First Hawaiian Q3 2024 Earnings Results & Report

First Hawaiian EPS Results

• Actual EPS: N/A
• Consensus EPS: $0.44
• Beat/Miss: N/A
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A
• EPS Beat Rate: 8 of last 8 quarters

First Hawaiian Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: N/A
• Expected Revenue: $204.83 million
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First Hawaiian (NASDAQ:FHB) is a bank holding company headquartered in Honolulu, Hawaii, and the parent company of First Hawaiian Bank. Founded in 1858, First Hawaiian Bank is one of the oldest financial institutions in Hawaii and provides banking services to consumers, businesses, and government and institutional customers.

First Hawaiian Bank offers a range of financial products and services, including checking and savings accounts, certificates of deposit, residential and commercial real estate loans, consumer lending, credit cards, treasury management, online and mobile banking, and wealth management services. The bank also provides financing and deposit services for small businesses, corporations, and public-sector organizations.

Through its branch and banking networks, First Hawaiian primarily serves customers in Hawaii, as well as select Pacific markets including Guam and Saipan. Its long operating history and regional focus have made it a significant provider of financial services across the Hawaiian and Pacific island communities.

First Hawaiian Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Positive Sentiment: First Hawaiian said its third-quarter momentum continued, with net interest income up, margin expansion of three basis points, and deposit costs nearly flat as funding trends stabilized.
• Neutral Sentiment: The bank’s loan balance declined due to unexpected payoffs, but management said the core pipeline remains strong and expects full-year loan growth to be relatively flat rather than meaningfully negative.
• Positive Sentiment: Credit quality remained solid, with management saying it sees no broad weakness in consumer or commercial portfolios and that recently downgraded loans are well collateralized with limited loss potential.
• Positive Sentiment: Capital and liquidity remain strong, and the company said it plans to resume share repurchases in the fourth quarter as capital levels continue to grow.
• Neutral Sentiment: Management expects modest NIM pressure in Q4 as deposit and asset repricing dynamics play out, while also noting that expense growth should be more normalized going forward after recent investments.

Presentation

[Operator]

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to First Hawaiian, Inc.'s third quarter twenty twenty-four earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. To remove yourself from the queue, you may press star one one again. I would now like to hand the call over to Investor Relations Manager, Kevin Haseyama. Please go ahead.

[Kevin Haseyama, Investor Relations Manager at First Hawaiian Bank]

Thank you, Latif, and thank you everyone for joining us as we review our financial results for the third quarter of twenty twenty-four. With me today are Bob Harrison, Chairman, President, and CEO, Jamie Moses, Chief Financial Officer, and Lea Nakamura, Chief Risk Officer. We've prepared a slide presentation that we will refer to in our remarks today. The presentation is available for downloading and viewing on our website at fhb.com in the Investor Relations section. During today's call, we'll be making forward-looking statements, so please refer to slide one for our safe harbor statement. We may also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. The appendix to this presentation contains reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measurements to the most directly comparable GAAP measurements. And now I'll turn the call over to Bob.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Thank you, Kevin. I'll start by giving a quick overview of the local economy. The overall Hawaii economy continues to be resilient. While Maui continues its recovery from the wildfires, the rest of the state has seen relatively stable tourism numbers and a low unemployment rate. The statewide seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for September was 2.9%, compared to the national rate of 4.1%. Through August, total visitor arrivals were down 2.2%, and spending was down 2.3% compared to 2023 levels for the same period. Housing market remains stable. In September, the median sales price for a single-family home on Oahu was $1.1 million, 6% higher than last September.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

The median sales price for condos on Oahu was $518,000, 2.8% below the previous year. Turning to slide two, I'll give an overview of our third quarter results. We're really pleased that the momentum we saw building in the second quarter carried over to the third quarter. Deposit balances flattened out, and deposit costs were up only one basis point from the second quarter. Unexpected loan payoffs were a headwind for loans in the third quarter, but credit quality remained excellent and assets repriced up, driving margin expansion. Non-interest income continued to be solid, and we continued to exercise good discipline on expenses. During the quarter, we released $3.8 million of tax reserves we recorded in connection with our 2016 separation from BNPP.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

