NYSE:EIG Employers Q3 2024 Earnings Report $43.92 +0.02 (+0.03%) Closing price 05/22/2026 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$43.92 +0.01 (+0.01%) As of 05/22/2026 05:36 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Employers EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.81Consensus EPS $0.78Beat/MissBeat by +$0.03One Year Ago EPSN/AEmployers Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$224.00 millionExpected Revenue$225.19 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$1.19 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AEmployers Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date10/30/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, October 31, 2024Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsEmployers' Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Wednesday, July 29, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, July 30, 2026 at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Employers Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 31, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Net income per share jumped 124% y/y and adjusted EPS rose 19%, driven by higher premiums, strong investment income and net investment gains. All book value per share metrics reached all-time highs thanks to robust operations and a sharp decrease in interest rates. Underwriting and general & administrative expense ratio improved to 23.2%, the second-lowest since 2018, primarily due to the Cerity integration plan. Gross premiums written fell 8% y/y due to lower audit premiums, but net premiums earned climbed 1% and the accident year loss and LAE ratio held steady at 64%. Employers returned $15.1 million to shareholders with share repurchases at an average price of $45.27 and a declared $0.30 quarterly dividend, leaving $39 million of repurchase capacity. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallEmployers Q3 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Employers Holdings, Inc.'s third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during this session, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone. If your question has been answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, simply press star 11 again. As a reminder, today's program is being recorded. And now I'd like to introduce your host for today's program, Lori Brown, General Counsel. Please go ahead. Lori BrownEVP, Chief Legal Officer, and General Counsel at Employers Holdings00:00:36Thank you, Jonathan. Good morning and welcome, everyone, to the third quarter 2024 earnings call for Employers. Today's call is being recorded and webcast from the investor section of our website, where a replay will be available following the call. Statements made during this conference call that are not based on historical facts are considered forward-looking statements. These statements are made in reliance on the safe harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although we believe the expectations expressed in our forward-looking statements are reasonable, risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to be materially different from our expectations, including the risks set forth in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. All remarks made during the call are current only at the time of the call and will not be updated to reflect subsequent developments. Lori BrownEVP, Chief Legal Officer, and General Counsel at Employers Holdings00:01:32The company also uses its website as a means of disclosing material nonpublic information and for complying with disclosure obligations under the Securities, sorry, under the SEC's Regulation FD. Some disclosures will be included in the investor section of our website. Accordingly, investors should monitor that portion of our website in addition to following our press releases, SEC filings, public conference calls, and webcasts. In our earnings press release and in our remarks or responses to questions, we may use non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to our GAAP results are included in our financial supplement as an attachment to our earnings press release, our investor presentation, and any other materials available in the investor section on our website. And now I'll turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Kathy Antonello. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:02:35Thank you, Lori. And let me echo your words earlier with a warm welcome to everyone participating in today's call. Joining me today is Mike Paquette, our Chief Financial Officer. During the call, we will follow our typical agenda, where I will deliver my opening comments and then hand it over to Mike to provide the details on our financials. I'll close with a few additional thoughts, and then we'll open it up for questions, comments, and discussion. We are very pleased with Employers' third-quarter results. As we saw year-over-year, net income per share increased by 124%, and adjusted net income per share increased by 19%. Higher earned premiums, strong net investment income, and continued net investment gains were the main drivers of the increases. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:03:30Our strong operating results, coupled with the sharp decrease in interest rates experienced during the quarter, lifted each of our book value per share metrics to all-time highs. During the quarter, we continued to grow our new and renewal premiums while experiencing reductions in both premium audit pickup and audit accrual. Our current accident year loss and LAE ratio on voluntary business was 64%, slightly above the 63.3% we maintained throughout 2023 and consistent with that of 2022. As was the case in the third quarter of 2023, we did not recognize any prior year loss reserve development on our voluntary business because a full actuarial study was not performed. We will evaluate our prior year reserves in more detail at year-end when we routinely perform a full reserve study. Our ongoing initiative to reduce our underwriting and general and administrative expense ratio continues to be effective. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:04:40This quarter's ratio of 23.2% is down from 23.6% a year ago and is the second lowest since 2018. The decrease was primarily the result of the Cerity integration plan we executed in the fourth quarter of 2023. With that, Mike will now provide a deeper dive into our financials, and then I will return to provide my closing remarks. Mike. Mike PaquetteEVP and CFO at Employers Holdings00:05:07Thank you, Kathy. Gross premiums written were $181 million, a decrease of 8%. The decrease was primarily due to higher new and renewal business writings being more than offset by lower final audit premiums and endorsements. Net premiums earned were $187 million, an increase of 1%. Our losses and loss adjustment expenses were $118 million versus $115 million a year ago. Our loss and loss adjustment expense ratio, excluding the LPT, was 63.9% versus 63.2%. The increase in loss adjustment expenses was primarily due to higher earned premiums and a slightly higher current accident year loss and loss adjustment expense estimate. Commission expenses were $26 million versus $27 million a year ago, and our commission expense ratio was 14.1% versus 14.5%. Mike PaquetteEVP and CFO at Employers Holdings00:06:11The decrease in our commission expense ratio was primarily related to a decrease in anticipated 2024 agency incentives, which are specific to individual contracts and vary with agency targets. Underwriting and general and administrative expenses were $43 million versus $44 million, and our underwriting and general expense ratio was 23.2% versus 23.6%. Our net investment income was $27 million for the quarter versus $26 million a year ago, an increase of 3%. The increase was primarily due to higher yields on our fixed maturity securities. When considering the $1 million of interest expense we incurred in the third quarter of 2023 through our Federal Home Loan Bank leveraged investment strategy, which we unwound in the fourth quarter of 2023, our net investment income was up 7% year-over-year. Our fixed maturities currently have a duration of 4.2 and an average credit quality of A+. Mike PaquetteEVP and CFO at Employers Holdings00:07:20Our weighted average book yield was 4.4% at quarter end, which is up nicely from 4.1% a year ago. Our net income this quarter was favorably impacted by $10 million of net after-tax unrealized gains generated predominantly from equity securities and other investment holdings, both of which are reflected on our income statement, and our stockholders' equity was favorably impacted by $52 million of net after-tax unrealized gains generated from fixed maturity holdings, which are reflected on our balance sheet. During the third quarter, we repurchased $7 million of our common stock at an average price of $45.27 per share, and thus far, we have repurchased an additional $1 million of our common stock in the fourth quarter at an average price of $47.45 per share. Our remaining share repurchase authority currently stands at $39 million. Mike PaquetteEVP and CFO at Employers Holdings00:08:19Yesterday, our Board of Directors declared a fourth quarter 2024 regular quarterly dividend of $0.30 per share. This dividend is payable on November 27th to stockholders of record on November 13th. Now I'll turn it back to Kathy. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:08:35Thank you, Mike. Our appetite expansion effort, which has led to profitable growth, continues to be a large contributor to the 7% increase in premium that we've achieved year-to-date, excluding adjustments from premium audit. Our loss ratios in these new segments continue to be in line or better than our traditional segments, and we expect to further benefit from this strategy well into the future. And finally, we returned $15.1 million to our stockholders this quarter through a combination of share repurchases at an average price that was highly accretive to our adjusted book value per share and through regular quarterly dividends. And with that, operator, we will now take questions. Operator00:09:23Certainly. And once again, if you have a question at this time, please press star one one on your telephone. Our first question comes from the line of Mark Hughes from Truist Securities. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:09:35Yeah, thank you. Good morning. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:09:39Good morning, Mark. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:09:41Good morning. Your appetite expansion, the 7% year-to-date, I think that maybe was a little bit less in the third quarter. What do you think the growth prospects are? Just the pace of the appetite expansion has that sort of run its course, and you need to take another look at the market and look for some new class codes, or how should we think about that? Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:10:14Yeah, so I don't think it's run its course. We have what we call our Appetite Working Group, and they are still working and looking to find new class codes that fit in with who we are, and we continue to expand. In fact, we did expand towards the end of the third quarter our appetite. At the same time, we also look to find class codes that are not performing to the extent that we feel like they should. And so at times, we pull back too. But there's no intention at all to put to bed that strategy, and we continue to find places where we can grow profitably, and we will continue to do that end of 2025 and beyond until we can't find codes anymore that fit our appetite. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:11:11Yeah. The audit premium in 3Q, it sounds like it's decelerated a bit, and maybe it's picked back up in October. Is there anything you've been able to put your finger on as to why you saw the lull in the period? Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:11:31We haven't been able to put our finger on anything specific, but we have some high-level things going on within the economy that we think may have contributed. I actually was looking at the NCCI came out with a quarterly economic briefing yesterday, and one of the key themes or takeaways from that report was that the labor market slowed meaningfully over the summer, and then it picked back up in September, and I found that to be very interesting and sort of synonymous with what we saw over the summer, and now we're seeing in October. They also said that they expect more volatility in employment growth and some only modest hiring pace upcoming, so that was very similar to what we saw, but there is some volatility out there. It's a very, very difficult number to predict. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:12:37But so as the audit premiums have been coming down, we've been decreasing our audit accrual. And as you know, that has an impact on net written premium, which is why we have started sharing the numbers with and without those adjustments. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:12:54Yeah. Anything from your payroll partners around that summer lull of pace of new business? Anything to divine there? Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:13:06Haven't heard anything from the payroll partners on that front. I can say that our growth that we've seen continues to be widespread, whether it's coming from our independent agent channel, which is what we call our core channel. But we're also seeing tremendous growth on the digital side. One thing that I do want to point out is our policies in force during the third quarter of 2024 increased by more than they did in the first or second quarter of 2024. So the growth that we saw in the third quarter came from the smaller policy size bands. And that was one of the contributors to the fact that our growth, while we did grow, wasn't quite as strong in the third quarter. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:13:56Yeah. What's your prognostication for what the NCCI will come up with in terms of aggregate loss costs when we think about 2025? How do you think that'll trend? Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:14:17I think from what I've seen so far, the filings that are going to be effective on 1/25 and forward, all of the bureaus continue to show downward pressure on loss costs, and it's driven by the same things that we've seen in the past: decreases in frequency and very moderate changes in severity. So I don't have a crystal ball in terms of what will happen beyond what they have already filed, but I'm not seeing too much of a change there in terms of what they're filing. Now, I will point out that in every state except Florida, we can adjust our prices to what we feel is appropriate for our book of business, and we continue to do that. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:15:04Yeah. Thank you very much. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:15:08All right. Thank you, Mark. Operator00:15:10Thank you. And once again, ladies and gentlemen, if you do have a question at this time, please press star one one on your telephone. And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to hand the program back to Kathy Antonello for any further remarks. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:15:32Okay. Thank you all for joining us this morning, and I look forward to meeting with you again in February to discuss our year-end results. Operator00:15:44Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesKathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEOLori BrownEVP, Chief Legal Officer, and General CounselMike PaquetteEVP and CFOAnalystsMark HughesAnalyst at Truist SecuritiesPowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Employers Earnings Headlines1 Cash-Heavy Stock to Own for Decades and 2 That UnderwhelmMay 23 at 1:40 PM | finance.yahoo.comEmployers (NYSE:EIG) Stock Crosses Above Two Hundred Day Moving Average - What's Next?May 21, 2026 | americanbankingnews.comBefore you buy SpaceX shares, consider this alternative approachSpaceX has confidentially filed for an IPO with the SEC, targeting a June 2026 listing at a valuation exceeding $1.75 trillion - potentially the largest IPO in history. But one expert says buying shares directly may not be the smartest move. 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Through its subsidiaries, Employers Mutual Casualty Company and Employers Preferred Insurance Company, the firm specializes in providing workers’ compensation coverage alongside an array of commercial insurance products. Its service offerings include general liability, commercial auto, businessowners policies and umbrella coverages, tailored to meet the risk-management needs of small and mid-sized businesses across multiple industries. The company markets its insurance solutions primarily through a network of independent agencies and brokers, leveraging local market expertise to underwrite policies that address the unique exposures faced by clients in manufacturing, construction, healthcare, retail and service sectors. In addition to core insurance products, Employers Holdings offers loss control services, claims administration and online risk-management tools designed to help policyholders minimize workplace accidents and manage costs effectively. With roots dating back to 1913 when Iowa Employers Mutual was founded to serve local businesses, Employers Holdings converted into a stock-holder structure and began trading publicly in 2005. Since then, it has expanded its footprint beyond the Midwest, writing business in more than two dozen U.S. states. The company maintains regional offices to support its agent network and ensure responsive customer service. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Employers Holdings, Inc.'s third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during this session, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone. If your question has been answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, simply press star 11 again. As a reminder, today's program is being recorded. And now I'd like to introduce your host for today's program, Lori Brown, General Counsel. Please go ahead. Lori BrownEVP, Chief Legal Officer, and General Counsel at Employers Holdings00:00:36Thank you, Jonathan. Good morning and welcome, everyone, to the third quarter 2024 earnings call for Employers. Today's call is being recorded and webcast from the investor section of our website, where a replay will be available following the call. Statements made during this conference call that are not based on historical facts are considered forward-looking statements. These statements are made in reliance on the safe harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although we believe the expectations expressed in our forward-looking statements are reasonable, risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to