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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Cheetah Mobile EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.20Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ACheetah Mobile Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACheetah Mobile Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date12/17/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, December 17, 2024Conference Call Time6:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsCheetah Mobile's Q1 2026 earnings is estimated for Friday, June 5, 2026, based on past reporting schedulesConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Cheetah Mobile Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrDecember 17, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways 16.6% year-over-year revenue growth in Q3 marks the second consecutive quarter of accelerating growth, driven by service robotics and the legacy internet business. Non-GAAP operating loss narrowed to RMB 61 million from RMB 63 million in Q2, reflecting cost controls and consolidation of overlapping teams. Legacy internet segment grew 26% year over year with operating margin (excluding share-based compensation) improving to 10%. Expanded global footprint with a new factory/fulfillment robot launch and strengthened distribution networks in Europe and Asia to tap into the estimated $1 trillion service robotics market. R&D investment surged 25% quarter over quarter, with ~60% of revenues plowed into AI development, including an 8 billion-parameter MoE model and enhancements in voice, navigation and robotic arms. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCheetah Mobile Q3 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the Cheetah Mobile Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by 0. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad, and to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. Please note today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Helen Jing Zhu, IR for Cheetah Mobile. Please go ahead. Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:00:37Thank you, Operator. Welcome to Cheetah Mobile Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. With us today are our company's Chairman and CEO, Mr. Fu Sheng, and our Director and CFO, Mr. Thomas Ren. Following management's prepared remarks, we will conduct a Q&A session. Please note that the CEO's script will be presented by an AI agent. Before we begin, I refer you to the safe harbor statement in our earnings release, which also applies to our earnings conference call today, as well as make forward-looking statements. At this time, I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. Fu Sheng. Please go ahead, Fu Dong. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:01:27Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. Cheetah Mobile once again achieved accelerated revenue growth in Q3, driven by our service robotics and internet businesses. This consistent growth results from our strategies to expand the use cases of our wheeled service robotics and expand into overseas markets, as well as the resilience of our legacy internet business. Industry demand for service robots continues to rise, especially in the overseas markets and in restaurants, hotels, factories, and offices. Business owners are using robots more often to help their staff and improve efficiency. In the past weeks, I visited many customers and partners in Europe and associations in Asia. In fact, I am still in Europe today meeting with our local partners to further strengthen our presence. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:02:25Building a strong local distribution network is very important for our global expansion, as it will set us apart from our peers. That's why I have spent significant effort on this initiative. During my conversations with local partners, I learned that our robots are helping them solve labor shortages. Some customers in Europe shared that using Cheetah's robots have reduced employee absences and turnover. Meanwhile, some Japanese customers told us our robots are much more reliable than other players' offerings and are switching to our products. In September, we launched a new robot for factory and fulfillment center use. This robot can autonomously deliver goods to move low-payload items from transit warehouses to assembly lines. We are currently optimizing the product to better meet the needs of customers in overseas markets. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:03:20This highlights the importance of receiving feedback and inputs from local partners. We believe this product will become an important part of our service robotics business in 2025. While the robotics industry is still in its early stages, it will be a trillion-dollar market. Robots are becoming essential helpers for humans, and it will happen in the developed markets first. LLMs will speed up this growth by enabling robots to do more tasks and making them easier to deploy than ever before. Through our conversations with investors, we've noticed a lot of interest in how LLMs are making our robots smarter and driving steady revenue growth. Today, I will share what we've achieved so far with LLMs in our products and what's coming next. First, we are using LLMs to improve the way our service robots interact through voice. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:04:15Thanks to our strong far-field voice recognition, our robots already hear users well. Now, with LLMs, they understand users' questions more clearly and respond better, making the overall experience much smoother. For instance, in restaurants, our robots don't just deliver food during busy hours. They can also help attract customers, boosting the return on investment for restaurant owners by taking on more roles. Because LLMs break down language barriers, we are expanding these voice-enabled robots to international markets. We are also working on AgentOS, a system that lets customers set up tasks for robots using voice prompts. For example, you can tell a robot to check each table at 2:00 PM to see if anyone wants to order more food before the kitchen closes at 2:30 PM. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:05:12The robot will go to each table, skip the ones without customers, and even allow people to place orders if the ordering system is linked. Without LLMs, this kind of functionality would be nearly impossible or would require writing a lot of complicated code. Secondly, we are using multimodal models to improve our robots' indoor autonomous driving. One area that we are working on is to enable our robots to map out the large factory as they move and look around. Once the map is ready, our operations team can mark key locations, and the robots can then navigate the factory on their own to deliver goods. If factory owners want to change these key locations, they can easily update the map whenever needed. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:05:59Based on our initial testing, thanks to LLMs, the time it takes to set up our robots can dramatically reduce from about two days to just two hours. We are already using vision-based autonomous driving technology in some cases and plan to expand it further. For instance, our robots use vision-based autonomous driving technology to avoid people and obstacles and understand their surroundings. Over time, we aim to achieve an end-to-end navigation system. This will allow our robots to handle more complex environments entirely on their own. Third, we're adding robotic arms to our robots to help them do specific jobs. Some of these arms can press buttons, which is useful for delivering things between floors, in particular in the overseas markets, where business owners are reluctant to adjust their elevator access control systems due to security concerns. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:06:56Others can pick up and sort items, which is great for use in factories. These arms are powered by on-device multimodal models, making it easier to automate routine tasks. When it comes to LLMs, we use advanced models through API calls to support some of the features we have discussed. At the same time, we are also developing our own models. In November, we launched an 8 by 7 billion mixture of experts model, covering many languages, including Chinese, English, Korean, and Japanese. We've made it open source and use it to power our robots, especially the AgentOS features. Additionally, we have trained smaller on-device models to support indoor autonomous driving and control robotic arms, turning to LLM-based applications. We recently introduced AirDS, an AI-based data service platform, assisting enterprises in data and building prompts for their LLM-based applications. