Sui Group Q2 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Blockchain ecosystem growth: Management highlighted SUI’s 297,000 transactions-per-second capacity, 1,400 developers, more than 4.5 billion cumulative transactions, and approximately $65 billion of stablecoin transfer volume during the May 10–June 10 period. Coinbase staking, Mubadala’s tokenized private-market strategy, and gasless stablecoin transfers were cited as evidence of expanding institutional and payments use cases.
  • Treasury and strategic lending expansion: SUI Group held approximately 109 million SUI as of August 3, with most holdings staked to generate an estimated 1.7% annual yield. The company added 4 million SUI to its Bluefin loan, bringing the total to 6 million, in exchange for an increased share of certain Bluefin revenues to as much as 11%, while emphasizing risk-adjusted lending and the absence of corporate debt.
  • Large GAAP loss driven by digital-asset marks: Second-quarter revenue and other income increased to $1.2 million, but the company recorded approximately $16.6 million of non-cash losses on digital assets and receivables. Net loss was $18.9 million, or $0.23 per diluted share, versus net income of $677,000 a year earlier.
  • Liquidity declined and legacy lending remains challenged: Cash and cash equivalents fell to $3.1 million at June 30 from $21.9 million at year-end 2025, although management said this represents more than two years of operating-cost runway. The remaining traditional lending portfolio was approximately $2.2 million and includes borrowers facing credit and refinancing difficulties, limiting near-term origination potential.
  • Long-term focus on agentic finance: The company invested $3 million each in AI-focused Nof1 and Recursive Superintelligence and is exploring how autonomous agents could use SUI for payments, wallets, verification, and on-chain data storage. Management described these as longer-term strategic investments whose eventual contribution remains uncertain and subject to testing and risk controls.
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Operator

Everyone, thank you for participating in today's conference call to discuss SUI Group's financial and operating results for the second quarter, ended June 30, 2026. Joining us today are SUI Group's Chairman of the Board, Marius Barnett, Chief Executive Officer, Douglas Polinsky, and Chief Financial Officer, Joseph Geraci. By now, everyone should have access to the company's second quarter 2026 earnings press release, which was issued this afternoon at approximately 4:05 P.M. Eastern Time. The release is available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website at www.suig.io. This call will also be available for webcast replay on the company's website. Following management remarks, we will open the call up for questions. Please be advised this conference will contain statements that are considered forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Operator

These forward-looking statements can often be identified by the use of words such as believe, expect, intend, continue, will, may, should, estimate, potential, or similar expressions. These forward-looking statements are subject to certain known and unknown risks and uncertainties, as well as assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those reflected in these forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are also subject to other risks and uncertainties that are described from time to time in the company's filings with the SEC, such as the inherent volatility and risk associated with investing in SUI. Do not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements, which are being made only as of the date of this call. Except as required by law, the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements.

Operator

For important risks and assumptions associated with such forward-looking statements, please refer to the company's SEC filings. During this call, we will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included in today's earnings press release and are also available on the Investor Relations section of our website at www.suig.io. I will now turn the call over to the company's Chairman of the Board, Marius Barnett.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Thank you, good afternoon, everyone. Digital asset markets remained volatile during the second quarter, but the institutional development of the sector continued to advance. Across custody, staking, stable coins, tokenization, and market infrastructure, the distinction between traditional and on-chain finance is becoming less pronounced. Established financial institutions are increasingly evaluating where blockchain can improve the movement, settlement, and ownership of financial assets. That progression is particularly relevant to the SUI network. We believe the network is moving beyond a period defined principally by technical differentiation and into one where that architecture is supporting increasingly substantive financial activity. For example, the network sustains 297,000 transactions per second with finality at 300 milliseconds, underscoring its horizontal scalability. SUI developer count has grown to 1,400 and ranks 10th amongst all chains by GitHub activity, reflecting the continued growth of its builder ecosystem.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

