Suncor Energy Q1 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Record operational performance — upstream production reached 875,000 b/d (highest Q1 ever), refining throughput was 498,000 b/d, and product sales hit 681,000 b/d, underpinning more reliable cash flow.
  • Positive Sentiment: Strong Q1 financials and shareholder returns — adjusted funds from operations of CAD 4 billion and free funds flow of CAD 2.9 billion, with CAD 1.5 billion returned to shareholders and buybacks increased to CAD 350 million per month.
  • Positive Sentiment: Ambitious long‑term plan from Investor Day — large resource base (2P 7 billion barrels, 30 billion barrels contingent), shift toward higher‑margin in‑situ growth (targeting a 400k b/d portfolio at ~CAD 30k/flowing barrel) and goals to add ~100k b/d, cut CAD 5/bbl of breakeven, and deliver CAD 2 billion in additional free funds flow.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Working capital and balance sheet timing — a Q1 working capital build of ~CAD 1.7 billion temporarily increased net debt by ~CAD 500 million, though management says much has since been released and leverage remains within the 1x cash‑flow guardrail at $50 WTI.
  • Negative Sentiment: Operational disruptions — roughly 14–15k b/d lost to a third‑party natural gas curtailment and an unplanned Syncrude coker decoke lowered utilization this quarter, highlighting ongoing operational and third‑party risks.
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Suncor Energy Q1 2026
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Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Suncor Energy Q1 2026 financial results call. At this time all participants are on listen mode. After the speaker's there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Suncor Energy Senior Vice President of External Affairs, Mr. Adam Albeldawi. Please go ahead.

Adam Albeldawi
Adam Albeldawi
CHRO and Senior VP, External Affairs at Suncor Energy

Thank you, operator, good morning. Welcome to Suncor Energy's Q1 earnings call. Please note that today's comments contain forward-looking information. Actual results may differ materially from the expected results because of various risk factors and assumptions that are described in our Q1 earnings release, as well as in our current annual information form, both of which are available on SEDAR+, EDGAR, and our website, suncor.com. Certain financial measures referred to in these comments are not prescribed by Canadian generally accepted accounting principles. For a description of these financial measures, please see our first quarter earnings release. We'll start with comments from Rich Kruger, President and Chief Executive Officer, followed by Troy Little, Suncor's Chief Financial Officer. Also on the call are Peter Zebedee, Executive Vice President, Upstream; Dave Oldreive, Executive Vice President, Downstream; and Shelley Powell, Senior Vice President, Operational Improvement and Support Services.

Adam Albeldawi
Adam Albeldawi
CHRO and Senior VP, External Affairs at Suncor Energy

Following the formal remarks, we'll open the call up to questions. Now, I'll hand it over to Rich to share his comments.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Thanks, Adam. Our Q1 was about maintaining momentum following a very strong 2025. That is exactly what we did. Troy will cover financial performance. I will focus on what we can control, operational performance, starting with a quick comment on safety, our highest priority. I'm pleased to report the Q1 represented best ever performance in process safety as our teams navigated the often harsh conditions of a Canadian winter. Moving on, upstream production. 875,000 barrels a day, our highest first quarter ever. Our second-highest quarter overall on record, only exceeded by the fourth quarter of last year. 22,000 barrels a day higher than our previous best Q1, which was last year. Achieved with Fort Hills at a record 187,000 barrels a day, higher than the quarter a year ago.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

E&P at 76,000 barrels a day was 14,000 barrels a day higher year-on-year and our highest quarter since our North Sea asset sale in 2022. Lastly, Firebag, our large high-value in situ, continued near record rates at 247,000 barrels a day. Despite these results, it could have been better. We were negatively impacted by 14,000-15,000 barrels a day due to a natural gas curtailment from a third-party unplanned outage. Fortunately, the issue was resolved with production restored by the end of the quarter. Upgrader utilization, 96%. Here again, good, but it could have been better. An unplanned de-coke of Syncrude's 8-3 coker following the discovery of cracked valves on the reactor with temperatures approaching minus 40 degrees Celsius.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Out an abundance of caution, we shut down the unit, completed repairs, and had it back online in March. Reflecting back over the last 3 years, Q1 production is up 133,000 barrels a day. No costly acquisitions, no major new startups, simply performance. Refining throughput, 498,000 barrels a day in the quarter. Again, our highest Q1 ever and our second-highest quarter overall, only exceeded by Q4 of last year. 15,000 barrels a day higher than our previous best first quarter, which was in 2025. All 4 refineries exceeded last year's quarterly throughput. Edmonton, our number 1 money maker, maximized distillate and achieved best ever throughput of 160,000 barrels a day.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Montreal introduced much-needed jet fuel into the market and also achieved a best ever quarter at 155,000 barrels a day. Refining utilization, 107% on our previous 466,000 barrel a day capacity or 97% on our new 10% higher rerated capacity of 511,000 barrels a day, as communicated at our recent Investor Day. Excluding our Commerce City refinery, which undertook its spring turnaround, our network averaged 100% on the higher rerated capacity, led by Edmonton at 101% of its new capacity. Over the last 3 years, Q1 throughput is up 130,000 barrels a day. No costly acquisitions, no expensive new projects, performance.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Product sales, 681,000 barrels a day, our highest quarter of any quarter ever, 34,000 barrels a day higher than our previous best, the 3rd quarter of 2025, and 76,000 barrels a day higher than our previous best Q1, which was last year. Achieved through a strategic shift starting in the H2 of 2023. Previously, we were value over volume. We're value and volume, challenging ourselves to not only place more total barrels into the market, but also place more barrels in the highest value chain within the market. To illustrate, Petro-Canada retail volumes, Canada's number one brand, were up 9% year-over-year. After never achieving 600,000 barrels a day sales in any quarter, we've now exceeded 600 seven quarters in a row.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Over the last 3 years, Q1 product sales are up 166,000 barrels a day or 32%. No costly acquisitions, no expensive new projects, again, performance. How are we continuing to establish record results period after period? Through crystal clear priorities, ambitious daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly performance targets, collaboration and teamwork, applying best practices, focusing on value, and by recognizing and rewarding our teams when they deliver. Our continuous improvement is not limited to a select area or two. It's across the board, systematically raising the bar, delivering higher, more reliable, more ratable operational performance, and with that, higher, more reliable, more ratable cash flow. I'll share an example, a recent example of our teams adding value.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