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:08:02AirDS was built on top of our insights into developing LLMs and LLM-based apps. So far, we have received positive customer feedback on our LLM-based applications, and we will continue to enrich our portfolio. Our goal is to offer relatively standardized SaaS products, allowing businesses to use LLMs to gain efficiency. Before handing the call over to Thomas for the financial highlights, I want to stress this: Cheetah Mobile is in a good position to tap into the growing markets for service robots and LLM-based apps, given years of experience from the PC and mobile phone eras, as well as expanding into international markets. We have strong LLM expertise. We've already made solid progress in growing our revenue and cutting losses. This is just the beginning of Cheetah Mobile's turnaround. Thomas RenCFO at Cheetah Mobile00:09:08Thank you, Fu Sheng. Hello, everyone on the call. Please note that, unless stated otherwise, all money amounts are in RMB terms. In Q3 2024, our financial results demonstrated solid execution on two strategic objectives. Number one, accelerating revenue growth driven by both the sales of robots and the legacy internet businesses. Number two, enhancing our operational efficiency to reduce our operating losses sequentially. In the third quarter of 2024, our total revenues increased 16.6% year over year, marking the second consecutive quarter of accelerating revenue growth, compared to 11.6% in Q1 and 12.3% in Q2. Our wheel-based service robots continue to be a key driver of growth. Additionally, our legacy internet business remained resilient, achieving solid revenue growth and margin expansion. Thomas RenCFO at Cheetah Mobile00:10:23On profitability, we made further progress. Non-GAAP gross profit rose 14% year over year and 7% quarter over quarter to Â¥131 million, with non-GAAP gross margin expanding to 68% in the third quarter, from 65% in Q2 and 63% in Q1. Non-GAAP operating loss was Â¥61 million in the quarter, reduced from Â¥63 million in Q2 and Â¥66 million in Q1. We continue to focus on managing costs and expenses. Notably, we consolidated the teams of Cheetah and Beijing OrionStar, streamlining staff and services with overlapping functions. For example, in Q3, we reduced invoice costs and cloud costs, professional and legal service fees, and certain labor costs related to G&A and operations. Thomas RenCFO at Cheetah Mobile00:11:33We are also decisively investing in AI, using AI to enhance our service robotics business. For example, our non-GAAP R&D expenses increased 25% quarter over quarter in Q3, and now about 60% of our revenues are invested in R&D. As Fu Sheng has said in the past, while we focus on developing products that generate immediate revenue and profits, we remain attentive to the latest technological advancements. Another highlight is the continued strength of our legacy internet business, which grew 26% year over year and 18% quarter over quarter. Operating margin, excluding share-based compensation expense, for this segment improved to 10% from 6% last year. Thomas RenCFO at Cheetah Mobile00:12:40As of September 30, 2024, we maintain a strong balance sheet with cash and cash equivalents of Â¥1.831 billion, or $218 million. Long-term investments of about Â¥886 million, or $126 million. In closing, we are making solid progress in expanding revenues and narrowing losses. We are confident in our investments in AI because we see the significant market potential of integrating our LMs into our service robotics business. At the same time, we remain disciplined in reducing losses and driving efficiency in our AI operations. Thank you. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, we are now ready for the Q&A session. Operator00:13:49Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:14:16Everyone, for today's call, Management will answer questions in Chinese, and then AI Agent will translate Management's comments into English in another language. Please note that the translation is for convenience purposes only. In the case of any discrepancy, Management's statement in Chinese will prevail. If you are unable to hear the Chinese translation, I think a transcript in English will be available on our IR website as soon as we can. Operator, we are now ready to take questions. Thank you so much. Operator00:14:50Thank you. Moving the first question up. And it's from Thomas Chong at Jefferies. Please go ahead. Thomas ChongManaging Director at Jefferies00:14:58晚上好,谢谢管ç†å±‚æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚我的问题是关于猎豹的机器人业务的。请问如果是我们看2025年,机器人在出货é‡ã€æ”¶å…¥å¢žé•¿ä»¥åŠåœ¨æ”¶å…¥å 比方é¢ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬è®¾å®šäº†å“ªäº›å…·ä½“çš„ç›®æ ‡ï¼Ÿ Thomas ChongManaging Director at Jefferies00:14:58Thanks, management, for taking my question and a good evening. My question is about Cheetah Mobile business. In 2025, what are our goals in terms of volume, revenue growth, and revenue contribution from the robots business? Thank you. 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Vicky WeiEquity Research Analyst at Citi00:17:40谢谢管ç†å±‚æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚我的问题是关于猎豹的互è”网业务的。我们看到本å£åº¦è¡¨çŽ°æ¯”è¾ƒä¸é”™ï¼Œæ”¶å…¥å’Œåˆ©æ¶¦çŽ‡éƒ½æ¯”è¾ƒç¨³å¥ã€‚请问我们应该如何看待2025年互è”ç½‘ä¸šåŠ¡çš„æ”¶å…¥å’Œåˆ©æ¶¦çŽ‡çš„è¶‹åŠ¿ï¼Ÿæˆ‘ä»¬æ˜¯æ¯”å¦‚è¯´å‘ˆçŽ°é€æ¥å¢žé•¿çš„æ€åŠ¿ï¼Œè¿˜æ˜¯è¯´ä¼šæœ‰é€æ¥æ”¾ç¼“的下滑?谢谢。 Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:18:07好的,我æ¥å›žç”。感谢您的æé—®ã€‚从整个大局上æ¥è¯´ï¼Œäº’è”网今天已ç»ä¸æ˜¯ä¸ªé«˜å¢žé•¿çš„行业了,已ç»å˜æˆä¸€ä¸ªåŸºç¡€è¡Œä¸šäº†ã€‚æ‰€ä»¥å°±åˆšæ‰æˆ‘è¯´çš„ï¼Œå½“å¹´é‚£ç§æŒ‡æ•°çº§å¢žé•¿æ˜¯å¾ˆéš¾çš„。但是第二就猎豹移动,从大家都知é“çš„å‰å‡ 年我们é‡åˆ°ä¸‹æž¶äº‹ä»¶çš„å½±å“当ä¸ä¹Ÿåœ¨é€æ¥èµ°å‡ºæ¥ã€‚我们在国内的一些互è”网的新的产å“,包括PC上的产å“,包括这一轮由于大模型的出现,AI PC,PC的整个的市场也在回暖,所以带æ¥äº†æˆ‘们整体的一些增长。 å¦‚æžœè¯´æ˜Žå¹´çš„é¢„æœŸï¼Œæˆ‘è®¤ä¸ºæ˜¯è¿™æ ·ï¼Œäº’è”网技术人员æˆä¸ºä¸€ä¸ªåŸºç¡€è¡Œä¸šäº†ã€‚å®ƒå°±æ˜¯ä¸€ä¸ªå’Œå¾ˆå¤šä¼ ç»Ÿè¡Œä¸šä¸€æ ·ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬å·²ç»åœ¨æ–°çš„è¿™ç§çŽ¯å¢ƒä¸‹æ‰¾åˆ°äº†è‡ªå·±çš„å¢žé•¿è·¯å¾„ã€‚é‚£ä¹ˆæˆ‘ä»¬è§‰å¾—åº”è¯¥ä¼šä¿æŒé€æ¥çš„稳定的增长,应该ä¸å†ä¼šä¸‹æ»‘ã€‚è¿™åªæ˜¯æˆ‘ä¸€ä¸ªçŒœæµ‹ï¼Œå› ä¸ºä»Šå¤©è¿™ä¸ªä¸–ç•Œå‘生什么,我们è°éƒ½ä¸çŸ¥é“ã€‚åœ¨æ²¡æœ‰å¤§çš„é»‘å¤©é¹…çš„æƒ…å†µä¸‹ï¼ŒæŒ‰ç…§çŽ°åœ¨è¿™æ ·ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬å¯¹æ˜Žå¹´äº’è”网业务的增长是有信心的。但是应该是一个比较稳定的,然åŽä¹Ÿä¸ä¼šé‚£ä¹ˆå¿«çš„一个增长。 我们公å¸å†…部对互è”ç½‘ä¸šåŠ¡çš„è€ƒæ ¸ä¹Ÿå®Œå…¨æ˜¯ä»Žè¿™ä¸ªï¼Œä¸èƒ½å«å®Œå…¨ï¼Œæœ€ç»ˆçš„è€ƒæ ¸ç‚¹æ˜¯åœ¨æ”¶å…¥å’Œåˆ©æ¶¦çŽ‡ã€‚æˆ‘ä»¬äº’è”网今天已ç»ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬åœ¨å†…éƒ¨çš„æ€æƒ³å°±æ˜¯è¯´å®ƒæ˜¯çް金æµä¸šåŠ¡ï¼Œä¹Ÿæ˜¯ä¸ªç¨³å¥çš„ä¸šåŠ¡ã€‚æˆ‘ä»¬æ—¢ç„¶èŽ·å¾—äº†ä¸€å—æ ¹æ®åœ°ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬å°±æ…¢æ…¢çš„ä¸æ–的去让它更好的去给集团贡献利润。好的,谢谢。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:19:55Thank you. Thank you. Please move to the next question, please. Operator00:20:07Thank you. Our next question comes from Yanglong Chen with CITIC Securities. Please go ahead. 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Operator00:28:11Thank you. Our next question comes from Yanni Su with HuaTai Securities. Please go ahead. Yanni SuEquity Research Analyst at HuaTai Securities00:28:19感谢管ç†å±‚。我们看到今年年åˆä»¥æ¥ï¼Œå…¬å¸æ¯ä¸ªå£åº¦éƒ½åœ¨ä¸æ–å‡äºã€‚想问一下我们åŽç»å¯¹äºŽå‡äºçš„节å¥å’Œå…·ä½“规划有没有一些展望?å¦å¤–æ˜¯å¦æœ‰æ˜Žç¡®çš„å¯ä»¥å®žçŽ°ç›ˆåˆ©çš„æ—¶é—´è¡¨ï¼Ÿè°¢è°¢ã€‚ Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:28:37好的。我也æ¥å›žç”这个问题。å‡äºè‚¯å®šæ˜¯æˆ‘们é‡ä¸ä¹‹é‡ã€‚今天所有的ä¼ä¸šéƒ½åœ¨é«˜å–Šç€é™æœ¬å¢žæ•ˆï¼Œå¯¹æˆ‘们æ¥è¯´ä¹Ÿæ˜¯ã€‚我们今年肯定实现了一定规模å‡äºã€‚但是我想说这个å‡äºï¼Œç”±äºŽæˆ‘们å‚与了大è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹çš„ä¸€äº›ç ”å‘å’Œè®ç»ƒï¼Œæ‰€ä»¥ä½¿æˆ‘们这个节å¥è¿˜æ”¾æ…¢äº†ä¸€ç‚¹ç‚¹ã€‚但这一轮我们å‘完MOE以åŽï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬ä¼šæŠŠæˆ‘ä»¬æ›´å¤šçš„åŠ›é‡æ”¾åœ¨Agent的开å‘和这个机器人的Agent相关的è½åœ°ä¸Šã€‚è¿™æ ·çš„ç ”å‘æˆæœ¬ä¼šæ¯”过去è®ç»ƒå¤§è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹è¦å‡ä½Žä¸å°‘。我们内部肯定是有一定å‡äºçš„ï¼Œåæ£æ˜¯ä¸“é—¨åˆ¶å®šäº†å‡äºè®¡åˆ’å’ŒåŒ…æ‹¬ç›ˆåˆ©çš„æ—¶é—´è¡¨ã€‚ä½†æ˜¯æˆ‘è§‰å¾—å› ä¸ºå¸‚åœºä¸æ–在å˜åŒ–,技术也在å˜åŒ–,我们å¯èƒ½è¿™ä¸ªä¸ä¼šä½œä¸ºä¸€ä¸ªç‰¹åˆ«å¯¹å¤–去讲的一个éžå¸¸æ¸…æ™°çš„æ—¶é—´è¡¨ã€‚å› ä¸ºçŽ°åœ¨æˆ‘è®¤ä¸ºè¿™ä¸€æ³¢ï¼Œåˆšæ‰é‚£ä¸ªæœ‹å‹æé—®çš„说机器人è®ç»ƒæ–¹é¢çš„ä¸€äº›è¿›å±•ï¼Œå› ä¸ºæˆ‘ä»¬çŽ°åœ¨çœ‹åˆ°äº†ä¸€äº›å•†ä¸šçš„æœºä¼šã€‚æˆ‘ä»¬ä¹Ÿçœ‹åˆ°æœåŠ¡æœºå™¨äººç”±äºŽå¤§è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹çš„åŠ æŒï¼Œæ— 论是它的底层的规划能力ã€ä»»åС决ç–能力,包括它的交互能力,我们认为都会有ä¸é”™çš„一个æå‡ï¼Œç„¶åŽä¼šæ‰©å¤§å®ƒçš„在å„ä¸ªå¸‚åœºçš„è¿™ç§æ»¡æ„度,会扩大这个市场。所以我们也是è¦ä¿æŒä¸€å®šçš„çµæ´»æ€§ã€‚å¦‚æžœä¸€æ—¦æœ‰è¿™æ ·çš„æœºä¼šï¼Œå¯èƒ½æˆ‘ä»¬åœ¨ç ”å‘ä¸Šè¿˜ä¼šå†æœ‰ä¸€äº›è¿™æ ·çš„æŠ•入。当然整体æ¥è¯´ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬è‚¯å®šä¼šè¦æŠŠå…¬å¸å˜å¾—盈利,然åŽä¸ºè‚¡ä¸œåˆ›é€ ä»·å€¼ï¼Œè¿™ä¸ªå¤§ç›®æ ‡æ˜¯æ¯«æ— ç–‘é—®çš„ã€‚å¥½å§ï¼Œè°¢è°¢ã€‚ Yanni SuEquity Research Analyst at HuaTai Securities00:30:29好嘞,谢谢。有没有其他问题了? Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:30:36Operator, please move to the next question, please. Operator00:30:40Thank you. Our next question comes from Chuanlu Yin with Sealand Securities. Please go ahead. Chuanlu YinSealand Securities at VP00:30:48感谢管ç†å±‚给我æé—®çš„æœºä¼šã€‚æˆ‘è¿™è¾¹æœ‰ä¸€ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ï¼Œä¸»è¦æ˜¯æƒ³é—®ä¸€ä¸‹æ‚¨å¦‚何看待AI Agent以åŠè¿™å—的技术难易程度如何?