Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • CMCT is executing a strategic shift to reduce traditional office assets and expand its premier multifamily portfolio, a plan in place for over two years to strengthen the balance sheet and improve liquidity.
  • The company is in advanced stages of property-level refinancings— including the Sheraton Grand Hotel and key Los Angeles offices—to fully repay its recourse corporate credit facility and deploy remaining proceeds into multifamily acquisitions.
  • Q3 developments include completing the office-to-multifamily conversion at 701 South Hudson, progressing a 36-unit Echo Park build, and closing a co-investment at 1902 Park Avenue, all enhancing recurring fee income and distributions.
  • Third-quarter segment NOI fell by $3.6 million—driven by office and hotel renovation headwinds—while multifamily NOI rose, resulting in a core FFO loss of $0.40 per share and a GAAP FFO loss of $1.00 per share.
  • CMCT redeemed approximately $38 million of preferred stock for common equity—issuing 60.5 million shares—to eliminate nearly $8 million in annual preferred dividends and align capital structure closer to a 40% common equity target.
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Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation Q3 2024
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Operator

Hello and welcome to the Creative Media & Community Trust Third Quarter 2024 earnings call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad, and to withdraw from the queue, you may press star, then two. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the call to Steve Altebrando. Please go ahead.

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Hello everyone, and thank you for joining us. My name is Steve Altebrando, the Portfolio Oversight for CMCT. Also on the call today are David Thompson, our Chief Executive Officer, and Barry Berlin, our Chief Financial Officer. This call is being webcast and will be temporarily archived on the Investor Relations section of our website, where you can also find our earnings release. Our earnings release includes a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures discussed during today's call. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are based on the beliefs of, assumptions made by, and information currently available to us. Our actual results will be affected by known and unknown risks, trends, uncertainties, and other factors that are beyond our control or ability to predict. Although we believe that our assumptions are reasonable, they are not guarantees of future performance, and some will prove to be incorrect.

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Therefore, our actual future results can be expected to differ from our expectations, and those differences may be material. For a more detailed description of potential risks, please refer to our SEC filings, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to David Thompson.

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Thanks, Steve, and thank you everyone for joining our call today. We continue to work through the challenges in the real estate market, particularly the traditional office asset class, as well as the challenges in the Bay Area. We remain committed to increasing our multifamily portfolio as well as reducing our traditional office assets, a strategy that we have pursued for more than two years and believe is best suited for the current market environment. In the third quarter, we announced actions to accelerate our focus towards premier multifamily assets. These steps are also aimed at strengthening our balance sheet and improving our liquidity and cash flow. We are making progress against these goals. First, we are in the advanced stages of refinancing several of our assets, including our Sheraton Grand Sacramento and several of our high-quality Los Angeles office assets.

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

We intend to use the proceeds from these property-level refinancings to fully repay and retire our recourse corporate-level credit facility. We plan to invest any remaining proceeds, along with proceeds from future potential asset sales or refinancings, principally to acquire additional premier multifamily properties. Second, we continue to make progress on rebalancing our portfolio, including through our multifamily development pipeline and the renovation of our hotel asset. We will continue to evaluate the disposition of assets that do not fit our strategy. With respect to our multifamily pipeline, we recently completed an office-to-multifamily conversion at 4750 Wilshire and are on track to complete our 36-unit multifamily development in Echo Park in Los Angeles in the third quarter of 2025. We also just closed a co-investment at 1902 Park Avenue, another premier Class A apartment property, which is located also in Echo Park.

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

That transaction provided a cash distribution to CMCT and will contribute recurring management fees. We believe we have a growing portfolio of premier assets, and these steps will better position the company to participate in the real estate recovery. Turning to our third quarter results, we continue to be impacted by elevated short-term interest rates, continued soft rental rates at our Bay Area multifamily assets, lower office occupancy, and renovation disruption at our hotel. With respect to the office, we noted last quarter our largest tenant at One Kaiser Plaza gave back approximately 130,000 sq ft at the end of July. With respect to our hotel, our results were significantly impacted this quarter by a temporary disruption from the renovation of our hotel property in Sacramento.

