Johnson & Johnson Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 18, 2022

Key Takeaways

  • Worldwide Q3 sales of $23.8 B, up 1.9% reported and 8.1% operational despite a 6.2-point FX headwind.
  • Pharmaceutical sales reached $13.2 B, up 2.6% reported and 9% operational (8.9% ex‐vaccine), driven by DARZALEX, Tremfya, STELARA and ERLEADA.
  • MedTech delivered $6.8 B in sales, +2.1% reported and 8.1% operational growth, led by new devices and market share gains despite China procurement headwinds.
  • Johnson & Johnson reaffirmed and tightened full-year 2022 guidance, targeting 7% operational sales growth and adjusted EPS of $10.70–$10.75 (constant currency).
  • Johnson & Johnson advanced the planned separation of its Consumer Health business into “CanVue,” with a targeted mid- to late-2023 completion.
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Earnings Conference Call
Johnson & Johnson Q3 2022
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There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to Johnson and Johnson's Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode until the question and answer session of the conference. This call is being recorded. If anyone has any objections, you may disconnect at this time. If you experience technical difficulties during the conference, I will now turn the conference call over to Johnson and Johnson.

Operator

You may begin.

Speaker 1

Please note that today's meeting may include forward looking statements relating to, among other things, the company's future financial performance, Product development, market position and business strategy and the anticipated separation of the company's consumer health business. You're cautioned not to rely on these statements, which are based on current expectations of future events using the information available as of today's date and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected. In particular, there is significant uncertainty about the duration and contemplated impact of the COVID-nineteen pandemic. A further description of these risks, uncertainties and other factors can be found in our SEC filings, including our 2021 Form 10 ks, which is available at investor. Jnj.com and on the SEC's website.

Speaker 1

Additionally, several of the products and compounds discussed today

Speaker 2

Good morning. This is Jessica Moore, Vice President of Investor Relations for Johnson and Johnson. As a reminder, you can find additional material, including today's presentation and associated schedules on the Investor Relations section of the Johnson and Johnson website at investor. Jandj.com. In addition to today's presentation and associated schedules, We will be posting the transcript of today's call as well as an Excel version of key financial schedules.

Speaker 2

I will now review the Q3 sales and P and L results for the corporation and highlights related to the 3 segments. Joe will then provide additional business and financial commentary before sharing an overview of our cash position, our capital allocation priorities and updated guidance for 2022. The remaining time will be available for your questions. We anticipate the webcast will last approximately 60 minutes. Now let's move to the 3rd quarter results.

Speaker 2

Worldwide sales were $23,800,000,000 for the Q3 of 2022, an increase of 1.9% versus the Q3 of 2021. Operational sales growth, which excludes the effect of translational currency, Increased 8.1 percent as currency had a negative impact of 6.2 points. In the U. S, Sales increased to 4.1%. In regions outside the U.

Speaker 2

S, our reported sales declined 0.3%. Operational sales growth outside the U. S. Was 12.3% with currency negatively impacting our reported OUS results by 12.6 points. Excluding the net impact of acquisitions and divestitures, adjusted operational sales growth with 8.2% worldwide, 4.2% in the U.

Speaker 2

S. And 12.4% outside the U. S. Turning now to earnings. For the quarter, net earnings were $4,500,000,000 and diluted earnings per share was $1.68 versus diluted earnings per share of $1.37 1 year ago.

Speaker 2

Excluding after tax intangible asset amortization expense and special items for both periods, adjusted net earnings for the quarter Were $6,800,000,000 and adjusted diluted earnings per share was $2.55 representing decreases of 2.7% and 1.9%, respectively, compared to the Q3 of 2021. On an operational basis, adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 5.8%. I will now comment on business segment sales performance highlights. Unless otherwise stated, percentages quoted represent the operational sales change in comparison to the Q3 of 2021 and therefore exclude the impact of currency translation. Continuing with the Please refer to the slides for additional segment and franchise commentary.

Speaker 2

Beginning with Consumer Health. Worldwide Consumer Health sales of $3,800,000,000 decreased 0.4%, with an increase of 2.1% in the U. S. And a decline of 2.3% outside the U. S.

Speaker 2

Excluding translational currency, worldwide operational sales growth Increased 4.7 percent and outside the U. S. Operational sales growth increased 6.7%. Excluding the impact of acquisitions and divestitures, worldwide growth was 4.8%. Results Primarily driven by strategic price increases, growth in OTC due to a strong cold, cough and flu season And OUS growth in Neutrogena and Avino due to market growth and new product launches.

Speaker 2

This growth was partially offset by supply constraints in the U. S. And suspension of sales of personal care products in Russia. Moving on to our Pharmaceutical segment. Worldwide Pharmaceutical sales of $13,200,000,000 increased 2.6% with growth of 3% in the U.

Speaker 2

S. And 2% outside of the U. S. Excluding translational currency, worldwide operational sales growth increased 9% And outside the U. S, operational sales growth increased 16.7%.

Speaker 2

Excluding the impact of acquisitions and divestitures, Worldwide growth was 9.2%. Excluding COVID-nineteen vaccine sales, worldwide operational sales growth Increased 8.9 percent, U. S. Operational sales growth increased to 7% and outside the U. S.

Speaker 2

Operational sales growth increased 11.3%. Pharmaceutical growth was driven by strong commercial access and execution, Enabling us to continue to deliver above market adjusted operational sales growth, including 5 assets with double digit growth. Growth was driven by DARZALEX, Tremfya, STELARA and ARLEADA as well as our paliperidone long acting portfolio And was partially offset by biosimilar competition for REMICADE along with a decrease in IMBRUVICA sales. Within our oncology business, DARZALEX and ERLEADA continue to drive strong sales growth with increases of 38.7% 51.2%, respectively. IMBRUVICA sales declined 7.2% worldwide due to increased competitive pressures.