比如我们最近看到智谱的AI Agentå·²ç»å¯ä»¥å¸®åŠ©ç”¨æˆ·åŽ»åœ¨ç™¾åº¦åœ°å›¾ï¼Œè¿˜æœ‰åƒç¾Žå›¢ä¸Šé¢æŸ¥è¯¢å’Œä¸‹å•ä¹‹ç±»çš„åŠŸèƒ½ã€‚ç„¶åŽæƒ³é—®ä¸€ä¸‹AI AgentåŽç»èƒ½å¦åŠ é€Ÿå¤§æ¨¡åž‹åœ¨C端的è½åœ°ï¼Œæˆ‘们应该如何去æ€è€ƒè¿™å…¶ä¸çš„价值分é…?谢谢。 Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:31:22å¥½çš„ï¼Œè°¢è°¢ä½ çš„æé—®ã€‚这个æé—®ä¹ŸæŒºä¸“业的。我觉得Agent这个è¯çš„ç«çˆ†å°±æ˜¯åœ¨æœ€è¿‘特别ç«çˆ†ã€‚其实Agent本质上它更趋å‘äºŽä¼ ç»Ÿçš„ä¸€äº›ä»¥å‰å«ä»€ä¹ˆRPAé‚£ç§è½¯ä»¶åŸºå› ,其实它就是由于Agent的出现,本质上是由于模型能力没有达到那ç§å°±æ˜¯è§å•¥å°±èƒ½å¹²å•¥çš„åŸºç¡€ã€‚ç„¶åŽæˆ‘们è¦ç”¨äººçš„一部分的æ€ç»´é“¾å’Œäººçš„一部分规划去指导大模型。就我写好1ã€2ã€3ã€4ã€5ï¼Œä½ åŽ»è¿™ä¹ˆå¼„ï¼Œå¼„å®Œä»¥åŽè¿™ä¸ªæ•ˆæžœï¼ŒåŒ…æ‹¬ä½ çœ‹åˆ°æ™ºè°±é‚£ä¸ªæ‰€è°“çš„è¿™äº›ã€‚æˆ‘è§‰å¾—è¿™è‚¯å®šæ˜¯ToC软件上的一个范å¼çš„æ”¹å˜ã€‚就以剿ˆ‘们è¦åŽ»å†™ä¸ªToC软件,必须完全é 大é‡çš„代ç 和逻辑去完æˆï¼Œè€Œä»Šå¤©å¾ˆå¤šçš„代ç 和逻辑由大è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹æ¥åšäº†ã€‚那么对C端的这ç§è½¯ä»¶çš„ç ”å‘çš„æˆæœ¬çš„é™ä½Žï¼Œè¿˜æœ‰å®ƒçš„用户体验的满æ„度的增高,的确是很大的机会。这个我得说,就我们自己也有,就看到我们互è”网业务也在有一些这方é¢çš„å°è¯•。但是我想说Agent这件事,就是能够去完æˆè¿™äº›æŸ¥è¯¢ä¹Ÿå¥½ï¼Œä¸‹å•也好,这个它è¦è¾¾åˆ°ä¼ 统那ç§ç³»ç»Ÿçš„é‚£ç§é«˜åº¦çš„稳定性和满æ„åº¦ã€‚ä»€ä¹ˆæ„æ€å‘¢ï¼Ÿå°±æ¯”å¦‚æˆ‘ç»™å®ƒä¸€ä¸ªæŒ‡ä»¤ï¼Œå®ƒæ˜¯ä¸æ˜¯ä¸€å®šèƒ½åšåˆ°æˆ‘想查的东西?这是大è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹ä»Šå¤©åœ¨C端也好,B端è½åœ°çš„ä¸€ä¸ªå¾ˆå…³é”®çš„ç‚¹ï¼Œè¿™ä¸€ç‚¹ä¸æ˜¯å¤ªå®¹æ˜“被业内的æåŠï¼Œä½†æˆ‘们自己在åšçš„æ—¶å€™å‘çŽ°è¿™ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ã€‚æ¯”å¦‚ä½ ç”¨ä¼ ç»Ÿä»£ç åŽ»å®žçŽ°ï¼Œä½ é€‰ä¸ä¸€ä¸ªç‚¹åŽ»ä¸‹ä¸€ä¸ªå•ï¼Œå› ä¸ºäººéƒ½æ˜¯éžå¸¸ç²¾å‡†æ“ä½œï¼ŒåŸºæœ¬ä¸Šä½ çš„æ“作是100%的有效性的,对å§ï¼Ÿè¿™ä¸ªAgent它有的时候会失效,它有的时候会ä¸å¦‚ä½ çš„é¢„æœŸï¼Œæœ‰æ—¶å€™å¯èƒ½ä¼šç»™ä½ 查错。而大è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹å«ä¸çŸ¥é“自己ä¸çŸ¥é“,它有幻觉。所以这个点是Agent能够真æ£çš„è½åœ°ï¼Œåœ¨è¿™æ–¹é¢è¦éžå¸¸éžå¸¸æŠ•å…¥å¾ˆå¤šç²¾åŠ›çš„ã€‚å½“ç„¶å›žåˆ°ä½ æœ€åŽé‚£ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯è¯´å¯¹C端è½åœ°èƒ½åŠ é€Ÿå¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”ç”¨åœ¨C端è½åœ°å—?那一定å¯ä»¥çš„,尤其在很多C端的APP上,今天已ç»å¼€å§‹æœ‰ä¸€äº›APP开始改用AgentåŽ»ï¼Œæ¯”å¦‚è¯´æˆ‘ä¸¾å‡ ä¸ªä¾‹å,åƒç¿»è¯‘类的,åƒä¸€äº›æ•™è‚²ç±»çš„,这个明显已ç»å¼€å§‹äº†ã€‚å¯¹ï¼Œä»·å€¼åˆ†é…æˆ‘觉得还是会带æ¥ä¸€æ³¢åšåº”用的厂商的崛起的。这是我的看法。但是我个人在对C端的国内的C端Agentè½åœ°ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ä½œä¸ºåˆ›ä¸šå…¬å¸ï¼Œæˆ‘䏿˜¯ç‰¹åˆ«çœ‹å¥½ï¼Œå› 为国内的大厂商在这方é¢çš„能力实在是太强了,而且对于他们æ¥è¯´åšèµ·æ¥ä¹Ÿä¼šéžå¸¸éžå¸¸çš„å¿«ã€‚æ‰€ä»¥å¦‚æžœåœ¨ä¸€ä¸ªäººå®¶ç†Ÿæ‚‰çš„é¢†åŸŸï¼Œä½ åšä¸€ä¸ªå°çš„创新,应该很快的就会被跟上å§ã€‚谢谢。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:34:40Operator, please move to the next question. Thank you. Operator00:34:44Thank you. Our next question comes from Yi Zhu with Founder Securities. Please go ahead. Yi ZhuAnalyst at Founder Securities00:34:52领导好,我想请教一下关于大模型在B端应用方é¢çš„å‡ ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ã€‚å› ä¸ºæˆ‘ä»¬ä¹Ÿçœ‹åˆ°å…¬å¸ä»Šå¹´åœ¨å¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”用上进行了ä¸å°‘探索,也涉åŠåˆ°äº†BIã€åŸ¹è®ã€é”€å”®ç®¡ç†è¿™äº›é¢†åŸŸã€‚所以我想请问一下,我们公å¸ç›®å‰çœ‹åˆ°ä¼ä¸šå®¢æˆ·å¯¹å¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”ç”¨çš„ä»˜è´¹æ„æ„¿å¤§æ¦‚是到什么程度?这是第一个问题。然åŽç¬¬äºŒä¸ªé—®é¢˜ï¼Œæˆ‘想请问一下,目å‰è¿™äº›åº”ç”¨æ˜¯ä¸æ˜¯è¿˜å±€é™åœ¨å®¹é”™çŽ‡æ¯”è¾ƒé«˜çš„ä¸€äº›å·¥ä½œåœºæ™¯ï¼Ÿæœªæ¥éšç€æŠ€æœ¯çš„è¿›æ¥ï¼Œç‰¹åˆ«æ˜¯Agentçš„å‡ºçŽ°ï¼Œæ˜¯ä¸æ˜¯èƒ½å¤Ÿä¸€å®šç¨‹åº¦ä¸Šæ”¹å–„大模型的幻觉,从而使得这些应用能够实现更多对人工的替代?以上,谢谢。 Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:35:35对,问那个。这个问题本身就已ç»å¾ˆè¯´æ˜Žé—®é¢˜äº†ã€‚就是讲的,我觉得基本上一些点都讲到了。就是第一,就是我觉得ä¼ä¸šå®¢æˆ·å¯¹å¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”ç”¨çš„ä»˜è´¹æ„æ„¿å®Œå…¨å–决于这个应用能够给他带æ¥å¤šå°‘çš„æŠ•å…¥äº§å‡ºæ¯”ã€‚è€Œä¸”æœ‰ä¸€ç‚¹æ˜¯éœ€è¦æ³¨æ„ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯è¿™ä¸ªæŠ•å…¥äº§å‡ºæ¯”è¿˜å¾—é«˜ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯è¦æ¯”较高æ‰è¡Œã€‚å› ä¸ºæœ¬è´¨ä¸Šæ„味ç€è¿™ä¸ªä¼ä¸šå¯¹å®ƒæ•´ä¸ªå†…部的很多æµç¨‹çš„å†é€ ,还有包括一些岗ä½çš„釿–°å®šä¹‰ï¼Œè¿™å¯¹ä¸€ä¸ªä¼ä¸šæ¥è¯´ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯å¦‚果没有足够高的价值的è¯ï¼Œä»–ä»¬ä¹Ÿæ²¡æœ‰æ„æ„¿æ„¿æ„去推动的。 ç›®å‰çœ‹èµ·æ¥ï¼Œæˆ‘觉得这个ä¼ä¸šå®¢æˆ·å¯¹å¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”用付费的çƒåº¦ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æ€Žä¹ˆè¯´å‘¢ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯è¶Šæ¥è¶Šè¶‹äºŽç†æ€§ã€‚我知é“的是去年很多ä¼ä¸šä¸ºäº†ä¸€ä¸ªå¤§æ¨¡åž‹çš„æŽˆæƒæˆ–ç§æœ‰åŒ–授æƒéƒ½èŠ±è¿‡ä¸å°‘钱。今年就明显的大家就ä¸å†åŽ»ä¸ºè¿™äº›åŽ»ä»˜è´¹äº†ï¼Œæˆ–è€…å¾ˆå°‘äº†ã€‚è€Œæ›´å¤šè¯´ä½ èƒ½ç»™æˆ‘æä¾›ä¸€ä¸ªæ€Žæ ·çš„直接能够好用的东西。 ç„¶åŽä½ 问的这个,就是目å‰å¤§æ¨¡åž‹ç”¨çš„确是在容错率比较高的具体场景,比如说刚培è®ï¼Œä¸€äº›é”€å”®çš„æ€»ç»“这些方é¢ã€‚å› ä¸ºå®ƒå³ä¾¿æ˜¯ç¨å¾®æœ‰ä¸€ç‚¹ç‚¹ä¸å‡†ä¹Ÿéƒ½è¿˜å¥½ï¼Œå¯¹å§ï¼Ÿå°±æ˜¯ä½ 大致看到一个大概的,或者说能达到,比如培è®è¿™ä»¶äº‹ï¼Œèƒ½è¾¾åˆ°90%以上的准确率,就能大é‡çš„æŽ¥å—äººå·¥ã€‚ä½†æ˜¯åœ¨ä¸€äº›æ¯”å¦‚è¯´æ•°æ®æ´žå¯Ÿè¿™äº›æ–¹é¢ï¼Œæˆ‘觉得还是在整个行业都在一起慢慢的摸索。 Agent是出现了是能够有效æå‡å¹¶ä¸”æ”¹å–„å¤§æ¨¡åž‹çš„å¹»è§‰é—®é¢˜çš„ã€‚å› ä¸ºAgentæœ¬èº«å°±æ˜¯ä¼ ç»Ÿçš„ä¸€äº›ä»£ç 也好,任务规划也好,去把大模型的能力框在一个特别垂直的场景当ä¸ã€‚这个时候当大模型的场景特别垂直的时候,它的这ç§å‡ºé”™æ¦‚率就会é™ä½Žã€‚尤其这一波大模型现在的能力已ç»åˆ°è¿™ä¸ªæ°´å¹³äº†ï¼Œå¤§å®¶éƒ½åœ¨Agent上投入的时候。所以对大模型在B端这ç§åº”ç”¨ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ä¸€å®šä¼šé€æ¥çš„实现越æ¥è¶Šå¤šçš„æ›¿ä»£ã€‚ 这里æ£å¥½æˆ‘结åˆä¸Šä¸ªé—®é¢˜æˆ‘也讲个例å,就是说今天如果我们åšå¤§æ¨¡åž‹çš„应用,如果它是一个泛的应用,它ç†è®ºä¸Šå°±å¾ˆéš¾åŽ»è®©å®¢æˆ·è¶³å¤Ÿæ»¡æ„。这是我们ç»è¿‡è¿™ä¹ˆä¹…的摸索。我举个例åï¼Œæ¯”å¦‚è¯´ä½ åƒä¸çŸ¥é“大家买了苹果最新的手机没有,对å§ï¼Ÿæˆ‘也专门买了一个能用海外版的去å°è¯•ã€‚ä½ å°±å‘现它能够真æ£ä½“现出æ¥å°±å¾ˆå°‘,这个体验就没有那么强。然åŽåŒ…括微软推的Copilotï¼Œæˆ‘è®¤ä¸ºè¿™ä¸¤ç±»åº”ç”¨éƒ½æ˜¯æŠŠå®ƒçš„ï¼Œå› ä¸ºä»–ä»¬å¤§å…¬å¸æŠŠå®ƒå®šä¹‰çš„éƒ½è¿‡äºŽå®½æ³›ã€‚è¿™ä¸€ç‚¹ä¸Šæˆ‘è§‰å¾—ï¼Œä½†ä»–ä»¬åæ£æœ‰æ—¶é—´ï¼Œæœ‰è¶³å¤Ÿçš„å•†ä¸šé—环,他就慢慢的在这个方å‘èµ°ã€‚è€Œä½œä¸ºåƒæˆ‘ä»¬è¿™æ ·çš„ä¼ä¸šï¼Œå°±ä¸€å®šå¾—去åšå¥½éžå¸¸æ¸…æ™°çš„åž‚ç›´çš„åº”ç”¨ã€‚ç„¶åŽæˆ‘们的æ€è·¯æ˜¯ä¸€ä¸ªç‚¹æ‰“é€ï¼Œç„¶åŽå®žçްå¯å¤åˆ¶ï¼Œå†åˆ°ä¸‹ä¸€ä¸ªç‚¹ã€‚ 所以对,基本上是这么一个我的一些ç†è§£ï¼Œè°¢è°¢ã€‚ Yi ZhuAnalyst at Founder Securities00:39:02明白,感谢。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:39:08Operator, please move to the next question, please. Thank you. Operator00:39:12No problem. And our next question comes from Bensheng Wu with CS Global. Please go ahead. Bensheng WuAnalyst at CS Global00:39:19感谢公å¸ç»™æˆ‘çš„æé—®æœºä¼šï¼Œä¹Ÿæƒ³è¯·æ•™ä¸€ä¸‹å‰¯æ€»ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æœ€è¿‘大家讨论了很多关于Scaling Law放缓的一个问题,想问一下您的一些观点,以åŠå°±æ˜¯è¯´åœ¨æ•´ä¸ªScaling Law放缓的背景下é¢ï¼Œå¯¹äºŽæ•´ä¸ªå¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”用的一些行业å‘展有什么影å“? 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Operator, please move to the next question. Operator00:42:39Thank you. Our next question comes from Alex Wang with SDICS International. Please go ahead. Alex WangEquity Research Analyst at SDIC Securities International00:42:48è°¢è°¢çŽ‹æ€»æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚我这边想请教一下关于机器人方é¢çš„é—®é¢˜ã€‚æƒ³è¯·æ•™ä¸€ä¸‹å‰¯æ€»å¦‚ä½•çœ‹å¾…è¿‡åŽ»å‡ ä¸ªæœˆæœºå™¨äººè¡Œä¸šè¶‹åŠ¿çš„ä¸€äº›å˜åŒ–,å¦å¤–就是大模型对于机器人è½åœ°æœ‰å“ªäº›æŽ¨åŠ¨ä½œç”¨ï¼Œè¿˜æœ‰å°±æ˜¯æ‚¨å¦‚ä½•çœ‹å¾…æœºå™¨äººè¡Œä¸šæœªæ¥çš„ç«žäº‰æ ¼å±€ï¼Œè°¢è°¢ã€‚ Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:43:13å¯¹ï¼Œä¸ºäº†è¿‡åŽ»å‡ ä¸ªæœˆè¶‹åŠ¿çš„å˜åŒ–ï¼Œæˆ‘å°±æ„Ÿè§‰åˆ°æœºå™¨äººè¿™è¡Œä¸šåˆæœ‰å¤§æ¨¡åž‹è¿™ä¸ªæ¦‚念å˜å¾—è¶Šæ¥è¶Šç«äº†ã€‚ç„¶åŽç”±äºŽæœ‰äº†ç‰¹æ–¯æ‹‰çš„æ“Žå¤©æŸ±çš„åŠ å…¥ï¼Œè¿™ä¸ªäººå½¢æœºå™¨äººå˜å¾—æžåº¦ç«äº†ã€‚ä½†æ˜¯æˆ‘è¿˜æ˜¯åšæŒæˆ‘的观点,就机器人它是一个太泛的一个è¯äº†ã€‚所以大家æèµ·æ¥çš„æ—¶å€™æ€»æ˜¯ä»¥äººåšæœ¬ä½“åšä¸€ä¸ªå¹»æƒ³ï¼ŒåŽ»åšä¸€ä¸ªå®Œç¾Žçš„产å“,然åŽå°±èƒ½è§£å†³æ‰€æœ‰çš„问题。事实上我认为这个路径至少是éžå¸¸éš¾çš„。 我们å¯ä»¥å›žé¡¾ä¸€ä¸‹å½“年自动驾驶的时候,最早的时候实际上是两个路线在竞争,一个路线就是以谷æŒä¸ºé¦–çš„Waymo路线,他们是追求一å°è½¦æ‰“é€ å¾—è¶³å¤Ÿå¥½ï¼Œç”¨æ›´å¤šçš„ä¼ æ„Ÿå™¨ï¼Œå¾ˆè´µçš„æ¿€å…‰é›·è¾¾ï¼Œéžå¸¸å®Œç¾Žçš„算法去实现这个个体的相当强,然åŽåŽ»å®žçŽ°è‡ªåŠ¨é©¾é©¶è½åœ°ã€‚而å¦ä¸€æ¡è·¯çº¿æ˜¯ç‰¹æ–¯æ‹‰ä¸ºå½“时的那æ¡è·¯çº¿ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æˆ‘没有想到我一定能åšåˆ°ï¼Œé‚£ä¹ˆæˆ‘å°±å…ˆç”¨è§†è§‰ä¼ æ„Ÿå™¨ï¼Œä¸æ–åŠ ä¼ æ„Ÿå™¨ï¼Œæœ€åŽå‘现视觉å¯ä»¥ï¼Œç„¶åŽç”¨æ›´å¤šæœºå™¨åœ¨å„地跑的数æ®è¿›è¡Œç«¯åˆ°ç«¯çš„è®ç»ƒã€‚到今天我们基本上å¯ä»¥è¯´ï¼Œå¯¹å§ï¼Ÿç¬¬äºŒæ¡å°±æ˜¯éšç€å¯¹åœºæ™¯çš„æ·±å…¥å’Œæ•°æ®çš„䏿–的摸索,实现了这个技术的演化,比当åˆçš„完美的设想,最高质é‡çš„å·¥ç¨‹å¸ˆï¼Œæœ€ç‰›çš„ä¼ æ„Ÿå™¨è¿™æ¡è·¯çº¿ï¼Œç›®å‰çœ‹èµ·æ¥è‚¯å®šæ˜¯è¿™é‡Œèµ°å¾—è¦å¥½å¾—多。 æ‰€ä»¥æˆ‘è§‰å¾—æœºå™¨äººä¹Ÿåº”è¯¥æ˜¯è¿™æ ·çš„ï¼Œå®ƒä¸å¤ªä¼šå‡ºçŽ°ä¸€ä¸ªè·Ÿäººä¸€æ ·ä»€ä¹ˆéƒ½åŽ»å®Œæˆã€‚那个其实我们自己想想,人也ä¸è¡Œï¼Œäººæœ€åŽè¿˜å¾—去开个å‰è½¦åŽ»å¹²ä»€ä¹ˆï¼ŒæŽ¨ä¸ªå°è½¦åŽ»å¹²ä»€ä¹ˆï¼ŒåŽ»ç”¨ä¸€äº›å·¥å…·çš„è¾…åŠ©æ‰èƒ½å®žçŽ°æ›´å¤šè½åœ°ã€‚所以今天我认为这段时间机器人特别ç«ï¼Œå·¨å£°æ™ºèƒ½æ¦‚念特别ç«ï¼Œä½†äº‹å®žä¸Šå’Œè½åœ°è¿˜æ˜¯æœ‰æŒºå¤§å·®è·çš„。 大è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹å¤§å®¶éƒ½æåˆ°å¹»è§‰é—®é¢˜ï¼Œå…¶å®žå®ƒåŒè¯é£Žæ ¼å®ƒæœ¬èº«å°±åšä¸€ä¸ªåŸºç¡€ç®—æ³•ï¼Œå®ƒå°±æœ‰è¿™æ ·çš„é—®é¢˜ã€‚åœ¨è¯è¨€ä¸Šæœ‰çš„æ—¶å€™å›žç”å·®ä¸å¤šä½ 也觉得å¯ä»¥ï¼Œä½†çœŸæ£åœ¨æ¯”如说实现一些动作的æ“作上,一些跟物体的接触上,它是ä¸èƒ½æœ‰è¿™æ ·çš„错误的。而这个错误è¦ä¸€æ—¦å‡ºçŽ°ï¼Œå°±ä¼šå¯¼è‡´è¿™ä¸ªæœºå™¨è½åœ°éžå¸¸éš¾ï¼Œå¯¹å§ï¼Ÿæˆ‘举个例å,比如我们在é¤åŽ…åœ¨ä¸€äº›åœºæ™¯çš„æŽ¥å¾…ï¼Œä½ å°±å‘çŽ°ä½ è¦åœ¨æ²¡æœ‰äººåŽ»ç›‘ç®¡å®ƒçš„æƒ…å†µä¸‹ï¼Œä¸€å¤©è·‘ä¸ªåå‡ ä¸ªå°æ—¶ï¼Œè·‘å‡ å上百趟,然åŽä¸€å¹´è¿™æ ·åœ¨å‡ åƒä¸ªåœºæ™¯éƒ½ä¸èƒ½å‡ºé”™ã€‚å‡ºä¸€ç‚¹ç‚¹é”™å¯¹ä½ çš„å®¢æˆ·çš„ä¿¡å¿ƒï¼Œè¿˜æœ‰å®¢æˆ·èƒ½å¦è§‰å¾—好用都是巨大的担心。 æ‰€ä»¥æˆ‘è®¤ä¸ºå¤§æ¨¡åž‹å¯¹æœºå™¨äººçš„å¤§æ–¹å‘æ˜¯ä¸€å®šæœ‰å¸®åŠ©çš„ï¼Œä½†æ˜¯çœŸæ£è½åœ°çš„æ—¶å€™åº”该是结åˆåœºæ™¯ä¸€ç‚¹ç‚¹æŽ¨è¿›ã€‚所以这也是为什么我ä¸å¤ªçœ‹å¥½äººå½¢æœºå™¨äººçš„ä¸€ä¸ªæ ¸å¿ƒåŽŸå› ã€‚æˆ‘è§‰å¾—æœºå™¨äººæœªæ¥çš„æ ¼å±€è¿™ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ç‰¹åˆ«å¤§ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æˆ‘相信最终å¯èƒ½ä¼šåƒå½“时我举了个例åï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æ›´å¤šçš„åŠ¡å®žçš„æœºå™¨äººåŽ‚å•†çš„ä¸æ–出现,在一个场景里é¢åŽ»æ‰“ç£¨ï¼Œé‡Œé¢å‡ºæ¥çš„æœ€åŽçš„竞争者会胜出。