Veralto Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Strong Q3 performance: delivered 4.6% core sales growth, 170 bps margin expansion to 24%, $0.89 EPS (up 19% YoY), and $215 M free cash flow.
  • Raised full-year outlook with adjusted EPS guidance of $3.44–3.48 (midpoint up $0.05) and Q4 adjusted EPS expected at $0.86–0.90.
  • Closed acquisition of TraceGains for $350 M, adding a fast-growing SaaS business with >95% recurring revenue and ~80% gross margin to the PQI segment.
  • China sales declined ~3% in Q3 and are expected to be flat sequentially, weighed by lower municipal water treatment funding and tougher semiconductor comps.
  • Recurring revenue comprised 61% of total sales in Q3 with 98% free cash flow conversion, underlining the durability of Veralto’s business model.
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Operator

Please stand by. Your program is about to begin. If you need assistance during your conference today, please press star zero. My name is Shelby, and I will be your conference operator this morning. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Veralto Corporation's third quarter 2024 conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during that time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then the number two on your telephone keypad. I will now turn the call over to Ryan Taylor, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. Taylor, you may begin your conference.

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor
VP of Investor Relations at Veralto

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us on the call. With me today are Jennifer Honeycutt, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Sameer Ralhan, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is simultaneously being webcast. A replay of the webcast will be available on the investor section of our website later today under the heading Events and Presentations. A replay of this call will be available until November ninth. Yesterday, we issued our third quarter news release, earnings presentation, and supplemental materials, including information required by the SEC related to adjusted or non-GAAP financial measures. Our Form 10-Q was also filed yesterday. These materials are available in the investor section of our website, www.veralto.com, under the heading Quarterly Earnings. Reconciliations of all non-GAAP measures are also provided in the appendix of the webcast slides.

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor
VP of Investor Relations at Veralto

Unless otherwise noted, all references to variances are on a year-over-year basis. During the call, we will make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements regarding events or developments that we believe or anticipate will or may occur in the future. These forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties, including those set forth in our SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially from our forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date that they are made, and we do not assume any obligation to update any forward-looking statements except as required by law. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jennifer.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Thank you, Ryan, and thank you all for joining our call today. It has been just over one year since we became an independent public company. In that time, I'm proud of what our team of 16,000 associates has accomplished to establish a track record of consistent performance, profitable growth, and investments for the future. These accomplishments are a testament to our talented team and continuous improvement culture, powered by the Veralto Enterprise System. VES enables us to differentiate in the marketplace and is deeply ingrained in our culture. It is the driving force of our daily operations as we strive to deliver results with top talent, continually improve for enduring impact, and unlock ingenuity for customer success, all while serving humanity with purpose and integrity.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

During the past year, we simplified the VES toolkit to focus on the fundamentals bolstered by growth tools, operational excellence, and high-impact leadership development. This has fortified our execution and enabled us to better capitalize on durable thematic growth drivers across both business segments. Approximately 85% of our sales support the delivery of clean water, safe food, and trusted essential goods. Our customers value our products and solutions because they support critical aspects of daily operations where the risk of failure is high. Our businesses are well-established leaders in their industries, with earned authority, large install bases, and intimate customer relationships. These factors, along with our high level of recurring revenue and broad service networks, create incredibly durable growth and help insulate us from economic cycles. Our third quarter performance underscores the power of VES and the durability of our businesses.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Our teams across the world executed well and delivered another quarter of strong performance with mid-single-digit core sales growth, robust margin expansion, and strong cash generation. And we continued to increase our investments in sales, marketing, and innovation to support future value creation. In addition to these organic investments, we have cultivated a pipeline of inorganic opportunities for both segments aligned to our strategy, purpose, and disciplined M&A criteria. Early in the fourth quarter, we completed the acquisition of TraceGains, a leading provider of software solutions that enable consumer brands to meet increasingly stringent compliance regulations for food and beverage safety and traceability. Its cloud-based solutions and large network connect consumer brands with ingredient manufacturers. This enables consumer brands to develop new products more efficiently, while also monitoring quality and compliance.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

TraceGains serves a fast-growing market segment and has grown its top line by 20% compound annual growth rate over the past three years. This year, TraceGains expects sales to exceed $30 million, with more than 95% on a recurring basis, and a gross margin of approximately 80%. The financial profile and recurring revenue business model of TraceGains meets our disciplined acquisition criteria and strengthens our PQI segment. TraceGains is highly complementary to our PQI brands and connects digital workflows for our CPG customers across new product development, compliance, and packaging. We now can streamline processes for consumer brands from source to shelf to relieve pain points as they work to accelerate time to market.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Synergies with Esko's global customer base, direct sales channel, and the application of VES, represent key value creation levers that we believe will accelerate TraceGains growth, expand its market presence, and improve its operating efficiency. We believe Veralto is the ideal new home for TraceGains, and we're excited to welcome TraceGains associates to our team. Moving forward, we continue to evaluate additional strategic opportunities that align with our commitment to deliver clean water, safe food, and trusted essential goods, and position us to seize emerging market opportunities with attractive long-term value creation potential. Now, looking specifically at our consolidated Q3 financial results, we delivered 4.6% core sales growth, with volume contributing 2.8% growth and pricing contributing 1.8%.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Our growth was broad-based across key end markets and regions, highlighted by continued strong demand for industrial water treatment in North America and gradual recovery across consumer packaged goods markets globally. We expanded adjusted operating margin by a hundred and seventy basis points year-over-year to 24%. Adjusted earnings per share grew 19% year-over-year to $0.89, and we generated $215 million of free cash flow, further strengthening our financial position. Looking at core sales growth by geography in the third quarter, sales across all three major regions grew in the mid-single digits. In North America, which represents nearly half of our total company sales, core sales grew 5.5%, with growth across both segments, led by 7% growth in Water Quality.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