Speaker 2

In the U. S, the CLL market remains below pre COVID levels, while in the EU results were negatively impacted by government callbacks. Overall, IMBRUVICA maintains its market leadership position worldwide. In our immunology business, Tremfya grew 41.9%, driven by share gains in psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis, with gains of 3.2 points and 1.7 points in the U. S, respectively, along with market growth.

Speaker 2

STELARA growth of 8% was driven by strong market growth and share gains in Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis, with gains of 5.2 points and 6.9 points in the U. S, respectively. Results in the quarter were partially offset by a net unfavorable prior period adjustment of approximately 600 basis points on worldwide growth. We remain confident in our ability to deliver our 11th consecutive year of above market adjusted operational sales growth in 2022. I'll now turn your attention to the MedTech segment.

Speaker 2

Worldwide MedTech sales of $6,800,000,000 increased by 2.1% with growth of 7.7% in the U. S. And a decline of 2.9% outside of the U. S. Excluding translational currency, worldwide operational sales growth increased 8.1% and outside the U.

Speaker 2

S. Operational sales growth increased 8.5%. Excluding the impact of acquisitions and divestitures, worldwide growth was 8.1%. Drivers for growth across Medtech include procedure recovery as well as focused commercial strategies and differentiated new products such as Nseal X1 Devices and Energy, Zellus Digital Solutions across our orthopedic platforms and additional solutions enhancing our industry leading electrophysiology portfolio. Based on our most recent share data, We continue to enhance or sustain market share positions in the large majority of our 11 priority platforms.

Speaker 2

As a reminder, these 11 platforms each generate over $1,000,000,000 in annual sales. Partially offsetting growth in the quarter is the impact of volume based procurement in China and timing of international tenders, primarily in Orthopaedics and Supply Challenges, primarily in Surgical Vision. Aligned with our previously communicated expectations, Medtech operational sales grew sequentially versus the prior quarter. And for additional context, Selling days had an immaterial impact on results in the quarter. Now turning to our consolidated statement of earnings for the Q3 of 2022.

Speaker 2

I'd like to highlight a few noteworthy items that have changed compared to the same quarter of last year. Cost of products sold deleveraged by 170 basis points, primarily driven by unfavorable currency impact in the pharmaceutical business and commodity inflation, partially offset by supply chain efficiencies in the Medtech and the Consumer Health businesses. We continue to invest strategically in research and development at competitive levels, Investing 15.1 percent of sales this quarter. The $3,600,000,000 invested was a 5% increase versus the prior year, primarily due to portfolio progression in the Pharmaceutical business and increased investment across multiple franchises in the Medtech business. The other income and expense line was an expense of approximately $500,000,000 in the Q3 of 2022 compared to an expense of $1,900,000,000 in the Q3 of 2021.

Speaker 2

This was primarily driven by lower litigation expense, partially offset by losses on securities, consumer health separation related costs and COVID-nineteen vaccine related costs in the current quarter. Regarding taxes in the quarter, our effective tax rate was 23.4% versus 4.7% in the same period last year. This increase was primarily driven by 2022 tax costs incurred as part of the planned separation of the company's consumer health business Due to the reorganization of certain international subsidiaries, a one time special item in Q3 2021 that reduced taxable income in the quarter and unfavorable income mix. Excluding special items, the effective tax rate was 16% versus 13.5% in the same period last year. I encourage you to review our upcoming Q3 10 Q filing for additional details on specific tax matters.

Speaker 2

Lastly, I'll direct your attention to the Box section of the slide, where we have also provided our income before tax, net earnings and earnings per share adjusted to exclude the impact of intangible amortization Now let's look at adjusted income before tax by segment. In the Q3 of 2022, our adjusted income before tax for the enterprise as a percentage of sales decreased from 34.5% to 33.9%, primarily driven by unfavorable currency and commodity inflation impact on cost of products sold. Pharmaceutical margins declined from 43.8 percent to 41.9 percent, primarily driven by unfavorable currency and cost of Products sold. Medtech margins remained flat at 25.5%. Commodity inflation and increased investment in research and development were Finally, Consumer Health Margins improved From 24.2 percent to 24.3 percent despite inflationary pressures driven by price actions and investment prioritization.

Speaker 2

This concludes the sales and earnings portion of the Johnson and Johnson 3rd quarter results. I'm now pleased to turn the call over to Joe Wach. Joe?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jess. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today. As Jess just shared, we are pleased to report solid results Across our business segments in the Q3, we accelerated operational sales growth across all three segments and were able to meet earnings expectations despite significant inflationary impacts to input costs. This performance reflects the strength of our business and versatility of our operations despite persistent global macroeconomic challenges.

Speaker 3

Given Johnson and Johnson's 136 year history, We are no stranger to periods of unfavorable macroeconomic conditions, but we have a proven track record of navigating through periods of challenge and volatility. With a diversified portfolio and strong balance sheet, we've repeatedly demonstrated our ability to deliver results in the short term, while executing against our long term strategy, focused on improving health outcomes and access to care. Let me share a few enterprise highlights from the quarter. We continue to deploy effective strategies to provide the products, medicines and treatments that consumers and patients rely on in the face of supply chain pressures. Our teams have been working tirelessly To help mitigate the impact of these challenges by working with our partners to make sure we're meeting demand.