During the quarter, institutional access to SUI tokens continued to expand. Coinbase introduced direct staking, giving eligible users and institutions a more established access point for participating in the network's proof of stake economics. We also saw further evidence of SUI's relevance to tokenized financial markets through the availability of a tokenized private market strategy from Mubadala Capital on the network. We believe developments like this demonstrate that institutional asset managers are not using the SUI network merely as a simple trading venue, but as infrastructure for delivering financial products on-chain. SUI has also been developing infrastructure to unlock the productive use of Bitcoin's more than $1 trillion in dormant capital. Hashi, SUI's native primitive for this purpose, lets Bitcoin be used as a verifiable collateral for lending and other financial products while it remains securely on its native chain.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

During the quarter, Cumberland, Fluid, SwissBorg joined the growing coalition of partners building on Hashi ahead of its global testnet launch this month. Bringing the coalition to more than 20 marquee participants, including BitGo, Bullish, FalconX, and Ledger. Further evidence of institutional demand for verifiable on-chain infrastructure that can put Bitcoin's capital to productive use. Network activity continued to scale as well. SUI surpassed 4.5 billion cumulative transactions, reflecting the breadth of applications and user activity developing across the ecosystem. SUI also introduced protocol-level gasless stablecoin transfers, allowing supported stablecoins to move without requiring users to maintain a separate SUI balance for transaction fees. Between May the 10th and June the 10th, the network processed approximately 65 billion of stablecoin transfer volume, which we believe provides an early indication of the demand for low-friction payment infrastructure.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

This is an important improvement for payments and other high-frequency use cases because it reduces friction at the point of transaction. The combination of these developments shows the ecosystem advancing across dimensions at once. Institutional access, tokenized assets, payments, infrastructure, and underlying network usage. We believe this reinforces the long-term rationale for aligning SUI Group with the SUI ecosystem. SUI's parallel execution model, object-centric architecture, and low latency settlement were designed for applications that require high transaction volumes, predictable execution, and composability across financial products. These attributes become increasingly important as blockchain infrastructure is adopted for payments, trading, tokenized assets, and autonomous financial systems. In our view, institutional adoption will ultimately concentrate around networks capable of supporting those use cases reliably and at scale. Turning to our treasury, as of the 3rd of August 2026, we have approximately 109 million SUI tokens.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

A significant majority of our holdings are staked, generating an estimated annual yield of approximately 1.7% and approximately 5,300 SUI per day. Based on the closing prices of SUIG common stock and SUI on August the 3rd, we are trading at an approximate mNAV of 0.72x. A full mNAV calculation is included in the back of our Q2 2026 earnings PR release before the call. Native staking is an important component of the treasury, but it is only one component. We are also evaluating opportunities to enhance balance sheet productivity by lending capital to our ecosystem and strategic partners on a risk-adjusted basis. Our expanded relationship with Bluefin reflects that approach. Bluefin has developed a broad financial platform on SUI's network, spanning perpetual and spot trading, lending, liquidity, and vault infrastructure.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

During the quarter, we lent an additional 4 million SUI tokens to Bluefin, bringing our total commitment to 6 million SUI tokens. In exchange, our participation in certain Bluefin revenues increased from 5%-11%, payable in SUI. The amended agreement has an initial term extending through September 2028. We view the infrastructure as more than a lending arrangement. It gives SUI Group economic exposure to the development of what we believe to be a core financial venue within the ecosystem and creates a return profile that is distinct from passive staking. It also demonstrates the role we believe SUI Group can occupy over time, a source of strategic capital for businesses building meaningful financial infrastructure on the SUI network, where the terms provide an appropriate balance of return, risk, and alignment. Active treasury management also requires a willingness to reduce exposure when conditions change.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

During Q2, following a reassessment of the risks associated with certain DeFi activities, we unwound those positions and recovered all amounts deployed. We do not regard capital deployments as permanent simply because a position has been established. Counterparty, protocol, liquidity, and operational risks must be evaluated continuously, particularly in markets that are developing rapidly. Separately, as of June the 30th, 2026, we have approximately 10 million SUI USD. Stablecoins are essential components of on-chain financial markets because they provide the monetary base for payments, trading, lending, and settlement. Our participation in SUI USD is currently strategic rather than a material source of near-term revenue. It is intended to support liquidity and adoption within the SUI ecosystem, while positioning SUI Group alongside infrastructure that could become more economically significant as the network develops.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

