question marks for most of our big CPG customers, has been the alarming change of circumstance in some of the private equity-owned businesses that are out there. Every time you have security of supply concerns in the industry, that's favorable for us because we're the safe harbor. That's certainly, for us, offset what otherwise have been, I expect, a slower environment than we've been able to enjoy. I think the other element you have to factor in Q4, was the very strong performance of CCL Design. Obviously, there, that's not consumer packaged goods related, so that certainly trumped some of the slowness we saw in parts of the CPG space. Speaker 600:24:07Okay, that, was that electronics or automotive in-? Speaker 400:24:11Correct. Speaker 600:24:11design? Electronics, okay. Speaker 400:24:13electronics, yeah. Speaker 600:24:15Okay. thank you. Speaker 700:24:24Your next question for today is from David McFadden with ATB Capital Markets. Speaker 300:24:31Hi, thanks for taking my questions. A couple of questions. First of all, just start out on just on the balance sheets. Obviously, the leverage is quite low, and you're gonna be more active on buying back stock. Have you ever thought about just paying out a one-time special dividend just to get the leverage up to a more, I guess, reasonable level as opposed to being so low? Speaker 400:24:55We've looked at that in the past and concluded, in co-consultation with some shareholders, that buybacks is the preferred option. Speaker 300:25:04Okay. Just on Avery, just wondering, what were the real factors there that drove the strength in the direct-to-consumer side of the business? Speaker 400:25:15It's a channel that's growing, so it was, we print label product offering. Was particularly strong. That's labels for small businesses and consumers. That was particularly strong. Badges, conference badges, things like that. It's just a strong growth channel. It's a low quarter for the legacy business. You see what Avery will look like in the future once these legacy product lines eventually find their way to their final resting point. It was a low season for that part of the business, so the mix moves to more growth categories than the ones that aren't growing so much. Speaker 300:26:08Okay. Thank you. Just on RFID, just, you know, another question on that. You know, you stated that you're looking for double-digit growth in 2026. Is that optimism really being driven by increased buildup in inventory at the retail side, or there are some other factors that are driving that optimism? Speaker 400:26:30I think new applications in markets outside of apparel and the normalization of inventory to sales ratio in apparel. That ratio has certainly dipped in the last few quarters, driven by the tariff environment. Eventually, if you want to sell stuff, you have to have inventory. At some point, people have to build, and that's what we see beginning to happen. I wouldn't say it's back to normal yet, but we're encouraged by orders improving. Speaker 300:27:10Okay. Then just lastly, you know, obviously saw that, the Supreme Court struck down, the Trump administration's tariffs, and now they're engaging in other tariffs. I mean, what does this do to kind of the industry environment? Speaker 400:27:28Well, it's not a lot different from what we went through last year, so time will tell. Speaker 300:27:36Okay. All right, thank you. Speaker 700:27:42Your next question is from Stephen MacLeod with BMO Capital Markets. Speaker 1000:27:49Thank you. Good morning. Morning, guys. Speaker 400:27:52Thanks. Speaker 1000:27:52I just had a... Hey, Jeff. Just had a couple of follow-up questions just with respect to the CCL segment overall. You know, you kind of talked about the ability to continue to generate low to mid-single digit growth in 2026, and I was just wondering, you know, how that might flow into your margin expectations for 2026? Speaker 400:28:15Well, it's always mix driven, so it depends on which businesses are growing faster than others. We're not expecting or planning for margin expansion this year, so we'd expect it to see trading in the narrow range that it's traded historically. Quarter to quarter, it'll be driven by mix. Speaker 1000:28:43Right. Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. Then is there any way to quantify sort of the top-line impact from the freight disruptions you saw related to the snow impacts in January and February? Speaker 400:28:57It's too early to tell. We don't have February's numbers yet. We'll have those in next week sometime, we know Quite a few of our plants in the Northeast were obviously banged up shop on the day the snow came down Monday and Tuesday, we had two or three days similarly in the month of January. That's quite a lot compared to a normal winter. how much impact it'll have on sales, we'll have to wait and see how the quarter pans out. Speaker 1000:29:31Yeah. Okay. That's helpful. I just wanted to... I noted in the MD&A you had some specific commentary around growth in CCL Secure based on some polymer banknote