This increased expenses for the third quarter by $3.8 million and reduced income tax expense by the same amount, resulting in no impact to net income. Turning to slide three, I'll go over some balance sheet highlights. The investment portfolio runoff is still being used to fund loan growth and reduce high-cost deposits. We continue to have ample liquidity. We had a $500 million FHLB advance mature in the third quarter and took out a new $250 million twelve-month advance at a lower rate. The balance sheet remains well capitalized, and our capital levels continue to grow due to strong earnings and a favorable AOCI change. Because of our strong and growing capital levels, we intend to resume share repurchases in the fourth quarter. Turning to slide four. Total loans were down $119 million compared to the prior quarter.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

And while construction loans grew as expected, and we had good activity in the C&I and CRE portfolios, unexpected payoffs in those portfolios were a headwind in the third quarter. The pipeline in the fourth quarter remains strong, but due to those payoffs in the third quarter, full-year loan growth will be relatively flat. Now I'll turn it over to Jamie.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Thanks, Bob, and good morning, everyone. On slide 5, we see that the positive deposit trends we saw in the second quarter continued in Q3. Total deposits were down $91 million, driven by a $112 million decline in total public deposits. Retail and commercial deposits stabilized and were slightly up compared to the prior quarter. Commercial deposits increased $112 million, and that was partially offset by a $91 million decline in retail deposits. The migration of non-interest-bearing deposits to higher-cost accounts continued to taper, and the ratio of non-interest-bearing deposits to total deposits remains a solid 34%, unchanged from the prior quarter. Deposit costs also continued to level off, and our total cost of deposits only increased one basis point from the prior quarter.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

We've been proactively managing deposit rates in anticipation of the Fed rate cut, and we saw our September cost of deposits decrease by one basis point to a hundred and seventy-one basis points from one hundred and seventy-two basis points in August. Turning to slide six, I'll go over net interest income and the margin. Net interest income was $156.7 million, $3.9 million higher than the prior quarter. The margin was up three basis points, primarily due to the asset repricing dynamics that we've detailed on prior calls and stable deposit costs. Looking forward, we expect the NIM to decline modestly in the fourth quarter and be around 2.9%.... On Slide seven, non-interest income and expenses are detailed.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

The income was $53.3 million, about $1.5 million more than the prior quarter, and the increase in non-interest income was due to higher volume-driven credit and debit card fees and higher BOLI income, and that was partially offset by lower other income. As a reminder, that other income line included about $2 million of insurance recoveries in the prior quarter. Non-interest expenses were $4.1 million higher than the prior quarter, and as Bob mentioned, we recognized the $3.8 million expense in the third quarter that was offset equally by a $3.8 million reduction in income taxes, having no impact on net income. Excluding that, expenses in the third quarter were essentially flat to the second quarter.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

We continue to expect full year expenses to be in the $500 million range. And now I'll turn it over to Lea.

[Lea Nakamura, Chief Risk Officer at First Hawaiian Bank]

Thank you, Jamie. Moving to Slide 8, the bank maintained its solid credit performance in the third quarter. Our credit risk metrics remained strong and stable and well within our expectations. We are not observing any broad signs of weakness across either the consumer or commercial books, and we are very comfortable with our loan loss coverage levels. Classified assets increased by $64.6 million, due mostly to a couple of downgrades. The recently downgraded loans are well collateralized, and we believe that the potential for loss is extremely limited. Moving to Slide 9, we show our third quarter allowance for credit losses broken out by disclosure segments. The asset ACL increased by $3.2 million to $163.7 million, with coverage increasing three basis points to 115 basis points of total loans and leases.

[Lea Nakamura, Chief Risk Officer at First Hawaiian Bank]

Turning to Slide 10, we provide an updated snapshot of our CRE exposure. CRE represents approximately 30% of total loans and leases. Credit quality in this portfolio remains strong, with LTVs manageable and criticized loans continuing to comprise only a small portion. Let me now turn the call back to Bob for any closing remarks.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Don't have any closing remarks. Thank you for your participation. We welcome any questions you have.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone. Again, that's star one one on your telephone to ask a question. You may press star one one to remove your line. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of David Feaster of Raymond James. Your question, please, David.

[David Feaster, Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Raymond James]

Hey, good morning, everybody.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Good morning.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Good morning, David.

