LON:JMAT Johnson Matthey H2 2026 Earnings Report GBX 2,120 -54.00 (-2.48%) As of 12:13 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Johnson Matthey EPS ResultsActual EPSGBX 128.50Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AJohnson Matthey Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$12.57 billionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AJohnson Matthey Announcement DetailsQuarterH2 2026Date5/28/2026TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, May 28, 2026Conference Call Time4:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Johnson Matthey H2 2026 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 28, 2026 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Johnson Matthey reported 6% underlying growth in line with upgraded guidance, with underlying operating profit up 14% and free cash flow rising to GBP 168 million, more than 160% higher year on year. Positive Sentiment: Clean Air margin improved sharply to 14.5%, and management said it is on track to reach 16%-18% margins by 2027/2028 through cost savings, footprint consolidation, and better commercial execution. Neutral Sentiment: Hydrogen Technologies reached run-rate breakeven in the fourth quarter, but the company also took impairments after recalibrating growth expectations amid slower fuel cell and electrolyser markets. Negative Sentiment: PGM Services was hit by a GBP 48 million operational metal loss at the U.S. refinery, and management said higher loss provisions and refinery transition costs will continue to weigh on earnings near term. Positive Sentiment: The announced Cormetech acquisition expands JM into stationary emission control for data centers and distributed power, is expected to be earnings accretive from year one, and comes with a visible pipeline and around GBP 20 million of expected run-rate synergies by 2030. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallJohnson Matthey H2 202600:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Very nice to see you here. I'm Louise Curran, Head of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey, and a very warm welcome this morning. Just a little bit of admin before we start. If you could turn your mobiles off or onto silent. I'll first point you to our cautionary statement at the presentation. I'm very pleased to welcome our CEO, Liam Condon, and Alastair Judge, our CFO. In terms of the agenda this morning, we'll take the usual format. Liam will talk through an overview. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:00:29Alastair will run you through the financial results before Liam gives a strategic update on the progress this year and also the acquisition of Cormetech this morning. We'll, of course, leave plenty of time for Q&A, both in the room and then from the webcast as well. With that, I'll hand over to Liam. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:00:49Great. Thanks a lot, Louise, and a warm welcome, everybody, from my side and of course, to everybody online who's watching and listening in today. A year ago, we presented our new strategy to you about JM becoming a more focused, a more lean, and a more cash-generative company. I'm very pleased today to be able to present the progress that we're making. As usual, we'll be pretty open as well about where we're facing challenges. First, let's come to some of the highlights of what we've announced today. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:01:24I know there's a lot of moving parts, not easy to digest everything. There's a lot of progress in here. First thing, the underlying growth at 6% is in line with our previously upgraded guidance. I think that was very important. It's, of course, 14% on a reported basis because we're benefiting from the increase in precious metal prices. Very strong margin improvement in Clean Air, up to 14.5%. This is great progress. Some of you will remember a few years ago, we were in single digits. Now at 14.5%, plenty more room to go here. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:02:01We achieved run rate breakeven in Hydrogen Technologies. We told you this is really important for us, that we want to run this business in a manner that it's not a drag on the rest of the business. We think there's great growth opportunity in the future here, but it's important for us to run at that breakeven, and we got to run rate breakeven in the final quarter. That was very important as well. We said we're going to generate more cash, over 160% more cash year-on-year. That's quite an outcome overall. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:02:35That, we have to say, is despite the fact that, of course, we have faced some challenges. We told you last year, and we told you at the half-year results that PGMS would be in transition for a while as we upgrade our refineries. We have had some issues in our refineries, and we're going to talk about those. Alastair is going to talk about those a little bit later. What's really important is we're managing those issues, and they do not come at the expense of our guidance. They do not come at the expense of cash. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:03:09You can see we've delivered on our guidance this year, we're completely committed to delivering on our guidance for 2027, 2028, which, as we'll talk to later, is excluding some of the movements on the portfolio side that we will be talking about as we go through. What's really important for us as we manage that transition with platinum group metals is our single biggest CapEx investment ever in our new refinery. We're pretty far advanced now with this. It's been ongoing for quite a while. It is going to cost more CapEx. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:03:46Alastair is going to talk about this as well. We're very confident now in the timeline will be operational next year. This is really important from an efficiency, from a working capital point of view, from a sustainability point of view. This is on track to be operational next year. Really important for us. Catalyst Technologies, I know there's great interest in this. Catalyst Technologies, we are in the final stage now of approval. We only have the Chinese regulatory outstanding. There are no more questions. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:04:21There are no more requests for information. The market assessment has been done. There's no complaints out there. This is just going through the process, and we are very confident that this will be wrapped up along the timelines that we've indicated, and then we will be returning GBP 1 billion to shareholders as promised. The final piece, bigger news today, was the acquisition of Cormetech, which is a market leader in SCR catalysts in the U.S. for stationary emission control. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:04:55Like we are a global market leader in automotive emission control, Cormetech is a market leader in stationary emission control and is benefiting tremendously from the rapid growth of data centers because that's where all their growth is coming from. They're doing emission control for data centers, in essence, cleaning the cloud. We'll talk about this today in a bit more detail, particularly also because it's breaking news. Before I hand over to Alastair to take us through the financial details today, just a couple of points about how we're reshaping the group because there is a lot going on. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:05:37Overall, we've had a strong focus on what we call controlling the controllables. A lot of this is about managing cost. We have reduced the executive leadership team from nine to six. That's a one-third reduction. You can see replications of this throughout the organization. Makes us leaner, makes us faster, very honestly, and I personally think it makes us a lot better. We've had a significant reduction in corporate function headcount as well. We're just getting much more efficient. Using technology to automate a lot more. We're seeing strong benefits here. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:06:17We've aligned our incentives to our targets very tightly. 80% of our incentives are OP or cash focused, 80%. Basically what we're saying, what we're committing to is what we're being incentivized on. I think in times like this, there could be concerns that maybe some of these efforts are maybe not going to reflect well from a customer point of view or from an employee point of view. Actually, quite to the contrary, we have seen a very significant increase in our net promoter score. Our net promoter score was already very strong. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:06:58Anything above 40 is a strong net promoter score. It's increased to 47, and the reason for that is we're doing a better job with our customers and helping them tap into value. A lot of our customers are struggling on the margin side, and we're taking a full cost approach and helping them manage their business better. That's reflecting better back to us than in a perception of how we're doing, and that's why this score is going up. We spoke in the past a lot about improving commercial muscle. That's a reflection of what you can see here. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:07:29On the employee side, when you have a lot of change, it is demanding. It's tough, and you need very resilient employees to get through this. Normally, your engagement scores come down when you're going through lots of change. You can see our engagement score has actually gone up and gone up quite significantly. This is really a shout-out to our employees doing an absolute fantastic job, super resilient and highly committed to delivering on the strategy that we have outlined last year. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:08:03That just a summary of kind of the progress that we're making so far, some of the elements that we're dealing with. Now Alastair is going to take you through the details of the past financial year. Over to you, Alastair. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:08:18Thank you, Liam, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to be here to report results for the first time in my new role. For those of you who don't know me, I joined Johnson Matthey as finance director for Clean Air. I became CEO of the Platinum Group Metal Services business, and more recently, I've been head of strategy. This is a business I know well. We delivered a solid performance in 2025/2026 with growth in underlying operating profit, margin, and cash generation. Our results are on a continued basis excluding Catalyst Technologies. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:08:54Sales were down 7%, mainly as a result of soft market conditions in key markets in Clean Air. Despite this, underlying operating profit was up 14%. Excluding metal prices, underlying operating profit grew 6%, in line with guidance driven largely by cost efficiencies across the group. Earnings per share increased 16% to GBP 1.285, reflecting the higher profit, but also a lower share count following our buyback program in 2024/2025. Free cash flow of GBP 168 million was a material step-up for the prior year as we intensify our focus on cash generation. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:09:42Net debt increased to GBP 880 million and remains at 1.8x EBITDA, and we are announcing a final dividend of GBP 0.55 per share, bringing the total dividend to GBP 0.77 in line with last year. Looking at the rest of the income statement on an underlying basis, as mentioned, underlying profit was up 14% at GBP 340 million. Finance charges increased to GBP 69 million as benefits in the prior year did not repeat and effective interest rates increased due to funding mix changes. As a result, underlying profit before tax grew 11% to GBP 271 million. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:10:28We expect finance charges this year to be broadly in line with 2025/2026. The adjusted underlying tax charge was GBP 55 million, an effective rate of 20.3%. This year, we expect an effective tax rate of 25%-27%. This mainly reflects the impact of the sale of Catalyst Technologies on our profitability in the U.K. and on the U.K. underlying effective tax rate. On a reported basis, we recognized impairment and restructuring charges of GBP 192 million. The impairments largely relate to the slowdown in the fuel cell and electrolyser markets. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:11:20We have recalibrated our growth expectations in Hydrogen Technologies and as a result, we have fully impaired the remaining GBP 88 million of fixed assets in this business, alongside GBP 33 million of related assets in PGMS services. We also recognize smaller impairments relating to the closure of our China refinery in PGM Services and consolidation of our manufacturing footprint in Clean Air. Restructuring charges of GBP 57 million reflect the actions we're taking to streamline our processes and rightsize our group. Turning now to each business. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:12:03Overall sales in Clean Air decreased 7%. Light-duty diesel sales were down 5%, driven by Europe, which saw further penetration of battery electric vehicles and gasoline hybrids. Our performance in light-duty gasoline was impacted by market share losses, largely due to the phase-out of platforms in Europe and a weaker platform mix in China. We've made good progress winning new hybrid business in gasoline, and Liam will talk about that later. In heavy-duty diesel, sales declined 6%, driven by North America, where the Class 8 truck market was impacted by tariffs and uncertainty around incoming emissions regulation EPA 2027. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:12:52We expect market demand to recover this year in the U.S. with improved visibility of these rules. Despite lower sales, operating profit grew 12%, and margins increased from 11.8% to 14.5% as our focus on cost reduction, including operational excellence and footprint consolidation, feeds through into performance. This underpins our confidence in margins reaching 16%-18% in 2027, 2028. In PGM Services, sales were down 11%, and operating profit decreased 20%. Our refining business was impacted by a GBP 48 million operational metal loss, recognized when we completed a stock take at our U.S. refinery in the second half. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:13:47This led to the drop in both sales and profit. We conduct stock takes every two years, so this loss relates to the full two-year period since the previous stock take. While it's normal to recognize some losses as part of this process, on this occasion they were significantly higher, with around half of the increase driven by higher metal prices. We expect this to come down in the near term as we accelerate our operational excellence initiatives and transform our refining operations. For prudence, we are still recognizing higher loss provisions this year. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:14:28Our performance in refining was partly offset by a stronger trading performance, supported by higher and more volatile metal prices. In Hydrogen Technologies, sales grew 18% to GBP 71 million, largely driven by fuel cells, while electrolyser sales doubled from a low base. We restructured this business at the end of 2024, 2025, taking out headcount and reducing cost, which led to a smaller operating loss of GBP 90 million. Importantly, as you heard from Liam, we achieved run rate breakeven in the fourth quarter as guided. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:15:08We are managing this market in line with market development and will continue to take out cost while maintaining our long-term growth optionality. Turning now to cash. On a like-for-like basis, we delivered a cash flow of GBP 168 million, up from GBP 64 million in the prior year. The increase was driven by higher EBITDA as a result of cost reduction, as well as lower CapEx and restructuring charges. We delivered cost savings of around GBP 70 million, largely in Clean Air and corporate. CapEx was GBP 62 million lower than the prior year at GBP 239 million, and we continue to make improvements in working capital. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:15:54After a strong year in 2024, 2025, we delivered another inflow of GBP 135 million last year. Once our new PGM refinery is complete, we expect CapEx to come down to around GBP 120 million in 2027, 2028, below depreciation. In 2026, 2027, we expect CapEx of around GBP 230 million, an increase on our previous guidance of GBP 140 million. This is due to higher spend in the new refinery. We told you in November that the fit-out of the building had been slower than expected due to industrial action by some of our subcontractors in 2025. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:16:40The return to normal operations took longer than expected, while productivity has now increased to target levels, this has impacted our fit-out, particularly installation of the pipework, a complex and largely manual process involving installing 50 km of piping. We are therefore investing in significantly more resource, including running three shifts a day and adding in specialist contractors to ensure the refinery is operational in 2027 as planned. With our recent progress on improving working capital, we have identified additional opportunities which will help offset the increased cost of capital next year. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:17:24For example, with greater operational excellence and agility in our Clean Air plants, we can now bring down our levels of inventory without impacting customer service or impacting the important net promoter score Liam mentioned earlier. This will allow us to deliver further improvement on free cash flow this year from GBP 168 million towards our target of at least GBP 250 million by 2027, 2028. Moving on to capital allocation. As you know, we have a disciplined policy with three clear priorities. The first is organic investment, where, as you have heard, we expect CapEx to come down materially following completion of our new refinery. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:18:10Our second priority is to deliver materially enhanced shareholder returns. We have committed to increasing ongoing returns to at least GBP 200 million in respect of 2026, 2027 and beyond. We also expect to return GBP 1 billion of net proceeds from the sale of Catalyst Technologies this year. GBP 800 million through a special dividend with share consolidation and the remaining GBP 200 million via share buyback. Our third priority is inorganic investment. You've already heard from Liam about the acquisition of Cormetech, which brings new capabilities and scale to our Clean Air Solutions business. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:18:51This acquisition is earnings accretive pre-synergies from year one and supports our growth in CapEx generation moving forward. Liam will talk more about this later. Taking into account this acquisition, together with the sale of Catalyst Technologies and associated shareholder returns, we expect pro forma net debt to EBITDA to remain at around 1.8x at the end of March 2027. We are committed to our target range of 1x-1.5x and expect to reach this by the end of March 2029 as we drive operating margins and stronger cash generation. Turning now to the 2026/2027 outlook. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:19:36Assuming constant currency and metal prices, we expect low to mid-single digit growth in operating profit, excluding Catalyst Technologies and Cormetech. Looking at each business, we expect Clean Air to deliver good growth in operating profit and further margin improvement driven by efficiencies. In Hydrogen Technologies, we expect to be at operating profit breakeven. In PGM Services, we anticipate operating profit in line with 2025/2026, as higher loss provisions in our U.S. refinery, as well as lower metal recoveries and higher maintenance costs in our existing U.K. refinery, will be offset by a reduction in overall operational metal losses in the U.S. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:20:23If metal prices remain at current levels, we also anticipate a benefit of GBP 25 million to support performance in PGM Services. Assuming constant exchange rates, we expect an adverse impact of GBP 2 million for the group from foreign exchange. Finally, as mentioned, we anticipate further improvement in free cash flow towards our 2027/2028 target of at least GBP 250 million. We do not see any material impact from the Middle East in 2025/2026. Our direct exposure to the region, excluding Catalyst Technologies, is negligible and our energy costs are well hedged in the short term. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:21:08Long-term indirect impacts on demand supply chains in the broader market are difficult to predict given current geopolitical uncertainty and these are not included in our guidance. To conclude, we delivered a solid performance in 2025/2026 with growth in operating margin, profit and cash generation. We continue to focus on driving cost efficiencies, lowering CapEx and managing our working capital. We plan to deliver return to shareholders of at least GBP 200 million in respect of 2026/2027 and beyond. With that, I will hand back to Liam. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:21:51Great. Thanks a lot, Alastair Judge. We're leaving the past financial year and are now going to go into the go-forward piece, and I'm going to go through our various businesses and take a particular deep dive then on the Cormetech acquisition. Just a brief reminder for any of you who are new to the story, our strategy is very much about focusing on our core strengths, which is PGMS at the core and emission control. These are the two areas where we are world-class. We have a circular business model. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:22:26We manufacture products with precious metals, we recycle them and we trade the metals on behalf of our customers. That's what makes us strong. Really strong positions in Clean Air and PGMs per se. We have three areas of growth within the strategy embedded in the various businesses. PGM products, new applications beyond the automotive catalyst, Hydrogen Technologies components for electrolyzers and fuel cells, and Clean Air Solutions is the piece that we'll talk about in relation to Cormetech today. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:23:02First, if we go to Clean Air, just a brief reminder of where we are, the midterm outlook. Our target for 2027/2028 is at least GBP 2 billion in sales. What's really important is over 95% of that volume has already been won. Very strong confidence here. You can see from our portfolio, it's actually about 80% diesel and over time the heavy-duty diesel part, which continues to grow for the next 10 years, will actually become the strongest component of this portfolio. Targeting a 16%-18% margin for the 2027-2028 frame and given where we've landed in the past financial year, we have a very high confidence in achieving that. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:23:51Looking at how we're going to maintain our position, we have an exceptionally strong win rate on the diesel side, so we feel very good about maintaining our overall or strengthening our market position there. Our weakness has traditionally been on the light-duty gasoline side, which was de-emphasized many years ago. Because of that we've been losing market share and platform simply because we weren't focusing in that space. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:24:18This strategy was recalibrated a few years ago where we decided to focus in on growth areas within light-duty gasoline, not the mass kind of light-duty gasoline, which can sometimes, from a margin point of view, be unattractive, but really the growth areas with a much more attractive profitability and specifically hybrids. In the past year, we've actually won nine hybrid platforms in Europe, and that represents 25% of the total projected market for 2028, 2029 in Europe. That 25% is punching significantly above our weight from a market share point of view. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:25:00You can expect a turnaround there in the go-forward hybrid market share off the back of the contracts that we have won in the past 12 months. Our strategy is really to help our OEMs to have strategic partnerships with select OEMs. We don't work with everybody. The ones that we work with, we work with very closely, and as you saw earlier from the net promoter score, they appreciate working with us, we appreciate working with them, and we run this in a way that there's mutual benefits on both sides. Looking at the margin, what gives us confidence that this is going to continue to increase going forward? Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:25:45The levers, the drivers behind that margin improvement. Clearly, as the market matures there's less need for R&D. Still need R&D, it's just less than what you would need if you're constantly innovating in that space. Less need for SG&A. That will continue going forward. Overall corporate headcount will be reduced further as we rightsize the company post the exit of CT. With less corporate function headcount, you get less corporate recharges for Clean Air that will automatically benefit the margin as well. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:26:21We've been optimizing the manufacturing processes, just running things in a more streamlined manner. Our footprint consolidation continues. We took out another two production lines in the last 12 months. You recall a few years ago, we had 16 plants and 50, five-zero, lines. Today, we're down to 11 plants and 20 lines. Target state is probably about six plants. You can see the trajectory. How that evolves depends on the pace of market evolution. We're pretty agile here and feel very confident in our ability to reach this 16%-18% margin. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:27:07On PGMs, there's three parts to this business, the refining side, the products side, and between both of them that's kind of the bulk of the business. We have a very attractive trading part of the business as well, and in times of high volatility, that typically will generate relatively more profitability as well. We're the world's biggest recycler, and this is the piece, that refining piece is the part that we are upgrading and have been now for a while, and upgrading until next year. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:27:43That's why we talk about the transitional phase of PGMS because it's really important with the older assets that we're running, that we upgrade these to be state-of-the-art, modern, efficient, and that costs a bit of money. Again, it doesn't come at the expense of our ability to deliver on our guidance. This is something that we just manage through. The previous targets that we set out, at least GBP 450 million sales 2027, 2028, circa 30% operating margin 2027, 2028 they remain absolutely in place. They are absolutely what we are targeting and very confident of achieving. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:28:27A key part of this, and Alastair has spoken to it already, the new PGM refinery. We do hope at some stage we can take you around there. We're not going to take you anytime soon because we don't want you getting in the way of the people who are installing the pipes because we really want them to stick on schedule now. We already started early stage commissioning in March. That was important. We've got about 70% of the equipment already installed. Not on site, installed. We've got almost all the equipment is basically on site already. This is making really good progress. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:29:10The piping part is the piece that Alastair alluded to where it's just complex by nature. Given the amount of resource that we're putting behind it now, we're very confident in the timeline that we've outlined. Our plan is to take down the old refinery in the fourth quarter of calendar year next year. We will only take down the old refinery when the new refinery is completely up and running. That gives you kind of a timescale of how we're thinking about when this becomes operational. We'll start it up stage by stage, metal by metal. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:29:47It won't be just press one button and the whole thing works. We will go through this very methodically. We've got a lot of experience in this, and that's the plan on the new PGM refinery. On track for next year. I've showed you in that one slide we've got the three components, and we've spoken in the past a lot about Hydrogen Technologies. Market is slow still at the moment, so we're managing what we can manage. We're still convinced. Basically, there will be a strong market for green hydrogen because you cannot decarbonize heavy industry without it. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:30:33It's just a question of when will the economics work and when will the market really kick in. That's taking a while, but we are very well-positioned and winning new customers in this space. A lot of new projects starting, but they're all still early stage. This is still a pretty nascent business for us, but we're running it at breakeven. PGM products we've spoken about extensively before. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:30:58You'll probably have seen our latest collaboration with some of the key miners, Valterra, Sibanye-Stillwater, where in essence, they are co-funding our research and development to find new applications for PGMs, which is a very exciting development that Louise can talk to a bit more. A lot going on here. The piece that we're going to double-click on today is Clean Air Solutions, because we haven't really spoken about it yet, and we've got a lot to speak about on this one. The background here is, we've had this business called Clean Air Solutions kind of hidden in Clean Air for quite a while. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:31:45A couple of years, or a few years, we've had this business, this is stationary emission control by and large. We're a world leader in automotive emission control, stuff that's moving around. Stationary is typically used on power plants, utilities, and data centers. The piece where we have typically played in the past, and this goes back to our heritage, is think about us as the kings of diesel engines, from an emission control point of view. We do the emission control for the diesel engine, and the diesel engine is often a backup for a data center. Data centers are running 24/7. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:32:32They can never go down. They have to have a backup. That's a nice niche-y type space that we've been playing in. The really juicy part of the market is less about the backup, it's more about primary supply, and typically, your primary supply should be coming from the electricity grid. The reality is the electricity grid cannot cope with the demands of AI, the energy demands of AI. If you're building a new data center today and you want to get connected to the grid, you're going to be told you have to wait five to eight years. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:33:11You tell a hyperscaler to wait five to eight years, and they'll say, No, I will solve that problem myself. I will build my own microgrid on-site, and I will do that with a gas turbine engine, and I will generate my own electricity on-site. That is exactly what is happening in the U.S. That's what's driving this market. You have a need from the hyperscalers to test and run their models, which requires endless amounts of energy. They can't get enough from the grid, so they're building their own microgrids on-site with gas turbines. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:33:47The company that we're going to talk about, Cormetech, is basically the market leader in that space for gas turbine emission control. That's why we're so excited about this company. With that, we can combine primary emission control from an energy generation point of view and backup, and that opens up completely new possibilities as well. Overall, I hope you can get a sense this is quite exciting stuff for us. The really important thing is this is close to home. This is emission control. This is stuff we've been doing for decades. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:34:23This SCR selective catalytic reduction technology is something we've been doing as well for decades, but we've been doing it for diesel engines. Cormetech has been doing it primarily for gas turbines, and they have a lot of IP around this. This is highly complementary from our point of view. Market is growing rapidly. There's a huge distributed power generation market out there for people who can't rely on the grid. The main focus of demand right now, the one that's just going through the roof, is of course, data centers, and it's primarily focused in the U.S. today. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:35:04Because of desires for AI sovereignty all over the world, you're going to see this replicated throughout the world. Many opportunities in here for us. What we're paying is $360 million. This is approximately a 10x multiple on the 2026 calendar year EBITDA. There is an additional earn-out of up to GBP 100 million, which is based on very ambitious revenue targets for 2027, 2028, which we really hope the Cormetech team will achieve. This is quite spectacular growth planned in. It is, of course, subject to customary regulatory approval. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:35:49De facto, this is only relevant in the U.S. In contrast, for example, to the CT deal, where we had to go through 12 different regulatory authorities, this one is only relevant in the U.S. Given the high complementarity of the nature, we expect no issues, and we expect this to be a pretty quick process. I mentioned we've already been in this space for a while. We've never opened it because very honestly, when you compare with Clean Air, you'd say, this is too small to talk, or had been too small to talk about. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:36:27We held back on basically sharing what this Clean Air Solutions piece for Johnson Matthey is. Minus Cormetech, just what we do today. Here you get a sense of what the dimension of this business is. In the past financial year, already GBP 67 million, close to GBP 70 million, not dollars, and an operating profit of GBP 10 million. Profit of GBP 10 million. This is already a highly attractive business. This, same as Cormetech, is actually growing really fast. We've recently secured with two engine manufacturers in the U.S. We have secured GBP 300 million in sales for the medium term going forward. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:37:18There's a great dynamic in this business for JM anyway, that very honestly we would have spoken about without Cormetech for the first time today. It's just with the combination with Cormetech, this really starts to get critical mass and really starts to get interesting for JM going forward. This is the shape of the JM part of the business. The Cormetech part of the business, as I say, think primary power generation, emission control for that. You can see here, the last 12 months sales, GBP 104 million in sales, GBP 16 million EBITDA. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:37:57You can see from the projection for 2026, a huge increase in that. It's $180 million projected in sales for this year and $35 million EBITDA. Cormetech has a track record for the last five years of very strong growth. This is compounding. Then think about adding this with our piece of the pie, and you get to at least GBP 200 million kind of financial year-end. You get to at least GBP 200 million in sales and a margin that is clearly significantly accretive to the JM group margin. I hope that kind of puts in context also why we're so excited about this. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:38:43A lot of long-term relationships for Cormetech. Cormetech's been around since 1989. Their customers are usually returning customers. The vast majority of them are returning customers. They have, and this is really important, also a recurring element to the sales model. If you sell a catalyst for a backup diesel engine, you're probably going to sell it once because the diesel engine's not going to be running all the time, so the catalyst is going to last longer. If you're in the primary power generation market, these things are running 24/7, massive energy loads. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:39:24At some stage, the honeycomb with the catalyst needs to be replaced every few years, like with industrial catalysts. You have a recurring sales model. If you're winning business now, you know in a few years you're getting that business again, and there's a service element to this business. This again, kind of feeds into why we are so excited about this business. We have strong visibility on the growth that's coming. There's a contracted order book for GBP 300 million up to 2027. I think what's important to understand here is, typically, you buy the catalyst more or less at the end of the purchase process. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:40:17If you think about the purchase process for a gas turbine, these are very big and expensive engines. It'll take a while to install them. Anyway, it takes a while to procure them, takes a while to install them. At that point in time where you're buying the gas turbine, you don't buy the catalyst. You buy it rather towards the end because you want the fresh catalyst. You might place an order, you'll really only purchase at the end. These are purchases where the big investment has already been made by somebody. Typically, these are hyperscalers who are investing all this CapEx. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:40:56At the end, you get this sale coming in and then the recurring sale in later years. You can easily see how you could compound this number. There's a pipeline of GBP 1 billion already visible to us, and this is all standalone. There's nothing in synergies in here. We think there's a lot of synergies, but this is just Cormetech standalone. Great pipeline in there. This just gives you a picture, first time, of the combined business, what it would look like. Of course, we'll go into further detail when we have completed the deal. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:41:35After we have completed, we'll share more with you and we'll give more guidance on this, but just kind of directionally to let you know what it looks like. You see from a geographic point of view, strong focus in the U.S. Why is that? All of this business right now is primarily driven by data centers, and that's where the center of the world is right now. That will be replicated throughout the world. That geographic kind of differentiation will happen over time. The most attractive, also from a value point of view, the highest growth, most attractive market is U.S. That's where we have the strongest lock at the moment. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:42:15On the customer side, variety of customers. We're not only serving the data centers. The data centers is the fastest growth, highest value opportunity, but it's utilities, it's industrial, it's marine. Again, think distributed power generation. You're not getting enough power from the grid. You got to solve it yourself with an on-site solution. That's what we're solving for here. You can see from a tech point of view, we basically cover all angles. We've got the natural gas turbines, diesel engines, natural gas engines, coal power plants. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:42:52Depending on what fuel is being used, we will offer an emissions control solution. These engines, typically the new ones, are fuel agnostic. If methanol is developed, if ammonia is developed, hydrogen is developed, these can run on these fuels as well, and we will also have the emission control solution for that, too. Key point here is we as JM have a lot of IP in this space. Cormetech has a lot of IP in this space. This is a very strong combined business that will really help solve customers' needs because customers need to solve their nitrogen oxide pollution problems in the data center, which is the strength of Cormetech. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:43:43They need to also avoid carbon monoxide and volatile organic compounds in the data center. That's core strength of JM. We can do that in one combined offering going forward, which today hasn't been possible to the extent that you would want, particularly in the primary market. Finally, on this piece, we do see a lot of course, financial benefits from this. We see synergies of about GBP 20 million, run rate synergies of GBP 20 million by 2030, 70% revenue, 30% cost. Why is that? Where is that? It's really quite easy. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:44:34Think of, again, Cormetech gas turbine. They have the SCR catalyst. We have an oxidation catalyst that whoever is running the data center also needs, so we can sell JM products to their customers. Equally, Cormetech is basically only in the U.S. We have a global footprint. We can sell their products to our customers around the world as well. On top, we can develop a combined offering for new customers. We think from a synergy point of view, there is lots of room here for us to move forward. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:45:13As Alastair already mentioned, this deal is EPS accretive from the first year, even without any synergies. We think highly attractive. The ROIC will be exceeded within three years of completion. Alastair's already pointed out we'll be very disciplined on the net leverage going forward and remain very disciplined with strong cash generation improving the position over time. That was basically it. One or two final points. We have shared with you in the past our overview of milestones. These are commitments beyond just the financial numbers to give you a sense, are we on track or not? Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:46:00We will continue to update you with these. We think it's important because first and foremost, we got to run the underlying business as successfully as possible. We're very excited about Cormetech is an add-on, that the fundamental part is running the core business as successfully as possible and having an additional boost there with Cormetech. That cannot come at the expense of the core business. We're very clear on our priorities here. The good news is we're on track with all of our commitments so far. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:46:34There have been challenges on the way, as you've seen from our results today, we're managing those challenges. We're completely committed to the commitments that we have made to you and to the market with the midterm, with a mid-single-digit CAGR and OP underlying CAGR and OP by 2027, 2028, the GBP 250 million free cash flow and the GBP 200 million annual returns to shareholders split relatively equally, probably between dividends and share buybacks. That is a firm commitment. That's all without Cormetech. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:47:14Going forward, we'll give further guidance, but you can take that as an absolute firm commitment from us. Nothing changes in that regard. On top, you have the GBP 1 billion returns from the CT sale this year on top of whatever else we're promising here. As you can see from the presentation today, we are not just milking the business. We are also reshaping the portfolio to ensure sustainable value creation, not just short and medium term, but also in the long term. A lot of moving parts. I'm sure you've got lots of questions. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:47:51Together with Alastair and my team, we're looking very forward to answering them. Big thanks to you for your attention today, and we can kick off with the Q&A. Thank you. Do a bit of advertising for Coke Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:48:20Excellent. Thank you, Liam, Alastair, for the presentation. We'll firstly take questions in the room, then we'll go to the webcast. Just as a reminder, please state your name and your company when you ask the question. Alex, we'll go to you first. Alex O'HanlonAnalyst at Panmure Liberum00:48:36Good morning. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:48:36Just wait for the mic. Thank you. Alex O'HanlonAnalyst at Panmure Liberum00:48:38Sorry. Good morning. Alex O'Hanlon from Panmure Liberum. Congratulations on a good set of numbers, given all the things you've had to manage and the Cormetech acquisition. Could I start with the Cormetech acquisition? Obviously, it's the big news this morning. You mentioned the GBP 1 billion sales pipeline. Could you give us a bit more color around that? How much of that is with customers that Cormetech already has relationships, and how confident are you on winning, I guess, your fair share of that? Alex O'HanlonAnalyst at Panmure Liberum00:49:11The next question is just on LDG. You mentioned the good progress that you've made there after the refocus on that business in Clean Air. I guess the question is, what have you done differently that's helped you improve those win rates? Or just a bit more color around that. Cheers. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:49:27Yeah, sure. Thanks a lot, Alex. On the Cormetech pipeline, about 85% of that pipeline is returning sales. These are customers. Typically, Cormetech has very long-term relationships with their customers. The current estimate is about 85% is already established customers as opposed to new customers. That's how we're thinking about the pipeline or from the data that we've seen from due diligence. We will, as we go forward, can give you more details around that once we've been able to look further deeper into it. It's a pipeline where there's a high degree of confidence, and this is almost all data center driven. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:50:16We're not even tapping into the other potential markets. The full focus is on data center at this point in time. On LDG, the turnaround in hybrid really started a few years ago with the recalibration to say, actually we have competitive technology, but we had de-emphasized it. We can't afford to play everywhere in the LDG space. It was a very deliberate strategy to say what's going to grow. We considered particularly hybrid to be highly attractive. Growth rate going forward is like 5% for the next 10 years, and that's a space where the value of the catalytic converter is the same as an internal combustion engine for us. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:51:10It's a much smaller one, but the value is basically the same for us. It's quite an attractive space to be in. We've basically, with those nine platforms that we've won, we've started to establish a reputation then in the industry, and then it kind of becomes a virtuous circle. I think it's the hard work over multiple years now, starting with very good technology, competitive, our ability to improve on the PGM loading side, which really helps customers on the cost side, and just reestablishing with customers at a personal human key account level, the relationship with key OEMs again. Alex O'HanlonAnalyst at Panmure Liberum00:51:55Perfect. Thank you. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:51:58Tristan. Come to the front. Thank you. Tristan LamotteAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:52:04Hi. Tristan Lamotte, Deutsche Bank. I was wondering if you could give a little bit more color on the kind of GBP 48 million one-off that pushed down PGMS earnings this year. I'm just wondering, because there are a few kind of temporary feeling impacts in PGMS, last year, guided this year, and I guess they kind of drop out in FY 2028. What kind of a reversion should we expect upwards in FY 2028? How should we think about that profile? Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:52:39On the metal losses, first of all. Look, I mean, I think all manufacturing businesses have some metal losses in their system. I think in our refineries, some metal gets trapped through it. Every couple of years, what we do is we close down the plants, and we do a complete count of everything, and we compare the count to the estimates we've made of metal yield. If there's a difference, we book the loss. We ran the stock count at the second half of last year, and the results showed that the metal yields were lower than we'd estimated, which means we had to recognize the loss. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:53:09I think within that, there's probably three things I'd say, Tristan. The first is, even at constant volumes, we were going to have a bigger number because metal prices went up so highly in the second half of the year. On a constant volume basis, that probably doubled the value of the losses. We've also had some sort of challenges with the more variable feeds coming in and some challenges with managing the assets in the U.S. That's also led to a higher volume. They're the causes of it. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:53:36We've got a very clear program in place in West Deptford, taking some of the learnings we've had from the old refinery in the U.K., which is selectively renewing some of the assets and improving the operating processes. Those will drop off over time. We're very confident that as we move forward, the level of yield will get back to more historic norms. We're taking a prudent view in 2027 of assuming that those metal losses continue, and so that will dampen profits in 2027, as we've discussed, and will leave the profits more or less flat year-on-year. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:54:06As we move into 2028 and we move through the new refinery in the U.K. and we resolve the issues in West Deptford, we're very confident of the GBP 450 million guidance at 30%+ operating margins that we've spoken about today. That will come through as we get through FY 2028. Tristan LamotteAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:54:22The GBP 450 is before metal price impact, right? Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:54:25Yes. Tristan LamotteAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:54:27Which is quite impressive. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:54:27Yes, that's good. Next year we're guiding to flat underlying, but with a GBP 25 million upside from metal prices on top of that. Those metal prices will continue for as long as metal prices remain as high as they are today. Tristan LamotteAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:54:40Got it. Thank you. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:54:41Okay. Thanks, Tristan. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:54:44Maybe just behind you, Sebastian. Thank you. Sebastian BrayAnalyst at Berenberg Bank00:54:47Thank you. Good morning. Sebastian Bray of Berenberg Bank. I had a question on Cormetech, which is the business has quite nice growth outlook, but the 65% EBITDA CAGR mentioned versus 2020 implies that the business was quite close to EBITDA breakeven in that year. I appreciate 2020 is an unusual year for several reasons, but why historically was the profitability of a business, let's say, low to mid-single-digit EBITDA margins, and what has changed apart from operating leverage? Sebastian BrayAnalyst at Berenberg Bank00:55:20My other question is on the total cost of new PGM refineries. Is this disclosed now? Is it something like GBP 350 million-GBP 400 million net of the incremental GBP 90 million investment? Finally, Clean Air margins, big step up H2 versus H1. I think over 200 basis points. Is there any reason in terms of phasing of cost savings why this number doesn't become 18%, 19%+, if the group targets for cost savings can largely be transposed across to Clean Air? Thank you. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:55:57Thanks a lot, Sebastian. You got a lot in there for one shot. Let's start with Cormetech. Of course, we don't understand everything that was happening at Cormetech as you can imagine in 2020. I think the key point is there was a change in management in 2022. Basically, there was a refocus of what they were doing. I think this was more or less a kind of stable, relatively low-growth company at that point in time. They saw the opportunity in data centers and focused the business on that. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:56:38Did a much better job of controlling their costs, and that ultimately has led to the significant increase in CAGR. I think it was more the 2022-2026 timeframe where the jump has been, as opposed to 2020 and 2021. That was due to new management. I think what's important is there is a very successful management team in there right now, led by a lady called Patricia Martinez. She's the CEO. That team will continue in charge running the business. They are incentivized to stay on with the earn-out. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:57:20It's in our interest to make them as successful as possible. We'll be sticking with that team and sticking with those high growth rates going forward is the intent. That may be on Cormetech and on the PGMS. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:57:32Yeah. I think Sebastian, on PGMS, I think we previously guided to about GBP 350 million. I think the GBP 19 million increase in capital guidance this year is primarily around the PGM refinery. We would expect that to be nearer GBP 450 million as it's complete. On the H2 Clean Air marginLook, Clean Air always has stronger H2 than H1 margins. I think that's what we've seen in the past. What we will see is the growth we saw in both H1 and H2 margins rolling forward as we continue to improve the margins from 14.5% full year this year towards that 16%-18% range. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:58:12There's always an H1, H2 split, partly driven by the volume of business that generally comes through in the second half versus the first half. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:58:22We like your challenge now. We'll see if we can go for it. Sebastian BrayAnalyst at Berenberg Bank00:58:26Thank you. John CampbellAnalyst at Bank of America00:58:30Hello. It's John Campbell with Bank of America. I've got three quick questions. Could you maybe be a little bit more specific or give further details on the conditions required for the Cormetech GBP 100 million earn-out? Second of all, when do you expect to have Chinese antitrust approval for Catalyst Technologies acknowledging that you expect it to still be overall on time? John CampbellAnalyst at Bank of America00:58:54Third, you've won basically, I guess, new contracts in hybrids and light-duty gasoline. Would you say it's realistic to assume that in the coming years you might be able to actually outperform maybe the overall underlying volume of production in light-duty gasoline? Thank you. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:59:11Thanks a lot, John. Let me start with Cormetech. On the earn-out, we won't go into the contractual details, in essence it's a revenue-based earn-out for the years 2027, 2028. If very ambitious targets are hit, which are significantly higher than what's in the plan, they will achieve that earn-out. That earn-out would be paid at the end of 2028 for the previous year and at the end of 2029. That's kind of the construct that we have. We think it's in our mutual interest to have that. Gives a great incentive for management to push harder and go faster. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey01:00:00It's revenue based and there's lots of kind of conditions in there as you can imagine, to make sure for both sides that it's reasonable. On China CT, nothing has changed on the timeline. We have a long stop date is in August. There's a first checkpoint in July, and that can be extended into August. The latest that we would expect approval is in August calendar year 2026, and we remain firmly on track for that at the latest. On LDG market share over time, I think the confusing thing, and it is hard to decipher for the market, if you look at current stats, we'd be losing market share in light-duty gasoline because of platforms that have been lost several years ago. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey01:01:01We're now winning platforms that come in with the new kind of EPA 2027 onwards. You see that in the market from 2028 onwards. That's when you see a turnaround in market share. What you could expect is that we'll be probably slight decline, and then gradually pick up with these new hybrid wins that we have on the light-duty gasoline side, would be the trajectory to expect. John CampbellAnalyst at Bank of America01:01:34Thank you. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey01:01:36Just check for any more questions in the room before we move to the webcast. In terms of the webcast questions, we're back to Cormetech, the question comes from Chetan Udeshi at JPMorgan. It's about the competitive market dynamics. I would have thought incumbent auto cat players would also have a good presence in the stationary catalyst market. Do engine players such as Cummins, for example, have their own stationary catalyst business? It feels like this might be a more fragmented marketplace, so how does it compare to the oligopoly nature of Clean Air? Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey01:02:13Yeah, it's a good point. Cummins, as an example, Cummins is actually one of the biggest customers of Clean Air Solutions, JM, today. We actually do the emission control for a company like Cummins. If you think about SCR catalysts and the competition space, it is typically the companies who are catalyst players. A Umicore, a Ceram, partially BASF, would be those types of companies who would be the players in this space. Nobody has a competitive offering like Cormetech for primary emission control in data centers. That's the key differentiation. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey01:03:03The second question was back to the Catalyst Technologies deal. I know we've touched on that. The specific question was, do you have a plan B in case that CT approval is not achieved on time? Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey01:03:15Well, we're very confident that it will be approved, and we have ring-fenced the business. We've carved out CT. We're running it as a standalone business, and we expect to hand it over to Honeywell then once the regulatory closes. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey01:03:36I think from our side, that's so far it on the webcast questions. We'll just do a final check in the room before we wrap up. I think that's good. I think those are all the questions today. Thank you very much everyone in the room and also on the web for your interest, and hopefully we'll see as many of you as possible over the coming weeks and days on the road shows. Thank you for your attention this morning. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey01:04:02Thanks a lot, folks. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Very nice to see you here. I'm Louise Curran, Head of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey, and a very warm welcome this morning. Just a little bit of admin before we start. If you could turn your mobiles off or onto silent. I'll first point you to our cautionary statement at the presentation. I'm very pleased to welcome our CEO, Liam Condon, and Alastair Judge, our CFO. In terms of the agenda this morning, we'll take the usual format. Liam will talk through an overview. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:00:29Alastair will run you through the financial results before Liam gives a strategic update on the progress this year and also the acquisition of Cormetech this morning. We'll, of course, leave plenty of time for Q&A, both in the room and then from the webcast as well. With that, I'll hand over to Liam. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:00:49Great. Thanks a lot, Louise, and a warm welcome, everybody, from my side and of course, to everybody online who's watching and listening in today. A year ago, we presented our new strategy to you about JM becoming a more focused, a more lean, and a more cash-generative company. I'm very pleased today to be able to present the progress that we're making. As usual, we'll be pretty open as well about where we're facing challenges. First, let's come to some of the highlights of what we've announced today. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:01:24I know there's a lot of moving parts, not easy to digest everything. There's a lot of progress in here. First thing, the underlying growth at 6% is in line with our previously upgraded guidance. I think that was very important. It's, of course, 14% on a reported basis because we're benefiting from the increase in precious metal prices. Very strong margin improvement in Clean Air, up to 14.5%. This is great progress. Some of you will remember a few years ago, we were in single digits. Now at 14.5%, plenty more room to go here. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:02:01We achieved run rate breakeven in Hydrogen Technologies. We told you this is really important for us, that we want to run this business in a manner that it's not a drag on the rest of the business. We think there's great growth opportunity in the future here, but it's important for us to run at that breakeven, and we got to run rate breakeven in the final quarter. That was very important as well. We said we're going to generate more cash, over 160% more cash year-on-year. That's quite an outcome overall. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:02:35That, we have to say, is despite the fact that, of course, we have faced some challenges. We told you last year, and we told you at the half-year results that PGMS would be in transition for a while as we upgrade our refineries. We have had some issues in our refineries, and we're going to talk about those. Alastair is going to talk about those a little bit later. What's really important is we're managing those issues, and they do not come at the expense of our guidance. They do not come at the expense of cash. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:03:09You can see we've delivered on our guidance this year, we're completely committed to delivering on our guidance for 2027, 2028, which, as we'll talk to later, is excluding some of the movements on the portfolio side that we will be talking about as we go through. What's really important for us as we manage that transition with platinum group metals is our single biggest CapEx investment ever in our new refinery. We're pretty far advanced now with this. It's been ongoing for quite a while. It is going to cost more CapEx. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:03:46Alastair is going to talk about this as well. We're very confident now in the timeline will be operational next year. This is really important from an efficiency, from a working capital point of view, from a sustainability point of view. This is on track to be operational next year. Really important for us. Catalyst Technologies, I know there's great interest in this. Catalyst Technologies, we are in the final stage now of approval. We only have the Chinese regulatory outstanding. There are no more questions. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:04:21There are no more requests for information. The market assessment has been done. There's no complaints out there. This is just going through the process, and we are very confident that this will be wrapped up along the timelines that we've indicated, and then we will be returning GBP 1 billion to shareholders as promised. The final piece, bigger news today, was the acquisition of Cormetech, which is a market leader in SCR catalysts in the U.S. for stationary emission control. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:04:55Like we are a global market leader in automotive emission control, Cormetech is a market leader in stationary emission control and is benefiting tremendously from the rapid growth of data centers because that's where all their growth is coming from. They're doing emission control for data centers, in essence, cleaning the cloud. We'll talk about this today in a bit more detail, particularly also because it's breaking news. Before I hand over to Alastair to take us through the financial details today, just a couple of points about how we're reshaping the group because there is a lot going on. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:05:37Overall, we've had a strong focus on what we call controlling the controllables. A lot of this is about managing cost. We have reduced the executive leadership team from nine to six. That's a one-third reduction. You can see replications of this throughout the organization. Makes us leaner, makes us faster, very honestly, and I personally think it makes us a lot better. We've had a significant reduction in corporate function headcount as well. We're just getting much more efficient. Using technology to automate a lot more. We're seeing strong benefits here. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:06:17We've aligned our incentives to our targets very tightly. 80% of our incentives are OP or cash focused, 80%. Basically what we're saying, what we're committing to is what we're being incentivized on. I think in times like this, there could be concerns that maybe some of these efforts are maybe not going to reflect well from a customer point of view or from an employee point of view. Actually, quite to the contrary, we have seen a very significant increase in our net promoter score. Our net promoter score was already very strong. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:06:58Anything above 40 is a strong net promoter score. It's increased to 47, and the reason for that is we're doing a better job with our customers and helping them tap into value. A lot of our customers are struggling on the margin side, and we're taking a full cost approach and helping them manage their business better. That's reflecting better back to us than in a perception of how we're doing, and that's why this score is going up. We spoke in the past a lot about improving commercial muscle. That's a reflection of what you can see here. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:07:29On the employee side, when you have a lot of change, it is demanding. It's tough, and you need very resilient employees to get through this. Normally, your engagement scores come down when you're going through lots of change. You can see our engagement score has actually gone up and gone up quite significantly. This is really a shout-out to our employees doing an absolute fantastic job, super resilient and highly committed to delivering on the strategy that we have outlined last year. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:08:03That just a summary of kind of the progress that we're making so far, some of the elements that we're dealing with. Now Alastair is going to take you through the details of the past financial year. Over to you, Alastair. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:08:18Thank you, Liam, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to be here to report results for the first time in my new role. For those of you who don't know me, I joined Johnson Matthey as finance director for Clean Air. I became CEO of the Platinum Group Metal Services business, and more recently, I've been head of strategy. This is a business I know well. We delivered a solid performance in 2025/2026 with growth in underlying operating profit, margin, and cash generation. Our results are on a continued basis excluding Catalyst Technologies. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:08:54Sales were down 7%, mainly as a result of soft market conditions in key markets in Clean Air. Despite this, underlying operating profit was up 14%. Excluding metal prices, underlying operating profit grew 6%, in line with guidance driven largely by cost efficiencies across the group. Earnings per share increased 16% to GBP 1.285, reflecting the higher profit, but also a lower share count following our buyback program in 2024/2025. Free cash flow of GBP 168 million was a material step-up for the prior year as we intensify our focus on cash generation. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:09:42Net debt increased to GBP 880 million and remains at 1.8x EBITDA, and we are announcing a final dividend of GBP 0.55 per share, bringing the total dividend to GBP 0.77 in line with last year. Looking at the rest of the income statement on an underlying basis, as mentioned, underlying profit was up 14% at GBP 340 million. Finance charges increased to GBP 69 million as benefits in the prior year did not repeat and effective interest rates increased due to funding mix changes. As a result, underlying profit before tax grew 11% to GBP 271 million. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:10:28We expect finance charges this year to be broadly in line with 2025/2026. The adjusted underlying tax charge was GBP 55 million, an effective rate of 20.3%. This year, we expect an effective tax rate of 25%-27%. This mainly reflects the impact of the sale of Catalyst Technologies on our profitability in the U.K. and on the U.K. underlying effective tax rate. On a reported basis, we recognized impairment and restructuring charges of GBP 192 million. The impairments largely relate to the slowdown in the fuel cell and electrolyser markets. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:11:20We have recalibrated our growth expectations in Hydrogen Technologies and as a result, we have fully impaired the remaining GBP 88 million of fixed assets in this business, alongside GBP 33 million of related assets in PGMS services. We also recognize smaller impairments relating to the closure of our China refinery in PGM Services and consolidation of our manufacturing footprint in Clean Air. Restructuring charges of GBP 57 million reflect the actions we're taking to streamline our processes and rightsize our group. Turning now to each business. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:12:03Overall sales in Clean Air decreased 7%. Light-duty diesel sales were down 5%, driven by Europe, which saw further penetration of battery electric vehicles and gasoline hybrids. Our performance in light-duty gasoline was impacted by market share losses, largely due to the phase-out of platforms in Europe and a weaker platform mix in China. We've made good progress winning new hybrid business in gasoline, and Liam will talk about that later. In heavy-duty diesel, sales declined 6%, driven by North America, where the Class 8 truck market was impacted by tariffs and uncertainty around incoming emissions regulation EPA 2027. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:12:52We expect market demand to recover this year in the U.S. with improved visibility of these rules. Despite lower sales, operating profit grew 12%, and margins increased from 11.8% to 14.5% as our focus on cost reduction, including operational excellence and footprint consolidation, feeds through into performance. This underpins our confidence in margins reaching 16%-18% in 2027, 2028. In PGM Services, sales were down 11%, and operating profit decreased 20%. Our refining business was impacted by a GBP 48 million operational metal loss, recognized when we completed a stock take at our U.S. refinery in the second half. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:13:47This led to the drop in both sales and profit. We conduct stock takes every two years, so this loss relates to the full two-year period since the previous stock take. While it's normal to recognize some losses as part of this process, on this occasion they were significantly higher, with around half of the increase driven by higher metal prices. We expect this to come down in the near term as we accelerate our operational excellence initiatives and transform our refining operations. For prudence, we are still recognizing higher loss provisions this year. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:14:28Our performance in refining was partly offset by a stronger trading performance, supported by higher and more volatile metal prices. In Hydrogen Technologies, sales grew 18% to GBP 71 million, largely driven by fuel cells, while electrolyser sales doubled from a low base. We restructured this business at the end of 2024, 2025, taking out headcount and reducing cost, which led to a smaller operating loss of GBP 90 million. Importantly, as you heard from Liam, we achieved run rate breakeven in the fourth quarter as guided. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:15:08We are managing this market in line with market development and will continue to take out cost while maintaining our long-term growth optionality. Turning now to cash. On a like-for-like basis, we delivered a cash flow of GBP 168 million, up from GBP 64 million in the prior year. The increase was driven by higher EBITDA as a result of cost reduction, as well as lower CapEx and restructuring charges. We delivered cost savings of around GBP 70 million, largely in Clean Air and corporate. CapEx was GBP 62 million lower than the prior year at GBP 239 million, and we continue to make improvements in working capital. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:15:54After a strong year in 2024, 2025, we delivered another inflow of GBP 135 million last year. Once our new PGM refinery is complete, we expect CapEx to come down to around GBP 120 million in 2027, 2028, below depreciation. In 2026, 2027, we expect CapEx of around GBP 230 million, an increase on our previous guidance of GBP 140 million. This is due to higher spend in the new refinery. We told you in November that the fit-out of the building had been slower than expected due to industrial action by some of our subcontractors in 2025. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:16:40The return to normal operations took longer than expected, while productivity has now increased to target levels, this has impacted our fit-out, particularly installation of the pipework, a complex and largely manual process involving installing 50 km of piping. We are therefore investing in significantly more resource, including running three shifts a day and adding in specialist contractors to ensure the refinery is operational in 2027 as planned. With our recent progress on improving working capital, we have identified additional opportunities which will help offset the increased cost of capital next year. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:17:24For example, with greater operational excellence and agility in our Clean Air plants, we can now bring down our levels of inventory without impacting customer service or impacting the important net promoter score Liam mentioned earlier. This will allow us to deliver further improvement on free cash flow this year from GBP 168 million towards our target of at least GBP 250 million by 2027, 2028. Moving on to capital allocation. As you know, we have a disciplined policy with three clear priorities. The first is organic investment, where, as you have heard, we expect CapEx to come down materially following completion of our new refinery. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:18:10Our second priority is to deliver materially enhanced shareholder returns. We have committed to increasing ongoing returns to at least GBP 200 million in respect of 2026, 2027 and beyond. We also expect to return GBP 1 billion of net proceeds from the sale of Catalyst Technologies this year. GBP 800 million through a special dividend with share consolidation and the remaining GBP 200 million via share buyback. Our third priority is inorganic investment. You've already heard from Liam about the acquisition of Cormetech, which brings new capabilities and scale to our Clean Air Solutions business. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:18:51This acquisition is earnings accretive pre-synergies from year one and supports our growth in CapEx generation moving forward. Liam will talk more about this later. Taking into account this acquisition, together with the sale of Catalyst Technologies and associated shareholder returns, we expect pro forma net debt to EBITDA to remain at around 1.8x at the end of March 2027. We are committed to our target range of 1x-1.5x and expect to reach this by the end of March 2029 as we drive operating margins and stronger cash generation. Turning now to the 2026/2027 outlook. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:19:36Assuming constant currency and metal prices, we expect low to mid-single digit growth in operating profit, excluding Catalyst Technologies and Cormetech. Looking at each business, we expect Clean Air to deliver good growth in operating profit and further margin improvement driven by efficiencies. In Hydrogen Technologies, we expect to be at operating profit breakeven. In PGM Services, we anticipate operating profit in line with 2025/2026, as higher loss provisions in our U.S. refinery, as well as lower metal recoveries and higher maintenance costs in our existing U.K. refinery, will be offset by a reduction in overall operational metal losses in the U.S. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:20:23If metal prices remain at current levels, we also anticipate a benefit of GBP 25 million to support performance in PGM Services. Assuming constant exchange rates, we expect an adverse impact of GBP 2 million for the group from foreign exchange. Finally, as mentioned, we anticipate further improvement in free cash flow towards our 2027/2028 target of at least GBP 250 million. We do not see any material impact from the Middle East in 2025/2026. Our direct exposure to the region, excluding Catalyst Technologies, is negligible and our energy costs are well hedged in the short term. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:21:08Long-term indirect impacts on demand supply chains in the broader market are difficult to predict given current geopolitical uncertainty and these are not included in our guidance. To conclude, we delivered a solid performance in 2025/2026 with growth in operating margin, profit and cash generation. We continue to focus on driving cost efficiencies, lowering CapEx and managing our working capital. We plan to deliver return to shareholders of at least GBP 200 million in respect of 2026/2027 and beyond. With that, I will hand back to Liam. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:21:51Great. Thanks a lot, Alastair Judge. We're leaving the past financial year and are now going to go into the go-forward piece, and I'm going to go through our various businesses and take a particular deep dive then on the Cormetech acquisition. Just a brief reminder for any of you who are new to the story, our strategy is very much about focusing on our core strengths, which is PGMS at the core and emission control. These are the two areas where we are world-class. We have a circular business model. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:22:26We manufacture products with precious metals, we recycle them and we trade the metals on behalf of our customers. That's what makes us strong. Really strong positions in Clean Air and PGMs per se. We have three areas of growth within the strategy embedded in the various businesses. PGM products, new applications beyond the automotive catalyst, Hydrogen Technologies components for electrolyzers and fuel cells, and Clean Air Solutions is the piece that we'll talk about in relation to Cormetech today. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:23:02First, if we go to Clean Air, just a brief reminder of where we are, the midterm outlook. Our target for 2027/2028 is at least GBP 2 billion in sales. What's really important is over 95% of that volume has already been won. Very strong confidence here. You can see from our portfolio, it's actually about 80% diesel and over time the heavy-duty diesel part, which continues to grow for the next 10 years, will actually become the strongest component of this portfolio. Targeting a 16%-18% margin for the 2027-2028 frame and given where we've landed in the past financial year, we have a very high confidence in achieving that. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:23:51Looking at how we're going to maintain our position, we have an exceptionally strong win rate on the diesel side, so we feel very good about maintaining our overall or strengthening our market position there. Our weakness has traditionally been on the light-duty gasoline side, which was de-emphasized many years ago. Because of that we've been losing market share and platform simply because we weren't focusing in that space. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:24:18This strategy was recalibrated a few years ago where we decided to focus in on growth areas within light-duty gasoline, not the mass kind of light-duty gasoline, which can sometimes, from a margin point of view, be unattractive, but really the growth areas with a much more attractive profitability and specifically hybrids. In the past year, we've actually won nine hybrid platforms in Europe, and that represents 25% of the total projected market for 2028, 2029 in Europe. That 25% is punching significantly above our weight from a market share point of view. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:25:00You can expect a turnaround there in the go-forward hybrid market share off the back of the contracts that we have won in the past 12 months. Our strategy is really to help our OEMs to have strategic partnerships with select OEMs. We don't work with everybody. The ones that we work with, we work with very closely, and as you saw earlier from the net promoter score, they appreciate working with us, we appreciate working with them, and we run this in a way that there's mutual benefits on both sides. Looking at the margin, what gives us confidence that this is going to continue to increase going forward? Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:25:45The levers, the drivers behind that margin improvement. Clearly, as the market matures there's less need for R&D. Still need R&D, it's just less than what you would need if you're constantly innovating in that space. Less need for SG&A. That will continue going forward. Overall corporate headcount will be reduced further as we rightsize the company post the exit of CT. With less corporate function headcount, you get less corporate recharges for Clean Air that will automatically benefit the margin as well. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:26:21We've been optimizing the manufacturing processes, just running things in a more streamlined manner. Our footprint consolidation continues. We took out another two production lines in the last 12 months. You recall a few years ago, we had 16 plants and 50, five-zero, lines. Today, we're down to 11 plants and 20 lines. Target state is probably about six plants. You can see the trajectory. How that evolves depends on the pace of market evolution. We're pretty agile here and feel very confident in our ability to reach this 16%-18% margin. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:27:07On PGMs, there's three parts to this business, the refining side, the products side, and between both of them that's kind of the bulk of the business. We have a very attractive trading part of the business as well, and in times of high volatility, that typically will generate relatively more profitability as well. We're the world's biggest recycler, and this is the piece, that refining piece is the part that we are upgrading and have been now for a while, and upgrading until next year. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:27:43That's why we talk about the transitional phase of PGMS because it's really important with the older assets that we're running, that we upgrade these to be state-of-the-art, modern, efficient, and that costs a bit of money. Again, it doesn't come at the expense of our ability to deliver on our guidance. This is something that we just manage through. The previous targets that we set out, at least GBP 450 million sales 2027, 2028, circa 30% operating margin 2027, 2028 they remain absolutely in place. They are absolutely what we are targeting and very confident of achieving. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:28:27A key part of this, and Alastair has spoken to it already, the new PGM refinery. We do hope at some stage we can take you around there. We're not going to take you anytime soon because we don't want you getting in the way of the people who are installing the pipes because we really want them to stick on schedule now. We already started early stage commissioning in March. That was important. We've got about 70% of the equipment already installed. Not on site, installed. We've got almost all the equipment is basically on site already. This is making really good progress. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:29:10The piping part is the piece that Alastair alluded to where it's just complex by nature. Given the amount of resource that we're putting behind it now, we're very confident in the timeline that we've outlined. Our plan is to take down the old refinery in the fourth quarter of calendar year next year. We will only take down the old refinery when the new refinery is completely up and running. That gives you kind of a timescale of how we're thinking about when this becomes operational. We'll start it up stage by stage, metal by metal. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:29:47It won't be just press one button and the whole thing works. We will go through this very methodically. We've got a lot of experience in this, and that's the plan on the new PGM refinery. On track for next year. I've showed you in that one slide we've got the three components, and we've spoken in the past a lot about Hydrogen Technologies. Market is slow still at the moment, so we're managing what we can manage. We're still convinced. Basically, there will be a strong market for green hydrogen because you cannot decarbonize heavy industry without it. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:30:33It's just a question of when will the economics work and when will the market really kick in. That's taking a while, but we are very well-positioned and winning new customers in this space. A lot of new projects starting, but they're all still early stage. This is still a pretty nascent business for us, but we're running it at breakeven. PGM products we've spoken about extensively before. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:30:58You'll probably have seen our latest collaboration with some of the key miners, Valterra, Sibanye-Stillwater, where in essence, they are co-funding our research and development to find new applications for PGMs, which is a very exciting development that Louise can talk to a bit more. A lot going on here. The piece that we're going to double-click on today is Clean Air Solutions, because we haven't really spoken about it yet, and we've got a lot to speak about on this one. The background here is, we've had this business called Clean Air Solutions kind of hidden in Clean Air for quite a while. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:31:45A couple of years, or a few years, we've had this business, this is stationary emission control by and large. We're a world leader in automotive emission control, stuff that's moving around. Stationary is typically used on power plants, utilities, and data centers. The piece where we have typically played in the past, and this goes back to our heritage, is think about us as the kings of diesel engines, from an emission control point of view. We do the emission control for the diesel engine, and the diesel engine is often a backup for a data center. Data centers are running 24/7. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:32:32They can never go down. They have to have a backup. That's a nice niche-y type space that we've been playing in. The really juicy part of the market is less about the backup, it's more about primary supply, and typically, your primary supply should be coming from the electricity grid. The reality is the electricity grid cannot cope with the demands of AI, the energy demands of AI. If you're building a new data center today and you want to get connected to the grid, you're going to be told you have to wait five to eight years. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:33:11You tell a hyperscaler to wait five to eight years, and they'll say, No, I will solve that problem myself. I will build my own microgrid on-site, and I will do that with a gas turbine engine, and I will generate my own electricity on-site. That is exactly what is happening in the U.S. That's what's driving this market. You have a need from the hyperscalers to test and run their models, which requires endless amounts of energy. They can't get enough from the grid, so they're building their own microgrids on-site with gas turbines. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:33:47The company that we're going to talk about, Cormetech, is basically the market leader in that space for gas turbine emission control. That's why we're so excited about this company. With that, we can combine primary emission control from an energy generation point of view and backup, and that opens up completely new possibilities as well. Overall, I hope you can get a sense this is quite exciting stuff for us. The really important thing is this is close to home. This is emission control. This is stuff we've been doing for decades. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:34:23This SCR selective catalytic reduction technology is something we've been doing as well for decades, but we've been doing it for diesel engines. Cormetech has been doing it primarily for gas turbines, and they have a lot of IP around this. This is highly complementary from our point of view. Market is growing rapidly. There's a huge distributed power generation market out there for people who can't rely on the grid. The main focus of demand right now, the one that's just going through the roof, is of course, data centers, and it's primarily focused in the U.S. today. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:35:04Because of desires for AI sovereignty all over the world, you're going to see this replicated throughout the world. Many opportunities in here for us. What we're paying is $360 million. This is approximately a 10x multiple on the 2026 calendar year EBITDA. There is an additional earn-out of up to GBP 100 million, which is based on very ambitious revenue targets for 2027, 2028, which we really hope the Cormetech team will achieve. This is quite spectacular growth planned in. It is, of course, subject to customary regulatory approval. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:35:49De facto, this is only relevant in the U.S. In contrast, for example, to the CT deal, where we had to go through 12 different regulatory authorities, this one is only relevant in the U.S. Given the high complementarity of the nature, we expect no issues, and we expect this to be a pretty quick process. I mentioned we've already been in this space for a while. We've never opened it because very honestly, when you compare with Clean Air, you'd say, this is too small to talk, or had been too small to talk about. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:36:27We held back on basically sharing what this Clean Air Solutions piece for Johnson Matthey is. Minus Cormetech, just what we do today. Here you get a sense of what the dimension of this business is. In the past financial year, already GBP 67 million, close to GBP 70 million, not dollars, and an operating profit of GBP 10 million. Profit of GBP 10 million. This is already a highly attractive business. This, same as Cormetech, is actually growing really fast. We've recently secured with two engine manufacturers in the U.S. We have secured GBP 300 million in sales for the medium term going forward. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:37:18There's a great dynamic in this business for JM anyway, that very honestly we would have spoken about without Cormetech for the first time today. It's just with the combination with Cormetech, this really starts to get critical mass and really starts to get interesting for JM going forward. This is the shape of the JM part of the business. The Cormetech part of the business, as I say, think primary power generation, emission control for that. You can see here, the last 12 months sales, GBP 104 million in sales, GBP 16 million EBITDA. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:37:57You can see from the projection for 2026, a huge increase in that. It's $180 million projected in sales for this year and $35 million EBITDA. Cormetech has a track record for the last five years of very strong growth. This is compounding. Then think about adding this with our piece of the pie, and you get to at least GBP 200 million kind of financial year-end. You get to at least GBP 200 million in sales and a margin that is clearly significantly accretive to the JM group margin. I hope that kind of puts in context also why we're so excited about this. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:38:43A lot of long-term relationships for Cormetech. Cormetech's been around since 1989. Their customers are usually returning customers. The vast majority of them are returning customers. They have, and this is really important, also a recurring element to the sales model. If you sell a catalyst for a backup diesel engine, you're probably going to sell it once because the diesel engine's not going to be running all the time, so the catalyst is going to last longer. If you're in the primary power generation market, these things are running 24/7, massive energy loads. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:39:24At some stage, the honeycomb with the catalyst needs to be replaced every few years, like with industrial catalysts. You have a recurring sales model. If you're winning business now, you know in a few years you're getting that business again, and there's a service element to this business. This again, kind of feeds into why we are so excited about this business. We have strong visibility on the growth that's coming. There's a contracted order book for GBP 300 million up to 2027. I think what's important to understand here is, typically, you buy the catalyst more or less at the end of the purchase process. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:40:17If you think about the purchase process for a gas turbine, these are very big and expensive engines. It'll take a while to install them. Anyway, it takes a while to procure them, takes a while to install them. At that point in time where you're buying the gas turbine, you don't buy the catalyst. You buy it rather towards the end because you want the fresh catalyst. You might place an order, you'll really only purchase at the end. These are purchases where the big investment has already been made by somebody. Typically, these are hyperscalers who are investing all this CapEx. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:40:56At the end, you get this sale coming in and then the recurring sale in later years. You can easily see how you could compound this number. There's a pipeline of GBP 1 billion already visible to us, and this is all standalone. There's nothing in synergies in here. We think there's a lot of synergies, but this is just Cormetech standalone. Great pipeline in there. This just gives you a picture, first time, of the combined business, what it would look like. Of course, we'll go into further detail when we have completed the deal. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:41:35After we have completed, we'll share more with you and we'll give more guidance on this, but just kind of directionally to let you know what it looks like. You see from a geographic point of view, strong focus in the U.S. Why is that? All of this business right now is primarily driven by data centers, and that's where the center of the world is right now. That will be replicated throughout the world. That geographic kind of differentiation will happen over time. The most attractive, also from a value point of view, the highest growth, most attractive market is U.S. That's where we have the strongest lock at the moment. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:42:15On the customer side, variety of customers. We're not only serving the data centers. The data centers is the fastest growth, highest value opportunity, but it's utilities, it's industrial, it's marine. Again, think distributed power generation. You're not getting enough power from the grid. You got to solve it yourself with an on-site solution. That's what we're solving for here. You can see from a tech point of view, we basically cover all angles. We've got the natural gas turbines, diesel engines, natural gas engines, coal power plants. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:42:52Depending on what fuel is being used, we will offer an emissions control solution. These engines, typically the new ones, are fuel agnostic. If methanol is developed, if ammonia is developed, hydrogen is developed, these can run on these fuels as well, and we will also have the emission control solution for that, too. Key point here is we as JM have a lot of IP in this space. Cormetech has a lot of IP in this space. This is a very strong combined business that will really help solve customers' needs because customers need to solve their nitrogen oxide pollution problems in the data center, which is the strength of Cormetech. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:43:43They need to also avoid carbon monoxide and volatile organic compounds in the data center. That's core strength of JM. We can do that in one combined offering going forward, which today hasn't been possible to the extent that you would want, particularly in the primary market. Finally, on this piece, we do see a lot of course, financial benefits from this. We see synergies of about GBP 20 million, run rate synergies of GBP 20 million by 2030, 70% revenue, 30% cost. Why is that? Where is that? It's really quite easy. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:44:34Think of, again, Cormetech gas turbine. They have the SCR catalyst. We have an oxidation catalyst that whoever is running the data center also needs, so we can sell JM products to their customers. Equally, Cormetech is basically only in the U.S. We have a global footprint. We can sell their products to our customers around the world as well. On top, we can develop a combined offering for new customers. We think from a synergy point of view, there is lots of room here for us to move forward. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:45:13As Alastair already mentioned, this deal is EPS accretive from the first year, even without any synergies. We think highly attractive. The ROIC will be exceeded within three years of completion. Alastair's already pointed out we'll be very disciplined on the net leverage going forward and remain very disciplined with strong cash generation improving the position over time. That was basically it. One or two final points. We have shared with you in the past our overview of milestones. These are commitments beyond just the financial numbers to give you a sense, are we on track or not? Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:46:00We will continue to update you with these. We think it's important because first and foremost, we got to run the underlying business as successfully as possible. We're very excited about Cormetech is an add-on, that the fundamental part is running the core business as successfully as possible and having an additional boost there with Cormetech. That cannot come at the expense of the core business. We're very clear on our priorities here. The good news is we're on track with all of our commitments so far. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:46:34There have been challenges on the way, as you've seen from our results today, we're managing those challenges. We're completely committed to the commitments that we have made to you and to the market with the midterm, with a mid-single-digit CAGR and OP underlying CAGR and OP by 2027, 2028, the GBP 250 million free cash flow and the GBP 200 million annual returns to shareholders split relatively equally, probably between dividends and share buybacks. That is a firm commitment. That's all without Cormetech. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:47:14Going forward, we'll give further guidance, but you can take that as an absolute firm commitment from us. Nothing changes in that regard. On top, you have the GBP 1 billion returns from the CT sale this year on top of whatever else we're promising here. As you can see from the presentation today, we are not just milking the business. We are also reshaping the portfolio to ensure sustainable value creation, not just short and medium term, but also in the long term. A lot of moving parts. I'm sure you've got lots of questions. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:47:51Together with Alastair and my team, we're looking very forward to answering them. Big thanks to you for your attention today, and we can kick off with the Q&A. Thank you. Do a bit of advertising for Coke Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:48:20Excellent. Thank you, Liam, Alastair, for the presentation. We'll firstly take questions in the room, then we'll go to the webcast. Just as a reminder, please state your name and your company when you ask the question. Alex, we'll go to you first. Alex O'HanlonAnalyst at Panmure Liberum00:48:36Good morning. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:48:36Just wait for the mic. Thank you. Alex O'HanlonAnalyst at Panmure Liberum00:48:38Sorry. Good morning. Alex O'Hanlon from Panmure Liberum. Congratulations on a good set of numbers, given all the things you've had to manage and the Cormetech acquisition. Could I start with the Cormetech acquisition? Obviously, it's the big news this morning. You mentioned the GBP 1 billion sales pipeline. Could you give us a bit more color around that? How much of that is with customers that Cormetech already has relationships, and how confident are you on winning, I guess, your fair share of that? Alex O'HanlonAnalyst at Panmure Liberum00:49:11The next question is just on LDG. You mentioned the good progress that you've made there after the refocus on that business in Clean Air. I guess the question is, what have you done differently that's helped you improve those win rates? Or just a bit more color around that. Cheers. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:49:27Yeah, sure. Thanks a lot, Alex. On the Cormetech pipeline, about 85% of that pipeline is returning sales. These are customers. Typically, Cormetech has very long-term relationships with their customers. The current estimate is about 85% is already established customers as opposed to new customers. That's how we're thinking about the pipeline or from the data that we've seen from due diligence. We will, as we go forward, can give you more details around that once we've been able to look further deeper into it. It's a pipeline where there's a high degree of confidence, and this is almost all data center driven. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:50:16We're not even tapping into the other potential markets. The full focus is on data center at this point in time. On LDG, the turnaround in hybrid really started a few years ago with the recalibration to say, actually we have competitive technology, but we had de-emphasized it. We can't afford to play everywhere in the LDG space. It was a very deliberate strategy to say what's going to grow. We considered particularly hybrid to be highly attractive. Growth rate going forward is like 5% for the next 10 years, and that's a space where the value of the catalytic converter is the same as an internal combustion engine for us. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:51:10It's a much smaller one, but the value is basically the same for us. It's quite an attractive space to be in. We've basically, with those nine platforms that we've won, we've started to establish a reputation then in the industry, and then it kind of becomes a virtuous circle. I think it's the hard work over multiple years now, starting with very good technology, competitive, our ability to improve on the PGM loading side, which really helps customers on the cost side, and just reestablishing with customers at a personal human key account level, the relationship with key OEMs again. Alex O'HanlonAnalyst at Panmure Liberum00:51:55Perfect. Thank you. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:51:58Tristan. Come to the front. Thank you. Tristan LamotteAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:52:04Hi. Tristan Lamotte, Deutsche Bank. I was wondering if you could give a little bit more color on the kind of GBP 48 million one-off that pushed down PGMS earnings this year. I'm just wondering, because there are a few kind of temporary feeling impacts in PGMS, last year, guided this year, and I guess they kind of drop out in FY 2028. What kind of a reversion should we expect upwards in FY 2028? How should we think about that profile? Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:52:39On the metal losses, first of all. Look, I mean, I think all manufacturing businesses have some metal losses in their system. I think in our refineries, some metal gets trapped through it. Every couple of years, what we do is we close down the plants, and we do a complete count of everything, and we compare the count to the estimates we've made of metal yield. If there's a difference, we book the loss. We ran the stock count at the second half of last year, and the results showed that the metal yields were lower than we'd estimated, which means we had to recognize the loss. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:53:09I think within that, there's probably three things I'd say, Tristan. The first is, even at constant volumes, we were going to have a bigger number because metal prices went up so highly in the second half of the year. On a constant volume basis, that probably doubled the value of the losses. We've also had some sort of challenges with the more variable feeds coming in and some challenges with managing the assets in the U.S. That's also led to a higher volume. They're the causes of it. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:53:36We've got a very clear program in place in West Deptford, taking some of the learnings we've had from the old refinery in the U.K., which is selectively renewing some of the assets and improving the operating processes. Those will drop off over time. We're very confident that as we move forward, the level of yield will get back to more historic norms. We're taking a prudent view in 2027 of assuming that those metal losses continue, and so that will dampen profits in 2027, as we've discussed, and will leave the profits more or less flat year-on-year. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:54:06As we move into 2028 and we move through the new refinery in the U.K. and we resolve the issues in West Deptford, we're very confident of the GBP 450 million guidance at 30%+ operating margins that we've spoken about today. That will come through as we get through FY 2028. Tristan LamotteAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:54:22The GBP 450 is before metal price impact, right? Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:54:25Yes. Tristan LamotteAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:54:27Which is quite impressive. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:54:27Yes, that's good. Next year we're guiding to flat underlying, but with a GBP 25 million upside from metal prices on top of that. Those metal prices will continue for as long as metal prices remain as high as they are today. Tristan LamotteAnalyst at Deutsche Bank00:54:40Got it. Thank you. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:54:41Okay. Thanks, Tristan. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey00:54:44Maybe just behind you, Sebastian. Thank you. Sebastian BrayAnalyst at Berenberg Bank00:54:47Thank you. Good morning. Sebastian Bray of Berenberg Bank. I had a question on Cormetech, which is the business has quite nice growth outlook, but the 65% EBITDA CAGR mentioned versus 2020 implies that the business was quite close to EBITDA breakeven in that year. I appreciate 2020 is an unusual year for several reasons, but why historically was the profitability of a business, let's say, low to mid-single-digit EBITDA margins, and what has changed apart from operating leverage? Sebastian BrayAnalyst at Berenberg Bank00:55:20My other question is on the total cost of new PGM refineries. Is this disclosed now? Is it something like GBP 350 million-GBP 400 million net of the incremental GBP 90 million investment? Finally, Clean Air margins, big step up H2 versus H1. I think over 200 basis points. Is there any reason in terms of phasing of cost savings why this number doesn't become 18%, 19%+, if the group targets for cost savings can largely be transposed across to Clean Air? Thank you. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:55:57Thanks a lot, Sebastian. You got a lot in there for one shot. Let's start with Cormetech. Of course, we don't understand everything that was happening at Cormetech as you can imagine in 2020. I think the key point is there was a change in management in 2022. Basically, there was a refocus of what they were doing. I think this was more or less a kind of stable, relatively low-growth company at that point in time. They saw the opportunity in data centers and focused the business on that. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:56:38Did a much better job of controlling their costs, and that ultimately has led to the significant increase in CAGR. I think it was more the 2022-2026 timeframe where the jump has been, as opposed to 2020 and 2021. That was due to new management. I think what's important is there is a very successful management team in there right now, led by a lady called Patricia Martinez. She's the CEO. That team will continue in charge running the business. They are incentivized to stay on with the earn-out. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:57:20It's in our interest to make them as successful as possible. We'll be sticking with that team and sticking with those high growth rates going forward is the intent. That may be on Cormetech and on the PGMS. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:57:32Yeah. I think Sebastian, on PGMS, I think we previously guided to about GBP 350 million. I think the GBP 19 million increase in capital guidance this year is primarily around the PGM refinery. We would expect that to be nearer GBP 450 million as it's complete. On the H2 Clean Air marginLook, Clean Air always has stronger H2 than H1 margins. I think that's what we've seen in the past. What we will see is the growth we saw in both H1 and H2 margins rolling forward as we continue to improve the margins from 14.5% full year this year towards that 16%-18% range. Alastair JudgeCFO at Johnson Matthey00:58:12There's always an H1, H2 split, partly driven by the volume of business that generally comes through in the second half versus the first half. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:58:22We like your challenge now. We'll see if we can go for it. Sebastian BrayAnalyst at Berenberg Bank00:58:26Thank you. John CampbellAnalyst at Bank of America00:58:30Hello. It's John Campbell with Bank of America. I've got three quick questions. Could you maybe be a little bit more specific or give further details on the conditions required for the Cormetech GBP 100 million earn-out? Second of all, when do you expect to have Chinese antitrust approval for Catalyst Technologies acknowledging that you expect it to still be overall on time? John CampbellAnalyst at Bank of America00:58:54Third, you've won basically, I guess, new contracts in hybrids and light-duty gasoline. Would you say it's realistic to assume that in the coming years you might be able to actually outperform maybe the overall underlying volume of production in light-duty gasoline? Thank you. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey00:59:11Thanks a lot, John. Let me start with Cormetech. On the earn-out, we won't go into the contractual details, in essence it's a revenue-based earn-out for the years 2027, 2028. If very ambitious targets are hit, which are significantly higher than what's in the plan, they will achieve that earn-out. That earn-out would be paid at the end of 2028 for the previous year and at the end of 2029. That's kind of the construct that we have. We think it's in our mutual interest to have that. Gives a great incentive for management to push harder and go faster. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey01:00:00It's revenue based and there's lots of kind of conditions in there as you can imagine, to make sure for both sides that it's reasonable. On China CT, nothing has changed on the timeline. We have a long stop date is in August. There's a first checkpoint in July, and that can be extended into August. The latest that we would expect approval is in August calendar year 2026, and we remain firmly on track for that at the latest. On LDG market share over time, I think the confusing thing, and it is hard to decipher for the market, if you look at current stats, we'd be losing market share in light-duty gasoline because of platforms that have been lost several years ago. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey01:01:01We're now winning platforms that come in with the new kind of EPA 2027 onwards. You see that in the market from 2028 onwards. That's when you see a turnaround in market share. What you could expect is that we'll be probably slight decline, and then gradually pick up with these new hybrid wins that we have on the light-duty gasoline side, would be the trajectory to expect. John CampbellAnalyst at Bank of America01:01:34Thank you. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey01:01:36Just check for any more questions in the room before we move to the webcast. In terms of the webcast questions, we're back to Cormetech, the question comes from Chetan Udeshi at JPMorgan. It's about the competitive market dynamics. I would have thought incumbent auto cat players would also have a good presence in the stationary catalyst market. Do engine players such as Cummins, for example, have their own stationary catalyst business? It feels like this might be a more fragmented marketplace, so how does it compare to the oligopoly nature of Clean Air? Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey01:02:13Yeah, it's a good point. Cummins, as an example, Cummins is actually one of the biggest customers of Clean Air Solutions, JM, today. We actually do the emission control for a company like Cummins. If you think about SCR catalysts and the competition space, it is typically the companies who are catalyst players. A Umicore, a Ceram, partially BASF, would be those types of companies who would be the players in this space. Nobody has a competitive offering like Cormetech for primary emission control in data centers. That's the key differentiation. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey01:03:03The second question was back to the Catalyst Technologies deal. I know we've touched on that. The specific question was, do you have a plan B in case that CT approval is not achieved on time? Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey01:03:15Well, we're very confident that it will be approved, and we have ring-fenced the business. We've carved out CT. We're running it as a standalone business, and we expect to hand it over to Honeywell then once the regulatory closes. Louise CurranHead of Investor Relations at Johnson Matthey01:03:36I think from our side, that's so far it on the webcast questions. We'll just do a final check in the room before we wrap up. I think that's good. I think those are all the questions today. Thank you very much everyone in the room and also on the web for your interest, and hopefully we'll see as many of you as possible over the coming weeks and days on the road shows. Thank you for your attention this morning. Liam CondonCEO at Johnson Matthey01:04:02Thanks a lot, folks. 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