Howard Hughes Q2 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Vantage Risk acquisition is now closed, with Howard Hughes adding $300 million of capital and recruiting Marc Grandisson as executive chair and David Gansberg as CEO designate. Management believes the expanded leadership team can support selective, profitable growth and mid-teens return on equity over the insurance cycle.
  • Positive Sentiment: Vantage reported improving underlying underwriting performance, with the second-quarter current accident-year combined ratio excluding catastrophes improving to 91.4% from 96.2% a year ago and year-to-date net income rising 94% to $86 million. Its capital position remains strong, supported by a 0.7 premium-to-surplus ratio and an A- rating with a positive outlook from AM Best.
  • Positive Sentiment: Howard Hughes’ real estate operations continued to generate cash and show demand strength, with master planned community EBT up 32% to $134.7 million and new-home sales up 12%. The Park Ward Village condominium project produced approximately $227 million of net proceeds, while the company retains more than $4 billion of future expected condominium revenue, 78% of it under contract.
  • Positive Sentiment: Management plans to redirect capital toward higher-return opportunities, particularly Vantage, while monetizing non-core real estate and using joint ventures or third-party capital to reduce Howard Hughes’ capital burden. Vantage has already shifted its investment portfolio toward short-term U.S. Treasuries and high-quality common stocks, with equities comprising about 40% at the time of the call and a potential long-term target above 50%.
  • Negative Sentiment: Vantage’s second-quarter combined ratio deteriorated to 101.6% from 94% a year earlier, including $18 million of catastrophe losses related to the Iran conflict and $19 million of adverse prior-year development. Management also noted that insurance market conditions are softening, with some property and short-tail lines entering the less favorable fourth stage of the cycle.
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Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Howard Hughes Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during that session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising that your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Mr. Joe Valane, General Counsel and Secretary. Please go ahead.

Joe Valane
Joe Valane
General Counsel and Secretary at Howard Hughes

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to the Howard Hughes Holdings second quarter 2026 earnings call. With me today are Bill Ackman, Executive Chair, Ryan Israel, Chief Investment Officer, David O'Reilly, Chief Executive Officer, Carlos Olea, Chief Financial Officer, and Marc Grandisson, Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director. Before we begin, I would like to direct you to our website, howardhughes.com, where you can download both our second quarter earnings press release and our supplemental package. The earnings release and supplemental package include reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures that will be discussed today in relation to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Certain statements made today that are not in the present tense or that discuss the company's expectations are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws.

Joe Valane
Joe Valane
General Counsel and Secretary at Howard Hughes

Although the company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based upon reasonable assumptions, we can give no assurance that these expectations will be achieved. Please see the forward-looking statement disclaimer in our second quarter earnings press release and the risk factors in our SEC filings for factors that could cause material differences between forward-looking statements and actual results. We are not under any duty to update forward-looking statements unless required by law. I will now turn the call over to our Executive Chairman, Bill Ackman.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Thank you, Joe. Before we talk about the quarter, I thought in light of the significance of events over the last few months for the company, I just want to give a little background on how we got here. In May of last year, Pershing Square acquired $900 million of stock at Howard Hughes at $100 a share, increasing our ownership to 47% of the company. I became Executive Chair. Ryan became Chief Investment Officer of the company, and we said, look, our goal is to turn Howard Hughes, a kind of pure-play real estate company, into a diversified holding company. Our business plan was to acquire an insurance operation, to find a platform that we believed that we could build into a highly profitable and very successful company and one where Pershing Square's investment capability could add material value.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Within about six months or so, we identified and most recently closed the transaction to acquire Vantage Group Holdings. We purchased the company at a fair price. It was not a bargain purchase. It was a platform that had been built over the previous five years, led by two very successful private equity firms. We had an opportunity to acquire it, and it fit very well with our kind of long-term ambitions. Our initial thoughts on going into the insurance business were really driven by what Warren Buffett and what Berkshire Hathaway has achieved over a very long period of time. As part of that thinking, we reached out to a guy named Marc Grandisson, who we had met maybe two and a half or almost three years ago, and someone we greatly admired in the insurance business.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

We thought when we were trying to make a decision whether to acquire a company or to build one from scratch, we looked to Marc for advice. Marc was sort of on the beach. He wasn't sure whether he was prepared to go back into the business. He gave us excellent advice, but we went sort of our own way in acquiring Vantage. Since the acquisition, Marc has furthered in his retirement, and we got him to join the board of Howard Hughes. It was very clear from the first day he joined the board meeting his passion for the industry. It's been a cultivation, or a seduction, if you have a better word, to try to get Marc a little bit more involved.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

We had a stroke of luck, which is that David Gansberg, who was kind of a Co-President of Arch, someone who was in line for the potential Chief Executive Officer role at the company, was actually let go by Arch. He did not win the battle for Chief Executive Officer, but he was a favored choice of Marc, and that created really an opportunity for us. Where Marc was not prepared to come in and be Chief Executive Officer of an insurance company with effectively his right-hand guy stepping in as Chief Executive Officer, he was prepared to take a more significant role in the company. With that, we announced Marc became Executive Chair of the company. David has a non-compete until June or I guess early June of about 10 months from today. We now had really our dream team in the insurance industry.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

That's not to diminish in any way Greg Hendrick or anyone in the Vantage operation. If you look at the 25-year history of Arch, where from 2001, Marc an important younger member of the team and to all the value and learnings over that period of time to his becoming Chief Executive Officer and building one of the best records in the insurance industry. If you look at Pershing Square over time, our most successful investments have been finding a great business and then finding the best person in the world to run that company. When we've combined those two things, whether it was at Chipotle or at Canadian Pacific or other businesses, that's really when the magic happens. We couldn't resist the opportunity to recruit David and to get Marc in place at the company.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

