GFL Environmental Q2 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Full-year guidance was raised for the second time. GFL now expects CAD 7.52 billion in revenue, CAD 2.29 billion in adjusted EBITDA and CAD 900 million in adjusted free cash flow, representing more than 15% EBITDA growth and nearly 20% free-cash-flow growth.
  • Positive Sentiment: Pricing remained a key driver, with Q2 pricing growth of 6.1% and full-year pricing expected to exceed 6%. Underlying margins expanded substantially after excluding fuel, M&A and other external headwinds, supported by labor, maintenance and operational efficiencies.
  • Negative Sentiment: Softer construction-and-demolition and special-waste activity continues to weigh on volumes, with related landfill tons down about 10% in Q2 and full-year volume now expected to decline approximately 0.5%. Diesel costs also remain a margin headwind because of the lag in recovering costs through fuel surcharges.
  • Positive Sentiment: The SECURE acquisition remains on track to close around the beginning of Q4, pending Competition Bureau review, and could add roughly 6% to 2026 adjusted EBITDA if completed. GFL also closed seven other acquisitions and expects to deploy an additional CAD 300 million to CAD 500 million on M&A before year-end.
  • Neutral Sentiment: GFL disclosed that it has received unsolicited potential take-private proposals, prompting a special committee to explore alternatives while management continues operating the business normally. CEO Patrick Dovigi said he intends to roll 100% of his equity into any transaction and remains comfortable with either a private or public-company path.
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Operator

Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to GFL Environmental Inc.'s second quarter earnings call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the conference over to Patrick Dovigi, Founder and CEO. Mr. Dovigi, please go ahead.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Thank you. Good morning. I would like to welcome everyone to today's call and thank you for joining us. This morning, we will be reviewing our results for the second quarter and updating our guidance for the year. I'm joined this morning by Luke Pelosi, our CFO, who will take us through our forward-looking disclaimer before we get into details.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Thank you, Patrick. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining. We have filed our earnings press release, which includes important information. The press release is available on our website. During this call, we'll be making some forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable Canadian and U.S. securities laws, including statements regarding events or developments that we believe or anticipate may occur in the future. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those set out in our filings with the Canadian and U.S. securities regulators. Any forward-looking statement is not a guarantee of future performance. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements speak only as of today's date. We do not assume any obligation to update these statements, whether as a result of new information, future events and developments, or otherwise.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

This call will include a discussion of certain non-IFRS measures. A reconciliation of these non-IFRS measures can be found in our filings with the Canadian and U.S. securities regulators. I will now turn the call back over to Patrick.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Thank you, Luke. Our strong start to the year continued through the second quarter, yielding financial results ahead of expectations. Our ongoing exceptional performance in the face of an uncertain broader macro environment is a testament to the effectiveness of our growth strategies and the resilience of our business model. Moreover, the quality of our first half results allows us to raise our full-year guidance for the second time this year. Once again, our price growth is ahead of plan. The outperformance from pricing in the first quarter was driven largely by tailwinds from our recent growth investments and the ongoing realization of incremental pricing opportunities within our portfolio, which continued through the second quarter. We now have a high degree of visibility towards ending the year with pricing above 6%.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Volume was also better than expected as a rebound in winter-related volume delays and EPR benefits more than offset the impact of lower C&D-related activity and special waste volumes. Consistent with the first quarter, we believe the impact of broader economic uncertainty continues to be a drag on C&D volumes compared to prior periods, but we remain well-positioned to participate in the upside when these volumes inevitably return. The significant rise in ongoing volatility in diesel prices have impacted margins due to the inherent lag in the fuel surcharge mechanism. The impact of elevated diesel pricing is seen not only in our direct fuel expense but also in higher costs passed on to us from our third-party transportation providers.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Excluding the impact of sudden and significant rise in fuel costs, our operational and SG&A cost intensity as a percentage of revenue trended lower on a year-over-year basis for the sixth consecutive quarter. The ongoing realization of such operating leverage is a result of the growth and self-help initiatives we outlined at last year's Investor Day. Was achieved despite headwinds from M&A and lower higher-margin landfill volumes. The successful execution of our operational strategies more than overcome fuel cost volatility and other headwinds faced in the quarter. The team's relentless focus on pricing discipline, cost efficiencies, and the ongoing maturation of our asset base is translating into industry-leading underlying margin expansion. Our Canadian segment realized adjusted EBITDA margins of 34% in the second quarter, the highest adjusted EBITDA margin the segment has ever achieved.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Consolidated adjusted EBITDA margins organically increased 35 basis points over the prior year, despite a very tough comp. Recall, Q2 2025 was the highest Q2 EBITDA margins in our company's history. On M&A, we've been actively preparing for the closing of the SECURE acquisition. The final step before we can close the transaction is a Competition Bureau review, which remains on track and is well advanced. Integration planning is progressing well, and as we've seen, spending more time with Allen and the whole SECURE team, we grow incrementally optimistic about the opportunistic and opportunities for the combined entity. We remain confident in our ability to close the acquisition by the beginning of the fourth quarter and achieving the pro forma financial framework we previously highlighted.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