We've described how our Fort Hills plant has capacity above its nameplate, with stream day capacity of about 220,000 barrels a day versus an original design basis of 194,000 barrels a day. During our recent Investor Day, we detailed how we will monetize this capacity over time, increasing annual production from 175,000 barrels a day in 2025 to 200,000 in 2028. For our teams, that timing wasn't good enough. As a result, in late April, we negotiated a commercial agreement with Syncrude's owners, whereby Fort Hills purchases ore from Syncrude's Aurora mine and processes it at spare Fort Hills plant capacity. Everybody wins. Fort Hills, Syncrude, the province of Alberta through royalties, and with Suncor on both sides of the deal, we win twice. Incremental volumes, incremental value in today's price environment.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

We moved the first load of ore literally before the ink was dry on April 29th. An example of today's Suncor, operationally excellent and commercially opportunistic. The non-operational highlight of 1Q was on March 31st, our Investor Day in Toronto, with the agenda as follows. We talked about today's Suncor, how the company has been rebuilt to compete and win with superior performance and safety, reliability, cost management, and volumes. The delivery of our 2024 Investor Day commitments in 2 years versus a plan of 3. 114,000 barrels a day of upstream production growth over those two years and a 10% higher refining capacity. CAD 10 a barrel reduction in our corporate breakeven and more than CAD 3.3 billion per year in incremental free funds flow.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

The day continued with the theme of we're not done yet, outlining an ambitious set of new commitments over the next three years. Another 100,000 barrels a day of upstream production growth, a further CAD 5 a barrel reduction in enterprise breakeven, and an additional CAD 2 billion a year in free funds flow. The long-anticipated topic of our long-term oil sands outlook, where we detailed our large, long life, high-quality reserves and resource base. 2P reserves of 7 billion barrels, the longevity with a 25-year reserve life, contingent resources of 30 billion barrels, literally a century of development opportunities, and 11 billion barrels or 60% higher than our last assessment a decade ago, contained within 22 billion barrels of high quality in situ adjacent to existing assets, commercial with today's technology and expected future prices, with the entire assessment validated by third-party independent experts.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Development plans. We discussed standardized modules, design one, build many, focused in the resource-rich corridor south of Firebag and east of our Base plant, all 100% Suncor-owned with regulatory approvals in place. We highlighted extensive regional synergies unique to Suncor, providing lower capital costs well below greenfield development, sequenced to maximize efficiency and capture lessons learned. A 400,000 barrels a day portfolio at an average capital cost of about CAD 30,000 per flowing barrel. The best part, we described how all barrels are not created equal, quantifying the structural shift over time from mining barrels to in situ with cash flow per barrel of in situ roughly two times mining's current level. A resulting outlook of long-term value growth with moderate volume growth. Finally, we detail what's in it for our shareholders.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Double-digit annual growth rates in free funds flow and free funds flow per share, increasing cash returns via dividend growth and ratable buybacks. Importantly, achievable in a $65 a barrel WTI environment with upside if prices are higher. Bottom line, we have a clear definitive plan to compete and win short-term and long-term, plan built around what we can control and what we can confidently execute, and a plan coupled with high performance that we believe offers a compelling value proposition, ensuring Suncor Energy will stand on the podium in any and all business environments, delivering reliable, superior shareholder value, a must-own oil and gas stock, or a foundational building block for any investment portfolio. With that, I'll turn it over to Troy.

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

Thanks, Rich. We ended Q1 in a very different place than where we started, with March's average WTI price being 50% higher than January. For Suncor, this is exactly the environment we're built for. Our integrated model was constructed to capture opportunity when others cannot. Our Q1 financial results reflect that. CAD 4 billion in adjusted funds from operations of CAD 1 billion or 32% year-over-year, CAD 2.9 billion in free funds flow, up CAD 1 billion or 53% year-over-year. We returned CAD 1.5 billion to shareholders, CAD 825 million in buybacks and CAD 712 million in dividends. That doesn't reflect the increase in our buyback on April first to CAD 350 million per month, the second increase since last November.