We also continue to selectively allocate capital into high conviction themes at the intersection of digital assets, financial technology, and artificial intelligence, where we believe some of the most consequential developments in agentic finance are beginning to take shape. One early example is Walrus, a decentralized storage network built on SUI that allows AI agents to persist and retrieve memory on-chain. Its Walrus Memory product recorded its first full month of agentic use in June, with more than 3,500 unique agent owners and over 80,000 memory registered by agents. This emerging activity reinforces our view that autonomous systems will increasingly require specialized intelligence and infrastructure designed to support complex financial decision-making. Acting on our conviction in agentic finance, we invested $3 million through a SAFE in Nof1, an artificial intelligence research company developing frontier artificial intelligence models specifically for financial markets.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Its Alpha Arena platform was designed as a live benchmark to evaluate whether leading AI models could generate returns using real capital and autonomous trading decisions. The initial results demonstrated the limitations of general-purpose models in financial markets and reinforced Nof1's thesis that effective AI-driven trading will require specialized training, infrastructure, and execution capability. Nof1 is now developing its own models with expanded reasoning, research, and multi-step execution capabilities. Over time, we intend to evaluate whether those models can be used to support treasury yield and return generation, subject to appropriate testing, oversight, and risk controls. We also invested $3 million in Recursive Superintelligence as part of its $650 million financing round, which valued the company at more than $4 billion.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Its work is focused on creating systems that can support continuous self-directed scientific discovery rather than operating within a fixed set of predefined tasks. The company's team includes researchers and entrepreneurs with experience across OpenAI, DeepMind, Google Brain, and Meta. We believe that combination of technical depth and long-duration research ambition provides SUI Group with exposure to foundational capabilities that could influence how advanced autonomous systems operate across finance and other industries. Nof1 and Recursive address different parts of the opportunity. Nof1 is focused on the near-term application of specialized agentic artificial intelligence to financial markets, while Recursive is pursuing the underlying capabilities that could define the next generation of artificial intelligence. Together, these investments reflect our view that agentic finance will be shaped by both sides of that equation. Increasingly capable autonomous systems and programmable financial infrastructure through which those systems can transact.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

As our activities expand, we are also focused on strengthening the institutional capabilities required to support the next phase of our development. That includes deepening our leadership bench, enhancing financial oversight, and ensuring that our governance and operating structure continue to evolve with the scale and complexity of the platform. The recent appointment of Kristina Campbell as an independent director and Chair of SUI Group's Audit Committee is an important example of that effort. Kristina brings more than two decades of experience across digital assets, fintech, payments, and high-growth technology companies. She currently serves as Chief Financial Officer of Wrapbook and previously served as Chief Financial Officer of Ripple Labs and PayNearMe. Her experience building finance organizations, navigating evolving accounting and regulatory requirements, and overseeing digital assets related financial governance will be directly relevant as we continue to scale.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

More broadly, the board is continuing to assess the leadership, governance, and organizational capabilities required to support SUI Group's long-term strategy. We want to ensure that our business has the depth of talent, financial discipline, and operating infrastructure necessary to evaluate opportunities effectively and manage the balance sheet responsibility. Over the past year, SUI Group has progressed from establishing a treasury position to actively enhancing balance sheet productivity through risk-adjusted lending to our ecosystem and strategic partners, and selectively allocating capital to technologies that we believe could shape the future of digital finance. Looking ahead, we remain focused on increasing SUI per share and improving the productivity of our balance sheet to generate attractive long-term returns. We believe these initiatives, coupled with our prudent approach to capital allocation, will enable us to deliver durable value to our shareholders.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

With that, I'll turn the call over to Doug Polinsky, our Chief Executive Officer, to provide an update on our specialty finance operations.

Douglas Polinsky
CEO at SUI Group

Thank you, Marius, and thank you everyone for joining today's call. I'll provide a brief update on our legacy specialty finance business, where our focus is on actively managing the existing portfolio and protecting the value of the remaining investments. As we have discussed in prior periods, that business was built around providing short-term, non-bank financing solutions and generating returns through interest income, transaction fees, and related investments. While the portfolio is now substantially smaller than it was historically, we continue to apply the same disciplined approach to underwriting, credit oversight, and portfolio management. During the first half of the year, we received approximately $900,000 of repayments and redemptions from legacy investments. As of June 30th, 2026, our remaining traditional lending portfolio consisted primarily of approximately $2.2 million of non-bank loans measured at fair value.

