Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: The company has a focused niche portfolio of approximately $411 million across 26 borrowers with a high weighted average yield to maturity of 16.3% and a large opportunity pipeline (~$616 million), which management says gives them deal visibility and sourcing advantage.
  • Positive Sentiment: Portfolio structure is heavily protected from rate declines—37.6% fixed, 62.4% floating with prime-rate floors—leaving only 9% of the portfolio exposed to further rate drops; management estimates a 100 bp decline would cut NII by only ~$14,000 and a 200 bp decline could actually boost NII.
  • Negative Sentiment: Liquidity is constrained relative to the pipeline—total leverage was 32% of book equity, ~$49M drawn on the revolver and term loan each, roughly <$strong>50M of total liquidity available—management said limited available cash could restrict how much of the large pipeline they can fund quickly.
  • Negative Sentiment: Credit stress persists in spots—management highlighted a workout (loan #9) that collected ~$1.7M of past-due interest and was upgraded but remains non‑accrual, and two new non-accruals in Arizona tied to the same sponsor; CECL reserves are ~$5.1M (1.23% of loans), with weighted real-estate coverage ~1.2x and weighted senior LTV ~44.2%.
  • Positive Sentiment: Shareholder distributions remain a focus—Q4 distributable earnings per share were ~$0.44, the board declared a $0.47 Q4 dividend, and management plans to target a 90–100% payout of distributable earnings for 2026 (with a possible special dividend if needed for REIT taxable income).
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Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance Q4 2025
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Operator

Day and welcome to the Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance, Inc fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Tripp Sullivan of SCR Partners. Tripp, please go ahead.

Tripp Sullivan
President at SCR Partners

Thank you, Bailey. Good morning. Welcome to the Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance conference call to review the company's results. On the call today will be Peter Sack, Co-Chief Executive Officer, David Kite, President and Chief Operating Officer, and Phil Silverman, Chief Financial Officer. Our results were released this morning in our earnings press release, which can be found on the investor relations section of our website, along with our supplemental filed with the SEC. A live audio webcast of this call is being made available today. For those who listen to the replay of this webcast, we remind you that the remarks made herein today will not be updated subsequent to this call.

Tripp Sullivan
President at SCR Partners

During this call, certain comments and statements we make may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning prescribed by the securities laws, including statements related to the future performance of our portfolio, our pipeline of potential loans and other investments, future dividends, and financing activity. All forward-looking statements represent Chicago Atlantic's judgment as of the date of this conference call and are subject to risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. Investors are urged to carefully review various disclosures made by the company, including the risk and other information disclosed in the company's filings with the SEC. We will also discuss certain non-GAAP measures, including but not limited to distributable earnings. Definitions of these non-GAAP measures and reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures are included in our filings with the SEC. I'll now turn the call over to Peter Sack.

