NASDAQ:IDCC InterDigital Q4 2025 Earnings Report $267.00 -2.58 (-0.96%) As of 01:52 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast InterDigital EPS ResultsActual EPS$2.12Consensus EPS $1.65Beat/MissBeat by +$0.47One Year Ago EPS$5.15InterDigital Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$158.23 millionExpected Revenue$155.57 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$2.66 millionYoY Revenue Growth-37.40%InterDigital Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date2/5/2026TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, February 5, 2026Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsInterDigital's Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Thursday, July 30, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Annual ReportSEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by InterDigital Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 5, 2026 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Reported record 2025 results with full‑year revenue of $834M, ARR up 24% to $582M, record Adjusted EBITDA of $589M and non‑GAAP EPS of $15.31, and issued 2026 guidance for another strong year (revenue $675M–$775M). Positive Sentiment: Strong licensing momentum across smartphones and CE/IoT — new smartphone deals (Vivo, Honor), Samsung extended to 2030, Xiaomi renewed, now licensing 8 of the top 10 vendors (~85% market), plus CE deals with HP and LG and over 50 CE licenses (> $4.6B total contract value since 2021). Negative Sentiment: Multi‑jurisdiction enforcement campaign against streaming services (Disney+ injunctions in Brazil and Germany) and newly launched actions vs Amazon; litigation costs were elevated (~$19M in Q4) and management expects higher litigation expense and outcome uncertainty in 2026. Positive Sentiment: Bolstered R&D and AI capabilities with the acquisition of Deep Render, leadership roles in 6G/AI standards work, and portfolio growth to over 38,000 patents/applications, reinforcing long‑term licensing strength. Neutral Sentiment: ARR dipped entering 2026 after roughly $90–$92M of expirations; management has renewed about two‑thirds and expects further renewals/new agreements to restore ARR, but Q1 guidance excludes potential new deals or arbitration outcomes. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallInterDigital Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone, and thank you for standing by. My name is Gail, and I will be your operator for today. At this time, I would like to welcome each and every one of you to the InterDigital's fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, kindly press star one again. I will now turn the call over to Raiford Garrabrant, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Raiford GarrabrantHead of Investor Relations at InterDigital00:00:39Thank you, Gail, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to InterDigital's fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. I'm Raiford Garrabrant, Head of Investor Relations for InterDigital. With me on today's call are Liren Chen, our President and CEO, and Rich Brezski, our CFO. Consistent with prior calls, we will offer some highlights about the quarter and the company, and then open the call up for questions. For additional details, you can access our earnings release and slide presentation that accompany this call on our investor relations website. Before we begin our remarks, I need to remind you that in this call we will make forward-looking statements regarding our current beliefs, plans, and expectations, which are not guarantees of future performance and are made only as of the date hereof. Raiford GarrabrantHead of Investor Relations at InterDigital00:01:32Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results and events to differ materially from results and events contemplated by such forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties include those described in the Risk Factors section of our 2025 annual report on Form 10-K and in our other SEC filings. In addition, today's presentation may contain references to non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the supplemental materials posted to the investor relations section of our website. With that taken care of, I will turn the call over to Liren. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:02:15Thank you, Raiford. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. At the beginning of 2025, we set aggressive goals to grow our company, including building on the momentum of Smartphone Licensing Program to drive revenue growth, with a special focus on increasing annualized recurring revenue and margin expansion, building a strong licensing pipeline by advancing our Video Service Licensing Program, expanding our AI research capability, and growing our standard leadership and patent portfolio at a critical stage in the development of 6G and the next-generation Video Codecs. I'm pleased to say that we have exceeded our goals on all these fronts. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:03:06We finished 2025 with a strong fourth quarter, delivering revenue and EPS above the high end of our outlook, built strong momentum across our licensing programs, completed a key acquisition to strengthen our AI research, and added new invention to our patent portfolio, reaching a new record-breaking high. This rounded off an excellent year, where revenue for the full year was $834 million, the second highest in our history. We increased our annualized recurring revenue to $582 million, up 24% year-over-year. The Adjusted EBITDA was $589 million, and our non-GAAP EPS was more than $15, both at all-time highs. Today, I'll focus on our progress throughout the year and why we believe we are well positioned to drive shareholder value in 2026. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:04:08Rich will then talk you through our fourth quarter financial performance and our 2026 outlook in more detail. In our smartphone program, we had a record-setting year in 2025. We completed signing on smartphone licensing contract that extended one of our longest customer relationship all the way to the end of 2030. We signed new deal with two more top 10 global smartphone vendors, Vivo and Honor. With these additions, we have now licensed eight of the top 10 largest smartphone manufacturers, covering about 85% of the overall market. Our new agreement with Samsung is the most valuable license in our history, continuing our win-win relationship that stretches back to the 1990s. In 2025, we also renewed agreement with Sharp and Seiko. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:05:07For the year, our smartphone revenue was just below $680 million, up 14% year-over-year to an all-time high. This strong momentum has continued into 2026, as we renewed our license with Xiaomi at the beginning of the year. We now have the three largest smartphone vendors, Apple, Samsung and Xiaomi, licensed through the end of the decade, providing a strong foundation for the company to build on future organic growth. In our CE and IoT program, we continue to make good progress. In 2025, we signed a new agreement with HP, the world's largest PC manufacturer. We now have licensed about half of the global PC market. In the fourth quarter, we signed a CE device license agreement with a significant social media company covering our video coding and Wi-Fi patents... Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:06:11At the start of 2026, we completed a new license with LG Electronics, covering the company's digital TV and computer display monitors. LG is one of the top global TV manufacturers, with strong sales in the premium part of the market. We are thrilled to add it to our CE licensing program. Including the latest deals, we have now licensed over 50 license agreement, with a total contract value of more than $4.6 billion since 2021. We also continue to make good progress in our video service program and are focused on licensing some of the world's largest streaming platforms. We believe that this space continues to represent an excellent growth opportunity for us. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:07:01Initially, our focus is on streaming services, but we also see opportunities in other video-driven platforms, where our innovation in areas like video compression is central to the efficient processing and delivery of video content and to the consumer experience overall. At the beginning of 2025, we launched our enforcement campaign against Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ streaming services. We received two preliminary injunctions in Brazil and two injunctions in Germany against Disney. In the fourth quarter, we launched enforcement proceedings against Amazon. These are important steps towards our goal of signing a long-term agreement with both companies. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:07:52Well, as I said many times before, we always prefer getting a license deal done through bilateral negotiation, but we will rigorously pursue fair value for years of investment in our research and defend the value of our intellectual property, which allows us to continue to invest in the next generation of technology. When we enforce our patent right, we have a strong track record of ultimately signing a license that's fair to both parties. The central role played in the connected world is only possible because we have built and continue to expand our research pipeline, which provide us with a strong foundation of assets to license today, and which ensure that we have a platform that drive growth cross-licensing program through 2030 and beyond. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:08:46In 2025, we placed particular emphasis on deepening our AI expertise and strengthening our leadership in developing AI-based solutions for the next generation of standardized technologies. Through our standards contributions and our technology leadership, we drive much deeper use of AI to make networks more efficient and reliable, to make video better quality and more energy efficient, and we lead in the development of advanced wireless networks to better support the rapidly growing use of AI across devices and services. Our recent acquisition of AI startup, Deep Render, which we completed in Q4, is a perfect example of how we strengthened our engineering team to lead research in AI and video compression in years to come. In our wireless research, we are already actively contributing to 6G standards development, which is due to be the first native AI wireless standard. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:09:54As AI impacting wireless and video growth, the leadership positions that we hold in multiple standards groups become even more important. In 2025, one of our senior engineers was reelected chair of a key working group within 3GPP, the standards organization which is leading the development of 6G. We also hold multiple leadership positions in AI working groups in several other standards organizations. The strength of our research and our expertise in building a world-class patent portfolio to protect our innovation are key drivers behind our business success. In 2025, our portfolio grew by 14% year-over-year and passed 38,000 granted patents and applications. Our portfolio is one of the largest across wireless, video, and AI, and more importantly, is also ranked as one of the highest quality in the world, according to several independent third-party reports. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:11:04Through 2025, our success was recognized by multiple third party, including by Newsweek, which named us one of America's greatest companies, by Fortune, which included us among America's fastest growing companies, and by Time, which recognized us as one of America's growth leaders. More recently, in another sign of our momentum, at the start of 2026, Forbes recognized us as the number one most successful mid-cap companies in America for 2026. In its analysis, Forbes looked at long-term performance, and this award reflects our success in building a foundation for the future and delivering even greater shareholder value going forward. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:11:54Before I hand it over to Rich, I want to let you know that next month, we'll be back at Mobile Congress in Barcelona, where we'll be demonstrating some of our cutting-edge technology, including how 6G will reshape connectivity, our innovation, our innovative application of AI, and on how we're leading the development of more immersive video.... We'll also present a demo alongside gaming technology pioneer Razer, continuing our track record of showcasing cutting-edge innovation alongside industry partners. Please get in touch if you'd like to meet at the show. And with that, I'll pass you over to Rich. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:12:39Thanks, Liren. Q4 was a strong finish to an excellent year as we delivered revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and non-GAAP EPS in Q4 that all exceeded the high end of our outlook. The upside was driven primarily by the new CE device license agreement with a significant social media company that Liren mentioned earlier. Total revenue of $158 million exceeded the high end of our outlook of $144-148 million, and included $13 million of catch-up revenue. ARR increased 24% year-over-year in Q4 to $582 million. Our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter of $88 million exceeded the high end of our outlook of $68-76 million, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 56%. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:13:37GAAP EPS for the quarter of $1.20 exceeded the high end of our outlook of $0.72-0.95. Non-GAAP EPS of $2.12 for the quarter exceeded the high end of our outlook of $1.38-1.63. Cash generation for the quarter was robust, with cash from operations of $63 million and free cash flow of $48 million. Building on Liren's comments, I'll highlight a few key metrics from our full year 2025 results and provide the additional perspective of how each item has improved over the last four years. First, total revenue for full year 2025 was a near record at $834 million, roughly 2x the 2021 levels of $425 million. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:14:36Next, Adjusted EBITDA for full year 2025 reached a record high of $589 million, which is almost 3x the 2021 level of $208 million. Finally, for full year 2025, we delivered record Non-GAAP EPS of $15.31 per share, more than 4x the $3.73 per share we reported in 2021. The dramatic gains in these metrics reflect both strong execution and the operating leverage in our business model. Over the past 4 years, roughly 2x revenue growth has delivered nearly 3x growth in Adjusted EBITDA and more than 4x growth in Non-GAAP EPS, all of which was driven by our recurring long-term investment in research. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:15:35Turning to our outlook, we have guided to another very strong year in 2026, with expectations for total revenue in the range of $675-775 million, Adjusted EBITDA of $381-477 million, and Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $8.74-11.84. For Q1, we expect revenue will be $194-200 million from existing contracts, including catch-up sales of $55-60 million. Based only on existing contracts, we expect an Adjusted EBITDA margin of 52%-55% and Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $2.39-$2.68. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:16:32Entering 2026, we saw a step down in ARR from year-end expirations, but we have already renewed about two-thirds of the $92 million that expired at the end of 2025, and we expect additional renewals and new agreements will drive further increases in ARR, keeping us on pace to reach $1 billion by 2030. Before I turn it back to Raiford, I want to reiterate that our quarterly guidance for Q1 2026 does not include the impact of any new agreements or arbitration results we may sign or receive over the balance of the first quarter. This is because it is harder to predict the timing of new agreements in short windows. In contrast, our full year guidance includes potential contributions from both new agreements and arbitration results. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:17:27As was the case last year, we believe we can achieve financial results within our full-year guided range through different combinations of new agreements and arbitration results. With that, I'll turn it back to Raiford. Raiford GarrabrantHead of Investor Relations at InterDigital00:17:42Thanks, Rich. Before we move to Q&A, I'd like to mention that we'll be attending a number of investor events in Q1, including the Roth Conference in Dana Point, California, and the Sidoti Conference, which is virtual. Please reach out to your representatives at those firms if you'd like to schedule a meeting. Now, we are ready to take questions. Operator00:18:04At this time, I would like to remind everyone that in order to ask a question, you may press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Also, we kindly ask to please limit your questions to one and one follow-up only, so that everyone can have the chance to engage with our speakers for today. Operator00:18:21... Your first question comes from the line of Scott Searle with Roth Capital. Your line is open. Scott SearleManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital00:18:28Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Congrats on a nice quarter and outlook. Hey, Rich, maybe just to dive in quickly on the guidance. I think I heard the number in terms of the $194-200 million in the first quarter. That's got $50-55 million of catch up. So it kind of implies that recurring has gone down, or at least the immediate outlook of contracts in hand is down sequentially from the December quarter. Now, I know that there are expirations that go along with it, but I'm wondering in the start of any year, and I believe the number is about $32 million, according to the K, as we enter 2026. Scott SearleManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital00:19:09So I'm wondering if you could provide a little bit of color, if that's the right ballpark in terms of where we're starting with recurring fees, and the outlook and the expectation of re-signing, you know, some of those contracts that I believe. I thought Xiaomi was one of them, but Samsung TV, etc., you know, what, how we should be thinking about that over the course of the next couple of quarters? Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:19:30Yeah, Scott, that's right. So, as we disclosed, you know, coming a year ago, that we had roughly $90 million of expirations at the end of 2025, and we updated that disclosure in the current K. But as noted, we did renew Xiaomi, so about 2/3 of that was covered. And then we also had the LG agreement, which is contributing recurring revenue as well. So net-net, you know, we haven't recovered all of it yet. We're still working on other renewals, and certainly look to get new agreements to drive further increases in ARR over the course of the year. Scott SearleManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital00:20:06Got you. Very helpful. And then I'll jump in on the litigation front. I'm wondering, Liren, if you could provide a little bit of color just in terms of potential timelines as it relates to Disney. You've had some positive outcomes in terms of Brazil and Germany, but is there an expected timeline of when you start to get some more, I guess, court feedback on that front? Similarly, the updated timeline with Amazon. And Rich, on the litigation cost front, I know it was elevated this past quarter. I think the number is about $19 million, which is the highest in recent memory, but given the events and the litigation that's ongoing, you know, how should we think about that going forward into the first and second quarters and the course of 2026? Thanks. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:20:55Hey, Scott. Good morning. This is Liren. So on the litigation side, we could not be happier with where we are with our Disney case. As I said in my prepared remark, we filed the litigation at beginning of 2025. We already got really positive results from Brazil and Germany. Of the four patents being decided, we essentially win on all of them regarding, you know, the being infringed, and we already got preliminary injunction and injunctions in two different countries. But that's not all, right? We have more than a dozen patents asserted, and therefore, we still have a majority of the case coming to trial in even bigger jurisdictions like America, United States as well as UPC, and those are starting in the summertime and also second half of this year. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:21:45We have to have disclosed each case in our 10-K filings, so we are confident about our case, and we wait for the outcome of those decisions. Regarding our Amazon case, as I said in my prepared remark, the assertion was frankly starting in Q4. As you might recall, Amazon actually litigated against us first, and so the case was filed on our side in Q4, so it's trailing a little bit behind on the timing, but we are asserting multiple cases in, you know, four plus jurisdictions, plus ITC. And Amazon also has devices that we're also asserting against. So we will take time to go through each one of them. Again, there's more disclosure in our 10-K filing. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:22:32Yeah, and Scott, on litigation cost, well, the first thing I'd say is you can infer from our guidance that we have some uptick in expenses going into Q1. Without being too granular, let me give you the broad strokes there. We have rev share on the New Madison agreement we signed. You know, roughly makes call almost half of the catch-up sales for Q1. And then, you know, even accounting for that, expenses are still up a little bit, and that's mostly driven by you know, an expectation for increased litigation expense, as we do expect it to be higher in Q1 and broadly for 2026. That's all factored into the 2026 full year guide as well. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:23:17And then, you know, beyond that, we continue to invest in our research and portfolio, so we have some a little bit of an increase there as well. Scott SearleManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital00:23:26Great. Thanks so much. Very helpful. I'll get back in the queue. Operator00:23:33Question comes from the line of Kevin Garrigan with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Kevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies00:23:39Yeah. Hey, good morning, guys. Congrats on the, the strong results and all the progress. Just wondering if you can talk a little bit more about the, the consumer electronic device agreement with the, the social media company. I mean, do you, do you guys see that being a, a high volume agreement? Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:23:55Yeah. Hey, Kevin, good morning. This is Liren. So of that particular agreement, it's a device agreement, and, and it's licensed our radio assets and Wi-Fi, so it's actually not a huge volume agreement, neither does it apply on the service side. So, so that's as far as I can see on that agreement. Kevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies00:24:14Okay, got it. That makes sense. And then just, you know, looking at a litigation question, I mean, what- Kevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies00:24:23... I know you guys had, as you said, a strong start to 2025, you know, positives on Disney, and you're working on Amazon. I mean, what do you guys kind of see are the biggest threats on the litigation front? Is it really just kind of the budgets that Disney and Amazon have? Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:24:42Can you clarify by threat, you mean threatening to us, threat to us? Kevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies00:24:46I guess just threat to, you know, potentially them not signing or the court cases not going your way. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:24:54Got you. Yeah, hey, Kevin. As I mentioned earlier, we are being very careful in terms of our litigation strategy. We always prefer negotiation for deal making. However, on both cases here, you know, after frankly, lengthy negotiations, we decided it's the right thing to do is for us to enforcing our patent right. As you can also probably tell in our disclosures here, it's a multi-jurisdictional enforcement campaign. In either case, we are asserting more than a dozen different patents, even though there's potential risk for each patent litigation. I mean, any litigation carries its own inherent risk. But our patents are really high quality, and some of the patent has already been battle tested regarding their validity and other issues. So we are doing really, really well. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:25:42So therefore, our whole litigation campaign is not really depend on winning every single patent assertions, but we feel very strong about the value of portfolio, and we feel that the right thing for us to do is to get, you know, fairly compensated, so we can keep on funding R&D. So that's our global enforcement campaign at the broader speaking. And you should know that in most of those cases, when we assert them, we ask both for past damages for the infringement as well as injunction if we win. Kevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies00:26:14Okay, perfect. I appreciate the color. Thank you. Operator00:26:20Your next question comes from the line of Olinda Lee with William Blair. Your line is open. Olinda LeeResearch Analyst at William Blair00:26:28Thank you. With the focus on R&D, how should we think about M&A as part of the effort to expand and deepen the patent portfolio here? Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:26:40Yeah. Hey, good morning, Olinda. This is Lauren. Yes, so we take a pretty broad approach in our R&D investment. As I said in prior calls, we believe strongly we have one of the most advanced R&D engine in the industry. We have some of the best innovators, led by our CTO, Rajesh Pankaj, which is widely recognized as one of the most brilliant mind in our industry. But having said that, though, we are also having the luxury of having resources, having the industry reputation, that we engage leading companies like Deep Render, and it allows us to fill certain gaps in our research, and frankly, allows us to accelerate some area that we are quite strong already. So we are pretty open-minded, and we have a fairly broad funnel. We are considering them, you know, as they come. Olinda LeeResearch Analyst at William Blair00:27:31Yep, that makes sense. And then, from a litigation for streaming services, that side of it, is there anything that's fundamentally different from a litigation perspective, as compared to the litigations with the smartphones and also the CEs and IoTs? Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:27:52Yeah. Hey, that's a great question. So as I said earlier, we always prefer bilateral negotiations, and I'll say one of the differences in the smartphone industry, we have been licensing for multiple decades, and we have some of the longest relationship, as I said earlier, you know, including the Samsung relationship that goes all the way to 1990s. On the streaming platform side, and this is a relatively new industry for us, even though our fundamental technology have been used by those vendors for, you know, many, many years now. But it does take a bit extra time for us to demonstrate the strength of our portfolio, to convince them, you know, this should pay a fair price. So I'll say we are on the early stage of the industry, so, so therefore, that's where I see the customer engagement takes a bit extra time. Olinda LeeResearch Analyst at William Blair00:28:44Got it. That makes sense. Thank you so much. Operator00:28:50Thank you, everyone, and that concludes our Q&A session for today. I will now turn the call over back to Liren Chen, InterDigital's CEO, for the closing remarks. Please go ahead. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:29:03Thank you, Gail. Before we close, I'd like to thank all our employees for their dedication and contributions to InterDigital, as well as our many partner and licensee, for a very strong quarter and a record-breaking 2025. Thank you to everyone who joined us today's call, and we look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter. Operator00:29:28Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining, and you may now disconnect. Have a nice day ahead, everyone, and keep safe always. Thank you.