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

Rather than walking through our quarterly report, I will focus on a few specific items. Let me start with downstream margin capture, an area where our business results are differentiated this quarter. Our 99% capture will likely be a surprise to many in a rising crack environment, where it's often difficult to fully capture increases in real-time because of lags in market pricing response. The strong margin capture this quarter is a testament to the great work by our sales and marketing and supply and trade, and trading teams who took advantage of market dislocations in real time, in particular in export markets. In March, for instance, we were able to capitalize on our existing trading relationships in 45 countries to send diesel and jet to places like the Philippines and Puerto Rico, both at significant premiums to market pricing.

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

We have spent years building out the logistics and commercial capabilities to act on opportunities just like these, and that investment paid off meaningfully this past quarter. Moving to our balance sheet for a moment, as you would have seen, Q1 included a working capital build of CAD 1.7 billion, almost all of which was directly related to the strong positive move upwards in the business environment in March. At the end of Q1, our accounts receivable and inventory balances stored significant amounts of cash from higher prices, a lot of which has already been released to us in the past two weeks through the normal industry settlement cycle. Recall that working capital is a tool that Suncor uses to drive returns in our downstream.

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

Sufficient inventories in the right place and at the right time can provide opportunities for our supply and trading colleagues to take advantage of margin opportunities that others cannot. We manage our working capital very tightly, but with a view that we don't wanna miss solid business opportunities. This working capital increase contributed to a temporary increase in our net debt of CAD 500 million versus Q4 2005, despite much higher free funds flow, again, driven by the timing of the normal settlement cycle. We remain very pleased with the current state of our balance sheet, continuing to be significantly within our guardrail of 1 times net debt to cash flow at $50 per barrel WTI. Turning to capital allocation, let me be clear about how we think about returning cash to shareholders.

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

We believe that a steady, growing base dividend plus consistent ratable buybacks provides long-term investors with a predictable framework they can count on through the cycle. Supporting this ability to deliver consistent cash returns to shareholders is a world-scale, long-life, high-quality resource base with no exploration risk, an integrated model that delivers through all cycles, and a clear, phased plan to develop our assets and grow value while maintaining capital discipline. The recent increase in our buybacks to CAD 350 million per month wasn't a short-term reaction to recently improved market conditions. It reflected our confidence in the business plan that we put forward in our Investor Day. Let me close with a discussion around profitability and long-term repeatable earnings power. You are all familiar with the reduction in our breakeven of the last two years of CAD 10 per barrel.

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

These reductions make Suncor highly resilient in lower commodity price environments. What is perhaps not as well understood is how the improvements we have already made have even more impact in a high commodity price environment. As an example, if we applied the business environment of 2022, when we last saw a strong commodity price environment, to an annualized Q1 2026, today's Suncor would generate the same AFFO or higher at oil prices that are over $15 per barrel lower than 2022, assuming all other pricing was consistent with that year. We are not just well suited amongst our competitors in a lower commodity price scenario, we are also positioned to capture significant value at higher prices also.

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

This will only grow as we continue to improve further in the years ahead, in part driven by our structural move towards higher-margin in-situ production.

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

Bottom line, this quarter again demonstrates the strength of Suncor's uniquely integrated model. Strong operating and financial performance, delivering reliable value to our shareholders. With that, I will turn the call back over to Adam so that we can take some questions.

Adam Albeldawi
Adam Albeldawi
CHRO and Senior VP, External Affairs at Suncor Energy

Thank you, Troy. I'll turn the call back to the operator to take some questions.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, press star one one again. Due to time restraints, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question will come from the line of Greg Pardy with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Greg Pardy
Greg Pardy
Head of Global Energy Research at RBC Capital Markets

Thanks, thanks. Good morning, and thanks for the rundown as always. You know, Rich and Troy, you've both, you know, delved into the downstream, how the dynamics are changing and how you're running that business. The question's almost like twofold. One is if, you know, CAD 680,000 in the first quarter in terms of refined product sales, that certainly looks very conservative vis-a-vis what your annual guidance looks like. Perhaps more important questions are around what's going on in terms of how much market share are you capturing domestically, do you think? Does the international hold that much more promise? I'm just trying to get a better understanding what the dimensions of that refined product sale number could look like going forward.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Yeah, Greg, I'll just, I'll offer this, Rich. I'll give you a quick comment or two, then I'll ask Dave to comment more fully. You know, as we've evolved this kind of, I refer to it as a strategic shift over the last few years, we're, it's still a work in progress. We are continuing to find ways to add and create value. It's underpinned, obviously, by refining performance, it further integrates into the distribution, logistics. On Investor Day, we talked about how a couple of years ago, we had reach into 20 some countries around the globe. Now that's 45 countries. This is a strategy that continues to develop and unfold. With it, you're seeing the higher sales volumes.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Clearly, there were opportunities in the market that also created up, you know, value for us, to the point of, for example, we were able to buy competitors' volumes on the dock or at a tailgate and then turn around and because of our unique capabilities, deliver it with material uplifts. I think it's a little bit less of characterizing that outlook as conservative. Really it's more about our teams continue to aggressively pursue and capture value, and that is resulting in higher volumes. Dave, any comments you'd add on to that? I know I gave a mouthful there.