Tripp Sullivan
President at SCR Partners

Please go ahead.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Thank you, Tripp, and good morning, everyone. Chicago Atlantic operates within a unique intersection of real estate, credit, and the emerging sector of the U.S. cannabis industry. Our thesis is simple. We apply best in class sector expertise, highly developed relationship-based sourcing capabilities, and fundamental credit and real estate investment principles to make debt investments in an industry with limited sources of debt capital. We take advantage of limited lending competition to structure first, what we believe to be differentiated downside risk of senior secured positions, and second, a highly outsized return profile relative to the broader credit and real estate lending portfolios. Most lending companies are limited in their ability to invest in underwriting and originations expertise in any one particular sector. They become masters of none and they are price takers, investing in whatever the next investment banker or private equity sponsor offers.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Because we focus on one sector with limited lending competition, we have the luxury of investing in a highly respected originations team made up of the best known leaders in our space. We maintain an outsized underwriting, real estate, and analytics team that specializes solely in this unique niche of cannabis. We directly originate and arrange nearly all of our investments. We maintain a team of over 100 professionals overseeing only $2.3 billion in capital under management because we know that with limited lending competition, our investment in expertise and execution capabilities translates directly into alpha generation for our investors.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Our discipline, our focus and institutional investment platform built for the long run is reflected in the execution of Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance in 2025 and already nearly three months into 2026, we're exceeding our expectations and more enthusiastic than ever about our opportunity set for the coming year. Thank you for indulging me in this reprisal of the fundamentals of Chicago Atlantic's differentiation. It's important to reinforce this in the context of the investor community's recent reconsideration of risk and reward in the broader private credit ecosystem. Our portfolio has extremely limited overlap with other private credit markets. The drivers of current private credit market pressure simply are not relevant to us. We have no exposure to software, receivables factoring, nor recent examples of fraud and syndicated facilities.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Our sector has not experienced an over-allocation of capital, leading to compressed yields that is happening across other sectors of private credit. Our strategy is built on a disciplined focus on credit and collateral. We work collaboratively with our borrowers to create value, and our work is executed by a team of originators and underwriters with deep industry and rigorous risk management expertise. I spoke last quarter about how optimistic we are about our current environment. The pipeline remains strong and currently stands at $616 million. We continue to get first looks of the largest opportunities within the cannabis sector, but we're also leading when it comes to creative solutions for our borrowers as well. For example, during the fourth quarter, the Chicago Atlantic platform closed on a credit facility to support the largest cannabis ESOP completed to date.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

We've talked about ESOPs as a compelling opportunity, and we believe this loan highlights our capabilities to trailblaze, bringing financial solutions common in broader lending markets to the more nascent cannabis lending market. Over recent months, there's been positive momentum in cannabis policy, with bills introduced in several states to change the legality of the product. In December 2025, President Trump signed an executive order directing his administration to reclassify cannabis from a Schedule I to a Schedule III regulated product. While this is not federal legalization, rescheduling would represent the most significant federal policy change in years. We highlight on a slide in this quarter's supplemental how this sets the stage for improved industry economics without opening the door for increased lending competition. We believe Chicago Atlantic is well-positioned to benefit from these developments, but the success of our strategy is not dependent on these changes.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

As we mentioned in previous quarters, we underwrite every investment assuming no regulatory-driven credit improvements. We continue to create a differentiated and low-levered risk return profile that is insulated from cannabis equity volatility and outperforms our industry-agnostic mortgage REIT peers. As David will break down for you in a moment, because we have structured our floating rate loans with high interest rate floors and no caps, only 9% of our total loan portfolio is exposed to further rate declines based on the prevailing prime rate. That discipline provides a meaningful measure of protection to the portfolio. We are focused on outperforming and delivering a consistent yield to our shareholders despite volatile industry sentiment. The pipeline is expanding, and we have already established strong momentum to kick off 2026. David, why don't you take it from here?

David Kite
David Kite
President and COO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Thank you, Peter. As of December 31, our loan portfolio principal totaled approximately $411 million across 26 portfolio companies with a weighted average yield to maturity of 16.3%, compared with 16.5% for the third quarter. Gross originations during the quarter were approximately $19 million of principal funding, of which $5 million was advanced to a new borrower and $14 million was advanced to existing borrowers. As anticipated, all the loans that had maturities at the end of 2025 were extended with new contractual maturities in 2026. During the quarter, we made significant progress on loan number nine. We funded an advance for the borrower to acquire three additional dispensaries in Pennsylvania, bringing their total to six operating dispensaries.

David Kite
David Kite
President and COO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

In connection with this advance, the company received all past due interest from the borrower, which brought the loan current as of December 31, 2025. We expect the six dispensaries to provide sufficient free cash flow to enable the borrower to remain current on its outstanding indebtedness and applicable covenants. Despite being brought current, which resulted in a risk rating upgrade from four to three, we maintained the loan on non-accrual status as of December 31, 2025. We expect to restore the loan to accrual status once the operator demonstrates sustained performance and continued timely debt service payments. As of December 31, 2025, our portfolio consisted of 37.6% fixed-rate loans and 62.4% floating-rate loans. The floating rate portion is primarily benchmarked to the prime rate.