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesLiren ChenPresident and CEORaiford GarrabrantHead of Investor RelationsRichard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFOAnalystsKevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at JefferiesOlinda LeeResearch Analyst at William BlairScott SearleManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Roth CapitalPowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Annual report(10-K)Annual report InterDigital Earnings HeadlinesThere May Be Reason For Hope In InterDigital's (NASDAQ:IDCC) Disappointing EarningsMay 7, 2026 | finance.yahoo.comInterDigital, Inc. (NASDAQ:IDCC) Receives Consensus Rating of "Moderate Buy" from BrokeragesMay 7, 2026 | americanbankingnews.comRise of the… petroyuan?On February 28th, Iran installed a yuan-denominated toll at the Strait of Hormuz - the chokepoint for one in every five barrels of oil on Earth. Since then, 11.7 million barrels have moved completely outside the U.S. dollar clearing network. 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Additionally, the company contributes to international standards bodies such as the 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) and offers test and measurement solutions that support network performance verification and interoperability testing. Founded in 1972 and headquartered in Wilmington, Delaware, InterDigital maintains research and development centers across North America, Europe and Asia. Its global footprint enables collaboration with industry partners and provides access to a diverse talent pool in wireless system design, signal processing and video coding. Under the leadership of President and Chief Executive Officer William J. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone, and thank you for standing by. My name is Gail, and I will be your operator for today. At this time, I would like to welcome each and every one of you to the InterDigital's fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, kindly press star one again. I will now turn the call over to Raiford Garrabrant, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Raiford GarrabrantHead of Investor Relations at InterDigital00:00:39Thank you, Gail, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to InterDigital's fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. I'm Raiford Garrabrant, Head of Investor Relations for InterDigital. With me on today's call are Liren Chen, our President and CEO, and Rich Brezski, our CFO. Consistent with prior calls, we will offer some highlights about the quarter and the company, and then open the call up for questions. For additional details, you can access our earnings release and slide presentation that accompany this call on our investor relations website. Before we begin our remarks, I need to remind you that in this call we will make forward-looking statements regarding our current beliefs, plans, and expectations, which are not guarantees of future performance and are made only as of the date hereof. Raiford GarrabrantHead of Investor Relations at InterDigital00:01:32Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results and events to differ materially from results and events contemplated by such forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties include those described in the Risk Factors section of our 2025 annual report on Form 10-K and in our other SEC filings. In addition, today's presentation may contain references to non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the supplemental materials posted to the investor relations section of our website. With that taken care of, I will turn the call over to Liren. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:02:15Thank you, Raiford. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. At the beginning of 2025, we set aggressive goals to grow our company, including building on the momentum of Smartphone Licensing Program to drive revenue growth, with a special focus on increasing annualized recurring revenue and margin expansion, building a strong licensing pipeline by advancing our Video Service Licensing Program, expanding our AI research capability, and growing our standard leadership and patent portfolio at a critical stage in the development of 6G and the next-generation Video Codecs. I'm pleased to say that we have exceeded our goals on all these fronts. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:03:06We finished 2025 with a strong fourth quarter, delivering revenue and EPS above the high end of our outlook, built strong momentum across our licensing programs, completed a key acquisition to strengthen our AI research, and added new invention to our patent portfolio, reaching a new record-breaking high. This rounded off an excellent year, where revenue for the full year was $834 million, the second highest in our history. We increased our annualized recurring revenue to $582 million, up 24% year-over-year. The Adjusted EBITDA was $589 million, and our non-GAAP EPS was more than $15, both at all-time highs. Today, I'll focus on our progress throughout the year and why we believe we are well positioned to drive shareholder value in 2026. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:04:08Rich will then talk you through our fourth quarter financial performance and our 2026 outlook in more detail. In our smartphone program, we had a record-setting year in 2025. We completed signing on smartphone licensing contract that extended one of our longest customer relationship all the way to the end of 2030. We signed new deal with two more top 10 global smartphone vendors, Vivo and Honor. With these additions, we have now licensed eight of the top 10 largest smartphone manufacturers, covering about 85% of the overall market. Our new agreement with Samsung is the most valuable license in our history, continuing our win-win relationship that stretches back to the 1990s. In 2025, we also renewed agreement with Sharp and Seiko. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:05:07For the year, our smartphone revenue was just below $680 million, up 14% year-over-year to an all-time high. This strong momentum has continued into 2026, as we renewed our license with Xiaomi at the beginning of the year. We now have the three largest smartphone vendors, Apple, Samsung and Xiaomi, licensed through the end of the decade, providing a strong foundation for the company to build on future organic growth. In our CE and IoT program, we continue to make good progress. In 2025, we signed a new agreement with HP, the world's largest PC manufacturer. We now have licensed about half of the global PC market. In the fourth quarter, we signed a CE device license agreement with a significant social media company covering our video coding and Wi-Fi patents... Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:06:11At the start of 2026, we completed a new license with LG Electronics, covering the company's digital TV and computer display monitors. LG is one of the top global TV manufacturers, with strong sales in the premium part of the market. We are thrilled to add it to our CE licensing program. Including the latest deals, we have now licensed over 50 license agreement, with a total contract value of more than $4.6 billion since 2021. We also continue to make good progress in our video service program and are focused on licensing some of the world's largest streaming platforms. We believe that this space continues to represent an excellent growth opportunity for us. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:07:01Initially, our focus is on streaming services, but we also see opportunities in other video-driven platforms, where our innovation in areas like video compression is central to the efficient processing and delivery of video content and to the consumer experience overall. At the beginning of 2025, we launched our enforcement campaign against Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ streaming services. We received two preliminary injunctions in Brazil and two injunctions in Germany against Disney. In the fourth quarter, we launched enforcement proceedings against Amazon. These are important steps towards our goal of signing a long-term agreement with both companies. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:07:52Well, as I said many times before, we always prefer getting a license deal done through bilateral negotiation, but we will rigorously pursue fair value for years of investment in our research and defend the value of our intellectual property, which allows us to continue to invest in the next generation of technology. When we enforce our patent right, we have a strong track record of ultimately signing a license that's fair to both parties. The central role played in the connected world is only possible because we have built and continue to expand our research pipeline, which provide us with a strong foundation of assets to license today, and which ensure that we have a platform that drive growth cross-licensing program through 2030 and beyond. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:08:46In 2025, we placed particular emphasis on deepening our AI expertise and strengthening our leadership in developing AI-based solutions for the next generation of standardized technologies. Through our standards contributions and our technology leadership, we drive much deeper use of AI to make networks more efficient and reliable, to make video better quality and more energy efficient, and we lead in the development of advanced wireless networks to better support the rapidly growing use of AI across devices and services. Our recent acquisition of AI startup, Deep Render, which we completed in Q4, is a perfect example of how we strengthened our engineering team to lead research in AI and video compression in years to come. In our wireless research, we are already actively contributing to 6G standards development, which is due to be the first native AI wireless standard. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:09:54As AI impacting wireless and video growth, the leadership positions that we hold in multiple standards groups become even more important. In 2025, one of our senior engineers was reelected chair of a key working group within 3GPP, the standards organization which is leading the development of 6G. We also hold multiple leadership positions in AI working groups in several other standards organizations. The strength of our research and our expertise in building a world-class patent portfolio to protect our innovation are key drivers behind our business success. In 2025, our portfolio grew by 14% year-over-year and passed 38,000 granted patents and applications. Our portfolio is one of the largest across wireless, video, and AI, and more importantly, is also ranked as one of the highest quality in the world, according to several independent third-party reports. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:11:04Through 2025, our success was recognized by multiple third party, including by Newsweek, which named us one of America's greatest companies, by Fortune, which included us among America's fastest growing companies, and by Time, which recognized us as one of America's growth leaders. More recently, in another sign of our momentum, at the start of 2026, Forbes recognized us as the number one most successful mid-cap companies in America for 2026. In its analysis, Forbes looked at long-term performance, and this award reflects our success in building a foundation for the future and delivering even greater shareholder value going forward. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:11:54Before I hand it over to Rich, I want to let you know that next month, we'll be back at Mobile Congress in Barcelona, where we'll be demonstrating some of our cutting-edge technology, including how 6G will reshape connectivity, our innovation, our innovative application of AI, and on how we're leading the development of more immersive video.... We'll also present a demo alongside gaming technology pioneer Razer, continuing our track record of showcasing cutting-edge innovation alongside industry partners. Please get in touch if you'd like to meet at the show. And with that, I'll pass you over to Rich. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:12:39Thanks, Liren. Q4 was a strong finish to an excellent year as we delivered revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and non-GAAP EPS in Q4 that all exceeded the high end of our outlook. The upside was driven primarily by the new CE device license agreement with a significant social media company that Liren mentioned earlier. Total revenue of $158 million exceeded the high end of our outlook of $144-148 million, and included $13 million of catch-up revenue. ARR increased 24% year-over-year in Q4 to $582 million. Our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter of $88 million exceeded the high end of our outlook of $68-76 million, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 56%. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:13:37GAAP EPS for the quarter of $1.20 exceeded the high end of our outlook of $0.72-0.95. Non-GAAP EPS of $2.12 for the quarter exceeded the high end of our outlook of $1.38-1.63. Cash generation for the quarter was robust, with cash from operations of $63 million and free cash flow of $48 million. Building on Liren's comments, I'll highlight a few key metrics from our full year 2025 results and provide the additional perspective of how each item has improved over the last four years. First, total revenue for full year 2025 was a near record at $834 million, roughly 2x the 2021 levels of $425 million. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:14:36Next, Adjusted EBITDA for full year 2025 reached a record high of $589 million, which is almost 3x the 2021 level of $208 million. Finally, for full year 2025, we delivered record Non-GAAP EPS of $15.31 per share, more than 4x the $3.73 per share we reported in 2021. The dramatic gains in these metrics reflect both strong execution and the operating leverage in our business model. Over the past 4 years, roughly 2x revenue growth has delivered nearly 3x growth in Adjusted EBITDA and more than 4x growth in Non-GAAP EPS, all of which was driven by our recurring long-term investment in research. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:15:35Turning to our outlook, we have guided to another very strong year in 2026, with expectations for total revenue in the range of $675-775 million, Adjusted EBITDA of $381-477 million, and Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $8.74-11.84. For Q1, we expect revenue will be $194-200 million from existing contracts, including catch-up sales of $55-60 million. Based only on existing contracts, we expect an Adjusted EBITDA margin of 52%-55% and Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $2.39-$2.68. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:16:32Entering 2026, we saw a step down in ARR from year-end expirations, but we have already renewed about two-thirds of the $92 million that expired at the end of 2025, and we expect additional renewals and new agreements will drive further increases in ARR, keeping us on pace to reach $1 billion by 2030. Before I turn it back to Raiford, I want to reiterate that our quarterly guidance for Q1 2026 does not include the impact of any new agreements or arbitration results we may sign or receive over the balance of the first quarter. This is because it is harder to predict the timing of new agreements in short windows. In contrast, our full year guidance includes potential contributions from both new agreements and arbitration results. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:17:27As was the case last year, we believe we can achieve financial results within our full-year guided range through different combinations of new agreements and arbitration results. With that, I'll turn it back to Raiford. Raiford GarrabrantHead of Investor Relations at InterDigital00:17:42Thanks, Rich. Before we move to Q&A, I'd like to mention that we'll be attending a number of investor events in Q1, including the Roth Conference in Dana Point, California, and the Sidoti Conference, which is virtual. Please reach out to your representatives at those firms if you'd like to schedule a meeting. Now, we are ready to take questions. Operator00:18:04At this time, I would like to remind everyone that in order to ask a question, you may press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Also, we kindly ask to please limit your questions to one and one follow-up only, so that everyone can have the chance to engage with our speakers for today. Operator00:18:21... Your first question comes from the line of Scott Searle with Roth Capital. Your line is open. Scott SearleManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital00:18:28Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Congrats on a nice quarter and outlook. Hey, Rich, maybe just to dive in quickly on the guidance. I think I heard the number in terms of the $194-200 million in the first quarter. That's got $50-55 million of catch up. So it kind of implies that recurring has gone down, or at least the immediate outlook of contracts in hand is down sequentially from the December quarter. Now, I know that there are expirations that go along with it, but I'm wondering in the start of any year, and I believe the number is about $32 million, according to the K, as we enter 2026. Scott SearleManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital00:19:09So I'm wondering if you could provide a little bit of color, if that's the right ballpark in terms of where we're starting with recurring fees, and the outlook and the expectation of re-signing, you know, some of those contracts that I believe. I thought Xiaomi was one of them, but Samsung TV, etc., you know, what, how we should be thinking about that over the course of the next couple of quarters? Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:19:30Yeah, Scott, that's right. So, as we disclosed, you know, coming a year ago, that we had roughly $90 million of expirations at the end of 2025, and we updated that disclosure in the current K. But as noted, we did renew Xiaomi, so about 2/3 of that was covered. And then we also had the LG agreement, which is contributing recurring revenue as well. So net-net, you know, we haven't recovered all of it yet. We're still working on other renewals, and certainly look to get new agreements to drive further increases in ARR over the course of the year. Scott SearleManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital00:20:06Got you. Very helpful. And then I'll jump in on the litigation front. I'm wondering, Liren, if you could provide a little bit of color just in terms of potential timelines as it relates to Disney. You've had some positive outcomes in terms of Brazil and Germany, but is there an expected timeline of when you start to get some more, I guess, court feedback on that front? Similarly, the updated timeline with Amazon. And Rich, on the litigation cost front, I know it was elevated this past quarter. I think the number is about $19 million, which is the highest in recent memory, but given the events and the litigation that's ongoing, you know, how should we think about that going forward into the first and second quarters and the course of 2026? Thanks. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:20:55Hey, Scott. Good morning. This is Liren. So on the litigation side, we could not be happier with where we are with our Disney case. As I said in my prepared remark, we filed the litigation at beginning of 2025. We already got really positive results from Brazil and Germany. Of the four patents being decided, we essentially win on all of them regarding, you know, the being infringed, and we already got preliminary injunction and injunctions in two different countries. But that's not all, right? We have more than a dozen patents asserted, and therefore, we still have a majority of the case coming to trial in even bigger jurisdictions like America, United States as well as UPC, and those are starting in the summertime and also second half of this year. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:21:45We have to have disclosed each case in our 10-K filings, so we are confident about our case, and we wait for the outcome of those decisions. Regarding our Amazon case, as I said in my prepared remark, the assertion was frankly starting in Q4. As you might recall, Amazon actually litigated against us first, and so the case was filed on our side in Q4, so it's trailing a little bit behind on the timing, but we are asserting multiple cases in, you know, four plus jurisdictions, plus ITC. And Amazon also has devices that we're also asserting against. So we will take time to go through each one of them. Again, there's more disclosure in our 10-K filing. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:22:32Yeah, and Scott, on litigation cost, well, the first thing I'd say is you can infer from our guidance that we have some uptick in expenses going into Q1. Without being too granular, let me give you the broad strokes there. We have rev share on the New Madison agreement we signed. You know, roughly makes call almost half of the catch-up sales for Q1. And then, you know, even accounting for that, expenses are still up a little bit, and that's mostly driven by you know, an expectation for increased litigation expense, as we do expect it to be higher in Q1 and broadly for 2026. That's all factored into the 2026 full year guide as well. Richard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFO at InterDigital00:23:17And then, you know, beyond that, we continue to invest in our research and portfolio, so we have some a little bit of an increase there as well. Scott SearleManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital00:23:26Great. Thanks so much. Very helpful. I'll get back in the queue. Operator00:23:33Question comes from the line of Kevin Garrigan with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Kevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies00:23:39Yeah. Hey, good morning, guys. Congrats on the, the strong results and all the progress. Just wondering if you can talk a little bit more about the, the consumer electronic device agreement with the, the social media company. I mean, do you, do you guys see that being a, a high volume agreement? Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:23:55Yeah. Hey, Kevin, good morning. This is Liren. So of that particular agreement, it's a device agreement, and, and it's licensed our radio assets and Wi-Fi, so it's actually not a huge volume agreement, neither does it apply on the service side. So, so that's as far as I can see on that agreement. Kevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies00:24:14Okay, got it. That makes sense. And then just, you know, looking at a litigation question, I mean, what- Kevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies00:24:23... I know you guys had, as you said, a strong start to 2025, you know, positives on Disney, and you're working on Amazon. I mean, what do you guys kind of see are the biggest threats on the litigation front? Is it really just kind of the budgets that Disney and Amazon have? Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:24:42Can you clarify by threat, you mean threatening to us, threat to us? Kevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies00:24:46I guess just threat to, you know, potentially them not signing or the court cases not going your way. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:24:54Got you. Yeah, hey, Kevin. As I mentioned earlier, we are being very careful in terms of our litigation strategy. We always prefer negotiation for deal making. However, on both cases here, you know, after frankly, lengthy negotiations, we decided it's the right thing to do is for us to enforcing our patent right. As you can also probably tell in our disclosures here, it's a multi-jurisdictional enforcement campaign. In either case, we are asserting more than a dozen different patents, even though there's potential risk for each patent litigation. I mean, any litigation carries its own inherent risk. But our patents are really high quality, and some of the patent has already been battle tested regarding their validity and other issues. So we are doing really, really well. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:25:42So therefore, our whole litigation campaign is not really depend on winning every single patent assertions, but we feel very strong about the value of portfolio, and we feel that the right thing for us to do is to get, you know, fairly compensated, so we can keep on funding R&D. So that's our global enforcement campaign at the broader speaking. And you should know that in most of those cases, when we assert them, we ask both for past damages for the infringement as well as injunction if we win. Kevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at Jefferies00:26:14Okay, perfect. I appreciate the color. Thank you. Operator00:26:20Your next question comes from the line of Olinda Lee with William Blair. Your line is open. Olinda LeeResearch Analyst at William Blair00:26:28Thank you. With the focus on R&D, how should we think about M&A as part of the effort to expand and deepen the patent portfolio here? Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:26:40Yeah. Hey, good morning, Olinda. This is Lauren. Yes, so we take a pretty broad approach in our R&D investment. As I said in prior calls, we believe strongly we have one of the most advanced R&D engine in the industry. We have some of the best innovators, led by our CTO, Rajesh Pankaj, which is widely recognized as one of the most brilliant mind in our industry. But having said that, though, we are also having the luxury of having resources, having the industry reputation, that we engage leading companies like Deep Render, and it allows us to fill certain gaps in our research, and frankly, allows us to accelerate some area that we are quite strong already. So we are pretty open-minded, and we have a fairly broad funnel. We are considering them, you know, as they come. Olinda LeeResearch Analyst at William Blair00:27:31Yep, that makes sense. And then, from a litigation for streaming services, that side of it, is there anything that's fundamentally different from a litigation perspective, as compared to the litigations with the smartphones and also the CEs and IoTs? Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:27:52Yeah. Hey, that's a great question. So as I said earlier, we always prefer bilateral negotiations, and I'll say one of the differences in the smartphone industry, we have been licensing for multiple decades, and we have some of the longest relationship, as I said earlier, you know, including the Samsung relationship that goes all the way to 1990s. On the streaming platform side, and this is a relatively new industry for us, even though our fundamental technology have been used by those vendors for, you know, many, many years now. But it does take a bit extra time for us to demonstrate the strength of our portfolio, to convince them, you know, this should pay a fair price. So I'll say we are on the early stage of the industry, so, so therefore, that's where I see the customer engagement takes a bit extra time. Olinda LeeResearch Analyst at William Blair00:28:44Got it. That makes sense. Thank you so much. Operator00:28:50Thank you, everyone, and that concludes our Q&A session for today. I will now turn the call over back to Liren Chen, InterDigital's CEO, for the closing remarks. Please go ahead. Liren ChenPresident and CEO at InterDigital00:29:03Thank you, Gail. Before we close, I'd like to thank all our employees for their dedication and contributions to InterDigital, as well as our many partner and licensee, for a very strong quarter and a record-breaking 2025. Thank you to everyone who joined us today's call, and we look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter. Operator00:29:28Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining, and you may now disconnect. Have a nice day ahead, everyone, and keep safe always. Thank you.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesLiren ChenPresident and CEORaiford GarrabrantHead of Investor RelationsRichard BrezskiEVP, Treasurer, and CFOAnalystsKevin GarriganSVP and Equity Research Analyst at JefferiesOlinda LeeResearch Analyst at William BlairScott SearleManaging Director and Senior Research Analyst at Roth CapitalPowered by