Bank of Hawaii Q3 2024 Earnings Report

Bank of Hawaii EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.93
• Consensus EPS: $0.82
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.11
• One Year Ago EPS: $1.17

Bank of Hawaii Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $265.76 million
• Expected Revenue: $160.29 million
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$105.47 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Bank of Hawaii Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q3 2024
• Date: 10/28/2024
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Monday, October 28, 2024
• Conference Call Time: 2:00PM ET

Bank of Hawaii (NYSE:BOH) is a regional financial services company headquartered in Honolulu, Hawaii. Through its principal subsidiary, Bank of Hawaii, the company provides banking and financial services to consumers, businesses, government entities and institutional clients.

The bank offers consumer deposit accounts, residential and consumer lending, credit cards and online and mobile banking. Its business banking services include commercial lending, cash management, treasury services, commercial deposits and international banking. Bank of Hawaii also provides mortgage banking, wealth management, trust and investment services, and private banking.

Founded in 1897, Bank of Hawaii has a long history of serving the Pacific region. Its primary market is Hawaii, and it also serves customers in Guam and other Pacific island communities. The company operates through branches, offices and digital channels designed to support individuals, businesses and organizations throughout its service area.

Bank of Hawaii Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Strong Q3 results: net income of $40.4 million and EPS of $0.93 (up $6.3 million and $0.12 sequentially), with net interest income up $2.8 million and net interest margin expanding by 3 bps.
• Balance sheet growth: spot loans and deposits increased, with deposits up 2.8% sequentially, maintaining the top market share in Hawaii while funding costs remain well below peer medians.
• Pristine credit quality: annualized net charge-offs at 11 bps, nonperforming assets at 14 bps, allowance for credit losses at 1.06% of loans, and a loan portfolio largely secured by real estate (avg. LTV 48%, FICO 800).
• Active asset/liability management: reduced pay-fixed swaps by $200 million, added $800 million of lower‐rate swaps, purchased $236 million of floating-rate securities, cutting fixed‐rate asset exposure from 73% to 53%.
• Disciplined expenses and fee growth: noninterest income rose $3 million to $45.1 million, core expenses up modestly with 2024 growth guided at 1–1.5%, and the Board declared a $0.70 per share Q4 dividend.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Bank of Hawaii Corporation Q3 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Chang Park, Senior Vice President and Investor Relations Director. Please go ahead.

[Chang Park, Senior VP and Director of Investor Relations at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Good morning, and good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today for our Q3 twenty twenty-four earnings conference call. Joining me today is our Chairman and CEO, Peter Ho, President and Chief Banking Officer, Jim Polk, CFO, Dean Shigemura, Chief Risk Officer, Brad Shearison, and our Deputy CFO, Brad Satenberg. Before we get started, let me remind you that today's conference call will contain some forward-looking statements, and while we believe our assumptions are reasonable, there are a variety of reasons that the actual results may differ materially from those projected. During the call this morning, we'll be referencing a slide presentation as well as the earnings release. Both of these are available on our website, boh.com, under the Investor Relations link. And now, I'd like to turn the call over to Peter.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Thanks, Chang, and good morning or good afternoon, everyone. Bank of Hawaii is pleased to report another solid performance in the Q3 of twenty twenty-four. Net income and diluted earnings per share increased notably on a linked basis. Net interest income and NIM expanded for the second straight quarter. Fee income grew and operating expenses fell on a linked basis. Loans and deposits grew in the quarter, capital levels improved, and credit quality remains pristine. As is our custom, I will spend a little time highlighting market conditions in the islands. I'll then ask Brad to provide a few comments on credit quality, and Dean will provide further detail on our financials. The balance sheet performed well in the quarter, with higher spot loan and deposit balances and stable average balances. Capital levels improved across all measures on top of the meaningful step-up in Q2.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Deposits continued to perform well, up 2.8% on a linked spot basis and up modestly on an average linked basis. We are pleased to again hold the top deposit market share position in Hawaii for 2024, as measured by the FDIC Annual Summary of Deposits. Both cost of interest-bearing and cost of total deposits continued to track well, well below peer medians. Unemployment in Hawaii continues to track at 2.9%, well below the national average. Visitor arrivals continue to be impacted by lower Maui arrivals, but remain elevated from pre-pandemic levels. Same could be said for RevPAR. Oahu residential real estate continues to trend stable, with median sales prices up modestly for both single-family and condominiums on a year-to-date basis. Median days on market remain below 30 days.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Now, let me turn the call over to Brad to discuss a few trends on credit. Brad?

[Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Thanks, Peter. As always, I'll start off with our lending philosophy. We focus on our core markets in Hawaii and the Western Pacific. This allows us to leverage our local expertise to make sound credit decisions. Additionally, we know our clients well. The majority of our loan book is the long-standing relationships, where about 60% of our clients on both the commercial and consumer side have been with us for over 10 years. This combination has greatly contributed to our historically strong credit performance and has resulted in a loan portfolio that is 93% Hawaii, 4% Western Pacific, and just 3% mainland, where we support our clients that are doing business in both Hawaii and on the mainland. As I walk through our current state, you'll notice there is little change quarter-over-quarter.

[Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

The lending philosophy I just mentioned is reflected in our loan growth, which has been steady and organic. From 2019 through 2023, we averaged about 6.7% loan growth per annum. This year, however, loan growth has slowed due to suppressed demand from the high-rate environment. On the consumer side, which represents 57% of our total loans, or $8 billion, we are predominantly lending on a secured basis against real estate. 85% of our portfolio is comprised of residential mortgage or home equity, with a weighted average LTV of just 48% and a combined weighted average FICO score of 800. The remaining 15% of the portfolio is a combination of auto and personal loans, where our average FICO scores are 733 and 759, respectively.

[Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Moving on to commercial, our portfolio size is $5.9 billion, or 43% of our total loan book. The largest share of commercial is commercial real estate, with $3.9 billion in assets, which equates to 28% of total loans. This book is well diversified across industries and carries a weighted average LTV of only 56%. Given that almost 80% of the bank's loan portfolio is real estate secured, let's look at the dynamics of the Hawaii real estate market. The real estate market in Oahu is very stable. Vacancy rates fluctuate little due to the strong Hawaiian economy and constrained supply. Industrial vacancy has continued to hover around its historic low, currently just 1.05% versus its 10-year average of 1.75%.

[Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

At 13.57%, office vacancy is just over 1% higher than its ten-year average. Office conversions, a trend towards return to office and continuing office space reduction, will likely keep vacancy rates low. Retail vacancy remains on par with historical averages. The ongoing high demand for housing is driving the multifamily vacancy rates down to now almost just 4%. And inventory remains constrained across the board, with almost no growth over the past ten years, and office space coming down 10% over that same time period. Our CRE is well diversified among property types, with no sector being greater than 7% of total loans. Our conservative underwriting has been applied consistently, with all weighted average LTVs between 50% and 60%, and individual loan exposure is managed carefully with low average loan sizes. Turning to our scheduled maturities, we have no maturity wall.

[Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Only 2.7% of loans are due to mature in Q4, 14% next year, and more than half of our loans mature in 2030 or later. Looking at the distribution of LTVs, the tail risk in our CRE portfolio for any loans with greater than 80% LTV totals $84 million, or 2.2%. And if we move that metric up to 85%, our CRE portfolio has less than $4 million of exposure. Looking at our credit metrics overall this past quarter compared to linked quarter, metrics remained quite stable and asset quality remained strong. Net charge-offs remained low at $3.8 million, or 11 basis points annualized, up 1 basis point from Q2. Non-performing assets have remained stable, increasing slightly to 14 basis points.

[Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Delinquencies have also been stable, just 2 basis points higher than last quarter at 31 basis points overall. Criticized assets grew slightly as of quarter end, reaching 2.42%. However, one loan repaid in full subsequent to quarter end. Adjusting for that, the quarter end criticized rate would have actually decreased slightly to 2.19%. As an update on the allowance for credit losses on loans and leases, the ACL ended the quarter at $147.3 million, down about $200,000 to the linked period and up $2.1 million year over year. The ratio of our ACL to outstandings was 1.06%, down 1 basis point from prior quarter and up 2 basis points year over year. I will now turn this over to Dean for an update on our financials.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Thank you, Brad. In the Q3, our net interest income increased by $2.8 million, and the net interest margin increased by three basis points, continuing the trend from the Q2 Linked quarter, the $2.8 million increase in net interest income was driven by cash flow repricing, an increase in earning assets and balance sheet actions, including the reinvestment of securities portfolio runoff and repositioning our swap portfolio, partially offset by deposit mix shift. With regard to cash flow repricing, in the Q3, our earning assets generated $513 million of cash flows from maturities and prepayments.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Assuming that all of these cash flows from loans were reinvested into like products and cash flows from securities reinvested into cash, such reinvestment would have generated incremental net interest income of approximately $3.6 million in the quarter from higher reinvestment yields. At the same time, deposit mix shift has continued to slow, with average non-interest-bearing and low-yield interest-bearing deposit balances declining by $315 million linked quarter. This compares to a decline of $800 million in the same period of 2023. Assuming the majority of these balances shifted into higher-yielding interest-bearing deposits, such mix shift negatively impacted net interest income by $2.6 million in the Q3. We expect our net interest income to continue to improve from the gradual decrease in the Fed funds rate.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