Douglas Polinsky
CEO at SUI Group

We're continuing to monitor borrower performance, evaluate collateral and available sources of repayment, and work through individual positions to maximize recoveries. Certain borrowers continue to face credit and refinancing challenges, and we are addressing those situations on a loan-by-loan basis while considering the full range of contractual remedies available to us. Given the size and current composition of the portfolio, we do not expect our lending business to be a significant driver of new originations in the near term. We will remain selective, however, and would consider an opportunity where we have appropriate collateral protection, clear visibility into repayment, and a return profile that adequately compensates us for the risk. Although we continue to see selective opportunities in specialty finance, our resources and long-term priorities are increasingly concentrated on maximizing the value of SUI Group through scalable, transparent, and long-term value creation strategies.

Douglas Polinsky
CEO at SUI Group

With that, I'd like to turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Joseph Geraci, to take you through our financial results. Joe?

Joseph Geraci
CFO at SUI Group

Thank you, Doug. A quick reminder as we review our second quarter financial results, all comparisons and variance commentary refer to the prior year quarter unless otherwise specified. Due to our strategic shift on July 31, 2025, from our specialty finance business toward blockchain-native treasury management, our historical financial condition and results of operations for the period presented may not be comparable. Total revenue and other income for the second quarter of 2026 was $1.2 million compared to $948,000 in Q2 2025. The increase was primarily driven by the generation of SUI staking revenue and digital lending interest income from our SUI digital asset treasury strategy. Our second quarter 2026 results include approximately $16.6 million of non-cash losses on digital assets and receivables, consisting of $18.9 million in realized losses, partially offset by an approximately $2.3 million unrealized gain.

Joseph Geraci
CFO at SUI Group

The realized loss includes a $14 million loss recognized in connection with the additional SUI loan to Bluefin and a $2.4 million loss related to the return of SUI tokens from Galaxy Digital in its capacity as our asset manager. The realized gains and losses were primarily driven by mark-to-market adjustments due to the change in the price of SUI during the period. These U.S. GAAP required accounting treatments reflect changes in estimated fair value and strategic deployment of digital assets and do not represent an actual cash outflow or impact our liquidity. As a result, total operating expenses, including the aforementioned non-cash losses on digital assets and receivables in Q2 2026, were $20.1 million compared to approximately $2,000 in Q2 2025. Excluding the non-cash losses on digital assets and receivables, operating expenses for the second quarter of 2026 were $3.4 million.

Joseph Geraci
CFO at SUI Group

Net loss for the second quarter of 2026 was $18.9 million or $0.23 per diluted share, compared to net income of approximately $677,000 or $0.11 per diluted share in Q2 2025. As of June 30, 2026, cash and cash equivalents were $3.1 million compared to $21.9 million as of December 31, 2025. This concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open it up for questions from those participating in the call. Operator, back to you.

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. Our first question is from Brian Kinstlinger with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.

Kevin Pimental
Kevin Pimental
Analyst at Alliance Global Partners

Hi, this is Kevin for Brian. Thank you for taking our questions. First question is, while the price of SUI is being pressured, what are management's top two or three priorities?

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Hey, Kevin. Marius here. Yeah, look, obviously our priority for a long time has been looking at risk across the whole business. I think we've taken a very disciplined approach to risk. We maintain quite a lot of cash on our balance sheet so that we're not under pressure to have to sell SUI or to sell shares in the market to fund the business. We haven't taken any debt on the business, so we're in a very comfortable position from an operating perspective. I think the second thing is looking at yield return. We continue to look at risk-adjusted ways to get significant return on the balance sheet. That obviously, as you know, we removed all SUI tokens from DeFi in the last quarter, the previous quarter. However, we expanded the partnership with Bluefin.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

That loan is yielding approximately 5%-6%, but has a lot of embedded optionality in it if DeFi returns to the levels that it was. That's on a bilateral basis that we did that. We're also looking at different lends to market makers and institutional lenders to continue to enhance return.