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

You gave quite a bit of it. Greg, maybe I'll just comment on the sales numbers specifically. You know, when I think about the sales is where did the volume come from and where did it go? Cause you got to produce it to sell it, and then we have to find the right channels to sell it. Where did it come from in Q1? Cause we did hit a record plus throughput. Throughput was up versus first quarter prior year. That's pretty obvious. We also had some non-crude inputs, custom blends, particularly into our Edmonton refinery, which created more products for us to sell. We'll continue to do that going forward. I think there's some good news on that.

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

We drew some inventory. That's really, you know, as Troy talked about, we had a pretty unique market present itself in March. We took the opportunity through it to scale up our logistics systems on export to capture margins that were uniquely more profitable than Canadian alternatives. That's kind of our commercial intensity, our ability to be flexible, and our superior trading skills allowed our team to do that. Just as an example, our Burrard, Vancouver dock is where we do most of our West Coast diesel exports, and that's our most profitable logistics and lowest cost logistics option for exports. We did 14 cargos in the 1st quarter. That's compared to 28 cargos in the full year of last year. We've been able to scale that up to capture pretty unique opportunity.

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

I'd expect us, depending on where the market goes, to have that ability going forward.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Thanks, Dave.

Greg Pardy
Greg Pardy
Head of Global Energy Research at RBC Capital Markets

Yeah, that's terrific. Thanks very much for that. Maybe just to shift into the upstream. Rich, I know there's a big focus, obviously, moving ahead in terms of the shift towards in-situ and the better net backs and so on. If you come back to Fort Hills, you're, you know, you're through the remediation plan. I hear you in terms of what you're saying around increased volumes and higher plant utilization. With the streamlined move into the North pit then, is there a unit cost reduction story that'll begin to take shape potentially in, you know, 2027, 2028 beyond the volumetric numbers you're talking about simply, you know, with the plant?

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

You know, no doubt about it. You know, again, I'll have Peter comment a little bit more fully. If you dial the clock back, I guess it was about two years ago now, when we had the 3-year, we called it the Recovery Plan at Fort Hills, it had a premise of getting up to 175. A change we made in that was not explicitly to the Recovery Plan years 1-3, but it was years 4-44, where we said opening two pits in the north will create more value over the long term. What we shared with the market, there were some incremental capital costs as we bought some new equipment, trucks and shovels.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

We said, you know, we appreciate your patience because you won't see that bend in the unit operating cost until we put those, you know, two mines in play. I think that outlook remains the same. It was a bit deferred from what we would have earlier characterized in the recovery plan. Peter, though, you wanna comment more generally about, you know, Fort Hills, your progress, priorities?

Peter Zebedee
Peter Zebedee
EVP, Upstream at Suncor Energy

Yeah, I would say, you know, our short-term focus, Greg, is to fill out the Fort Hills plant through the use of these incremental volumes that we're getting from Syncrude Aurora that will also, you know, directionally support reducing unit costs, given the denominator is going to increase. Longer term, as you said, our focus is opening up North Pit 2. We expect the first ore from North Pit 2 to come in the first quarter of 2027. As that North Pit opens up and the mining volume's reduced due to reduced stripping, we do expect improvement in unit cost in that 27-28 timeframe.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Greg, between the two of us, that was a long answer to yes. We expect to be driving down unit costs as we put all the building blocks in place at Fort Hills.

Greg Pardy
Greg Pardy
Head of Global Energy Research at RBC Capital Markets

All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Dennis Fong with CIBC. Your line is open.

Dennis Fong
Dennis Fong
Analyst at CIBC World Markets

Hi, good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. The first one for me, Rich, is you've alluded in the past to the flexibility around your base plant upgraders as providing, quote-unquote, craft cocktails to some of your customers and differentiating your offerings versus other peers or competitors. Can you and the team talk about the opportunities this affords you in terms of improving profitability, especially in this obviously very tumultuous commodity price environment? That's mostly from the upstream, but I also recognize that there's opportunities in the downstream as well.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Thanks, Dennis. You know, it's a good question in that because we actually benefited from that materially in the first quarter with the unplanned de-coke at Syncrude and then being able to move product across to the base plant. Dave, why don't you even comment explicitly about, you know, our ability to continue to feed, for example, our Edmonton refinery with a record refining result, and yet it works off of a, you know, its appetite is pretty heavy, you know, synthetic crudes. Despite disruptions in our upstream, how we kept that thing full and that craft cocktail concept, how we're putting it in practice.