We closed seven other acquisitions during the quarter, including Frontier and six tuck-ins, two of which are incremental to the base for which we previously updated guidance. Frontier's first quarter of performance under our ownership has gone exceptionally well, and we remain excited about the many growth opportunities available to us in that fast-growing Texas market. Our M&A pipeline remains robust, and we still think we can deploy an incremental CAD 300 million-CAD 500 million before year-end. With the significant success in the first half, we are raising our full-year outlook for the second time this year.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Luke will walk through the details, but we are now expecting to deliver over 15% growth in adjusted EBITDA and nearly 20% growth in adjusted free cash flow over the prior year. Although the guide does not currently include any contribution from SECURE, if we were to close the acquisition in Q4, actual adjusted EBITDA growth could be greater than 20%. I'll now pass the call back to Luke, who will walk through the guidance update and the quarter in more detail, then I'll share some closing comments before we open it up for Q&A.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Thanks, Patrick. Revenue grew 16.3% in the quarter, inclusive of 6.4% organic growth, which was in 180 basis point acceleration over the first quarter. Continued price strength, together with higher surcharge revenue tied to fuel cost recovery, more than offset the anticipated headwinds from volume and commodity prices. Price growth in the quarter of 6.1% was 20 basis points better than planned, a result driven largely by accelerated realization of previously identified pricing opportunities, including the implementation of incremental fuel surcharges. Regionally, pricing was 6.2% in Canada and 6.1% in the U.S. Our pricing success in the first half, together with our expectations for the second half of the year, now expect to yield a full year pricing number nearly 50 basis points better than the original guide.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Volume in Q2 was almost 100 basis points better than planned, with positive transfer station and residential collection volumes offsetting headwinds from landfill and the lapping of transitory MRF processing volume in the prior year. We attribute the positive transfer station volume primarily to catch up from the Q1 winter weather impacts, as broader C&D activity remained muted, with external C&D and special waste landfill tons being down 10% in the quarter. With the ongoing macro environment, we now expect these C&D-related trends to persist for the balance of the year, and our full-year volume outlook is being updated accordingly. The acceleration of commodity prices at the beginning of the year has continued, and we saw market pricing in the second quarter CAD 12 per ton higher than what we had factored into our Q2 guide.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Current market pricing is up another CAD 13 over the Q2 average. If pricing remains at these levels, Q3 pricing should be approximately 20% better than the prior year. While our exposure to commodity price fluctuations has been significantly reduced post transitioning most of our processing activities to relatively fixed fee for service contracts, the improvement in market pricing will provide incremental tailwinds to revenue, EBITDA, and margins in the back half of the year. As Patrick said, the second quarter saw continued improvement in underlying operating leverage. Cost of sales before depreciation, amortization, and integration costs as a percentage of revenue decreased 80 basis points, excluding the impact of elevated fuel costs. Ongoing efficiency and labor costs, supported by a continued improvement in voluntary turnover, as well as a 90 basis point reduction in repair and maintenance cost intensity, more than offset the recent headwind from M&A.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Looking specifically at fuel, as anticipated, our direct cost per unit of diesel in the quarter increased nearly 60% year-over-year. The second quarter also saw indirect diesel cost impacts as our third-party transportation providers implemented incremental fuel surcharge, which resulted in a CAD 5 million headwind to our Q2 guide. We are now in a position where our surcharges are generating sufficient incremental revenue to offset the higher cost tied to diesel prices. Until diesel prices once again fall, our results will be burdened by the unrecovered costs associated with the initial inflection in diesel prices at the beginning of the year. SG&A cost intensity, excluding depreciation expense and other costs, improved 50 basis points over the prior year. As expected, we continue to realize operating leverage on our corporate segment as we continue to grow revenues off this relatively fixed cost base.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Adjusted EBITDA margins were 30.4% for the quarter, inclusive of 65 basis point headwind from M&A. Adjusted EBITDA margins were 34% in our Canadian segment, up 20 basis points over the prior year, despite negative impacts from fuel and commodities, which were headwinds in both of our geographic segments. Excluding the impact of these exogenous factors and M&A, underlying consolidated Q2 margins were up 125 basis points from the prior year, despite the mix impact of the lower high-margin landfill volumes and the 40 basis point margin headwind from the recognition of certain rebates in the prior year quarter that we previewed on the Q1 call.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Adjusted free cash flow was CAD 237 million for the quarter, ahead of our guide largely on account of the adjusted EBITDA outperformance, as incremental investment in working capital was largely offset by lower than planned net CapEx and closure costs, all of which are expected to be timing differences that normalize by year-end. In June, we issued $750 million of new bonds in preparation for the closing of the SECURE acquisition. Bond offering was significantly oversubscribed and was executed at the tightest interest rate spread ever offered for a bond of this type in our rating category. Once again demonstrating the confidence in our credit quality held by the debt markets.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

By taking advantage of underlying interest rate differentials in Canada and the U.S., we were able to swap the interest payments back to Canadian dollars at a rate of approximately 4.5%, thereby reducing our overall effective borrowing rate. Excluding the translational impact of the FX rate increasing 500 basis points versus our guide and ending the quarter at 1.42, we exit the quarter with net leverage of 3.9x, 30 basis points higher than the Q1 on account of the second quarter acquisitions, and exactly in line with the guidance we previously provided. Q3 leverage will remain consistent with Q2, and the business will then naturally de-lever by year-end. Any rebound of the Canadian dollar against the US dollar will further improve our reported net leverage.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Based on the strength of the first half and our positive outlook for the remainder of the year, we are pleased to be able to increase our guidance top to bottom for the second time this year. Assuming the current FX rate, commodity, and diesel prices, we now expect the following amounts for the full year 2026. Revenue of CAD 7.52 billion, adjusted EBITDA of CAD 2.29 billion, adjusted free cash flow of CAD 900 million, inclusive of cash interest of CAD 445 million, and a net CapEx spend of CAD 850 million. The new guidance assumes full year pricing increases to just over 6% and volume decreases to approximately negative 50 basis points. An outlook we think is conservative yet appropriate given the current macro backdrop. Any improvement to C&D activity will be a source of upside to the guide.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Contribution from M&A increases by CAD 10 million on account of the two incremental tuck-in acquisitions and FX related to M&A. Adjusted EBITDA margin increases 10 basis points over our previous guide to 30.5%, despite the significant headwind from elevated diesel prices, which we now assume to continue for the balance of the year. Absent the run-up in diesel prices, full year margin would have been more than 31%, more than 100 basis point increase over the prior year, despite headwinds from M&A and commodity prices. Any reduction in diesel prices in the second half of the year would be a source of incremental margin expansion. As Patrick mentioned, the updated guidance does not include the contribution from any further M&A in the year.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

SECURE alone could increase 2026 adjusted EBITDA by another 6%, and we also expect to close other tuck-in acquisitions before the end of the year, which will also be additive. Specifically, as it relates to the third quarter of 2026, we expect consolidated revenue of approximately CAD 1.99 billion at an adjusted EBITDA margin of 31.2%, 60 basis points ahead of the prior year, when excluding the anticipated 100 basis point drag from fuel and M&A. Q3 adjusted free cash flow is expected to be approximately CAD 235 million, inclusive of CAD 165 million in cash interest and about CAD 200 million in net CapEx. I will now pass the call back to Patrick, who will provide some closing comments before Q&A.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Thanks, Luke. We believe our consistent financial performance in the face of ongoing macro uncertainty continues to demonstrate the quality of our platform and the effectiveness of our strategic plans. 2026 is shaping up to be another year of industry-leading growth, and the setup for the 2027 growth is even greater. Our business and growth prospects have never been better, and we continue to believe that GFL is uniquely positioned for exceptional value creation for all shareholders over the near term. I will now turn the call over to the operator to open the line for Q&A.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Sabahat Khan with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Sabahat Khan
Sabahat Khan
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thanks. Good morning. You mentioned in the release yesterday that the company's received some unsolicited potential take-private offers for GFL, and some media outlets had headlines earlier as well. To the extent that you can comment, could you maybe share what you're considering, how you're thinking about potential outcomes here? Thanks.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Yeah. I think when there's a dislocation in share price versus intrinsic value, I think that affords others the opportunity to potentially look at a take-private transaction. I think from where we sit today, I think we feel slightly vindicated that I think all the intrinsic value we believe we've created has attracted others and who've approached us about taking the company private at a materially higher number than the company's currently trading for today. As you know, I'm very well-versed in the private equity world. Six private equity recaps before GFL went public, and then last year recapping the Environmental Services business and the GIP business, that's all mid-teens type multiples, right? We know that world very well. I think it's a testament to the business that's being built.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Interestingly enough, two of these parties that approached us were doing a significant amount of work on SECURE and believe SECURE was an exceptional acquisition, which as you know, the first couple of days after announcing that, we had a lot of explaining to do. That being said, the boards formed a special committee. The special committee has instructed management to explore the art of the possible. I'm less focused personally on the price out of the gate. I think obviously it's materially higher than where we're trading for today. As most of you know on this call, I'm not a seller.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

I'm not a seller at CAD 40, I'm not a seller at CAD 50, I'm not a seller at CAD 60, I'm not a seller at CAD 70, and I'd be rolling 100% of my equity into whatever is being proposed. I think there's a lot of opportunity here.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

If you look at the growth for 2027, you look at the free cash flow growth, you look at the setup that we have SECURE's putting up numbers, the best in their history. GFL is performing better than it's ever had. From my perspective, my motivation is to keep going, and the parties that have approached us, as a condition, would like me to roll 100% of my equity into a new transaction. What I'm focused on is, listen, there's two paths. One, there's an offer brought to shareholders, which would require sort of a majority of the minority, because I would be being treated differently in terms of just I'd be rolling 100% of my stake. Shareholders can have their say in terms of what they want, and if the fast money hedge fund type investors think it's compelling, then they can vote for something like that.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