It's a very material announcement. The other thing that I have experienced over time, when you get someone who's run a large enterprise, or for example, someone who's managed a large investment portfolio, and then you've given them a much smaller operation, the magic they can achieve from that kind of base level is really remarkable. I think the same thing really applies here. We have a senior leadership team with enormous horsepower, stepping into a very small, very young operation, and we're very excited about what can be achieved. The market does not yet understand the significance of this announcement. The other important fact is now that we have, if you will, the dream team in place, we need to do everything we can to inject more and more capital into Vantage so it can exploit the opportunity created by the team that we've built.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Vantage benefits by beginning with a highly diversified kind of portfolio of lines of business. You'll see that expand. Marc will find other areas of opportunity expansion for the company that will allow us to deploy capital in a market which is patchy in terms of opportunity, but that's really in Marc's expertise. I have to say that we're incredibly excited about Marc and David. We're excited about the synergies created to combining with the Vantage team and what's been built over the last five years, but still at a very early stage. That's what kind of gives me an opportunity to segue to real estate. As kind of proven by this quarter, this is a time where rates have risen very significantly.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

You read all kinds of stuff about the housing market here and there, and quarter after quarter, it continues to be enormous demand for real estate in our communities. The reason for this is in part political. I'm fortunately living in a city where the city is not run in a particularly pro-business fashion. Taxes are high and going higher. Whereas in Texas, in Las Vegas, kind of our core MPC markets, these are state cities and communities where safe people like to live and very conducive to business, and kind of quality of life. I think that is a great competitive advantage for us. We believe that our real estate assets are phenomenal assets.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

In light of the fact we're no longer a pure-play real estate company, we can take a much harder look at the portfolio and say, which are assets that are kind of strategic and critical for the long term, think land holdings, kind of core MPC assets. Which are assets where there's a better owner who are prepared to buy the asset at a very full price. The team has begun to prune the portfolio and generate cash, freeing up liquidity that can be reinvested in real estate. The nature of our real estate business is that it's effectively, in large part, self-liquidating. You've seen significant condominium closings during the quarter, significant lot sales. Over time, we will sell all of our residential lots. We will sell all of our condominium assets. We will sell all of our non-core real estate assets.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Beyond that, we're going to look at historically, we sort of owned and financed 100% of everything ourselves. We're going to look at joint venture structures. We're going to look at ways to bring in capital. The Howard Hughes platform, number one, we have a phenomenal team. They've done an incredible job building out these communities. A lot of skills honed over time in real estate development. Unlike a typical developer who's got to find a piece of land, we have decades of value. That being said, we have very high-cost capital, certainly as the market assigns it to us. We're not a REIT. We're kind of an unusual company. Bringing in third-party capital where we're a really attractive platform, and much lower cost capital will enable us to earn much higher returns on our real estate assets and also free up additional significant capital.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

What you should expect to see over the next several years is the inherent self-liquidating nature of condos and lot sales, but also an acceleration in the monetization of what you think of as more stabilized type assets and maybe more partnership type opportunities for the company. Maybe even we'll raise a pool of capital that management can deploy in these assets on behalf of pension funds or other investors who love to own the kind of assets that Howard Hughes owns.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Let's call that the backdrop of what we're trying to achieve, and the result of that will be as the insurance operation compounds its capital at ideally a high rate over time, as we invest more capital in that business, as the real estate business in effect self-liquidates, and/or we bring in third-party capital to reduce our capital commitment to that business, we're going to become disproportionately an insurance holding company as opposed to a real estate company with an insurance operation. That's what you're going to see, and we're going to work to achieve that as rapidly as possible. With that, I'm going to introduce Marc Grandisson. Marc, why don't you take it away?

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

I think it would be very interesting to the people on the call, give us some of your first impressions arriving at Vantage, meeting the team, and then maybe give us a little color on the quarter, et cetera. Thank you.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

Thank you, Bill. It's great to be here today. My role as Executive Chairman of Vantage Risk. While it's still early days since the deal closed, I spent a fair amount of time, Bill, with the Vantage Risk team, and I want to thank them all for helping me get up to speed on the business. I am very confident that Vantage has a solid foundation to build out the vision that we've outlined already. I especially want to thank Greg Hendrick, who continues to lead the team, I want to remind that, and through this transition period until David Gansberg, our Chief Executive Officer designate, joins the company. As you may know, Vantage was founded in late 2020 with about $1 billion of capital. Over the next five years, the team has built a diversified specialty platform and a culture that is conducive for profitable growth and expansion.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

This acquisition that we just made, the incremental $300 million capital contribution and the fee-free investment management by Pershing Square open the next chapter for Vantage. Permanent capital allows us to underwrite for multi-year risk-adjusted returns that should generate top-tier growth and book value. Given our current size, we have ample room to grow selectively. The Howard Hughes consolidated financial results for the second quarter include only the stub period from June 4th, the date of the closing of the acquisition, through June 30th. However, everything I discussed today in the Vantage supplemental information that has been disclosed covers full second quarter and first half of the year results for Vantage on a historical GAAP basis, excluding acquisition accounting, which provides a clearer picture of the business. Turning to our second quarter results, the group's combined ratio was 101.6% versus 94% a year ago. Gross and net written premium in the second quarter each rose 29% to $473 million and $325 million respectively. Net earned premium of $295 million was up 22% year-over-year.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

