Juniper Networks Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Juniper delivered a record Q3 with $1.415 billion in revenue (19% YoY growth) and non-GAAP EPS of $0.58, both above the high end of guidance.
  • Strong demand across all verticals and solutions, combined with actions to secure supply, drove high-single-digit adjusted product order growth and an elevated backlog of $2.3 billion as lead times begin to improve.
  • The AI-driven Enterprise segment grew 16% YoY, led by Mist AI revenue and orders both up over 50%, reaching an $850 million annualized run rate for Wi-Fi and EX switching.
  • Juniper secured nearly 400 wide-area and 100 data-center 400 gigabit upgrade wins, highlighting early-stage tailwinds in WAN and cloud data-center transformations.
  • Total software and services revenue rose 21% YoY to $248 million, with recurring ARR up 38% and deferred software revenue climbing 50% YoY amid a deliberate shift to a subscription model.
  • Juniper raised its outlook to 12–13% revenue growth for 2022 and at least 7% in 2023, while targeting non-GAAP operating margin expansion of ≥100 bps next year.
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Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Juniper Networks Third Quarter 2022 Financial Results conference call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode, and we will open the floor for your questions and comments after the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Jess Lubert. Sir, the floor is yours.

Jess Lubert
Jess Lubert
Head Of Investor Relations at Juniper Networks

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to our third quarter 2022 conference call. Joining me today are Rami Rahim, Chief Executive Officer, and Ken Miller, Chief Financial Officer. Today's call contains certain forward-looking statements based on our current expectations. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, and actual results might differ materially. These risks are discussed in our most recent 10-Q, the press release, and CFO commentary furnished with our 8-K file today and in our other SEC filings. Our forward-looking statements speak only as of today, and Juniper undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Our discussion today will include non-GAAP financial results. Reconciliation information can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website under financial reports. Commentary on why we consider non-GAAP information a useful view of the company's financial results is included in today's press release.

Jess Lubert
Jess Lubert
Head Of Investor Relations at Juniper Networks

Following our prepared remarks, we will take questions. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question so that as many people as possible who would like to ask a question have a chance. With that, I will now hand the call over to Rami.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call to discuss our Q3 2022 results. We delivered better than expected results during the September quarter as total revenue of $1.45 billion not only exceeded the high end of our guidance, but also set an all-time quarterly revenue record for Juniper. Total product sales grew 25% year-over-year, and we saw double-digit year-over-year revenue growth across all customer verticals and all customer solutions. Our growth and operating margin also exceeded expectations, resulting in non-GAAP earnings per share of $0.58, which was above the high end of our quarterly guidance.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Our Q3 results reflect the strong demand we've experienced across customer verticals and solutions since the beginning of last year, as well as the actions we have taken to procure incremental supply and overcome the many supply chain challenges that continue to exist in the market. Our teams have executed extremely well over the course of the past year, and these results are only possible due to the exceptional efforts from our go-to-market, product management, engineering, services, and supply chain organizations, along with many others. This alignment across the company has not only helped us achieve strong Q3 results, but also should position us to deliver continued strength in Q4 and sustained growth in 2023 and beyond.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Overall demand remains healthy in the September quarter, with product orders seeing high single digit year-over-year growth when adjusted to account for customers placing orders early due to the extension of lead times related to supply chain challenges. While gross orders experienced a mid-teen year-over-year decline, this was primarily due to a difficult comparison in the same quarter of last year when there was a large amount of this early ordering, particularly amongst our cloud and service provider customers, where order patterns are now beginning to normalize as supply improves. We're paying very close attention to customers' willingness to both invest in new network projects and consume prior orders as supply becomes available, given the various economic uncertainties happening around the world.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

While we have seen some customers more closely scrutinizing budgets as well as the timeline for certain projects, by and large, we remain encouraged by the overall momentum we're seeing, which remains well above pre-pandemic levels and the expectations we had entering the year. We believe this momentum reflects the network's growing strategic importance to our customers' digital transformation and cloudification initiatives, as well as certain cyclical tailwinds surrounding early stage opportunities, such as 400G upgrades, where we saw accelerated momentum this past quarter with nearly 100 new wins spread across WAN and data center environments. Bolstering our momentum is the most differentiated solution portfolio Juniper has ever had. Our focus on delivering solutions that dramatically simplify customer operations and enhance end user experience, what we call experience-first networking, continues to resonate across each of the markets we serve.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

This is particularly true in the enterprise, where we not only achieved record revenue results in Q3 and a third consecutive quarter of double-digit year-over-year revenue growth, but we also saw continued demand strength with orders growing mid-teens% year over year. We believe our portfolio of campus, data center, and wide area solutions is truly differentiated, which along with the investments we've made in our go-to-market organization, is enabling us to capitalize on our customers' digital transformation and network modernization initiatives, and in many cases, shift share from the competition. We remain focused on scaling our enterprise business, and I'm confident that our new Chief Revenue Officer, Chris Kaddaras, will bring valuable insights and experience that will further accelerate our enterprise success. Our cloud business also delivered solid Q3 results with revenue growing 24% year over year.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Many of our cloud customers are early in their deployment of large-scale 400G upgrades and data center builds that are likely to present multi-year revenue tailwinds as supply improves. These customers are consuming prior purchases and forward revenue visibility remains high. The large deals we announced previously are performing, and we're competing well for several additional large opportunities that could result in additional growth in future periods. I continue to be encouraged by the increased diversity of our cloud business as we saw strong growth from four of our top five cloud accounts and continued momentum amongst cloud majors during this past quarter. I view this increased diversity and reduced reliance on any one customer as an important positive development that is providing increased confidence in this vertical's long-term growth prospects and our ability to navigate any potential lumpiness in customer spending.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Our service provider business also delivered strong results in Q3 with revenue rising 17% year-over-year. We remain confident regarding our ability to grow our service provider business as our customers consume prior purchases and we make traction with the metro routing market, where our new Cloud Metro solutions bring superior scale, power efficiency, and automation capabilities to this sizable and growing portion of the market. I'd like to emphasize that we continue to feel good about our ability to capitalize on big opportunities tied to enterprise digital transformation and cloudification initiatives, 400G upgrades at cloud and service provider customers, and the broader adoption of cloud-based services and network architectures. Based on my recent conversations with customers, these opportunities represent key strategic initiatives that we believe will present durable tailwinds for our business over the next several years, even in the event macro conditions soften.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