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

Yeah, absolutely. I think Edmonton's a great example. I alluded to this in the last question around the non-crude feedstocks into Edmonton Refinery. These are these craft cocktails that Rich likes to talk about. Edmonton was a clear example of the value of our integration in the past quarter. You know, we highlighted in Investor Day that we made some changes at Edmonton to improve diesel yields. Small investment, CAD 100,000, moves to add piping, to modify gas oil hydrotreater, so we could pull diesel off the gas oil hydrotreater. What that did, it gave us a 16,000 barrel a day diesel yield increase, it also allowed us to have spare capacity in our gasoline producing assets.

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

With that, we were able to take these craft cocktails from the base plant, run those directly into the secondary units at Edmonton, and not only get the diesel yield uplift from the first part of that project, but we were able to incrementally run more rate at Edmonton of non-crude inputs, these craft cocktails of about 9,000 barrels a day. A 160 record rate at Edmonton, we actually were about 169 of inputs, and that allowed us to have great yields as well as improved volumes. It's just a great example of, you know, Suncor integration coming together to improve not only reliability, volumes, as well as yields in our refineries.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

One other comment I'd make, too, is much like the downstream Dave refinery by refinery and the re-rate we had last year, you know, we've been working hard to determine what are the, you know, physical capabilities of our upgraders. Last year, we ended up at 99% for the year. I'm smiling over at my partner over here, Peter, because if he'd have been 99.5 or higher, I would've said, Okay, it's time to re-rate those beasts. Even though we ended up 96% for the quarter overall, and we've described that as something that, you know, we left something on the table, we were disappointed in that, the base plant was well over 100%. We have capacity there. The same philosophy we've applied to all of our facilities is determining that limit.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

What can we do to further extend that limit, you know, safely, reliably? We're doing the exact same thing across the upstream and seeing similar results.

Dennis Fong
Dennis Fong
Analyst at CIBC World Markets

Great. Really appreciate that color and context from the entire team. My follow-on is on Fort Hills here, as you kind of answered my question about the, or my question on the upgrader throughput for the quarter. At Fort Hills, and appreciate the context around, we'll call it regional integration with a proximity to Aurora North mine site. How does this opportunity set help maybe adjust mine progression, mine plan, and the ability to manage both obviously the higher fines content resource to the Western Edge, as well as the opportunities to, we'll call it, optimize and push beyond the 220,000 barrel a day productive capacity at the facility?

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Peter?

Peter Zebedee
Peter Zebedee
EVP, Upstream at Suncor Energy

Yeah, thanks, Dennis. Obviously this gives the Fort Hills team and the Aurora team, frankly, more degrees of operating freedom in terms of blend management, as you said, managing out.

Peter Zebedee
Peter Zebedee
EVP, Upstream at Suncor Energy

The right blends into the Fort Hills plant to optimize bitumen recovery. I would say our mine plans for the development of the Fort Hills mine remain the same today. This is essentially a shorter term opportunity that we're taking to fill out the Fort Hills plant, and then we're going to transition to full Fort Hills volumes in the coming years. We will obviously look for opportunities to reduce operating costs, stripping volumes, et cetera, should those be warranted by the, you know, the use of these incremental volumes. For now, the Fort Hills mine plan remains as intended.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

I'll just add to that. You know, the vast majority of our assets in the region are certainly, you know, operated and 100% owned. Syncrude is, you know, the exception in that. But how we look at it is we look at it as, you know, what's the economic maximization or optimum across it? We try not to get fussed with that ownership. Then when we see an opportunity, we work it with the partners via a commercial solution. This ore transfer is an example of that, where we, you know, there can be more value created by doing that than if we each just stuck with our own individual assets and kept them separately.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

That mindset has been a huge part of our story over the last few years of optimizing Suncor, the whole, and not a series of individual assets.

Dennis Fong
Dennis Fong
Analyst at CIBC World Markets

Great. I appreciate that, caller. I'll turn it back.

Operator

One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Neil Mehta
Neil Mehta
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Yeah. Thanks so much, Rich. One micro question and one macro question. The micro question is, you know, can we spend some time talking about your favorite child, Firebag? And, you know, specifically, you know, what are the things that you're watching here over the course of this year to see if it stays in your good graces?

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

It is. It's got a place in my heart that'll last a long time. Decades, I'm sure. Peter just literally got back from there yesterday. We're in the middle of our spring turnaround. We've described that as, you know, that's a pretty big event for us this year. It's the biggest turnaround Firebag's had for a while. It's a key part of the volume story. We're what, Peter, a few weeks in right now?

Peter Zebedee
Peter Zebedee
EVP, Upstream at Suncor Energy

Yeah.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

You know, we never declare victory until the whistle blows, but things are going quite well. You know, that asset in particular, its size, its quality, the expertise we have on the technical and operational personnel, whether that's looking at improved drilling techniques, whether that's looking at expanded solvent applications, steam reliability, it just, it's literally a playground of opportunities. With the quality of the people we have and the focus they've been providing, we keep seeing ways to make it better. You know, in Investor Day, we talked about growth from some of the near-term priorities, infill drilling, the ultimate use of non-condensable natural gas. It doesn't stop there. We're looking at what are the limiters in any particular piece of equipment or ongoing debottlenecking.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Even though, you know, it was just literally a month ago or five weeks ago that we put out an Investor Day plan, that just is a point in time. We're already looking at avenues to go above and beyond and add value. Those are things we'll talk about over time, but I really, really, you know, love all my kids, just happen to love a few of them maybe a little bit more at times. You know, Firebag's sitting there right on my, right on my knee, getting all my attention.