我ä¸å¤ªçœ‹å¥½ä»Šå¤©æå‡ºä¸€ä¸ªå¾ˆå¤§çš„æ¦‚念,然åŽå°±åŽ»æœç€ç™»æœˆè¡ŒåŠ¨åŽ»åšï¼Œè¿™ä¹ˆåŽ»ã€‚è¿™ä¸ªèƒ½å¤Ÿèƒœå‡ºå§ã€‚ å› ä¸ºå…¶ä¸è¿˜æœ‰ä¸€ä¸ªåŸºç¡€çš„逻辑是什么,就是说机器人它是一个硬件和软件高度结åˆçš„这么一个产业,而里é¢çš„硬件体系åˆå¾ˆå¤æ‚,它还ä¸åƒæ±½è½¦ï¼Œå®ƒæ›´å¤šæ˜¯è½®å结构什么的,它有很多的机械结构在里é¢ã€‚而机械结构的硬件体系的进æ¥ï¼Œå®ƒæ˜¯ä¸æ˜¯é æ‘©å°”å®šå¾‹æ”¯æ’‘çš„ï¼Œè½¯ä»¶ä½ å¯ä»¥18ä¸ªæœˆä»€ä¹ˆæˆæœ¬é™ä¸€åŠï¼Œæ€§èƒ½å¥½ä¸€å€ï¼Œç¡¬ä»¶å®ƒå°±å¾—一点点磨。汽车到今天都100年了,100多年了,对å§ï¼Ÿæ‰æœ‰è¿™æ¬¡æ™ºèƒ½è½¦çš„å˜é©ã€‚ 所以我觉得未æ¥åº”è¯¥è¿˜æ˜¯ï¼Œåæ£æˆ‘ä»¬æ˜¯åšå®šæˆ‘们自己这æ¡è·¯çš„ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ä¸æ–地跟场景的结åˆï¼Œåœ¨è¿™ä¸ªä»¥è½®å¼ä¸ºåŸºç¡€çš„,然åŽå†åŠ ä¸€äº›æœºæ¢°è‡‚å’Œä¸€äº›åœ¨ä¸€äº›åˆšéœ€ç—›ç‚¹çš„åœºæ™¯åŠ æœºæ¢°è‡‚åŽ»å®Œæˆä¸€äº›é«˜è´¨é‡çš„高å¯é 性的动作,去实现更大的扩展。好,谢谢。 Alex WangEquity Research Analyst at SDIC Securities International00:47:53好的,谢谢,没有更多问题。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:48:00Thank you. Please move to the next question, please. Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:48:04Thank you. Our next question today comes from Yunpeng Diao with Guotai Junan Securities. Please go ahead. Yunpeng DiaoAnalyst at Guotai Junan Securities00:48:14Hi, management. Thanks for taking my question. We have noticed that you have a large amount of net cash on your balance sheet. Do you have any plan of dividend distribution or share repurchase in the future? Thank you. Yunpeng DiaoAnalyst at Guotai Junan Securities00:48:28谢谢管ç†å±‚æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚我的问题就是公å¸è´¦ä¸ŠçŽ°é‡‘æ¯”è¾ƒå¤šï¼Œæœªæ¥æ˜¯å¦æœ‰å›žè´æˆ–者分红的计划?谢谢。 Thomas RenCFO at Cheetah Mobile00:48:41好,我æ¥å›žç”这个问题。我是公å¸CFO Thomas。谢谢您的æé—®ã€‚首先猎豹对股东回报一直是比较开放的æ€åº¦ï¼Œæˆ‘们管ç†å±‚也是éžå¸¸é‡è§†è‚¡ä¸œå›žæŠ¥çš„。在历å²ä¸Šæˆ‘们å¯ä»¥çœ‹åˆ°æˆ‘ä»¬æ›¾ç»æ´¾è¿‡ä¸¤æ¬¡çš„è‚¡æ¯ï¼Œä¹Ÿæ›¾åšè¿‡å¤šæ¬¡çš„回è´çš„计划。两次派æ¯ä¹Ÿæ˜¯åŸºäºŽæˆ‘们有é‡è¦çš„æŠ•资项目获得了退出,å–得了现金的回报,然åŽå›žé¦ˆç»™äº†æˆ‘ä»¬çš„è‚¡ä¸œã€‚ä½†æ˜¯æœªæ¥æ˜¯ä¸æ˜¯ä¼šåˆ†çº¢æˆ–è€…å…¶ä»–çš„æ‰‹æ®µï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬å…¶å®žè¿˜æœ‰å¾ˆå¤šçš„å› ç´ è¦åŽ»è€ƒé‡ã€‚比如我们之å‰å‰¯æ€»ä¹Ÿæåˆ°è¿‡ï¼Œæˆ‘们其实在技术上还有一些投入è¦åšï¼ŒåŒ…括我们的业务也是从PoCå‘PoB在转型。å‘展AI大模型和机器人业务也需è¦ä¸€å®šçš„æŠ•å…¥ã€‚åŒæ—¶æˆ‘们也觉得在目å‰å…¶å®žæ•´ä½“çš„ç»æµŽçŽ¯å¢ƒä¸æ˜¯å¾ˆç¡®å®šï¼Œå¯¹äºŽæˆ‘们æ¥è®²ä¿æŒæ¯”较充足的现金储备和业务的å‘展也是比较é‡è¦çš„。所以我们未æ¥ä¼šç»§ç»ä¿æŒä¸€ä¸ªæ¯”较谨慎的财务ç–略,确ä¿å…¬å¸åœ¨é¢å¯¹å¸‚åœºæ³¢åŠ¨çš„æ—¶å€™æœ‰è¶³å¤Ÿçš„çµæ´»æ€§å’ŒæŠ—é£Žé™©çš„èƒ½åŠ›ã€‚å¦‚æžœæœªæ¥æˆ‘们董事会有批准åƒå›žè´æˆ–分红的计划,我们会在第一时间å‘市场åšå…¬å‘Šã€‚谢谢。 Yunpeng DiaoAnalyst at Guotai Junan Securities00:50:07好的,谢谢,很清楚。我没有别的问题了。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:50:12谢谢。Operator, please move to the next question. Operator00:50:17Thank you. Our next question comes from Gigi Zhao with GF Securities. Please go ahead. Gigi ZhaoEquity Research Analyst at GF Securities00:50:24谢谢管ç†å±‚给我æé—®çš„æœºä¼šï¼Œç„¶åŽæˆ‘想问一下就是怎么看目å‰å›½å†…大模型的一个å‘展的一个状况和竞争å§ã€‚就比如说就是您在实际的这个æ“作ä¸ï¼Œå¯¹å„家大模型之间从性能和效率的角度æ¥çœ‹æ˜¯å¦æœ‰æ˜¾è‘—的差异,或者说就是说目å‰å¤§æ¨¡åž‹çš„竞争是å¦å·²ç»è¶…越了模型能力本身,未æ¥å¯èƒ½æ›´å¤šæ˜¯å‘产å“åŒ–å’Œç”Ÿæ€æ–¹é¢çš„一个建设。对,以上是我的问题,谢谢。 Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:50:57å¥½çš„ï¼Œæ„Ÿè°¢ä½ çš„é—®é¢˜ã€‚ä½ ä¹ŸçŸ¥é“国内的生æ€å®ƒæ¯”è¾ƒå¤æ‚,我就ä¸å¥½åŽ»è¯„ä»·å“ªä¸€å®¶çš„æ¨¡åž‹äº§å“å¥½ç”¨ï¼Œå¤§å®¶è‡ªå·±ç”¨ç”¨å…¶å®žä¼šæœ‰ä½“æ„Ÿçš„ã€‚æˆ‘æ˜¯å‡ ä¸ªéƒ½ç»å¸¸æ¥å›žç”¨ï¼Œä½†æ˜¯çš„ç¡®å¾—è¯´è¿™ä¸ªä½“éªŒä¸Šè¿˜æ˜¯æœ‰äº›å·®å¼‚çš„ã€‚æˆ‘è§‰å¾—ä»Šå¤©ä½ çš„è¿™ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ä¹Ÿé—®å¾—å¾ˆå¥½ï¼Œå°±æˆ‘è§‰å¾—å¤§æ¨¡åž‹çš„ç«žäº‰å…¶å®žä»Žæœ€å¼€å§‹å°±è¶…è¶Šäº†æ¨¡åž‹èƒ½åŠ›æœ¬èº«ã€‚å› ä¸ºæ¨¡åž‹èƒ½åŠ›è¿™ä»¶äº‹ï¼Œå°±æˆ‘ä»¬æœ€è¿‘æŽ¨äº†ä¸€ä¸ªå«AIæ•°æ®å®çš„è¿™ä¸ªåŠŸèƒ½ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ä½ ä¼šå‘现今天模型本身的能力它就å–决于数æ®ã€‚而今天这个数æ®å› 为在互è”ç½‘ä¸Šå¤§å®¶ä¹Ÿéƒ½æ¯”è¾ƒå…¬å¼€ï¼Œä½ åœ¨æ ‡æ³¨è¿™äº›æ–¹é¢ï¼Œè¿™ä¸ªæ•°æ®çš„高质é‡åŒ–,多花点精力,多åšä¸€äº›å·¥ç¨‹æ–¹é¢çš„äº‹æƒ…ï¼Œä½ çš„æ¨¡åž‹èƒ½åŠ›å°±ä¼šè¿˜ä¸é”™ã€‚ä½ åƒæˆ‘们真æ£åœ¨æˆ‘们è®äº†ä¸¤ä¸ªæ¨¡åž‹ï¼Œä¸€ä¸ªæ˜¯140äº¿å‚æ•°çš„,一个是7×80亿的,70亿乘8çš„MOEçš„ï¼Œå…¶å®žå‡ºæ¥æ¦œå•æˆç»©ä¹Ÿéƒ½ä¸é”™ã€‚å› ä¸ºæˆ‘ä»¬åœ¨è¿™ï¼Œæ‰€ä»¥ä»Šå¤©å…¶å®žå¤§æ¨¡åž‹ç«žäº‰å°±æ›´å¤šçš„è¿˜æ˜¯æ¥è‡ªäºŽä½ 对这件事情的é‡è§†ç¨‹åº¦ï¼Œè¿˜æœ‰æ•°æ®æŠ•入度这些。而我觉得到了这个阶段的确就是今天的竞争一定是走å‘产å“化和生æ€å»ºè®¾äº†ã€‚å°±è°èƒ½å¤ŸåŽ»çœŸæ£é€šè¿‡äº§å“的体验的改善去完æˆå¯¹ç”¨æˆ·çš„æ»¡æ„åº¦çš„å¢žåŠ ï¼Œè°å°±èƒ½æœ‰æœºä¼šèƒœå‡ºã€‚åº•å±‚æ¨¡åž‹çš„ä¸€ç‚¹æŒ‡æ ‡çš„å·®è·ï¼Œæˆ‘觉得已ç»ä¸å½±å“è¿™ä»¶äº‹æƒ…äº†ã€‚ä½ çœ‹æ¦œå•ä¸Šä»Šå¤©è¿™ä¸ªä¸Šï¼Œæ˜Žå¤©é‚£ä¸ªä¸Šï¼Œä¸€ä¼šå„¿åˆæ¥ä¸ªè¿™ä¸ªä¸Šï¼Œå…¶å®žæˆ‘觉得这件事å¯èƒ½å·²ç»pass了,就产å“化和生æ€å»ºè®¾ã€‚连è¨é»˜ç‰¹æ›¼åœ¨å‰ä¸ä¹…æœ‰ä¸€æ¬¡è®¿è°ˆæˆ‘çœ‹äº†ï¼Œä»–éƒ½è¯´äººå®¶é—®ä½ OpenAIæœ€æ¬ ç¼ºä»€ä¹ˆï¼Œä»–è¯´æ¬ ç¼ºæ˜¯äº§å“,对å§ï¼Ÿæ‰€ä»¥è¿™ä¸ªå¤§æ¨¡åž‹è¿™æ¬¡AI的进展,我觉得它的速度很快,所以现在已ç»ä»Žæœ€åˆçš„æŠ€æœ¯ç‹‚çƒæˆ–者技术比拼到产å“åŒ–æ¯”æ‹¼å’Œç”Ÿæ€æ¯”拼了。这是一个éžå¸¸æ˜Žæ˜¾çš„é˜¶æ®µã€‚æˆ‘çœ‹æœ€è¿‘æœ‰ä¸€äº›å›½å†…çš„ä¸“å®¶æˆ–è€…åˆ›ä¸šè€…ä¹Ÿåœ¨ææ˜Žå¹´ä¼šæ˜¯ç”Ÿæ€çˆ†å‘年,应用爆å‘年。从原则上我是认å¯è¿™ä¸€ç‚¹çš„ï¼Œå› ä¸ºæ¨¡åž‹çš„èƒ½åŠ›åˆ°äº†ä¸€ä¸ªæ¯”è¾ƒé«˜çš„æ°´å‡†äº†ï¼Œå°±å¤§å®¶å„家都差ä¸å¤ªå¤šã€‚ç„¶åŽå†æƒ³é«˜ä¹Ÿä¸å¤ªå®¹æ˜“了,就刚æ‰è®²è¿‡æ•°æ®çš„这个问题,除éžå‡ºçްæŸç§ç‰¹æ®Šçš„æ–°çš„范å¼ï¼Œç„¶åŽçŽ°åœ¨å¤§å®¶ç²¾åŠ›éƒ½ä¼šå¾€äº§å“和生æ€ä¸ŠåŽ»åšã€‚ç„¶åŽç”±äºŽåˆ°äº†ä¸€å®šçš„æ°´å¹³ï¼Œå¤§å®¶åˆåœ¨è¿™æ–¹é¢æŠ•å…¥ï¼Œé‚£å°±ä¼šåœ¨ç”¨æˆ·çš„ä½“éªŒç‚¹ä¸Šæ›´åŠ é‡è§†ã€‚所以明年我觉得应该在产å“å’Œç”Ÿæ€æ–¹é¢ä¼šæ˜¯ä¸€ä¸ªå¾ˆå¤§çš„一个进展。好,谢谢。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:54:02Thank you. Operator, please move to the next question. Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:54:07Thank you. Our next question comes from Joanna Ma with CMBI. Please go ahead. Joanna MaEquity Research Analyst at CMBI00:54:15谢谢管ç†å±‚æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚ç„¶åŽæˆ‘也是想接ç€åˆšæ‰æ‚¨è¯´çš„,就请教一下关于大模型è®ç»ƒçš„æŠ€æœ¯æ–¹é¢çš„问题。现在ä¸å›½ä¼ä¸šåœ¨å¤§æ¨¡åž‹è®ç»ƒçš„强化å¦ä¹ 的新范å¼ä¹‹ä¸‹ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æŠ€æœ¯èƒ½åŠ›æ˜¯å¦‚ä½•çš„ï¼Ÿå› ä¸ºæˆ‘ä»¬ä¹Ÿäº†è§£åˆ°åƒå¼ºåŒ–å¦ä¹ 的新范å¼ç‰¹ç‚¹ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ç¼ºä¹çްæˆçš„å¼€æºæ¨¡åž‹å’Œå¦æœ¯è®ºæ–‡ä½œä¸ºä¸€ä¸ªç›´æŽ¥çš„å‚考,谢谢。 Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:54:43ä½ è¿™ä¸ªé—®çš„çœŸçš„ç‰¹åˆ«å¦æœ¯åŒ–了。第一,我觉得在强化å¦ä¹ 的范å¼ä¸‹ï¼Œä¸å›½ä¼ä¸šçš„æŠ€æœ¯èƒ½åŠ›å…¶å®žå¹¶ä¸å·®çš„。强化å¦ä¹ è¿™ä¸ªäº‹æƒ…ä¹Ÿä¸æ˜¯ä»Šå¤©æ‰æœ‰çš„,已ç»å¾ˆä¹…了,对å§ï¼Ÿè¿™ä¸€æ³¢æˆ‘觉得主è¦å°±æ˜¯å› 为OpenAIçš„O1的推出,大家åˆå‘现强化å¦ä¹ å¯èƒ½åˆ°è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹è¿™é‡Œä¹Ÿå¾—æžå¼ºåŒ–å¦ä¹ ã€‚ä½ å°±å¯ä»¥çœ‹è¿‡å¾€ï¼Œä»¥å‰AlphaGo下围棋以åŽï¼Œä¸å›½æœ‰çš„大公å¸ä¹Ÿå¥½ï¼Œå›¢é˜Ÿä¹Ÿå¥½ï¼Œåšä¸‹å›´æ£‹ï¼Œå…¶å®žæ°´å¹³ä¹Ÿä¸å·®ï¼Œå¯¹å§ï¼Ÿä¹Ÿåœ¨åŸºæœ¬ä¸Šå°±åƒæˆ‘åˆšæ‰æ€»ç»“,å¯èƒ½å·®åœ¨ä¸€äº›å…·ä½“çš„è¯„æµ‹æŒ‡æ ‡å·®é‚£ä¹ˆå‡ ä¸ªç‚¹ï¼Œä¸€ä¸¤ä¸ªç‚¹ã€‚æˆ‘è§‰å¾—è¿™ä¸ªå…¶å®žä¸å¤ªå½±å“最åŽçš„产å“化è½åœ°ï¼ŒåŒ…æ‹¬ä½ è¯´æˆ‘ä»¬çš„è¯éŸ³è¯†åˆ«ï¼Œä»¥å‰çš„视觉识别,对å§ï¼Ÿåœ¨å¾ˆå¤šç‚¹ä¸Šéƒ½èƒ½è¿½å¾—上国外的ä¼ä¸šã€‚所以这个技术能力上,ä¸å›½å…¶å®žæ˜¯é€šè¿‡è¿‡åŽ»çš„å¾ˆé•¿çš„æ—¶é—´åœ¨äº’è”网ã€åœ¨å¤§æ•°æ®æ–¹é¢ç§¯ç´¯çš„,还有工程化方é¢ï¼Œè½¯ä»¶å·¥ç¨‹åŒ–æ–¹é¢ç§¯ç´¯äº†å¤§é‡çš„人æ‰å‚¨å¤‡ã€‚我觉得这点上是æä¾›è¶³å¤Ÿä¿è¯çš„。然åŽç¼ºä¹çްæˆçš„å¼€æºæ¨¡åž‹ã€‚强化å¦ä¹ ,我的ç†è§£çš„è¯ï¼Œå®ƒå¹¶æ²¡æœ‰é‚£ä¹ˆï¼Œå®ƒä¹Ÿä¸€æ ·ï¼Œå®ƒçš„逻辑并没有那么难,更多是é 䏿–的实践å§ã€‚妿œ¯è®ºæ–‡å¯èƒ½ä¼šç¨å¾®å¼±ä¸€ç‚¹ï¼Œä½†æ˜¯è¿™ä¸ªå› ä¸ºæˆ‘åœ¨å¦æœ¯ä¹Ÿæ²¡é‚£ä¹ˆå¼ºï¼Œæ‰€ä»¥æˆ‘对这个现在还没有特别清晰直接的认知。但是从大趋势上æ¥çœ‹ï¼Œæˆ‘ä¸è®¤ä¸ºè¿™ä¸ªä¼šæ˜¯ä¸å›½ä¼ä¸šçš„一个很çŸçš„æ¿ã€‚åº”è¯¥æ¥è¯´å’Œè¿‡åŽ»çš„å¥½å‡ æ¬¡èŒƒå¼çš„æ›´æ–°ä¼šå·®ä¸å¤šï¼Œæˆ‘们ä¸ä¼šæœ‰å¤ªå¤§çš„å·®è·ã€‚这是我的观点,谢谢。 Joanna MaEquity Research Analyst at CMBI00:56:34好的,谢谢您,两ä½è€å¸ˆã€‚ Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:56:34谢谢。Operator, please move to the next question, please. Operator00:56:43Thank you. Our next question comes from Chengru Li with Guoyuan Securities. Please go ahead. Chengru LiEquity Research Analyst at Guoyuan Securities00:56:52感谢管ç†å±‚æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚我想问一下,我们现在在国内能看到越æ¥è¶Šå¤šçš„商家在使用æœåŠ¡åž‹æœºå™¨äººï¼Œç„¶åŽçœ‹åˆ°æœ€å¤šçš„地方是åƒé¤åŽ…å’Œé…’åº—ã€‚æˆ‘æƒ³è¯·æ•™ä¸€ä¸‹ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬å…¬å¸ç›®å‰åœ¨è¿™ä¸¤ä¸ªåœºæ™¯ä¸çš„å¸‚åœºä»½é¢æƒ…况,以åŠå¦‚果从大盘æ¥çœ‹çš„è¯ï¼Œæœºå™¨äººåœ¨é¤åŽ…å’Œé…’åº—å¸‚åœºçš„æ¸—é€çŽ‡æ¸—é€ç¨‹åº¦æ˜¯æ€Žæ ·å的?未æ¥è¿˜æœ‰å¤šå¤§å¢žé•¿ç©ºé—´å‘¢ï¼ŸçŒŽè±¹çš„æœºå™¨äººåœ¨æœªæ¥ä¸‰å¹´èƒ½å¦åœ¨è¿™ä¸¤ä¸ªç»†åˆ†é¢†åŸŸèƒ½å¤Ÿå®žçŽ°å¤šå¤§å¸‚åœºä»½é¢ï¼Ÿè°¢è°¢ã€‚ Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:57:28好的,市场份é¢çš„æŽ’åæƒ…å†µï¼Œå› ä¸ºè¿™ä¸ªè¡Œä¸šæ¯”è¾ƒæ—©ï¼Œæœ‰äº›æŠ¥å‘Šä»€ä¹ˆçš„ä¹Ÿéƒ½æ¯”è¾ƒåˆçº§ã€‚当然我们得说é¤åŽ…å’Œé…’åº—æˆ‘ä»¬åšçš„æ˜¯ç›¸å¯¹æ™šçš„ï¼Œå› ä¸ºæˆ‘ä»¬æœ€æ—©åšçš„æ˜¯æŽ¥å¾…æœåŠ¡çš„é‚£ä¸ªã€‚æˆ‘è§‰å¾—åº”è¯¥æˆ‘ä»¬åœ¨å‰å‡ åå§ï¼Œåº”è¯¥æ˜¯å¤§æ¦‚è¿™ä¹ˆä¸€ä¸ªä»½é¢æƒ…况。大盘上æ¥çœ‹ï¼Œåœ¨é¤åŽ…å’Œé…’åº—çš„æ•´ä½“æ¸—é€çŽ°åœ¨ä¹Ÿæ˜¯å¤„åœ¨æ—©æœŸå§ã€‚我觉得å³ä¾¿æ˜¯å›½å†…å¯èƒ½èƒ½æœ‰5%到,酒店å¯èƒ½å¤šä¸€ç‚¹ï¼Œå› 为它酒店的ä¸å¦‚é¤åŽ…å¤šï¼Œè¿˜æ˜¯å¤„åœ¨æ—©æœŸã€‚æœªæ¥çš„增长在国外我觉得就更多,就更早期了。这次我在欧洲访谈了我们ä¸å°‘客户,对å§ï¼Ÿè¿™ä¸ªå°±è§‰å¾—这方é¢çš„市场空间还是éžå¸¸å·¨å¤§çš„ã€‚å°±æ˜¯ä½ å¯ä»¥æŠŠåƒè¿™ç§å›½å¤–çš„å¸‚åœºæƒ³è±¡æˆæˆ‘们3到5å¹´å‰çš„市场。今天其实我们在国内的有一些市场的这个都ä¸å®Œå…¨å–决机器人市场本身了,对å§ï¼Ÿæ¯”如说我们都知é“é¤åŽ…çŽ°åœ¨è¿™ä¸ªä¹Ÿæ˜¯é™æœ¬å¢žæ•ˆï¼Œä¹Ÿæœ‰ä¸€äº›è¿™ä¸ªï¼Œæ‰€ä»¥ä»–们采è´èƒ½åŠ›åœ¨ä¸‹é™ï¼Œè¿™ä¸ªä¹Ÿæ˜¯äº‹å®žäº†ã€‚所以,但长期我是éžå¸¸çœ‹å¥½åœ¨è¿™ä¸¤ä¸ªåœºæ™¯ï¼ŒåŒ…括由æ¤å»¶ä¼¸çš„一些场景。