David Kite
David Kite
President and COO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Following December's 25 basis point rate reduction, which brought the prime rate to 6.75%, only 9% of our portfolio remains exposed to further rate decline. The remaining 91% is either fixed rate or protected by prime rate floors of 6.75% or higher. Importantly, our floating rate loans are not exposed to interest rate caps. This structural advantage, combined with our rate floor protections, positions our portfolio favorably compared to most mortgage REITs. We've included a slide in our supplemental presentation that highlights how well we have safeguarded our portfolio from interest rate volatility. You'll note that based on the current portfolio as of December 31, a hypothetical 100 basis point decline in benchmark rates is estimated to result in a mere $14,000 decrease to net investment income.

David Kite
David Kite
President and COO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

A 200 basis point decline would actually result in an increase to net investment income, all else remaining equal. This is primarily the result of minimal exposure to rate declines within our asset portfolio, offset by the positive impact of interest rate expense declines resulting from a revolver loan bearing a prime rate floor of 3.25%. Should rates begin to move back up, then of course, we should expect to see material gains in net investment income. Total leverage equaled 32% of book equity at December 31, compared with 33% as of September 30. As of December 31, we had $49.1 million outstanding on our senior secured revolving credit facility and $49.3 million outstanding on our unsecured term loan.

David Kite
David Kite
President and COO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

As of today, we have approximately $53 million available on the senior credit facility and total liquidity, net of estimated liabilities of approximately $50 million. I'll now turn it over to Phil.

Phil Silverman
Phil Silverman
CFO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Thank you, David. Our net interest income of $14.2 million for the fourth quarter represented a 4% increase from $13.7 million during the third quarter of 2025. The increase was primarily attributable to the collection of past due on accrued interest on loan number nine, totaling $1.7 million, which was recognized upon receipt. This was offset by the impact of the multiple benchmark prime rate cuts in the fourth quarter, totaling 50 basis points, 25 each in October and December 2025. Total interest expense, including non-cash amortization of financing costs for the fourth quarter, was approximately $1.8 million, an increase from $1.6 million in the third quarter. The weighted average borrowings on our revolving loan increased to $33.6 million compared to $14 million during the third quarter.

Phil Silverman
Phil Silverman
CFO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Our CECL reserve on our loans held for investment as of December 31 was approximately $5.1 million. On a relative size basis, our reserve for expected credit losses represents 1.23% of our outstanding principal of our loans held for investment. The reserve remained consistent with prior quarter. On a weighted average basis, our portfolio maintains strong real estate coverage of 1.2x. Our loans are secured by various forms of other collateral in addition to real estate, including UCC-1 all asset liens on our borrower credit parties. These other collateral types contribute to overall credit quality and lower loan to value ratios.

Phil Silverman
Phil Silverman
CFO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Our portfolio has a loan to enterprise value ratio on a weighted average basis of 44.2% as of December 31, 2025, calculated as senior indebtedness of the borrower divided by the fair value of total collateral to REIT. Distributable earnings per weighted average share on a basic and fully diluted basis were approximately $0.44 and $0.43 for the fourth quarter, and $1.92 and $1.88, respectively, for the year. In January, we distributed the fourth quarter dividend of $0.47 per common share declared by our board in December. Since inception, we've distributed $8.47 per common share in dividends, which represents an annualized yield on cost of approximately 12.4% when measured against our IPO price.

Phil Silverman
Phil Silverman
CFO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Our book value per common share outstanding was $14.60 as of December 31, 2025, and there were approximately 21.5 million common shares outstanding on a fully diluted basis as of such date. During the subsequent period from January 1, 2026 through today, the company has advanced new gross loan principal of approximately $51.1 million, comprised of $16.2 million advanced to one new borrower and $34.9 million to existing borrowers on delayed draw and revolving credit facilities. Additionally, the company received a total of $40.4 million in loan repayments, comprised of $3.1 million of scheduled amortization payments and $37.3 million in early prepayments, which included the full repayment of loan number one and loan number 27.