We also believe our focus on leveraging artificial intelligence and software automation tools to improve network operations and reduce costs is truly differentiated and creating opportunities to shift share. In summary, overall demand remains healthy, and given the backlog we've built, along with the actions we've taken to secure more supply, we're now incrementally more confident regarding our top-line outlook and our ability to ship products to customers. As a result, we now expect to deliver approximately 12%-13% year-over-year revenue growth in 2022 and at least 7% year-over-year revenue growth in 2023. We remain focused on delivering improved profitability and expect non-GAAP operating margin to expand by at least 100 basis points in 2023. Now I'd like to provide some additional insights into the quarter and address some of the key developments we're seeing from a customer solutions perspective.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Starting with automated WAN, we delivered strong results in the Q3 timeframe. Revenue saw double-digit year-over-year growth across all customer verticals, with particular strength in our MX product family, where our newer Trio 6 based products, such as the MX10K, the LC9600 line card, and the MX304, continued to perform exceptionally well. We are continuing to see strong demand for our 400G products with our cloud and service provider customers and now have nearly 400 wins for wide-area use cases across our MX, PTX, and ACX products. We also saw another quarter of strong order growth for our ACX Cloud Metro portfolio and our Paragon Automation suite. We plan to introduce new hardware and software automation capabilities in future quarters that will further enhance our competitive positioning in this attractive portion of the service provider market.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Our Cloud-Ready Data Center revenue also saw strong year-over-year growth in Q3 due to the momentum with cloud major accounts. Orders with these accounts also remain strong and saw solid double-digit growth year-over-year as we continued to successfully develop new franchises and generate strong momentum with deals greater than $1 million. Our 400G data center solutions are resonating in the market, and our solutions have now secured approximately 100 data center switching opportunities that span across cloud majors, enterprise, and service provider accounts. Our Apstra pipeline continues to build with qualified leads approximately doubling on a sequential basis. New logos saw healthy momentum, and we're seeing strong hardware pull-through for every dollar of software, which is a positive indicator for future growth.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

With the recent launch of Apstra Freeform, which provides more flexible deployment options and expands the list of potential customers we can address, we remain optimistic regarding the outlook for Apstra and our data center opportunity. Customer interest in our Cloud-Ready Data Center portfolio remains high and given the wins we've already secured, I'm optimistic about our ability to capitalize on the attractive growth within this market over the next several years. Our AI-Driven Enterprise business continued to materially outpace the market with revenue growing 16% year-over-year and orders rising more than 25% year-over-year. This strength was led by our mistified business, which is the segment of our campus and branch portfolio driven by Mist AI and the cloud. This area saw both revenue and orders grow more than 50% year-over-year, with record sales of Mist Wi-Fi and EX switching.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

On an annualized basis, our mistified order run rate surpassed $850 million in the Q3 time frame, which is up meaningfully from the run rate we last disclosed during Q4 of 2021. We remain encouraged by the traction we're seeing with large customers, especially those choosing Juniper for full stack wins, which we define as a combination of wired access, wireless access, SD-WAN, and/or edge security products managed via Mist AI. Notable wins for the AI-Driven Enterprise this quarter include the largest healthcare provider in the U.S., a large U.S. service provider, a top global logistics provider, a global 10 international energy provider, and several top universities around the world. We also saw a large renewal with a Fortune 10 retail account.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Juniper continues to remain highly differentiated in the industry with our full breadth of wired, wireless, SD-WAN, and indoor location products, all managed via a common microservices cloud and sixth-generation AI-driven operations. This provides industry-leading insight and automation, resulting in amazing user experiences from client to cloud. Juniper continues to innovate aggressively in these areas, as evidenced by several exciting product announcements this quarter, including a new AI-Driven access switch, the EX4100, enhancements to Marvis AIOps that deliver even more insights into client experiences, and groundbreaking new features that combine AIOps with indoor location services to save time and money when deploying new wireless networks. In addition, we announced new features and payment options that facilitate the consumption and operations of Juniper AI-Driven Network as a service, bringing even more flexibility, agility, and insight to Juniper customers and partners.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Our prospects for the AI-Driven Enterprise have never been stronger. We're taking market share in key areas such as wireless, where the 650 Group recognized Juniper as the fastest-growing enterprise and outdoor wireless vendor in their most recent market research report. We continue to be distinguished by respected third parties like Gartner, who have us in the leader position in two most recent Magic Quadrants for wired, wireless LAN access infrastructure and indoor location services. As a result, the AI-Driven Enterprise remains a cornerstone of our enterprise go-to-market efforts and promises to be a key catalyst for the growth Juniper expects in the enterprise in coming years. Our security revenue declined in Q3 due to the deliberate shift from upfront appliance sales to a ratable software subscription model, which is likely to present headwinds to revenue over the next few quarters.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

While we also saw some lumpiness in our high-end security business, we continue to see strength in our mid-range firewall portfolio, as well as our software-only security and cloud offerings. Customers appreciate the value of Juniper's Security Director Cloud platform to provide a single policy framework to manage all their firewalls, whether in the data center or at the edge, or whether on premises or in the cloud, which is essential to help customers migrate to Zero Trust and SASE architectures. This platform launched in Q1 and already has more than 200 customers. We remain confident in our connected security strategy and expect this business to return to growth during the second half of 2023 as we build up more ratable software revenue.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