Neil Mehta
Neil Mehta
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Yeah. That's great. Peter, was there anything you wanted to add from your recent trip?

Peter Zebedee
Peter Zebedee
EVP, Upstream at Suncor Energy

Well, yeah, sure. A couple things. Neil and I spent some time with the Firebag team yesterday. We're right in the midst of our spring turnaround, as Rich mentioned. It is our single biggest opportunity this year to deliver above our plans. The team is laser focused on bringing that turnaround in on schedule, on budget. It's going extremely well. That's kind of job one at the moment. Then secondary to that is to the second biggest opportunity for us is to continue drilling out these sidetrack wells that we have in inventory at the Firebag site. We plan to do 20 of them this year. Again, these are just producing wells, high return wells, quick returns for us.

Peter Zebedee
Peter Zebedee
EVP, Upstream at Suncor Energy

You know, the pads team is out there actively working to bring these online.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

We haven't talked a lot about it, but on this call, we're in the midst of kind of the two big upstream turnarounds for the early part of the year at the base mine and Firebag, and we anticipate that those should be wrapped up before the end of Q2, and that'll position us for the kind of the typical H2 of the year sprint that we do in our business. Then if I flip to the downstream, Dave has had in Q1, he had work at both Sarnia and Commerce City, which are now largely behind us. He's got pretty clear sailing till late in Q3 before we do some work in Edmonton and Montreal. You know, we, it's focused on getting that planned work done over the next several weeks.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Thereafter, it's getting, you know, it's that sprint that really delivers in H2 of the year, and we're right on target to do exactly that.

Neil Mehta
Neil Mehta
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Yeah, Rich, as a follow-up to the macro, I mean, you've been in this business since, what, 1981 when you started with Exxon.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Hey, hey. Hey, no age comments. Come on, Neil.

Neil Mehta
Neil Mehta
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Hey, you still look younger than most of us. The question that I guess a lot of us would love to get your perspective on is put this moment in time in history where we're dealing with tremendous volatility, and there's a lot of geopolitical risk, and we're moving headline to headline. What do you think are the long-term implications of the current conflict? Does that change the way that you think big oil should be thinking or running their business or do you stay the course?

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Well, you know, one of the few benefits of getting older is you do see things in perspective a little bit. Obviously, this is just the fundamental nature of a global commodity. We've got ups and downs in the cycle, and we've seen those before. I would say that each of them have a level of uniqueness, and this one has even more uniqueness. I think the fundamental question is: Does it reset? Does it become a geopolitical premium or something on security, you know, security of supply? I would also say, though, that in our business, given the long-term capital intensive nature, that I think the best companies over time don't overreact to what could be short-term phenomena, either on the upside or the downside.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

I think the plan we put out in Investor Day gives us a rock solid value-creating plan. Our vision today is that we will march along that plan and continue to deliver on it. If as time goes on, the dust settles, you know, we determine that we're in a different world for a more enduring basis than we perhaps were a few months ago, we'll reexamine those. I think what we shared with Investor Day, we have material upside potential to do more if the world calls for that. I don't mean to make light of the current environment, but at Suncor, we are acutely focused on what we can control and delivering on it. In times like this, I think Troy described it well.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

You really see the synergistic effects of the asset base and the organization we've built in times like this, whether prices are going up, whether they're going down, or whether they're stable. This company is built to deliver, generate cash in any and all of those environments. Kind of a long answer, Neil, to, you know, very interesting in it, but we are continuing to focus on the plans we've already laid out.

Neil Mehta
Neil Mehta
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Thanks, Rich. That's all I have.

Operator

One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Patrick O'Rourke with ATB Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Patrick O'Rourke
Patrick O'Rourke
Managing Director, Equity Research at ATB Capital Markets

Hey, good morning, guys, and congratulations on another strong quarter here. I'm just going back to the refinery business downstream here. Just taking a look through some of the numbers. One thing that stood out to us was the sales to throughput ratio, the sales to refinery output ratio. We've seen sort of a bit of progression of that over the past couple of years, and I realize it'll ebb and flow a bit. What's sort of the outlook for squeezing some incremental value out of this for the rest of the year?

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Patrick, this is a really cool question. The reason it is, you know, we spend on these calls and things, we talk so much about crude unit throughput and utilization, and that's kind of the barometer that we use. As we all know, there's more to it than that. There are other dimensions of ability to add value. Dave, why don't you talk about as your team has, you know, maximized the utilization of the crude units, what you're also doing and some of the impacts you're having in other areas?

