Carlyle Credit Income Fund Q3 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Core net investment income was $0.25 per share in the quarter, covering the $0.06 monthly dividend by 139%; the fund maintained its dividend through November 2026.
  • Positive Sentiment: CCIF completed three CLO refinancings and resets during the quarter, bringing the fiscal-year total to 10; these transactions reduced liability costs and extended reinvestment periods, supporting future equity cash flows.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Portfolio credit metrics remained resilient, including a 4.24% junior overcollateralization cushion, 4.1% CCC-rated loan exposure, approximately 1,900 underlying loans, and more than 97% first-lien senior secured exposure.
  • Negative Sentiment: CLO market conditions remain challenging, with new-issue CLO volume down roughly 35% sequentially to $23 billion and loan spread compression continuing to pressure distributions and portfolio valuations; management said the portfolio’s decline in value primarily reflected lower valuations rather than credit deterioration.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Management sees early signs that spread compression may be moderating as amend-and-extend activity and AI-related financing add higher-spread loans, but expects continued dispersion and risks tied to AI, geopolitics, inflation, and software-sector maturities.
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Earnings Conference Call
Carlyle Credit Income Fund Q3 2026
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There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Carlyle Credit Income Fund third quarter 2026 financial results and investor conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1 1 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Joseph Castilla, managing director, product specialist. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning and welcome to Carlyle Credit Income Fund's third quarter 2026 earnings call. With me on the call today is Nishil Mehta, CCIF's Principal Executive Officer and President, Lauren Basmadjian, CCIF's Chair and Carlyle's Global Head of Liquid Credit, and Nelson Joseph, CCIF's Principal Financial Officer. Last night, we issued our Q3 financial statement and a corresponding press release and earnings presentation discussing our results, which are available on the investor relations section of our website. Following our remarks today, we will hold a question and answer session for analysts and institutional investors. This call is being webcast, and a replay will be available on our website. Any forward-looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance, and any undue reliance should not be placed on them.

Speaker 1

These statements are based on current management expectations and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the Risk Factors section of our annual report on the form NCSR. These risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated. Carlyle Credit Income Fund assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements at any time. During the conference call, we may discuss adjusted net investment income per common share and core net investment income per common share, which are calculated and presented on a basis other than in accordance with GAAP. We use these non-GAAP financial measures internally to analyze and evaluate financial results and performance, and we believe these non-GAAP financial measures are useful to investors gauging the quality of the fund's financial performance, identifying trends in its results, and providing meaningful period-to-period comparisons.

Speaker 1

The presentation of this non-GAAP measure is not intended to be a substitute for financial results prepared in accordance with GAAP and should not be considered in isolation. With that, I'll turn the call over to Nishil.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Joe. Good morning, everyone, and thank you all for joining CCIF's quarterly earnings call. The CLO equity market was fairly stable during the second quarter, following considerable volatility in the first quarter. As a result, CCIF's NAV remained largely flat during the quarter, and underlying credit fundamentals remained broadly stable. We are encouraged by early signs that the pace of spread compression may be moderating as repricing activity has slowed from the elevated levels seen over the past 2 years. We also continue to monitor loans maturing over the next few years. We expect continued amend-and-extend activity to address the maturity wall, which we believe could result in wider spreads and other lender-friendly protections that benefit CLO equity holders over time. On balance, we believe the pressure on spreads is now more two-sided than it has been, rather than a continuation of one-way compression.

Speaker 2

CCIF's portfolio saw its weighted average spread remain relatively flat last quarter, driven primarily by rotation into CLO portfolios with slightly higher spread collateral, partially offset by slowing loan repricings. We continue to believe recent CLO equity performance industry-wide has been driven by more valuation technical factors than broad-based credit deterioration. To navigate this market environment, we continue to focus on optimizing the portfolio, including selectively completing refinancing and resets, and defensively positioning CCIF with experienced CLO managers and transactions with longer reinvestment periods. I would like to highlight the fund's activities over the last quarter and key stats on the portfolio as of June 30. We maintain our monthly dividend at $0.06 per share, or 24.9% annualized based on the share price as of August 17, 2026, which is now declared through November of 2026.