We experienced strong software momentum in the Q3 time frame, which saw total software and related services revenue grow by 21% year-over-year to account for 18% of our total revenue. Our annualized recurring revenue, which solely consists of truly ratable software subscriptions and related services, increased 38% year-over-year due to the strong demand for Mist and security subscriptions. We believe the outlook for our software business remains strong, and we are encouraged by the momentum we are seeing with our Junos-based Flex software, off-box subscription software, and software-as-a-service offerings such as Mist. Much of this momentum can be seen in our deferred revenue from customer solutions, which grew 11% sequentially and 50% year-over-year. The truly ratable component of this deferred revenue, which accounts for more than half of the total, grew even faster, doubling on a year-over-year basis.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

I'd like to mention that our services team delivered yet another record quarter due to strong renewals and attach rates. In addition to strong revenue, we also achieved another quarter of solid services margin. Our services organization continued to execute extremely well and is focused on driving customer success through automation and cloud-delivered insights, creating new revenue opportunities and also benefiting margin. I would like to extend my thanks to our customers, partners, and shareholders for their continued support and confidence in Juniper. I especially want to thank our employees for their hard work and dedication, which is essential to creating value for our stakeholders. I will now turn the call over to Ken, who will discuss our quarterly financial results.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Thank you, Rami, and good afternoon, everyone. I will start by discussing our third quarter results and end with some color on our outlook. We delivered record revenue during the third quarter of 2022 at $1.415 billion in revenue, which was above our guidance range and 19% growth year-over-year. non-GAAP earnings per share was $0.58, also above our guidance range due to the higher than expected revenue and gross margin. Product orders were in line with our expectations in the third quarter. As a reminder, we have experienced order strength from customers placing orders in an accelerated pace to account for extended lead times related to industry supply chain challenges over the course of the past year. The impact of accelerated ordering decreased in the third quarter of 2022.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

We expect this impact to continue to dissipate over time. While total product orders declined in the mid-teens year over year due to difficult comparisons, Adjusted orders grew high single digits year over year. Strong demand in the enterprise vertical continued, with total orders growing mid-teens on a year-over-year basis. Our backlog remains elevated but declined sequentially due to improvements in supply. We would expect backlog to further decline as supply improves. We are very pleased with the balance of revenue growth in the third quarter across customer solutions and verticals. We saw double-digit revenue growth in all customer solutions on a year-over-year and sequential basis. Automated WAN solutions increased 39%, Cloud-Ready Data Center increased 18%, and AI-Driven Enterprise increased 16% on a year-over-year basis.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

On a sequential basis, Automated WAN solutions increased 15%, Cloud-Ready Data Center grew 14%, and AI-Driven Enterprise revenue was up 17%. Looking at our revenue by vertical, all verticals grew double digits on a year-over-year and sequential basis. Enterprise and service provider revenue grew 17% versus last year, and our cloud business increased 24% year over year. This was a record revenue result for our enterprise vertical. On a sequential basis, enterprise grew 10%, service provider increased 11%, and cloud increased 13%. Total software and related services revenue was $248 million, which was an increase of 21% year-over-year. Annual recurring revenue, or ARR, was $261 million and grew approximately 38% year-over-year. Total security revenue was $140 million, down 13% year-over-year.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

In reviewing our top 10 customers for the quarter, five were cloud, three were service provider, and for the first time, two were enterprise customers. 34% of our total revenue came from our top 10 customers in the third quarter of 2022 as compared to 31% in the third quarter last year. Non-GAAP gross margin was 57.2%, which was above the midpoint of guidance, primarily due to favorable product mix and higher revenue volume. The supply chain continues to be constrained with long lead times and elevated costs. However, we have seen some improvement in the volume of supply. If not for those elevated supply chain costs, we estimate that we would have posted Non-GAAP gross margin of approximately 60%.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Operating expense increased 10% year-over-year and 5% sequentially on a non-GAAP basis, primarily due to headcount-related costs and higher than expected variable compensation. Non-GAAP operating margin was 17.2% for the quarter, which was above our expectations due to the higher revenue and gross margin. Cash flow from operations was $52 million. We paid $68 million in dividends, reflecting a quarterly dividend of $0.21 per share. Total cash equivalents, and investments at the end of the third quarter of 2022 was $1.3 billion. Now I would like to provide some color on our guidance, which you can find detailed in the CFO commentary available on our Investor Relations website. We continue to work to resolve supply chain challenges and have increased inventory levels.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

We are working closely with our suppliers to further enhance our resiliency and mitigate the effects of disruptions outside of our control. We believe that even with these actions, extended lead times and elevated costs will persist into 2023. While the situation is dynamic, at this point in time, we believe we will have access to sufficient supplies of semiconductors and other components to meet our financial forecast. For the fourth quarter of 2022, we expect to see revenue of $1.475 billion at the midpoint of our guidance, which is growth of approximately 14% year-over-year, driven by the strength of our demand forecast, our backlog, and an improved supply outlook.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Non-GAAP gross margin is expected to be approximately 57%. Our non-GAAP earnings per share is expected to be $0.64 ± $0.05, assuming a share count of approximately 330 million shares. While the current global macroeconomic environment poses some uncertainty, we would like to provide some additional color regarding our current outlook for 2023. With the order momentum we are seeing, as well as our backlog visibility and current expectations for supply, we expect revenue growth of at least 7% on a full year basis. We see an opportunity for non-GAAP gross margin to stabilize or slightly expand in 2023 on a full year basis.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

However, this will depend on revenue mix as well as the future trajectory of supply constraint-related costs, which we expect to modestly improve over time, but to remain elevated relative to historical levels. With this in mind, we expect non-GAAP operating margin to expand by at least 100 basis points on a full year basis. Non-GAAP earnings per share are expected to grow double digits in 2023. At this point in time, we expect to see revenue seasonality in 2023. However, the degree of seasonality will be directly impacted by availability of supply and may vary relative to historical trends. As a reminder, our gross margin tends to be seasonally lower in the first quarter, with gradual volume-related improvements throughout the course of the year. Any improvements in supply constraint-related costs is expected to be weighted toward the second half of the year.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Our long-term financial objectives have not changed. We plan to deliver sustained revenue growth, improved operating margin, and earnings expansion over time. In closing, I would like to thank our team for their continued dedication and commitment to Juniper's success. Now I'd like to open the call for questions.