We had an $18 million of CAT losses tied to the conflict in Iran and $19 million of adverse prior development, largely in the discontinued transactional liability line, totaling a 10.2% impact on the combined ratio. The combined ratio for the first half of the year was 96.1%. On a trailing 12-month basis, the combined ratio was 94.7%, both considerable improvements from the previous periods. Year-to-date net income increased to $86 million, up 94%. Year-to-date underwriting income grew to $23 million, roughly double from the prior year. In the second quarter, significant levels of fee income added to these improvements and in total, more than offset the short-term volatility in the new equity portfolio.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

The first half in trailing 12-month results show the trend toward the longer-term result that was laid out in the Howard Hughes valuation supplement that was discussed on last quarter's earnings call. While we expect reduced volatility in results over the long term as we build scale, quarter-over-quarter movements will always have some degree of variability commensurate with our book of business. Importantly, the best metric to assess the underlying health of our underwriting is the current accident year combined ratio excluding catastrophes, which improved to 91.4% in the second quarter from 96.2% in the second quarter of last year. On a year-to-date basis, the same ratio improved to 90.9% from 94.6%, again, showing a positive trend. Let me now highlight what shareholders should expect from Vantage as we look ahead. Vantage's core operating principles are right out of best-in-class performers in the property casualty insurance space.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

One, we're going to prioritize underwriting profit over volume with proper alignment of incentives between shareholders and management. Two, we maintain a conservative reserving approach. Three, we take a long-term, data-driven perspective on loss expectancy and profit margin. Four, we are disciplined in our decision-making. Strategically, we will execute our vision by retaining and attracting top talent, expanding and diversifying our platform so that our ability to capture hardening pockets is nimble and fast. We'll be investing in data to improve the quality of our decisions and better serve our customers. We'll be seeking a margin of safety in pricing. We'll be managing aggregation risk conservatively, and we will be leveraging our underwriting expertise whenever possible. We know that excellent execution of this strategy by the best people will generate return on equity at or above mid-teens over the cycle. Turning to current P&C market conditions.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

In the past, I have described the insurance cycle as having broadly four stages. As a reminder, stage 1 is where the hard market starts. Rates rise sharply, capacity withdraws. Stage 2 is a restoration phase where further rate increases and reserve are replenished. Stage 3, where rates moderate or decline while hard market profits continue to flow, allowing disciplined underwriters to still grow profitably. Finally, stage 4, the industry abandons discipline and chases volume as rates fall further. Today, we are primarily in stage 3, with casualty seemingly stalled in stage 2 and a few property and short tail lines already entering stage 4. Broadly, rates are down from peak and competition has increased, but pockets of attractive returns remain as many lines still show rate level adequacy despite the initial market softening.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

Our capital position is strong and remains well in excess of grading and regulatory requirements. As an example of the relative strength of our capital, book value ended the second quarter as $1.8 billion, versus roughly $1.2 billion of trading 12 months net written premium, a conservative low premium to surplus ratio of 0.7. Accordingly, AM Best affirmed our A- rating with an upgrade to positive outlook. On the other hand, S&P's rating action reflected its group methodology, which included Howard Hughes, as opposed to the standalone quality of Vantage, for which the anchor rating remained A-. We plan to work with S&P and other rating agencies as we progress with our strategy and its benefits as they can be seen more clearly as they develop.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

In summary, over the next 12 months, we will deepen our underwriting expertise and data focus, expand the diversification of our product offerings, and establish Vantage as a preferred home for best-in-class underwriting talent. We are in the early innings of a multi-year story. The permanent capital structure is in place. Underwriting discipline is at the center of everything we do, and the platform is being built out to solidify our principles. We're focused on taking the company to the next level. I look forward to updating you on the progress in the future. With that, I will turn it over to Ryan.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

Thanks, Marc. Really the thesis we've laid out since we announced our transaction with Howard Hughes a little over a year ago, was that we think the insurance business is a very great and unique business that can offer the opportunity to generate incredibly high and sustained returns on equity over the long term if you do two things. First, you optimize the liability side of your balance sheet by bringing in world-class talent to have profitable underwriting growth, which with the addition of Marc and then the incoming Chief Executive Officer and future, David, we think we've accomplished.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

The second is by optimizing the asset side of the balance sheet by bringing in a much higher rate of return strategy than what would typically be a fixed income only portfolio at relatively low rates of return that's subject to a lot of interest rate risk. That's really what we've been seeking to do on the Pershing Square side in managing this investment portfolio for Vantage. If you look at what's happened since we closed Vantage in early June, we have about a $3.4 billion portfolio that was entirely allocated to fixed income securities at a relatively low rate with a duration profile of three to four years, which meant there was a fair amount of longer term interest rate risk there.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

We moved very quickly to rebalance that portfolio to a barbell approach where we have, as of the end of the quarter, which was really just a few weeks after we closed, more than 60% of the overall portfolio allocated to short-term U.S. treasuries, where we take no duration risk, no credit risk. The goal of that portfolio is really to balance all of the reserves that we have so that there is no risk in funding those reserves into the future. Then we also have about a $1.1 billion equity portfolio that we established, which is about a third of the overall portfolio in just a few weeks.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

We think moving quickly to establish that was a very good strategy because longer term interest rates had risen very rapidly over the ensuing months since we closed Vantage, and we've avoided what would have otherwise been some losses on that portfolio. Subsequent to the quarter, though, we've continued over the last month to increase the allocation of equities, and it's now about 40% of the overall investment portfolio. Over time, we'll continue to increase that percentage as we think we have the opportunity to invest in some of the world's best businesses led by great management teams that productively use their free cash flow to create shareholder value. That barbell approach of taking no risk on the insurance liabilities, having a short-term treasury portfolio combined with buying businesses where we can achieve high rates of return, can allow for a very attractive and low risk result.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