Speaker 3

We continue to invest for growth driven by innovation as demonstrated by the recent opening of our R and D campus in San Francisco, which will expand our R and D presence in the Bay Area. I had the pleasure of being at the opening for this campus. Seeing it in person only reinforces for me that the combination of science, technology and data analytics will be the future of medicine. We also made further progress in the separation of CanVue, the name of the planned new consumer health company. In addition to announcing the name, brand, visual identity and purpose, Larry Merlo was named as the Non Executive Chair Designate.

Speaker 3

Congratulations, Larry. Thibault, Ashley and Jennifer will provide updates on notable events for their segments later in the call. Turning now to cash and capital allocation. Year to date, we generated free cash flow in excess of $13,000,000,000 At the end of the Q3, we had approximately $34,000,000,000 of cash and marketable securities and approximately $32,000,000,000 of debt for a net cash position of approximately $2,000,000,000 Our capital allocation priorities remain unchanged And our strong balance sheet affords us the flexibility to pursue multiple capital allocation priorities concurrently. Investing in innovation and R and D is our top priority and through 3 quarters, we have increased our R and D investment by approximately 8% over the same period last year.

Speaker 3

In addition to investing in organic growth opportunities, our team continues to evaluate strategic acquisitions And other external collaborations that would enhance our current portfolio, build upon our capabilities and enable us to play in higher growth markets, while delivering strong financial returns. In mid September, our Board of Directors authorized a share repurchase of up to $5,000,000,000 of Johnson and Johnson common stock. This program underscores our confidence in the business and our pipeline, while also delivering returns for our shareholders. This program, combined with our dividends, has yielded nearly $11,000,000,000 being returned to shareholders already in 2022. Moving on to full year 2022 guidance.

Speaker 3

As evidenced by the Q3, operational sales growth across all three businesses, Healthcare as well as our business Continues to be rooted in strong fundamentals despite various macroeconomic pressures. We continue to see a Strengthening U. S. Dollar relative to other currencies and as seen on this slide, inflation in the U. S.

Speaker 3

Remains at levels not experienced in decades and not unique to the U. S. You saw some of this impact reflected in this quarter's gross margin eroding in comparison to Q3 2021 attributable to both currency and higher input cost. Despite these pressures, we are reaffirming our operational Sales and reported adjusted earnings per share midpoint and tightening the ranges. On sales, we are narrowing our base business Operational sales range to $97,500,000,000 to $98,000,000,000 or growth rate of 7% at the midpoint.

Speaker 3

While this full year operational sales guidance is an acceleration to our year to date growth, it does imply a slight deceleration when comparing to the 3rd Quarter growth driven by the loss of exclusivity of ZYTIGA in EMEA during the month of September. We don't speculate on currency impacts. However, using the euro spot rate relative to the U. S. Dollar as of last week at 0.97, There is an estimated negative impact of foreign currency translation of approximately 4.90 basis points, resulting in an estimated reported sales growth between 1.8% to 2.3% compared to 2021 We're $93,000,000,000 to $93,500,000,000 Regarding other lines on the P and L, While we were able to absorb some of the inflationary pressures this year, we are lowering our full year operating margin projection Due to the impacts of inflation across most spend categories, there were decline of approximately 50 basis points.

Speaker 3

Given year to date trends on favorable employee benefit related items, we are increasing our other income estimates to a range of $1,700,000,000 to $1,800,000,000 Regarding interest income and expense, again based on our year to date experience whereby we have Higher cash balance earning at rates higher than previously anticipated. We are increasing the range of our estimate to $175,000,000 to $200,000,000 of income. And finally, We are maintaining our effective tax rate estimate, which is reflective of current law to a range of 15.0% to 15.5%. Considering these revised estimates, we are increasing our adjusted earnings per share On a constant currency basis of $0.03 at the midpoint, the updated range is $10.70 to $10.75 or a midpoint of $10.73 reflecting a growth rate over 2021 of 9.5%. While not predicting currency movements, but to provide some insights on the potential impact on EPS, Our reported adjusted EPS is expected to be negatively impacted by approximately $0.68 per share.

Speaker 3

As a result and by tightening the range, our reported adjusted earnings per share is $10.02 to $10.07 which maintains the previous midpoint of $10.05 I appreciate that many of you are turning some of your attention to 2023. We are actively finalizing our plans for next year, but allow me to provide some preliminary qualitative perspectives to consider as you develop your models. We remain confident that we'll continue to grow our pharmaceutical business every year towards our goal of $60,000,000,000 in pharmaceutical sales By 2025, despite the Stelara LOE, which is anticipated to occur in the second half of twenty twenty three in the U. S. For Medtech, we expect our investments in innovation and commercial capabilities to continue to enhance our competitiveness.

Speaker 3

At this time, we anticipate positive procedure trends with the caveats that COVID-nineteen continues to be a dynamic situation regionally, Lingering headwinds from hospital staffing and some impact from volume based pricing in China. For Consumer Health, we are seeing the benefits of our strategic price increases and a reduction in supply chain disruptions, although some challenges are expected to continue into 2023. We expect inflationary pressures and higher input costs to persist, And we are continuing to take actions to offset these challenges. While some inflationary pressures are improving, keep in mind that certain products we manufacture in 2020 2 will be sold and flow through our P and L in 2023. As far as standing up Canvue as an independent company, We expect to announce further details on the type of separation as well as stand up cost estimates and how we are addressing stranded costs later this year or early in 2023.

