LTC Properties Q3 2024 Earnings Report

LTC Properties EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.66
• Consensus EPS: $0.71
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$0.05
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.65

LTC Properties Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $55.78 million
• Expected Revenue: $35.45 million
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$20.33 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: +13.10%

LTC Properties Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q3 2024
• Date: 10/28/2024
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Tuesday, October 29, 2024
• Conference Call Time: 11:00AM ET

LTC Properties (NYSE:LTC) (NYSE: LTC) is a real estate investment trust that specializes in financing and investing in long-term health care properties. The company focuses on providing capital to operators of senior housing and health care facilities through sale-leaseback transactions, mortgage financings and structured finance arrangements. Its portfolio primarily comprises skilled nursing facilities, assisted living communities and memory care centers.

Since its founding in 1992, LTC Properties has built a diversified portfolio of properties located across the United States. The company’s investment strategy emphasizes long-term, triple-net leases with creditworthy operators, enabling predictable cash flows and alignment of interests with its tenants. In addition to debt and equity investments, LTC Properties often structures joint ventures to partner on new developments and acquisitions in key senior housing markets.

Headquartered in Jacksonville, Florida, LTC Properties has established relationships with a broad network of health care providers and senior living operators. Over the years, it has grown its asset base through strategic acquisitions and disciplined underwriting, maintaining a focus on operators with strong operating histories and growth prospects in aging demographics.

Under the leadership of President and Chief Executive Officer Gregory E. Orr, LTC Properties continues to pursue opportunities in markets driven by demographic trends, including rising demand for senior housing and specialized care services. The company’s governance framework and industry expertise aim to support sustainable portfolio performance and alignment with shareholders’ long-term interests.

LTC Properties Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Deleveraging and Liquidity: Year-to-date, LTC collected over $98 million in loan payoffs/paydowns and nearly $63 million from ATM equity sales, reducing pro forma debt/EBITDA to 4.2× and raising total liquidity to approximately $286 million.
• Q3 Financial Performance: Net income available to common shareholders increased by $7.1 million, driving FFO of $0.78 per share ($0.68 excluding non-recurring items) versus $0.65 last year, fueled by one-time portfolio transition income and lower interest expense.
• RIDEA Initiative: With full board support, LTC is actively evaluating a RIDEA structure that could convert $150 million–$200 million of existing triple-net leases and serve as a catalyst for 2025 growth.
• Portfolio Operations: Assisted living operator ALG has met its contractual rent obligations post-deferral under cross-default/collateral terms, and Prestige Healthcare improved occupancy to 83%, backed by upcoming Medicaid recoveries and excess cash flow sharing.
• 2024 Guidance: Q4 FFO per share is forecast at $0.65–$0.66 excluding known non-recurring items, and full-year FFO guidance remains $2.63–$2.65 per share assuming no additional material transactions.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the LTC Properties Incorporated third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. My name is Ali, and I will be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode, and later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. During the question-and-answer session, if you have a question, please press star one on your touch-tone phone. Before management begins its presentation, please know that today's comments, including the question-and-answer session, may include forward-looking statements subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results and events to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in LTC Properties filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission from time to time, including the company's most recent 10-K dated December 31st, 2023.

[Operator]

LTC undertakes no obligation to revise or update these forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this presentation. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Wendy Simpson. Ma'am, you may begin.

[Wendy L. Simpson, CEO at LTC Properties]

Thank you, operator, and welcome everyone to LTC's 2024 third quarter conference call. On the call with me today are Pam Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer, and Clint Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer. The third quarter and fourth quarter to date have been positive to LTC, and we are optimistic about the year and 2025. Year to date, we have collected $4.1 million in previously unrecorded revenue from former operators related to portfolio transitions in prior years, and we have received more than $98 million related to loan receivable payoffs and paydowns. Additionally, we received net proceeds of nearly $63 million from equity sales under our ATM program. As a result, we have substantially delevered our balance sheet, better positioning LTC to capitalize on new investment opportunities. When thinking about growth opportunities ahead, and with the full support of our board, we are actively evaluating RIDEA.