To give you a little bit of a flavor, I'll describe sort of the businesses that we buy, which are effectively we like to say royalty-like businesses with strong secular growth opportunities. They're what we call simple, predictable, free cash flow generative businesses run by great management teams, minimal financial leverage, no capital markets dependency. It's been the approach that we've taken at Pershing Square for over two decades and has led to really good results, and we believe it will also lead to similarly positive results with Vantage in the future by continuing to do that approach. We're going to have our Pershing Square, our publicly traded asset manager earnings call next Thursday, which we'd encourage you to listen to.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

At that point, we will be describing some of the new investments that we've made, which are applicable to Vantage portfolio, as well as providing an update on the existing investments that we've had in the portfolio. At a high level, the way to think about it, before we get into those details next week, is we will have a dozen to 15 different investments that we believe are ones that we could hold for long periods of time that will generate high rates of return based on their structural competitive positions, management teams, and strong levels of earnings growth. Before I close on the portfolio, just to acknowledge one thing, which is as we were establishing the portfolio through June to the end of the quarter, that several week period of time, due to some broader market weakness, the portfolio on the stocks was down about 3%.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

It's already in the last month recovered and is up between 4% and 5%. While we're not focused on the short-term results of equity portfolio, I do think it's just interesting to point out that the amount that we've made in the equity portfolio in just a couple of months has already exceeded what we would have expected a fixed income only portfolio to earn for the entire year. I think we're off to a very good start, and we'll continue reshaping that portfolio over time. With that, I'll turn it over to David to talk about the real estate business.

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

Thank you so much, Ryan. After listening to Bill and Marc and Ryan, I think it's clear one of the reasons Vantage is such a great fit for Howard Hughes is that both businesses reward patience, discipline, and thoughtful capital allocation. Completely different industries, but we share many of the same economic characteristics, and that mindset has guided our real estate business for over a decade. It continues to be reflected in the results we delivered this quarter. As I walk through the results this morning, now that the supplemental has been out for over a quarter, I'm going to spend less time going through the numbers of the supplemental and more time discussing what they tell us about the business and why they matter to shareholders. The headline from the quarter is simple: Our real estate platform is doing exactly what we designed it to do.

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

Our master planned communities continue to monetize scarce land at attractive values. Our operating assets continue to grow recurring cash flow. Our condominium platform converted years of development work into substantial cash proceeds. Together, those businesses generated the capital and financial flexibility that helped fund the most important strategic transaction in our company's history. Those aren't isolated accomplishments, they're all connected parts of a capital allocation system. Starting with our master planned communities, MPC earnings before taxes increased 32% year-over-year to $134.7 million, driven primarily by strong residential and commercial land sales. More importantly, demand remained healthy across the portfolio. New home sales increased 12%, including 34% at The Woodlands Hills, 17% at Bridgeland, and continued growth in Summerlin. The number I think investors should focus on isn't simply quarterly earnings, it's a combination of pricing, power, and demand.

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

We continue to convert entitled, developer-ready land into cash at increasingly attractive values while maintaining strong demand from home builders. We've often said that we're not selling land, we are harvesting scarcity. This quarter is another example of that principle. Every acre we develop leaves fewer remaining. Every new neighborhood enhances the value of the next one. Over time, price becomes a much more important driver of value than volume. That's why we encourage investors not to judge this business by any single quarter. Land sales are going to be lumpy. Instead, look at the long-term trajectory of pricing, demand, and earnings. Those indicators continue to move in the right direction. Our remaining wholly owned land bank represents approximately $5.6 billion of projected margin effective residual value, excluding the substantial future opportunity embedded in Teravalis and Floreo. That land represents decades of future capital generation.

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

Turning to operating assets. NOI continued to grow during the quarter as leasing momentum remained healthy across the portfolio. While adjusted maintenance free cash flow declined modestly during the quarter because we invested in leasing activity and incurred higher interest expense, I actually view those investments as encouraging. We're deploying capital today to increase occupancy and strengthen future recurring cash flow. I think the more important point is what this business has become inside of Howard Hughes. Operating assets are no longer simply stabilized real estate. They're generating recurring cash flow while creating additional opportunities to unlock and redeploy capital. They provide predictable cash generation, gives us flexibility during market cycles, supports new investment opportunities, and reduces our dependence on capital markets. We also demonstrated our commitment to disciplined capital recycling.

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

We sold Creekside Park and Creekside Park The Grove, generating approximately $30 million of net proceeds after debt repayment, while achieving approximately a 30% project level IRR over the life of those investments. Those transactions also illustrate how we think about our real estate portfolio going forward. As Bill mentioned, while we maintain and want to remain committed to the long-term oversight of our master planned communities, we've significantly expanded our toolkit for creating shareholder value. As assets mature, we'll continually evaluate whether our shareholders are best served by continuing to own them outright or pursuing alternative structures, including selective asset sales, joint ventures, recapitalizations, or other strategic transactions. All of which could unlock embedded value while preserving the long-term advantages of our platform. The objective isn't monetization for its own sake, it's disciplined capital allocation.

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

If we can realize the value we've created in a lower return asset and redeploy that capital into opportunities with higher expected returns, whether that's expanding Vantage or advancing transformational developments like the Toro District, we believe that's a better outcome for our shareholders. Our holding company structure gives us greater flexibility to make those decisions than ever before while remaining committed to the principles that have made Howard Hughes successful for decades. When we believe capital can earn a higher return elsewhere, we'll recycle it. That discipline is just as important as developing great assets. Turning to condos, they delivered exactly what we expected. The completion of The Park Ward Village generated meaningful cash flow of about $227 million of net proceeds after repayment of the construction loan. Those proceeds are the result of work that began years ago.