The initial 50 basis points of Fed easing is expected to ultimately add $1.2 million to our quarterly net interest income. In particular, total earning assets that were immediately impacted by changes in the Fed funds rate was approximately $7.6 billion at quarter end, consisting of floating rate loans and investment securities, interest rate swaps, and Fed funds. The 50 basis point decrease in Fed funds will reduce quarterly income from these rate-sensitive earning assets by approximately $9.6 million. At the same time, total rate-sensitive deposits that were also immediately impacted by the change in the Fed funds rate were $9.7 billion at quarter end, which excludes non-interest-bearing demand and deposit accounts yielding interest rates of 10 basis points or less.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

The fifty basis point decrease in the Fed funds rate will immediately increase quarterly net interest income by approximately $7.1 million, with an expected long-term positive quarterly impact of approximately $10.8 million. The difference between the immediate and long-term impact is due to time deposits repricing upon maturity compared to savings and interest-bearing demand accounts, which can be repriced immediately. Thus, there will be an initial short-term negative impact to NII, then turn positive one to two quarters out as time deposits reprice lower. We are currently well positioned to reprice our time deposits and improve our margins, as 70% of total time deposits are scheduled to mature in the next six months, and 88% of total time deposits are scheduled to mature in the next twelve months.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

In the Q3, we took actions to adjust our balance sheet in response to changes in interest rates. This includes repositioning our swap portfolio by terminating $700 million notional shorter maturity swaps with relatively higher fixed rates, and executing $500 million notional of spot-starting swaps at lower rates, as well as executing $300 million of forward-starting swaps, also at lower rates. The repositioning reduced our active pay-fixed, receive-floating interest rate swaps by $200 million to $2.8 billion notional, and reduced the average fixed rate from 4.52% to 4.29%. The $300 million of forward-starting pay-fixed receive-floating interest rate swaps have an average fixed rate of 3.03% and will become active in 2025 and 2026.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

In addition, we purchased $236 million of floating rate securities that have a positive 78 basis point spread to Fed funds to improve our net interest income and net interest margin. Our fixed rate asset exposure was 53% at the end of the quarter, down from 73% at the end of 2022. We expect to continue to actively manage our interest rate swaps and securities portfolios to take advantage of opportunities in this changing rate environment. Noninterest income totaled $45.1 million in the Q3, up $3 million from the Q2, as customer derivative sales, merchant, mortgage, and loan transaction revenue and volumes improved. In the Q4, we expect to recognize $2.3 million of a one-time charge related to the Visa Class B conversion ratio change.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Adjusted for this item, we expect core non-interest income to be in the range of $44 million-$45 million in the Q4, as improved trends experienced in the Q3 continue in the Q4. Reported and core expenses were $107.1 million in the Q3. This compares to core expenses of $105.3 million in the Q2, which excludes a $2.6 million one-time industry-wide FDIC special assessment, $800,000 of severance expenses, and $600,000 of other core expenses that are not expected to recur. Thus, the core expenses were up a modest $1.8 million linked quarter, primarily due to increases in salaries and benefits, as we continue to manage our expenses in a disciplined manner.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