We've had a lot of conversations over the last couple of weeks with our largest holders. They have interesting views and perspectives on what the value is and think it's just a moment in time where we were caught up in this weird AI trade and SECURE and some of the arms that have entered the name pre-closing. That exists today, and the alternative is staying public as well, which from my perspective is a great alternative as well. I have no issue staying public as well. The real question is, would shareholders be happy with a price which is materially higher than where it's trading at today? As management and sort of insiders, can we create significantly more value in a shorter amount of time inside a private company? My biggest focus is on not the next year or two.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

My focus is on what that looks like in sort of year five, six and seven. It's one thing to actually take a business private, then it's another thing to actually realize the value you've created. I think we just need clarity in terms of how that's going to be realized, whether it's going to stay in perpetual private hands that have created this new marketplace that exists, or the thought to potentially relist the company in five or six years after we've created a whole bunch of incremental value over the next five or six years. That's what's sort of being discussed.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

I do think the board and management does feel vindicated that some of the smartest and largest institutions in the world that have the biggest pockets of capital believe this company is undervalued and can generate mid-teens to 20% IRRs, even paying a premium to where the stock is trading at today. From our perspective, these are all the things we've been saying for a long period of time and sort of pounding the table. From where I sit today, those are the two opportunities. As I said, the special committee's given us instructions to sort of go explore that, and we'll do that. My intent is obviously the focus is on getting SECURE closed. We'll run these in sort of parallel paths.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

There is no situation where I saw some notes and were pinging some things on whether you could try and pay a break fee and walk away from SECURE or something. These buyers that have approached us are. They love the SECURE asset as much as they love the GFL business. We'll continue to let it go. My plan is not to sort of make a career out of this. We want to get the answers relatively quickly and pick a path. From my perspective, either path is a good path, and we'll decide what the right path is and whether it makes sense for myself and makes sense to sort of bring it to shareholders in the sort of near to medium term.

Sabahat Khan
Sabahat Khan
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thanks, appreciate all the color. Maybe just switching over to sort of the outlook here for the back half of the year. Maybe a question more for Luke. What incremental growth CapEx are you assuming in your updated guide? Maybe if you can share some color on how we should think about the cadence for the remainder of the year. Thanks.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah. Thanks, Saba. Great question. In Q1, we said we're going to be looking to spend CAD 200 million for the year. I think that number, other than a little bit of FX adjustment, I think you got like CAD 5 higher on that through FX. That's still largely good. If you look in the quarter, we're a little behind on what we wanted to spend. Some of these projects, the exact cadence is a little bit outside of our control. The one thing I'd note is with SECURE, if we get that done in Q4, as you may be aware, SECURE's capital allocation approach has been to deploy excess free cash into sort of growth capital as well. They did some in Q2. They're planning on a big amount in Q3. There may be some spillover to Q4.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Ultimately, the end of the year pro forma for SECURE, we may be something a little bit higher than what standalone GFL is. I think if you factor in FX, the 200 gets a little bit higher and it's going to be in and around that sort of zip code, maybe a little less, maybe a little bit more, but that number holds true.

Sabahat Khan
Sabahat Khan
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Maybe just a quick one if I can sneak in. The pricing commentary across the sector has been pretty positive. Your commentary this morning is pretty positive, pushing higher even through sort of relative to your initial guide. Is it just the customers are accepting that there is an inflationary environment, fuel's running up and it's been maybe easier to pass through some pricing? If you can just talk about what's happening in the industry with some of this positive pricing that you're seeing and your peers are seeing. Do you think it could continue into 2027 from GFL's perspective?

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah, I like the way you frame it at the end, Saba, because it's difficult for me to talk about my peers. What we have said consistently is that we see a opportunity to continue price above cost inflation to generate the spread we need to generate return on the invested capital. In addition to that amount, we have opportunities within our portfolio above and beyond as we just continue to have I'd call it mispriced books of business. We continue to demonstrate that in the quarterly results. I think the spread above cost inflation remains true and dear to everyone's pricing strategies, and I don't see that changing. The ultimate headline number may change if you look over a three- to five-year period, but again, focusing on that spread.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

As we said, we had identified, I think we said in Investor Day, CAD 40 million-CAD 80 million of incremental price, probably a price greater than that. As we keep doing M&A, that number grows. A significant component of our outperformance is the effective realization of those opportunities. At the end of the day, when you think about the three-year outlook that we provided for Investor Day, I think we'll be able to capture a greater amount than what we had put down on the page at that time.

Sabahat Khan
Sabahat Khan
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Thanks very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Tyler Brown with Raymond James. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Tyler Brown
Tyler Brown
Analyst at Raymond James

Hey, good morning, guys.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Hey, Tyler.

Tyler Brown
Tyler Brown
Analyst at Raymond James

Hey, Luke. There's quite a bit moving around in the guidance. You got FX, M&A, volumes, commodities. Just in broad strokes, can you kind of bridge the guide, the new guide versus the old guide? I'm kind of feeling that maybe FX, fuel, M&A, and commodities are all helps, but second half volume is a drag. Just any color there would be really helpful.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Tyler, great question, and appreciate with the magnitude of the upswing, there are sort of moving pieces. If you think at the top line, pricing is now going to be just above six. That's sort of 50 basis points up from our original guide. Now saying volume is going to be about negative 50 basis points. That's about a 75 basis points decrease from the original guide that contemplated about 25 basis points positive volume. Surcharge is now at 80 basis points positive. That's about 100 basis points over the original guide, and that's just a function of the change in the diesel pricing. Commodity, we're now saying about a 10 basis points drag year-over-year, and that's a 20 basis point increase over the original guide. Initially thought about -30, now we're about -10. Again, recall our sensitivity.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

We don't see the upside as much as we used to, but the benefit is we also don't see the downside. M&A, obviously a big one with Frontier and the other, that's now going to be at sort of 770 basis points up, so 7.7% coming from M&A. That's about 520 basis points higher than the original guide. FX with the meaningful change, that's now considered to be a 40 basis point drag, so -0.4% from FX, which is about 170 higher than the original guide. The original guide contemplated 1.36, and now we're doing the first half at whatever it was, and now assuming the second half at 1.4.

Tyler Brown
Tyler Brown
Analyst at Raymond James

Okay, perfect. Extremely helpful. The other thing that I think should maybe be highlighted here, unless I'm missing it, but the new guidance I think calls for margins to be virtually unchanged. The old margins didn't include a very sizable headwind from fuel and call it non-leveraging FX revenues. Could one imply that you are actually raising the underlying implied margins fairly substantially, or am I misreading that?

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

No, Tyler, you're absolutely right. If you think about the original guide, we were supposed to go to 30.5%, that reflected 100 basis points of underlying at that time. In that, we had our assumptions on fuel, commodity, all the externalities. When you look today, we, as you said, we're maintaining 30.5%, but now inclusive of a 60-70 basis point drag from fuel, a 30-40 basis point drag from M&A. Those two things alone is a 100 basis point drag above and beyond from where we started the year. There's other moving pieces, obviously. If you think about special waste and C&D landfill volumes, that's net new headwind. Don't want to get into every little piece, but that mix, if you think about those incremental tons that are missing, that's very high margin flow through. Right?