In Water Quality, we continued to capitalize on strong demand for chemical water treatment solutions, which grew high single digits in North America. From an industrial market perspective, this growth was broad-based, with the strongest growth in food and beverage and chemical processing. We also continued to see strong growth for UV systems at municipalities in North America. In water treatment, we're partnering with customers to help them achieve their sustainability goals related to water conservation, reclamation, and reuse. In our water treatment businesses, we are well positioned to benefit from onshoring or reshoring activity in North America. This includes technology investments such as data centers, which consume large quantities of water for cooling. At our PQI segment, core sales in North America grew 2.5% in Q3, with packaging color sales up mid-single digits and marking and coding sales up low single digits.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

In Western Europe, core sales grew just over 4% year-over-year, with both Water Quality and PQI growing near the company average. The sales growth in Western Europe was concentrated in water analytics and marking and coding. Note that our total company growth in Western Europe included an approximately fifty basis points headwind related to the strategic portfolio actions in our Water Quality segment that we mentioned on prior earnings calls. In high-growth markets, core sales grew 4.5% in the third quarter. We continued to see strong growth in Latin America, with core sales up about 10%, led by water analytics, water treatment, and marking and coding. Latin America now represents about 10% of our total company sales, and we are investing for growth in this region.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Within high-growth markets, the growth in Latin America more than offset a modest 3% decline of sales into China. Overall, we delivered terrific third quarter financial results on the back of strong commercial and operational execution... and on the strength of our third quarter performance, we raised our full-year adjusted EPS guidance. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Sameer to provide details on our third quarter results and guidance for the balance of the year.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Thanks, Jennifer, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin with our consolidated results for the third quarter. Net sales grew 4.7% on year-over-year basis to just over $1.3 billion. Core sales grew 4.6%. Currency was a modest benefit in the quarter. Our core sales growth was driven by increased volume at 2.8%, with positive volume growth across both segments, led by PQI. This marks the second consecutive quarter in which volume grew across both the segments. Price contributed 1.8% growth in this quarter, in line with historical levels. Our recurring revenue grew mid-single digits year-over-year and comprised 61% of our total sales. We expanded margins at both segments through pricing, improved productivity, and cost optimization. Gross profit increased 8% year-over-year to $783 million.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Gross profit margin improved 200 basis points year-over-year to 59.6%, reflecting the benefits of pricing, as well as improved productivity and reduced manufacturing costs. Adjusted operating profit increased 13% year-over-year, and adjusted operating profit margin expanded 170 basis points to 24.1%. We delivered strong margin expansion while investing in our sales and marketing efforts to drive future growth. We also increased our R&D investments, with R&D as a percent of sales increasing 40 basis points over the prior year period. These investments are aligned with our strategic growth plans, and we expect to continue to fund ongoing growth investments. Looking at earnings per share for Q3, adjusted earnings per share grew 19% year-over-year to $0.89, and free cash flow was $215 million, or approximately 98% conversion of GAAP net income.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Moving on, I'll cover the segment highlights, starting with Water Quality. Our Water Quality segment delivered $801 million of sales, up 3.6% on a year-over-year basis. Currency was a 20 basis points headwind, and divestitures had 20 basis points impact versus the prior year period. In addition, small product lines that we strategically exited in the fourth quarter of 2023 resulted in approximately 70 basis points headwind to core growth for the Water Quality segment in the third quarter. The headwind from these product line exits has annualized and will not impact our fourth quarter results. Core sales grew 4% year-over-year. Pricing contributed 2.1%, and volume growth contributed 1.9% to year-over-year core sales growth.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Our volume growth was driven by strong demand for water treatment solutions in our industrial end markets and UV treatment systems in municipal end markets. We also saw strong growth in sales of reagents and chemistries to municipalities. Recurring sales across Water Quality segment grew high single digits. Adjusted operating profit increased 4% year-over-year to $199 million, and adjusted operating profit margin increased 10 basis points to 24.8%. Moving to the next page, our PQI segment delivered sales of $513 million in the third quarter, up 6.3% year-over-year. Currency was a 40 basis points tailwind. Core sales grew 5.7%, volume contributed 4.3%, and price increases contributed 1.4% to the year-over-year core sales growth.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

PQI's recurring sales grew high single digits year-over-year, with continued positive momentum across the portfolio. Recurring revenue increased to 64% of PQI sales mix in this quarter. Breaking this down by business, marking and coding sales grew mid-single digits, driven by growth in both consumables and equipment. The strongest growth was at food and beverage applications with our CPG customer base. In our packaging and color business, core sales grew high single digits year-over-year, led by growth in recurring software and subscription revenue. PQI's adjusted operating profit was $142 million in the third quarter, up $32 million over the prior year period, resulting in adjusted operating profit margin of 27.7%. That represents a 490 basis points improvement in adjusted operating profit margin over the prior year period.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