[Wendy L. Simpson, CEO at LTC Properties]

We are currently reviewing several strategic approaches as well as analyzing the infrastructure needed to successfully execute on this structure. Clint will provide more detail later. Before I turn the call over, I want to recognize the heroic efforts taken by our operators who are located in areas impacted by the recent hurricanes. They and their employees met the challenge to ensure residents and patients continue to receive the high-level care they need and expect. We've heard stories of great courage throughout the regions, and LTC extends its sympathies and support to everyone who has been and still is affected. Now I'll hand things over to Pam.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Thank you, Wendy. Please note that all numbers I discuss today are for the third quarter of 2024 compared with the same period in 2023 unless otherwise noted. You can find additional details about our financial results in our earnings press release, supplemental, and Form 10-Q. Net income available to common shareholders increased by $7.1 million, primarily due to one-time income from former operators related to portfolio transitions in prior years, a decline in interest expense resulting from our deleveraging activities, and increases in rent and income from unconsolidated joint ventures. Fully diluted FFO per share was $0.78 compared with $0.65 last year. Excluding non-recurring items, FFO per share was $0.68 versus $0.65. For a recap of third quarter activity, some of which was discussed on last quarter's call, we committed to fund a $26.1 million mortgage loan, which should begin early in 2025.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Recorded a $3.6 million gain on sale related to an assisted living community in Texas and received $441,000 in contractual rent through the remainder of the lease term, which would have expired in January 2025. Received a total of $39.7 million related to the payoff of a $29.3 million mortgage loan secured by a skilled nursing center in Louisiana, as well as the $10.4 million paydown on a working capital note. Recorded $4.1 million of income from former operators related to portfolio transitions in prior years. Sold 1,543,100 shares under our ATM program for net proceeds of $54.7 million. Exercised the accordion feature under our credit agreement to increase our revolving line of credit by $25 million.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Repaid $41.6 million under our unsecured revolving line of credit and $34.2 million in scheduled principal paydowns on our senior unsecured notes, and paid $25.3 million in monthly common dividends of $0.19 per share. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, we received $51.4 million from the payoff of a mortgage loan secured by a senior housing community in Georgia. Sold a closed property in Colorado for $5.3 million, for which we anticipate recording a gain on sale of approximately $1.1 million in the fourth quarter. Sold 226,370 shares under our ATM program for $7.9 million in net proceeds and repaid $93.8 million under our revolving line of credit. Subsequent to September 30th, our total liquidity was approximately $286 million, up 51% from the prior quarter.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Accordingly, we have $5.4 million of cash on hand, $279 million available on our line of credit, and $1.5 million available under our ATM, which we are in the process of renewing and expanding. Our conservative balance sheet management allows us to take advantage of new investment opportunities as they arise. As a result of successfully deleveraging our balance sheet, our pro forma debt to annualized adjusted EBITDA for real estate is down to 4.2 times from 5.3 times for the second quarter, and our pro forma annualized adjusted fixed charge coverage ratio is up to 4.8 times from 3.7 times for the second quarter. Our fourth quarter guidance for FFO, excluding one currently known non-recurring item, is between $0.65 and $0.66 per share. The $0.02 decrease from the third quarter is the result of the mortgage loan payoffs, as we have yet to redeploy that capital.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

The non-recurring item for the fourth quarter relates to provision for credit losses recovery of approximately $510,000 due to a mortgage loan receivable payoff in the fourth quarter. Our full year guidance for FFO, excluding non-recurring items, remains $2.63-$2.65 per share. Non-recurring items for the full year include the non-recurring items recognized to date, as detailed in our earnings release, as well as the provision for credit loss recovery I just mentioned. Our guidance assumes no additional investment activity, asset sales, financing, or equity issuances. Now I'll turn the call over to Clint for our portfolio review.

[Operator]

Thank you, Pam. Before I start a brief portfolio update, I'd like to say a few more words regarding the hurricanes, given our ownership of several buildings in the areas affected. First, there was no material damage to our buildings. We are very fortunate that only one building in our portfolio remains unoccupied until the municipal water supply is restored. The real story is the sacrifices made by many caregivers who valiantly showed up for work, even as their own homes were being damaged and destroyed. Moving to our portfolio, I'll start with ALG. They paid their contractual rent obligation for October in a timely manner, and we expect the same for November. Net of the deferral we provided on the 11-property assisted living portfolio we own through a joint venture accounted for as a financing receivable.