就是我们åšçš„æœºå™¨äººä¹Ÿä¸ä»…仅是递é€ï¼ŒçŽ°åœ¨æˆ‘ä»¬åœ¨åšè¯éŸ³ï¼Œç”¨å¤§è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹åœ¨å¢žå¼ºè¯éŸ³æ–¹é¢çš„è¿™ç§èƒ½åŠ›ã€‚è¿™ä¸ªåˆ°äº†ä¸€å®šçš„ç¨‹åº¦çš„æ—¶å€™ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬ç›¸ä¿¡å®ƒä¼šæžå¤§åœ°æ‰©å±•它在é¤åŽ…å’Œé…’åº—çš„å·¥ä½œèŒƒç•´ã€‚æœªæ¥ä¸‰å¹´èƒ½åœ¨è¿™ä¸¤ä¸ªç»†åˆ†å¸‚场的份é¢çš„è¯ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬ç›®æ ‡å½“ç„¶æ˜¯è¦æ‹¿åˆ°æœ€å¤§äº†ï¼Œå¯¹å§ï¼Ÿå¦‚果三年时间都拿ä¸åˆ°æœ€å¤§ï¼Œé‚£è¿™ä¸ªå¸‚场就说明我们没åšå¥½ã€‚æˆ‘ä»¬æœ‰è¿™ä¸ªä¿¡å¿ƒï¼Œä½†æ˜¯ä½ è¯´èƒ½ä¸èƒ½åšåˆ°ï¼Œå–å†³äºŽæˆ‘ä»¬è‡ªå·±è¿™ä¸ªå›¢é˜Ÿçš„æ‰§è¡ŒåŠ›ã€‚å½“ç„¶æˆ‘è¿™æ¬¡å°±æ˜¯è¿™ä¸€å¹´å¤šï¼Œæˆ‘æœ€å¤§çš„ä½“ä¼šå°±æ˜¯è¿™æ ·ï¼Œå°±å› ä¸ºå®ƒæœ¬è´¨ä¸Šæ˜¯ä¸€ä¸ª2Bçš„ä¸€ä¸ªå¸‚åœºï¼Œæ‰€ä»¥åœ¨é”€å”®æ¸ é“的建设ã€é”€å”®ç®¡ç†ã€é”€å”®é˜Ÿä¼çš„æå»ºä¸Šï¼Œå®žé™…上是è¦èŠ±å¾ˆå¤§ç²¾åŠ›çš„ã€‚è¿™ä¹Ÿæ˜¯ä¸ºä»€ä¹ˆæˆ‘çŽ°åœ¨ç»å¸¸ä¼šåœ¨æ— è®ºæ˜¯æµ·å¤–è¿˜æ˜¯æœ‰å›½å†…ï¼Œéƒ½æ˜¯åŽ»æ‹œè®¿å¾ˆå¤šå®¢æˆ·ã€‚å› ä¸ºæˆ‘è§‰å¾—æˆ‘ä»¬çš„æŠ€æœ¯èƒ½åŠ›ä¸Šåœ¨è¿™ä¸ªè¡Œä¸šè‚¯å®šæ˜¯æŽ’åœ¨å¾ˆå‰é¢çš„。就是我们è¦è¿›ä»€ä¹ˆåœºæ™¯ï¼Œè¦åšå‡ºè¿™ä¸ªäº§å“,然åŽåœ¨è´¨é‡ã€åœ¨å„个方é¢å®¢æˆ·æ»¡æ„度,我们都能åšåˆ°ä¸é”™ã€‚那么这里é¢å…¶å®žçœŸæ£çš„难度åè€Œä¸æ˜¯æŠ€æœ¯å’Œäº§å“,对我们æ¥è¯´æ›´å¤šçš„æ˜¯é”€å”®æ¸ é“çš„æå»ºï¼Œä½ 整个销售网络。就这一波ä¸å›½ä¼ä¸šå‡ºæµ·ï¼Œæˆ‘昨天还跟一个朋å‹èŠï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æˆ‘觉得和上一波猎豹移动用APP出海最大的ä¸åŒï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ä¸€å®šè¦æ·±å…¥æœ¬åœ°ï¼Œåšæœ¬åœ°åŒ–çš„ä¸€äº›æ¸ é“建设,以åŠåŒ…括对本地市场的了解,能够制定出相应的打法。如果这个能åšå‡ºæ¥çš„è¯ï¼Œæˆ‘相信我们那个护城河会比上一波猎豹移动通过网络投放把APPæ‰“çˆ†è¿™æ ·çš„æ–¹å¼ä¼šæ·±å¾—多。但是å¦çŽ‡è®²ï¼Œè¿™ä¸ªæ‰€éœ€è¦èŠ±çš„ç²¾åŠ›å’Œéš¾åº¦ä¹Ÿä¼šç›¸å¯¹å¤§ã€‚è¿™æ˜¯æˆ‘ä»¬çš„è§‚ç‚¹ï¼Œä½†æˆ‘å¯¹ä¸‰å¹´å†…æ‹¿åˆ°å¸‚åœºç¬¬ä¸€çš„è¿™ä¸ªè¿˜æ˜¯æœ‰ä¿¡å¿ƒçš„ã€‚å¥½çš„ï¼Œè°¢è°¢ã€‚ Chengru LiEquity Research Analyst at Guoyuan Securities01:00:51谢谢。或者我们有其他问题了。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile01:01:00Thank you. Operator, if we have no further questions, we can just come through the Q&A section. Operator01:01:08We have no further questions, ma'am. Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile01:01:12Okay. And so thank you so much for joining Cheetah Mobile's Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to our team. Thank you so much. Bye-bye. Operator01:01:28Thank you. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile01:01:29Bye-bye. Operator01:01:30This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the Cheetah Mobile Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by 0. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad, and to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. Please note today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Helen Jing Zhu, IR for Cheetah Mobile. Please go ahead. Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:00:37Thank you, Operator. Welcome to Cheetah Mobile Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. With us today are our company's Chairman and CEO, Mr. Fu Sheng, and our Director and CFO, Mr. Thomas Ren. Following management's prepared remarks, we will conduct a Q&A session. Please note that the CEO's script will be presented by an AI agent. Before we begin, I refer you to the safe harbor statement in our earnings release, which also applies to our earnings conference call today, as well as make forward-looking statements. At this time, I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. Fu Sheng. Please go ahead, Fu Dong. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:01:27Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. Cheetah Mobile once again achieved accelerated revenue growth in Q3, driven by our service robotics and internet businesses. This consistent growth results from our strategies to expand the use cases of our wheeled service robotics and expand into overseas markets, as well as the resilience of our legacy internet business. Industry demand for service robots continues to rise, especially in the overseas markets and in restaurants, hotels, factories, and offices. Business owners are using robots more often to help their staff and improve efficiency. In the past weeks, I visited many customers and partners in Europe and associations in Asia. In fact, I am still in Europe today meeting with our local partners to further strengthen our presence. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:02:25Building a strong local distribution network is very important for our global expansion, as it will set us apart from our peers. That's why I have spent significant effort on this initiative. During my conversations with local partners, I learned that our robots are helping them solve labor shortages. Some customers in Europe shared that using Cheetah's robots have reduced employee absences and turnover. Meanwhile, some Japanese customers told us our robots are much more reliable than other players' offerings and are switching to our products. In September, we launched a new robot for factory and fulfillment center use. This robot can autonomously deliver goods to move low-payload items from transit warehouses to assembly lines. We are currently optimizing the product to better meet the needs of customers in overseas markets. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:03:20This highlights the importance of receiving feedback and inputs from local partners. We believe this product will become an important part of our service robotics business in 2025. While the robotics industry is still in its early stages, it will be a trillion-dollar market. Robots are becoming essential helpers for humans, and it will happen in the developed markets first. LLMs will speed up this growth by enabling robots to do more tasks and making them easier to deploy than ever before. Through our conversations with investors, we've noticed a lot of interest in how LLMs are making our robots smarter and driving steady revenue growth. Today, I will share what we've achieved so far with LLMs in our products and what's coming next. First, we are using LLMs to improve the way our service robots interact through voice. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:04:15Thanks to our strong far-field voice recognition, our robots already hear users well. Now, with LLMs, they understand users' questions more clearly and respond better, making the overall experience much smoother. For instance, in restaurants, our robots don't just deliver food during busy hours. They can also help attract customers, boosting the return on investment for restaurant owners by taking on more roles. Because LLMs break down language barriers, we are expanding these voice-enabled robots to international markets. We are also working on AgentOS, a system that lets customers set up tasks for robots using voice prompts. For example, you can tell a robot to check each table at 2:00 PM to see if anyone wants to order more food before the kitchen closes at 2:30 PM. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:05:12The robot will go to each table, skip the ones without customers, and even allow people to place orders if the ordering system is linked. Without LLMs, this kind of functionality would be nearly impossible or would require writing a lot of complicated code. Secondly, we are using multimodal models to improve our robots' indoor autonomous driving. One area that we are working on is to enable our robots to map out the large factory as they move and look around. Once the map is ready, our operations team can mark key locations, and the robots can then navigate the factory on their own to deliver goods. If factory owners want to change these key locations, they can easily update the map whenever needed. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:05:59Based on our initial testing, thanks to LLMs, the time it takes to set up our robots can dramatically reduce from about two days to just two hours. We are already using vision-based autonomous driving technology in some cases and plan to expand it further. For instance, our robots use vision-based autonomous driving technology to avoid people and obstacles and understand their surroundings. Over time, we aim to achieve an end-to-end navigation system. This will allow our robots to handle more complex environments entirely on their own. Third, we're adding robotic arms to our robots to help them do specific jobs. Some of these arms can press buttons, which is useful for delivering things between floors, in particular in the overseas markets, where business owners are reluctant to adjust their elevator access control systems due to security concerns. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:06:56Others can pick up and sort items, which is great for use in factories. These arms are powered by on-device multimodal models, making it easier to automate routine tasks. When it comes to LLMs, we use advanced models through API calls to support some of the features we have discussed. At the same time, we are also developing our own models. In November, we launched an 8 by 7 billion mixture of experts model, covering many languages, including Chinese, English, Korean, and Japanese. We've made it open source and use it to power our robots, especially the AgentOS features. Additionally, we have trained smaller on-device models to support indoor autonomous driving and control robotic arms, turning to LLM-based applications. We recently introduced AirDS, an AI-based data service platform, assisting enterprises in data and building prompts for their LLM-based applications. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:08:02AirDS was built on top of our insights into developing LLMs and LLM-based apps. So far, we have received positive customer feedback on our LLM-based applications, and we will continue to enrich our portfolio. Our goal is to offer relatively standardized SaaS products, allowing businesses to use LLMs to gain efficiency. Before handing the call over to Thomas for the financial highlights, I want to stress this: Cheetah Mobile is in a good position to tap into the growing markets for service robots and LLM-based apps, given years of experience from the PC and mobile phone eras, as well as expanding into international markets. We have strong LLM expertise. We've already made solid progress in growing our revenue and cutting losses. This is just the beginning of Cheetah Mobile's turnaround. Thomas RenCFO at Cheetah Mobile00:09:08Thank you, Fu Sheng. Hello, everyone on the call. Please note that, unless stated otherwise, all money amounts are in RMB terms. In Q3 2024, our financial results demonstrated solid execution on two strategic objectives. Number one, accelerating revenue growth driven by both the sales of robots and the legacy internet businesses. Number two, enhancing our operational efficiency to reduce our operating losses sequentially. In the third quarter of 2024, our total revenues increased 16.6% year over year, marking the second consecutive quarter of accelerating revenue growth, compared to 11.6% in Q1 and 12.3% in Q2. Our wheel-based service robots continue to be a key driver of growth. Additionally, our legacy internet business remained resilient, achieving solid revenue growth and margin expansion. Thomas RenCFO at Cheetah Mobile00:10:23On profitability, we made further progress. Non-GAAP gross profit rose 14% year over year and 7% quarter over quarter to Â¥131 million, with non-GAAP gross margin expanding to 68% in the third quarter, from 65% in Q2 and 63% in Q1. Non-GAAP operating loss was Â¥61 million in the quarter, reduced from Â¥63 million in Q2 and Â¥66 million in Q1. We continue to focus on managing costs and expenses. Notably, we consolidated the teams of Cheetah and Beijing OrionStar, streamlining staff and services with overlapping functions. For example, in Q3, we reduced invoice costs and cloud costs, professional and legal service fees, and certain labor costs related to G&A and operations. Thomas RenCFO at Cheetah Mobile00:11:33We are also decisively investing in AI, using AI to enhance our service robotics business. For example, our non-GAAP R&D expenses increased 25% quarter over quarter in Q3, and now about 60% of our revenues are invested in R&D. As Fu Sheng has said in the past, while we focus on developing products that generate immediate revenue and profits, we remain attentive to the latest technological advancements. Another highlight is the continued strength of our legacy internet business, which grew 26% year over year and 18% quarter over quarter. Operating margin, excluding share-based compensation expense, for this segment improved to 10% from 6% last year. Thomas RenCFO at Cheetah Mobile00:12:40As of September 30, 2024, we maintain a strong balance sheet with cash and cash equivalents of Â¥1.831 billion, or $218 million. Long-term investments of about Â¥886 million, or $126 million. In closing, we are making solid progress in expanding revenues and narrowing losses. We are confident in our investments in AI because we see the significant market potential of integrating our LMs into our service robotics business. At the same time, we remain disciplined in reducing losses and driving efficiency in our AI operations. Thank you. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, we are now ready for the Q&A session. Operator00:13:49Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:14:16Everyone, for today's call, Management will answer questions in Chinese, and then AI Agent will translate Management's comments into English in another language. Please note that the translation is for convenience purposes only. In the case of any discrepancy, Management's statement in Chinese will prevail. If you are unable to hear the Chinese translation, I think a transcript in English will be available on our IR website as soon as we can. Operator, we are now ready to take questions. Thank you so much. Operator00:14:50Thank you. Moving the first question up. And it's from Thomas Chong at Jefferies. Please go ahead. Thomas ChongManaging Director at Jefferies00:14:58晚上好,谢谢管ç†å±‚æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚我的问题是关于猎豹的机器人业务的。请问如果是我们看2025年,机器人在出货é‡ã€æ”¶å…¥å¢žé•¿ä»¥åŠåœ¨æ”¶å…¥å 比方é¢ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬è®¾å®šäº†å“ªäº›å…·ä½“çš„ç›®æ ‡ï¼Ÿ Thomas ChongManaging Director at Jefferies00:14:58Thanks, management, for taking my question and a good evening. My question is about Cheetah Mobile business. In 2025, what are our goals in terms of volume, revenue growth, and revenue contribution from the robots business? Thank you. 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Vicky WeiEquity Research Analyst at Citi00:17:40谢谢管ç†å±‚æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚我的问题是关于猎豹的互è”网业务的。我们看到本å£åº¦è¡¨çŽ°æ¯”è¾ƒä¸é”™ï¼Œæ”¶å…¥å’Œåˆ©æ¶¦çŽ‡éƒ½æ¯”è¾ƒç¨³å¥ã€‚请问我们应该如何看待2025年互è”ç½‘ä¸šåŠ¡çš„æ”¶å…¥å’Œåˆ©æ¶¦çŽ‡çš„è¶‹åŠ¿ï¼Ÿæˆ‘ä»¬æ˜¯æ¯”å¦‚è¯´å‘ˆçŽ°é€æ¥å¢žé•¿çš„æ€åŠ¿ï¼Œè¿˜æ˜¯è¯´ä¼šæœ‰é€æ¥æ”¾ç¼“的下滑?谢谢。 Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:18:07好的,我æ¥å›žç”。感谢您的æé—®ã€‚从整个大局上æ¥è¯´ï¼Œäº’è”网今天已ç»ä¸æ˜¯ä¸ªé«˜å¢žé•¿çš„行业了,已ç»å˜æˆä¸€ä¸ªåŸºç¡€è¡Œä¸šäº†ã€‚æ‰€ä»¥å°±åˆšæ‰æˆ‘è¯´çš„ï¼Œå½“å¹´é‚£ç§æŒ‡æ•°çº§å¢žé•¿æ˜¯å¾ˆéš¾çš„。但是第二就猎豹移动,从大家都知é“çš„å‰å‡ 年我们é‡åˆ°ä¸‹æž¶äº‹ä»¶çš„å½±å“当ä¸ä¹Ÿåœ¨é€æ¥èµ°å‡ºæ¥ã€‚我们在国内的一些互è”网的新的产å“,包括PC上的产å“,包括这一轮由于大模型的出现,AI PC,PC的整个的市场也在回暖,所以带æ¥äº†æˆ‘们整体的一些增长。 å¦‚æžœè¯´æ˜Žå¹´çš„é¢„æœŸï¼Œæˆ‘è®¤ä¸ºæ˜¯è¿™æ ·ï¼Œäº’è”网技术人员æˆä¸ºä¸€ä¸ªåŸºç¡€è¡Œä¸šäº†ã€‚å®ƒå°±æ˜¯ä¸€ä¸ªå’Œå¾ˆå¤šä¼ ç»Ÿè¡Œä¸šä¸€æ ·ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬å·²ç»åœ¨æ–°çš„è¿™ç§çŽ¯å¢ƒä¸‹æ‰¾åˆ°äº†è‡ªå·±çš„å¢žé•¿è·¯å¾„ã€‚é‚£ä¹ˆæˆ‘ä»¬è§‰å¾—åº”è¯¥ä¼šä¿æŒé€æ¥çš„稳定的增长,应该ä¸å†ä¼šä¸‹æ»‘ã€‚è¿™åªæ˜¯æˆ‘ä¸€ä¸ªçŒœæµ‹ï¼Œå› ä¸ºä»Šå¤©è¿™ä¸ªä¸–ç•Œå‘生什么,我们è°éƒ½ä¸çŸ¥é“ã€‚åœ¨æ²¡æœ‰å¤§çš„é»‘å¤©é¹…çš„æƒ…å†µä¸‹ï¼ŒæŒ‰ç…§çŽ°åœ¨è¿™æ ·ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬å¯¹æ˜Žå¹´äº’è”网业务的增长是有信心的。但是应该是一个比较稳定的,然åŽä¹Ÿä¸ä¼šé‚£ä¹ˆå¿«çš„一个增长。 我们公å¸å†…部对互è”ç½‘ä¸šåŠ¡çš„è€ƒæ ¸ä¹Ÿå®Œå…¨æ˜¯ä»Žè¿™ä¸ªï¼Œä¸èƒ½å«å®Œå…¨ï¼Œæœ€ç»ˆçš„è€ƒæ ¸ç‚¹æ˜¯åœ¨æ”¶å…¥å’Œåˆ©æ¶¦çŽ‡ã€‚æˆ‘ä»¬äº’è”网今天已ç»ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬åœ¨å†…éƒ¨çš„æ€æƒ³å°±æ˜¯è¯´å®ƒæ˜¯çް金æµä¸šåŠ¡ï¼Œä¹Ÿæ˜¯ä¸ªç¨³å¥çš„ä¸šåŠ¡ã€‚æˆ‘ä»¬æ—¢ç„¶èŽ·å¾—äº†ä¸€å—æ ¹æ®åœ°ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬å°±æ…¢æ…¢çš„ä¸æ–的去让它更好的去给集团贡献利润。好的,谢谢。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:19:55Thank you. Thank you. Please move to the next question, please. Operator00:20:07Thank you. Our next question comes from Yanglong Chen with CITIC Securities. Please go ahead. 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Operator00:28:11Thank you. Our next question comes from Yanni Su with HuaTai Securities. Please go ahead. Yanni SuEquity Research Analyst at HuaTai Securities00:28:19感谢管ç†å±‚。我们看到今年年åˆä»¥æ¥ï¼Œå…¬å¸æ¯ä¸ªå£åº¦éƒ½åœ¨ä¸æ–å‡äºã€‚想问一下我们åŽç»å¯¹äºŽå‡äºçš„节å¥å’Œå…·ä½“规划有没有一些展望?å¦å¤–æ˜¯å¦æœ‰æ˜Žç¡®çš„å¯ä»¥å®žçŽ°ç›ˆåˆ©çš„æ—¶é—´è¡¨ï¼Ÿè°¢è°¢ã€‚ Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:28:37好的。我也æ¥å›žç”这个问题。å‡äºè‚¯å®šæ˜¯æˆ‘们é‡ä¸ä¹‹é‡ã€‚今天所有的ä¼ä¸šéƒ½åœ¨é«˜å–Šç€é™æœ¬å¢žæ•ˆï¼Œå¯¹æˆ‘们æ¥è¯´ä¹Ÿæ˜¯ã€‚我们今年肯定实现了一定规模å‡äºã€‚但是我想说这个å‡äºï¼Œç”±äºŽæˆ‘们å‚与了大è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹çš„ä¸€äº›ç ”å‘å’Œè®ç»ƒï¼Œæ‰€ä»¥ä½¿æˆ‘们这个节å¥è¿˜æ”¾æ…¢äº†ä¸€ç‚¹ç‚¹ã€‚但这一轮我们å‘完MOE以åŽï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬ä¼šæŠŠæˆ‘ä»¬æ›´å¤šçš„åŠ›é‡æ”¾åœ¨Agent的开å‘和这个机器人的Agent相关的è½åœ°ä¸Šã€‚è¿™æ ·çš„ç ”å‘æˆæœ¬ä¼šæ¯”过去è®ç»ƒå¤§è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹è¦å‡ä½Žä¸å°‘。我们内部肯定是有一定å‡äºçš„ï¼Œåæ£æ˜¯ä¸“é—¨åˆ¶å®šäº†å‡äºè®¡åˆ’å’ŒåŒ…æ‹¬ç›ˆåˆ©çš„æ—¶é—´è¡¨ã€‚ä½†æ˜¯æˆ‘è§‰å¾—å› ä¸ºå¸‚åœºä¸æ–在å˜åŒ–,技术也在å˜åŒ–,我们å¯èƒ½è¿™ä¸ªä¸ä¼šä½œä¸ºä¸€ä¸ªç‰¹åˆ«å¯¹å¤–去讲的一个éžå¸¸æ¸…æ™°çš„æ—¶é—´è¡¨ã€‚å› ä¸ºçŽ°åœ¨æˆ‘è®¤ä¸ºè¿™ä¸€æ³¢ï¼Œåˆšæ‰é‚£ä¸ªæœ‹å‹æé—®çš„说机器人è®ç»ƒæ–¹é¢çš„ä¸€äº›è¿›å±•ï¼Œå› ä¸ºæˆ‘ä»¬çŽ°åœ¨çœ‹åˆ°äº†ä¸€äº›å•†ä¸šçš„æœºä¼šã€‚æˆ‘ä»¬ä¹Ÿçœ‹åˆ°æœåŠ¡æœºå™¨äººç”±äºŽå¤§è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹çš„åŠ æŒï¼Œæ— 论是它的底层的规划能力ã€ä»»åС决ç–能力,包括它的交互能力,我们认为都会有ä¸é”™çš„一个æå‡ï¼Œç„¶åŽä¼šæ‰©å¤§å®ƒçš„在å„ä¸ªå¸‚åœºçš„è¿™ç§æ»¡æ„度,会扩大这个市场。所以我们也是è¦ä¿æŒä¸€å®šçš„çµæ´»æ€§ã€‚å¦‚æžœä¸€æ—¦æœ‰è¿™æ ·çš„æœºä¼šï¼Œå¯èƒ½æˆ‘ä»¬åœ¨ç ”å‘ä¸Šè¿˜ä¼šå†æœ‰ä¸€äº›è¿™æ ·çš„æŠ•入。当然整体æ¥è¯´ï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬è‚¯å®šä¼šè¦æŠŠå…¬å¸å˜å¾—盈利,然åŽä¸ºè‚¡ä¸œåˆ›é€ ä»·å€¼ï¼Œè¿™ä¸ªå¤§ç›®æ ‡æ˜¯æ¯«æ— ç–‘é—®çš„ã€‚å¥½å§ï¼Œè°¢è°¢ã€‚ Yanni SuEquity Research Analyst at HuaTai Securities00:30:29好嘞,谢谢。