Speaker 3

We remain on track to complete the separation in mid to late 2023 as indicated in the initial announcement we made in November of 2021. Finally, as previously mentioned, We don't speculate on currency movement, but utilizing the euro spot rate of last week, we estimate an unfavorable currency impact On 2023's adjusted earnings per share of approximately $0.40 to $0.45 or $0.10 more Then the $0.30 to $0.35 impact I referenced in July's call. 2022 has proven to be an active and unpredictable year, Yes, Johnson and Johnson continues to reliably meet the needs of patients while navigating the volatile global economic and operating environment. The executive committee could not be prouder of our team members across the globe for their commitment to excellence. We are continuously inspired by their dedication and unwavering focus on delivering growth for our stakeholders while staying true to our credo.

Speaker 3

I am now pleased to welcome our worldwide chairs starting with Thibault for Consumer Health soon to be officially KenView.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Joe, and good morning to all of you. We are indeed very proud of the achievements we have completed so In 2022, as we shared with you throughout the year, we told you that Consumer Health would deliver improved performance starting in the second half of the year, and that is exactly what you saw with our good performance in the Q3. Our strategy is working, our Pricing actions were realized, supply chain constraints eased and were also against easier prior year comparables. Our 3rd quarter results reflect those dynamics and really demonstrate our ability to achieve results despite The microeconomic environment that Joe referenced and that continues to be volatile and all of this thanks to the strength of our brands and the quality of our teams. So looking towards 2023 and in line with our results to date, we do anticipate that the strength and resilience of our well balanced Together with the consumer loyalty to our brands, we'll continue to position our business to perform competitively with the market.

Speaker 4

Now regarding our future, as you just heard from Joe, we are making great strides toward the planned separation of the Consumer Health business, including our recent announcement of our new name, Canvue. So as you can imagine, a lot of thought and care was taken to ensure that The name was memorable, distinctive, easy to pronounce in multiple languages. We then applied our expert brand building skills to create a brand identity that Reflects our new name, but also leaves space for iconic brands that tops the lives of more than 1,000,000,000 people around the world every day. Every element was chosen to truly represent us as a future stand alone company with the core attributes We also unveiled our purpose this quarter, which is realize the extraordinary power of everyday care. And in these seven words, we reflect our heritage of caring, but also play back what the world expect of us and the role we need to fulfill in society.

Speaker 4

We indeed believe that daily self care rituals add up over time and have a profound cumulative impact on well-being. And our work at Canvue will be to put that power into the hands of consumers around the world. So we're excited for the journey ahead now with Larry Merlo named as our designate nonexecutive Chair and our teams are all focused on continuing to deliver results while progressing towards realizing the full potential of Canvue. And now let me hand over to Ashley.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Tivo. Well, good morning. So last year was clearly a banner year of our new And we are continuing that momentum in 2022 with 4 new products launched, first in kind new products launched Just in Q3 alone and clearly these launches are really contributing to our enhanced competitiveness. So in quarter 3, we launched our next generation TECNIS Symphony OptiBLUE. It's our latest presbyopia correcting intraocular lens, Our Acuvue OASIS Max contact lens, the Heliosar balloon ablation catheter and the OctaRay mapping catheter.

Speaker 5

So to just have a quick refresh on ACUVUE OASIS ONE Day MAX, all of us know we live digitally intense lives and this lens was custom designed to really meet those digitally intensive lifestyles. It builds upon our industry leading portfolio. Oasis is ranked number 1. It's the largest brand in the category And it's unbeaten in comfort across 31 clinical trials. Moving over to our Biosense Webster business, we have a launch of our Heliostar balloon ablation catheter.

Speaker 5

This catheter is unique. It's a one shot balloon technology and it enables PV isolation in 12 With customized energy delivery and our 1 integrated 3 d mapping solution. So we are already seeing the impact. Heliostar has resulted in an 86% freedom from documented atrial arrhythmia at 12 months. So this is our entry into the single shot ablation.

Speaker 5

These are really just a couple of the ways that our team is delivering differentiated solutions really through A focus on breakthrough science and a consistent focus on doctors' critical needs. So I'm very encouraged by the strong innovation to date and even more excited about the potential of our pipeline to come. And when I start to think about 2023, we are very focused on our mission to make the future of healthcare smarter, Less invasive and more personalized. You've heard me consistently say this is how we can show up in healthcare. We will continue, particularly in today's Times of a little bit of uncertain times to prioritize programs that are strengthening our core, that are really Getting us on the forefront of shaping the new frontiers in medical intervention and a consistent drumbeat of always improving our competitiveness.

Speaker 5

We know that Healthcare has an unbelievable amount of humility, but also amazing purpose. And as Joe has mentioned, we are it's very Clearly, in a dynamic time, we're going to continue to manage through the macroeconomic factors like hospital staffing, like inflation, like supply constraints And some of the overhang of the pandemic. But we are encouraged with procedural volumes in many parts To the world, they're recovering quite nicely. Some parts of the world are still a little bit below pre COVID levels, but We are confident in the resiliency and agility of the medtech industry and our anticipated continued recovery across the world. So Thank you.

Speaker 5

And I'm pleased to turn it over to Jennifer.

Speaker 6

Thank you, Ashley, and hello, everyone. Good morning. I'd really like to start off by thanking my Our next question comes from the line of John Franzrebrenco. Thank you, John. Thank you, John.

Speaker 6

As Jess noted, we continue to maximize the value of our diverse leading portfolio, delivering above market growth with a number of key drivers, DARZALEX, TREMFYA, STELARA, ERLEADA, also OBTRAVI, XARELTO and our long acting paliperidone Portfolio. So really great performance, across the portfolio and throughout the globe. In addition to our strong performance, Business achieved some important milestones during the quarter, both in terms of approvals and new data readouts. So first, we're really pleased to announce our first approval globally for Teckvili. This is our 1st in class off the shelf by This is a specific antibody for patients with relapsed and refractory multiple myeloma, and this approval was from the European Commission.