[Operator]

With our cooperation, ALG is actively engaged in pursuing financing to exercise their purchase options. As a reminder, all of our investments with ALG are now cross-defaulted and cross-collateralized, providing us with added security. Regarding the loan we modified in 2023 with Prestige Healthcare, occupancy improved to 83% in September of this year from 76% in October 2023. Additionally, in the fourth quarter, we expect Prestige to receive approximately $6 million in retroactive Medicaid payments, which will be added to the security deposit we hold. Beginning in January 2025, 50% of Prestige's excess cash flow will be added to our security deposit, which will be used to pay contractual interest above the current pay amount. Our projections continue to indicate we will receive all contractual interest due this year and in 2025.

[Operator]

Regarding our lease-up portfolio, which includes 17 properties across seven operators, we continue to expect 2024 revenue of approximately $3.6 million. We are actively reviewing 2025 budgets with our operators, and we will provide additional guidance on our next earnings call. You can find our recent portfolio coverage and occupancy metrics on page 16 of our supplemental. After the significant deleveraging Pam mentioned, we now have all of the elements in place to build a pipeline with accretive transactions. As Wendy mentioned, we are actively analyzing the addition of a RIDEA structure. We believe the quickest path to implementing this structure is through the cooperative conversion of selected current triple-net leases covering seniors housing investments. This represents an approximate initial range of gross investment between $150 million and $200 million, which could be converted by the second quarter of next year.

[Operator]

We believe this structure will act as a catalyst for growth in 2025. Now I'll turn things back to Wendy for her closing remarks.

[Wendy L. Simpson, CEO at LTC Properties]

Thank you, Pam and Clint. I feel really good about the progress we've made and our growth outlook, and believe we have the right team, the right strategy, and the access to capital needed to ensure a bright future for LTC. Thank you for joining us today. We look forward to talking to you again in February with our fourth quarter results. Operator, we're ready to take questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue, and you may press Star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the Star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question is coming from Austin Wurschmidt with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is live.

[Operator]

Great. Thanks and good morning, everybody. So now that you've more than opened the door to RIDEA, I guess, can you share some additional detail around what you think sort of the upfront platform investments are necessary to jump into that segment of the business? And would you think that the $150-$200 million or so of conversions would be immediately accretive when you take into consideration any additional investment from an overhead perspective?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

So while we're going through the analysis, as Wendy mentioned in her prepared remarks and tying into my comments, going into a conversion of triple-net leases in our portfolio, I mean, that's a way to manage into RIDEA because we're actively involved in the asset management of those properties currently. So that gives us a way to work into the platform. But we are analyzing and looking at what resources we need to add to be able to effectively manage that by doing new investments outside of just converting. So we'll provide more information on that on our next quarterly call. And in regard to any accretion from this, we're going through budgets right now with operators and looking at both the capital side of it, what's needed, as well as looking at implementation by operators of rate increases to see what the bottom line would look like.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

So we look forward to providing more information about that on our next quarterly call.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

No, that'll be helpful. And I guess beyond the conversion opportunities, can you just share what conversations you've had from an external growth perspective around RIDEA? And are you seeing opportunities at cap rates that you think you can be competitive in that business?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Yes, we are seeing some opportunities, and that's been a catalyst for us in driving forward on this. And in conversations with operators, I think they find it appealing to be able to look at maybe starting a relationship, the right-sized capital partner to be able to grow. And we do see opportunity where different operating companies are interested in growing on a RIDEA basis. We've had people talk to us about this over the past couple of years. And so it's been listening to operators over that timeframe. And we do think there's a lot of opportunity for us in that space.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

So, just, I know it's still early days and last one for me, but how do you think holistically about kind of the size and scope of this piece of business within the context of your legacy triple-net investment business?

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Hi, Austin. It's Pam. I think given the deal landscape out there and the trajectory of RIDEA, I think it could grow to be a very significant part of our business. It's difficult to make triple-net deals on the senior housing side pencil, and especially if you're wanting to participate in the upside. So it will probably grow to be a significant part of our business. I can't really put a % or an amount, dollar amount on it. But if you look at our peers and at private equity, which certainly is competition in our space, if you don't have this platform, you're excluding yourself from a lot of investment opportunity just right off the bat. And that's what we've experienced.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

No, that's helpful. Look forward to hearing more. Thanks, everybody.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Juan Sanabria with BMO. Your line is live.