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

If you look at that original 100 basis points underlying, I think you're probably 2x that today. Notwithstanding that the headline number is staying at 30.5. That's why I think I'll circle back to Patrick's comment. I don't think the operation of the business has ever been performing better, and you're seeing that sort of come through in the numbers.

Tyler Brown
Tyler Brown
Analyst at Raymond James

Yeah, exactly. Just real quickly, Patrick, last one on volume. How does the competitive environment feel? Have you seen any pickup in churn? Is there anything happening on the small hauler side that gives you any pause, or is there any change in behavior there? Thanks, guys.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

We're in a competitive business as always, and I think there's certain markets that have different competitive dynamics. Of course, there's markets where we have to fight and we have to defend our business and defend churn. There's a lot of other parts of our business that continue to just go along tickety-boo, continue getting pricing churns at sort of all-time lows. Nothing any different than what we've seen in the last 20 years. I think we just keep chugging along, again, picking the right markets where we want to operate. That allows us to continue deploying the strategy, and I think that's what you continue to see from us, and you will continue to see from us. Nothing out of the ordinary from my perspective.

Tyler Brown
Tyler Brown
Analyst at Raymond James

Okay. All right. Perfect. Thanks, guys.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Kevin Chiang with CIBC. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Kevin Chiang
Kevin Chiang
Analyst at CIBC

Yeah. Thanks for taking my question. If I could just dig into the U.S. organic growth in the second quarter, it was up nicely sequentially, and if I just look back outside of the Kind of the elevated inflation period during the latter innings of the pandemic. This seems historical or looks historically high. I get pricing is good across the board, you have surcharges there, but are you hitting an inflection point in the U.S. in terms of some of the initiatives that you laid out, the Investor Day that might be driving maybe more outsized organic growth in the U.S. versus maybe what you see in Canada on a rate of change basis, just giving Canada is a more mature market for you?

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah. Thanks for the question, Kevin. It's a great one. I think if you think about overall organic growth starting at price, the U.S. has consistently been a good pricing market for us and continues to be. I think I said in the prepared remarks, it was both geographies around that sort of 6% level. I think some of our books of business in the U.S. were probably more mature in some of the sort of surcharge initiatives, so some of that outsized opportunity has been realized more in Canada, although there are net new geographies in the U.S. where that's also been an opportunity. On balance, I'd say the U.S. pricing is more driven by just strength of underlying core as opposed to the sort of implementation of net new surcharges.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

I think it really comes down on the volume story. If you think about what we and some of our industry peers have talked about is this idea of intentional shedding post M&A. If you look for the period that you're looking at, the levels of revenue acquired in the U.S. were quite significant from 2020 through 2024, 2025. Following that, you do have the intentional shedding, and again, it's unsafe work, it's work that doesn't meet your return hurdle. It is tangential type ancillary revenue service offerings that we're not going to continue to do. I think what's really happened is as the quantum of M&A sort of paused starting late 2024 into 2025, and we had more quieter deployment of capital.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

You've no longer had the subsequent knock-on effect of that sort of shedding, and it's allowing therefore the volume metric to reflect just what's actually happening in the underlying business as opposed to being distorted. I think it's a great data point and testament to the sort of quality of the market selection and the business that we have. Because once you remove the M&A related noise, what you're left with is the normal course volume, which is going to be a ±50 basis points type of number and doesn't move around very much.

Kevin Chiang
Kevin Chiang
Analyst at CIBC

That's very helpful color. Maybe just a follow on. You talked about operating leverage in your prepared remarks. If I look at kind of core costs as a percentage of revenue, you're back down to kind of a low 3% intensity. Maybe what you look like pre the ES spin out. Can you remind us where that can get to? Are you kind of at a level where you've kind of, I'll say, maximize the revenue absorption within that corp cost? Incremental top line growth requires a little bit more investment in corp, or can you push that below 3%?

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah, it's a great question, Kevin, and an area that we're very excited by because, again, that's a relatively fixed cost component that's derived primarily of sort of people and IT related costs. Now, when you think about the last three or four years, there was, as we articulated, a meaningful investment as we did a big large scale lift and shift to cloud based sort of systems, and we had dollars going through there that were transitory in nature. You've seen those sort of roll off, and now you're sort of left with a more sort of steady state dollars. Now, in that unit, if you think about where things like AI is going to bring productivity enhancement, that we anticipate to be an area where that's realizable.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Regular way back end shared services, whether that's HR and payroll, whether that's treasury, whether that's the IT group, efficiencies that should be able to come from sort of more automation and processes should yield the ability of that existing cost structure to take on even larger amounts of revenue. I don't think we're at a position here today to say exactly where that is going, but I certainly don't think 3% is a floor, and we see a path even pro forma going into next year getting below that level. Certainly we believe that's going to be, as we've articulated, a meaningful source of operating leverage for the consolidated margin as that cost bucket remains relatively fixed and we continue to grow revenue and/or EBITDA at materially higher growth rates.

Kevin Chiang
Kevin Chiang
Analyst at CIBC

Thank you for taking my question and good quarter, everyone.

Operator

The next question comes from Tobey Sommer with Truist. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Tobey Sommer
Tobey Sommer
Analyst at Truist

Thanks. I wanted to ask a question about perspective M&A over the balance of the year. With the LBO news, is that influencing your conversations with businesses that you expect to be able to acquire over the balance of 2026?

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

No. No impact. We're running the business normal course. There's no change to sort of strategy or businesses that we're speaking to. It's irrelevant whether it was private or public, we just continue marching on as if we're running the business as is in the normal course.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Tobey, just to add value, the one thing I'd say that's most impacting M&A is, again, just our absolute commitment to sort of the leverage philosophies that we sort of talked about. Unfortunately, when the Canadian dollar depreciates as much as it does, it puts this sort of temporary translational impact on our leverage. We're 10-15 basis points higher than we otherwise would've been, which factors into the amount of capital you can deploy into M&A. That, I would suggest, is more of the sort of balancing act that we're doing. To Patrick's point and his initial comments that he made, we're running and going full force, running our business. Whatever the sort of capital structure of the business will be, will be. It's not going to impact that we're thinking about growth.

Tobey Sommer
Tobey Sommer
Analyst at Truist

Thanks. If I could ask a follow-up on, you mentioned the tight spread and attractive rates in your recent fixed income offering. What do you think is contributing to that? How does that dovetail into the potential IRR of an LBO should that come to pass?

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Yeah. Listen, we've done exactly what we said we were going to do for over 13 years in that market, right? We have a lot of goodwill in the market and always have always punched significantly above our weight on that side because we've always done what we said we're going to do, we've continued to deliver. Now, the beauty of the transaction we're talking about, there's not any material impact sort of on leverage of what's being proposed. For our debt investors, there's no real risk that this is being treated as a traditional LBO in the sense where you're going to have six-plus turns of leverage and material rating decreases. I think we are fortunate from that perspective. Again, you look at the art of the possible.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Even if we did need more debt capital to affect a transaction, which that's not really being proposed in any material way. That market has supported us with 6 to 6.5 turns of leverage for a long period of time, albeit at slightly higher rates. That's where it's stood. I wish sometimes our equity investors would understand the business as well as our debt investors, but this is life and it takes time to sort of mature and understand. That's not a market I worry about in, again, deep relationships for many, many years of doing the same thing sort of over and over again.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Tobey, just to add to that. If you think the spread on that bond that we did was 134 basis points over the underlying Treasury. Our investment-grade peers in the industry would be doing fixed income offerings at sort of 70 to 90 basis points over Treasury. You're looking there, I call it a 40 to 50 basis point spread, and that's a pre-tax impact, right. When you roll that all through, and I've made this comment before, the benefit of becoming an investment-grade company is much less on the debt cost of capital, but rather on the perception related to equity cost of capital. The debt markets are effectively already viewing us basically as an investment-grade credit. We'll continue to march towards that direction.