The margin expansion was driven primarily by pricing, strong operating leverage, and cost optimization initiatives. As a reminder, PQI's profitability in the third quarter of 2023 was unfavorably impacted by changes in foreign currency, particularly the devaluation of the Argentine peso, which did not repeat in the third quarter of 2024. Overall, it was a very strong quarter for PQI, which further demonstrates the earnings power of our PQI businesses. Turning now to our balance sheet and cash flow. In Q3, we generated $224 million of cash from operations. Cash flow from operations for the third quarter reflects the biannual cash interest payments on our senior notes. We also invested $9 million in capital expenditures. Free cash flow was $215 million in the quarter, or 98% conversion of GAAP net income.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

At the end of the third quarter, gross debt was $2.6 billion, and cash on hand was $1.27 billion. Net debt was $1.37 billion, resulting in net leverage of 1.1 times. As Jennifer shared, early in the fourth quarter, we acquired TraceGains at a gross purchase price of $350 million. The deal was funded with cash on hand. Pro forma for this acquisition, our financial position still remains strong, and we continue to have flexibility in how we deploy capital to create long-term shareholder value with a bias towards M&A. We have an attractive pipeline of opportunities in both Water Quality and PQI. We will remain disciplined in our approach as we continue to deploy capital to create long-term shareholder value. Turning now to our guidance for the fourth quarter.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

We are targeting core sales growth in the low to mid-single digit range on a year-over-year basis, consistent with the level of core growth we reported in the second and third quarter of 2024. We expect acquisitions to contribute about 60 basis points to year-over-year sales growth. Including the impact of the TraceGains acquisition, we expect adjusted operating profit margin of approximately 24% in the fourth quarter. This represents 30 basis points of improvement in adjusted operating profit margin on a year-over-year basis and is flat sequentially. And our Q4 2024 guidance for adjusted EPS is $0.86-$0.90 per share. For the full year, we raised our adjusted EPS guidance to a range of $3.44-$3.48 per share.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Midpoint of our updated full-year Adjusted EPS guidance of $3.46 per share is up $0.05 from the prior guidance. Also, at the midpoint, this represents year-over-year Adjusted EPS growth of 8%. That concludes my prepared remarks. At this point, I'll turn the call back over to Jennifer for closing remarks.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Thanks, Sameer. In summary, we delivered high-quality growth and margin expansion in the third quarter, further demonstrating the durability of our business, the power of VES, and the talent of our team. Across the company, we are executing well and capitalizing on the secular growth drivers across both segments. Based on the strength of our third quarter results, we raised our full-year Adjusted EPS guidance, and at the outset of the fourth quarter, we completed the acquisition of TraceGains. Our financial position remains strong, and we continue to evaluate additional strategic opportunities within our disciplined framework of market, company, and valuation. As we look longer term, we remain committed to creating value through steady, durable sales growth, continuous improvement, and disciplined capital allocation. That concludes our prepared remarks, and at this time, we are happy to take your questions.

Operator

At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press the star and one on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by pressing star two. Once again, that is star and one to ask a question. We will pause for a moment to allow questions to queue. And we'll take our first question from Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup. Your line is open.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Andrew Kaplowitz
Analyst at Citigroup

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Good morning, Andy.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Good morning, Andy.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Andrew Kaplowitz
Analyst at Citigroup

Sameer, I know you want to be conservative, but just looking at the Q4 guidance, you're guiding below Q3's core growth and adjusted operating margin, even as it seems like PQI continues to recover. I know your year-over-year comp in Q4 is a bit more difficult than Q3, and I think you just said you have some minor negative TraceGains impacts in there for Q4. But is there any other reason why year-over-year growth and margin would be a little down in Q4 versus Q3, or is it just a bit of conservatism in the guide?

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

No, Andy, thanks. Look, from the margin perspective, really, on a year-over-year basis, when you look at it, it's really three things that are kind of driving it, and the first one is, of course, the TraceGains, the operating impact, as well as some of the transaction costs. So that's roughly thirty basis points of an impact that you're gonna see in Q4, and then the higher corporate costs as they're getting to the run rate, tied to some of the one-time costs related to first year activities as a public company, so that's another kind of a fifty basis points, Andy. So those combined are almost eighty basis points of an impact on the margin in Q4, and then after that, it's really a mix of, equipment sales.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

As the printer sales, you know, we feel really good about some of that engagement with the customers, that equipment volume is coming back, that's gonna have an impact on the margins. So those are the really three things, Andy, which are kind of driving our view on the 24% margin for Q4.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Andrew Kaplowitz
Analyst at Citigroup

... and just the growth side, Sameer, like, you know, anything to sort of call out there, just, you know, kind of similar to Q3?