[Operator]

Hi, this is Robin Han. I'm sitting in for Juan. Just wanted to follow up on the RIDEA opportunities. Could you maybe elaborate on why tenants are interested in conversions to RIDEA today?

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

It would be any tenant that doesn't have a long-term triple-net lease. So we've talked about the transition bucket that we have, and it's that subset, and Clint talked kind of the sizing of that in his prepared remarks of about $150 million-$200 million.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

And it could be any other leases in our portfolio that whether don't have set fixed rents or have a shorter duration of maturity.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Okay. And on the $9 million loan repayments, including working capital in the third and fourth quarter to date, is there anything else expected for the remainder of 2024? And how should we be thinking about repayments for 2025?

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

No, those are the repayments that we were expecting all year, and we talked about it being into third quarter, beginning of fourth quarter. For 2025, there's nothing of great significance, about $30 million scheduled to come due to us, and currently, we expect that to be paid off as it matures.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Most of those are backdated towards the end of the year. The only other item on that would be if ALG is able to secure their financing to exercise some of the purchase options. That would be the only other item that would add into maturities.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Got it. And on the ATM, what's the use of proceeds here? And is this maybe related to RIDEA, or is there anything we can expect on the acquisition front in the near term?

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

We talked about deleveraging all year, and we took care of that in the third quarter so that we could basically clear the deck and create liquidity for investment opportunities. Right now, where we sit with leverage at 28% debt to enterprise value and 4.2 times, I think we don't have any more deleveraging to do.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Rich Anderson with Wedbush. Your line is live.

[Operator]

Thanks. Good morning. On the RIDEA rollout, you mentioned the $150-$200 million of conversion potential starting next year. Again, I understand short-duration maturities or no-set rents is sort of the sweet spot to look to do those types of conversions. How much is that, let's say, $200 million? How much does that represent of those types of existing lease structures in your portfolio? In other words, is the $200 million sort of all of it, or is it some of it? Just wondering what the growth profile potentially might be from that conversion and then going forward internally and converting other assets or other triple-net arrangements within your existing portfolio.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

There will be some additional opportunities possibly, but I think beyond this, we would probably look more of an external growth story as opposed to just more conversions internally. So this would be the initial rollout. There could be some to follow, but it really would be an external growth story, Rich.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Okay, and in terms of that 150-200, is that a single operator, or is that a collection of operators?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

It would be multiple operators.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

And then you would partner with them, one or some of them, and go out on the field and try to deploy RIDEA and deploy external growth opportunities with that operator? Or would it be then separate from those as well in terms of finding opportunities where an operator that perhaps is not in your portfolio today that you would bring in as a RIDEA partner? Is that a possibility?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

It would be incremental. It would be incremental. One thing we would think about is just concentration. We wouldn't want to have too much concentration with a single operator. So that would be sort of a governor, if you will.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Yeah, I would say a combination of both, most likely.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Okay. Pam, did you say, or maybe it was Clint. ALG was current on October and November, but that is net of the deferrals that you offered. Is that right? So it's after the $3 million of deferrals for this year.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

That is correct. And they paid October, and we expect them to pay November.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

They have not started.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

But they've already paid October.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Talking about repaying back any of the deferrals or anything like that yet. Is that true, or is that starting to be part of the conversation?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

They're working through the refinancing of the properties to exercise the purchase option. So that would be part of that equation, Rich.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Okay.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

And again, we have a cross-collateralization and a cross-default provision. So that adds more security in the repayment, specifically of the deferred rent we've provided.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Yep. Okay. Last for me, a lot of, and we talked about this when we saw each other recently on purchase options usage and why it makes sense for you guys. And the one that's kind of out there a bit is Brookdale. I think it's 2029 where it becomes exercisable. But Brookdale is clearly stating that they want to own more of their units than rent them. Is there any chance where you could see that move push forward, or do you not want to perhaps do that because you don't want to get into a lumpy situation of too many purchase options being executed potentially at the same time? Thanks.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Yeah. We've carefully laddered those purchase option dates. And so I don't see a catalyst for us bringing that forward.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Okay. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Michael Carroll with RBC. Your line is live.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Yep. Thanks. I guess, Pam or Clint, I wanted to touch on the platform investments that you kind of referred to that you're looking at to bring on RIDEA. I know previously, I think we last talked, you were kind of highlighting that you might want to hire somebody first. I mean, is that the first investment we should think about? And are there other tech investments that you need to do to be able to better track the operating and financial results of these operators that could be potentially operating these communities under the structure?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