Speaker 6

And we are on track to receive approval from the U. S. FDA before year end. TekValy is really important addition to our multiple myeloma portfolio, particularly for this difficult to treat patient population. Also in multiple myeloma, the final analysis from our Phase II GRIFFIN study Of a DARZALEX based investigational quadruplet regimen was presented, really highlighting the potential benefit of adding DARZALEX To this frontline treatment regimen in multiple myeloma in newly diagnosed transplant eligible patients.

Speaker 6

Separately, we received 2 approvals from IMBRUVICA. So European Commission approved an all oral fixed duration treatment combination with venetoclax In frontline CLL and the U. S. FDA granted approval for pediatric patients with chronic graft versus host disease, Marking the 1st pediatric approval for IMBRUVICA and making IMBRUVICA the only BTKI with 12 FDA approvals across 7 indications. If we turn to solid tumors, data from our early stage trials from our combination of amavantumab plus lisertinib We're presented at WCLC.

Speaker 6

Importantly, these data demonstrated a benefit in frontline treatment of EGFR mutant non small And we look forward to data from our Phase III myriposis study in the future. And last, in immunology, we presented new data Tremfya from the Phase IIIb GUIDE study, which demonstrated even higher rates of complete skin clearance In adult patients with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis who were started earlier in the course of their disease. So bodes well for earlier treatment for Etromphaya And continued growth. As I said, I'm real proud of our Pharmaceuticals team and what we accomplished in the Q3, and I look forward to finishing the year strong. As we look ahead, with our focus on transformational medical innovation, our pipeline of current medicines, our robust Pipeline of new medicines and world class capabilities, we remain really confident in our growth expectations.

Speaker 6

The ones We outlined in our Pharmaceutical business review last November, including the fact that we expect to be a $60,000,000,000 pharmaceutical company by 2025. So thank you very much. And Jess, I'll turn it back over to you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jennifer, Thibault and Ashley. This concludes the prepared remarks portion of our earnings call. Kevin, could you please provide instructions and open the line for Q and A?

Speaker 7

Certainly.

Operator

Our first question is coming from Chris Schott from JPMorgan. Your line is now live.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks so much. Just a couple just 2 parter for Joe. Can you just elaborate a little bit more on 2023 operating margin dynamics? It seems like you're seeing some modest operating margin erosion this year due to inflation.

Speaker 8

Should we be thinking about a similar step down in 2023? Or is there a better ability to manage some of these inflation pressures As I guess some of these start to ease as you go through the year. And maybe a second question just as we think about 2023, just tying some of the segment comments And as we think about top line, is there any reason to assume a meaningful deviation from the operational growth trends that you're seeing in 2022 As we look out to 2023, and I guess maybe specifically in that, is the Stelara LOE a large enough of a headwind next year that we need to start to think about That impacting growth or is that more like a 2024 and beyond issue? Thanks so much.

Speaker 3

Hey, good morning, Chris. Thanks for your questions. What I'll do is I'll give you some insights around 2023 op margin. And then maybe I think it might be productive to turn it over to each of the segment heads to talk about What their outlook is for 2023 in a qualitative way at this point. So for 2023 op margins, I think you have a couple of dynamics that we're facing.

Speaker 3

Clearly, The macroeconomic pressures that all industries and all companies are facing is something that we have to address as well. While healthcare is a very, very good business and More resilient than most, it's not as if we're immune to some of those dynamics. So as we finalize our plans for 2023, We will be looking at prioritizing our resource deployment to those initiatives, those projects, those services that deliver the most value for patients, which in turn is then healthy for our business. The other dynamic that's at play, Chris, and maybe why I'm a little bit hesitant Give you specific guidance at this point in time is the separation of the consumer health business. So we're going through some of our plans now.

Speaker 3

We have the opportunity, as we said on prior calls, to, right size our infrastructure for a 2 segment company versus a 3 segment company that we've had historically. And so we're looking at opportunities there as well. I think given The pressures from both of those fronts, we take it as our responsibility here at Johnson and Johnson's Management To ensure that we mitigate those, we prioritize every dollar that we have that goes to securing our long term future, specifically in innovation and R and D. And that's where we'll continue to focus. We know that that has a proven track record of success when we do that.

Speaker 3

Specifically when we focus on those precious few projects that matter the most and that's what we'll continue to do in 2023. So more to come on op margins, But we will we're not oblivious obviously to the world around us and we're going to manage those very, very effectively. Why don't I turn it over to Jennifer may be given outlook on pharmaceuticals and specifically address the impact for STELARA next year.

Speaker 6

Yes. Hi, Chris. Good morning. So for 2023, we anticipate another year of above market growth for the Pharmaceuticals group. These results we anticipate to be driven by Continued growth of our key brands like DARZALEX, TREMFYA, ERLEADA, INVEGA SUSTENNA and UPTRAVI, And this is really coming from a combination of increased penetration as well as continued market share gains.

Speaker 6

And then we also continue expect Continued uptake of our new launches, so products like CARVICTI, TECHVALLI that I just mentioned, products like SPRAVATO, Etcetera. And so while we do anticipate STELARA LOE, really in that late September time frame or towards the end of the year, we believe that We've got a lot of tailwinds with our existing portfolio and our new launches, to continue to have another year of above market growth in 2023.

Speaker 3

Ivo, you want to say a few words on consumers' outlook?