Tobey Sommer
Tobey Sommer
Analyst at Truist

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Trevor Romeo with William Blair. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Trevor Romeo
Trevor Romeo
Analyst at William Blair

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe I'll have another one on M&A. I think, Patrick, you said that the Frontier integration has gone exceptionally well thus far. Maybe you could update us how that transition is going, what growth opportunities you've identified thus far for that business. Appreciate the comments about the leverage that Luke just made, maybe you could talk a little bit about what types of assets might be in your intermediate term pipeline there for M&A. Thanks.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Yeah. Frontier, listen, that was well in hand. We had a lot of time between signing and closing on that. The integration plan for that was well in hand before. We hit the ground running day one, effectively have that business transition over to our platform now. Interestingly enough, they ran a back-office software called NaviSoft that we run as well. The integration was very straightforward. Payroll's been transitioned, health and benefits transitioned. Now looking at that business on our own KPI program. In terms of new opportunities, similar to what we said on the last call, we have a plan to double the size of the business there over the next five years, that's a combination of organic and inorganic opportunities.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

There'll be some smaller tuck-in M&A, there's some organic opportunities both on the landfill and recycling, transportation side that we think are highly compelling that is going to bolster that. That is well in hand and on plan. No issues, no red flags, all green flags at the moment. That will continue moving in the same direction. In terms of what the back half of the year look like from an M&A perspective, again, the big focus really is on tuck-in M&A that tucks into existing markets where we already have operating facilities, transfer stations, landfills, recycling facilities, where we can internalize incremental volumes in those streams and leverage the fixed cost base facilities that we have. That will make up the lion's share of the back half M&A.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

At the same time, the M&A team certainly continues to work on other opportunities for ES and GIP, both of those divisions are putting up record numbers as well organically. ES had the best June ever recorded in the company's history on a multitude of fronts. The same goes for GIP, had the best June they've ever had. You have basically GFL, the public company, is firing on all cylinders. SECURE, again, posting the biggest and best numbers that they've ever reported in their history. Our two private businesses where we own the 40% stake and the 30% stake, putting up the best numbers that they've ever put up. Listen, we're feeling very good about where we're sitting today, and I think there's definitely more opportunity than there are time.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

We're just using our time wisely and finding the stuff that's focusing our time on the stuff that's the most accretive to us as shareholders.

Trevor Romeo
Trevor Romeo
Analyst at William Blair

All right. That's great. Thanks, Patrick. Maybe a quick one for Luke. I think the updated guide, the free cash flow did have, I think, a little bit better conversion than your original guide. Maybe what's driving that? Just looking beyond this year, I know you have SECURE that will come on at a higher conversion rate, but maybe would just love your latest thoughts on what kind of organic improvements in cash flow conversion you'd be looking for from here, especially as more of your RNG projects come online. Thanks.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah, Trevor, great question. Thanks for that. For the current year guide on the free cash flow, obviously the incremental EBITDA, you have the sort of flow through of that. With the refinancing or recent financings of our debt, you've effectively taken a portion of interest expense that would've otherwise been associated with the growth and flattened that out. That's what's going to roll over into next year. You're maintaining that CAD 445 cash interest despite the higher sort of EBITDA. Working capital, you're getting a bit of a benefit from FX, right? Just the way the math works, because we're in a net liability position, the higher level of FX, while it's a drag to leverage, as we spoke about, you're getting a little bit of benefit there.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

It's really just leveraging that fixed sort of other items of interest, taxes, etc, as we keep sort of growing EBITDA. When you roll that forward into next year, you're absolutely right, pro forma with SECURE, you're going to see this inflection point, bringing that free cash flow conversion of adjusted free cash flow divide by adjusted EBITDA north of 40%. Really, with the incremental free cash flow profile, where the real benefit will come from is, yes, ongoing margin expansion all drops down to the free cash flow conversion line, but it's really being able to leverage a relatively now fixed component of interest as you're able to largely self-finance the growth from your own free cash flow.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Therefore, the eventual reduction of interest intensity in the free cash flow walk, as we articulated in our Investor Day, is going to provide GFL a tailwind to free cash flow growth and conversion growth, idiosyncratically, because our other folks are already at that sort of lower leverage level. Too early to get into the moving pieces of 2027, but certainly there's going to be a meaningful step-up and inflection point in all of those numbers, but particularly free cash flow.

Trevor Romeo
Trevor Romeo
Analyst at William Blair

All right. Thank you guys.

Operator

The next question comes from James Schumm with TD Cowen. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

James Schumm
James Schumm
Analyst at TD Cowen

Yeah. Thanks, and good morning, guys. Patrick, you've built the fourth-largest solid waste company in North America, and you've done incredibly well financially. You've said that clearly you're going to roll your stake. But can you just comment on maybe what you want to do in the future? Maybe it's 5 or 10 years down the road. Specifically, how much longer do you want to be the CEO of this company?

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

As long as I continue to see opportunity, you're going to see me sort of sitting in the seat, or if people tell me that it's time to leave. I started this over 20 years ago now. I don't think I have a better opportunity in anything I see to continue compounding my own wealth over a long period of time. Again, from where I sit today, and I keep saying it, maybe I sound like a broken record, if you see the condition of the business that it's in today, the shape we're in, where the free cash flow's going for 2027, the opportunities we have going into 2027 and beyond, if I look at the next sort of 5 to 10 years, there is a real opportunity to double the size of this business again. We have best-in-class operating systems, best-in-class management teams.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

What I call best-in-class markets. If you look at our seven regions, all operating in similar sort of margin profiles in both Canada and the U.S., with a significant amount of opportunity. By no means are we fully optimized in all these markets as well. There's significant self-help opportunities in these markets to continue making the businesses better. Where I sit, listen, that's why I keep saying I'm not a seller. The public markets will move around in terms of what they believe waste companies are valued at or where GFL should be valued at based on things that we've done. Again, sitting in the seat for over 20 years, creating billions of CAD of value for shareholders, I think we have a very sort of proven track record of a model that works.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Again, whether that's publicly or privately, it can be done in both. The real question is privately, can you just do things faster that you couldn't necessarily do in the public markets as quickly? If you're a dynamic management team like ourselves that likes to do things and create value over time, and we've done that, maybe sort of less popular things at times, or people perceive to be less popular things at times, but I go back and I look at since being public, I look at, we did a whole bunch of M&A in 2020 and 2021, increased leverage moderately, which again, wasn't looked as favorably on. When I go back, those are the right decisions to make for the business if you're a long-term shareholder.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Putting together Terrapure together with our ES business in the middle of COVID and bringing up leverage 30 or 40 basis points, which again, penalized from a bunch of investors at the time. We went out, put those two businesses together, and sold that for almost 15x, right? Those are the right decisions. I think we know how to create value, we know where to create value, and we do it in a very disciplined fashion that continues to compound. I think if you look at what's happened to the margin profile, the free cash flow profile of our business, the strategy continues to work. It's worked for 20 years, and it'll continue to work for the next 20 years. I'm here for the long run or as long as people will have me.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

I see a clear path of just materially increasing my own personal equity value. That's what we're focused on.