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Similar to Q3, look, I mean, I think the overall sort of demand patterns are very similar. On the consumer pack, it's a good sign for PQI. We feel encouraged. It's a sort of a steady recovery that we are seeing in the marketplace. And the water, again, you saw our commentary around the industrial end markets that we saw in North America. That continues. Europe is steady, and I think China, we're all watching. It's just kind of sequentially flat, is what you kind of think about from a guide perspective. And just as a reminder on the growth side, when you kind of start looking from a year-over-year perspective, Andy, Q4 was strong in China, so that's gonna be a little bit of an impact.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Q4 last year, so that's gonna be a little bit of an impact. But, no, it's, it's almost like a Q3 kind of a quarter.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Andrew Kaplowitz
Analyst at Citigroup

Got it. And then, Jennifer, can you give a little more color into your thought process of how TraceGains is going to help drive growth through revenue synergies in PQI? Obviously, you mentioned source-to-shelf solutions. TraceGains we know is already growing fast, but are you expecting TraceGains to allow you to take more market share with food and beverage customers in the near term, and, and maybe that enhances your overall core growth? How do you think about that?

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Yeah, thanks for the question. We're really excited about TraceGains. You know, they provide a cloud-based solution that connect the brands with ingredient manufacturers and help address increasingly stringent compliance regulations for food and beverage safety and traceability. The synergy with Esko allows us to integrate the packaging and the new product development workflows. It also helps improve data integrity and reduce time to market, which are two critical pain points for customers. In terms of the outlook there, they've been a strong grower in terms of delivering double-digit sales growth since 2022. We would expect this momentum to continue as we think about, you know, food and beverage customers being early in their digitization journey.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

So with the macro of regulatory drivers, consumer safety mandates, we feel really good about bringing this business in and getting synergy with Esko to drive forward momentum and improve our growth profile there.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Andrew Kaplowitz
Analyst at Citigroup

Appreciate all the color.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Thanks, Andy.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Mike Halloran with Baird. Your line is open.

Michael Halloran
Michael Halloran
Analyst at Baird

Great. Good morning, everyone.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Good morning, Mike.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Mike.

Michael Halloran
Michael Halloran
Analyst at Baird

First one, just on the CPG side and the underlying trends you're seeing sequentially through the quarter and into Q4 here, any change in the thought process on how the improvement is coming around on that side of things? I know the content so far has talked about a gradual improvement. Any tone change, and then maybe talk about the moving pieces behind it that give you confidence into 2025?

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Yeah, I mean, I think we continue to be encouraged by the ongoing recovery in CPG, but we also see it as slow and steady. Some of our early indicators here are that we've just completed the fifth consecutive quarter of mid to high single digit growth in recurring revenue at PQI, and as we've mentioned in prior calls, you know, this is an indication that lines are coming back online, that they're being refurbished, and now that we've seen two consecutive quarters of year-over-year growth in equipment sales, it also suggests that brand owners are upgrading their printer technology and replacing printers that are aging out. So we see continued strength here. We think it's kind of slow and gradual.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

We're not gonna see any dramatic inflection points, but we're pretty confident that what we're seeing is good, robust market recovery. You know, relative to the submarkets, you know, data's a little bit mixed. You know, beverages are generally up, elective snacks are down, but at-home food spend is still a little bit negative. It is improving sequentially, and so, you know, we are encouraged by the market indicators, but, you know, still early days in the recovery, and we expect to continue to execute well. You know, I think our recent product launches and newest innovations are also gaining momentum.

Michael Halloran
Michael Halloran
Analyst at Baird

Helpful. Appreciate that. And then, just on the packaging color side of things, you know, now that you have TraceGains in there, broadens out the offering. When you think about that digital workflow that you're trying to accomplish, what are the gaps? You know, what do you feel like is left to fill in? And, you know, organic versus inorganic, I'm assuming more of that fill in is inorganic, but curious what's left and where you see the air pockets still in the offering.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Yeah, I mean, I think it's early, as we said, in the digitization journey for CPG customers. There are a lot of sort of disaggregated data flows and needs that they have to tick and tie information. And really, what we're looking to do is to make sure that we're well-positioned to solve unmet customer needs and address some of those pain points. So we do see more optionality in the space, both organically and inorganically, and we're excited about that in the future.

Michael Halloran
Michael Halloran
Analyst at Baird

Thanks, Jennifer.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Nathan Jones with Stifel. Your line is open, and Nathan Jones, your line is open. Please make sure you're not muted on your end.

Nathan Jones
Nathan Jones
Analyst at Stifel

Good morning, everyone.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

... Good morning, Nathan.

Nathan Jones
Nathan Jones
Analyst at Stifel

I guess I wanted to start on a comment you made in your prepared remarks, Jennifer, on having simplified the VES tool set and having that make the business better able to capitalize on durable growth trends. I wonder if you could just talk a little bit more about the kinds of things that you've done to, you know, adapt the VES system to Veralto and how you think that positions you to better capitalize on durable growth trends.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Yeah, I mean, I think once we came over, a little over a year ago, we took a hard look at the tools in terms of which were really material to improving sort of growth and profitability profile, giving us access to markets, accelerating new product development, and so on. And so the simplification was really focused around narrowing the field of tools that sit in what we call the VES fundamentals. And these are tools; it's five or six tools that are relevant to every function and every business, regardless of where you sit in the organization. And it's really a disciplined approach to good critical thinking and problem-solving, and how you know that you're winning each and every day, whether you're red or green, in terms of visual management and how you're correcting course along the way.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

We've subsequently fortified that tool set with very select growth tools, operational excellence tools, and leadership tools. And so the way to think about this, Nathan, is we've narrowed the tool set to the critical few to drive discipline and focus. And we've made sure that VES is really being used by everyone, all functions, all businesses, and so on. So, we're excited about sort of the new simplified way of creating focus here. And as I mentioned, we selectively will develop tools, as and when the business needs them going forward.