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

However, we anticipate finalizing the room renovation around year-end, which will be in time for the busier seasonal period, typically in the first and second quarters of each year. With that, I will turn it over to Steve to provide a further update on our development pipeline, the portfolio, and our co-investment activity.

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Thanks, David. Starting with the co-investment, we just closed at 1902 Park Avenue, a 75-unit fully leased apartment community. An international institutional investor acquired a 49% interest in this premier Class A apartment property located in Echo Park, a thriving walkable submarket with abundant dining and entertainment options. Proceeds from the investment were used to pay off the mortgage and fund a distribution to CMCT and another CIM-advised fund. CMCT and the CIM-advised fund each acquired a 50% ownership interest in 1902 Park Avenue in early 2023 in an off-market transaction. After this transaction, CMCT's ownership will decline to about 25.5%. CMCT will earn a management fee and potentially an incentive fee based on future performance. This represents CMCT's second co-investment where CMCT earns fee income.

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Turning to our development pipeline, and as David just mentioned, we have three projects underway or just completed, including two multifamily projects in LA and the hotel room renovation in Sacramento. Starting with our multifamily projects, our office-to-residential project at 4750 Wilshire was completed in the third quarter ahead of schedule, with the residential component being renamed 701 South Hudson. The asset is located in Hancock Park, an affluent residential submarket of LA where housing is supply constrained. The property was previously a three-story office building, and the ground floor creative office is 100% leased, and the top two floors were converted to 68 high-end for-rent residential units. Leasing has commenced, and as of today, the residential portion is currently 10% leased. We are also evaluating additional multifamily development opportunities at this property on adjacent land that is currently used for surface parking.

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

We are in the initial stages of seeking entitlements. Our second multifamily development is 1915 Park in Echo Park, which has an expected mid-2025 delivery. Upon completion, the new seven-story building will feature 36 units. The building is currently being topped off with rough-in work underway. Turning to our hotel, our $21 million room renovation at the Sheraton Grand Sacramento, which began in July, includes a refresh of all 503 rooms. We have completed nearly 300 rooms so far, and we expect to complete the project around the end of 2024, which is also ahead of our original schedule. We believe this renovation will be especially beneficial to the asset as it is one of just two hotels located directly across the street from Sacramento's Convention Center, which itself completed a major renovation and expansion in 2021.

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Turning to our operating portfolio, on a consolidated basis at quarter end, our multifamily segment was about 92% occupied, excluding the recently opened 701 South Hudson property. This compares to 79.3% at the end of 2023. This increase is largely driven by a significant improvement in occupancy at our Channel House and 1150 Clay multifamily assets in Oakland. Our achieved rental rates have been below expectations as the market continues to absorb the high level of supply added across Oakland in 2018 through 2022. Given the still elevated cost to develop, we believe the local rents would need to increase dramatically before it is economical to see new multifamily construction. Therefore, we expect minimal new supply for the foreseeable future and eventually market rent growth.

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Turning to office, overall, our office lease percentage declined to 72.9% at the end of the quarter from 83.5% last quarter, primarily due to the lower occupancy at our one Oakland office building, a traditional office investment that does not fit our current strategy. With that, I'll turn it over to Barry.

Barry Berlin
Barry Berlin
CFO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Thank you, Steve. Good morning. I will be going over some of our financial highlights for the third quarter, starting with our segment NOI, which was $7.6 million for the third quarter of 2024, compared to $11.2 million in the prior year comparable period, a decrease of $3.6 million. Broken down by our four segments, we experienced decreases of $3.9 million in our office segment and $950,000 in our hotel segment, which were partially offset by increases of $900,000 and $320,000 respectively in our multifamily and lending business segments. Our office segment decrease of $3.9 million in NOI to $5.4 million from $9.3 million was primarily driven by the pickup of earnings from our unconsolidated office entities, which collectively experienced net unrealized losses on their investments in real estate during the current quarter compared to net unrealized gains in Q3 last year.