demand as well as passport components. Is that a change relative to previous years? Like, is the demand environment increasing based on, you know, some of your, I guess, your visibility into your pipeline? Speaker 400:30:01Yeah. Well, I would say the banknote industry has had a better year last year than it's had in a while. We had a big boom in the Covid years, where there was a run on cash and central banks, orders like video. In the year of 2021, we had record-ever performance in the industry as a whole, followed by two or three fallow years when all that inventory had to be eaten up. Right now, the demand in the industry is in quite good shape, and we've had some wins in conversions from paper to polymer. It's, the optimism is much better than it's been for two or three years. Keep it in perspective, Steve, it's a $230-odd million business. Speaker 1000:30:58Yeah. Okay, that's helpful. Maybe just finally, just for Sean on the 2026 components. Can you just give some indication as to where you expect corporate costs to end up for 2026? Speaker 800:31:15I'd expect it to be slightly higher, few million higher than $25. Speaker 1000:31:22Okay. Okay, that's great. Okay, perfect. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Speaker 700:31:29Your next question for today is from Daryl Young with Stifel. Speaker 200:31:35Hey, good morning, everyone. Just with respect to the CapEx looks very stable into 2026, I'm just wondering if there's any larger projects that are planned for 2027 and beyond, or anything that would change your rate of free cash flow conversion, 'cause it's been exceptional? Speaker 400:31:53I think you can expect to see that number around 5, between 5%-6% of sales. It may creep up to 6 if we have a lot of projects, it may drop a bit, but it's something in the range of what you've seen of late. Speaker 200:32:13Okay, great. Then, with regards to Innovia, margins obviously took a hit from the plant start-up and maybe some noise around resin, but do you have a view on run rate margins can be in that business in the back half of 2026 and onwards, of sort of a run rate number for that coming up? Speaker 400:32:32Not really. It's a pass-through business, Darryl, so margins don't really mean anything. You have to look at absolute dollars of operating income or EBITDA. We are certainly planning for improvements this year over last year. Beyond that, I couldn't comment. Speaker 200:32:55Got it. Okay, thanks very much. Speaker 700:33:00Your next question is from Arthur Nagorny with RBC. Speaker 100:33:07Hey, good morning. Speaker 400:33:08Good morning. Speaker 100:33:08Just wanted to start with RFID. In your 10-K, you outlined plans for growth beyond apparel from the Mexico facility. Can you maybe lay out how that facility has been performing over the past few quarters and what the growth opportunities could look like for next year? Speaker 400:33:24Well, it's still in start-up mode, we're still installing equipment. That's pretty much finished at this point. The main initiative it's supporting currently is the Walmart General Merchandise initiative. Walmart's mandated to a number of its suppliers, not in the grocery channel aisles, but in the non-grocery channel aisles, what they call general merchandise, we're actively involved in that. That's been its main purpose so far, it's working on a number of other applications, we're certainly expecting that to grow as the year progresses. Speaker 100:34:10Okay. On Innovia, I think you noted customer demand as being slow. Are you seeing anything in this business line that's different from your other segments, apart from the resin price pressures? Speaker 400:34:23We've seen some good share gain from the EcoFloat films, so the sustainability films that we have for 360-degree decorated food and beverage containers. Seeing strong growth there, strong growth in in-mould films, mainly from share gain. Those are the two areas of strong growth in Innovia. Speaker 100:34:52All right, last one for me. Latin America was a bit of a soft spot this quarter in the CCL segment. Is there anything in particular that drove the decline there this quarter? Speaker 400:35:02Foreign exchange. The foreign exchange environment in Mexico and Brazil has been pretty volatile, and sometimes has impacts on imported raw materials, especially in Brazil. The volatility of foreign exchange has been the challenge in that part of the world. It can go the other way. In 2024, we had the same volatility, but it worked in our favor. Last year, it worked against us. Speaker 100:35:38Perfect. Thank you. Speaker 700:35:40Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one. We have reached the end of the question and answer session, and I will now turn the call over to Jeff Martin for closing remarks. Speaker 400:36:12Thank you, Holly, and thank you everybody for joining the call. We'll look forward to seeing you in May, where hopefully we'll have sunnier times. Thank you very much. Speaker 700:36:23This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read morePowered by