I think on the conversions, given our familiarity with the assets, that gives us visibility already to be able to work through that as we actively are right now. As we expand the platform, and it's something that we're actively evaluating, that we would look over time probably to add resources.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Clint, can you talk about what adding resources means? Is it just hiring somebody that is kind of an operator background, or is it building out a platform to track your operators' operating and financial results?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

A little bit of everything. I mean, from the accounting side to the asset management side to.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Yeah. G&A.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Should we think about G&A kind of ramping up higher next year as you kind of make these investments, or is it too early to tell?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

It's too early to tell at this point. Again, we think that converting into these and emphasizing cooperative situations, and given the visibility we already have into these assets, we're able to manage that without a lot more resources, and then we would look to scale as we turn more to an external growth story on RIDEA.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Okay.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Michael, I've got to, Michael, this is Wendy. I've got to say a shout-out to all of our "competitors" who have RIDEA. We've reached out to almost every one of them. They've been very helpful in telling us what we need, what type of systems we might have to add on. I mean, we're not going into this blind. We're using our connections with the industry, and it's really helping us to focus in on what we need. And I don't think it's going to be a significant investment because we're going a little bit smaller as we start out. But I wouldn't expect to see millions of dollars being spent to build out the platform to begin with.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Okay. Great. I appreciate that, Wendy. And then just last one for me. I guess on these near-term conversions, I guess, is there any deferred maintenance or renovation projects that we should think about where the operator is unable to make those investments, but now putting into the structure it makes sense for LTC to make those investments to kind of drive near-term growth above and beyond what they could have done in the triple-net portfolio? Is there anything like that embedded in those opportunities?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

I wouldn't see any major capital dollars other than maybe in a couple, it would be one asset specifically where there's revenue-enhancing dollars. But by and large, I wouldn't say there's not significant capital that would be needed.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Transition portfolios, we put capital in when we transition the operators. So most of it's already been added.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Okay. Great. Thank you.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Thanks.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Omotayo Okusanya with Deutsche Bank. Your line is live.

[Operator]

Hey, guys. This is Sam on for Tayo. I just have a question around Prestige. I was just wondering if you guys are seeing any improvements with that operator and if you have a rough expectation around when they'll return to meeting their contractual rental obligations entirely through cash?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Well, we were very encouraged by their occupancy growth, which I mentioned in the prepared remarks. In September, they were 83% compared to that timeframe a year ago. So they've made a lot of progress on that. And as we talked, when we first entered into this arrangement with Prestige back in the fall of 2023, through them putting their retroactive Medicaid funds into escrow with us, as well as LTC participating in excess cash flow starting in 2025, we really have given Prestige almost a two, two-and-a-half-year runway to be able to build back occupancy and improve margins. So I think that growth in occupancy is very encouraging. We're happy to see that. And I think they are making a lot of progress.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Right. That makes sense. And I guess the last one for me is, I hope I didn't miss this, but what's the outlook around external growth giving you improved leverage and liquidity?

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

We are actively looking at opportunities now. So hopefully, on the next call, we'll be able to provide more details regarding pipeline and investments.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Got it. All right. That's it for me. Thanks, guys.

[Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer at LTC Properties]

Great. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. As we have no further questions on the line, I would like to hand the call back over to Wendy Simpson for any closing remarks.

[Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer at LTC Properties]

Thank you, everyone, for joining us on the call today, and we're very excited about the RIDEA structure, and for those of you who have followed us a long time, you know how anti-RIDEA I have been in the past. I'm a new convert, and you know what converts do. They go in big time, so I'm very excited about our opportunities. Thank you, and we'll talk to you after the fourth quarter.

[Operator]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.

Participants

Executives

• Pamela J. Kessler, Co-President and Chief Financial Officer
• Clint B. Malin, Co-President and Chief Investment Officer
• Wendy L. Simpson, CEO

Analysts

• Analyst 2