Barry Berlin
Barry Berlin
CFO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Additionally, we saw an increase in operating expenses at our consolidated properties, primarily at an office property in Oakland, California, and an office property in Austin, Texas. Our hotel segment decrease of $950,000 in NOI to $970,000 for the third quarter of 2024 from $1.9 million in the third quarter last year was primarily attributable to a decrease in occupancy, which was negatively impacted by construction related to hotel renovations that began during the third quarter of 2024. Our multifamily segment increase of approximately $900,000 in NOI to a profit of $510,000 from a loss of $390,000 for the third quarter last year. The improvement was primarily due to higher occupancy and higher monthly rent per occupied unit net of rent concessions at our multifamily properties in Oakland, California.

Barry Berlin
Barry Berlin
CFO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Our lending division increase of $325,000 NOI to approximately $690,000 from $365,000 for the third quarter last year was primarily due to decreased interest expense resulting from principal repayments on our SBA 7(a) loan-backed notes. In our non-segment expenses, we had a significant decrease in depreciation and amortization of $9.7 million, which was driven by the full amortization during 2023 of the acquired in-place intangible assets for our Oakland assets, while there was no amortization for acquired in-place lease intangible assets during 2024. Also of importance is our election to redeem a total of approximately 2.6 million shares of Series A1 Preferred Stock and 2.2 million shares of Series A Preferred Stock in late September 2024. We paid for these redemptions through the issuance of shares of our common stock, which in total amounted to approximately 60.5 million shares.

Barry Berlin
Barry Berlin
CFO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Concurrent with such redemption, we suspended our offering of the Series A1 Preferred Stock. The redemption caused us to record approximately $16 million as a reduction of net income available to common stockholders. The preferred redemptions are part of our ongoing efforts to improve our liquidity and FFO, and based on the current Fed Funds Rate, will reduce our preferred dividend by nearly $8 million per year. Our FFO was a -$1 per diluted share compared to -$0.31 in the prior year comparable period, and our Core FFO was a -$0.40 per diluted share compared to a -$0.29 in the prior year comparable period. The decrease in FFO was primarily caused by the redeemable preferred stock redemptions of $15.7 million and the decrease of $3.6 million in segment NOI.

Barry Berlin
Barry Berlin
CFO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

The decrease in Core FFO was driven by the previously mentioned decrease in segment NOI, but not impacted by the increase in redeemable preferred stock redemptions as these are excluded from our Core FFO calculation. We can now open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, you may press star, then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Today's first question comes from John Massocca with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

John Massocca
John Massocca
Senior Research Analyst of Equity Research Department at B. Riley Securities

Good morning. Maybe just going first to the preferred conversion. Can you maybe provide some color on the drivers behind the decision to convert those into common equity and, I guess, maybe longer term, what's the potential for more conversions going forward?

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Sure. This is David. I'll take a shot at that and see if you can fill in if I missed anything. I mean, as we noted in our press release and our discussion, we're very focused on strengthening the balance sheet, improving cash flow, focusing on liquidity. We've long said that our target capital structure has about 40% common equity, and what we've seen over the last couple of years with the values of real estate going down because of interest rates and, particularly for us, challenges in the Bay Area, that had gotten out of balance. So this helps us in that regard, and it also helps us with, again, taking more proactive steps to improve cash flow. So we save on the cash preferred dividend by converting it into common.

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

And again, this kind of aligns with some of the other things we've talked about doing, including being in the advanced stages of refinancing the hotel and several of our high-quality LA office assets. And again, to put us in a better position to be, again, focused on strengthening the balance sheet and improving the cash flow. I think with respect to going forward, I mean, it's something we're just going to have to continue to evaluate. Ultimately, that will be a decision of our board, but it's something that we're keeping an eye on. And again, don't have a view one way or the other at this point, but it's something we'll continue to evaluate.