Nathan Jones
Nathan Jones
Analyst at Stifel

Thanks. And then I've got one on TraceGains. Can you talk about what the algorithm is you need to achieve out of TraceGains in terms of growth margin expansion to hit that double-digit ROI by year six? And then I think there's some planned investments to go into that business to drive growth. Maybe just a comment on whether that should be accretive to earnings in 2025.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Yeah, I think, you know, we really like the growth profile here. Obviously, they've been growing solid double digits here in recent history. We have seen them continue to invest here, and we will continue to invest to fuel their growth. They are an early-phase business, but maybe to the numbers specifically, I'll turn that over to Sameer.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Thanks, Jennifer. Yeah, Nathan, as you're gonna look at from the 2025 perspective, the way it stands right now, as Jennifer said, given the growth that we are seeing at TraceGains and the investments that we'll continue to make to drive that growth, we expect it to be modestly dilutive. But just to put it in perspective, this is a pretty small acquisition, so it's gonna have a minimal impact at best on 2025. But we'll walk through the 2025 EPS growth bridge when we come back in February and talk about 2025 guide.

Nathan Jones
Nathan Jones
Analyst at Stifel

Awesome. Thanks very much for taking my questions.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Thanks, Nathan.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Deane Dray
Deane Dray
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Good morning, Deane.

Deane Dray
Deane Dray
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Hey, there's a major fast food company going through a food contamination situation. I'm not asking you to comment specifically on it, but as a use case, hypothetically, how does Veralto have, you know, positioned in the food chain to be able to identify and do that kind of trace work, on a kind of an emergency basis?

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

As you know, Deane, we've got a broad portfolio of solutions relative to contaminant control and detection. Most of that sits on the water side. Some of that is transferable to the food side of things. Today, most of our analytics really sits on the inorganic side of the business. We do have good technologies to bring to bear in this space, but certainly when it comes to sort of an acute outbreak of a foodborne issue, we don't play as heavily there than we might play if it was a waterborne outbreak. So we're well positioned, certainly in the water space and anything that relates to water. And you know, we think we've got a good play here with the addition of TraceGains, and we're excited about how we think about that market going forward.

Deane Dray
Deane Dray
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Yeah, Jennifer, I'm not asking so much about the analytics around, you know, salmonella or on, you know, what the actual contaminant was, but just the traceability across the food chain of, you know, what producer, you know, there's barcodes, there's shipment data and so forth, and you're part of that chain, and that's part of the traceability appeal of Veralto. And just, you know, hypothetically, how would that work?

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you're thinking about traceability and following a contaminant or a series of contaminants through the food chain and food cycle, we're well prepared to do that. You know, TraceGains gets us, you know, to the traceability of the ingredient information, right? And for brand manufacturers, that's incredibly important in terms of where they're sourcing raw materials. But frankly, our coding and marking business will give you date codes, lot codes, and traceability for how to identify where those products have gone and how to actually ring-fence, quarantine them, and pull them off the market. So we're well positioned here.

Deane Dray
Deane Dray
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

All right. That's exactly what I was looking for, so I appreciate that. And then just a follow-up for Sameer or Jennifer. You all reference a disciplined acquisition criteria, and as far as I know, you all haven't really laid this out in, you know, wasn't at your Investor Day. What are the hurdles that you set? Because the expected double-digit ROIC for TraceGains is rather extended versus, and we get it, it's a SaaS business. It's a different set of expectations versus industrial acquisitions. But just give us a sense of what the acquisition hurdles are as, you know, we think about prospective M&A.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Hey, Deane. Thanks, Deane. I'll take that one. From an M&A perspective, as you know, our, you know, as we look at the opportunity set, it's always deeply rooted in our framework, which is market company valuation. And from the financial metrics point of view, you know, things like ROIC, growth, margin, cash flow, accretion are all very important as we kind of evaluate all the opportunities. It's all about striking the right balance, depending on the acquisitions. What I would say from an ROIC perspective, it depends on the complexity and the kind of deal. For example, if it's a small bolt-on that we are looking at, that'll be, we expect to be at cost of capital by year three.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

And if it's a large acquisition, it's a technology acquisition, for example, TraceGains is a great example for that, we'll achieve ROIC close to cost of capital by year five or six.

Deane Dray
Deane Dray
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

That's very helpful. Thank you.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Thanks, Deane.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Brian Lee
Brian Lee
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Hey, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe first one for Sameer. You mentioned, you know, you're seeing good strength in PQI. Some of the equipment sales seem like they're going to start to flow through more meaningfully into four Q, but have some, you know, slight margin implications. Can you quantify that? And then given kind of the backlog and visibility you have on equipment volumes into, I guess, you know, 2025, should we expect that level to maybe persist in the PQI margins for a couple more quarters?