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

Yeah, for sure. We talked about a little bit this already. Retail growth is part of our sales story of where did the volume go. We talked about the exports channel that we've maxed out to capture the market and the non-crude inputs into the refineries. All of that really does contribute to the growing sales. Not only growing sales, but growing sales to some of our best channels. Maybe I'll give another example of what we've been doing in the last couple quarters is jet fuel in Montreal. In December of last year, we started making jet fuel in Montreal. As that turned out to be pretty good timing to start a jet fuel business.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

For the first time.

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

For the first time.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

For the first time.

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

We're at lower rates now, but that has the potential to grow it up to 16,000 barrels a day of jet fuel production. The original plan was to sell that domestically into the airports in Montreal area, a little bit into Ottawa. Then we saw this unique market blowout in Q1 and continuing into Q2, where jet fuel became pretty short in certain markets. Team in Montreal was able to work across really through our whole value chain to come up with a logistics option and quality certification to export jet.

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

We were able to sell jet, as Troy mentioned, into the Caribbean, at $10 or $15 a barrel above our alternatives, which was pretty awesome. Just last week, we certified our jet fuel to sell into Europe. It has some pretty unique quality requirements, and we sold our first cargo into Rotterdam, last week. That's where some of the sales are going, where we're upgrading the value chain and using our unique logistics and flexibility to try to capture value.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Just maybe a comment, one other comment, too, on the, you know, what we refer to as more explicitly the secondary units. I know you're kind of hitting on that, but I guess I'm asking, but I'm kind of answering. The same priority and focus Dave and Peter's teams have been putting on asset utilization where we've made investments, they don't stop at just the headline units, the upgraders, the crude units. They apply into each and every asset. When there is spare capacity that can create value, we just don't talk about those smaller assets or smaller components as much, but they create value, and they give us optionality and flexibility, whether that's custom cocktails coming out of the base plant or whether that's creating value in the downstream.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

This is a part of why I think you see when, you know, for at least a few quarters in a row, you see, okay, they got a little bit of a beat on volumes, but they got more of a beat on value, and that is not done yet.

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

Absolutely not.

Patrick O'Rourke
Patrick O'Rourke
Managing Director, Equity Research at ATB Capital Markets

Okay, great. You know, I know you just sort of gave your philosophy there in terms of not overreacting to, you know, strength in the price or weakness in the prices. When we take a look at things, net debt in the quarter, even with some working capital build, call it CAD 6.8 billion, you've got the CAD 10 billion net debt target. How do you think about timing and how you sort of release that to the equity shareholder? Is this, you know, that spare capacity between where you are now and CAD 10 billion just sort of a rainy day fund for now?

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Troy, you wanna comment on that?

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

Yeah, sure. Patrick, obviously, the first thing we're gonna look at is what our expected cash flows are for the year, and obviously, those have been significantly impacted by the change in business environment. The second thing we do is we look at the sustainability of any change in our buyback. Wanting to offer something to shareholders that others can't replicate, which is consistency. While we're absolutely going to be responsive to market events, we do actually want to remove as much variability as we can, because we've actually removed a lot of variability from our business results. It's really just a question of timing and an attempt not to be procyclical.

Patrick O'Rourke
Patrick O'Rourke
Managing Director, Equity Research at ATB Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Manav Gupta with UBS. Your line is open.

Manav Gupta
Manav Gupta
Analyst at UBS

Good morning. I wanted to run on the theme of we are seeing a lot of interest from the U.S. refining side on pipelines which are coming out of Canada, given the current geopolitical situation. There is also news articles circulating that there's another pipe project which could have secured minimum level of commitments to move ahead. Can you talk a little bit about the incremental egress capacity that is coming out of Canada and why U.S. refiners would really benefit from getting more Canadian crude into their refineries?

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Yeah. Neil, thank you. You know, fundamentally, the U.S., you just look back over the last 15 years or so, and the whole U.S. energy situation has changed so dramatically, whether it's crude or gas. There, there's a fundamentally a mismatch in the U.S. of the crude they produce and the crude that they refine. Now, that's not, you know, everywhere, there's a large mismatch. A lot of the U.S. refining network has been designed and geared and, you know, rebuilt over time for heavy crudes, and that's what we provide. And, you know, my personal belief is that North America is a better, safer, stronger, more prosperous, you know, region when we optimize across the energy network.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

Just like we've talked about how maximizing the utilization of existing assets, debottlenecking low-cost expansions, the exact same philosophies apply on these logistics systems. When you can incrementally add a capacity on an existing pipeline, you can typically do that faster and much cheaper than building new. I think this is a natural evolution. I think it's economically rational to keep looking at where we can expand existing capacities. In Canada, we also have that now increasingly to the west with, like, TMX. How can that, you know, further debottleneck and get more capacity? Those would be the fastest, cheapest ways to move more crude or more products to, you know, customers. We're quite supportive of those initiatives.

Manav Gupta
Manav Gupta
Analyst at UBS

Thank you. My quick follow-up is here on the capture, which was pretty strong, 99%. I think it was flat versus the same quarter last year and probably just like 100 basis points or 200 basis points lower than the last quarter. I'm just trying to understand, as the cracks spike, what are the challenges of keeping capture elevated at higher cracks level? If you could talk about the headwinds and tailwinds to the capture for you as a system.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

You know, Troy briefly commented on that in his comments. You know, Dave and/or Troy, why don't you both take that one?