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

Because our projects are substantially pre-sold before construction is complete, the accounting appears lumpy, while the economics are remarkably predictable. I often describe our condominium platform as self-financing. We contribute irreplaceable land. Buyer deposits and non-recourse construction financing fund the majority of the development. We largely lock in our margins years before delivery. Today, we have more than $4 billion of future expected condominium revenue with roughly 78% already under contract. That pipeline provides excellent visibility into future cash generation while maintaining a conservative risk profile. Finally, on our balance sheet. Following the close of the Vantage acquisition, we continue to maintain significant liquidity, modest corporate leverage, and substantial capacity to fund future growth. That financial flexibility matters because it allows us to continue investing through market cycles while maintaining discipline around capital allocation.

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

Look, taking a step back to wrap it up, I think the broader takeaways from the quarter are these. The communities are demonstrating pricing power. The operating assets are growing recurring cash flow. Our condominium platform continues to recycle capital, and together those businesses generated the strength that enabled Howard Hughes to successfully begin its next chapter as a diversified holding company. Our real estate platform continues to create intrinsic value, generate capital, and provide the foundation for which we're going to build Howard Hughes for decades to come. With that, I'll turn it back over to Bill for any remarks before Q&A.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

I think we should just go to Q&A. Operator, why don't you go ahead and give us some questions?

Operator

Sure. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile our Q&A roster. Our first question will come from the line of Anthony Paolone of JPMorgan. Anthony, your line is open.

Danielle Diaz Mercerales
Danielle Diaz Mercerales
Analyst at JPMorgan

Hi, it's Danielle Diaz Mercerales on Anthony Paolone's line here. Maybe for Bill, Pershing Square stepped up with $1 billion of preferred equity on Vantage. How should we think about the financial capacity of Howard Hughes right now beyond what the balance sheet allows? Is there more support from Pershing Square that can be garnered to make other acquisitions? Thank you.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Yeah. Well, Pershing Square is obviously very much committed to Howard Hughes. We think the $1 billion of incremental capital is, I would say, what is needed for the company to execute on its plan. We think within the existing kind of resources, asset base of the real estate operation, as I mentioned in my commentary and as David alluded to as well, one of the great things about real estate is they're all different kinds of investors with different risk and return kind of thresholds. Howard Hughes is a very experienced team and an incredible platform. We've not historically looked to monetize joint venture, partner, raise funds, things like this. I expect any incremental capital that comes to Howard Hughes will come from just the existing assets, but most likely in bringing in outside partners, raising third-party capital, that kind of thing.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

I would just add, that is on top of the $2.5 billion-$3 billion that we've talked about that the company should naturally be generating as excess free cash flow over the next five years. To Bill's point, we have over time, more than sufficient capital to be able to meet all of our objectives, both for the real estate business and for its very quickly growing Vantage portfolio. We also have opportunities in the shorter term to be able to supplement that in a very quick way based upon opportunistically monetizing real estate as well.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Yeah, don't be misled by our $4 billion market cap in thinking about the actual underlying resources of the company. The market cap only reflects an underappreciation of the intrinsic value of the company. It doesn't reflect the capital resources of the business.

Danielle Diaz Mercerales
Danielle Diaz Mercerales
Analyst at JPMorgan

Mm-hmm. That's helpful. Thank you. I have my second question. I know it's a smaller piece, but it looked like Park Ward Village outperformed the original guidance you guys gave back in 4Q. What drove that, as it was pretty much pre-sold? Is there anything we should be expecting from the condo business in the second half?

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

Happy to take that question. This is David. I think it performed exactly as we expected. I think with the amount of pre-sales that we had, the amount of net proceeds that came was very consistent with our expectations. There's typically a handful of things that come in at closing that could round the number up a little bit, like the sale of storage or upgrades to units, but those are typically minor. I would tell you that this is pretty consistent with our expectations, and if anything, we're thrilled to see it all close within one quarter in one fell swoop.

Danielle Diaz Mercerales
Danielle Diaz Mercerales
Analyst at JPMorgan

Thank you. That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Next question, please.

Operator

Our next question.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, operator.

Operator

That's okay. Our next question will be coming from Alexander Goldfarb of Piper Sandler. Alexander, your line is open.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
Analyst at Piper Sandler

Hey, good morning down there, congrats to everyone on getting the Vantage and everything closed. A few questions here. First, I'm going to go to David. The beauty of Howard Hughes, and I know we've had this discussion before, but the beauty of Howard Hughes versus when it was owned by prior companies is the holistic approach, the value that's created by not allowing competitors to come on to your MPCs and be bidding against you, whether it's on a shopping center or office, et cetera. As you guys refine the monetization approach, are you thinking about having competitors come on, or how do you figure out? I know you sold some peripheral apartments, but how do you figure out which parts of Howard Hughes now you want to monetize versus previous?

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

It's a great question, Alex. I appreciate you asking. Look, I don't think the strategy's changed. For the assets that we believe we have a competitive advantage by having a disproportionate amount of ownership or market share within our communities, we're going to continue to own those. When I say own, I don't necessarily mean we have to own 100%. I think there are ways, as Bill talked about and I talked about through joint ventures and different monetization strategies, where we can still own, manage, and control the destiny that creates that competitive advantage without having 100% ownership of every asset.