be materially different from our expectations, including the risks set forth in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. All remarks made during the call are current only at the time of the call and will not be updated to reflect subsequent developments. Lori BrownEVP, Chief Legal Officer, and General Counsel at Employers Holdings00:01:32The company also uses its website as a means of disclosing material nonpublic information and for complying with disclosure obligations under the Securities, sorry, under the SEC's Regulation FD. Some disclosures will be included in the investor section of our website. Accordingly, investors should monitor that portion of our website in addition to following our press releases, SEC filings, public conference calls, and webcasts. In our earnings press release and in our remarks or responses to questions, we may use non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to our GAAP results are included in our financial supplement as an attachment to our earnings press release, our investor presentation, and any other materials available in the investor section on our website. And now I'll turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Kathy Antonello. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:02:35Thank you, Lori. And let me echo your words earlier with a warm welcome to everyone participating in today's call. Joining me today is Mike Paquette, our Chief Financial Officer. During the call, we will follow our typical agenda, where I will deliver my opening comments and then hand it over to Mike to provide the details on our financials. I'll close with a few additional thoughts, and then we'll open it up for questions, comments, and discussion. We are very pleased with Employers' third-quarter results. As we saw year-over-year, net income per share increased by 124%, and adjusted net income per share increased by 19%. Higher earned premiums, strong net investment income, and continued net investment gains were the main drivers of the increases. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:03:30Our strong operating results, coupled with the sharp decrease in interest rates experienced during the quarter, lifted each of our book value per share metrics to all-time highs. During the quarter, we continued to grow our new and renewal premiums while experiencing reductions in both premium audit pickup and audit accrual. Our current accident year loss and LAE ratio on voluntary business was 64%, slightly above the 63.3% we maintained throughout 2023 and consistent with that of 2022. As was the case in the third quarter of 2023, we did not recognize any prior year loss reserve development on our voluntary business because a full actuarial study was not performed. We will evaluate our prior year reserves in more detail at year-end when we routinely perform a full reserve study. Our ongoing initiative to reduce our underwriting and general and administrative expense ratio continues to be effective. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:04:40This quarter's ratio of 23.2% is down from 23.6% a year ago and is the second lowest since 2018. The decrease was primarily the result of the Cerity integration plan we executed in the fourth quarter of 2023. With that, Mike will now provide a deeper dive into our financials, and then I will return to provide my closing remarks. Mike. Mike PaquetteEVP and CFO at Employers Holdings00:05:07Thank you, Kathy. Gross premiums written were $181 million, a decrease of 8%. The decrease was primarily due to higher new and renewal business writings being more than offset by lower final audit premiums and endorsements. Net premiums earned were $187 million, an increase of 1%. Our losses and loss adjustment expenses were $118 million versus $115 million a year ago. Our loss and loss adjustment expense ratio, excluding the LPT, was 63.9% versus 63.2%. The increase in loss adjustment expenses was primarily due to higher earned premiums and a slightly higher current accident year loss and loss adjustment expense estimate. Commission expenses were $26 million versus $27 million a year ago, and our commission expense ratio was 14.1% versus 14.5%. Mike PaquetteEVP and CFO at Employers Holdings00:06:11The decrease in our commission expense ratio was primarily related to a decrease in anticipated 2024 agency incentives, which are specific to individual contracts and vary with agency targets. Underwriting and general and administrative expenses were $43 million versus $44 million, and our underwriting and general expense ratio was 23.2% versus 23.6%. Our net investment income was $27 million for the quarter versus $26 million a year ago, an increase of 3%. The increase was primarily due to higher yields on our fixed maturity securities. When considering the $1 million of interest expense we incurred in the third quarter of 2023 through our Federal Home Loan Bank leveraged investment strategy, which we unwound in the fourth quarter of 2023, our net investment income was up 7% year-over-year. Our fixed maturities currently have a duration of 4.2 and an average credit quality of A+. Mike PaquetteEVP and CFO at Employers Holdings00:07:20Our weighted average book yield was 4.4% at quarter end, which is up nicely from 4.1% a year ago. Our net income this quarter was favorably impacted by $10 million of net after-tax unrealized gains generated predominantly from equity securities and other investment holdings, both of which are reflected on our income statement, and our stockholders' equity was favorably impacted by $52 million of net after-tax unrealized gains generated from fixed maturity holdings, which are reflected on our balance sheet. During the third quarter, we repurchased $7 million of our common stock at an average price of $45.27 per share, and thus far, we have repurchased an additional $1 million of our common stock in the fourth quarter at an average price of $47.45 per share. Our remaining share repurchase authority currently stands at $39 million. Mike PaquetteEVP and CFO at Employers Holdings00:08:19Yesterday, our Board of Directors declared a fourth quarter 2024 regular quarterly dividend of $0.30 per share. This dividend is payable on November 27th to stockholders of record on November 13th. Now I'll turn it back to Kathy. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:08:35Thank you, Mike. Our appetite expansion effort, which has led to profitable growth, continues to be a large contributor to the 7% increase in premium that we've achieved year-to-date, excluding adjustments from premium audit. Our loss ratios in these new segments continue to be in line or better than our traditional segments, and we expect to further benefit from this strategy well into the future. And finally, we returned $15.1 million to our stockholders this quarter through a combination of share repurchases at an average price that was highly accretive to our adjusted book value per share and through regular quarterly dividends. And with that, operator, we will now take questions. Operator00:09:23Certainly. And once again, if you have a question at this time, please press star one one on your telephone. Our first question comes from the line of Mark Hughes from Truist Securities. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:09:35Yeah, thank you. Good morning. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:09:39Good morning, Mark. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:09:41Good morning. Your appetite expansion, the 7% year-to-date, I think that maybe was a little bit less in the third quarter. What do you think the growth prospects are? Just the pace of the appetite expansion has that sort of run its course, and you need to take another look at the market and look for some new class codes, or how should we think about that? Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:10:14Yeah, so I don't think it's run its course. We have what we call our Appetite Working Group, and they are still working and looking to find new class codes that fit in with who we are, and we continue to expand. In fact, we did expand towards the end of the third quarter our appetite. At the same time, we also look to find class codes that are not performing to the extent that we feel like they should. And so at times, we pull back too. But there's no intention at all to put to bed that strategy, and we continue to find places where we can grow profitably, and we will continue to do that end of 2025 and beyond until we can't find codes anymore that fit our appetite. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:11:11Yeah. The audit premium in 3Q, it sounds like it's decelerated a bit, and maybe it's picked back up in October. Is there anything you've been able to put your finger on as to why you saw the lull in the period? Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:11:31We haven't been able to put our finger on anything specific, but we have some high-level things going on within the economy that we think may have contributed. I actually was looking at the NCCI came out with a quarterly economic briefing yesterday, and one of the key themes or takeaways from that report was that the labor market slowed meaningfully over the summer, and then it picked back up in September, and I found that to be very interesting and sort of synonymous with what we saw over the summer, and now we're seeing in October. They also said that they expect more volatility in employment growth and some only modest hiring pace upcoming, so that was very similar to what we saw, but there is some volatility out there. It's a very, very difficult number to predict. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:12:37But so as the audit premiums have been coming down, we've been decreasing our audit accrual. And as you know, that has an impact on net written premium, which is why we have started sharing the numbers with and without those adjustments. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:12:54Yeah. Anything from your payroll partners around that summer lull of pace of new business? Anything to divine there? Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:13:06Haven't heard anything from the payroll partners on that front. I can say that our growth that we've seen continues to be widespread, whether it's coming from our independent agent channel, which is what we call our core channel. But we're also seeing tremendous growth on the digital side. One thing that I do want to point out is our policies in force during the third quarter of 2024 increased by more than they did in the first or second quarter of 2024. So the growth that we saw in the third quarter came from the smaller policy size bands. And that was one of the contributors to the fact that our growth, while we did grow, wasn't quite as strong in the third quarter. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:13:56Yeah. What's your prognostication for what the NCCI will come up with in terms of aggregate loss costs when we think about 2025? How do you think that'll trend? Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:14:17I think from what I've seen so far, the filings that are going to be effective on 1/25 and forward, all of the bureaus continue to show downward pressure on loss costs, and it's driven by the same things that we've seen in the past: decreases in frequency and very moderate changes in severity. So I don't have a crystal ball in terms of what will happen beyond what they have already filed, but I'm not seeing too much of a change there in terms of what they're filing. Now, I will point out that in every state except Florida, we can adjust our prices to what we feel is appropriate for our book of business, and we continue to do that. Mark HughesAnalyst at Truist Securities00:15:04Yeah. Thank you very much. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:15:08All right. Thank you, Mark. Operator00:15:10Thank you. And once again, ladies and gentlemen, if you do have a question at this time, please press star one one on your telephone. And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to hand the program back to Kathy Antonello for any further remarks. Kathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEO at Employers Holdings00:15:32Okay. Thank you all for joining us this morning, and I look forward to meeting with you again in February to discuss our year-end results. Operator00:15:44Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesKathy AntonelloDirector, President, and CEOLori BrownEVP, Chief Legal Officer, and General CounselMike PaquetteEVP and CFOAnalystsMark HughesAnalyst at Truist SecuritiesPowered by