We continue to evaluate expense levels and expect normalized core expenses in 2024 to increase 1%-1.5% from 2023 normalized expenses of $419 million. To summarize the remainder of our financial performance, in the Q3, net income was $40.4 million, and earnings per common share was $0.93, an increase of $6.3 million and $0.12 per share, respectively. Our return on common equity was 11.5%. We recorded a provision for credit losses of $3 million this quarter. The effective tax rate in the Q3 was 23.33%, and the tax rate for the full year of 2024 is expected to be 24.25%. We continued to grow our capital and maintain healthy excesses above regulatory minimum well-capitalized requirements.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Our Tier 1 capital ratio increased to 14.05%, and total capital ratio increased to 15.11%. Our accumulated other comprehensive loss continues to decrease and was $335 million in the Q3, down $39 million linked quarter and down $107 million from the same period last year. The decrease from the prior periods was primarily due to an increase in the fair value of our AFS investment securities, caused by declining long-term interest rates, as well as continued portfolio runoff. Our risk-weighted assets to total assets ratio continued to be well below peer median, reflecting the low-risk nature of our asset mix. During the Q3, we paid out $28 million to common shareholders in dividends and $3.4 million in preferred stock dividends.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Note that the dividends on the Series B Preferred Stock in the Q3 was a partial quarter's distribution. In the Q4, the full dividend on the Series B will be $3.3 million, or $5.3 million total for both the Series A and B. We did not repurchase shares of common stock during the quarter under our share repurchase program. Finally, our board declared a dividend of $0.70 per common share for the Q4 of 2024. I'll turn the call back over to Peter.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Thanks, Dean. This concludes our prepared remarks. Now we'd be happy to entertain your questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Jeff Rulis with D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

[Jeff Rulis, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Thanks. Good morning.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Good morning, Jeff.

[Jeff Rulis, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Dean, maybe a couple questions on the margin. One, were there any interest recoveries or one-timers in the margin this quarter? And then do you have the September average?

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

In the quarter, there was maybe a small amount of actually reversals, but it was like about a hundred thousand, so nothing material. In terms of the margin, in September, it was I believe two seventeen.

[Jeff Rulis, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Okay, got it. And just for summarizing, I appreciate that I got a lot of detail on the puts and takes of the rate cut impact. Sounded like, you know, a near-term headwind, a positive thereafter. You know, your core is climbing higher. Just the expectations can you negate that negative in the short term, or is it a flattish outlook on the margin in the next couple quarters?

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yes. We believe that the NII and margin will gently increase quarter-over-quarter. And as we laid out in our presentation, you know, we're gonna continue to see the asset repricing from the cash flows offset, you know, partially by some continued remix on the deposit side. And we're continuing to actively manage our balance sheet, which includes, you know, buying or reinvesting some of our cash flows into securities, as well as adjusting the interest rate swaps according to, you know, how rates trend. And then with regard to the Fed funds rate cut, you know, over the longer term, we do think it'll be accretive, as laid out in the presentation as well.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Initially, it'll have a slight negative, but when you mix all that together, that's how we get to a gently rising NII and margin.

[Jeff Rulis, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Great. Thanks, Dean. And maybe one last one. On Brad, you know, you talked... I appreciate the philosophy and very low comparative NPAs. I just wanna continue to track the increase in nonaccruals. Is there a sector that that came from, or was it pretty granular and widespread?

[Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

No, so there wasn't really a sector that it came from, in particular. I would say actually if the NPAs, the rise while not from a given sector, I would say that the little bit of an increase was caused from some non-core lending activities that were done historically, quite a while back, but absolutely, there's nothing systemic or broad-based in the portfolio. As I may have said before, you know, if I were really pressed on where there would be any weakness in the portfolio at all, it would be just a small sub, a sub-segment of a sector, and that'd be the lodging area, so if we think about our lodging, what lodging is actually more dependent upon international visitors to Hawaii.

[Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

And that's where, if anything, we'd see a little bit of weakness in that area. But it. We've we have really strong sponsors that support those properties, and we feel really good about how we're positioned, as well as the fact that the LTV of that portfolio is about 60%. So really just not seeing anything in the portfolio of any real concern. And as you know, I think I'd mentioned last quarter, that we're always working with our borrowers, and we do expect to see some resolutions through either refinancing payoffs or upgrades. And as mentioned, this payoff came in a little bit subsequent to quarter end. So that did bring our criticized back down to 2.19%. But so nothing systemic in the portfolio.

[Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

I would say that the rationale or the reason that the criticized went up to 2.42% to start with was due to a single credit in the multifamily space. That credit, a little bit of deterioration in their operating results. But what I would say about that is that also has strong sponsorship and, you know, our criticized for multifamily is 5.8% overall, so feel really good about that portfolio, too.

[Jeff Rulis, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Okay. Thanks, Brad. Pretty consistent with the prior quarter. Appreciate it. I'll step back.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jared Shaw with Barclays. Your line is now open.