Kevin Pimental
Kevin Pimental
Analyst at Alliance Global Partners

Got it. Thanks. I guess on the Bluefin partnership that you just spoke about, what drove the decision to increase the loan to 6 million SUI and raise your revenue share to 11%? What milestones or growth on the Bluefin platform would drive more material contribution to the company?

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Yeah. The Bluefin platform bought the biggest lending business on the SUI ecosystem called Suilend. It was part of an acquisition. The extra lend was part of us actually financing them to actually buy Suilend, which is the biggest lending platform and increase the size of their business quite dramatically. It wasn't just a single transaction. It was on a risk-adjusted basis. They were increasing revenues within their business. We think that consolidation in these markets generally across the board is happening more and more every day. That actually, they can be much bigger businesses in the longer term as they add product sets. We felt it was a very good acquisition, how they negotiated it.

Kevin Pimental
Kevin Pimental
Analyst at Alliance Global Partners

Got it. Makes sense. You talked about it a little bit prior, but with the crypto prices and particularly the pressure on SUI, what is the demand like for similar partnerships to that Bluefin deal that can result in outsized yield? Has that pressure on SUI resulted in the pipeline shrinking or are there any delays in that?

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Look, there are opportunities around, the key for us is, as you say, risk. We need to be certain that we've got the right structures in place and that the company has the right balance sheet. We don't look at this as a lend in any form as an equity investment. We expect at the end of the term, if we want our SUI tokens back, that we will receive them back. That's why we take a deep approach to looking at risk. Obviously, with the SUI price being down and general DeFi across all different blockchains being dramatically reduced in the ecosystem, number one, because pricing's down, number two, from Q1 there were quite a lot of hacks in the market. That definitely seems to be getting under control slowly as we go along.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

The hacks, there are still one or two that have happened in the last quarter. Certainly, a lot of these protocols have toughened up and are using there are a lot more good people in the world than bad people. The same way AI is used on a negative basis for security, it's being used on a positive basis to enhance security as well. We do see the opportunities, they, I suppose because of our risk-adjusted approach of how we look at this and how we look at risk, a lot of them don't meet the criteria to do that. That's why we look at what we call more like an institutional lending basis, where we develop relationships with market makers and institutional businesses that have better balance sheets to take on that risk.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

It may mean slightly less yield versus going into DeFi markets, from a risk perspective, we believe it makes more sense.

Kevin Pimental
Kevin Pimental
Analyst at Alliance Global Partners

Got it. That makes sense. Last question. As of some June reports, the SUI blockchain was failing considerably on some of the competing smart contract blockchains like Ethereum and Solana. What do you think can be done to improve the churn in users on chain? Would that be something like building more dApps, greater adoption of stablecoins, or something else?

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Look, I think SUI's got extremely focused team and business. There are approximately 1,400 developers on the chain at the moment, and it's in the top 10 blockchains there are. Denny put out a great blog post, and the team's been very vocal on the key areas that they've been focusing on. Stablecoin volumes hit all-time highs in the last month. The speed of the blockchain, they were able to maintain 297,000 transactions per second. There's a lot of work that's being put into privacy transactions on chain. I think there's some very exciting projects. I think the key longer term is the outlier here, which can really move the crypto markets, in my view, is agentic commerce and agentic finance. Like we've always said, those sectors are primed to use blockchain, their payments and wallets and rails to operate.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

In my view, it's a question of not if, but when that breakout app or company will use it.

Kevin Pimental
Kevin Pimental
Analyst at Alliance Global Partners

Got it. Makes sense. Thanks a lot for answering.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

I think that it needs one of the major AI companies to demonstrate it as a proof case.

Kevin Pimental
Kevin Pimental
Analyst at Alliance Global Partners

Got it. Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question is from Gareth Gacetta with Cantor. Please proceed with your question.

Gareth Gacetta
Gareth Gacetta
Analyst at Cantor

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question. We were pretty excited to see the OpEx profile this quarter. You guys improved to the tune of nearly $40 million there. I was wondering if you could talk about where we sit from a run rate perspective, maybe excluding the mark-to-market on your digital assets, but in terms of kind of the operating cost base, where might there be any additional efficiencies achieved over time, and where might traditional run rates play out?