David O'Reilly
David O'Reilly
CEO at Howard Hughes

Then there are those assets that are on the periphery, on the edge, that are assets that don't give us a competitive advantage. For those, we're always looking to monetize at the right time when prices are appropriate.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
Analyst at Piper Sandler

Ryan, appreciate the update on the book and congrats to you guys for moving quickly before rates move too much. Can you just recap? You mentioned a lot of moving pieces. It sounds now like the investment portfolio is 40% treasuries. It sounded like 60% equities, but then you also mentioned businesses, which I didn't know if that meant stock positions that are royalty companies or if you're investing privately in royalty companies.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

Sure. Yeah, let me clarify. It's a good question. What I was saying is, at the end of the quarter, we had about a 1/3 of the overall portfolio in marketable securities or common stocks. We have increased that subsequently over effectively the last five weeks to about 40%. We are not investing, and have not invested in private companies. This is just common stocks. What I was trying to describe were some of the characteristics of the businesses that we're looking for, which are some of the world's best businesses, where they have great management teams, royalty-like in their nature, strong secular growth opportunities. Effectively, businesses where we believe over the coming many years or decades can compound their earnings at very high rates of return.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

Over time, by doing so, we believe the investment returns will be very similar to these high growth, earnings per share businesses that we own. Best part about it is we don't need to negotiate private transactions because the public markets, particularly at this moment, it's our view, are giving us opportunity to buy some wonderful businesses at discounted prices.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Ryan, why don't you just speak to, at quote unquote, almost like stabilization, what should the portfolio look like in terms of percentage? By the way, we have no plans to invest in private assets in Vantage. Again, these are the most liquid large cap companies in the world. Again, next week we'll go into some detail. You can look at the existing Pershing Square portfolio, the names that have, I would say most of the names that you've read about publicly, we own in the portfolio. We've got an additional group of names that we'll talk about next week. What should be the ultimate plus or minus mix Treasuries versus-

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

Yes. The way to think about it at a very high level is we want to make sure that our float or sort of the insurance reserves, the net insurance reserves, are backed by short-dated U.S. Treasuries, so there's no duration, no credit risk on that, plus a cushion. The balance of that is going to be common stocks over time. Our view is that we can ultimately get to somewhere north of 50%.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
Analyst at Piper Sandler

50%?

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

Of the overall investment invested portfolio.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
Analyst at Piper Sandler

In?

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

In common stocks.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
Analyst at Piper Sandler

Okay.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

It could be a little bit higher than that based exactly on how much float is generated. The way to think about it is, it looks like we're already getting pretty close to those targets after having moved relatively quickly. We'll continue to evaluate to see what the right amount is over time. The way to think about it is at least 50% of the overall invested assets should be going to common stocks over time, and it could be a little bit higher than that based upon the particulars of how much float is being generated.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
Analyst at Piper Sandler

To be clear, I think, Bill, you said previously, Vantage was thousands of positions. You've effectively gone through the entire Vantage portfolio and converted all those thousands of CUSIPs to Treasuries and equities?

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Yeah. Sure. It was externally managed portfolio by, I think BlackRock and Goldman Sachs. We liquidated the portfolio very quickly. I think there was a small residual, maybe 7% of the assets that we had not sold by the end of the quarter. With an expectation you should expect that those will likely be gone over time. It's effectively, it's a very, very simple portfolio. 100% short-term Treasuries for the float, plus a cushion, and the balance in large-cap, very high quality common stocks.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
Analyst at Piper Sandler

Okay, then appreciate just one final question. Ryan, I think one of the things, and obviously coming from real estate guy talking about insurance, a little dangerous, but I think what you guys have said before is in general, insurance companies do not need to liquidate their investment books to pay out on claims. The point is that you guys want to maintain sort of that 50% Treasury cushion to allow for any excessive claims. Is that correct, or do you envision that you would actually have to dip into the Treasury?

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Think of the Treasury portfolio as cash that we have available to pay claims as they come due. We do expect claims. Okay. The Treasury book is effectively cash available to pay claims as they come due. What many insurance companies do is they kind of ladder out their fixed income maturities to kind of duration match with how they expect claims to come in. They take more risk, if you will, on the fixed income term structure to get more yield. They're able to do that because of the nature of insurance company float business. We're really not taking advantage of duration of float at all. We're taking the most conservative approach, which is to put aside a 100% U.S. Treasury portfolio to meet any claims as they come in, plus a cushion. On top of that, we own large-cap common stocks.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

We would not expect to be forced to liquidate a common stock portfolio to meet a claim because we have a margin of safety in the U.S. Treasury portfolio we hold.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
Analyst at Piper Sandler

Thank you.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Meyer Shields of Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, your line is open, Meyer.

Meyer Shields
Meyer Shields
Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods

Great. Thanks much. I guess a couple of questions for Marc, if I can. First, very basically, is the expected return from the equity component of the investment portfolio, does that factor into the underwriting margin targets? In your long-term ROE goal?

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

No, it doesn't. No.

Meyer Shields
Meyer Shields
Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods

Okay. Second, I guess on the cycle, you've talked about how we're in phase 3. I completely get that, it does seem like it's much more abrupt than it has been in the past, maybe because of MGAs or access to third-party capital or whatever. Does that impact near-term planning?

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

Near term what? Meyer, please repeat. Near-term what?

Meyer Shields
Meyer Shields
Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods

Near-term planning in terms of just building the business.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

Not really. I go back to what I said in my remarks. I think that we're undersized for what we can in terms of capability. We can definitely pick our spots a bit better than otherwise, and not overly concerned by that. There's always competition, Meyer, as you know. You've heard me talk about this in the past. I think we're a bit more nimble, a bit more on the edges, and find our way around that. No concern at this point in time. If we were multiple the size, we would have probably different conversations, although there are ways to address that, as you know. Right now, where we are, I feel very good about our opportunities, despite some of the lines of business transitioning into stage 3 and eventually stage 4, which there's only a few of them.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

The quickness by which things moved, you're quite right, is a lot of it is short tail in nature, right? Certainly property is one prime example. We're not a huge property CAT writer, as you'll discover over the next several years. That's not as much of an impact for us.

