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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Stellus Capital Investment EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.40Consensus EPS $0.46Beat/MissMissed by -$0.06One Year Ago EPS$0.49Stellus Capital Investment Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$26.50 millionExpected Revenue$27.36 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$860.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AStellus Capital Investment Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date11/7/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateFriday, November 8, 2024Conference Call Time12:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsStellus Capital Investment's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Monday, November 9, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, November 11, 2026 at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptQuarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Stellus Capital Investment Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 8, 2024ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways During Q3, Stellus reported $0.39 per share of GAAP net investment income (core NII of $0.40) and NAV per share increased by $0.19 due to unrealized appreciation on its portfolio. The investment portfolio grew to a fair value of $908.7 million across 99 companies, with 98% of loans secured, 95% floating-rate, and non-accruals at just 4.7% of the loan book. Capital management was active as the ATM program issued $14.6 million of shares above NAV and the post-quarter bank facility was upsized from $260 million to $315 million, supporting potential growth beyond $1 billion in assets. Looking ahead, management expects Q4 portfolio growth to $930 million–$950 million, loan repayments of $29 million, equity realizations of $5.3 million (gains of $4.3 million), and declared a $0.40 per share quarterly dividend. Declining SOFR and industry-wide spread compression (from high-6% to mid-5% on new deals) may put downward pressure on future yields and net investment income. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallStellus Capital Investment Q3 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Stellus Capital Investment Corporation's Conference Call to report financial results for its third fiscal quarter ended September 30, 2024. Participants are currently on a listen-only mode, and we will have a question-and-answer session following the presentation. If you require operator assistance during the call, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. This conference is being recorded today, November 8th, 2024. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Robert Ladd, Chief Executive Officer of Stellus Capital Investment Corporation. Mr. Ladd, you may begin your conference. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:00:48Thank you, Ali. And good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call. Welcome to our conference call covering the quarter ended September 30th of this year. Joining me this morning is Todd Huskinson, our Chief Financial Officer, who will cover important information about forward-looking statements as well as an overview of our financial information. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:01:09Thank you, Rob. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call is being recorded. Please note that this call is the property of Stellus Capital Investment Corporation and that any unauthorized broadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. Audio replay of the call will be available by using the telephone number and PIN provided in our press release announcing this call. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary safe harbor disclosure in our press release regarding forward-looking information. Today's conference call may also include forward-looking statements and projections, and we ask that you refer to our most recent filing with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections. We will not update any forward-looking statements unless required by law. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:01:53To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit our website at www.stelluscapital.com under the public investors link or call us at 713-292-5400. Now I'll cover our operating results for the quarter, but I would like to start with our life-to-date activity. Since our IPO in November 2012, we've invested approximately $2.5 billion in over 195 companies and received approximately $1.6 billion of repayments while maintaining stable asset quality. We've paid over $273 million of dividends to our investors, which represents $16.28 per share to an investor in our IPO in November 2012, which was offered at $15 per share. Turning now to operating results, in the third quarter, we generated $0.39 per share of GAAP net investment income, and core net investment income was $0.40 per share, which excludes estimated excise taxes. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:02:52Net asset value per share increased $0.19 during the quarter due to unrealized appreciation on our investment portfolio, primarily related to one equity investment. Our ATM program was also active during the quarter, and we issued $14.6 million in shares at an average gross price of $13.79. All issuances were above net asset value. With respect to portfolio and asset quality, we ended the quarter with an investment portfolio at fair value of $908.7 million across 99 portfolio companies, up from $899.7 million across 100 companies as of June 30th, 2024. During the third quarter, we invested $9.4 million in one new portfolio company and had $8.4 million in other investment activity at par. We also received one full repayment totaling $8.4 million and received $5.5 million of other repayments, both at par. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:03:54We also received one equity realization that generated proceeds of $2.6 million and a realized gain of $2.2 million. At September 30th, 98% of our loans were secured and 95% were priced at floating rates. The average loan per company is $9.5 million, and the largest overall investment is $19.6 million, both at fair value. All but one of our portfolio companies are backed by a private equity firm. Overall, our asset quality is slightly better than planned. At fair value, 26% of our portfolio is rated a one or ahead of plan, and 18% of the portfolio is marked in an investment category of three or below, meaning not meeting plan or expectations. Currently, we have loans to six portfolio companies that are non-accrual, which comprise 4.7% of the fair value of the total loan portfolio. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:04:46With that, I'll turn it back over to Rob to discuss the overall outlook. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:04:49Okay. Thank you, Todd. As we look ahead to the fourth quarter, I'll cover portfolio growth, equity realizations, capital management, and dividends. Based on an active pipeline, we expect to end the fourth quarter with a portfolio between $930 million and $950 million. We do expect some loan repayments, approximately $29 million in the quarter, and equity realization proceeds to total about $5.3 million, which will result in realized gains of $4.3 million, one which is disclosed in our subsequent events for $1.07 million of proceeds and a realized gain of over $600,000. As Todd noted earlier, we had a good third quarter for equity issuance under our ATM program. After quarter end, we increased our bank facility by $55 million from $260 to 315 millioon and have a meaningful amount of capacity. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:05:48Given our current capitalization, we have the ability to grow the portfolio to $1 billion plus, and finally, regarding dividends, we did declare the dividend for the fourth quarter at a rate of $0.40 per quarter payable monthly, and of which the record date for November and December are forthcoming, and with that, I'll open it up for questions, and Ali, if you'll please begin the question and answer session, please. Operator00:06:15Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will be conducting our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. The confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue, and you may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Thank you. Our first question is coming from Paul Johnson with KBW. Your line is live. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:06:58Yeah. Good morning, Paul. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:06:59Good afternoon. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. With just NII, a little light of our expectations and slightly below the dividend this quarter, the activity was fairly light. Was there any kind of, I mean, was there any sort of temporary drivers there with NII being below the dividend this quarter with the incentive fee waiver and the timing of investments or anything like that? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:07:31Yes. I'd say nothing unusual. We certainly had a lower SOFR rate for the quarter. We did have a little bit of tick up in non-accrual, but nothing unusual. And as I recall, in last quarter, we had a little bit more in other income. So this would have driven last quarter to be a little bit higher. But again, I think a reasonable quarter in terms of expectation given the current interest rates. But as you noted, Paul, too, that our investment activity was lighter than expected, which again, as I mentioned, we expect to pick up in the fourth quarter. So that would have been impacted a little bit too. We thought we'd end the third quarter at 930 and ended it closer to 900. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:08:24Got it. So the kind of range that we're in, the $0.39, low $0.40s, I mean, if there's nothing unusual in there, is that a pretty good run rate going forward? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:08:38So we'll have to see how other income comes in the quarter and the fourth quarter. But just as a reminder that SOFR did drop, again, our loans would have repriced, most of them repriced again at 930. And that drove the yield you'll see nominally from 11.7 in the prior quarter to 11 even for the fourth quarter. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:09:00Got it. Okay. So it's mainly the base rates that make sense are driving the. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:09:05Correct. Yeah. Declining SOFR curve. Yeah. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:09:09Okay. And then can you again just walk through maybe kind of what drove the write-up in the portfolio this quarter, sort of the unrealized gains? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:09:23Yes. So there are a number of 99 companies, so a number of movements up and down. We did have one portfolio company that had some meaningful appreciation that's tied to a potential transaction, but just increased value in one of our equity co-investments. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:09:47Got it. So it was just the one company that kind of drove most of the appreciation this quarter then? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:09:53That's correct, Paul. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:09:55Okay. Okay. That's all the questions for me. Thank you. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:10:02Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Paul. Operator00:10:07Thank you. Our next question is coming from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is live. Christopher NolanSVP at Ladenburg Thalmann00:10:15Hey, just a follow-up on Paul's questions on the EPS run rate. So given the recent Fed action on lowering rates, that'd be a downward bias on EPS together with the higher non-accruals. Just want a little clarification. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:10:32Yes, that's right. It should have a little bit of impact. Again, as we move down in the quarter, interestingly it looked like the Fed's announcement yesterday hadn't changed the forward curve. But again, we did have a lower SOFR in the fourth quarter, or we will have a lower SOFR in the fourth quarter versus the third. Christopher NolanSVP at Ladenburg Thalmann00:10:53Got it. And then the lack of a fee waiver, should we expect the fee waiver to be a recurring item or just serve as a one-timer? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:04Go ahead, Todd. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:05Yeah. So Chris, thanks for the question. So it kind of depends on what happens in the quarter, of course, which we can't predict. But with respect to gains and losses, at the moment, we don't expect one this quarter, but we do, if nothing else changes, would expect to see a waiver maybe in the second quarter of 2025, so in the future. And then nothing after that. But that's if nothing changes. So if there's a change up or down, that could affect the waiver. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:37Yeah, and as you know, Chris, all just a function of the 12-quarter test. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:41Right. Exactly. Christopher NolanSVP at Ladenburg Thalmann00:11:42Absolutely. And then I guess final question, what's the spillover income? Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:47It stands at $42 million right now. Christopher NolanSVP at Ladenburg Thalmann00:11:52Okay. Thanks, guys. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:54Thank you, Chris. Operator00:12:02Apologies, ladies and gentlemen. I pressed the wrong button by mistake. Our next question. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:12:07No worries. Operator00:12:08Apologies. Our next question is coming from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Your line is live. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:12:16Hi, guys. I think you'd probably prefer to hear them visit from me. But on the appreciation, you mentioned it's tied to a potential transaction. Is that one of the ones that you think might occur in Q4, or is it a longer-term? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:12:37No, it would. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:12:38It's expected. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:12:39Yeah. It's a good question. It's expected to occur in Q4. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:12:44Got it. I just got that spillover income talk. That $42 million, does that include the prospective of realized gains that are going to come in Q4, or is that just as of the end of Q3? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:13:06It's as of the end of Q3, but the realized gains expected in Q4 are regular way, if you will, and we'll be able to distribute them. There will not be a tax impact. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:13:21Okay. Got it. Thank you. Sorry, just scribbling some things down. So on the yield level, I mean, as you said, most of it's base rates. There does look like there has been, versus a year ago, a little bit of spread compression, which obviously is industry-wide thematic. What's your opinion? Has that leveled out in terms of where new onboarding spreads are today as it's stabilized, or are we going to continue to see a little bit of that flow through as we go into Q4 through early next year? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:14:03Yeah. Good question. We're certainly seeing spreads come down from what were in the sixes to now in the fives. The impact of that is rolling through. You're not seeing if everything repriced, that would be a different number. We're seeing that in the fourth quarter. Newer opportunities are coming on in the fives versus the sixes, whereas the average yield currently is probably in the sixes, average spread in the sixes. It'd just be a question if that continues. We certainly have seen it stabilize, certainly not seeing it go down further. One thing that we've seen historically is when you get lower what used to be LIBOR or SOFR, you can see spreads actually stop compressing because I think people are also solving for an absolute yield. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:14:57But in any event, the baked into the quarter would be things that are being booked more in the fives than the sixes. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:15:05Got it. Got it. Thank you. And then, on just the obviously, Q3 came in a little in terms of portfolio. Overall size came in a little bit below where you were thinking a quarter ago. So how confident would you say you are in that 930 to 950 by year-end? I mean, it sounds like some things during the quarter might have slipped, but what's the risk of that happening again? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:15:38Yeah. No, that's a good question based on last quarter. So if it's helpful, we have 10 to 15 active deals, and we would be pretty confident to get to the $9.30 and could be higher. So if it's helpful, our activity has picked up quite meaningfully. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:15:57Got it. Thank you. Operator00:16:02Thank you. As we have no further questions in the queue at this time, I would like to hand it back to Mr. Ladd for his closing remarks. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:16:10Okay. Thank you, Ali. And thank everyone for being on and your support of our company. And we look forward to speaking with you in the spring as we report on the whole year. Take care now. Operator00:16:23Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Stellus Capital Investment Corporation's Conference Call to report financial results for its third fiscal quarter ended September 30, 2024. Participants are currently on a listen-only mode, and we will have a question-and-answer session following the presentation. If you require operator assistance during the call, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. This conference is being recorded today, November 8th, 2024. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Robert Ladd, Chief Executive Officer of Stellus Capital Investment Corporation. Mr. Ladd, you may begin your conference. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:00:48Thank you, Ali. And good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call. Welcome to our conference call covering the quarter ended September 30th of this year. Joining me this morning is Todd Huskinson, our Chief Financial Officer, who will cover important information about forward-looking statements as well as an overview of our financial information. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:01:09Thank you, Rob. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call is being recorded. Please note that this call is the property of Stellus Capital Investment Corporation and that any unauthorized broadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. Audio replay of the call will be available by using the telephone number and PIN provided in our press release announcing this call. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary safe harbor disclosure in our press release regarding forward-looking information. Today's conference call may also include forward-looking statements and projections, and we ask that you refer to our most recent filing with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections. We will not update any forward-looking statements unless required by law. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:01:53To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit our website at www.stelluscapital.com under the public investors link or call us at 713-292-5400. Now I'll cover our operating results for the quarter, but I would like to start with our life-to-date activity. Since our IPO in November 2012, we've invested approximately $2.5 billion in over 195 companies and received approximately $1.6 billion of repayments while maintaining stable asset quality. We've paid over $273 million of dividends to our investors, which represents $16.28 per share to an investor in our IPO in November 2012, which was offered at $15 per share. Turning now to operating results, in the third quarter, we generated $0.39 per share of GAAP net investment income, and core net investment income was $0.40 per share, which excludes estimated excise taxes. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:02:52Net asset value per share increased $0.19 during the quarter due to unrealized appreciation on our investment portfolio, primarily related to one equity investment. Our ATM program was also active during the quarter, and we issued $14.6 million in shares at an average gross price of $13.79. All issuances were above net asset value. With respect to portfolio and asset quality, we ended the quarter with an investment portfolio at fair value of $908.7 million across 99 portfolio companies, up from $899.7 million across 100 companies as of June 30th, 2024. During the third quarter, we invested $9.4 million in one new portfolio company and had $8.4 million in other investment activity at par. We also received one full repayment totaling $8.4 million and received $5.5 million of other repayments, both at par. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:03:54We also received one equity realization that generated proceeds of $2.6 million and a realized gain of $2.2 million. At September 30th, 98% of our loans were secured and 95% were priced at floating rates. The average loan per company is $9.5 million, and the largest overall investment is $19.6 million, both at fair value. All but one of our portfolio companies are backed by a private equity firm. Overall, our asset quality is slightly better than planned. At fair value, 26% of our portfolio is rated a one or ahead of plan, and 18% of the portfolio is marked in an investment category of three or below, meaning not meeting plan or expectations. Currently, we have loans to six portfolio companies that are non-accrual, which comprise 4.7% of the fair value of the total loan portfolio. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:04:46With that, I'll turn it back over to Rob to discuss the overall outlook. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:04:49Okay. Thank you, Todd. As we look ahead to the fourth quarter, I'll cover portfolio growth, equity realizations, capital management, and dividends. Based on an active pipeline, we expect to end the fourth quarter with a portfolio between $930 million and $950 million. We do expect some loan repayments, approximately $29 million in the quarter, and equity realization proceeds to total about $5.3 million, which will result in realized gains of $4.3 million, one which is disclosed in our subsequent events for $1.07 million of proceeds and a realized gain of over $600,000. As Todd noted earlier, we had a good third quarter for equity issuance under our ATM program. After quarter end, we increased our bank facility by $55 million from $260 to 315 millioon and have a meaningful amount of capacity. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:05:48Given our current capitalization, we have the ability to grow the portfolio to $1 billion plus, and finally, regarding dividends, we did declare the dividend for the fourth quarter at a rate of $0.40 per quarter payable monthly, and of which the record date for November and December are forthcoming, and with that, I'll open it up for questions, and Ali, if you'll please begin the question and answer session, please. Operator00:06:15Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will be conducting our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. The confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue, and you may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Thank you. Our first question is coming from Paul Johnson with KBW. Your line is live. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:06:58Yeah. Good morning, Paul. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:06:59Good afternoon. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. With just NII, a little light of our expectations and slightly below the dividend this quarter, the activity was fairly light. Was there any kind of, I mean, was there any sort of temporary drivers there with NII being below the dividend this quarter with the incentive fee waiver and the timing of investments or anything like that? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:07:31Yes. I'd say nothing unusual. We certainly had a lower SOFR rate for the quarter. We did have a little bit of tick up in non-accrual, but nothing unusual. And as I recall, in last quarter, we had a little bit more in other income. So this would have driven last quarter to be a little bit higher. But again, I think a reasonable quarter in terms of expectation given the current interest rates. But as you noted, Paul, too, that our investment activity was lighter than expected, which again, as I mentioned, we expect to pick up in the fourth quarter. So that would have been impacted a little bit too. We thought we'd end the third quarter at 930 and ended it closer to 900. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:08:24Got it. So the kind of range that we're in, the $0.39, low $0.40s, I mean, if there's nothing unusual in there, is that a pretty good run rate going forward? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:08:38So we'll have to see how other income comes in the quarter and the fourth quarter. But just as a reminder that SOFR did drop, again, our loans would have repriced, most of them repriced again at 930. And that drove the yield you'll see nominally from 11.7 in the prior quarter to 11 even for the fourth quarter. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:09:00Got it. Okay. So it's mainly the base rates that make sense are driving the. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:09:05Correct. Yeah. Declining SOFR curve. Yeah. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:09:09Okay. And then can you again just walk through maybe kind of what drove the write-up in the portfolio this quarter, sort of the unrealized gains? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:09:23Yes. So there are a number of 99 companies, so a number of movements up and down. We did have one portfolio company that had some meaningful appreciation that's tied to a potential transaction, but just increased value in one of our equity co-investments. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:09:47Got it. So it was just the one company that kind of drove most of the appreciation this quarter then? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:09:53That's correct, Paul. Paul JohnsonVP at KBW00:09:55Okay. Okay. That's all the questions for me. Thank you. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:10:02Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Paul. Operator00:10:07Thank you. Our next question is coming from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is live. Christopher NolanSVP at Ladenburg Thalmann00:10:15Hey, just a follow-up on Paul's questions on the EPS run rate. So given the recent Fed action on lowering rates, that'd be a downward bias on EPS together with the higher non-accruals. Just want a little clarification. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:10:32Yes, that's right. It should have a little bit of impact. Again, as we move down in the quarter, interestingly it looked like the Fed's announcement yesterday hadn't changed the forward curve. But again, we did have a lower SOFR in the fourth quarter, or we will have a lower SOFR in the fourth quarter versus the third. Christopher NolanSVP at Ladenburg Thalmann00:10:53Got it. And then the lack of a fee waiver, should we expect the fee waiver to be a recurring item or just serve as a one-timer? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:04Go ahead, Todd. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:05Yeah. So Chris, thanks for the question. So it kind of depends on what happens in the quarter, of course, which we can't predict. But with respect to gains and losses, at the moment, we don't expect one this quarter, but we do, if nothing else changes, would expect to see a waiver maybe in the second quarter of 2025, so in the future. And then nothing after that. But that's if nothing changes. So if there's a change up or down, that could affect the waiver. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:37Yeah, and as you know, Chris, all just a function of the 12-quarter test. Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:41Right. Exactly. Christopher NolanSVP at Ladenburg Thalmann00:11:42Absolutely. And then I guess final question, what's the spillover income? Todd HuskinsonCFO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:47It stands at $42 million right now. Christopher NolanSVP at Ladenburg Thalmann00:11:52Okay. Thanks, guys. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:11:54Thank you, Chris. Operator00:12:02Apologies, ladies and gentlemen. I pressed the wrong button by mistake. Our next question. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:12:07No worries. Operator00:12:08Apologies. Our next question is coming from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Your line is live. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:12:16Hi, guys. I think you'd probably prefer to hear them visit from me. But on the appreciation, you mentioned it's tied to a potential transaction. Is that one of the ones that you think might occur in Q4, or is it a longer-term? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:12:37No, it would. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:12:38It's expected. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:12:39Yeah. It's a good question. It's expected to occur in Q4. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:12:44Got it. I just got that spillover income talk. That $42 million, does that include the prospective of realized gains that are going to come in Q4, or is that just as of the end of Q3? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:13:06It's as of the end of Q3, but the realized gains expected in Q4 are regular way, if you will, and we'll be able to distribute them. There will not be a tax impact. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:13:21Okay. Got it. Thank you. Sorry, just scribbling some things down. So on the yield level, I mean, as you said, most of it's base rates. There does look like there has been, versus a year ago, a little bit of spread compression, which obviously is industry-wide thematic. What's your opinion? Has that leveled out in terms of where new onboarding spreads are today as it's stabilized, or are we going to continue to see a little bit of that flow through as we go into Q4 through early next year? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:14:03Yeah. Good question. We're certainly seeing spreads come down from what were in the sixes to now in the fives. The impact of that is rolling through. You're not seeing if everything repriced, that would be a different number. We're seeing that in the fourth quarter. Newer opportunities are coming on in the fives versus the sixes, whereas the average yield currently is probably in the sixes, average spread in the sixes. It'd just be a question if that continues. We certainly have seen it stabilize, certainly not seeing it go down further. One thing that we've seen historically is when you get lower what used to be LIBOR or SOFR, you can see spreads actually stop compressing because I think people are also solving for an absolute yield. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:14:57But in any event, the baked into the quarter would be things that are being booked more in the fives than the sixes. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:15:05Got it. Got it. Thank you. And then, on just the obviously, Q3 came in a little in terms of portfolio. Overall size came in a little bit below where you were thinking a quarter ago. So how confident would you say you are in that 930 to 950 by year-end? I mean, it sounds like some things during the quarter might have slipped, but what's the risk of that happening again? Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:15:38Yeah. No, that's a good question based on last quarter. So if it's helpful, we have 10 to 15 active deals, and we would be pretty confident to get to the $9.30 and could be higher. So if it's helpful, our activity has picked up quite meaningfully. Robert DoddDirector at Raymond James00:15:57Got it. Thank you. Operator00:16:02Thank you. As we have no further questions in the queue at this time, I would like to hand it back to Mr. Ladd for his closing remarks. Robert LaddCEO at Stellus Capital Investment Corporation00:16:10Okay. Thank you, Ali. And thank everyone for being on and your support of our company. And we look forward to speaking with you in the spring as we report on the whole year. Take care now. Operator00:16:23Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's call, and you may disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesRobert LaddCEOTodd HuskinsonCFOAnalystsPaul JohnsonVP at KBWRobert DoddDirector at Raymond JamesChristopher NolanSVP at Ladenburg ThalmannPowered by