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Yeah. Hey, thanks, Brian. Thanks for your question. As we kind of look at the equipment side, first of all, from a growth perspective, we expect. You know, we feel really good about the engagement that we have with the customers right now, and all the signals that the teams are getting. We expect the equipment recovery to happen over the next few quarters in 2025. So it's going to be a slow and steady, kind of a gradual recovery in the equipment side. From a margin perspective, you know, the way to quantify it is to really look at what the mix was in twenty nineteen, right? But things will a little more normalized on where the gross margins were. That kind of helps you quantify a little bit on what the impact may be.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

But again, you know, things have changed quite a bit, and as, as Jennifer said earlier, we've simplified VES. We are attacking all these things from a VES perspective, so we'll mitigate any impact as much as we can, but it's going to have a little bit of an impact on the gross margin.

Brian Lee
Brian Lee
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay, great. That's helpful. And then maybe just on China. You know, you called it out as a modest headwind on growth this quarter, I think 3%. You're saying it's going to be flat sequential, but you had the tougher comp from Q4 last year. Just kind of taking a step back, can you speak to sort of what you're seeing on the ground in China, if this is sort of just you know, bouncing along bottom for a little while? Is there any potential for a pickup as you see it in the near term, just with some of the stimulus potentially brewing out there? Just any views on kind of the state of the state in China? Thanks.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Yeah. Yeah, thanks for the question. You know, at an aggregate level, I think the year is playing out as we anticipated in China. Really no meaningful recovery or change in sales and demand profile. To use your words, we kind of are bouncing along the bottom. We were down modestly, about 3% year-over-year, but from a segment perspective, we kind of have two different trends here in Q3. We are seeing in PQI modest recovery in both CPG and industrial markets as they reignite their manufacturing activity over there. So we are seeing modest growth there. In Water Quality, kind of a little bit of the opposite.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

We continue to see challenges in funding at municipal customer sites, and then certainly from a year-over-year perspective, we had a pretty significant number of orders go out on semiconductor projects from our Trojan business last year. So they had a very strong sort of second half in 2023 that you know is not gonna repeat here in 2024. The good news, if there is some silver lining here, is that we still see strong demand here in the U.S. for semiconductor orders and activity. So a little bit of a shift in terms of where that business is occurring. In near term, we're just not expecting really any overall improvement. It's kind of gonna be more of the same.

Brian Lee
Brian Lee
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay, understood. I appreciate the color. I'll pass it on.

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor
VP of Investor Relations at Veralto

... Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Andrew Buscaglia with BNP. Your line is open.

Andrew Buscaglia
Andrew Buscaglia
Analyst at BNP Paribas Exane

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Good morning, Andrew.

Andrew Buscaglia
Andrew Buscaglia
Analyst at BNP Paribas Exane

I just wanted to start out, you know, with Water Quality. You know, sales were solid. Margins also good, but maybe a little bit below what I was forecasting. And I'm wondering if you could kind of dig into the difference, the margin differential with Analytics and Treatment. It looks like treatment or analytics is lagging a little bit behind treatment. And how do you see that playing out over the next 12 months with how those progress and maybe the margin impact?

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Yeah, I'll take that one. If you look at it from a margin perspective, right, you're right. Like, it's gonna. You know, analytics has been growing nicely. It's a more steady business for us, as you know, Andrew. But on the other hand, the treatment side, we are seeing some really good growth from the industrial end markets. Analytics tends to be a little higher margin. There's not a huge delta, but a slightly higher margin than the industrial and the chemical treatment kind of businesses. So that mix has a little bit of an impact, but nothing sort of a major. I would say the only other thing, really, Andrew, is quarter to quarter, I mean, it impacts.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

We'll be making investments, as we said, as we're gonna think about growth and the growth opportunities that we see for the business in 2025. We are gearing up for those growth opportunities, making those investments on the sales and marketing side. That's really the impact, but beyond that, I won't read too much into it.

Andrew Buscaglia
Andrew Buscaglia
Analyst at BNP Paribas Exane

Okay. Okay, you know, and PQI's been such a great story, all year. I'm wondering if, you know, a lot of analysts like myself, don't have a ton of context with, in terms of understanding the CPG markets and cycles. How does this cycle feel versus past ones in terms of, recovery? Because this is, this tends to be a low single-digit business long term, but it can have some big swings to the upside. So how do you guys see that playing out, this cycle?

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Yeah, we really like the PQI business, and I think if you look at its history over the past 20 years, we've only had sort of three periods of contraction, so it-

Andrew Buscaglia
Andrew Buscaglia
Analyst at BNP Paribas Exane

Mm-hmm.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

It tends to hold up really well through various economic cycles. And what I would say in comparing this recovery to prior recoveries is, prior recoveries was more of a V-shaped recovery, kind of fast down and fast up. I think what we've seen sort of post-pandemic is a gradual and steady, you know, progressive, sequential improvement, so it's more U-shaped than V-shaped. But you know, we continue to be encouraged by the leading indicators that we see in terms of, you know, volume of that's published from our top CPG customers. And you know, demand continues to consistently grow, and that's also supported by the sales out that we've seen from our recurring revenue, and then the two sequential quarters of equipment growth. So again, I think it's slow and steady wins the race here.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

We're not gonna see any huge inflection points, but we're encouraged by certainly what we see in the market today.