Speaker 2

CCIF's underlying investment generated an annualized cash-on-cash yield of approximately 20% for the quarter, which resulted in $0.37 of recurring cash flows and $0.25 of core net investment income for the quarter at the fund level. Core net investment income provided dividend coverage of 139% on our monthly dividend of $0.06 per share. New CLO investments during the quarter totaled $11.9 million, with a weighted average GAAP yield of 13%. Total sales proceeds during the quarter totaled $12.5 million as we continue to optimize the portfolio. Within CCIF's portfolio, we completed 3 refinancings and resets this quarter, increasing the total number of refinancing and resets in the fiscal year to 10. The refinancings and resets reduce the cost of liabilities and extend the reinvestment periods across these CLOs, bolstering equity cash flows.

Speaker 2

We expect to continue to refinance and reset the portfolio to enhance returns. The weighted average years left of reinvestment period increased slightly from approximately 3.3 years to 3.5 years. This provides CLO managers the opportunity to capitalize on periods of volatility through active management. The increase was due to a combination of resets and new investments with longer time left in the investment period. We believe the portfolio weighted average junior overcollateralization cushion of 4.24% is healthy and offsets potential defaults and losses in the underlying loan portfolios. The average percent of loans rated CCC by S&P was 4.1%, below the 7.5% CCC limit in CLOs. We remain confident in the resilience of our portfolio, which is diversified across high-quality managers and structured to navigate evolving market conditions.

Speaker 2

Equity distributions have moderated industry-wide as the compression loan spread has outpaced the tightening in CLO liability costs, narrowing excess spread. However, we believe resilient credit fundamentals and continued demand for floating rate assets will support CLO performance over time. Now I will discuss our CLO equity outlook. CLO equity continues to benefit from historically attractive liability costs. We also continue to see a broadening and maturing base of demand for CLO liabilities across investor types and geographies, which we expect to further support liability spread tightening over time. Any normalization in loan spreads or increase in loan supply could improve excess spread generation, particularly for deals with longer reinvestment runway. Looking ahead, we believe CLO equity performance will continue to depend on manager selection, reinvestment discipline, and active credit management.

Speaker 2

We continue to position CCIF conservatively while selectively deploying capital into opportunities where we believe valuations appropriately compensate investors for underlying risk. We also continue to leverage Carlyle's in-house credit research platform to conduct detailed bottom-up analysis across underlying loan portfolios, including software-related exposures and involving AI-related risk. CCIF's portfolio remains highly diversified, with exposure to approximately 1,900 underlying loans across roughly 1,400 unique obligors, with exposure to any single issuer representing less than 1% of the portfolio. In addition, the portfolio remains predominantly comprised of first lien senior secured loans, representing over 97% of exposure, which we believe continues to provide meaningful downside protection and structural resilience. With that, I will now hand the call over to Lauren to discuss the current market environment.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Nishil. I'd like to provide an update on the recent developments across both the loan and CLO markets. New issue CLO volumes slowed during the quarter as CLO arbitrage remained challenged. Across the CLO capital stack, AAA through single A tranches largely retraced their first quarter widening, while triple Bs and double Bs continued to trade wider than their year-to-date types. New issue CLO volume totaled approximately $23 billion, down roughly 35% from the first quarter, and the lowest quarterly total in about two and a half years. CLO resets and refinancings rose to $49 billion and $41 billion, respectively, from $28 billion and $23 billion in the first quarter. Turning to the loan market, after a volatile start to the year, U.S. leverage loans stabilized in the second quarter.

Speaker 3

The loan index recovered its first quarter loss and has returned approximately 1.3% year-to-date, with the average bid price retracing to around $0.95 by quarter end, though dispersion persisted between performing and non-performing credit. Gross broadly syndicated loan issuance totaled approximately $220 billion during the quarter, roughly in line with the first quarter, while net issuance rose 14% to $73 billion, led by Warner Bros.' record $13 billion term loan financing. Other than that, activity was driven largely by opportunistic refinancing, with new money, M&A, and LBO activity remaining subdued. Credit fundamentals within Carlyle's U.S. loan portfolio of over 550 borrowers remained resilient. Based on first quarter earnings, average year-over-year EBITDA and revenue growth were both approximately 10%, which is the highest growth rate in two and a half years. And within the software portfolio, these metrics are approximately 10% and 9% respectively.