Speaker 4

Yes, absolutely. 2023, we Expect that the world will continue to be extremely volatile, inflationary pressure, supply chain disruption, geopolitical environment and continued impact from the COVID pandemic in certain parts of the world. So we with that in mind, we are certainly I'm prepared to navigate this environment, thanks to the quality of our brands, the strengthening of our execution capabilities around the world. And as you referenced to innovation, we continue to play a big part in our results. Moving forward, we see that the innovation we bring to market this year are extremely well received by consumers around the world, and we expect this to continue in 2023.

Speaker 5

I would just say consistent really building on the momentum in 2022. So for the first 3 quarters of the year, we're looking at near 7% growth. And so our eyes around keeping that momentum from a demand generation on revenue next And having a revenue number that beats the market. Clearly, in today's environment, the cost of doing business has gone up. And so we Are doing everything we can to manage and mitigate that to remain competitive from typically we have 1 or 2 points of price erosion.

Speaker 5

We've actually been commanding price Realization in today's environment through supply chain efficiencies, admin efficiencies and some price mix realization. We do see some of the downsides In China from VBP that we're weathering through those and earning some of those tenders going forward. But we'd like to very much Keep the investment going in R and D because as you can see the past couple of years, it's really benefited from accelerating our growth curve.

Speaker 3

So Chris, hopefully that answers your question. But I think what you should take away is clearly the breadth of our portfolio, the reach of our geographic Presence positions us very, very well. While STELARA is certainly a big product, I think it's Johnson and Johnson's largest product ever, We're not dependent on one product alone. And so the breadth of the portfolio that exists today as well as that which is on the come, I think bodes extremely well for Continued growth that investors have come to expect.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Larry Biegelsen from Wells Fargo. Your line is now live.

Speaker 7

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question and congratulations on a nice quarter here. I have one for Ashley, one for Joe. Just Ashley, I'd love to hear your thoughts just The macro trends impacting MedTech, a little bit more color on what you're seeing in China, some of the supply constraints and staffing shortages and How you see those playing out in Q4 and 2023? And Joe, you've been talking about taking bolder steps in M and A.

Speaker 7

Why haven't we seen more M and A from J and J so far in 2022 and has anything changed with regard to your priorities? Thank you.

Speaker 5

Sure. Thank you, Elyse. I have to first by giving a shout out to the MedTech team. It was a really strong quarter of 8% 7% year to date and just a really Maniacal focus is what I would say on competitiveness and customer centricity. When we and Joe alluded to this, Larry, if you look at I'll go around the world a little bit.

Speaker 5

We are seeing procedures recovering. I think we're benefiting that posting very strong September, but also at quarter end of 8%. In the United States, we started to see surgical procedures tick up predominantly at the latter part of the quarter. We do see diagnostic procedures more in the mid single digits, So colonoscopy is an example in quarter 3. So we're expecting that to continue.

Speaker 5

Now you'll recall that we're anniversarying Omicron heading kind of in the thanks time frame in December, so that should be a healthy comp, but we also expect in a very focused micro surges in the winter surge. Europe is recovering nicely. August was a little bit of a slowdown given the holiday season, but really September picked up. Asia is in fast recovery, I would say, in India and Japan. And China is still, quarter 3 recovered nicely versus quarter 2, but they're still below pre COVID levels.

Speaker 5

So we expect that bolus to continue. We are moving forward. We have a strong position in China. We have a very diversified position in China. We are moving through some of the VBP actions.

Speaker 5

That's what you saw in our joints business. We were actually up 10% And our knees and our hips in the United States, but we had negative growth in the quarter really due to the volume based procurement wins on pricing actions that We'll come through that for next year. So thank you for the question, Larry.

Speaker 3

Yes. Larry, regarding M and A, first of all, let me start with just the reiterating the strong free cash flow That we have year to date over $13,000,000,000 Also very proud of the fact that we've been able to distribute nearly $11,000,000,000 to shareholders through the form of our dividend program as well as the repurchase program that was announced just mid last month. So we feel really good on that front. But as you likely noticed in today's comments, we still hold $34,000,000,000 of cash, which Positions us extremely well to continue exercising that lever of capital allocation around acquisitions or significant collaborations going forward. So our priorities have not changed.

Speaker 3

In fact, maybe we're even a little bit More bullish and eager to do something. But as folks come to know us, we're not going to do anything haphazardly. We're not The aspect of this company that is really enjoyable as being the CFO is we don't have to do anything out of desperation. We're going to find those assets that have a great strategic fit And then makes sense from a financial perspective with respect to returning to shareholders, something that compensates And for the risk that we're bearing on their behalf, the market is a little bit funny. The volatility actually doesn't help for a conducive M and A environment right now because You have sellers, potential sellers holding on to 52 week highs or all time highs, which Quite frankly, aren't too distant in the rearview mirror.

Speaker 3

We're going to approach it with a very fundamental discounted cash flow analysis, make sure we're bringing value forward. But the short answer to your question is our priorities have not changed. We're looking to complement the already strong portfolio you heard in the first round of responses.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Louise Chen from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now live.

Speaker 2

Hi, thanks for taking my Jen, congratulations on the quarter. So I wanted to ask you if you have any updated thoughts on getting to that $60,000,000,000 of pharma sales by 2025. And is this all organic growth? And if it's not, where could sales go with M and A? In what areas are you seeing the best opportunities in M and A?

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 6

Hi Louise, thanks so much for the question. So the projections that we gave you about the $1,000,000,000 in revenue by 2025,000,000 really is all based on our current portfolio and our current pipeline. So that doesn't have anything factored in right now in terms of M and A. Anything that we did there, we would look at to be Additive. When we take a look at how we're going to get there, we really believe we're going to have a compound annual growth rate of at least 5% With growth in every year and that includes through the Stelara LOE, we think we've got 8 key brands That will be able to post double digit growth through 2025.