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Yeah, I think we spent a lot, and we've spoken about this before, of how much time we spent on bringing the operational cost of the business down. I think over the last 12 months, we've brought it down by about 50%, and there are certainly some areas we still can bring it down. I think from a cash and cash equivalents on the balance sheet at the moment, we've got over two years runway of operating cost, and that excludes any yield or return that we get from the balance sheet or income from the loans or anything. I think we're sitting very comfortably at the moment.

Gareth Gacetta
Gareth Gacetta
Analyst at Cantor

Awesome. That's great to hear. Maybe you could just touch on, as you guys think about the structure of the cost profile of the business and some of these additional investments or areas that you may look to go down, how do you think about weighing with this cash balance you have, buybacks of common stock versus an investment in something like Nof1 or Recursive Superintelligence? Just thinking about if you have some excess cash, and I know two years is a decent amount of time, but could you potentially put that cash to use elsewhere in terms of generating some shareholder value?

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Definitely. We're constantly looking at that and seeing where we can do that. It's obviously, as we always said, it's a question of risk where we look to these other transactions. We look at not only the underwriting of the transaction itself, that it's a good investment and can return better, that it can also significantly move the needle. We're not here to invest in a high-risk transaction where we can also potentially get a 5% IRR for investor capital. There's a balance here between looking at risk and capital and deploying it, and then making sure also that there is a strategic fit there. There's lots of transactions we've seen into some of these bigger companies that we don't see as a fit.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

The key here is duty, personally as a big shareholder of the company, we're always looking at how we can enhance return and look at these transactions. Yeah, it needs to fit the right risk profile and it needs to fit the right strategic profile as well.

Gareth Gacetta
Gareth Gacetta
Analyst at Cantor

Got it. That's really helpful. I know it's still early days here, but I wanted to touch on the management structure. Can you provide any color on how you're thinking about what this enhancement might mean for SUI's next phase? Maybe what did the structure look like in the past, and if you could have a perfect world where you might see things like a year or two down the line?

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Yeah, look, we're constantly looking at how we enhance the management structure and the right alignment for the company. At this point in time, we can't give an update, but we have made a public announcement that we looking at it from a longer term. Hopefully in the next quarter, we can give you some more clarity on that.

Gareth Gacetta
Gareth Gacetta
Analyst at Cantor

Okay, great. Thanks for taking the questions. I'll hop back in the queue.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question is from Devin Ryan with Citizens Bank. Please go ahead.

Noah Katz
Analyst at Citizens Bank

Hey, this is Noah Katz on for Devin. Thanks for taking my questions. Appreciate all the comments today about the agentic economy. To start, I think maybe we should focus on your recent investments with both Nof1 and Recursive, positioning yourselves as a strong and ready player within the agentic economy. We are seeing some established platforms introduce AI tools for research and investing. As you think through the next phase of what agentic tools and products could look like, and also on your pipeline within agentic finance, where are you seeing the most interesting new products or companies being built, and how will SUI help these businesses in effect bring that agentic activity onto SUI? Thanks.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Yeah, thanks. It is a great question. Look, AI is moving extremely quickly. We look at it in an amount of announcements every week of advancements and breakthroughs and everything. It is hard to even keep up on an announcement basis on a weekly. We are constantly assessing that. The key here is having on a piece of paper, a lot of these protocols and these functionalities that they run make a lot of sense to use with blockchain or blockchain rails. Instead of waiting for somebody to build on it, is to go out and find the right fitting points so that we can also try push that agenda into some of these businesses.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

The two transactions that we have made, we underwrite them on a transaction basis, that they are good investments, and then that they have got the potential for us to bring in SUI, the founders of SUI, and look at how we can collaborate with those businesses in the longer term. These are not very short-term plays. They are much longer term plays. To see how we can integrate those businesses from both sides, from the investment target company investment side and from the SUI blockchain side. The key areas for me of it are certainly the payment side of things using agentic agents and how they pay and use wallets on these chains. When we think about that, you are no longer thinking of a finite population. The world's population is, I do not know the exact number, 8 billion or 9 billion or something.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