[David Feaster, Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Raymond James]

I wanted to follow up on the growth side. I mean, appreciate the color on the growth outlook. And obviously, it sounds like, you know, this quarter was really impacted by payoffs and pay downs. I'm curious, how does the pipeline look in? Where are you seeing opportunities for growth? And, you know, just kind of maybe touch on the competitive landscape as well and where you're seeing new origination yields.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, great question, Dave. Thanks for that. You know, we had expected third quarter to be mostly flat, and then with the payoffs, it came in below that, obviously. We think the opportunities are really continue to be in the commercial real estate space, both here in Hawaii and on the, primarily the West Coast, and also in our dealer floor plan area. So some growth here in Hawaii. We're, you know, onboarding a new relationship now, actually, but there's also some opportunities we have on the West Coast. I think really those two to begin with are the top opportunities. You know, the consumer side is still going to be soft. There's not a lot of action in residential or home equity, so we're really looking to the C&I and commercial to see the growth.

[David Feaster, Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Raymond James]

Okay. And then just thinking about the earning asset, you know, repricing and remixing side. I'm curious, how do you... Like, could you just touch on kind of the securities cash flows, the roll-off rates that are coming there, the loan cash flows and what you're seeing there, and just kind of how you think about where. Again, where are new loan yields? Where are you able to put new loan yields on, especially with, you know, this cut coming in?

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Right. Yeah, thanks, David. It's Jamie. So we continue to see, you know, about $400 million per quarter of fixed rate cash flows coming off the books. And so, you know, that repricing dynamic there, so, you know, that's coming off, let's say, you know, in the 4.5% range or so. New loans coming on, you know, with the rate cuts maybe in the 6.5% to 7% range, something like that. In total, I think that's probably the way to think about that in Q4. That dynamic itself is probably two to three basis points to the good for the NIM in Q4. So, you know, that's the dynamics there.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

You know, we think, when we really look at it, our guidance is based off of another rate cut in November, and then we, you know, we have the similar dynamics of that, you know, $6 billion of loans that, you know, reprice based off of that, and about $4.5 billion of deposits that'll reprice, off of any sort of rate cut news, as well. So, you know, we're getting to, like, maybe a two basis point decline in Q4 on the NIM.

[David Feaster, Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Raymond James]

Okay, perfect. And then, you know, maybe just touching on your ability, you know, exclusive of those index deposits, how are the conversations you're having with repricing deposits lower? What's kind of the new add-on rate for new deposit growth? And is there any other ways to maybe help accelerate the margin side? I mean, you know, with rates coming down, is there any change in the appetite for securities restructuring or anything like that?

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, maybe I'll start on that, Dave, and hand it over to Jamie. So, you know, on the way up, we were very clear with our deposit customers that we were going to give them the full benefit of rate increases, basically immediately. And that on the way down, you know, we'd adjust accordingly. And so those have been the conversations we've been having with them over the last couple years, and that's really borne out and, you know, really transparent with folks and walking them through that. So as far as onboarding new deposits, of course, we're always trying to onboard new relationships, which includes operating accounts and people's personal accounts. So there's an element of non-interest bearing in that, along with interest bearing. So but to further your question, maybe I'll turn it over to Jamie.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, I think, Bob summarized the deposit piece of that pretty well. You know, we, you know, those deposits are not specifically indexed, but that's the expectation of our customers. I think the teams have been really good, really proactive, talking to them, and you know, everybody seems to understand sort of what the deal is on those. And so I think that's been a good story for us for sure. And then in terms of securities restructure, you know, I mean, you know, we see others do that. We understand why they do it.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

From my perspective, I think the share buyback this quarter is probably, you know, sort of a better use of, I don't know, reduction in capital, if you want to think about a securities restructure that way. We think maybe that's a better way to return capital to the shareholders, at least this quarter, and you know, we'll continue to look at those things, but, you know, with the trajectory of continued declines in rates, you know, maybe we'd rather just have that accretion to tangible book value on the securities portfolio, rather than try to, you know, remix it or do something different on the asset liability side.

[David Feaster, Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Raymond James]

I think that makes a lot of sense. Thanks, everybody.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Liesch of Piper Sandler. Question please, Andrew.

[Andrew Liesch, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Hey, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Just a question on the provision in the quarter, and it looked like you built the reserve for the consumer and the home equity books. Just curious what might be behind that. It doesn't sound like there's anything concerning. So curious on the reserve build.