John Massocca
John Massocca
Senior Research Analyst of Equity Research Department at B. Riley Securities

Okay. Is there a certain kind of conversion price that is off-putting to doing more going forward? I mean, the stock obviously has been down significantly. The common equity has been down significantly since the conversion happened. I don't know if that—if you as the board find that off-putting for more conversions going forward, or if it's just kind of—this is something that needs to happen in order to right-size where you want the balance sheet to be positioned?

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Yeah. I mean, I think they're all factors we're going to have to look at. We'll have to look at where it's trading. We'll have to look at, again, what are the benefits to our liquidity? What are the benefits to, again, getting our capital structure back more in line with the target? So it's all going to come into play. And again, ultimately, it'll be something the board will have to make a decision on.

John Massocca
John Massocca
Senior Research Analyst of Equity Research Department at B. Riley Securities

Okay, and then in terms of some of the planned future refinancings, is there, broad strokes, kind of a range of interest rate, sorry, interest rate savings you're kind of looking at today as you think about some of that refinancing activity, or is it still too early?

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Steve, you want to take that? I don't know if we.

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Yeah. I mean, a lot of it is really dependent on the five-year, which has been pretty volatile of late. But I think more than anything, I think there is an opportunity for interest rate savings, but kind of bigger picture for us is we are shifting our financing strategy more to a property-level strategy. And there's certain benefits of that, including, I think, just lower overall risk to the enterprise. I think there is an opportunity for some interest rate savings and certainly an opportunity to term out our debt, extend the maturities. So that's really the driver behind it is really, I would say, the shift of the strategy as opposed to the rate. But having said that, I do think there are some opportunities to reduce rate a little bit.

John Massocca
John Massocca
Senior Research Analyst of Equity Research Department at B. Riley Securities

Would you be looking to kind of create more capital via those refinancings, or is it kind of going to be a one-for-one and you're just kind of looking to shift stuff positionally? And then also, would the focus be more on fixed or kind of floating, you think, at a property level?

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

There is an opportunity to free up some capital. I mean, our leverage, when you look at just pure debt versus our assets, is pretty low, so there is an opportunity to free up some capital, and with respect to rate, for the most part, we're looking at fixed rate, the exception being the hotel where there's a business plan short-term and with respect to the renovation, in which case we're looking at refinancing that asset right now, and it would be a floater, and the benefits of that is it allows you to basically refinance at a later date without any restrictions of basically prepayments.

John Massocca
John Massocca
Senior Research Analyst of Equity Research Department at B. Riley Securities

And then any kind of other things going forward that could create additional capital, maybe disposition of assets you're looking at today and/or other forms of raising capital now that the preferred pipeline, if you will, has been turned off?

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

We are really looking across every asset in the portfolio and evaluating whether it makes sense to potentially sell. So I would say everything is on the table on that front. And we'll continue to really be focused on positioning the portfolio and raising some capital near-term, positioning the portfolio for growth going forward.

John Massocca
John Massocca
Senior Research Analyst of Equity Research Department at B. Riley Securities

Okay. And then one last one for me. Sorry, it's a little all over the place given the direction of the last couple of questions. But if you did create more capital on the balance sheet today, any thoughts to a buyback just given where the stock is trading?

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

I think it's a little too early.

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Always. Yeah. It's. Go ahead, Steve.

Steve Altebrando
Steve Altebrando
Portfolio Oversight at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Yeah. I think it's a little too early. We still have some wood to chop on the refis. Once we get through that, the goal is to retire the credit facility entirely and wind up with some additional capital, and at that point, we can start evaluating whether something like that makes sense.

John Massocca
John Massocca
Senior Research Analyst of Equity Research Department at B. Riley Securities

Okay. I appreciate taking questions. That's it for me. Thank you.

David Thompson
David Thompson
CEO at Creative Media & Community Trust Corporation

Thanks, John.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. And the conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.

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