[Jared Shaw, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Hi, good morning. Good afternoon. Maybe just looking at the delta between end-of-period deposits and average, if you could just go back to, you know, maybe reminding us if there's any additional seasonality this quarter, or should we be expecting that to be trending towards average here?

[James Polk, President and Chief Banking Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah. Hi, this is, this is Jim. I'll take that one. You know, as we got to the end of the quarter, we saw some, what I'd characterize as unexpected large public deposits and maybe some seasonal build on both the commercial and the public side. We also had some really nice business that we won on the commercial that, you know, helped boost balances. As we get into the Q4, though, I think we'll see some moderation in that, probably a bit back towards the average that we saw in Q3 as some of the temporary deposits run off, and actually, as some of the new business migrates from, you know, the commercial side of the business to the, asset management side of the house.

[Jared Shaw, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Okay. And then in terms of the looking at DDAs, is this sort of a good level, you think, to start building from on those sort of core DDAs? Have we seen the end of diminishment? And maybe, you know, an update of how early look in the Q4 balances are on there.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah, Jared, this is Peter. I'm not sure we're ready to declare the end of that trend. The negative comp, though, has definitely shrunk as I think Dean pointed out, to three fifteen. What we actually measure is noninterest-bearing, as well as what we would classify as low-yield savings or other types of deposits, and that level's come down dramatically from five quarters ago, continues to do so. I think we may have another couple of quarters, though, of like, negative comps in front of us, my guess.

[Jared Shaw, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Okay, thanks. And then just finally, I guess going back to the question Jeff just asked on lodging. What's the total dollar exposure to that subset of lodging, you know, that maybe is more tied to the international visitor?

[Jeff Rulis, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

That's a good question. I wouldn't. I can't really tie a sub-segment to those dependent on it. There are certain hotels, obviously, that would be more catering to international visitors, but all hotels, of course, have some sort of mix to that segment. So it's really hard to really isolate. But what I would say, it's a fraction of the $700 million that we have in lodging that would really relate to international hotels focused on international visitors.

[Jeff Rulis, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Yeah, and by the way, that the international segment is actually the best performing segment this year, so Japan visitor arrivals are up significantly, 38% plus, spending up 28%. Obviously, that's coming off of pretty low base, but I think the improving foreign exchange relationship between the dollar/yen is having a positive impact there.

[Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

We still don't see a huge amount of criticized credits in that arena. It's about 15% of our lodging overall is criticized, and we have a 62% weighted average LTV on those.

[Jared Shaw, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Great. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Liesch with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

[Andrew Liesch, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just a question on the loan growth here. Just curious if there's anything specific you can point to that drove the commercial real estate gains this quarter.

[James Polk, President and Chief Banking Officer at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

This is Jim. I'll take it. No, it was, it was really a nice mix. So we've seen our pipelines build, both pipelines and production build nicely through Q3, and it was a nice mix of commercial mortgage, a little bit of construction on it. But overall, I think pipelines are just feeling better at this point in time.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah, I'd just chime in, Andrew, that I think. Yeah. Our experience is usually that commercial lending activity leads out of a market or into an upcycle. We're starting to see that commercial activity on a spot basis was up 2% in the quarter. Consumer lagging a bit there. And so we would continue to anticipate build in the commercial segment. And I think at some point, consumer is gonna begin to tail up, which will give us, hopefully, a better overall loan growth aggregate number.

[Andrew Liesch, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Got it. Do you think, any changes in rates, people have come off the sidelines? Have you heard of, projects being delayed in anticipation of that?

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

The commercial side seems to be. I won't say off to the races, but people are pretty constructive. And on the consumer side, I think people are waiting for rates to finally come down, and frankly, have been head faked a couple of times in the past year. So we're still waiting to see that wave build.

[Andrew Liesch, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Got it. Got it. Great. All my other questions have been asked and answered. I'll step back. Thank you.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yep, take care.

[Operator]

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question at this time, please press star one one on your touch-tone telephone. Our next question comes from the line of Kelly Motta with KBW. Your line is now open.

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

Hi, thanks for the question. I would like to circle back to expenses. I appreciate. I think you said 1.5%-2% growth. You had a couple of, you know, separation expenses and FDIC charges in there. Is there any way you could clarify what you're looking for for 4Q? Is it about $109 million? Just with all the one-timers, I'm just trying to understand what exactly that implies here.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah, I guided actually to 1% to 1.5% for the full year, so it's actually slightly lower than what I had mentioned last quarter. But yeah, if you do the math, it does imply a higher end of about 109 in the Q4, which is very high. So there's likely to be on the lower end of that range of guidance. But there wasn't anything in the Q3. There were some pluses and minuses one-time items, but they all kind of netted out. So, you know, the guidance for the full year of 1% to 1.5% is good, a good number.