Operator

Certainly. Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. If you have any questions or comments, please press star one on your phone at this time. We do ask that while posing your question, please pick up your handset if you're listening on speaker phone to provide optimum sound quality. Once again, if you have any questions or comments, please press star one on your phone. Please hold while we poll for questions. Your first question is coming from Aaron Rakers from Wells Fargo. Your line is live.

Aaron Rakers
Aaron Rakers
Managing Director and Technology Analyst at Wells Fargo

Yeah, thanks, guys. Congratulations on the great quarter. Good execution. I guess what I wanted to ask you, Ken, was, you know, I think last quarter, and correct me if I'm wrong, you had alluded to an expectation that backlog would, right, kind of remain, you know, flat through the back half of the calendar year. It sounds like that maybe supply is loosening up a little bit quicker than you previously expected. Maybe you can just dive into the supply chain and how much of that backlog, if you will, kind of unlock or recognition, you know, is kinda helping, you know, drive your updated expectations, not just for this year fiscal 2022, but also through 2023. How do you expect backlog to kind of trend here as we move forward?

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

That's a good question, Aaron. Thanks for the question. So yeah, backlog did decline, you know, approximately $100 million in this quarter down to, you know, $2.3 billion. Still an extremely high number, you know, relative to our past, and we're still enjoying a lot of visibility due to the great demand and the backlog we built over the past several quarters. It did decline a bit, and that was really a factor predominantly of more supply, quite honestly, and you saw that in the revenue results as well. You know, we also raised Q4 revenue guidance a bit and raised next year. We are seeing volume of supply start to improve. That should result in backlog declining over time. I mean, backlog at $2.3 billion or, you know, at these levels is not sustainable, quite honestly.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

I do expect backlog to normalize over, you know, hopefully a long period of time. At this point, I would expect backlog likely to decline a bit in Q4 as we continue to enjoy a little bit more supply and satisfy customer demands a little better than we were in the past. I'm not surprised by the backlog performance. I still expect it to be up, as compared to the beginning of the year, and it's still extremely elevated, but I do think we'll start to see it decline here over the next couple quarters. Next year, I think backlog, you know, will likely decline as well at, you know, at some point throughout the year. As supply improves and lead times normalize, which I hope happens, we will see normalization of backlog, I would expect next year at some level.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Again, I still expect we'll enter or exit next year elevated, significantly elevated for that matter, but I think it'll come down off of, kind of record levels that we're at now.

Aaron Rakers
Aaron Rakers
Managing Director and Technology Analyst at Wells Fargo

Thanks, Ken. I'll stick to the one question.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Samik Chatterjee from J.P. Morgan. Your line is live.

Samik Chatterjee
Samik Chatterjee
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I guess I had the first one that I wanted to start with is you did mention early on in your prepared remarks about seeing some sort of more scrutiny from your customers, but wondering sort of what are you seeing from the service provider as well as the cloud vertical. I know there's been a lot of discussion on enterprise customers evaluating spend more, but what are you seeing from the other two vertical service provider cloud in response to the macro? If I can just squeeze in a second one here, which is just trying to think about the gross margin guide for fiscal 2023 here, which does look a bit more modest than we were expecting.

Samik Chatterjee
Samik Chatterjee
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan

Sort of trying to think about supply visibility that you have and what could potentially drive upside to that number. What are you probably, like, baking in in terms of going back into the broker markets for supply into that number, and what could potentially drive some upside to that gross margin for next year? Thank you.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Samik, thanks for the question. I'll start with the question around customers, and then I'll pass it on to Ken to talk a little bit about gross margins. As I mentioned in our prepared remarks, you know, demand remained healthy for the quarter. I think it remains above pre-pandemic levels. It remains above expectations that we had entering into the year. If you want a little bit more color about sort of SP Cloud and Enterprise, I do think the dynamics of demand are a little bit different between those two segments. If I look at SP and cloud first, there was a huge amount of early ordering that was happening just a year ago, and that's starting to normalize. I don't think it's completely normal at all, but it's starting to normalize.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

For that reason, I think if you want a view of demand, you really have to look at both orders and revenue. The combination of both, I think, are very positive for SP and cloud and give us great visibility into next year, and it's why we feel good about, you know, raising our outlook for the following year. In the enterprise, there was some early ordering that was happening a year ago, but nowhere near as much as what was happening in SP and cloud. And we continue to see great order growth, mid-teens order growth in the enterprise. I do think there's a market component to why that is. I also think there is a just a differentiation execution, the competitiveness of our offering, especially our AI-Driven Enterprise, our mistified solution that is doing so well in the market, right now.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Yeah, from a gross margin perspective for 2023, I mean, I have to, you know, remind everybody it's still a very challenging, you know, environment in supply chain world and very unpredictable. You know, I wanted to, you know, have a certain level of prudence. You know, I do believe we have an opportunity to stabilize gross margin and modestly improve gross margin. A lot of that's gonna depend on the timing of the transportation cost, the expedite fees, and the freight costs. You know, when and if those do come down. I think they will. The question is really when. You know, if it comes down quicker than we're expecting in these forecasts, then we should see some margin upside next year. I wanna plan prudently from a gross margin expectation for next year.

Samik Chatterjee
Samik Chatterjee
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Simon Leopold from Raymond James. Your line is live.