James Schumm
James Schumm
Analyst at TD Cowen

Great. Thanks for that. As you contemplate or you guys contemplate these two options, private or public, maybe you touched on this, but what do you think is driving the discount in your stock today, and how can you address it? Is it free cash flow conversion or some of the things that you laid out was that you're just going to create value, and over time the market is going to realize that value? Are you sitting there evaluating, okay, well, if we stay public, if we do X and Y, we can get a more appropriate valuation to our stock?

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Yeah. Listen, we've been public for almost six years now, right? If you look at the math and the dislocation in share price, there was two things. In 2022, levered growth became a very bad thing, and we were operating with higher leverage than all of our peers. That was something that had to be rectified. Even though when you think about using an extra half a turn of leverage, again, I cite the example of the ES business. When we put ES together with Terrapure, buying that from a Canadian private equity firm at eight or nine times at the time and increasing leverage, I think at the time it was like 30 or 40 basis points.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Certain investors started throwing tomatoes at us saying, "Why would you do such a thing?" Now, that created almost CAD 4 billion of equity value for us as shareholders when we recapped that business. Again, you're not always going to be popular by doing the things you need to do to create value. The easiest thing to do is sit here and do nothing and just keep compounding and growing at the normal growth algorithm. That's not our DNA. That's not what we've done. That's not how we've built this business. We would have never built the fourth largest Environmental Services business in North America if we just sat around figuring out all the reasons why not to do things. We generally find the reasons to do things that will work with the overall strategy.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

When you sit here today and look at the opportunities, I think this has been a unique period in time where you had the industry sell-off around this AI trade, then you had us, our discount widening to the peer group, where we've always been plus or minus a turn less or a turn more than the peer group depending what was happening in the macro thematic theme. In this environment, what happened is you basically, industry traded down 2 to 2.5 turns because waste was then out of favor. Then you had us trade down 2.5 to 3 turns because we're out of favor. Maybe it was a SECURE transaction, maybe it was just our lack of industry inclusion.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

There was this broader sell-off where nobody liked waste, that creates the opportunity for other people to come in that have significant pockets of capital. It doesn't happen often, right? Again, it happened in 2022, it's happened now, it's happened twice since we've been public. I always say math is math. We'll continue running the business, build the best business we can build. You'll continue seeing the margin expansion, continue to see us compound free cash flow, continue on the growth trajectory, eventually math is math. The computers, you can't discount the math, right? Eventually we get there. In the meantime, you have this dislocation in share price versus what the intrinsic value is, versus what other people can generate with these assets, and returns they can generate, creates this opportunity for other.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Again, from my perspective, I feel completely vindicated when the smartest investors in the world with the biggest pockets of capital, the largest financial institutes in the world come back and say, "This doesn't make sense." This is the sort of opportunity that we have. Again, from my perspective, these are all the things we've been saying as a board and as shareholders and management, and why it makes sense. Listen, again, I'm focused on the upfront, but I'm also focused on what the path looks like in the future. If it leans towards, hey, we IPO this, then we have a decision to make, or I have a decision to make about whether that makes sense or not.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

I'm not sure how happy my public shareholders will be if I go out and take equity at CAD 50 a share and go back to CAD 100 a share. We're going to have to re-IPO that, they miss that big lift for the big guys that have supported us. We've had a lot of feedback from some of them. A lot of them say, "Stay the course and be patient." That being said, you have others banging on the door, that see this opportunity. We're weighing both of them. We're doing the work, but what's for certain is the business is worth significantly more than it's trading for today. That's what we all know, that's what the conclusion is, we'll just keep driving forward.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Jim, I just add to Patrick's comment that you mentioned free cash flow conversion. When we first went public in 2020, there was a lot of focus on our EBIT adjustments. They said, "Well," and to be fair, it was complicated. It was a fast-growing business. The structure we went public with was complicated. At the time was, when people said, "Oh, you're getting this complexity discount because of EBIT adjustments." In time, that subsided, we grew into it, as we said we did. They're like, "Hey, this is going to pass." No one ever has really talked about that very much. 2022, 2023 comes along, all of a sudden it's leverage. Right. Folks are talking about leverage, as Patrick just alluded to, that was a point in time.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Today, I get it with this quarter with translation and back step up, largely, folks aren't talking about that anymore. Free cash flow conversion, I guess you highlighted it because that's an area folks talk to. The free cash flow conversion is a little bit lower than our industry peers. It is going to grow at a rate faster than our industry peers, full stop. Right. The math, as Patrick said, the math is math. It's very clear to see. It is going to go up from here. Why I give that context and background is I've never heard your initial comment, why is the stock trading discount? I've never heard people say it's because of our market selection, it's because of our business, it's because of any of those fundamentals.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

It really seems to be about transitory inflection points in the math. Free cash flow conversion, if that's the remaining item, that is going to improve at a rate far greater than the industry average. You'll see that in the 2027 guide and then in 2028 and beyond. I think that is a source of the confidence that Patrick has in that it's going to work because you don't need to believe a lot to see the improvement in that one remaining metric.

James Schumm
James Schumm
Analyst at TD Cowen

Great. That's really helpful, guys. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Bryan Burgmeier with Citigroup. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Bryan Burgmeier
Bryan Burgmeier
Analyst at Citigroup

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Just a couple of quick ones for me. First, you announced a update on a couple of RNG projects during the quarter. I assume those are kind of part of the 7 million MMBtu that were under negotiation during the 2025 Investor Day. Just curious if you can add any kind of details around the timing of those projects.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah, thanks for the question, Bryan. Yeah, those, absolutely were included as part of our remaining sort of, sites to come online. The expectation for all this was supposed to be late 2027. I think with the pace at which things are moving, if there was some slippage into 2028, that wouldn't surprise me. I think initially, Investor Day contemplated having that RNG prize, which we called as, now sitting around CAD 125 million in hand by 2028. I think it's probably more a run rate in a level by the end of 2028 as opposed to having it on January 1. Yes, those two projects with one of our existing partners that we have a great deal of confidence in is all part of the plan.

Bryan Burgmeier
Bryan Burgmeier
Analyst at Citigroup

Got it. Thanks for that detail. Then last one, and I'll go ahead and turn it over. Just I know the SECURE acquisition hasn't even closed yet, but maybe just from a high level, do you think about SECURE as maybe opening the door for a little more bolt-on M&A going forward? You've talked about organic kind of growth investments. Just curious about the inorganic side as well. Thanks a lot.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Yeah, nothing material, nothing sort of outside the norm in sort of Western Canada. I think there's the ability to, with the continued investment that you're seeing in Western Canada, both from the Federal government level and the provincial levels and just sort of the broader financial community that's creating incremental opportunity from some incremental organic opportunities, that we'll assess any way we would assess sort of an M&A transaction or any sort of organic opportunity from a return on invested capital perspective. There'll be a lot of incremental opportunity, as you see in the financial results that they put out. That business is firing all cylinders, putting up best in class numbers as well as the biggest and best numbers that they've put up in their company's history. Again, feeling really bullish about it, in terms of the timing on the SECURE asset.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Again, as we said, targeting sort of October 1st, ±30 days on that. I think from where we sit today, we've put in our final information request to the Competition Bureau, in the last couple of days, and we'll just continue working that course. We continue to see no issues, in terms of any regulatory sort of hurdles there from, at least from the seat that we sit in today. Everything is on track and moving in the direction that we all thought it would.