Phil Silverman
Phil Silverman
CFO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

We expect to continue to maintain dividend payout ratio based on our basic distributable earnings per share of 90%-100% for the 2026 tax year. If our taxable income requires additional distributions in excess of the regular quarterly dividend to meet our taxable income requirements, we expect to meet that with a special dividend in the fourth quarter. Operator, we're now ready to take questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on a touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Aaron Grey with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.

Aaron Grey
Aaron Grey
Managing Director and Head of Consumer at Alliance Global Partners

Hi, good morning, and thank you for the questions. First question. You know, it's encouraging to hear the commentary on demand for growth capital that you're seeing. Just in terms of the pipeline, can you provide maybe some general line of sight as to, you know, when some of those originations might come to fruition? How many of those are maybe at the later stage of being finalized? Secondly, can you provide comfort in being able to potentially deliver another year of net portfolio growth? Thanks.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Mm-hmm. Aaron, thank you. We are still targeting net portfolio growth for this year. I think we have a fairly high degree of confidence in our ability to execute on the pipeline. I think it's helpful to put in context that as of March twelfth, we have about $50 million of liquidity available. This frankly just isn't as much as we would like relative to the pipeline that we have. That amount of liquidity can be deployed relatively quickly. The bigger unknown at this point earlier in the year is what repayments in the portfolio will occur between now and December thirty-first, and that's difficult to forecast.

Aaron Grey
Aaron Grey
Managing Director and Head of Consumer at Alliance Global Partners

Appreciate the color, Peter, and can understand some of the uncertainty in terms of, you know, the repayments. Maybe a second question, you know, outside of that. Can you talk about maybe the outlook in terms of current yields for potential deals in the pipeline? Has rescheduling, you know, been coming into play on, you know, rate negotiations, the underwriting process? Or has that largely been, you know, not quite taking rescheduling into account yet? Thanks. Hi, can you guys still hear me here?

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Oh, apologies. We are-

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

The rescheduling has driven increases in demand for debt capital that we're seeing in the market, operators accelerating investment decisions and accelerating merger and acquisition decisions. It has not changed the conversation around pricing, nor has it changed how we underwrite and evaluate risk. That's largely due to the fact that the announcement of rescheduling and even the execution of rescheduling has yet to lead to new lenders entering the market from our vantage point that we sit at.

Aaron Grey
Aaron Grey
Managing Director and Head of Consumer at Alliance Global Partners

Okay, great. Yeah, increased demand, but you're not seeing more companies come to the market. Okay. That's helpful color there, Peter. Thanks very much. I'll jump back in the queue.

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Muller with Citizens Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Chris Muller
Director of Equity Research at Citizens Capital Markets

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question, and I guess I'll stay on a similar line of questioning here. Nice slide you guys have on the regulatory reform in the deck there. On the point about not seeing increased competition, is that as we sit today or does that assume Schedule III gets finalized? Maybe a second layer to that question, what do you think would increase competition in the space?

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Well, as we sit today, we've not seen new lenders enter the market due to the follow-on of Trump's announcement of rescheduling. We also have not heard of lenders or significant lenders sitting on the sidelines and saying, "Well, when rescheduling happens, we're ready to deploy X amount of capital, and we're gathering opportunities to be able to do that." We have not observed that in the market. What do I think would be required to support a large influx of new lenders into the cannabis market? I think there's a series of reforms that would be very helpful, and we in general look forward to that. There's, I think, one, full legalization would open up cannabis would open up really the broader way of private credit market market participants to enter.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

A regulatory framework under which existing cannabis operators could produce, market, and distribute cannabis as a Schedule III substance perhaps would do that. I think it would be helpful to have cannabis companies listed on New York Stock Exchange and Nasdaq. It would be helpful to have the broader pieces of the financial ecosystem open to servicing cannabis companies. That includes major accounting firms, major law firms, major custodians. There's a lot of, I think, little steps that individually don't seem like big hurdles, but are very important for opening up access to capital markets that are required and that I think still are going to take a long time to evolve in terms of how broader participants in our financial system approach and view cannabis as a market.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

That process perhaps hasn't even begun yet.