[Lea Nakamura, Chief Risk Officer at First Hawaiian Bank]

I don't think it was particularly about consumer. You know, FICO scores did go marginally lower, but, we actually have some pieces of the book that we're spending a little more time looking at, like environmental. But it wasn't particularly about any one particular part of the book, per se. We're not actually that concerned about our home equity position.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, it's to add to these comments. I think it's we're very well secured in those portfolios, so it's really not that. It's just as we do our modeling, we thought it was appropriate to tweak some of the coefficients as we looked at that, and, you know, that's how it ended up. You know, there is a primarily quantitative side, but there's also a qualitative side to the model.

[Andrew Liesch, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Got it. Helpful. And then, Jamie, the $500 million of expenses for the full year, I would assume that includes the $3.8 million tax reversal in this quarter. I guess then if you look at how, and you'll give more detailed guidance on the January call, but if you just look at the next rate of expense growth, given a lot of the investments that you've made lately, I mean, just what do you think a better or a natural expense growth rate is, with all these investments now?

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

You know, that's a good question, Andrew. And, you know, as you said-

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

We're in the budget process right now, Andrew, so.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

That's right. That's right.

[Andrew Liesch, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Okay.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

We're in the budget process. So, you know, we'll have a lot more guidance around that next year. But I think we've been pretty clear that, you know, the way that we've been thinking about it is we've made some strong investments. Those investments now are able to create efficiencies for us that weren't there before. And so that we think our sort of natural growth rate of expenses is much more in line with what you would consider a sort of normal banking industry growth rate. So, you know, we expect to be kind of in line with that on a go-forward basis in general.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

You know, and so that's pretty significantly lower than the 5.5-6% that we've seen over the past two, three years.

[Andrew Liesch, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Got it. Good to hear. Thanks for taking the questions. I will step back.

[Operator]

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Jared Shaw of Barclays. Your line is open, Jared.

[Jared Shaw, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Thanks. Good morning. Maybe just going back to the loan growth and the payoff activity you discussed this quarter. What's really driving that? Is that are you seeing other banks taking you know coming in and being aggressive for customers? What's sort of driving the elevated level of pay down, payoff activity, especially on the C&I side?

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Sure. Thanks, Jared. Good question. This is Bob, so what happened there is a couple of deals we were participating with others. We weren't the lead on in the floor plan area in the mainland, and you know, maybe our pricing was a little bit higher as a group than someone else that came in and, you know, replaced it, so it was really a more aggressive mainland lender, and this was a pretty broadly syndicated four or five bank deal, so we weren't the lead, but you know, that's what happens sometimes. We're big boys and girls, and you know, you just have to be competitive in the market, and this is a very high-quality names or names, plural, that you know, that's just the way it goes.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

So maybe in some subsegments of what we're doing, there's more competition, but nothing, nothing that doesn't make sense. It's just, you know, that's what happens some days.

[Jared Shaw, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Yep. Okay, got it. And then when you call out sort of the ability or the outlook for floor plan growth, I'm assuming that's sort of self-originated versus participation. And is that-

[Jared Shaw, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

That is-

[Jared Shaw, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Is that just getting bigger with existing customers, or are you actively out trying to take market share? Are you expanding sort of the geographic footprint of that business?

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Not expanding the geographic footprint, but new customers as well. You know, some new customers and some additional lines of existing customers.

[Jared Shaw, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Okay.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

So a mix of both. I'm not trying to evade the question, but it is truly a mix of both.

[Jared Shaw, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Got it. Got it. Okay, and then in terms of the buyback, I guess how aggressive should we think you are with, you know, whittling away at that existing authorization? And, should we be looking at a near-term, you know, CET1 target, or what's gonna be the driving factor on the pace of the buyback?

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

We have the authorization for the $40 million, as we've mentioned earlier in the year, and we expect that's where we'll stay.

[Jared Shaw, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Okay, so once that's done, then not looking to reload it?

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

For 2024. You know, we tend to look at it what we-

[Jared Shaw, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Oh, okay.

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

So yeah, no, that's. We do it annually, so that's our annual outlook. And, you know, that's part of our planning process for twenty twenty-five, is we certainly look at capital levels. You know, in the past, we've talked about a minimum of 12% CET1, and clearly, we're above that. So that's part of the discussion we're having internally and we'll have with the board and, you know, the various regulators.

[Jared Shaw, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Got it. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kelly Motta of KBW. Please go ahead, Kelly.

[Kelly Motta, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at KBW]

Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question. You know, your expenses were really well controlled, and I appreciate the full year color. I know it might be a bit early with where you are in the budgeting process, but you know, given the investments you've made with like the core conversion and what you're doing on the ground, how should we be thinking about the natural growth rate of expenses from here and you know, thoughts around positive operating leverage ahead with the current outlook for rates?