Simon Leopold
Simon Leopold
Managing Director at Raymond James

Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to see if maybe you could give us your insights or thoughts on what your product mix assumptions are for 2023 revenue. Understanding the sort of low end is 7% growth. If you could maybe rank order your reported segments to give us a sense of how you expect each to perform relatively.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Yeah. Thanks, Simon. Good question. I think probably the best indicator would actually be our long-term model. Now, you know, the number of at least 7% is likely to outperform the long-term model. From a relative basis, I still think the model pretty much applies. I would expect enterprise to be our fastest growing vertical, followed by cloud, and then service provider to be our slowest growing vertical. If you look at the customer solutions perspective, I would expect AI-Driven Enterprise to lead the way from a growth perspective, followed by Cloud-Ready Data Center and an automated WAN. I do think the relative, you know, results will hold to the model, but overall, the company has outperformed the model in all, you know, all verticals, all solutions this year.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

I think next year we have an opportunity to outperform the model as well. I think from a relative perspective, those still hold.

Simon Leopold
Simon Leopold
Managing Director at Raymond James

Thanks. Just as a very quick follow-up, EMEA was down year-over-year for you. Just whether or not you're seeing the macro really pressuring your business in that region on foreign exchange shifts or anything like that. Thank you.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

I'll take it. Honestly, nothing really. There are no patterns I would say that would say, you know, EMEA is weaker than other regions at this point in time. I think the performance in EMEA was related more to our ability to ship product that was necessary in that timeframe and the timing of deployments of solutions. We obviously keep a very close eye to, you know, make sure things do not deteriorate. For now, honestly, we're not seeing anything specific in EMEA.

Simon Leopold
Simon Leopold
Managing Director at Raymond James

Thank you.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

You bet.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from David Vogt from UBS. Your line is live.

David Vogt
David Vogt
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at UBS

Thanks, guys. Hi, Rami. Hi, Ken. Maybe just a quick question on a follow-up on backlog and what you're seeing from customers. You know, I know this is atypical, but can you kind of share with us how you're thinking about how that backlog converts into revenue over the go-forward period? I know it's different than it's been historically, but any commentary or comments you've had from, you know, your customers in terms of when they want that backlog shipped. Then Rami, to your point about, you know, conversations about, you know, customers being a little bit maybe more cautious, any sort of indication on early maybe cancellation rates that you could share with us or anything that you think is quantifiable at this point, although it's low? Just would love to kinda get your perspective on that. Thanks.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Yeah, let me start with the second part of the question first, and I'll hand it over to Ken. The answer to are there cancellations is no. We're not seeing any cancellations. Nothing that is atypical at this period of time. Then pushouts, there have been a few project pushouts, but you know, there are also pushouts in normal times as well. There's nothing that I'd say is outside normal patterns. Again, this is where we obviously have to keep a very close eye on things and just to see how the market evolves. So far so good in terms of what we're seeing on the ground, conversations, projects that are happening with our customers. You know, in the event that there is more macro-related headwinds, I think we have a few things that are going for ourselves.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

First and foremost, the diversity of our business across SP, Cloud, and Enterprise, 'cause it's unlikely, in my view, that all of these verticals will be impacted equally, and we can rely on some verticals that do better than others. I think that The types of solutions that we're offering our customers, take, for example, our AI-Driven Enterprise solution that is all around reducing the cost and the complexity of running networks, really resonate with digital transformation efforts that are happening. For that reason, I think there's a higher likelihood that such projects would be protected in the future. The competitiveness of our solutions, the fact that we have relatively small share in these massive, you know, multi-billion-dollar markets all give me confidence that even in the event that there are going to be any sort of headwinds, we can actually do quite well through that period of time.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Yeah, on the backlog conversion, I mean, when customers place an order, you know, they are, for the most part, aware of our lead time, so they're not surprised that we typically ship products, you know, several months, if not a few quarters after getting their order. You know, I'd also say in many cases, they actually want it earlier than we're able to provide it. The vast majority of our customers are trying to get the product quicker than we're currently able to deliver. The backlog we have now, I would expect to completely ship in the next 3-4 quarters, and it'll kind of be phased in over that period of time.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

It takes a few quarters for us to turn the entire backlog given the lead times that we have. You know, we are doing the best we can to accelerate the orders in accordance with the customers' expectations when supply improves.

David Vogt
David Vogt
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at UBS

Great. Really helpful. Thanks, guys.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Yep.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Sami Badri from Credit Suisse. Your line is live.

Sami Badri
Sami Badri
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Credit Suisse

Hi. Thank you. I wanted to kind of understand how much the effect of increasing pricing on products has impacted both your fiscal 4Q of 2022, and how that really impacts 2023. I guess, like every company has been moving at a little bit of a different pace, pricing products and offering customers different terms on RFPs, et cetera, but we're trying to understand when all these price increases finally make their way into the actual numbers. That's kind of, you know, the first part of the question. The second part is, if we just looked at just units, right? Ports, units, appliances, devices, and we look at the number in 2023, does your guide of high single digit or 7% revenue growth in fiscal year 2023 include greater amounts of units shipped, or is that increase being achieved via pricing mainly?

Sami Badri
Sami Badri
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Credit Suisse

Just to kind of get an idea on, you know, how Juniper is doing.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Yes. For actuals in, you know, Q3 performance and Q4 expectations for this year, we are seeing an impact from the pricing actions we've taken over the past, you know, few quarters. It's actually increasing over time. The impact we saw in Q3 was larger than we saw in Q2, and I would expect Q4's impact to be larger than Q3. The impact is showing up in revenue as well as gross margin. I would, you know, caution you on, you know, this year as well as next. This year in particular, the volume is driving the significant growth. I mean, product revenue grew 25%, year-over-year. The vast majority of that is unit-based. It's you're taking market share. It's really not pricing that's holding up these, you know, these results.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Next year, if the number were to be closer to that 7%, your kind of low end of our range, if you will, you'll see. I still believe volume would be the majority, but pricing would play a significant role in that overall result as we, you know, if we're able to outsize revenue with more volume, more inventory, more supply, you'll see that the volume is really the driving force.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from George Notter from Jefferies. Your line is live.