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

Sure. I think it's really, Manav, it's a summation of some of the comments I've already made. We have been able to be nimble and move quickly to capture market opportunities, not just domestically in Canada, but really globally. That is a unique advantage that we have in Suncor. I see that continuing to be something that we can continue to do and not create particular headwind. In terms of yields, we've improved our yields, we've improved our rates. I would see that continuing through the quarter. We'll see maybe a little bit of noise around turnarounds as we get in and out of turnarounds in Q2 and into the Q3.

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

Our ability to capture the market, given our integrated nature, our strong supply and trading business and our export logistics, I think continues to be really strong.

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

I would just add, Manav, with respect to pricing responsiveness, that's also where we see an impact that differs.

Troy Little
Troy Little
CFO at Suncor Energy

Depending on the region and the market we're in. It also actually is somewhat driven by the speed at which the prices are changing. If there is a very, very fast reset, then the impact of a delayed response is smaller. If there's more of a ratable increase over time or decrease, as can be the case, you'll actually find the impact is different. You also actually have a difference depending on what level of profitability you're at. When you're at a very high level of profitability, we will find that we do find that our competitors are willing to give away margin to get volume. At lower levels of profitability, they are less willing to do that. You know, that's where the duration aspect comes into it.

Manav Gupta
Manav Gupta
Analyst at UBS

Thank you.

Operator

One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Menno Hulshof with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Menno Hulshof
Menno Hulshof
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at TD Cowen

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I just have one follow-up question on your global marketing push, which you've addressed from a number of different angles already. Rich, you mentioned that you moved, if I got the number right, 14 cargoes in to one. How much of that uptake is repeatable versus lumpier and more opportunistic? How would you frame the potential margin uplift from marketing this year relative to last year or even 2024?

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

You know, Menno, I think the repeatable question, I think the jury is still out a little on that. I think it depends on two parts, kind of what the current situation in the Middle East, you know, how and when it resolves itself, that will be part of it. I think the other thing is that as we've established these trade routes and that when we can compete and relative to our alternatives or relative to a customer's alternatives, you know, you create new markets that we can increasingly or confidently supply. I think the repeatability, it's I don't know that we can answer that explicitly yet, but I do believe we are expanding our marketing reach and capabilities that will endure over points in time. Dave, you want to add anything?

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

Yeah.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

to that?

Dave Oldreive
Dave Oldreive
EVP, Downstream at Suncor Energy

Sure, Rich. I would first confirm that that's absolutely correct. It will depend on the market opportunity. That's where the repeatability may have some noise. In terms of ability to capture where the market opportunity presents itself, we have the logistics. We've actually been growing and debottlenecking our logistics in the same way we've been growing and debottlenecking our refining capacity. We have the logistics. We're preferentially moving logistics particularly diesel exports to the West Coast and jet exports off the East Coast. We have that capability. That will only actually continue to grow in terms of capability. The question will be, is the market there to capture it or not? If it is, we'll do that.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

You know, Menno, maybe I'd add one other comment to that I think is coming out in a lot of the answers today. On Investor Day, we had a chart really early in the deck, I believe it was titled Rebuilt to Win. We talked about the integration of all the way kind of the leadership that we provide, the strategy or the strategic focus areas, the structure, and then kind of our organizational culture. What you're seeing is as all that continues to work together, that it's creating opportunities above and beyond what we could estimate at any point in time. Our own ambitions continue to rise. You know, I chuckle when I read some of the reports and things that, you know, Suncor is, you know, they're conservative on this or conservative on that.

Rich Kruger
Rich Kruger
President and CEO at Suncor Energy

That's not how we feel at points in time. Our organization, with just crystal clear objectives, continues to find ways to add and create more value. As we've raised the bar on our operating performance, reduced this variability we've talked about, you can do that. You can talk to customers far afield because when they know you can confidently and consistently provide them product, they're willing to enter into agreements with you, where previously you couldn't have entertained because you didn't know if you could hold up your end of the deal. The interrelationship of our underlying operating performance and what that creates for us commercially, that is a big part of the story here. I think you're gonna continue to hear us share examples of how we're increasingly commercially astute to go along with operationally excellent.

Menno Hulshof
Menno Hulshof
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at TD Cowen

Thanks to you both. That was very helpful. I'll turn it back.

Operator

I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Mr. Adam Albeldawi for any closing remarks.

Adam Albeldawi
Adam Albeldawi
CHRO and Senior VP, External Affairs at Suncor Energy

Thank you everyone for joining our call this morning. If you have any follow-up questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to our team. Operator, you can end the call.

Operator

Thank you for participating. This concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Adam Albeldawi
      Adam Albeldawi
      CHRO and Senior VP, External Affairs
    • Dave Oldreive
      Dave Oldreive
      EVP, Downstream
    • Peter Zebedee
      Peter Zebedee
      EVP, Upstream
    • Rich Kruger
      Rich Kruger
      President and CEO
    • Troy Little
      Troy Little
      CFO
Analysts