Operator

The next question comes from Konark Gupta with Scotia Capital. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Konark Gupta
Konark Gupta
Analyst at Scotia Capital

Thanks, good morning, guys. I think my first question is to follow up on the private discussion about, the go private discussions you might be having. In light of those discussions, are you expecting to do some rationing on any of the usual initiatives like buybacks or dividend growth or even like M&A, including the SECURE deal?

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

No. Business as usual. No change.

Konark Gupta
Konark Gupta
Analyst at Scotia Capital

Okay, thanks. Just on the Environmental Services and Green Infrastructure Partners, Manon], Luke, if you can share your thoughts and outlook for 2026 in terms of EBITDA and leverage ratio. Thanks.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah, Konark, thanks for the question. What we had said previously, if you look at Environmental Services expectation, but sort of CAD 600 million with some M&A, maybe CAD 625 million of EBITDA, and they'll probably be in and around sort of 5.5 turns of leverage. On the Green Infrastructure Partners business, roughly CAD 360 million-CAD 380 million of EBITDA, and they'll be at sort of 4.5 turns leverage. In terms of the Environmental Services call option, someone had emailed a question in, the initial valuation of that done in December 2025 was so close to the Environmental Services recapitalization. We just used the equity value at the recap at that time. As a result, you're now just going to have that call option, the sort of time decay value being amortized every quarter until you revalue the equity as a whole. We're going to do that annually.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

As Patrick said, the direction of travel of both of those businesses has never been better. With some accretive strategic bolt-on M&A, there's some equity value creation coming out of those as well. We would anticipate revisiting both of the marks at year-end.

Konark Gupta
Konark Gupta
Analyst at Scotia Capital

Great. Thanks for the call.

Operator

The next question comes from Stephanie Moore with Jefferies. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Stephanie Moore
Stephanie Moore
Equity Analyst at Jefferies

Great. Good morning. Thank you. Just one for me. I think you called out that underlying margin is running maybe two times your original expectation. Would love to get a little bit more color there on what's running better than you originally expected. Is it labor? I think we all see pricing is quite strong, but would love to get just a little bit more color there and then kind of your expectations on underlying margin expansion for the remainder of the year. Thanks.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah, great question, Stephanie. I'd say where we take a great deal of comfort is the fact that it's not any one thing, but it's all of the things that we've been talking about. You start at the top line, obviously pricing 50 basis points better than guide for the year, 20 basis points for the quarter. That all flows through down to the bottom line. That's a sort of starting point. Obviously, volume, and the nature of the volume is a headwind versus the original plan because those landfill tons that are missing, although C&D is a small component of our business, it is sort of accretive. That's a sort of headwind.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

When you look at the cost of sales bucket as a whole, the efficiency we continue to see across the major cost categories, whether that's transportation, whether that's labor, is a function of both the optimization and densification of the business that we've done, as well as the self-help initiatives that we'd outlined. It's all of those pieces coming together. When modeling for that, there's a pro forma of the way it's supposed to look, and you want to obviously bake in a degree of conservatism in that. I think what we're very pleasantly surprised with is the rate at which we're actually being able to realize that. Because a part of it is that synergy capture from post-M&A, right?

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

As we've said, the businesses initially come in at mid-20s, and then as you do rerouting, as you do integration, you get that up to an accretive margin. It's all of that sort of coming through. We are very optimistic about our ability to hit the targets and exceed that we'd previously set out. The prior caller had asked, next year, when you think about RNG as being another meaningful incremental sort of margin tailwind, you're really not even getting that sort of benefit yet. When we put that all together with the SECURE business, we're incrementally optimistic as to what the ultimate margin profile of the business can be because of the effectiveness we're seeing in these self-help initiatives that we had laid out.

Stephanie Moore
Stephanie Moore
Equity Analyst at Jefferies

Got it. I'll leave it at that. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Chris Murray with ATB Cormark Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Chris Murray
Chris Murray
Analyst at ATB Cormark Capital Markets

Yeah. Thanks, folks. Luke, maybe turning back to that margin question and just maybe extending it into the 2027 or longer timeframe. You sort of talked about the fact that, I think it was a number of things, but you did talk about labor, you did talk about maintenance. Is this the best that it's going to get now with just sort of moving into being able to leverage the organization? You talked about densification, you talked about different things. Is there any additional opportunities on the self-help? Are we kind of running to the end of those opportunities, and now it's going to be just scale and leverage that you'll be able to drive margins off of?

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Well, Chris, I think it's the opposite. I think we're just really getting started with the self-help. Patrick sort of alluded to this. You got to remember, I think in that Investor Day presentation, we put five items, right? There's a team of people here working on 50 items or more at any given time, all of which could just sort of be incremental and above. I think it's just the quantum of the items. I don't have the list in front of me. I think the procurement fleet-related bucket and that self-help was CAD 30 million-CAD 50 million.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Early days, just looking at SECURE, we're seeing meaningful incremental procurement opportunities for them, just leveraging our existing plan, not to mention what we might be able to do when we go to market with now that broader sort of spend as a result of the size and scale. I think the earliness of the maturation of this profile gives us a lot of optimism as to how much more incremental benefit there can be. You think about AI and/or sort of technology-related things that would be net new to the industry, we're just scratching the surface of that. We take a great deal of comfort that we see a lot of runway pulling on the levers that the industry has already demonstrated to be highly effective and tried and true.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

As this age of sort of technological enhancements is playing out so rapidly, undoubtedly, there's going to be meaningful incremental opportunity coming from that as well. I would say, we feel very well advanced and in hand in achieving the self-help that we set out. I think the next time we come and do an Investor Day, we're going to have a whole host of incremental opportunities that will continue to be tailwind to outsize margin expansion above and beyond the normal course industry algorithm.

Chris Murray
Chris Murray
Analyst at ATB Cormark Capital Markets

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, Pelosi.

Operator

The next question comes from Shlomo Rosenbaum with Stifel. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Shlomo Rosenbaum
Shlomo Rosenbaum
Analyst at Stifel

Hi. Thank you. I actually want to expand a little bit on the last question, the comment that you made, Luke, about some of the incremental opportunities that are out there with AI and some of the technology. It seems like there's a playbook that you guys are implementing that others have already implemented that gives you some runway. Some of the other ones that are in the industry have already pulled those levers, are talking more about some of the dynamic routing that it could do with AI that they're working on, some of the dynamic pricing by customer. I was wondering if you could just kind of drill down, give us a little bit of insight as to, is that something that you guys are working on concurrently right now as well with what you're seeing? Are there other examples that we should be thinking about?

Shlomo Rosenbaum
Shlomo Rosenbaum
Analyst at Stifel

Is this a matter of like, "Hey, we have so much in front of us with the levers that others have pulled, we're primarily focused on those levers?