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, thanks for the question, Kelly. Maybe I'll start and pass it over to Jamie. So, you know, we're deep into that. There's always... In our budgeting process, there's always a lot of good investment opportunities, you know, internally that we look at, and we have to just see how those stack up relative to where we want to be. And we think that to Jamie's earlier comments, I'll let him speak for himself in a second here, is we just want to be disciplined as we go forward now that we've made those significant investments.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, thanks, Bob. Yeah, Kelly, I think, you know, from an expense perspective, you know, I think that our growth targets around expenses are going to be much lower than they have been over the past, you know, few years, given the dynamics that Bob talked about. And also when we consider the positive operating leverage scenario, right, that you just brought up. And so, the challenge for a spread-based bank is that when you expect rates to go down, you know, there's probably an expectation that net interest income is going to go down as well, which creates challenges around positive operating leverage, as you know, and is part of the reason for the question, I'm sure.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

You know, and so we're going to do everything that we can to try to minimize that drop in margin. We're going to try to grow loans prudently, manage our balance sheet as well as possible, and be very proactive on the funding side as well, and try to extend our advantages that we have in our markets to be able to do that, and to try to create that positive operating leverage that you're talking about. So, you know, in a down rate environment, tough in general, probably, to do that. But, you know, I think we're in a good position to be able to take advantage of our market and where we're at.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

And so, you know, I think it's. I think we're well positioned to perform pretty well next year.

[Kelly Motta, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at KBW]

Thank you, Jamie. That's really helpful. And I believe in your prepared remarks, you talked about some exception pricing where you were, you know, maybe pretty generous on the way up or more generous on the way up with offering rate, and conversely, you have some pretty ample room to cut with rate cuts. I-

[Kelly Motta, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at KBW]

... I apologize, I may have missed it, but have you quantified at all the magnitude of that piece of the deposit portfolio?

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, we have. That's about $4.5 billion of deposits that is not directly tied to an index, but that we control the pricing on. With the expectation that we'll be able to drive that pricing down along with the Fed rate cuts. You know, that we price those customers and those deposits up on the way up, and we feel pretty strongly that we'll be able to price those down, you know, when rates go down as well.

[Kelly Motta, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at KBW]

Got it. Maybe a final one for me. The fee income came in really strong this quarter. It looks like there was particularly strong uptick in credit and debit card fees, as well as a bit of an increase in BOLI. So I'm hoping you could give some color around the drivers of that, and if there was any BOLI death benefits in there. It looks like that number has jumped around a little.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, no death benefits in the quarter. That's sort of market driven. Generally speaking, when rates drop, we'll kind of get a pop in that line. So in the fourth quarter, depending on what happens, you know, we're sort of expecting that to be kind of flat. And so, you know, with that, I think we're probably $50-plus million in the fourth quarter in fee income, you know, somewhere in that $50-$51 million, probably. You know, we're seeing some good growth in particular in the card portfolios that you noted. And so, you know, we've seen some strength there, and we probably continue to expect that to happen.

[Kelly Motta, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at KBW]

Great. Nice quarter, guys. I'll step back.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Elian of JPMorgan. Please go ahead, Anthony.

[Anthony Elian, Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan]

Hi, everyone. Just a few follow-up questions from me. Back to the payoffs, do you have in dollars how much the payoffs weighed on your loan growth in the third quarter, in dollars?

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Don't have that on the spot. I don't have that. Do you have that, Jamie?

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Uh-

[Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO at First Hawaiian Bank]

We can get it to you.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, we can get it to you. It's probably in the neighborhood of $90-$95 million, something like that, is probably the unexpected payoff number that we saw.

[Anthony Elian, Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan]

Okay, got it. And then my follow-up, the slide six, you call out the non-interest-bearing remaining stable from the prior quarter. Is this the, do you think the bottom for non-interest-bearing deposits as a percentage of total, or do you think there could be some continued declines from here in the percentage? Thank you.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, thanks. So the percentage has been pretty stable now, for the last-

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Couple quarters.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, last couple quarters, last six months or so. So good trends there. You know, we're hopeful that that's the case. And, you know, we hope that as we move forward, you know, we're able to take market share in those areas. And of course, like, part of deposit gathering is in that non-interest-bearing space. So we're hoping that we can sort of stem that number and keep that in that 34% range. That's about where we were, I think, ahead of the-

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Twenty nineteen.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah, in 2019, ahead of the pandemic. So, seems like a decent spot to think about it that way. So yeah, I think that's, you know, that's our outlook. We don't know for sure, but the trending has been good in that direction.