Speaker 3

Interest coverage remains healthy, with an average interest coverage ratio of 3.4 times and less than 2% of the portfolio exhibiting a ratio below one time. Overall, borrower performance and credit quality remained broadly stable. While liability management exercises persist across the broadly syndicated loan market, they remain manageable. The default rate in loans continues to decline from a cycle peak at the end of 2024. The last 12-month default rate is 2.3%, which is below the 2.7% default rate in high-yield bonds. We are beginning to see software companies address their maturities, with amend and extend activity picking up in July. For performing software borrowers, we expect these transactions to clear the market at higher interest rates, while non-performing borrowers that are unable to refinance may increasingly turn to liability management exercises to push out maturities.

Speaker 3

As capital for AI build-out remains in high demand, we are beginning to see new borrowers access the broadly syndicated loan market as a financing source. Overall, given ongoing AI, geopolitical, and inflationary risks, we believe the second half of 2026 will continue to be a period of dispersion, with the haves and have-nots experiencing very different outcomes. I will now turn the call to Nelson, our CFO, to discuss the financial results.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Lauren. Today, I will begin with a review of our third quarter earnings. Total investment income for the third quarter was $4.3 million, or $0.20 per share. Total expenses for the quarter were $2.8 million. Total net investment income for the third quarter was $1.5 million, or $0.07 per share. Adjusted net investment income for the third quarter was $1.9 million, or $0.09 per share. Adjusted NII adjusts for the $0.02 per share impact from the amortization of the OID and insurance costs for the fund's preferred shares and credit facility. Core net investment income for the third quarter was $0.25 per share, providing dividend coverage of 139% on our monthly dividend of $0.06 per share. We believe core net investment income is a more accurate representation of CCIF's distribution requirement. Net asset value as of June 30th was $3.32 per share.

Speaker 4

Our net asset value and valuations are based on the bid side mark we receive from a third party on 100% of the CLO portfolio. We continue to hold one legacy real estate asset in the portfolio. The fair market value of the loan is $2.2 million. With that, I will turn it back to Nishil.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Nelson. We remain confident in the fundamentals of CCIF's portfolio, which remains defensively positioned in the current market environment. We remain focused on experienced managers and transactions that demonstrate durable par builds, strong underlying collateral quality, and disciplined credit underwriting, including ongoing evaluation of evolving AI-related risks across certain sectors. We are deploying capital selectively, prioritizing opportunities that offer attractive relative value across both new issue and seasoned transactions. We continue to draw on the depth of the Carlyle Liquid Credit platform together with our collaborative One Carlyle approach to identify and invest in high-quality CLO portfolios through our disciplined bottoms-up 15-step investment process.

Operator

With that, as a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please stand by while we compile our Q&A roster. Our first question will be coming from the line of Gaurav Mehta of Alliance Global Partners. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to ask you on your comments around signs of stabilization in the CLO market and the pace of spread compression moderating. Maybe can you guys expand on that and do you think that those trends are sustainable for second half of 2026?

Speaker 3

Hi, it's Lauren.

Speaker 5

Hey, Lauren.

Speaker 3

Oh, sorry. Yes, I think there are some signs of stabilization that look sustainable to us. Certainly, there is still a decent amount of the loan market that trades over par that suggests that there will be further repricings on that portion of the market. That said, we are starting to see more amends and extends for 2028 and even 2029 maturities come to our market. If they are in any SOFR or AI adjacent sector, there is significant spread being added to those loans. When we couple that with some newer data center and GPU loans that we are seeing come to market, we could see some spread stabilization, if not, maybe a slight reversal in the trends that we have experienced over the last two and a half years. Though it is early, we are starting to see a pickup in these transactions, and they are spread additive.

Speaker 5

Okay. As a follow-up on the loans for new data centers, GPU, can you expand on that? Like what kind of volume you are seeing for AI build-out loans, and is that something you are targeting for your own portfolio?

Speaker 3

Yeah. So, it is early days. There is an immense amount of funding, as you know, that needs to go on in this sector. Really unprecedented. It is mostly done in the IT market, but it has come into the high yield market and into the loan market as well. So there has been between 5 and 10 of the transactions coming into the loan market in the last four months, but I do expect the trend to continue.