George Notter
George Notter
Managing Director and Equity Research of Communications Equipment at Jefferies

Hi, guys. Thanks very much. Going back to the discussion on gross margins, I think, Ken, you're alluding to about 300 basis points of supply chain impact here in the Q3 results. I guess I'm just curious about, you know, how much of that gross margin impact came from, you know, broker fees, expedite fees, that sort of thing. I'm wondering how much of that might fall off as the supply chain environment starts to get better going forward. Thanks.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Yeah. It was a little bit short of 300 basis points, but it is kind of in that 250 kind of range, 250-300 range, if you were to normalize Q3 performance. The majority of that delta is expedite fees or purchase price variance, you know, basically paying more to get the products that we want on time or earlier than we otherwise would get that, whether it's broker markets or paying extra for the part. You know, that is the majority. The other factor in that number is we still believe freight costs are elevated compared to where they're gonna normalize at. Those are the two big numbers in that delta.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

You know, I would like to think we'll see some improvement next year. I do think we're still in a very supply-constrained environment with long lead times, and we still are gonna prioritize, you know, satisfying customer demand to the best of our ability. I don't believe those costs are gonna go away entirely or go away anytime soon. I do think we could see some benefit next year, and particularly as we get into the second half of next year. Really, it's just too early to count on that. You know, I wanna make sure that we take it, you know, as time comes.

George Notter
George Notter
Managing Director and Equity Research of Communications Equipment at Jefferies

I know, just to follow up on that, I know you guys made a big investment in components, a quarter ago. Is there a point at which some of that component level inventory will have flowed through the model, and therefore you kind of go back to more of a market rate of pricing?

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

From a pricing to us, or are you sort of component cost, are we talking about?

George Notter
George Notter
Managing Director and Equity Research of Communications Equipment at Jefferies

I think we bought a bunch of stuff at the higher cost.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Yeah.

George Notter
George Notter
Managing Director and Equity Research of Communications Equipment at Jefferies

Yeah.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Yeah. I mean, well, our inventory will turn, you know, when we're able to ship it, right? The cost, you know, that we'll pay has been elevated, and I think will continue to be elevated, if we have it on our balance sheet. We'll be paying for this, you know, the same cost. The good news is if costs go up in the future, we won't have to pay those costs if we're carrying it in inventory. The primary reason for getting the components, though, just to be clear, is not really a cost-driven exercise. It's really about supply and resiliency of supply and making sure we can satisfy customer demand to the best of our ability.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Meta Marshall from Morgan Stanley. Your line is live.

Meta Marshall
Meta Marshall
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

Great. Thanks. I wanted to just kind of get a sense from you on what you're seeing in terms of cloud demand and maybe the difference between what you're seeing from your hyperscale customers versus your tier two customers, and if there's anything to note there and also, you know, just given that you had kind of a new project ramping, just how that influences how you look at cloud into 2023. Thanks.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Yeah. Thanks for the question, Meta. I remain very bullish on our cloud segment. Obviously, we had a great Q3 growing at 24% year-over-year. The strength is broad. It's in tier one hyperscalers, it's also in the cloud majors, and it also is broad in terms of the technologies that we're selling into the cloud provider segment. Our automated WAN solutions, our wide area transport solutions, and more and more data center type wins. We've alluded to a few wins that we've had in the last few quarters in fact. Our engagement level with cloud providers across the board remains exceptionally deep at the engineering level where we're engaging in, you know, existing as well as new opportunities and new projects. 400G adoption is very healthy.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

We've now seen, you know, roughly around 500, 400G wins in data center and the wide area across SP and cloud, maybe even a few large enterprises as well. I think that speaks to the engagement, but then also the strong differentiation that we have. You know, all in all, I think cloud is gonna have its ups and downs as it has always had, but the general direction should be up and to the right.

Meta Marshall
Meta Marshall
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

Just from a general how your customer like how those cloud customers are feeling about their budgets. I understand that you're doing very well within them. Just trying to get a sense of kind of the how their budgets are trending or just how you're seeing their demand activity trend.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

In terms of the projects that are most meaningful for us, I think they're feeling good. You know, as long as the cloud provider business is doing well, which, you know, they're all doing quite well, then they are going to need to invest in their network infrastructure to keep up with the demand for those cloud services. Generally speaking, I would say it's good.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Paul Silverstein from Cowen. Your line is live.

Paul Silverstein
Paul Silverstein
Managing Director at Cowen

Thanks, guys, for taking the question. First a clarification, then a broader question. On the clarification, Rami, if I heard you and Ken correctly, you've got 500, 400G wins, 100 of which are intra data center switching. Did I hear that right?

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Yes, that's correct.

Paul Silverstein
Paul Silverstein
Managing Director at Cowen

Can you share with us what's been the growth on a quarterly or annual basis in terms of the number of wins and what are the average deal sizes in trying to decipher what's the growth from the 400G upgrade cycle going forward? I've got a broader macro question for you.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Paul, it's a good question, but I don't know that number off the top of my head. It grew meaningfully just on a quarter-over-quarter basis 'cause I think we probably added 100 or so, you know, from quarter to quarter. Generally speaking, because these are 400G wins, typically they're gonna be fairly large projects. They're not necessarily going to be all large initially, but they are typically, they start, you know, with initial deployment and then they continue in time. And the last thing I'll say about 400G, whether it be in the WAN or in the data center, as much progress as we've seen, we're still early innings.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

The vast majority of ports that are being sold and deployed these days, whether it be in the WAN or the data center, are still 100G. That transition from 100G-400G is still in the process of happening right now. We should continue to benefit from it.