Meyer Shields
Meyer Shields
Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods

Okay. Then one final question. I don't know if it's numeric or otherwise, how are you thinking about scale specifically on reinsurance at this point?

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

Right now, there's a couple of lines of business that I won't disclose here, but there are more lines of business that we could be doing and growing the portfolio. Since we're also building, we're still in the next chapter, which is also including building the portfolio. I would not be surprised if reinsurance will go a bit quicker because we're going to be adding new products, new lines of business. We may have a little bit more reinsurance for the short term to take advantage of some of the opportunities that are there as well on the insurance. As you know, it takes a bit longer to seize on these opportunities on the insurance side. I'll be front-running, if you will, some of the market opportunities on the reinsurance side. Over time, it will be very reflective of the opportunities, Meyer.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

It is the same as before. If the opportunities of the capital is dearer on the reinsurance, we will be providing more reinsurance capacity in the market, and vice versa when the insurance changes. I think the insurance is probably slow build, more slow and steady as it goes, as we've seen in the past. I'll let the market dictate, if you will, the relative contribution of reinsurance versus insurance.

Meyer Shields
Meyer Shields
Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods

Okay, perfect. It's great to hear from you again, and thanks so much.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

Thanks, Meyer.

Operator

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Our next question will come from the line of Eli Dashef of an Individual Investor. Your line is open, Eli.

Eli Dashef
Individual Investor at Individual Investor

Hi, thanks for taking my question. You describe Howard Hughes as built on disciplined capital allocation. Now that Vantage has closed and you have more competing uses for capital than ever, what does that discipline look like in practice? When opportunities compete for the same dollar, what does an opportunity have to clear to win that capital?

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

We believe that we've acquired a great insurance platform. We've recruited a very talented, very experienced senior leadership team to kind of oversee that platform. We believe that capital in the insurance business can be put to work intelligently and earn high rates of return, both in terms of from an underwriting perspective and also from an investment perspective. The priority for every incremental dollar of free cash flow is to put it into Vantage, and that's how we're thinking about it. Then within the asset side of Vantage, as Ryan spoke about, once we've covered our insurance liabilities, the balance we think is a very opportune time to invest in the public markets. Volatility has increased enormously, as I'm sure you noticed.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Also the market's attention is drawn to, I would say, a smaller subset of, there's a lot of FOMO going on where people pile into the same sort of sectors, and that's caused a meaningful number of businesses that we have followed for years become available occasionally at very attractive prices. You wake up one day and stocks are down 25%, based on a short-term factor that once, assuming we've done our due diligence correctly, we believe does not have a long-term impact on the business. It's allowed us to construct a very attractive portfolio. I encourage you to join the Pershing Square call next week. It's the 13th, I guess, a week from today. We're going to go through that portfolio in detail, maybe be able to be more granular in your question.

Eli Dashef
Individual Investor at Individual Investor

Okay.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Thank you.

Eli Dashef
Individual Investor at Individual Investor

Thank you for that. Bill, as a quick follow-up, you're a devoted disciple of Berkshire and Warren Buffett. As Howard Hughes grows into a larger holding company, what lessons from Berkshire's experience matter most here? Where, if anywhere, should Howard Hughes do it differently?

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

I think business quality is, we've learned over time, is the most important metric in our view in selecting Securities for investment. Look at Berkshire over time. Excuse me. Warren Buffett, one of the greatest investors ever. If you go back and read the Berkshire letters, the shareholders, Buffett talked about how great a business a World Book Encyclopedia was, or the newspaper business, a whole host of various businesses that were disrupted by technology. I think, the world has gotten even, I would say, more disruptive. AI is an incredibly disruptive, powerful force. I think the biggest takeaway from following 60 years of Berkshire on the allocation side is error for business durability and quality. I think there are a lot of lessons that we're just following very closely.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

If you look at how Buffett operated, first of all, the vast majority of value of Berkshire has been built in the insurance operations. The combination of selective underwriting and intelligent investment of the capital, the assets of the insurer, has driven the bulk of the value of that company over time. That's why we acquired Vantage. That's why we recruited Marc and David. That's why that's really going to be a big focus of the business going forward. I think the other thing that Berkshire did very well over time is all that value was created on largely a fixed share count. We could issue a ton of equity and raise capital. We don't think that's an intelligent approach, certainly at anything close to current share prices. We think there's plenty of capital within this operation.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

It just needs to be redirected from lower returning assets into what we believe will be a high returning asset over time. I think if we follow those principles, we're going to build a very valuable company over time.

Eli Dashef
Individual Investor at Individual Investor

Thank you.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Thank you for your question. Let's take, operator, next question.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Josh Suffin of Retail, your line's open, Josh.

Josh Suffin
Analyst at Retail

Hello. I know Ryan and Bill said that next week you guys will be touching more on the investment strategy, but I was wondering since the goal of Vantage is to kind of mirror Pershing's holdings, would it make sense to buy PSUS or one of those other Pershing holdings in order to take advantage of the discount to net asset value right now?

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Yes. It's not the Pershing Square USA call, but Pershing Square USA is trading at about a 23% discount to the market value of its underlying holdings, I view that as a very favorable. We like the holdings at net asset value. To be able to buy them at a 23% discount we think is extremely attractive. Let's save that for next week's call.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

If I could, I would say, I think, just real quickly, Josh, to your question. The Howard Hughes stock and the Pershing Square U.S. stock, they also reflect different things. For example, PSUS is a pure play on publicly traded securities. What Howard Hughes offers is effectively two businesses right now, an increasingly and rapidly growing insurance business run by what we think is really the best insurance management team on the planet. It will also have access to what we believe will be very attractive long-term returns from Pershing Square's helping optimize the asset side of the insurance balance sheet, which will be very powerful.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

We have a very good real estate business led by a great team where we will have the opportunity to grow that business, but also increasingly redirect some of the excess cash flows and potential asset monetizations to help grow Vantage more quickly. I also look at them as two businesses. Much like you can observe the discount of the PSUS, you can calculate according to the supplement that we put out last quarter what we think the net asset value is of the business and how that will grow over time, which we highlighted. You can compare that to the share price. Clearly, Howard Hughes is also trading at a very significant discount to what we conservatively calculate its net asset or its intrinsic value at. I would really view it as both are things that clearly we like.