Chris Muller
Director of Equity Research at Citizens Capital Markets

Got it. It's very helpful. I guess changing gears a little bit, it looks like there's two new non-accrual loans. Both of them are in Arizona. Are these loans to the same sponsor, or is it something market specific in Arizona going on there?

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

They are loans related to the same sponsor. Arizona's having a challenging pricing environment that our borrower in this case is navigating in close collaboration with us.

Chris Muller
Director of Equity Research at Citizens Capital Markets

Got it. Appreciate you guys taking the questions today.

Operator

Our next question comes from Pablo Zuanic with Zuanic & Associates. Please go ahead.

Pablo Zuanic
Founder and Managing Partner at Zuanic & Associates

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Can we just go back to loan number nine? I know you gave a little color there, but I'm just trying to understand. I think the principal, the combined principal end of September was $19 million and now it's $29 million. You decided to lend more money to a borrower that's in trouble, right? I'm just trying to understand the logic of that. If you can provide more color in terms of what's going on with that borrower, please. Thank you. I know you gave some color in the call. Thanks.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Absolutely. You know, I think this is a loan number nine has been a good example of really the full toolkit that Chicago Atlantic can bring to the table in addressing challenging credit situations and challenging workout and restructuring opportunities. In this position, we completed a full foreclosure on the assets and change of control of the assets in 2025. Over the course of a recapitalization of the business. Over the course of 2025, the business reorganized its operations, improved its cash flow and revenue significantly. At the end of 2025, Chicago Atlantic supported the company's acquisition of additional dispensaries within its market. It did so both with capital from Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance, Inc

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Additional junior capital behind Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance, Inc. It dramatically changed the operating profile of the business, the cash flow of the business, and it permits the company to become current on all of its interest in 2025. We hold this loan in, you know, I think it, as we sit at the end of December 31, 2025, it's in a little bit of a gray area from an accounting position on how we need to present this loan. I say gray area because as of December 31, 2025, the loan is current on all interest, but we've chosen not to formally take it off non-accrual.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

I think that's a high level of conservatism in how we view the portfolio and how we present the portfolio, which I think is important in this environment of private credit investor skepticism. I think that those series of events make us confident or hopeful that we'll be revisiting that non-accrual status shortly in 2026.

Phil Silverman
Phil Silverman
CFO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Yeah. Peter, Sorry, if I could just chime in as well, Pablo. Just to be clear, despite the loan being on non-accrual, the borrower made their January and February payments, so we recognize those as income on a cash basis. Despite the loan not being accrued, you know, to Peter's point and for the reasons though, we still are recognizing income as it's received in cash.

Pablo Zuanic
Founder and Managing Partner at Zuanic & Associates

Right. Thank you. Just moving on to the early repayments on loan number one and loan number 27. You know, when those things happen, I try to think in terms of, well, it could have been extended, or maybe you did not want to extend it because of credit issues or maybe that borrower had better alternatives out there. I don't know if you can give some color in terms of those two early repayments.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Loan number one was refinanced with a new credit facility in which Chicago Atlantic participated. We did not extend the loan, but we executed or we participated and led a refinancing of the existing loan. Excuse me. Number 27, the loan did pay off, and we opted not to pursue a refinancing for a number of decisions, some pricing, some credit related. I think it's a healthy mix that you should expect to see that some loans will be refinanced, some loans will be extended. In the case of a loan being refinanced and Chicago Atlantic not leading to refinancing, it doesn't mean that we've that the relationship is over and that there won't be opportunities in the future.