Speaker 6

And as we take a look through our pipeline and portfolio, Between now and then, 14 novel therapies filed with potential to exceed $1,000,000,000 and we've got 5 of which we think actually have potential to exceed $5,000,000,000 So that's products like Milvexion, which is in our partnership with Bristol Myers Squibb And bevantamab and lazertinib combination, which I mentioned for non small cell lung cancer that we've got good data coming through. Nipacalumab, which is progressing really nicely through the various stages of clinical development, that's the Auto antibody, asset that we brought in from the Momenta acquisition. We have our Teris platform that is progressing nicely for bladder cancer. And we have CARVICTI. While we're still in the early stages of launching and ramping that asset based on the strength of the data and the clinical Trials, we remain really bullish on what CARVICTI is going to mean for patients with multiple myeloma around the world.

Speaker 6

And so I think based on our existing assets and the continued growth, I mean, you take a look at DARZALEX And the results that we just posted for the quarter, 39% growth consistent with what we've been seeing as well as growth in assets like Tremfya, Erlita, etcetera, you take a look at the strength of the existing portfolio, you layer in on top of that on what's coming through with the pipeline. And that's what gives us the confidence to hit that $60,000,000,000 organically. That being said, in line with Joe, we're constantly looking for ways that we can continue to augment and further build our pipeline And to do so out of a position of strength. And so predominantly, we keep our innovation engine going, bringing in things in the earlier stages, Which is usually our sweet spot because we can put our R and D machinery against it, our as well as our Terrific regulatory and commercial and market access capabilities to really build things out, but that doesn't rule out later stage acquisitions or end market

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Joshua Jennings from Cowen. Your line is now live.

Speaker 9

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to just ask Ashley and maybe Joe as well just to comment on your thoughts On the resiliency of the medical device industry during a recession and particularly Johnson and Johnson's medical device business And maybe parse out which device franchises could be more resilient, which could be less? And then a quick follow-up, just partly related with Cardiology procedures thought to be more resilient during the recession being most of them being life saving. Any updated thoughts just on Strategic rationale to build out your cardiology franchise and add to the Biosense Webster division.

Speaker 9

Thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker 5

Yes. Thank you, Josh. I mean, I think let me start with the macro. I think the health of the end state markets in medtech are quite vibrant. As we've talked, there's been bumpiness because of COVID that we're still having some of that.

Speaker 5

But there is patient demand that is still yet And that's really what we're experiencing in quarter 3 and we still think that will continue into 2023. And Seeing procedures that are more insulated like the cath lab is more protected in the hospital environment. Volumes have Been going quite nicely. I have to give a huge shout out to the BWI team in the U. S.

Speaker 5

Grew near 24% growth In quarter 3, so and we're continuing to invest to your point in cardiology. We have a very active program in Pulse field ablation and we have a clinical trial in Europe that just completed in quarter 2. We're looking at a 12 month readout of that on safety and efficacy and File this year and we're also in clinical trial in the United States for our pulse field ablation. We enrolled in May 2022 and we actually think the combos are going to be quite Complimentary radiofrequency coupled with pulse field ablation. But, so that's a bit about the cath lab.

Speaker 5

We're seeing bariatric procedures, which are more elective The nature really clearing through the backlog. The ones that tend to be laggards are things like spine. And we're seeing cataract surgery at a certain point becomes less selective. And the pacesetters, if you will, are areas like stroke, Like trauma that are much more or less elective in nature. And then I would just say from a Creating patient demand, there has been a huge initiative on behalf of Johnson and Johnson and the industry to kind of move to Site to care that patients are really preferring and those areas like ambulatory surgery centers in the United States, Our team predominantly in joints as well as sports, they've grown market share 20% over the past 2 years in those emerging channels In areas like Tier 2 and Tier 3 cities, in China with a population of 1,400,000,000 patients, continue to grow and expand.

Speaker 5

So We're going to see some of those shifts that happened during the pandemic really start to, I think, pick up where patients can get a sense of comfort And hopefully, we can kind of diffuse some of that the scarcity of label into the right sites of

Speaker 3

care. Thank

Operator

you. Our next question is coming from Joanne Wuensch from Citi. Your line is now live.

Speaker 10

Good morning and thank you for taking the question. Nice quarter. Quickly to follow-up on your comments on electrophysiology. Those numbers were Could we pull that growth apart and discuss maybe how much of it is market growth, market share, Stocking maybe or possibly price. And then my big picture question has to do with Ashley's comments of dealing with, I'm going to get the right words here.

Speaker 10

Usually, you have 1 to 2 points of mix erosion and you're now commanding price. I want to make sure I Heard that right and then understand it a bit better. Thank you.

Speaker 5

Yes. No, thank you, Joanne. We always talk BWI because it is a market leader and yet the category still has very low penetration, less than 12% Eligible patients are actually getting cardiac ablation. And we love this example because we think when we think of healthcare, we love to kind of intercept disease before it sets in. And If you can go manage cardiac arrhythmias through cardiac completion, you can really prevent a stroke.

Speaker 5

So just a huge acknowledgment of how close that team is to customers Really around the world, how the innovation cadence, they really have many first in kind. And if it's not first in kind, their 2nd generation will become the standard of care is what they've shown, and just a true sense of competitiveness. So in quarter 3, BWI was up about 19%, Joanne, and as I mentioned, about 24% in the U. S, but 13% OUS and very healthy growth in Europe and very healthy growth in Asia. That is a Category that like joints is going to go through a bit of a VPP impact in some quarters to come, but we have very differentiated innovation, And we're building kind of local on the ground capability to endure through those.