有没有其他问题了? Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:30:36Operator, please move to the next question, please. Operator00:30:40Thank you. Our next question comes from Chuanlu Yin with Sealand Securities. Please go ahead. Chuanlu YinSealand Securities at VP00:30:48感谢管ç†å±‚给我æé—®çš„æœºä¼šã€‚æˆ‘è¿™è¾¹æœ‰ä¸€ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ï¼Œä¸»è¦æ˜¯æƒ³é—®ä¸€ä¸‹æ‚¨å¦‚何看待AI Agent以åŠè¿™å—的技术难易程度如何?比如我们最近看到智谱的AI Agentå·²ç»å¯ä»¥å¸®åŠ©ç”¨æˆ·åŽ»åœ¨ç™¾åº¦åœ°å›¾ï¼Œè¿˜æœ‰åƒç¾Žå›¢ä¸Šé¢æŸ¥è¯¢å’Œä¸‹å•ä¹‹ç±»çš„åŠŸèƒ½ã€‚ç„¶åŽæƒ³é—®ä¸€ä¸‹AI AgentåŽç»èƒ½å¦åŠ é€Ÿå¤§æ¨¡åž‹åœ¨C端的è½åœ°ï¼Œæˆ‘们应该如何去æ€è€ƒè¿™å…¶ä¸çš„价值分é…?谢谢。 Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:31:22å¥½çš„ï¼Œè°¢è°¢ä½ çš„æé—®ã€‚这个æé—®ä¹ŸæŒºä¸“业的。我觉得Agent这个è¯çš„ç«çˆ†å°±æ˜¯åœ¨æœ€è¿‘特别ç«çˆ†ã€‚其实Agent本质上它更趋å‘äºŽä¼ ç»Ÿçš„ä¸€äº›ä»¥å‰å«ä»€ä¹ˆRPAé‚£ç§è½¯ä»¶åŸºå› ,其实它就是由于Agent的出现,本质上是由于模型能力没有达到那ç§å°±æ˜¯è§å•¥å°±èƒ½å¹²å•¥çš„åŸºç¡€ã€‚ç„¶åŽæˆ‘们è¦ç”¨äººçš„一部分的æ€ç»´é“¾å’Œäººçš„一部分规划去指导大模型。就我写好1ã€2ã€3ã€4ã€5ï¼Œä½ åŽ»è¿™ä¹ˆå¼„ï¼Œå¼„å®Œä»¥åŽè¿™ä¸ªæ•ˆæžœï¼ŒåŒ…æ‹¬ä½ çœ‹åˆ°æ™ºè°±é‚£ä¸ªæ‰€è°“çš„è¿™äº›ã€‚æˆ‘è§‰å¾—è¿™è‚¯å®šæ˜¯ToC软件上的一个范å¼çš„æ”¹å˜ã€‚就以剿ˆ‘们è¦åŽ»å†™ä¸ªToC软件,必须完全é 大é‡çš„代ç 和逻辑去完æˆï¼Œè€Œä»Šå¤©å¾ˆå¤šçš„代ç 和逻辑由大è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹æ¥åšäº†ã€‚那么对C端的这ç§è½¯ä»¶çš„ç ”å‘çš„æˆæœ¬çš„é™ä½Žï¼Œè¿˜æœ‰å®ƒçš„用户体验的满æ„度的增高,的确是很大的机会。这个我得说,就我们自己也有,就看到我们互è”网业务也在有一些这方é¢çš„å°è¯•。但是我想说Agent这件事,就是能够去完æˆè¿™äº›æŸ¥è¯¢ä¹Ÿå¥½ï¼Œä¸‹å•也好,这个它è¦è¾¾åˆ°ä¼ 统那ç§ç³»ç»Ÿçš„é‚£ç§é«˜åº¦çš„稳定性和满æ„åº¦ã€‚ä»€ä¹ˆæ„æ€å‘¢ï¼Ÿå°±æ¯”å¦‚æˆ‘ç»™å®ƒä¸€ä¸ªæŒ‡ä»¤ï¼Œå®ƒæ˜¯ä¸æ˜¯ä¸€å®šèƒ½åšåˆ°æˆ‘想查的东西?这是大è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹ä»Šå¤©åœ¨C端也好,B端è½åœ°çš„ä¸€ä¸ªå¾ˆå…³é”®çš„ç‚¹ï¼Œè¿™ä¸€ç‚¹ä¸æ˜¯å¤ªå®¹æ˜“被业内的æåŠï¼Œä½†æˆ‘们自己在åšçš„æ—¶å€™å‘çŽ°è¿™ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ã€‚æ¯”å¦‚ä½ ç”¨ä¼ ç»Ÿä»£ç åŽ»å®žçŽ°ï¼Œä½ é€‰ä¸ä¸€ä¸ªç‚¹åŽ»ä¸‹ä¸€ä¸ªå•ï¼Œå› ä¸ºäººéƒ½æ˜¯éžå¸¸ç²¾å‡†æ“ä½œï¼ŒåŸºæœ¬ä¸Šä½ çš„æ“作是100%的有效性的,对å§ï¼Ÿè¿™ä¸ªAgent它有的时候会失效,它有的时候会ä¸å¦‚ä½ çš„é¢„æœŸï¼Œæœ‰æ—¶å€™å¯èƒ½ä¼šç»™ä½ 查错。而大è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹å«ä¸çŸ¥é“自己ä¸çŸ¥é“,它有幻觉。所以这个点是Agent能够真æ£çš„è½åœ°ï¼Œåœ¨è¿™æ–¹é¢è¦éžå¸¸éžå¸¸æŠ•å…¥å¾ˆå¤šç²¾åŠ›çš„ã€‚å½“ç„¶å›žåˆ°ä½ æœ€åŽé‚£ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯è¯´å¯¹C端è½åœ°èƒ½åŠ é€Ÿå¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”ç”¨åœ¨C端è½åœ°å—?那一定å¯ä»¥çš„,尤其在很多C端的APP上,今天已ç»å¼€å§‹æœ‰ä¸€äº›APP开始改用AgentåŽ»ï¼Œæ¯”å¦‚è¯´æˆ‘ä¸¾å‡ ä¸ªä¾‹å,åƒç¿»è¯‘类的,åƒä¸€äº›æ•™è‚²ç±»çš„,这个明显已ç»å¼€å§‹äº†ã€‚å¯¹ï¼Œä»·å€¼åˆ†é…æˆ‘觉得还是会带æ¥ä¸€æ³¢åšåº”用的厂商的崛起的。这是我的看法。但是我个人在对C端的国内的C端Agentè½åœ°ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ä½œä¸ºåˆ›ä¸šå…¬å¸ï¼Œæˆ‘䏿˜¯ç‰¹åˆ«çœ‹å¥½ï¼Œå› 为国内的大厂商在这方é¢çš„能力实在是太强了,而且对于他们æ¥è¯´åšèµ·æ¥ä¹Ÿä¼šéžå¸¸éžå¸¸çš„å¿«ã€‚æ‰€ä»¥å¦‚æžœåœ¨ä¸€ä¸ªäººå®¶ç†Ÿæ‚‰çš„é¢†åŸŸï¼Œä½ åšä¸€ä¸ªå°çš„创新,应该很快的就会被跟上å§ã€‚谢谢。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:34:40Operator, please move to the next question. Thank you. Operator00:34:44Thank you. Our next question comes from Yi Zhu with Founder Securities. Please go ahead. Yi ZhuAnalyst at Founder Securities00:34:52领导好,我想请教一下关于大模型在B端应用方é¢çš„å‡ ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ã€‚å› ä¸ºæˆ‘ä»¬ä¹Ÿçœ‹åˆ°å…¬å¸ä»Šå¹´åœ¨å¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”用上进行了ä¸å°‘探索,也涉åŠåˆ°äº†BIã€åŸ¹è®ã€é”€å”®ç®¡ç†è¿™äº›é¢†åŸŸã€‚所以我想请问一下,我们公å¸ç›®å‰çœ‹åˆ°ä¼ä¸šå®¢æˆ·å¯¹å¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”ç”¨çš„ä»˜è´¹æ„æ„¿å¤§æ¦‚是到什么程度?这是第一个问题。然åŽç¬¬äºŒä¸ªé—®é¢˜ï¼Œæˆ‘想请问一下,目å‰è¿™äº›åº”ç”¨æ˜¯ä¸æ˜¯è¿˜å±€é™åœ¨å®¹é”™çŽ‡æ¯”è¾ƒé«˜çš„ä¸€äº›å·¥ä½œåœºæ™¯ï¼Ÿæœªæ¥éšç€æŠ€æœ¯çš„è¿›æ¥ï¼Œç‰¹åˆ«æ˜¯Agentçš„å‡ºçŽ°ï¼Œæ˜¯ä¸æ˜¯èƒ½å¤Ÿä¸€å®šç¨‹åº¦ä¸Šæ”¹å–„大模型的幻觉,从而使得这些应用能够实现更多对人工的替代?以上,谢谢。 Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:35:35对,问那个。这个问题本身就已ç»å¾ˆè¯´æ˜Žé—®é¢˜äº†ã€‚就是讲的,我觉得基本上一些点都讲到了。就是第一,就是我觉得ä¼ä¸šå®¢æˆ·å¯¹å¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”ç”¨çš„ä»˜è´¹æ„æ„¿å®Œå…¨å–决于这个应用能够给他带æ¥å¤šå°‘çš„æŠ•å…¥äº§å‡ºæ¯”ã€‚è€Œä¸”æœ‰ä¸€ç‚¹æ˜¯éœ€è¦æ³¨æ„ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯è¿™ä¸ªæŠ•å…¥äº§å‡ºæ¯”è¿˜å¾—é«˜ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯è¦æ¯”较高æ‰è¡Œã€‚å› ä¸ºæœ¬è´¨ä¸Šæ„味ç€è¿™ä¸ªä¼ä¸šå¯¹å®ƒæ•´ä¸ªå†…部的很多æµç¨‹çš„å†é€ ,还有包括一些岗ä½çš„釿–°å®šä¹‰ï¼Œè¿™å¯¹ä¸€ä¸ªä¼ä¸šæ¥è¯´ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯å¦‚果没有足够高的价值的è¯ï¼Œä»–ä»¬ä¹Ÿæ²¡æœ‰æ„æ„¿æ„¿æ„去推动的。 ç›®å‰çœ‹èµ·æ¥ï¼Œæˆ‘觉得这个ä¼ä¸šå®¢æˆ·å¯¹å¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”用付费的çƒåº¦ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æ€Žä¹ˆè¯´å‘¢ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯è¶Šæ¥è¶Šè¶‹äºŽç†æ€§ã€‚我知é“的是去年很多ä¼ä¸šä¸ºäº†ä¸€ä¸ªå¤§æ¨¡åž‹çš„æŽˆæƒæˆ–ç§æœ‰åŒ–授æƒéƒ½èŠ±è¿‡ä¸å°‘钱。今年就明显的大家就ä¸å†åŽ»ä¸ºè¿™äº›åŽ»ä»˜è´¹äº†ï¼Œæˆ–è€…å¾ˆå°‘äº†ã€‚è€Œæ›´å¤šè¯´ä½ èƒ½ç»™æˆ‘æä¾›ä¸€ä¸ªæ€Žæ ·çš„直接能够好用的东西。 ç„¶åŽä½ 问的这个,就是目å‰å¤§æ¨¡åž‹ç”¨çš„确是在容错率比较高的具体场景,比如说刚培è®ï¼Œä¸€äº›é”€å”®çš„æ€»ç»“这些方é¢ã€‚å› ä¸ºå®ƒå³ä¾¿æ˜¯ç¨å¾®æœ‰ä¸€ç‚¹ç‚¹ä¸å‡†ä¹Ÿéƒ½è¿˜å¥½ï¼Œå¯¹å§ï¼Ÿå°±æ˜¯ä½ 大致看到一个大概的,或者说能达到,比如培è®è¿™ä»¶äº‹ï¼Œèƒ½è¾¾åˆ°90%以上的准确率,就能大é‡çš„æŽ¥å—äººå·¥ã€‚ä½†æ˜¯åœ¨ä¸€äº›æ¯”å¦‚è¯´æ•°æ®æ´žå¯Ÿè¿™äº›æ–¹é¢ï¼Œæˆ‘觉得还是在整个行业都在一起慢慢的摸索。 Agent是出现了是能够有效æå‡å¹¶ä¸”æ”¹å–„å¤§æ¨¡åž‹çš„å¹»è§‰é—®é¢˜çš„ã€‚å› ä¸ºAgentæœ¬èº«å°±æ˜¯ä¼ ç»Ÿçš„ä¸€äº›ä»£ç 也好,任务规划也好,去把大模型的能力框在一个特别垂直的场景当ä¸ã€‚这个时候当大模型的场景特别垂直的时候,它的这ç§å‡ºé”™æ¦‚率就会é™ä½Žã€‚尤其这一波大模型现在的能力已ç»åˆ°è¿™ä¸ªæ°´å¹³äº†ï¼Œå¤§å®¶éƒ½åœ¨Agent上投入的时候。所以对大模型在B端这ç§åº”ç”¨ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ä¸€å®šä¼šé€æ¥çš„实现越æ¥è¶Šå¤šçš„æ›¿ä»£ã€‚ 这里æ£å¥½æˆ‘结åˆä¸Šä¸ªé—®é¢˜æˆ‘也讲个例å,就是说今天如果我们åšå¤§æ¨¡åž‹çš„应用,如果它是一个泛的应用,它ç†è®ºä¸Šå°±å¾ˆéš¾åŽ»è®©å®¢æˆ·è¶³å¤Ÿæ»¡æ„。这是我们ç»è¿‡è¿™ä¹ˆä¹…的摸索。我举个例åï¼Œæ¯”å¦‚è¯´ä½ åƒä¸çŸ¥é“大家买了苹果最新的手机没有,对å§ï¼Ÿæˆ‘也专门买了一个能用海外版的去å°è¯•ã€‚ä½ å°±å‘现它能够真æ£ä½“现出æ¥å°±å¾ˆå°‘,这个体验就没有那么强。然åŽåŒ…括微软推的Copilotï¼Œæˆ‘è®¤ä¸ºè¿™ä¸¤ç±»åº”ç”¨éƒ½æ˜¯æŠŠå®ƒçš„ï¼Œå› ä¸ºä»–ä»¬å¤§å…¬å¸æŠŠå®ƒå®šä¹‰çš„éƒ½è¿‡äºŽå®½æ³›ã€‚è¿™ä¸€ç‚¹ä¸Šæˆ‘è§‰å¾—ï¼Œä½†ä»–ä»¬åæ£æœ‰æ—¶é—´ï¼Œæœ‰è¶³å¤Ÿçš„å•†ä¸šé—环,他就慢慢的在这个方å‘èµ°ã€‚è€Œä½œä¸ºåƒæˆ‘ä»¬è¿™æ ·çš„ä¼ä¸šï¼Œå°±ä¸€å®šå¾—去åšå¥½éžå¸¸æ¸…æ™°çš„åž‚ç›´çš„åº”ç”¨ã€‚ç„¶åŽæˆ‘们的æ€è·¯æ˜¯ä¸€ä¸ªç‚¹æ‰“é€ï¼Œç„¶åŽå®žçްå¯å¤åˆ¶ï¼Œå†åˆ°ä¸‹ä¸€ä¸ªç‚¹ã€‚ 所以对,基本上是这么一个我的一些ç†è§£ï¼Œè°¢è°¢ã€‚ Yi ZhuAnalyst at Founder Securities00:39:02明白,感谢。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:39:08Operator, please move to the next question, please. Thank you. Operator00:39:12No problem. And our next question comes from Bensheng Wu with CS Global. Please go ahead. Bensheng WuAnalyst at CS Global00:39:19感谢公å¸ç»™æˆ‘çš„æé—®æœºä¼šï¼Œä¹Ÿæƒ³è¯·æ•™ä¸€ä¸‹å‰¯æ€»ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æœ€è¿‘大家讨论了很多关于Scaling Law放缓的一个问题,想问一下您的一些观点,以åŠå°±æ˜¯è¯´åœ¨æ•´ä¸ªScaling Law放缓的背景下é¢ï¼Œå¯¹äºŽæ•´ä¸ªå¤§æ¨¡åž‹åº”用的一些行业å‘展有什么影å“? 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Operator, please move to the next question. Operator00:42:39Thank you. Our next question comes from Alex Wang with SDICS International. Please go ahead. Alex WangEquity Research Analyst at SDIC Securities International00:42:48è°¢è°¢çŽ‹æ€»æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚我这边想请教一下关于机器人方é¢çš„é—®é¢˜ã€‚æƒ³è¯·æ•™ä¸€ä¸‹å‰¯æ€»å¦‚ä½•çœ‹å¾…è¿‡åŽ»å‡ ä¸ªæœˆæœºå™¨äººè¡Œä¸šè¶‹åŠ¿çš„ä¸€äº›å˜åŒ–,å¦å¤–就是大模型对于机器人è½åœ°æœ‰å“ªäº›æŽ¨åŠ¨ä½œç”¨ï¼Œè¿˜æœ‰å°±æ˜¯æ‚¨å¦‚ä½•çœ‹å¾…æœºå™¨äººè¡Œä¸šæœªæ¥çš„ç«žäº‰æ ¼å±€ï¼Œè°¢è°¢ã€‚ Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:43:13å¯¹ï¼Œä¸ºäº†è¿‡åŽ»å‡ ä¸ªæœˆè¶‹åŠ¿çš„å˜åŒ–ï¼Œæˆ‘å°±æ„Ÿè§‰åˆ°æœºå™¨äººè¿™è¡Œä¸šåˆæœ‰å¤§æ¨¡åž‹è¿™ä¸ªæ¦‚念å˜å¾—è¶Šæ¥è¶Šç«äº†ã€‚ç„¶åŽç”±äºŽæœ‰äº†ç‰¹æ–¯æ‹‰çš„æ“Žå¤©æŸ±çš„åŠ å…¥ï¼Œè¿™ä¸ªäººå½¢æœºå™¨äººå˜å¾—æžåº¦ç«äº†ã€‚ä½†æ˜¯æˆ‘è¿˜æ˜¯åšæŒæˆ‘的观点,就机器人它是一个太泛的一个è¯äº†ã€‚所以大家æèµ·æ¥çš„æ—¶å€™æ€»æ˜¯ä»¥äººåšæœ¬ä½“åšä¸€ä¸ªå¹»æƒ³ï¼ŒåŽ»åšä¸€ä¸ªå®Œç¾Žçš„产å“,然åŽå°±èƒ½è§£å†³æ‰€æœ‰çš„问题。事实上我认为这个路径至少是éžå¸¸éš¾çš„。 我们å¯ä»¥å›žé¡¾ä¸€ä¸‹å½“年自动驾驶的时候,最早的时候实际上是两个路线在竞争,一个路线就是以谷æŒä¸ºé¦–çš„Waymo路线,他们是追求一å°è½¦æ‰“é€ å¾—è¶³å¤Ÿå¥½ï¼Œç”¨æ›´å¤šçš„ä¼ æ„Ÿå™¨ï¼Œå¾ˆè´µçš„æ¿€å…‰é›·è¾¾ï¼Œéžå¸¸å®Œç¾Žçš„算法去实现这个个体的相当强,然åŽåŽ»å®žçŽ°è‡ªåŠ¨é©¾é©¶è½åœ°ã€‚而å¦ä¸€æ¡è·¯çº¿æ˜¯ç‰¹æ–¯æ‹‰ä¸ºå½“时的那æ¡è·¯çº¿ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æˆ‘没有想到我一定能åšåˆ°ï¼Œé‚£ä¹ˆæˆ‘å°±å…ˆç”¨è§†è§‰ä¼ æ„Ÿå™¨ï¼Œä¸æ–åŠ ä¼ æ„Ÿå™¨ï¼Œæœ€åŽå‘现视觉å¯ä»¥ï¼Œç„¶åŽç”¨æ›´å¤šæœºå™¨åœ¨å„地跑的数æ®è¿›è¡Œç«¯åˆ°ç«¯çš„è®ç»ƒã€‚到今天我们基本上å¯ä»¥è¯´ï¼Œå¯¹å§ï¼Ÿç¬¬äºŒæ¡å°±æ˜¯éšç€å¯¹åœºæ™¯çš„æ·±å…¥å’Œæ•°æ®çš„䏿–的摸索,实现了这个技术的演化,比当åˆçš„完美的设想,最高质é‡çš„å·¥ç¨‹å¸ˆï¼Œæœ€ç‰›çš„ä¼ æ„Ÿå™¨è¿™æ¡è·¯çº¿ï¼Œç›®å‰çœ‹èµ·æ¥è‚¯å®šæ˜¯è¿™é‡Œèµ°å¾—è¦å¥½å¾—多。 æ‰€ä»¥æˆ‘è§‰å¾—æœºå™¨äººä¹Ÿåº”è¯¥æ˜¯è¿™æ ·çš„ï¼Œå®ƒä¸å¤ªä¼šå‡ºçŽ°ä¸€ä¸ªè·Ÿäººä¸€æ ·ä»€ä¹ˆéƒ½åŽ»å®Œæˆã€‚那个其实我们自己想想,人也ä¸è¡Œï¼Œäººæœ€åŽè¿˜å¾—去开个å‰è½¦åŽ»å¹²ä»€ä¹ˆï¼ŒæŽ¨ä¸ªå°è½¦åŽ»å¹²ä»€ä¹ˆï¼ŒåŽ»ç”¨ä¸€äº›å·¥å…·çš„è¾…åŠ©æ‰èƒ½å®žçŽ°æ›´å¤šè½åœ°ã€‚所以今天我认为这段时间机器人特别ç«ï¼Œå·¨å£°æ™ºèƒ½æ¦‚念特别ç«ï¼Œä½†äº‹å®žä¸Šå’Œè½åœ°è¿˜æ˜¯æœ‰æŒºå¤§å·®è·çš„。 大è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹å¤§å®¶éƒ½æåˆ°å¹»è§‰é—®é¢˜ï¼Œå…¶å®žå®ƒåŒè¯é£Žæ ¼å®ƒæœ¬èº«å°±åšä¸€ä¸ªåŸºç¡€ç®—æ³•ï¼Œå®ƒå°±æœ‰è¿™æ ·çš„é—®é¢˜ã€‚åœ¨è¯è¨€ä¸Šæœ‰çš„æ—¶å€™å›žç”å·®ä¸å¤šä½ 也觉得å¯ä»¥ï¼Œä½†çœŸæ£åœ¨æ¯”如说实现一些动作的æ“作上,一些跟物体的接触上,它是ä¸èƒ½æœ‰è¿™æ ·çš„错误的。而这个错误è¦ä¸€æ—¦å‡ºçŽ°ï¼Œå°±ä¼šå¯¼è‡´è¿™ä¸ªæœºå™¨è½åœ°éžå¸¸éš¾ï¼Œå¯¹å§ï¼Ÿæˆ‘举个例å,比如我们在é¤åŽ…åœ¨ä¸€äº›åœºæ™¯çš„æŽ¥å¾…ï¼Œä½ å°±å‘çŽ°ä½ è¦åœ¨æ²¡æœ‰äººåŽ»ç›‘ç®¡å®ƒçš„æƒ…å†µä¸‹ï¼Œä¸€å¤©è·‘ä¸ªåå‡ ä¸ªå°æ—¶ï¼Œè·‘å‡ å上百趟,然åŽä¸€å¹´è¿™æ ·åœ¨å‡ åƒä¸ªåœºæ™¯éƒ½ä¸èƒ½å‡ºé”™ã€‚å‡ºä¸€ç‚¹ç‚¹é”™å¯¹ä½ çš„å®¢æˆ·çš„ä¿¡å¿ƒï¼Œè¿˜æœ‰å®¢æˆ·èƒ½å¦è§‰å¾—好用都是巨大的担心。 