Andrew Buscaglia
Andrew Buscaglia
Analyst at BNP Paribas Exane

Okay. Thank you.

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor
VP of Investor Relations at Veralto

Hey, Shelby, we're ready for the next question.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Andrew Krill. Your line is open with Deutsche Bank.

Andrew Krill
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Securities

Hi. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Wanted to circle back to the strong Latin America growth, so I wonder if you could expand a little on, you know, like, why you think this all of a sudden accelerated so much, and has this been, you know, years of investment that's kind of finally coming through? , and then, you know, do you think it's sustainable going forward, and maybe any color on, like, the margins here, if they're any different than the company average? Thanks.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Yeah, thank you for the question, Andrew. We've been really pleased with our performance in Latin America, and, you know, we've watched this region closely, you know, over the course of the last couple of years here. We've made some commercial investments here to sort of focus the team at capturing the highest growth opportunities. And so I think what we're seeing there is the benefit of some reshoring or onshoring activity as some of the customers look to diversify their risk and insulate themselves from any sort of geographical constraints that they might see in China. But we're also starting to see some benefit from privatization of water utilities in Brazil. That's giving us some good opportunity around how we serve those customers and some changes in business model that help us serve them effectively.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

So I think this is a region for us to continue to stay focused on. As you know, we said in our prepared remarks, Latin America represents 10% of our total sales, and it's growing well for us.

Andrew Krill
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Securities

Anything on, just the margins, or should we assume they're kind of similar to the company average?

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

It's very similar, Andrew. I think, nothing dramatically different.

Andrew Krill
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Securities

... Got it. And then, going back to, I think, the broader M&A pipeline discussion, just wondering, you know, as I think TraceGains came through, just is there, like, a theoretical limit to the number of deals, you know, you think the company can handle per year? And I guess, you know, in terms of maybe bolt-ons, is there a number? And if you did a larger, would you expect, you know, to kind of take your foot off the gas, with bolt-ons? Thanks.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Thanks for the question. You know, M&A is fairly episodic. We don't necessarily control the timing here, but what we can say is we're excited about the level of activity and engagement we have for both sides of the house. Funnels for Water Quality and PQI are both very full, and we continue to be heavily engaged in this area. You know, we don't set thresholds or limits to, you know, what we can digest here by way of number of deals or size. It stands to reason that we feel well prepared to be able to execute on our M&A playbook and bring in deals of various sizes and scale, as and when we find the right intersection of market, company, and valuation.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Again, this is an area that we're excited about. We don't have any preset thresholds, but you know, we will capitalize on the opportunity as and when we're able to, you know, go after deals that meet our stringent criteria.

Andrew Krill
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Securities

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Joe Giordano with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Joseph Giordano
Joseph Giordano
Analyst at TD Cowen

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Morning, Joe.

Joseph Giordano
Joseph Giordano
Analyst at TD Cowen

Hey, I just wanted to touch back on the margins on Water Quality. I know Sameer mentioned some of the puts and takes there, but yeah, if I look at year on year, growth is pretty strong, price is pretty good, and you had some divestments, which I assume are lower margin than the fleet average there. So, like, the leverage there, obviously, it was up, you know, ten basis points year on year. Can you just talk through, like, the lack of leverage in the quarter and, like, what, if anything, are kind of more one-time in the quarter that might, you know, go away if you were to keep growing at this pace?

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Yeah, Joe, I'll take that one. If you kind of look at it from the margin perspective, right, you know, on the Water Quality side, we talked a little bit about the puts and takes, but still, you know, the flow-through is close to 30%. So, you know, as you're gonna think about from a long-term growth algorithm perspective, you know, 30%, 35%, so they're pretty close. That's also, as we said, you know, we are making investments in the sales and marketing side in that business, as you're gonna think about how we orient ourselves to capture the future growth. Then when we move to PQI, you know, the flow-through has been really good.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

You know, it's a little over 100%, and even if you pro forma for the one time, I think there's only one thing that you can think about one-time item, and that was in 2023 Q3, the Argentine peso impact. Even if, if you pro forma off of that, the fall-through in PQI has been close to 80%. So net/net to the company level, we are 60% kind of a fall-through. So overall fall-through has been good. And as we kind of move into the 2024, I kind of laid out some of the puts and takes on the margin side, so there's nothing, one-off items kind of thing here, Joe, that are impacting the margins.

Joseph Giordano
Joseph Giordano
Analyst at TD Cowen

Okay. And then on CapEx, like, can you talk about the long-term needs of the organization? It's still. It's extremely light on a kind of percentage of sales, and even if I was to apply all the CapEx to just Water Quality, it's still pretty low. So what should that kind of balance out as a percentage? And then just I had one quick one on TraceGains afterwards.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Yeah. I mean, if you look at the CapEx side, it's really... We are not a very capital-intensive business, as you know, right? It's a pretty asset-light model. The strength of the business is driving the value is really through on the R&D side and the commercial side. That's where you see the investments and the impact on the P&L side. But from a CapEx, 1%-2% is how you should think about that. It really comes down to the projects, depending on how they're gonna pan out from a timing perspective, but 1%-2% is the right way to think about CapEx for us. We're running a little light this year.