Paul Silverstein
Paul Silverstein
Managing Director at Cowen

Rami, to be clear, I assume you're early innings with respect to both breadth and depth of 400G adoption. My broader question, if I may, and I recognize the numbers, your order book, your revenue, plus your commentary relative to previous questions. It seems pretty clear, but I got to ask you, F5 reported tonight alongside of you, and they referenced fairly significant, in particular abroad, not so much in the U.S., North America, but they referenced a pretty significant pullback, downsizing, delays, et cetera, in projects. I asked the question whether that was specific to their product market, given what you said, and they said they don't think so, given the nature of customer behavior abroad, what they're seeing in terms of the downsizing delays. But just to be clear, you referenced some, but it sounds like it's very.

Paul Silverstein
Paul Silverstein
Managing Director at Cowen

I'm trying to decipher to what extent, you know, just how meaningful in terms of number of customers, number of projects that were impacted, you know, what that might indicate for the future, whether a downturn is coming or not for you.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Yeah. I mean, all we can say is there are certainly more customers that are thinking about their budgets and the timeline of projects. Have there been projects canceled? No. There is nothing that we see that has been canceled. Have there been some projects that have been delayed? Yes, some. But honestly, not much more than we would see in normal times, as well. Is there anything that we're seeing that's sort of geo-specific, like more in EMEA versus Asia-Pacific or North America? The answer to that question is no. It's really kind of the same worldwide at this point in time.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Amit Daryanani from Evercore. Your line is live.

Amit Daryanani
Amit Daryanani
Senior Managing Director and Equity Research at Evercore

Yep. Thanks for taking my question. You know, I guess maybe if I think back to what you just said to the prior question. You also talked about, I think enterprise will grow the fastest in fiscal 2023, worth at least 7% growth bogey. Maybe you just talk about how much of that do you think is networking budgets really growing at enterprise companies versus you picking up share and the share gains are happening. Maybe you can just talk about where are you seeing these share gains in a more pronounced manner.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

That's a great question, and obviously we'll know for sure and to what extent there is share taking that's happening in the enterprise once the share reports are actually out. There's also an orders versus revenue component to this, because obviously analysts only see the revenue and they track revenue. My strong feeling is that we're taking share in the enterprise. I think there is, you know, we're participating in markets that appear to be healthy, but I also believe we have some very competitive solutions that are in the market today across the AI-Driven Enterprise and our data center offerings as well. You heard me in my prepared remarks, I mean, Mist and our mistified revenue is crushing it.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

The last time we reported an annualized order run rate was in Q4 of 2021 of $600 million. We're now at $850 million in the Q3 timeframe. It's no longer just about selling Wi-Fi. We're selling full stack solutions. It's an enterprise architecture that's AI-Driven and cloud delivered, that runs across Wi-Fi, wired, and SD-WAN. If you look at our pipeline and our wins, a lot of that is full stack. I think the differentiation we have is just exceptional right now, and I think it'll remain exceptional for a period of time, and we're going to benefit from that. We are benefiting from that.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Alex Henderson from Needham. Your line is live.

Alex Henderson
Alex Henderson
Managing Director of Security, Data Networking and Optical Research at Needham

Great, thanks. You know, I think a lot of people got introduced to your AI capabilities, you know, with the Mist product, and it's always been a home run and really changed the dynamics for the company over time. Proven effective, proven this can drive business and upsell. I think the company as a whole seems to have gone well beyond that. You're taking that same microservice, cloud native AI open architecture, to the data center, taking it out to even the metro area WAN for service providers.

Alex Henderson
Alex Henderson
Managing Director of Security, Data Networking and Optical Research at Needham

As I look at all of the moves that you're making in terms of the acquisitions you've done and the like, it seems pretty clear to me at this point that you've made a major pivot in your strategy to one that's driven off of that set of enablement to drive the entire company. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about, you know, when you're going to decide to announce this is the company-wide strategy and, you know, the differences between your ability to execute on that strategy across the entire platform by getting employee buy-in and competitively, whether you see any of your competitors being able to follow suit. Because I don't think, for instance, Cisco could follow suit on this strategy. It's a pretty broad change you guys have executed.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Alex, thanks for the excellent question and the great insight. I think you're picking up on something that's really important. We've always at Juniper had a strategy around automation and being automation led, but you're 100% right that the AI-Driven Enterprise and the Mist component of the AI-Driven Enterprise has taught us some very valuable lessons in how to take that automation and take it to a whole new level with AI capabilities and with a cloud-delivered strategy. For example, in our metro solution that we're now, you know, selling to our customers, we've made the automation cloud first and AI-Driven. I think we have the potential to do the exact same thing in the data center as well. What you've described is exactly what's happening at Juniper.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

We've learned valuable lessons from one segment, and we're applying them to others. You know, if we need to do a better job in sort of communicating that, more broadly, I think, that's great feedback, and I appreciate it.

Alex Henderson
Alex Henderson
Managing Director of Security, Data Networking and Optical Research at Needham

Well, competitively, can you talk about anybody else? Do you see anybody else able to execute a similar strategy or whether it's Arista, whether it's HP or whether it's Cisco?

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

The more AI-Driven capabilities we add to our solutions, I think the more of a competitive differentiation we give ourselves. Honestly, where there is an opportunity to sell anything AI-Driven and cloud delivered to our customers, it's fun to compete today because we tend to win the vast majority of the time.

Alex Henderson
Alex Henderson
Managing Director of Security, Data Networking and Optical Research at Needham

Well, excellent execution.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Thank you, Alex.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from James Fish from Piper Sandler. Your line is live.

James Fish
James Fish
Managing Director at Piper Sandler

Hey, guys. Nice quarter given the environment. You guys made some comments that the supply chain is getting better. I would agree with you there. If it continues to kind of improve in the step function, you know, Ken, without putting you in too much of a hole here, but what would prevent Juniper from growing kind of double digits next year on some of this backlog flush, actually?