æ‰€ä»¥æˆ‘è®¤ä¸ºå¤§æ¨¡åž‹å¯¹æœºå™¨äººçš„å¤§æ–¹å‘æ˜¯ä¸€å®šæœ‰å¸®åŠ©çš„ï¼Œä½†æ˜¯çœŸæ£è½åœ°çš„æ—¶å€™åº”该是结åˆåœºæ™¯ä¸€ç‚¹ç‚¹æŽ¨è¿›ã€‚所以这也是为什么我ä¸å¤ªçœ‹å¥½äººå½¢æœºå™¨äººçš„ä¸€ä¸ªæ ¸å¿ƒåŽŸå› ã€‚æˆ‘è§‰å¾—æœºå™¨äººæœªæ¥çš„æ ¼å±€è¿™ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ç‰¹åˆ«å¤§ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æˆ‘相信最终å¯èƒ½ä¼šåƒå½“时我举了个例åï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æ›´å¤šçš„åŠ¡å®žçš„æœºå™¨äººåŽ‚å•†çš„ä¸æ–出现,在一个场景里é¢åŽ»æ‰“ç£¨ï¼Œé‡Œé¢å‡ºæ¥çš„æœ€åŽçš„竞争者会胜出。我ä¸å¤ªçœ‹å¥½ä»Šå¤©æå‡ºä¸€ä¸ªå¾ˆå¤§çš„æ¦‚念,然åŽå°±åŽ»æœç€ç™»æœˆè¡ŒåŠ¨åŽ»åšï¼Œè¿™ä¹ˆåŽ»ã€‚è¿™ä¸ªèƒ½å¤Ÿèƒœå‡ºå§ã€‚ å› ä¸ºå…¶ä¸è¿˜æœ‰ä¸€ä¸ªåŸºç¡€çš„逻辑是什么,就是说机器人它是一个硬件和软件高度结åˆçš„这么一个产业,而里é¢çš„硬件体系åˆå¾ˆå¤æ‚,它还ä¸åƒæ±½è½¦ï¼Œå®ƒæ›´å¤šæ˜¯è½®å结构什么的,它有很多的机械结构在里é¢ã€‚而机械结构的硬件体系的进æ¥ï¼Œå®ƒæ˜¯ä¸æ˜¯é æ‘©å°”å®šå¾‹æ”¯æ’‘çš„ï¼Œè½¯ä»¶ä½ å¯ä»¥18ä¸ªæœˆä»€ä¹ˆæˆæœ¬é™ä¸€åŠï¼Œæ€§èƒ½å¥½ä¸€å€ï¼Œç¡¬ä»¶å®ƒå°±å¾—一点点磨。汽车到今天都100年了,100多年了,对å§ï¼Ÿæ‰æœ‰è¿™æ¬¡æ™ºèƒ½è½¦çš„å˜é©ã€‚ 所以我觉得未æ¥åº”è¯¥è¿˜æ˜¯ï¼Œåæ£æˆ‘ä»¬æ˜¯åšå®šæˆ‘们自己这æ¡è·¯çš„ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ä¸æ–地跟场景的结åˆï¼Œåœ¨è¿™ä¸ªä»¥è½®å¼ä¸ºåŸºç¡€çš„,然åŽå†åŠ ä¸€äº›æœºæ¢°è‡‚å’Œä¸€äº›åœ¨ä¸€äº›åˆšéœ€ç—›ç‚¹çš„åœºæ™¯åŠ æœºæ¢°è‡‚åŽ»å®Œæˆä¸€äº›é«˜è´¨é‡çš„高å¯é 性的动作,去实现更大的扩展。好,谢谢。 Alex WangEquity Research Analyst at SDIC Securities International00:47:53好的,谢谢,没有更多问题。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:48:00Thank you. Please move to the next question, please. Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:48:04Thank you. Our next question today comes from Yunpeng Diao with Guotai Junan Securities. Please go ahead. Yunpeng DiaoAnalyst at Guotai Junan Securities00:48:14Hi, management. Thanks for taking my question. We have noticed that you have a large amount of net cash on your balance sheet. Do you have any plan of dividend distribution or share repurchase in the future? Thank you. Yunpeng DiaoAnalyst at Guotai Junan Securities00:48:28谢谢管ç†å±‚æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚我的问题就是公å¸è´¦ä¸ŠçŽ°é‡‘æ¯”è¾ƒå¤šï¼Œæœªæ¥æ˜¯å¦æœ‰å›žè´æˆ–者分红的计划?谢谢。 Thomas RenCFO at Cheetah Mobile00:48:41好,我æ¥å›žç”这个问题。我是公å¸CFO Thomas。谢谢您的æé—®ã€‚首先猎豹对股东回报一直是比较开放的æ€åº¦ï¼Œæˆ‘们管ç†å±‚也是éžå¸¸é‡è§†è‚¡ä¸œå›žæŠ¥çš„。在历å²ä¸Šæˆ‘们å¯ä»¥çœ‹åˆ°æˆ‘ä»¬æ›¾ç»æ´¾è¿‡ä¸¤æ¬¡çš„è‚¡æ¯ï¼Œä¹Ÿæ›¾åšè¿‡å¤šæ¬¡çš„回è´çš„计划。两次派æ¯ä¹Ÿæ˜¯åŸºäºŽæˆ‘们有é‡è¦çš„æŠ•资项目获得了退出,å–得了现金的回报,然åŽå›žé¦ˆç»™äº†æˆ‘ä»¬çš„è‚¡ä¸œã€‚ä½†æ˜¯æœªæ¥æ˜¯ä¸æ˜¯ä¼šåˆ†çº¢æˆ–è€…å…¶ä»–çš„æ‰‹æ®µï¼Œæˆ‘ä»¬å…¶å®žè¿˜æœ‰å¾ˆå¤šçš„å› ç´ è¦åŽ»è€ƒé‡ã€‚比如我们之å‰å‰¯æ€»ä¹Ÿæåˆ°è¿‡ï¼Œæˆ‘们其实在技术上还有一些投入è¦åšï¼ŒåŒ…括我们的业务也是从PoCå‘PoB在转型。å‘展AI大模型和机器人业务也需è¦ä¸€å®šçš„æŠ•å…¥ã€‚åŒæ—¶æˆ‘们也觉得在目å‰å…¶å®žæ•´ä½“çš„ç»æµŽçŽ¯å¢ƒä¸æ˜¯å¾ˆç¡®å®šï¼Œå¯¹äºŽæˆ‘们æ¥è®²ä¿æŒæ¯”较充足的现金储备和业务的å‘展也是比较é‡è¦çš„。所以我们未æ¥ä¼šç»§ç»ä¿æŒä¸€ä¸ªæ¯”较谨慎的财务ç–略,确ä¿å…¬å¸åœ¨é¢å¯¹å¸‚åœºæ³¢åŠ¨çš„æ—¶å€™æœ‰è¶³å¤Ÿçš„çµæ´»æ€§å’ŒæŠ—é£Žé™©çš„èƒ½åŠ›ã€‚å¦‚æžœæœªæ¥æˆ‘们董事会有批准åƒå›žè´æˆ–分红的计划,我们会在第一时间å‘市场åšå…¬å‘Šã€‚谢谢。 Yunpeng DiaoAnalyst at Guotai Junan Securities00:50:07好的,谢谢,很清楚。我没有别的问题了。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:50:12谢谢。Operator, please move to the next question. Operator00:50:17Thank you. Our next question comes from Gigi Zhao with GF Securities. Please go ahead. Gigi ZhaoEquity Research Analyst at GF Securities00:50:24谢谢管ç†å±‚给我æé—®çš„æœºä¼šï¼Œç„¶åŽæˆ‘想问一下就是怎么看目å‰å›½å†…大模型的一个å‘展的一个状况和竞争å§ã€‚就比如说就是您在实际的这个æ“作ä¸ï¼Œå¯¹å„家大模型之间从性能和效率的角度æ¥çœ‹æ˜¯å¦æœ‰æ˜¾è‘—的差异,或者说就是说目å‰å¤§æ¨¡åž‹çš„竞争是å¦å·²ç»è¶…越了模型能力本身,未æ¥å¯èƒ½æ›´å¤šæ˜¯å‘产å“åŒ–å’Œç”Ÿæ€æ–¹é¢çš„一个建设。对,以上是我的问题,谢谢。 Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:50:57å¥½çš„ï¼Œæ„Ÿè°¢ä½ çš„é—®é¢˜ã€‚ä½ ä¹ŸçŸ¥é“国内的生æ€å®ƒæ¯”è¾ƒå¤æ‚,我就ä¸å¥½åŽ»è¯„ä»·å“ªä¸€å®¶çš„æ¨¡åž‹äº§å“å¥½ç”¨ï¼Œå¤§å®¶è‡ªå·±ç”¨ç”¨å…¶å®žä¼šæœ‰ä½“æ„Ÿçš„ã€‚æˆ‘æ˜¯å‡ ä¸ªéƒ½ç»å¸¸æ¥å›žç”¨ï¼Œä½†æ˜¯çš„ç¡®å¾—è¯´è¿™ä¸ªä½“éªŒä¸Šè¿˜æ˜¯æœ‰äº›å·®å¼‚çš„ã€‚æˆ‘è§‰å¾—ä»Šå¤©ä½ çš„è¿™ä¸ªé—®é¢˜ä¹Ÿé—®å¾—å¾ˆå¥½ï¼Œå°±æˆ‘è§‰å¾—å¤§æ¨¡åž‹çš„ç«žäº‰å…¶å®žä»Žæœ€å¼€å§‹å°±è¶…è¶Šäº†æ¨¡åž‹èƒ½åŠ›æœ¬èº«ã€‚å› ä¸ºæ¨¡åž‹èƒ½åŠ›è¿™ä»¶äº‹ï¼Œå°±æˆ‘ä»¬æœ€è¿‘æŽ¨äº†ä¸€ä¸ªå«AIæ•°æ®å®çš„è¿™ä¸ªåŠŸèƒ½ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ä½ ä¼šå‘现今天模型本身的能力它就å–决于数æ®ã€‚而今天这个数æ®å› 为在互è”ç½‘ä¸Šå¤§å®¶ä¹Ÿéƒ½æ¯”è¾ƒå…¬å¼€ï¼Œä½ åœ¨æ ‡æ³¨è¿™äº›æ–¹é¢ï¼Œè¿™ä¸ªæ•°æ®çš„高质é‡åŒ–,多花点精力,多åšä¸€äº›å·¥ç¨‹æ–¹é¢çš„äº‹æƒ…ï¼Œä½ çš„æ¨¡åž‹èƒ½åŠ›å°±ä¼šè¿˜ä¸é”™ã€‚ä½ åƒæˆ‘们真æ£åœ¨æˆ‘们è®äº†ä¸¤ä¸ªæ¨¡åž‹ï¼Œä¸€ä¸ªæ˜¯140äº¿å‚æ•°çš„,一个是7×80亿的,70亿乘8çš„MOEçš„ï¼Œå…¶å®žå‡ºæ¥æ¦œå•æˆç»©ä¹Ÿéƒ½ä¸é”™ã€‚å› ä¸ºæˆ‘ä»¬åœ¨è¿™ï¼Œæ‰€ä»¥ä»Šå¤©å…¶å®žå¤§æ¨¡åž‹ç«žäº‰å°±æ›´å¤šçš„è¿˜æ˜¯æ¥è‡ªäºŽä½ 对这件事情的é‡è§†ç¨‹åº¦ï¼Œè¿˜æœ‰æ•°æ®æŠ•入度这些。而我觉得到了这个阶段的确就是今天的竞争一定是走å‘产å“化和生æ€å»ºè®¾äº†ã€‚å°±è°èƒ½å¤ŸåŽ»çœŸæ£é€šè¿‡äº§å“的体验的改善去完æˆå¯¹ç”¨æˆ·çš„æ»¡æ„åº¦çš„å¢žåŠ ï¼Œè°å°±èƒ½æœ‰æœºä¼šèƒœå‡ºã€‚åº•å±‚æ¨¡åž‹çš„ä¸€ç‚¹æŒ‡æ ‡çš„å·®è·ï¼Œæˆ‘觉得已ç»ä¸å½±å“è¿™ä»¶äº‹æƒ…äº†ã€‚ä½ çœ‹æ¦œå•ä¸Šä»Šå¤©è¿™ä¸ªä¸Šï¼Œæ˜Žå¤©é‚£ä¸ªä¸Šï¼Œä¸€ä¼šå„¿åˆæ¥ä¸ªè¿™ä¸ªä¸Šï¼Œå…¶å®žæˆ‘觉得这件事å¯èƒ½å·²ç»pass了,就产å“化和生æ€å»ºè®¾ã€‚连è¨é»˜ç‰¹æ›¼åœ¨å‰ä¸ä¹…æœ‰ä¸€æ¬¡è®¿è°ˆæˆ‘çœ‹äº†ï¼Œä»–éƒ½è¯´äººå®¶é—®ä½ OpenAIæœ€æ¬ ç¼ºä»€ä¹ˆï¼Œä»–è¯´æ¬ ç¼ºæ˜¯äº§å“,对å§ï¼Ÿæ‰€ä»¥è¿™ä¸ªå¤§æ¨¡åž‹è¿™æ¬¡AI的进展,我觉得它的速度很快,所以现在已ç»ä»Žæœ€åˆçš„æŠ€æœ¯ç‹‚çƒæˆ–者技术比拼到产å“åŒ–æ¯”æ‹¼å’Œç”Ÿæ€æ¯”拼了。这是一个éžå¸¸æ˜Žæ˜¾çš„é˜¶æ®µã€‚æˆ‘çœ‹æœ€è¿‘æœ‰ä¸€äº›å›½å†…çš„ä¸“å®¶æˆ–è€…åˆ›ä¸šè€…ä¹Ÿåœ¨ææ˜Žå¹´ä¼šæ˜¯ç”Ÿæ€çˆ†å‘年,应用爆å‘年。从原则上我是认å¯è¿™ä¸€ç‚¹çš„ï¼Œå› ä¸ºæ¨¡åž‹çš„èƒ½åŠ›åˆ°äº†ä¸€ä¸ªæ¯”è¾ƒé«˜çš„æ°´å‡†äº†ï¼Œå°±å¤§å®¶å„家都差ä¸å¤ªå¤šã€‚ç„¶åŽå†æƒ³é«˜ä¹Ÿä¸å¤ªå®¹æ˜“了,就刚æ‰è®²è¿‡æ•°æ®çš„这个问题,除éžå‡ºçްæŸç§ç‰¹æ®Šçš„æ–°çš„范å¼ï¼Œç„¶åŽçŽ°åœ¨å¤§å®¶ç²¾åŠ›éƒ½ä¼šå¾€äº§å“和生æ€ä¸ŠåŽ»åšã€‚ç„¶åŽç”±äºŽåˆ°äº†ä¸€å®šçš„æ°´å¹³ï¼Œå¤§å®¶åˆåœ¨è¿™æ–¹é¢æŠ•å…¥ï¼Œé‚£å°±ä¼šåœ¨ç”¨æˆ·çš„ä½“éªŒç‚¹ä¸Šæ›´åŠ é‡è§†ã€‚所以明年我觉得应该在产å“å’Œç”Ÿæ€æ–¹é¢ä¼šæ˜¯ä¸€ä¸ªå¾ˆå¤§çš„一个进展。好,谢谢。 Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:54:02Thank you. Operator, please move to the next question. Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:54:07Thank you. Our next question comes from Joanna Ma with CMBI. Please go ahead. Joanna MaEquity Research Analyst at CMBI00:54:15谢谢管ç†å±‚æŽ¥å—æˆ‘çš„æé—®ã€‚ç„¶åŽæˆ‘也是想接ç€åˆšæ‰æ‚¨è¯´çš„,就请教一下关于大模型è®ç»ƒçš„æŠ€æœ¯æ–¹é¢çš„问题。现在ä¸å›½ä¼ä¸šåœ¨å¤§æ¨¡åž‹è®ç»ƒçš„强化å¦ä¹ 的新范å¼ä¹‹ä¸‹ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯æŠ€æœ¯èƒ½åŠ›æ˜¯å¦‚ä½•çš„ï¼Ÿå› ä¸ºæˆ‘ä»¬ä¹Ÿäº†è§£åˆ°åƒå¼ºåŒ–å¦ä¹ 的新范å¼ç‰¹ç‚¹ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ç¼ºä¹çްæˆçš„å¼€æºæ¨¡åž‹å’Œå¦æœ¯è®ºæ–‡ä½œä¸ºä¸€ä¸ªç›´æŽ¥çš„å‚考,谢谢。 Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile00:54:43ä½ è¿™ä¸ªé—®çš„çœŸçš„ç‰¹åˆ«å¦æœ¯åŒ–了。第一,我觉得在强化å¦ä¹ 的范å¼ä¸‹ï¼Œä¸å›½ä¼ä¸šçš„æŠ€æœ¯èƒ½åŠ›å…¶å®žå¹¶ä¸å·®çš„。强化å¦ä¹ è¿™ä¸ªäº‹æƒ…ä¹Ÿä¸æ˜¯ä»Šå¤©æ‰æœ‰çš„,已ç»å¾ˆä¹…了,对å§ï¼Ÿè¿™ä¸€æ³¢æˆ‘觉得主è¦å°±æ˜¯å› 为OpenAIçš„O1的推出,大家åˆå‘现强化å¦ä¹ å¯èƒ½åˆ°è¯è¨€æ¨¡åž‹è¿™é‡Œä¹Ÿå¾—æžå¼ºåŒ–å¦ä¹ ã€‚ä½ å°±å¯ä»¥çœ‹è¿‡å¾€ï¼Œä»¥å‰AlphaGo下围棋以åŽï¼Œä¸å›½æœ‰çš„大公å¸ä¹Ÿå¥½ï¼Œå›¢é˜Ÿä¹Ÿå¥½ï¼Œåšä¸‹å›´æ£‹ï¼Œå…¶å®žæ°´å¹³ä¹Ÿä¸å·®ï¼Œå¯¹å§ï¼Ÿä¹Ÿåœ¨åŸºæœ¬ä¸Šå°±åƒæˆ‘åˆšæ‰æ€»ç»“,å¯èƒ½å·®åœ¨ä¸€äº›å…·ä½“çš„è¯„æµ‹æŒ‡æ ‡å·®é‚£ä¹ˆå‡ ä¸ªç‚¹ï¼Œä¸€ä¸¤ä¸ªç‚¹ã€‚æˆ‘è§‰å¾—è¿™ä¸ªå…¶å®žä¸å¤ªå½±å“最åŽçš„产å“化è½åœ°ï¼ŒåŒ…æ‹¬ä½ è¯´æˆ‘ä»¬çš„è¯éŸ³è¯†åˆ«ï¼Œä»¥å‰çš„视觉识别,对å§ï¼Ÿåœ¨å¾ˆå¤šç‚¹ä¸Šéƒ½èƒ½è¿½å¾—上国外的ä¼ä¸šã€‚所以这个技术能力上,ä¸å›½å…¶å®žæ˜¯é€šè¿‡è¿‡åŽ»çš„å¾ˆé•¿çš„æ—¶é—´åœ¨äº’è”网ã€åœ¨å¤§æ•°æ®æ–¹é¢ç§¯ç´¯çš„,还有工程化方é¢ï¼Œè½¯ä»¶å·¥ç¨‹åŒ–æ–¹é¢ç§¯ç´¯äº†å¤§é‡çš„人æ‰å‚¨å¤‡ã€‚我觉得这点上是æä¾›è¶³å¤Ÿä¿è¯çš„。然åŽç¼ºä¹çްæˆçš„å¼€æºæ¨¡åž‹ã€‚强化å¦ä¹ ,我的ç†è§£çš„è¯ï¼Œå®ƒå¹¶æ²¡æœ‰é‚£ä¹ˆï¼Œå®ƒä¹Ÿä¸€æ ·ï¼Œå®ƒçš„逻辑并没有那么难,更多是é 䏿–的实践å§ã€‚妿œ¯è®ºæ–‡å¯èƒ½ä¼šç¨å¾®å¼±ä¸€ç‚¹ï¼Œä½†æ˜¯è¿™ä¸ªå› ä¸ºæˆ‘åœ¨å¦æœ¯ä¹Ÿæ²¡é‚£ä¹ˆå¼ºï¼Œæ‰€ä»¥æˆ‘对这个现在还没有特别清晰直接的认知。但是从大趋势上æ¥çœ‹ï¼Œæˆ‘ä¸è®¤ä¸ºè¿™ä¸ªä¼šæ˜¯ä¸å›½ä¼ä¸šçš„一个很çŸçš„æ¿ã€‚åº”è¯¥æ¥è¯´å’Œè¿‡åŽ»çš„å¥½å‡ æ¬¡èŒƒå¼çš„æ›´æ–°ä¼šå·®ä¸å¤šï¼Œæˆ‘们ä¸ä¼šæœ‰å¤ªå¤§çš„å·®è·ã€‚这是我的观点,谢谢。 Joanna MaEquity Research Analyst at CMBI00:56:34好的,谢谢您,两ä½è€å¸ˆã€‚ Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile00:56:34谢谢。Operator, please move to the next question, please. Operator00:56:43Thank you. Our next question comes from Chengru Li with Guoyuan Securities. Please go ahead. 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Operator, if we have no further questions, we can just come through the Q&A section. Operator01:01:08We have no further questions, ma'am. Helen ZhuDirector of Investor Relations at Cheetah Mobile01:01:12Okay. And so thank you so much for joining Cheetah Mobile's Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to our team. Thank you so much. Bye-bye. Operator01:01:28Thank you. Fu ShengChairman and CEO at Cheetah Mobile01:01:29Bye-bye. Operator01:01:30This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesThomas RenCFOHelen ZhuDirector of Investor RelationsFu ShengChairman and CEOAnalystsYanni SuEquity Research Analyst at HuaTai SecuritiesChengru LiEquity Research Analyst at Guoyuan SecuritiesVicky WeiEquity Research Analyst at CitiYanglong ChenAnalyst at CITIC SecuritiesThomas ChongManaging Director at JefferiesJoanna MaEquity Research Analyst at CMBIBensheng WuAnalyst at CS GlobalTranslatorChuanlu YinSealand Securities at VPGigi ZhaoEquity Research Analyst at GF SecuritiesYunpeng DiaoAnalyst at Guotai Junan SecuritiesAlex WangEquity Research Analyst at SDIC Securities InternationalYi ZhuAnalyst at Founder SecuritiesPowered by