Speaker 5

All right. Thank you. That's all I had.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Erik Zwick of Lucid Capital Markets. Erik, your line is open.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Just taking a look at the size of the investment portfolio. It's shrunk and declined over the past four or so quarters. Lauren, I know you noted that in terms of the primary market, we just experienced the lowest quarter of new CLO issuance in the past 2 and a half years. As you look at your pipeline for new investments today, could you just provide a little color in terms of how that looks in terms of primary market issuance versus secondary relative trading value and it'll be nearing the point, where you could see maybe an inflection in the portfolio size and then see that start to grow again? Or do you think that the current level, given the market opportunities, is where you may be for the near term?

Speaker 2

Yeah. Erik, good morning. It's Nishil. One thing I'd clarify, just the decline in the total portfolio value. It's not really due to opportunities that we're seeing in the market. It's really just been a reflection of the decline in valuations, mainly because of the spread compression. Now on the investment opportunity side, we're always focused on trying to find what we think is the best relative value, in the market today. I think we're seeing more attractive opportunities in the secondary, versus primary. The secondary market continues to be very robust. We're seeing trading in CLO equity on a daily basis. Right now, just given that the fund is we're not raising capital and we're at the higher end of our leverage target.

Speaker 2

What we are focused on is optimizing the portfolio. As you saw in the last quarter, we rotated out of around $12 million of investments into new investments that are either higher quality, higher yielding, or both. That is something that we continue to do today.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Nishil. You mentioned continuing to execute on reset and refi opportunities to bring down the liability costs. I think about 3.5% of the portfolio has reinvestment end dates before the end of 2026. Are a fair amount of those likely candidates for resets or refis, or is it other portions of the book?

Speaker 2

Yeah. We look at every single holdings we have to ensure that we are completing refinancings and resets as early as possible because they can be highly accretive. Yes, the two or three CLOs that have reinvestment periods ending this year, they are definitely on the higher target list of refis and resets.

Speaker 6

Okay, thanks. Last one for me. It seems like new investment yields are coming on higher than the portfolio weighted average. Just thinking about the trajectory of earnings, and I know you use core NII per share as a measure for being able to pay the dividend and that on its own, it continues to stay above that. But when you add in expenses, it is maybe a little bit shy. Just curious about levers to increase NII to cover both the dividend and expenses going forward. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yeah. The one thing I clarify, so core NII is really just the recurring quarterly cash flows minus all of our expenses, and that's why we think it's a good representation of our dividend tax requirement. But increasing GAAP yield, obviously it's been declining mainly due to the spread compression. But we think we might be at an inflection point. As Lauren mentioned, the market's much more two-sided today between repricings and you're actually seeing increase in loan spreads in these amend and extends or maybe a new issue. On top of that, it's continuing to do that portfolio rotation and optimizing it. So rotating out of underperforming CLOs that may have lower GAAP yield, and finding attractive opportunities with high-quality CLO managers, high-quality portfolios with a GAAP yield of low to mid-teens.

Speaker 6

Got it. And thank you for the clarification on the recurring cash flows. That's all for me. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Erik.

Operator

As a reminder, to ask a question, please press *11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Our next question comes from the line of Timothy D'Agostino from B. Riley Securities. Your line is open, Timothy.

Speaker 7

Yeah. Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Firstly, we've noticed some peers in the space have been diversifying their books and stepping into other types of private credit investments outside of CLO equity or CLO debt. I was just wondering, do you guys ever examine those opportunities, or is the playbook for CCIF just to continue to be CLO equity focused? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yeah. Good morning, Tim. I would say, look, Carlyle, obviously a global asset manager. Just within credit, we have over $200 billion of assets under management and multitude of strategies. It is something that we consider about potentially diversifying CCIF into some of the other strategies if we like the risk-adjusted return. On the margin, is that something that we may like to do? Yes. But I think ultimately, the fund will retain its focus on CLO equity.

Speaker 7

Okay, understood. So it's maybe more of an opportunistic investment opportunity. Great. Then just a second question from my end. Looking at the investments you continue to hold that one real estate asset. Was wondering if there's any updated commentary or plans surrounding that holding. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yeah, it's a great question. I'm by no means a real estate investor, but that market seems to move much slower than I expected. We continue to work with our partner on that piece of land and looking to maximize the value. It's just slow moving, but we are focused on exiting that position.

Speaker 7

Okay, great. Thanks so much for taking the questions this morning.

Operator

I am showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back to Joseph for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you all for joining. We look forward to speaking to everyone next quarter, if not sooner. Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions, and thank you again for your support.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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