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Yeah. I mean, the reality is if supply chain were to increase meaningfully enough, I would say nothing would prevent us from growing double digits next year. Really, it is supply constrained at least 7%. If we see easing in the supply chain, given the backlog we have, given, you know, the visibility we have with customers and the demand we expect, you know, the great product differentiation and the sales execution, you know, this year is going to be north of double digits. You know, there's really nothing holding us back next year other than supply from my perspective, and that's the reason why I want to be prudent with the model at this time. You know, we feel we see a floor at least 7% or at 7%. We have not established a ceiling at this point.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Fahad Najam from Loop Capital. Your line is live.

Fahad Najam
Fahad Najam
Managing Director at Loop Capital

Thank you for taking my question. Rami, Ken, my question is around security. It declined a little bit. Can you maybe expand on what you're seeing? Is it that maybe security budgets were more first half loaded than in the second half? Are you seeing any pronounced impact to security in Europe? Is that something that is probably impacting your business more because of the macro?

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Yeah. Thanks for the question, Fahad. Let me first answer the last part of it, which is no, I don't think there's anything geo-specific that we're seeing in our security business. Part of the decline is self-inflicted. It has to do with the transition that we're deliberately executing on at Juniper right now from an appliance-based model to more of a software-based model that's subscription-based and that will come with recurring revenue. For that reason, we expect that there's going to be sort of ongoing headwinds for a period of time, at least until we get into the second half of next year before we start to see a recovery. There's another element of our security, which is that there's a high-end component that just tends to be lumpy.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

There are large customers that either buy or don't buy high-end security, and Q3 was particularly weak from the high-end security standpoint. Having said all that, you know, the way that we look at security and we measure our success in security is through the integration of security in our strategic solutions. We believe that more and more of our AI-Driven Enterprise solutions that we sell to our customers will have an embedded security component. We're starting to see that. We also believe that having strong security capabilities in our data center solution is going to be increasingly important to our customers, and we're also starting to see some of that as well. It's just that we're going to have.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

We need to let some of these sort of transitions, product transitions in particular from hardware to software, play out.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Operator, we'll take two more questions.

Operator

Certainly. Your next question is coming from Jim Suva from Citigroup. Your line is live.

Jim Suva
Jim Suva
Managing Director at Citigroup

Thank you. Given your great success coupled with the increase in backlog, a little commentary was made earlier about seasonality. Can you give us a little bit more insights on that? 'Cause I wonder if as we exit 2022, and I know it's early for 2023, given component constraints, does seasonality become less pronounced in 2023 given the orders backlog success you've had and the easing of supply chain? Thank you.

Ken Miller
Ken Miller
EVP and CFO at Juniper Networks

Yeah, it's a great question, Jim. At this point I do expect to see some seasonality, but I think your point is valid. I do think that the degree of seasonality that we see could be lessened a bit. I mean, historically, we've seen kind of a mid-teen decline sequentially from Q4-Q1. At this point it's a little bit too early to call, but I do see the possibility of that being a little lessened on a sequential decline basis. I do expect there to be some decline and some seasonality to remain in the business from a revenue perspective.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Tal Liani from Bank of America. Your line is live.

Tal Liani
Tal Liani
Managing Director and Technology Analyst at Bank of America

Great for squeezing me in. Thank you. I have a very high-level question that I want to understand, and it relates to something you answered before. The biggest fear is that as we work off 2023 budgets, there's going to be weakness across the board. It's not company specific, it's more macro related. The question I have is just to understand how much visibility you have into the projects, into the spending plans of your customers. 2023 budgets will only be set in the next few months. How much is their involvement on your end? How much is their involvement in the future planning? I'm just trying to assess the risk of a surprise, negative surprise because of macro, nothing specific.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

Yeah. It's a good question, Tal. I would say our visibility is very strong. I mean, first there's the visibility that comes with the backlog because these are orders that have been made for existing projects. There's the visibility that comes from having very strong, you know, strategic conversations with our customers, especially large customers, hyperscalers, large enterprise and service providers. There again, I'd say the visibility is great. The only risk would be if the things would change, if plans that we understand today were to actually change. Again, I will say that for the most part, we don't see that happening at this point in time, but we have to, of course, stay very close to our customers to see if in fact things start to change.

Rami Rahim
Rami Rahim
CEO and Member of the Board of Directors at Juniper Networks

I will reiterate here, there are deliberate things that we're doing that are designed to make us more resilient in the event that there is a downturn, the diversification of our business, the competitiveness of our solutions. Even if you look in the enterprise, we've really re-honed our go-to-market muscle on enterprise sub-segments that we believe will be more recession resilient. So healthcare, college campuses, public sector would be examples of areas that I think would be less prone to a downturn. We're making those changes and adjustments now, you know, just to prepare.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's event. You may disconnect at this time, and have a wonderful day.

Executives
    • Jess Lubert
      Jess Lubert
      Head Of Investor Relations
    • Ken Miller
      Ken Miller
      EVP and CFO
    • Rami Rahim
      Rami Rahim
      CEO and Member of the Board of Directors
Analysts
    • Aaron Rakers
      Managing Director and Technology Analyst at Wells Fargo
    • Alex Henderson
      Managing Director of Security, Data Networking and Optical Research at Needham
    • Amit Daryanani
      Senior Managing Director and Equity Research at Evercore
    • David Vogt
      Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at UBS
    • Fahad Najam
      Managing Director at Loop Capital
    • George Notter
      Managing Director and Equity Research of Communications Equipment at Jefferies
    • James Fish
      Managing Director at Piper Sandler
    • Jim Suva
      Managing Director at Citigroup
    • Meta Marshall
      Managing Director at Morgan Stanley
    • Paul Silverstein
      Managing Director at Cowen
    • Sami Badri
      Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Credit Suisse
    • Samik Chatterjee
      Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan
    • Simon Leopold
      Managing Director at Raymond James
    • Tal Liani
      Managing Director and Technology Analyst at Bank of America
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