[Anthony Elian, Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Again, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone. Again, that's star one one to ask a question. Our next question comes from the line of Timur Braziler of Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead, Timur.

[Timur Braziler, Analyst at Wells Fargo Securities]

Hi, good morning, everyone.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Good morning.

[Timur Braziler, Analyst at Wells Fargo Securities]

Just maybe, sorry to keep following up on this, but just the expectation for loan growth versus payoff. I guess the fixed rate loan kind of repricing schedule, how much could that be impacted by payoff cadence? Are those kind of mutually exclusive, or are you expecting that everything that rolls off is brought back on at that incremental 200-250 basis points of spread, or is there some risk to that dynamic if payoffs stay elevated?

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah. Thanks, Timur. So that $400 million cash flow forecasted would be sort of independent of these, I'll call them, unexpected payoffs that we see. So there would be risk to that number if there were more unexpected large payoffs, you know, that happened in the fourth quarter. Of course, they're unexpected for a reason, and so we, you know, aren't forecasting that. But that full cash flow repricing that we talked about, $400 million in the quarter, we would expect that to. You know, if you assume we're flat in loans for the quarter, we would expect that to be repriced up to that 250 basis point level or so.

[Timur Braziler, Analyst at Wells Fargo Securities]

Got it. And then the FHLB advance that was rolled into that $250 million, what was the rate on that?

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

4.14, I think, was the exact rate on that. So we, you know, there's you know, when we think about, you know, that maturing advance, you know, we're thinking about asset liability management, as well as sort of, you know, income dynamics and what other opportunities there are, in the market for funding, as well as our liquidity metrics. And so, of course, we have a little bit more of term associated with the, that FHLB borrowing, and so that, you know, helps our liquidity metrics, as well.

[Timur Braziler, Analyst at Wells Fargo Securities]

Last one on the margin for me. Just looking at securities yields linked quarter, it looked like those stepped down a decent amount in 3Q. I'm just wondering what the dynamic is there, and how we should think about the roll-off, roll-on of the cash flows going forward.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

Yeah. So, in the securities portfolio, we do have a small amount of floating rate loans there. So maybe that's like $600 million-$700 million or so. And so when rates drop, you'll see a small dynamic in there as well. So that's that, you know, 3-4 basis point drop in the quarter that you see. Generally speaking, we are not reinvesting in the portfolio at this time. So, the... If rates continue to go down, you're likely to see the rate in that securities portfolio to go down as well.

[James M. Moses, CFO at First Hawaiian Bank]

However, right, when those securities come off in that 1.75-2% range every quarter, we don't have to fund those with, you know, 4-4.5% FHLB fundings, for example. So, so there's a, you know, there's a positive income dynamic associated with just running off that portfolio.

[Timur Braziler, Analyst at Wells Fargo Securities]

Great, and then just last question for me, maybe for Lea. Just, it looks like classified assets were a little bit higher, 2x, versus second quarter. Just any kind of color on what drove the increase in classified assets?

[Lea Nakamura, Chief Risk Officer at First Hawaiian Bank]

So it was primarily in multifamily, and it was really just a handful of performing loans. These are actually well collateralized, but you know, in this rate environment, they don't really have the level of cash flows that we would prefer to see, but we don't actually believe that these loans are indicative of any kind of trend in the portfolio, and the loans are performing.

[Timur Braziler, Analyst at Wells Fargo Securities]

Great. Thank you for the questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back to Kevin, sir.

[Kevin Haseyama, Investor Relations Manager at First Hawaiian Bank]

We appreciate your interest in First Hawaiian, and please feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions. Thanks again for joining us, and have a good weekend.

[Operator]

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Kevin Haseyama, Investor Relations Manager
• Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO
• James M. Moses, CFO
• Lea Nakamura, Chief Risk Officer

Analysts

• David Feaster, Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Raymond James
• Andrew Liesch, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Piper Sandler
• Jared Shaw, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays
• Kelly Motta, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at KBW
• Anthony Elian, Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan
• Timur Braziler, Analyst at Wells Fargo Securities