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

Okay, so one to one and a half relative to about four nine?

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

The four hundred and nineteen, yeah.

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

Okay.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

So, what's the 109 in the quarter?

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

One hundred and nine, it's more gonna be on the, like, closer to the one hundred and seven or less in the quarter.

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

Okay. So similar to what we saw in Q3?

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah.

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

Said another way?

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah.

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

Awesome. That's, that's helpful. And on the fee side, I appreciate you had given guidance. It was elevated in Q3. Was wondering how much of that is related to volatility with the Japanese currency and what a good run rate for that is?

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah, Kelly, it's Peter. That there's about $1 million in what I would call kind of one-time-ish extraneous opportunity, but the balance of that feels recurring. The foreign exchange revenue really isn't, you know, significantly playing into the deltas here at all. I think longer term, that's a good opportunity for us, but that's not really having an impact. It's really we're seeing just kind of across the board better fee performance. The commercial bank did have a good fee quarter for the Q3, and that's kind of playing into the $1 million extraordinary piece. But on balance, we would expect fee income to be somewhat elevated from historic levels moving forward.

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

Got it. That's helpful. And then, you know, I really appreciate all the color on the margin and the moving parts. Just a point of clarification on slide 29. I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, that short-term NII impact of $2.5 million, that's just from the, you know, immediate repricing of rate-sensitive, you know, assets and deposits. It doesn't include any of that impact of, you know, cash flows being reinvested at higher rates, which gets you to that gentle NII lift. Is that the right way to think about it?

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

That's correct. That page specifically is speaking to the impact of Fed funds alone to the variable assets-

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Right.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

and then longer term to the variable liabilities deposits.

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

Awesome. Maybe, maybe, just a couple more for me. The borrowings, you have other debt of $560 million. I think that's FHLB. Can you remind me what the term is on that and how you're thinking of that? Is that going to? Or thoughts on paying that down, or is that going to kind of remain here and support the size of the balance sheet, at least near term?

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah, that. It's about two to three years to maturity, roughly. And then the rate on those, that funding is 4.13%. So it's still relatively, for us, a good source of stable funding at a fixed rate. And as the rates change, you know, we are gonna also be looking at that and making adjustments to that if optimal.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah. So that funding will be rate dependent, Kelly.

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

Okay, thanks. Very last one, if I could just slip it in. You may have covered this in your prepared remarks about the swaps, and I may have missed it, but the $300 million of forward-starting swaps, when does that roll on, and what is the peak notional active?

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

They start in 2025 and 2026, so mid-2025 to early 2026. And the rate on that is 3.03%. But between now and then, you know, we are still gonna manage the position, and that's how we're looking at, you know, managing our rate sensitivity to on the short end as well. It will vary between now and then from the $2.8 billion.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

And it's also-

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

Got it.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

This is Brad. It's also important to note that the forward swaps are set to coincide with the maturity of 300 million of notional AFS swaps as well. So it really won't impact the total exposure there.

[Dean Shigemura, CFO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I mean, just a broader picture, we're sitting at 53% fixed float as of the Q3. Assuming that kind of the concept of continuing lower rates holds, we would anticipate taking that fixed float position more towards the 58-59% range to take advantage of the slope of the yield curve.

[Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW]

That's super helpful. I'll step back. Thank you for all the questions here.

[Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Mm-hmm. Take care, Kelly.

[Operator]

Thank you, and I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Chang Park for closing remarks.

[Chang Park, Senior VP and Director of Investor Relations at Bank of Hawaii Corporation]

Thank you, everyone, today for your and your continued interest in Bank of Hawaii. Please feel free to reach out to me if you have any additional questions. Thanks again, and have a good day.

[Operator]

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Peter Ho, Chairman and CEO
• Dean Shigemura, CFO
• Chang Park, Senior VP and Director of Investor Relations
• James Polk, President and Chief Banking Officer
• Bradley Shairson, Chief Risk Officer

Analysts

• Kelly Motta, Analyst at KBW
• Jeff Rulis, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson
• Jared Shaw, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Barclays
• Andrew Liesch, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Piper Sandler