Joseph Giordano
Joseph Giordano
Analyst at TD Cowen

Okay. And then just last on TraceGains, like you mentioned, the combination with Esko. I'm just curious, like from a, from a customer standpoint, how does this work? Like, are you-- are these independent offerings that are being pitched separately, or are you gonna be able to get TraceGains through the Esko platform? Like, I'm just curious as to what the customer experience is to, to have that whole, like, totality of the, you know, from, from source to shelf.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Yeah, thanks for the question. You know, I think the way to think about this is we will serve customers in the way that they want to be served. One thing that we do see is Esko's got great strength at the enterprise level, and TraceGains has got great strength kind of at the mid-market level. The cross-pollination of the two, you know, will catalyze sort of expanded share of wallet, I think, at customers, and give them more solutions to their sort of digital integration challenges that they're working with today. So it will vary by region, it'll vary by customer, but we feel good about the combination of the two going forward.

Joseph Giordano
Joseph Giordano
Analyst at TD Cowen

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Damian Karas with UBS. Your line is open.

Damian Karas
Damian Karas
Analyst at UBS

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Morning, Damian.

Damian Karas
Damian Karas
Analyst at UBS

... Morning. Sameer, sorry if I missed this. Did you quantify how much of headwind the Water Quality product exits were to the third quarter sales?

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

I'm sorry, Damian, can you repeat that? Oh-

Damian Karas
Damian Karas
Analyst at UBS

The Water Quality product exits.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

It's roughly 70 basis points on the growth side, Damian.

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor
VP of Investor Relations at Veralto

70 to the segment.

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor
VP of Investor Relations at Veralto

Okay, got it.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

70 to the segment.

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor
VP of Investor Relations at Veralto

50 to the total company.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Sure.

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor
VP of Investor Relations at Veralto

Fifty BPS.

Damian Karas
Damian Karas
Analyst at UBS

That's helpful. Thank you. I wanted to ask you guys, so there's some updated regulations requiring a lower threshold for lead and copper in drinking water systems that were finalized earlier in the month. Just curious if you think that that's something could have a meaningful impact on your business? I mean, is there a good way to kind of think about that? I think there's ten years to meet the requirement. Would you expect implementation to happen sooner rather than later, or is that the type of change that, you know, everyone kind of just waits until the last minute to address?

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

So Damian, the way to think about this is, you know, our analytics business is four to five times the menu of anyone else in the market. We've got the broadest portfolio with decades of innovation in this space. We are already well positioned with our technologies associated with detecting lead and copper. So unless there is an increase in frequency of testing, which there may be on the margin, just to validate, you know, we would expect this to just be business that we get in the normal course of you know, running the business. So I wouldn't think about this as, you know, a huge opportunity for increased sales.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

There may be a period of time of sort of marginal increase in testing, just to verify what you've got in place, but we're already well positioned here with our existing technologies.

Damian Karas
Damian Karas
Analyst at UBS

Understood. Thank you very much. I'll pass it along.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our last question from Brad Hewitt with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Bradford Hewitt
Bradford Hewitt
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

Jennifer Honeycutt
Jennifer Honeycutt
CEO at Veralto

Morning, Brad.

Bradford Hewitt
Bradford Hewitt
Analyst at Wolfe Research

As we think about the M&A pipeline more broadly, how should we think about the distribution of the funnel as it relates to the time required to get to 10%, 10% ROIC? Would you expect the majority of targets are kind of more in the four-to-five-year timeframe to get to that 10% ROIC rather than the six years for TraceGains?

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Yeah, it's a pretty broad range, right? As we kind of talked earlier, the pipelines are pretty full on both sides, the Water Quality and PQI, but it's really a mosaic of opportunities as you're gonna think about, you know, Brad, some of our technology investments, which are gonna be on the longer side, and at the same time, a bunch of bolt-ons and the larger transactions as well. So bolt-ons should be on the quicker, on the closer side. It's a pretty broad range. I wouldn't say, it's skewed one way or the other.

Bradford Hewitt
Bradford Hewitt
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Okay, that's helpful. And then curious how important entry multiples are in your decision-making process for M&A, and how do you think about the triangulation between entry multiples and what that implies for business quality versus the path to 10% ROIC?

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Look, it's really about value creation, Brad. You know, it's the input, as you said, the entry multiple, and what we can, you know, what we can do with the business, how we can fuel the growth or drive the margin expansion through the application of VES. So it's a combination of all those things. I would say our focus is ultimately doing transactions, adding things to our portfolio, which drive the long-term value creation. So, that everything kind of starts from that.

Bradford Hewitt
Bradford Hewitt
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Great. Thanks, Sameer.

Sameer Ralhan
Sameer Ralhan
CFO at Veralto

Thanks, Brad.

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor
VP of Investor Relations at Veralto

Thanks, Brad, and thanks, everybody, for joining the call. This is Ryan Taylor. We are at the hour time, so we're gonna conclude the call for this time. I'll be available for any follow-ups. Please reach out to me if you have any further questions. We really appreciate the engagement and support and joining our call today, and we'll talk to you next time.

Operator

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