Speaker 5

And when I think about the state of innovation, It's just making sure that we can, from an industry penetration, take that from 12% penetration and double that. And that really is the single-minded focus of All of the innovation is to locate better lesions, deliver better lesion, make it a safer, less fluoro in the procedure, make it safer for electrophysiologists and quite frankly There's a shortage of electrophysiologists, so we invest a lot of money on market creation. Thank you, Joanne.

Operator

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Geoff Meacham from Bank of America. Your line is now live.

Speaker 11

Hey, guys. Thanks so much for the question. Just had a few pharma ones. On the I and I market, I know you guys obviously have the STELARA LOE next year. But would

Speaker 8

you expect there to be

Speaker 11

a lot of market disruption from the flood of HUMIRA biosimilars launching before? I'm just trying to think of the indirect impact on your business. And then the second question is on your cell therapy portfolio. You guys called out CARVICTI. Any qualitative comments you have on the commercial rollout 1 more quarter in?

Speaker 11

And Is there an update on the CARTO2-four timing that you could provide for us? Thank you.

Speaker 6

Got it. Thanks so much for the So if we start off with immunology, yes, I mean, the market will be experiencing a significant event, at least in the U. S. With Some competitive biosimilars coming in against other assets. We do anticipate that, that will Cause a bit of disruption.

Speaker 6

But when we take a look at our business and TREMFYA, so focusing on TREMFYA for Psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis, I think based on what this is as really the first IL-twenty three is delivering and delivering for patients, We can anticipate that there will still be strong continued growth for that asset. We're very, very confident in our excess Positions there and being able to retain that even in the face of biosimilars to other products that are launching. I'll also put in a plug, while we're at it when talking about Tremfya that we also feel really good about how our Product Tremfya is working through the Phase III clinical trials for Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis and look forward to Hopefully, getting that data in through the regulatory process and launching to bring even more benefit to patients with that. So we do Anticipate continued growth there. And then on CARVICTI, we're really pleased with how the product is performing for patients And the data that we're continuing to see, maybe if I start off on CARTTITUDE-four and then I'll come back on the launch.

Speaker 6

We do anticipate the CARTITUDE 4, hopefully reporting by year end. It's an event driven trial. So we have to wait until we have all of the events, but that's currently what we're planning for now so that everyone knows. CARTITUDE-four is our study that takes a look at CARVICTI in 1 to 3 prior lines of therapy. We're really interested to and looking forward to seeing those results.

Speaker 6

So if we take a look at the early launch for CARVICTI, we've always talked about this being a really planned and thoughtful approach to scaling it. And so we're in the process right now. We've really been working closely with the centers where we had done the clinical trials To work through the initial phases, I know everyone knows about the worldwide lentivirus shortage. We've made really good progress on And have good line of sight to that not being something that we're dependent on, not being a rate limiting factor in the future. We're So working towards really being able to scale this at a broad level to be able to accommodate what we're seeing is both great demand for the Right now, but also what we anticipate with CARTITUDE IV as well as hopefully with CARTITUDE V, which would be in frontline therapies.

Speaker 6

So We reconfirmed this as really a big asset with a lot of growth potential and one of our potentially $5,000,000,000 plus brands.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jeff. Kevin, we have time for one last question.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question today is coming from Terence Flynn from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now live.

Speaker 11

Hi, thanks so much. Maybe a couple of former ones for me as well. I was just wondering as you think about the combined franchise for STELARA and TREMFYA Next year, can that grow versus this year? And then based on clinicaltrials dotgov, it looks like the nipacalumab Phase 2 RA trial recently completed. So just wondering if you can provide any color if you're going to advance that into a Phase 3 trial for RA?

Speaker 11

Thank you.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Teri. So first question, so STELARA and TREMFYA, we're not we don't provide sort of Guidance by product or combinations of that, what I can say is that we do anticipate continued Robust growth for Tremfya next year. As I indicated, Tremfya in psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis It's really showing very strong market share gains and penetration in that market. STELARA really competes and its Strong growth has been in Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis. And so when you take a look at those two markets, we do anticipate both of those Continuing to show really good growth, at least through the 1st three quarters of next year with STELARA then Post September being impacted by biosimilars.

Speaker 6

And then on ipacalumab, So I don't have really anything to share there yet. For nipikalumab, consistent with all of our Processes, when we finish our studies, we go ahead and submit them to major medical meetings and Get them published. I remain really confident in nipocalumab as an asset, and we've really taken a look at building that out Across, boy, 10 or 11 different indications, including the potential for RA, which we think could be a big one. So definitely more to come on that as we can share it.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Terrence, and thanks to everyone for your questions and your continued interest in our company. We apologize to those that we couldn't get to because of time, but don't hesitate to reach out to the Investor Relations team with any remaining questions you may have. I would now like to hand it over to Joe for some closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks, Jess. Thank you, Thibault, Ashley, Jennifer and Jess for participating in today's call. And as Jess said, thanks to all of you for your time today. Hopefully, you saw with our Q3 performance the strength of Johnson and Johnson Across all of our segments and our collective ability to manage macroeconomic headwinds as well as the unfavorable impact from a stronger U.

Speaker 3

S. Dollar, We certainly take seriously our responsibility to be a reliable, strong investment in many ways for shareholders even though uncertainty may be high. Have a great day and we look forward to our next conversation.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's Johnson and Johnson's 3rd

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