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah, it's a great question, Shlomo. What I'd say is, and you articulate, we have a lot of opportunity, low-hanging fruit right in front of us before having to sort of reinvent the wheel. As you're seeing quarter after quarter, those are the opportunities we are sort of executing on and capturing. Obviously, we are very invested and engaged in AI-related technologies as well. I do think we have a unique advantage where we're allowing some others to experiment and find some of those benefits, and we don't necessarily need to be the early adopter as we have so many other opportunities in our sort of pipeline. Certainly, we're using AI in multiple facets of our business. I'd say it is more in the early stages, and therefore, the financial benefits of that are not yet really flowing through in your margin.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

From HR and recruiting to pricing to FP&A broader analysis, preventative maintenance, we have AI installations in all of these various sort of things. I'd say it's just sort of early days, and where I take great comfort is if you extrapolate what the margin and cost savings implications of some of those applications could be, they're very large numbers. Going back to the prior caller's comment, we're focusing on the sort of nuts and bolts of the self-help that we had articulated at Investor Day currently, while we are tangentially laying the groundwork for what will eventually be a much larger full-scale implementation of some of those AI automation initiatives.

Shlomo Rosenbaum
Shlomo Rosenbaum
Analyst at Stifel

Okay. Thank you. Just as a follow-up, one of the themes we're just seeing in the earnings for solid waste is really higher pricing, and it seems like the first three companies have all talked about that. Just the volumes just not being where people thought they were going to be for various reasons. I know, Patrick, maybe you could talk a little bit. Is that just, "Hey, the macro we thought was going to get better. There's the Iran war that just kind of upset things, and it's going on longer." Is there anything else going on? Just what's your take on what's going on with volumes?

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Nothing specific. Like we said, in a bad market, volume's down 1%, good market, volume's +1%. That's the range. Again, C&D, special waste volumes are soft. They get higher interest rates for longer. You look at home builders and other ones, just things are slower. We've been calling that out for the last sort of 12 to 18 months, that we saw that perpetually getting slower. I think on the C&D project, not necessarily felt at the same time because generally those projects still have to finish and that volume sort of last to go and then last to come back as well. There's nothing structurally any sort of issues in the market. At the end of the day, we are pricing at the appropriate levels for the level of cost inflation that exists in the market. No one's charging egregious numbers or egregious pricing.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

It's just like we know what our internal cost inflation are, we know what headline price needs to be to sort of maintain that spread, that's what you're seeing. I think that's the beauty of this industry, is it's very disciplined, everyone's focused on the returns on invested capital, look at it in similar ways, I think that's how people are pricing, the market's supporting that. Again, when you look at the average check size of our bills, on sort of a residential home, your average check size is sort of CAD 25-CAD 40 a month. If you're a commercial customer, average check size is CAD 250 a month. Whether that customer's taking 5% price, 4% price, or 6% price, it's not a material amount in the grand scheme of things on a monthly basis.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

I don't see any disruption coming from that side of the business either.

Shlomo Rosenbaum
Shlomo Rosenbaum
Analyst at Stifel

Okay. Thank you.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Thank you, Shlomo.

Operator

The next question comes from Adam Bubes from Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Adam Bubes
Adam Bubes
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Hi. Good morning. On the volume front, just to follow up there, are you able to parse out the performance this quarter between EPR-related volumes and underlying core volume growth? Then within the core volume growth, I think you did mention residential outperforming your expectation. Just any more color on volume performance by collection lines of business would be great.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah, great questions. It's Luke here. Volume of 100 basis points better than plan, is sort of -0.7 versus sort of negative one and a half or in and around there. It was supposed to be negative on a tough EPR comp, right? Last year's EPR ramped. We had some transitional volumes that we knew were sort of falling over. Then C&D softness obviously sort of persists and continues. As I said, the C&D and special waste tons were down sort of 10%, 11% year-over-year. If you look at it in terms of actual dollars, volume was minus CAD 11 million, right? If you look at that, landfill was about CAD 9 million of those dollars. MRF processing, which really relates to the sort of transitional contract I was talking about, was about sort of CAD 2 million on that.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

It's really suggesting all else is flat, right? There's puts and takes in that. IC&I collection was sort of slightly down, as residential collection was sort of slightly up, sort of offsetting it. It's really that sort of C&D ending up at the landfill, as well as sort of that lapping sort of EPR. That was really the majority of it. Within Canada, the positive volumes of Canada, some of that residential growth is EPR driven. Again, I think in terms of dollars, the Canadian segment was +0.5% up on volume growth, so positive volume growth. In there was EPR. I think EPR had a smaller contribution of sort of CAD 5 million-CAD 7 million of that growth was EPR related, and sort of EPR tangential really related to the collection contract side of EPR. Those are sort of the moving pieces.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

If you peel it all back, you really have the normal course business sort of being flat with some headwinds coming from those two items.

Adam Bubes
Adam Bubes
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Very helpful. It might be too early to talk 2027, but just conceptually, can you help us think about growth CapEx next year and the trajectory on the EPR and landfill gas side?

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Yeah. I think a little early for the 2027 guide. Just conceptually, what we had said is GFL's growth CapEx is going to step down materially again next year, and that's going to be more in the sort of CAD 75 or CAD 100, I think is what we had said, sort of half of this year's number. What I'd just sort of reserve comment for is SECURE's model has been to deploy excess capital into organic growth opportunities in their book of business. We'll have to evaluate that in totality. Growth CapEx is going to come meaningfully down, as we said. 2025 was the peak. 2026 is sort of going to be half 2025. Yes, there'll be some RNG dollars required in 2026. Some of that manifests in the investment line as opposed to CapEx, just by virtue of it's us actually making contributions into joint ventures.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

You will have some of that. We'll have to get later in the year before we articulate. What I would just say is, even inclusive of growth CapEx, the overall sort of free cash flow number is going to inflect meaningfully going into 2027.

Adam Bubes
Adam Bubes
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Great. Thanks so much.

Operator

The next question comes from Jake Kooyman from Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Jake Kooyman
Jake Kooyman
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Hi. Thank you very much for taking the question. I'm on for Jerry this morning. Corporate costs were roughly CAD 62 million in the quarter, which is roughly CAD 250 million annualized. You pointed to intensity going below 3% pro forma next year. On the roughly CAD 9 billion of pro forma revenue, that implies corporate costs under CAD 270 million, essentially flat to today while absorbing SECURE's head office and 2,000 employees. Does that mean you're essentially assuming SECURE's corporate functions are substantially eliminated, or is that saving already inside the pro forma framework you published? Any comments on that would be helpful. Thank you.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

Thanks for the question. I hadn't looked at the math in that degree of rigor. What I would just say conceptually is our corporate costs really represent the centralized head office functions that support all of our business and geographies. When we do acquisitions, something like SECURE, the field-level support for those acquisitions is actually burdened within our segments, right. If you think about our reported U.S. and Canada segment, there's a meaningful amount of overhead cost in those buckets that doesn't actually sit in the sort of corporate offices. SECURE will be similar. The vast majority of those sort of SECURE support costs are actually just going to be in the field as opposed to certainly in the corporate. I think the math suggesting, Kevin just asked directionally, there's going to be more M&A into next year that you have to factor in as well.

Luke Pelosi
Luke Pelosi
CFO at GFL Environmental

I would think about your corporate cost bucket, X sort of step changes from sort of a large acquisition or something, is going to grow at a low to mid-single-digit number while our top line is growing at a mid to high-single-digit number. That is the basis on which you're going to get operating leverage. I'm not prepared to sort of commit to the actual CAD dollars of corporate cost in 2027 where we sit today.

Operator

There are no further questions. We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Mr. Dovigi for closing remarks.

Patrick Dovigi
Patrick Dovigi
Founder and CEO at GFL Environmental

Thank you, everyone, and we'll look forward to speaking with everyone after we report our Q3 results.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.

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