Pablo Zuanic
Founder and Managing Partner at Zuanic & Associates

Thank you. Just a bigger picture. I was looking at the press release on the third quarter conference call. I think back then you talked about a pipeline of $450 million, and now it's $660 million, right? Obviously up $200 million. On the other hand you said, you know, no changes in pricing, no changes in terms of discussions. I'm just trying to reconcile the fact that the pipeline increased, you know, by 50%. On the other hand, you're saying you're not changing the way you're evaluating risk based on rescheduling potential, and that there's no changes in pricing. I'm just trying to connect the two.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Yep. You know, pipeline is a proxy for opportunity set. There is within that pipeline, there's a broad range of risk reward of opportunities. As our capital becomes particularly constrained, and perhaps this is where you're going with your question, as our capital becomes constrained relative to the opportunity set, you obviously will see a forced change in selection and a forced change in the opportunities that we can fund and the risk reward that we're funding. I think it's. We're constantly evaluating what is the pricing that we can extract, and how can we manage the levers of risk for the advantage of the funds.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

What I think I wanted to address more specifically is that rescheduling has not led us to lower the bar of underwriting, to decrease our credit underwriting standards, to increase. It's not leading us to increase the leverage at which we're willing to lend as another example. It's not leading us to decrease the pricing at which we're deploying capital or are willing. It's not changing our willingness to deploy capital at lower levels. I hope that gives you some clarity on our mindset as we approach what is an evolving market opportunity.

Pablo Zuanic
Founder and Managing Partner at Zuanic & Associates

Right. Thank you. That's very helpful. One last one if I may. You know, obviously, thank you for all the color you gave on the slide deck about, you know, the reform outlook and the positive impact for the industry. Of course, I agree, but maybe playing a little bit devil's advocate, and I'm not pushing back, you know, I could make the argument that from a cash flow perspective, nothing changes for the companies because none of them, including some, are paying 280E tax, right? The only thing that would change, it could change, is that share prices go up a lot and the companies are able to issue equity. As we saw on December eighteenth, you know, the jump in share prices didn't last very long, right?

Pablo Zuanic
Founder and Managing Partner at Zuanic & Associates

I'm afraid that we would have a situation cash flow, we get rescheduling, but cash flow doesn't change obviously because they're not paying 280E, and then we don't really have the ability for companies to issue equity because share price doesn't go up so much. From that perspective, you know, in practical terms, very little would change. I mean, I'm sure you would disagree with me, but if you can comment on that, Peter, then that's my last question. Thanks.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

Yeah, I think the fundamental disagreement is the fundamental piece that I would push back on is that I think how you view the current environment. The concept that companies are accruing a tax liability and not paying those taxes is not a particularly sustainable one in the long term. It's an aspect of underwriting that we focus on very intensely when we're evaluating new opportunities. We're evaluating what amount of taxes are unpaid on their balance sheet today. If they're not current and not paying their 280E taxes, how might that balance grow over the life of our investment?

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

What guardrails can we put in place as far as a covenant perspective and a loan agreement perspective, to ensure that those balances don't grow and that those balances and their non-payment of taxes are factored into how we measure risk on a monthly basis when we receive their compliance certificates. For, you know, we look at the current environment and to paraphrase your words, we do not say, "Oh, they're not paying their taxes, so it doesn't matter." We look at that current environment with a very healthy amount of skepticism and factor it into how we underwrite our loans.

Peter Sack
Peter Sack
Co-CEO at Chicago Atlantic Real Estate Finance

When rescheduling does occur and those taxes are no longer being accrued because they're no longer due on a go-forward basis, that to us is a strong credit improvement.

Pablo Zuanic
Founder and Managing Partner at Zuanic & Associates

Right. Thank you very much. That's great, color. Thanks.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • David Kite
      David Kite
      President and COO
    • Peter Sack
      Peter Sack
      Co-CEO
    • Phil Silverman
      Phil Silverman
      CFO
Analysts
    • Aaron Grey
      Managing Director and Head of Consumer at Alliance Global Partners
    • Chris Muller
      Director of Equity Research at Citizens Capital Markets
    • Pablo Zuanic
      Founder and Managing Partner at Zuanic & Associates
    • Tripp Sullivan
      President at SCR Partners
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