Ryan Israel
Ryan Israel
Chief Investment Officer at Howard Hughes

We are owners, both individually and through our firm. We also think they reflect different investment considerations based on the type of ultimate investment exposure that you're seeking.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Just to add to what Ryan's saying. We paid $100 a share to buy a 15% stake in Howard Hughes, 15 months ago. We've made a huge amount of progress since that time, and the stock price is about the same as it was then, which was in the middle 60s. I haven't checked real-time. This is a business that has, we think, not only increased intrinsic value over the last 15 months by generating cash and growing, but more significantly, we're clearly on our way to building an interesting company with a great platform. The addition of Marc and David to that platform, the redeployment of the capital of that business into higher returning assets. We're excited about where we are. Thanks for your question, Josh, or whoever that was.

Operator

Our next question will be coming from the line of Tucker Andersen of Above All Advisors. Tucker, your line is open.

Tucker Andersen
Founder at Above All Advisors

Thank you very much. I want to thank Marc as a long-term holder of Arch Capital. My question to Marc is, there's been a lot of discussion about how AI is going to affect the insurance business, particularly the P&C business and the underwriting side. I'm wondering how you view AI might change how you want to operate Vantage in the future and what you're doing to take advantage of it.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

Great question. First things first is AI is being used across Vantage, knowing, testing it out, and working with it, helping with the coding. It's already helping us being a bit more efficient in many areas. It's still early stages, right? The way we look at AI right now is going to be a great tool for us to be better at execution of decision making and then gathering data and then getting access to data. That's currently on the way. First and foremost, the companies really utilizing to leverage it for themselves to improve the flow and the processes and the decision making, which We're already doing it. Over time, it's very difficult to see, right?

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

I think that there'll be more and more automation across the supply chain or how we go from the insurer to the broker, to the insurance company, to the reinsurance company. There's going to be a lot more work. Over time, I could perceive possibly integration across the whole value proposition. We'll be positioned to take advantage of it, and it's going to be an industry-wide phenomenon, and we'll be participating in it like everyone else. Is there an opportunity for someone such as ourselves to be a disruptor? Remains to be seen. There's a lot to happen. Clearly it's going to enable making better decisions, and we're already using this then as a tool to help our decision-making.

Tucker Andersen
Founder at Above All Advisors

Thank you. A follow-on question would be, do you care to speculate at all on if it might change the nature and duration of the underwriting cycles as you described them?

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

It could. The only thing I have historically, Tucker, that I can look back on is when we had all the property cat modeling that came to the marketplace. The big argument was it was supposed to be standardizing the way we look at risk, and it would make soft market go away forever. I've used this or hard market for that matter. That was used like in the mid-1990s when the AIR, the RMS, all the cat modeling came up. Guess what? It didn't solve the cycles. What's happening in each cycle. I think it's because it's a human insurance like everything else in between, it's a human system, right? It's one thing that the model's giving you a number, but it's another thing to actually act upon it and execute on that basis. Many reasons for that.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

One of which might be or has always been the way underwriting teams are compensated. There's always these things really mucking around what ultimately the decision will be made. I'm not saying it's going to be the same thing, but the only one thing that I can remember in my lifetime, in my career, that it did not change the cyclical nature of the businesses because there's human intervention in there. When you're going to ask me, when do you think we'll have no human interventions? I don't think I'm going to see this in my lifetime. It gives us plenty of opportunity to take advantage of the market.

Tucker Andersen
Founder at Above All Advisors

Thank you. I appreciate your insights. As a former actuary, I remember-

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

Oh, yeah

Tucker Andersen
Founder at Above All Advisors

The description of what happened well ago. That was my previous life, and I am just counting on you to reproduce what happened at Arch now that you're at Howard Hughes. Thank you very much and good luck.

Marc Grandisson
Marc Grandisson
Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director at Howard Hughes

Thank you, Tucker.

Tucker Andersen
Founder at Above All Advisors

Yep.

Operator

I would now like to turn the call back to Bill for closing remarks.

Bill Ackman
Bill Ackman
Executive Chair at Howard Hughes

Thank you. Thank you all for joining. We're excited about the current state of play at Howard Hughes, and we look forward to being in touch next quarter. If you care to join next week, we will be discussing the Vantage underlying portfolio in some detail. We welcome you to the Pershing Square call next week. Thanks very much.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating, you may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Joe Valane
      Joe Valane
      General Counsel and Secretary
    • Bill Ackman
      Bill Ackman
      Executive Chair
    • Marc Grandisson
      Marc Grandisson
      Vantage Executive Chair and Howard Hughes Holdings Director
    • Ryan Israel
      Ryan Israel
      Chief Investment Officer
    • David O'Reilly
      David O'Reilly
      CEO
Analysts
    • Danielle Diaz Mercerales
      Analyst at JPMorgan
    • Alexander Goldfarb
      Analyst at Piper Sandler
    • Meyer Shields
      Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods
    • Eli Dashef
      Individual Investor at Individual Investor
    • Josh Suffin
      Analyst at Retail
    • Tucker Andersen
      Founder at Above All Advisors
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