We could have hundreds of trillions of agents operating in time that connect with each other and then need a verifiable proof of that they performed the operation and a place to store the operation. We think that SUI's integrated stack is super well-positioned for this to not only transact but to be able to store the transactions with protocols like Walrus there to be able to use privacy on-chain and various functionalities that are all embedded in the stack. We are very bullish on AI and the potential for it. Crypto has had many headwinds in the last nine months or so. That has been a combination of various different factors. There is a lot more stability in my personal view in the market at the moment.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

I think the Bitcoin miners who all pivoted to data centers and they used the CapEx that are required, a lot of them used by selling their Bitcoin on their balance sheet to then fund the pivot into AI data centers. I think a large majority of that is out the way. I think that there has been a lot of clean out. I think we've always seen that crypto, the blockchains, and the market is driven a lot also by retail. Retail certainly has moved with AI mania across the world to different parts of the sector. I'm not sure if you saw in the last quarter, there was an article that over 300,000 or 400,000 retail accounts in Korea were liquidated in the tech sector. Those type of things are factors we're watching from the retail side.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

On the institutional side of the sector, I think it's the most bullish I've seen it in a long, long time. Stable coin adoption is really progressing. We see some major transactions in that part of the market. On the perps and prediction markets, those markets continue to reach all-time highs and volumes continue and there's a big integration play with blockchains. Their real-world tokenization continues to advance. I think that a long-term agentic finance and commerce is a key area to watch.

Noah Katz
Analyst at Citizens Bank

Yeah, thanks for all that. I second everything you just said. I think you, as a follow-up, I think you kind of went into it a little bit, but it's been argued agents are going to favor infrastructure with low fees, faster settlement, programmable permissions. Can you speak to what SUI offers today and how you differentiate yourselves towards building a platform that will drive more agents to transact?

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Yeah. I think the key thing about the SUI blockchain, as you peel away the layers, is to start at the bottom. Because of the way that the blockchain is actually structured and the scalability of it's got infinite scalability. It's not necessarily about how many transactions it can handle. It's that as you bring on more capacity in the chain, so the speed is not prejudiced and you've got infinite scalability there within the chain. That allows you to go through serious amounts of volume very quickly. I think recently in the last quarter, SUI also introduced gasless transactions with stable coins, so they're actually free. I think when you're looking at payments, one of the key things with payments when you're making payments is understanding what your transaction fees are for a payment and having an exact number for that.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

SUI's always offered that, actually, you're not dependent on what the block's going to cost. They always solve that problem. Bringing the cost down, a lot of these protocols, I see it all over saying there was only this much revenue on the protocol. From that KPI perspective, I personally don't just look at it. That's one of the KPIs, revenue. Actually what you want to do is bringing revenue down on-chain, not up. You want to look at how many transactions are actually taking place on-chain and how many users are using it, not the revenues. Because you want the revenues to be as cheap as possible because that's how you're going to get adoption here. The one thing about stable coins has always been that they're 24/7, 365, I don't know, a hundredth of the price of a wire transfer.

Marius Barnett
Chairman of the Board at SUI Group

Business and big business and institutions and users will adopt where you see that sort of efficiency and you can trust it. I think the trust is a big component. I think the second thing from a perspective of agentic commerce and finance is that you need to be able to store these transactions. You need to be able to verify that they've taken place. You need privacy. I think what SUI's built is a fully integrated stack where this is all embedded in each other. That's not to say other chains can't do this, but if you look at some of the other chains, they'll have to integrate it together with different protocols to get all that functionality. I think what SUI's built is resembling, in inverted commas, an AWS stack here, where it's a fully integrated stack with turnkey solution for this to take place.

Noah Katz
Analyst at Citizens Bank

That sounds good. Thank you. Excited to hear more.

Operator

This now concludes our question and answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference. Please disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.

Analysts
    • Marius Barnett
      Chairman of the Board at SUI Group
    • Douglas Polinsky
      CEO at SUI Group
    • Joseph Geraci
      CFO at SUI Group
    • Kevin Pimental
    • Gareth Gacetta
      Analyst at Cantor
    • Noah Katz
      Analyst at Citizens Bank