NASDAQ:VTGN VistaGen Therapeutics Q1 2025 Earnings Report $0.60 -0.03 (-4.70%) Closing price 05/18/2026 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$0.62 +0.02 (+3.44%) As of 09:10 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast VistaGen Therapeutics EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.35Consensus EPS -$0.41Beat/MissBeat by +$0.06One Year Ago EPS-$0.94VistaGen Therapeutics Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$0.08 millionExpected Revenue$0.30 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$220.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AVistaGen Therapeutics Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date8/13/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, August 13, 2024Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsVistaGen Therapeutics' Q4 2026 earnings is estimated for Tuesday, June 16, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, June 11, 2026 at 4:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by VistaGen Therapeutics Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 13, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Our U.S. registration‐directed PALISADE Phase 3 program for fasadienol in acute social anxiety disorder is on track, with PALISADE III enrollment underway and PALISADE IV slated to start in H2 2024, aiming for topline data in mid-2025 and late-2025. Exploratory Phase 2 trials of itrivone for major depressive disorder and PH80 for menopausal hot flashes showed favorable safety and efficacy, and we’re preparing a Phase 2b study for itrivone and pursuing a U.S. IND for PH80. In Q1 FY 2025, R&D expenses rose to $7.6 million (vs. $4.2 million LY), G&A to $4.6 million (vs. $3.0 million LY), net loss widened to $10.7 million, and cash and equivalents stood at $108.4 million as of June 30, 2024. PALISADE III and IV will run at separate clinical sites to minimize variability, and FDA discussions support HCP-administered dosing with on-demand use as needed for acute social anxiety events. Following the first positive Phase 3 acute SAD trial (PALISADE II), a manuscript is in preparation and we’re engaging regulators on potential designation beyond Fast Track to strengthen our U.S. NDA strategy. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallVistaGen Therapeutics Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, greetings and welcome to Vistagen Therapeutics Fiscal Year 2025 Q1 corporate update conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star and zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mark McPartland, SVP, Investor Relations at Vistagen. Please go ahead. Mark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen Therapeutics00:00:40Thank you, Ryan, and good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Vistagen's Fiscal Year 2025 Q1 Corporate Update Conference Call and Webcast. This afternoon, we filed our quarterly report with the Securities and Exchange Commission on SEC Form 10-Q for our quarter ended June 30, 2024, and issued a press release providing an overview of our continued progress. We encourage you to review the release and our 10-Q, which can be found in the investor section of our website. We will make forward-looking statements regarding our business during today's call based on current expectations and information. These forward-looking statements speak only as of today. Except as required by law, we do not assume any duty to update any forward-looking statements made today or in the future. Mark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen Therapeutics00:01:31Of course, forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, and our actual results could differ materially from those anticipated by any forward-looking statements we make today. Additional information concerning risks and factors that could affect our business and financial results is included in our fiscal year 2025 Q1 10-Q for the period ending June 30, 2024, and will be made in the future filings that we make with the SEC from time to time, all of which will be available in the investor section of our website and, of course, on the SEC's website. With the formalities completed, we warmly welcome our stockholders, sell-side analysts, and others interested in Vistagen. I'm joined on our call today by Shawn Singh, our Chief Executive Officer; Cindy Anderson, our Chief Financial Officer; and Josh Prince, our Chief Operating Officer. Mark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen Therapeutics00:02:28Shawn will provide an update on the lead programs in our novel class of neurocircuitry-focused pherine drug candidates and our clinical stage pipeline. After that, the conclusion of our prepared remarks, there will be a brief opportunity for the questions from the sell-side analysts participating on the call. As a reminder, this call is being webcast and will be available for replay after completion. The replay link can also be found in the investor section of our website. I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Shawn Singh. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:03:04Thank you, Mark, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining our call today. For those of you who are joining us for the first time, we're a neuroscience company with a diverse pipeline that includes multiple clinical stage product candidates in phase II and phase III development. Each of these is a novel, non-systemic, neurocircuitry-focused product candidate. Our three lead clinical development programs target large markets with stale standards of care that leave millions of individuals with unsatisfied medical needs, specifically individuals affected by the profound fear and anxiety associated with social anxiety disorder, the serious and potentially life-threatening impacts of depression, and the disruptive effects of menopausal hot flashes. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:03:52For decades, the standard of care in these markets, these very large indications, has been anchored in oral medications that require systemic uptake and are associated with a bundle of worrisome side effects and safety concerns, prolonged onset of action, and limited efficacy. Our mission is to change that, to change that with our pioneering neuroscience and our new class of clinical stage product candidates called pherines. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:04:19Distinguished from all systemic oral medications approved by the FDA, our lead neuroactive pherines, fasedienol for social anxiety, itruvone for depression, and PH80 for menopausal hot flashes, are intentionally formulated as nasal sprays to rapidly activate unique nose-to-brain neurocircuitry to achieve therapeutic effects without requiring systemic uptake or direct action on neurons in the brain, and to do so with favorably differentiated safety profiles that we've observed in all clinical studies of our pherine product candidates that have been completed to date. pherines use the nose and key neurons located in the olfactory epithelium as a portal to activate neurocircuitry in different regions of the brain that impact multiple medical conditions. And again, they do that without having to travel through the whole body or even into the brain. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:05:16Those fundamental differences have enabled us to achieve historic clinical success in a phase III trial for the acute treatment of Social Anxiety Disorder or SAD, that we reported last year, as well as also see positive results in exploratory phase II trials involving patients with Major Depressive Disorder, Menopausal Hot Flashes, Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder, and Psychomotor Impairment due to mental fatigue. Our top priority, the lead neuroscience program in which the vast majority of our team and our capital are focused on, is our U.S. registration-directed PALISADE phase III program for fasedienol. That is our investigational pherine nasal spray for the acute treatment of SAD. There's no FDA-approved medication for the acute treatment of SAD, which is a very large, growing, and underserved market that affects 12% of adults in the U.S. As I noted many times, our principal goal is to change that. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:06:21Last year, with our PALISADE-2 phase III trial of fasedienol, we reported the first ever positive phase III trial of a drug candidate for the acute treatment of SAD. Earlier this year, we launched another phase III trial, PALISADE-3, designed similarly to PALISADE-2, with the objective of replicating the success of that study. Enrollment in the PALISADE-3 study is on track, and we're also on track to initiate our PALISADE-4 phase III study in the second half of this year, as we've previously guided. That study will have the same design as PALISADE-3 and the same objective of replicating the positive results from PALISADE-2. Both of these phase III studies, as well as an exploratory phase II-A repeat dose study, will read out next year. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:07:07We believe either PALISADE-3 or PALISADE-4, if successful, and together with PALISADE-2, may establish the substantial evidence of the effectiveness of fasedienol in support of a potential U.S. new drug application submission to the FDA, which, if approved, could establish fasedienol as the first-ever FDA-approved acute treatment of SAD. A new treatment option with the potential to be used on demand, as needed, by millions of Americans whose serious and sometimes life-threatening anxiety and fear of embarrassment, judgment, humiliation in a wide range of social and performance situations affect their daily lives over many years, and potentially, and unfortunately, sometimes lead to depression and even suicide. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:07:57So again, our U.S. registration-directed PALISADE phase III program for fasedienol for the acute treatment of SAD is our top priority, and we are on track and well-funded to do what's necessary to put us in a position with the potential to achieve that important and very valuable goal for patients and for our stockholders. We are also staging our other two leading clinical stage programs in depression and hot flashes for further phase II development in the U.S., building on positive results in exploratory phase IIa studies in each of these large market indications, each of which has stale standards of care and no non-systemic pharmacological treatment alternative. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:08:38We've seen, and what we've seen in phase II from non-systemic Itruvone for MDD and non-systemic hormone-free PH80 for menopausal hot flashes so far, as to both efficacy and safety, is driving our confidence in the potential of these product candidates to improve lives. Itruvone holds the potential to emerge as a novel and fundamentally distinct standalone treatment for major depressive disorder. We're preparing and strategizing for a phase II-B development of Itruvone in the U.S. as a product candidate with the potential to help individuals who suffer from depression gain relief from their MDD symptoms swiftly and without many side effects of currently available systemic treatment options. Itruvone is distinguished by its favorable safety profile that's been observed in studies that have been completed to date, which is not associated with unwanted sexual side effects, for example, or weight gain, or potential for abuse. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:09:37And finally, our non-systemic, hormone-free pherine product candidate for menopausal hot flashes, PH80, holds considerable medical and commercial promise in multiple women's health conditions, but most notably, menopausal hot flashes that affect millions of women around the world. Similar to what we've accomplished to enable further phase II development of Itruvone for MDD in the U.S. Our ongoing non-clinical program for PH80 aims to enable our U.S. IND to further phase II clinical development of PH80 in the U.S. as well, and to do that for menopausal hot flashes. We are confident that millions of women who are affected by menopausal hot flashes would prefer a novel, non-systemic, hormone-free treatment option over the current therapies. With that, I'll turn the call over to Cindy, our CFO, to summarize some of the financial highlights from the last quarter. Cindy? Cindy AndersonCFO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:10:34Thank you, Shawn. As Shawn mentioned, I will highlight a few financial results from our fiscal year 2025 Q1. I also encourage everyone to review our report on Form 10-Q, filed with the SEC earlier this afternoon, for additional details and disclosures. Research and development expenses were $7.6 million for the quarter ending June 30, 2024, compared to $4.2 million for the same period last year. The increase in R&D expenses was primarily due to an increase in clinical and development expenses related to the commencement of PALISADE-3, and costs related to preparation for the initiation of PALISADE-4 phase III trials of fasedienol and SAD, an increase in headcount costs, and an increase in consulting professional fees. Cindy AndersonCFO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:11:18General and administrative expenses were $4.6 million for the quarter ending June 30, 2024, compared to $3 million for the same period last year. The increase in G&A expenses was primarily due to an increase in headcount costs and professional service expenses to support the continued expansion of our administrative activities. Our net loss attributable to common shareholders was $10.7 million for the quarter ended June 30, 2024, compared to $6.9 million for the same period last year. As of June 30, 2024, we had cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities of $108.4 million. As a reminder, please refer to our quarterly report on Form 10-Q, filed today with the SEC, for additional details and disclosures. I will now turn the call back over to Shawn. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:12:07Thanks, Cindy. What drives our team day in and day out is the opportunity to improve patient lives with our pioneering neuroscience, along with the potential value for stockholders that often accompanies that type of, accomplishment. With our on-track progress in our U.S. registration-directed phase III program for fasedienol, it's aimed at the acute treatment of SAD, which is a mental health disorder that's growing in prevalence. It's now affecting over 30 million Americans on the other side of the pandemic, and none of them have yet an FDA-approved, flexible, patient-tailored acute treatment option. So we're confident in advancing on our goal to secure that first FDA approval. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:12:55It's a very serious and a very life-threatening and highly prevalent indication that requires the kind of serious attention and effort that our team's putting on driving this PALISADE phase III program forward, building on the success we've achieved last year from the PALISADE-2 study. On behalf of everybody at Vistagen, I just wanna thank you all for your continued interest and your continued support on our mission. Mark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen Therapeutics00:13:22Thank you, Shawn. Operator, we would now like to open the call up for questions from the sell-side analysts participating today. Operator00:13:31Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star and one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star and two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while we poll for questions. Our first question is from the line of Paul Matteis with Stifel. Please go ahead. Analyst at Stifel00:14:11Hey, thanks for taking our question. This is Mark on for Paul. You know, we were curious in just hearing if you can provide any color on, you know, the types of patients that are currently enrolling for phase III trials for fasedienol. That would be great. Thank you. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:14:28Sure, Mark. Thanks a lot. Josh, you wanna address that? Josh is on top, primary on top of our execution of the PALISADE program. Any just— Joshua PrinceCOO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:14:37Sure. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:14:37—brief insights, Josh? Joshua PrinceCOO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:14:40Yeah. So it's—I mean, it's very similar patients to those that were enrolled in our PALISADE-2 study. So, from an, you know, inclusion, exclusion criteria, LSAS scores greater than 70, for example, no other kind of primary, health disorders, no other primary, mental health disorders. It has to be, SAD would have to be primary, just those, those types of things. In addition, you know, some of the, the exclusion criteria that we had incorporated were elimination of, excessive smoking or vaping, for instance. But it's, but it's typically primary, primary SAD diagnosis with high enough, severity. That's the typical patients that are coming in. Analyst at Stifel00:15:31Thank you. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:15:34Thanks, Josh. It's important. Obviously, we do quite a bit to ensure that we've got folks that properly meet the IE criteria, and we also obviously are focusing on people with a disorder that's chronic. The typical onset with this disorder, as many people know, is in adolescence, and the duration is typically about 20 years. So you have people that obviously you want to get people involved who can be impacted by the medication. So we have a specific level set up to make sure that there's appropriate chronicity and severity. We also make sure that they haven't had any more recent medical issues that would have caused them to be ineligible for the study. Very high scrutiny and upfront in recruitment and lead generation and prescreening, as well as making sure people are perfectly aligned with our IE criteria. Analyst at Stifel00:16:30Thanks. Operator00:16:33Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Tsai with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Andrew TsaiManaging Director at Jefferies00:16:42Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for the updates, and thanks for taking my question. So, first one, for PALISADE-3, are you, by chance, seeing higher screen failure rates compared to PALISADE-1 and 2? And is there anything else that you might be seeing in real-time that gives you that extra boost of confidence you are doing the right thing, you know, enrolling the right patients and executing the study even more rigorously than last time? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:17:09Josh, you want to give a little further insight on that? Joshua PrinceCOO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:17:12Yes, absolutely. Thank you for the question. I think at this point, what we've seen in terms of screen failure rates, in terms of those that have a high enough score in the first public speaking challenge, in terms of an anxiety score, to move on to the second public speaking challenge, we've been pleasantly surprised that those rates have come in consistent with our projections. So we're seeing, you know, again, progress of the study that's in line with expectations towards the targets that we've established. And so I think in general, you know, really things going as expected there. Andrew TsaiManaging Director at Jefferies00:17:54And then can you remind us, how long it took for you to start and end PALISADE-1 and 2? I guess maybe PALISADE-1, and whether the enrollment cadence for PALISADE-3 is looking stronger, or faster than the first study? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:18:12Andrew, thanks for the question. The question, the enrollment cadence is on track with what we've guided. I mean, looking, you know, obviously, the black swan of the pandemic impacted a lot of activity in 1 and 2. What we've been so pleasantly surprised by, and not really surprised, but expected and happy to see, is how normative the clinical development environment is now. And how we are able to have a lot more predictability on the things that caused fits and starts in prior studies during the pandemic, especially PALISADE-1. So, I can tell you that we're comfortable with the cadence, and we're on track. Josh, anything else you want to add to that? Joshua PrinceCOO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:18:53I think that captures it. The one thing I should have mentioned before was the—there's just the reminder that we have two public speaking challenges, right? So a key part of this study is the screen out at visit two in the first public speaking challenge, of those subjects who don't have a high enough anxiety level to really show improvement. It's one of the things that differentiates our study. And it's not inclusion, exclusion, but it's a key piece of making sure that we have the right subjects moving forward to the randomization portion of the study. And those rates, those are critical for study execution. Those rates have been similar to what we observed in PALISADE-1 and PALISADE-2. Analyst at Stifel00:19:35Great. Last question is, what's the latest on the PALISADE-2 publication as well as a potential breakthrough designation filing? Thank you. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:19:49Andrew. Look, we, we know obviously what we achieved in PALISADE-2 is historic. No one's ever done it, and so that's given rise to interest in terms of manuscript that we will be submitting to a journal that we believe is the best fit for that. That's in a very nice, mature stage of development. The other part of it is, look, as you know, we've achieved Fast Track designation already. It's a serious and life-threatening indication. There's no question about that. What we achieved in PALISADE-2 is a very significant differentiator, so and we'll see how it goes. There's never any any guarantee you can make about any activity with the agency, but I like the the chances that we have in fitting the profile that's typically associated with moving beyond Fast Track. So we'll have to see. Analyst at Stifel00:20:41Perfect. Perfect. Thanks so much for the color. Thanks. Operator00:20:46Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Tim Lugo with William Blair. Please go ahead. Tim LugoHead of Biotech Equity Research at William Blair00:20:55Thanks for the question and congratulations on the progress in the quarter. Can you remind us if you had discussions with the FDA about self-administration in PALISADE-1 and 2 versus HCP administration in PALISADE-3 and 4, and how you expect that to impact any dosing language in the label? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:21:20Sure. Thanks, Tim. Sure. We've obviously submitted the protocols and to the agency, and they understand both of them. It's more consistent with what occurred in phase II, the HCP administration of the single dose. So again, you're trying to ensure that you've got no variability site to site. So we don't think it'll impact anything associated with what we see at the end of the day, if we're successful in 3 and 4, combined with 2, 3 or 4, combined with 2, and that is, you know, for the acute treatment of SAD, full stop, and up to multiple times a day, four to possibly even six times a day. Given, as you know, people have some days, no stressor events, and some days they have multiple different stressor events. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:22:07So we see the ability for patients to be able to use the drug on demand, and that's consistent with the kind of discussions we've had with the agency in the past. So we want it to be an opportunity for people to have this drug in their backpack, in their pocket, to be able to—Especially when they anticipate and predict stressors coming upon them, to be able to use it to knock down those symptoms that flare and cause them to not be able to either engage or to engage with all kinds of fear and disruptive anxiety, and fearing embarrassment or humiliation. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:22:45So we really do like, and I think that's part of why we're so comfortable with the patient-reported outcomes that are associated with the study design, both PGIC as well as the SUDS on the front end. We want patients to be in control, and what we've shown in PALISADE-2 is that they can be in control. And the same thing now to replicate the efficacy of the drug, just to ensure that you've got no potential variability with the use. We'll still do also a pretty normal Human Factor Test downstream, but we don't see any issues. Tim LugoHead of Biotech Equity Research at William Blair00:23:21Okay. And can you, I think maybe I missed this in the prepared commentary, but was there any granularity on the phase IIb and MDD, when that's going to be kicked off? Is that by end? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:23:35No, it won't be by year-end. Right now we are working with some really good KOLs around the hoop on that program, and so we're finalizing. Got a solid protocol synopsis. It's developed. We're now moving that into the full protocol, which we'll submit to the agency before the end of the year, and so we'll see how things progress on the other side of that. Tim LugoHead of Biotech Equity Research at William Blair00:23:59Okay, thank you. Operator00:24:03Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star and one. Our next question is from the line of Madison El-Saadi with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead. Madison El-SaadiResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:24:21Hey, guys. Congrats on the progress you made, and thanks for taking my question. So a couple from me: Could you remind us if PALISADE-4 will be performed at the same clinical sites as PALISADE-3? And will we see top-line data from PALISADE-3 before dosing starts in PALISADE-4? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:24:48So the first question was, will there be distinct sites in the studies? And the answer to that is yes. We'll have about 15-16 sites per study, and we're not anticipating any overlap in the sites from the two studies. And then I'm not quite sure I heard the last part of the question, but if it was associated with when we'll initiate PALISADE-4, is that what it was? Madison El-SaadiResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:25:11If, if we'll see top-line data from PALISADE-3 before dosing starts in PALISADE-4. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:25:19No. No, PALISADE-3 top-line data, both those studies will read out in 2025. So currently, our target for PALISADE-3 is mid-2025, and for PALISADE-4 will be near the end of 2025. Both of them, every aspect of the phase III program, every single component of it that remains associated with this U.S.-directed, registration-directed program, will be started this year and completed next year. Madison El-SaadiResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:25:49Got it. That's, that's helpful. And then if I could ask, what are, I guess, the gating steps to the MDD phase II-B trial? And it looks like, you guys have kind of reached the top of the dose efficacy curve, with the current 6.4 microgram dose. Is that how you're looking at it, or could that dose change? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:26:15No, we think that's where we'll land. We saw some very nice success in the phase IIa study at 2 different dose levels, and where I think we're landing on that one. Again, we're trying to finalize the protocol, working with some of the KOLs you all have seen on our SAB, Maurizio Fava, Gerry Sanacora, Sanjay Mathew, Michael Liebowitz, all with long-term experience in depression. And what we see, again, with this drug, similar to obviously the way that we've achieved clinical success with the other pherines, is to be able to get there through neurocircuitry-focused MOAs that do not drive on to the same side effect and safety profile lane as we've typically seen every single drug that's out there. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:26:59And so what we think we can do here in a standalone, monotherapy study, and we'll probably shoot it over 6 weeks, with the 6.4 dose, double blind, placebo control, 1:1 randomization. We'll lean into Hamilton. HAMD-17 is the primary endpoint, just like we did in phase II. A lot of that has to do with what we've seen with anxious depression, and the benefits that we've seen there with this asset. So, get it, it'll be a, a fairly conventional, approach to from an endpoint standpoint, and, and I think a 6-week program is what we're looking at by, twice a day, dosing over 6 weeks. At the 6.4 microgram level. Madison El-SaadiResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:27:45Got it. Thank you. Operator00:27:52Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions. I would now hand the conference over to Mark McPartland for his closing comments. Mark? Mark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen Therapeutics00:28:03Thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for participating on the call today. If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to contact us by email at ir@vistagen.com or the Contact Us section of the website. We also encourage you to register for email updates on the website to stay connected to the latest news and events for Vistagen. Thank you all again for participating on the call. We appreciate everyone's interest and support. We look forward to keeping you updated on our ongoing progress. This concludes the call. Have a magnificent day. Operator00:28:40Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference of Vistagen Therapeutics has now concluded. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.Read moreParticipantsAnalystsAndrew TsaiManaging Director at JefferiesCindy AndersonCFO at Vistagen TherapeuticsJoshua PrinceCOO at Vistagen TherapeuticsMadison El-SaadiResearch Analyst at B. Riley SecuritiesMark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen TherapeuticsShawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen TherapeuticsTim LugoHead of Biotech Equity Research at William BlairAnalyst at StifelPowered by Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) VistaGen Therapeutics Earnings HeadlinesIs Vistagen Therapeutics, Inc. 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Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on VistaGen Therapeutics and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About VistaGen TherapeuticsVistaGen Therapeutics (NASDAQ:VTGN) (NASDAQ:VTGN) is a clinical-stage biopharmaceutical company dedicated to the discovery and development of next-generation medicines for central nervous system disorders. Incorporated in Delaware in 1998 and headquartered in South San Francisco, California, VistaGen applies advanced human pluripotent stem cell technologies to accelerate drug candidate validation and optimization. The company’s core focus is on addressing unmet medical needs in major depressive disorder, neuropathic pain and dermatological conditions. The company’s lead candidate, AV-101, is an oral prodrug designed to modulate glutamatergic neurotransmission via the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptor pathway, with clinical programs targeting major depressive disorder and neuropathic pain. VistaGen also develops PH-10, a topical neuroactive small molecule in clinical development for psoriasis and atopic dermatitis. To broaden its development reach, VistaGen has entered strategic partnerships, including a licensing agreement with Yuhan Corporation for AV-101 in South Korea, and continues to advance its clinical and regulatory strategy primarily in North America and Asia. VistaGen’s proprietary Human Clinical Drug Rescue and ReRationalization platform employs patient-derived pluripotent stem cell–derived neural and cardiac cells to predict clinical efficacy and safety, reduce late-stage development risk and complement traditional preclinical models. This platform supports both in-house pipeline programs and collaborative research initiatives. Leading the company is President and Chief Executive Officer Shawn K. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, greetings and welcome to Vistagen Therapeutics Fiscal Year 2025 Q1 corporate update conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star and zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mark McPartland, SVP, Investor Relations at Vistagen. Please go ahead. Mark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen Therapeutics00:00:40Thank you, Ryan, and good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Vistagen's Fiscal Year 2025 Q1 Corporate Update Conference Call and Webcast. This afternoon, we filed our quarterly report with the Securities and Exchange Commission on SEC Form 10-Q for our quarter ended June 30, 2024, and issued a press release providing an overview of our continued progress. We encourage you to review the release and our 10-Q, which can be found in the investor section of our website. We will make forward-looking statements regarding our business during today's call based on current expectations and information. These forward-looking statements speak only as of today. Except as required by law, we do not assume any duty to update any forward-looking statements made today or in the future. Mark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen Therapeutics00:01:31Of course, forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, and our actual results could differ materially from those anticipated by any forward-looking statements we make today. Additional information concerning risks and factors that could affect our business and financial results is included in our fiscal year 2025 Q1 10-Q for the period ending June 30, 2024, and will be made in the future filings that we make with the SEC from time to time, all of which will be available in the investor section of our website and, of course, on the SEC's website. With the formalities completed, we warmly welcome our stockholders, sell-side analysts, and others interested in Vistagen. I'm joined on our call today by Shawn Singh, our Chief Executive Officer; Cindy Anderson, our Chief Financial Officer; and Josh Prince, our Chief Operating Officer. Mark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen Therapeutics00:02:28Shawn will provide an update on the lead programs in our novel class of neurocircuitry-focused pherine drug candidates and our clinical stage pipeline. After that, the conclusion of our prepared remarks, there will be a brief opportunity for the questions from the sell-side analysts participating on the call. As a reminder, this call is being webcast and will be available for replay after completion. The replay link can also be found in the investor section of our website. I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Shawn Singh. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:03:04Thank you, Mark, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining our call today. For those of you who are joining us for the first time, we're a neuroscience company with a diverse pipeline that includes multiple clinical stage product candidates in phase II and phase III development. Each of these is a novel, non-systemic, neurocircuitry-focused product candidate. Our three lead clinical development programs target large markets with stale standards of care that leave millions of individuals with unsatisfied medical needs, specifically individuals affected by the profound fear and anxiety associated with social anxiety disorder, the serious and potentially life-threatening impacts of depression, and the disruptive effects of menopausal hot flashes. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:03:52For decades, the standard of care in these markets, these very large indications, has been anchored in oral medications that require systemic uptake and are associated with a bundle of worrisome side effects and safety concerns, prolonged onset of action, and limited efficacy. Our mission is to change that, to change that with our pioneering neuroscience and our new class of clinical stage product candidates called pherines. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:04:19Distinguished from all systemic oral medications approved by the FDA, our lead neuroactive pherines, fasedienol for social anxiety, itruvone for depression, and PH80 for menopausal hot flashes, are intentionally formulated as nasal sprays to rapidly activate unique nose-to-brain neurocircuitry to achieve therapeutic effects without requiring systemic uptake or direct action on neurons in the brain, and to do so with favorably differentiated safety profiles that we've observed in all clinical studies of our pherine product candidates that have been completed to date. pherines use the nose and key neurons located in the olfactory epithelium as a portal to activate neurocircuitry in different regions of the brain that impact multiple medical conditions. And again, they do that without having to travel through the whole body or even into the brain. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:05:16Those fundamental differences have enabled us to achieve historic clinical success in a phase III trial for the acute treatment of Social Anxiety Disorder or SAD, that we reported last year, as well as also see positive results in exploratory phase II trials involving patients with Major Depressive Disorder, Menopausal Hot Flashes, Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder, and Psychomotor Impairment due to mental fatigue. Our top priority, the lead neuroscience program in which the vast majority of our team and our capital are focused on, is our U.S. registration-directed PALISADE phase III program for fasedienol. That is our investigational pherine nasal spray for the acute treatment of SAD. There's no FDA-approved medication for the acute treatment of SAD, which is a very large, growing, and underserved market that affects 12% of adults in the U.S. As I noted many times, our principal goal is to change that. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:06:21Last year, with our PALISADE-2 phase III trial of fasedienol, we reported the first ever positive phase III trial of a drug candidate for the acute treatment of SAD. Earlier this year, we launched another phase III trial, PALISADE-3, designed similarly to PALISADE-2, with the objective of replicating the success of that study. Enrollment in the PALISADE-3 study is on track, and we're also on track to initiate our PALISADE-4 phase III study in the second half of this year, as we've previously guided. That study will have the same design as PALISADE-3 and the same objective of replicating the positive results from PALISADE-2. Both of these phase III studies, as well as an exploratory phase II-A repeat dose study, will read out next year. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:07:07We believe either PALISADE-3 or PALISADE-4, if successful, and together with PALISADE-2, may establish the substantial evidence of the effectiveness of fasedienol in support of a potential U.S. new drug application submission to the FDA, which, if approved, could establish fasedienol as the first-ever FDA-approved acute treatment of SAD. A new treatment option with the potential to be used on demand, as needed, by millions of Americans whose serious and sometimes life-threatening anxiety and fear of embarrassment, judgment, humiliation in a wide range of social and performance situations affect their daily lives over many years, and potentially, and unfortunately, sometimes lead to depression and even suicide. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:07:57So again, our U.S. registration-directed PALISADE phase III program for fasedienol for the acute treatment of SAD is our top priority, and we are on track and well-funded to do what's necessary to put us in a position with the potential to achieve that important and very valuable goal for patients and for our stockholders. We are also staging our other two leading clinical stage programs in depression and hot flashes for further phase II development in the U.S., building on positive results in exploratory phase IIa studies in each of these large market indications, each of which has stale standards of care and no non-systemic pharmacological treatment alternative. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:08:38We've seen, and what we've seen in phase II from non-systemic Itruvone for MDD and non-systemic hormone-free PH80 for menopausal hot flashes so far, as to both efficacy and safety, is driving our confidence in the potential of these product candidates to improve lives. Itruvone holds the potential to emerge as a novel and fundamentally distinct standalone treatment for major depressive disorder. We're preparing and strategizing for a phase II-B development of Itruvone in the U.S. as a product candidate with the potential to help individuals who suffer from depression gain relief from their MDD symptoms swiftly and without many side effects of currently available systemic treatment options. Itruvone is distinguished by its favorable safety profile that's been observed in studies that have been completed to date, which is not associated with unwanted sexual side effects, for example, or weight gain, or potential for abuse. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:09:37And finally, our non-systemic, hormone-free pherine product candidate for menopausal hot flashes, PH80, holds considerable medical and commercial promise in multiple women's health conditions, but most notably, menopausal hot flashes that affect millions of women around the world. Similar to what we've accomplished to enable further phase II development of Itruvone for MDD in the U.S. Our ongoing non-clinical program for PH80 aims to enable our U.S. IND to further phase II clinical development of PH80 in the U.S. as well, and to do that for menopausal hot flashes. We are confident that millions of women who are affected by menopausal hot flashes would prefer a novel, non-systemic, hormone-free treatment option over the current therapies. With that, I'll turn the call over to Cindy, our CFO, to summarize some of the financial highlights from the last quarter. Cindy? Cindy AndersonCFO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:10:34Thank you, Shawn. As Shawn mentioned, I will highlight a few financial results from our fiscal year 2025 Q1. I also encourage everyone to review our report on Form 10-Q, filed with the SEC earlier this afternoon, for additional details and disclosures. Research and development expenses were $7.6 million for the quarter ending June 30, 2024, compared to $4.2 million for the same period last year. The increase in R&D expenses was primarily due to an increase in clinical and development expenses related to the commencement of PALISADE-3, and costs related to preparation for the initiation of PALISADE-4 phase III trials of fasedienol and SAD, an increase in headcount costs, and an increase in consulting professional fees. Cindy AndersonCFO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:11:18General and administrative expenses were $4.6 million for the quarter ending June 30, 2024, compared to $3 million for the same period last year. The increase in G&A expenses was primarily due to an increase in headcount costs and professional service expenses to support the continued expansion of our administrative activities. Our net loss attributable to common shareholders was $10.7 million for the quarter ended June 30, 2024, compared to $6.9 million for the same period last year. As of June 30, 2024, we had cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities of $108.4 million. As a reminder, please refer to our quarterly report on Form 10-Q, filed today with the SEC, for additional details and disclosures. I will now turn the call back over to Shawn. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:12:07Thanks, Cindy. What drives our team day in and day out is the opportunity to improve patient lives with our pioneering neuroscience, along with the potential value for stockholders that often accompanies that type of, accomplishment. With our on-track progress in our U.S. registration-directed phase III program for fasedienol, it's aimed at the acute treatment of SAD, which is a mental health disorder that's growing in prevalence. It's now affecting over 30 million Americans on the other side of the pandemic, and none of them have yet an FDA-approved, flexible, patient-tailored acute treatment option. So we're confident in advancing on our goal to secure that first FDA approval. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:12:55It's a very serious and a very life-threatening and highly prevalent indication that requires the kind of serious attention and effort that our team's putting on driving this PALISADE phase III program forward, building on the success we've achieved last year from the PALISADE-2 study. On behalf of everybody at Vistagen, I just wanna thank you all for your continued interest and your continued support on our mission. Mark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen Therapeutics00:13:22Thank you, Shawn. Operator, we would now like to open the call up for questions from the sell-side analysts participating today. Operator00:13:31Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star and one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star and two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while we poll for questions. Our first question is from the line of Paul Matteis with Stifel. Please go ahead. Analyst at Stifel00:14:11Hey, thanks for taking our question. This is Mark on for Paul. You know, we were curious in just hearing if you can provide any color on, you know, the types of patients that are currently enrolling for phase III trials for fasedienol. That would be great. Thank you. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:14:28Sure, Mark. Thanks a lot. Josh, you wanna address that? Josh is on top, primary on top of our execution of the PALISADE program. Any just— Joshua PrinceCOO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:14:37Sure. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:14:37—brief insights, Josh? Joshua PrinceCOO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:14:40Yeah. So it's—I mean, it's very similar patients to those that were enrolled in our PALISADE-2 study. So, from an, you know, inclusion, exclusion criteria, LSAS scores greater than 70, for example, no other kind of primary, health disorders, no other primary, mental health disorders. It has to be, SAD would have to be primary, just those, those types of things. In addition, you know, some of the, the exclusion criteria that we had incorporated were elimination of, excessive smoking or vaping, for instance. But it's, but it's typically primary, primary SAD diagnosis with high enough, severity. That's the typical patients that are coming in. Analyst at Stifel00:15:31Thank you. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:15:34Thanks, Josh. It's important. Obviously, we do quite a bit to ensure that we've got folks that properly meet the IE criteria, and we also obviously are focusing on people with a disorder that's chronic. The typical onset with this disorder, as many people know, is in adolescence, and the duration is typically about 20 years. So you have people that obviously you want to get people involved who can be impacted by the medication. So we have a specific level set up to make sure that there's appropriate chronicity and severity. We also make sure that they haven't had any more recent medical issues that would have caused them to be ineligible for the study. Very high scrutiny and upfront in recruitment and lead generation and prescreening, as well as making sure people are perfectly aligned with our IE criteria. Analyst at Stifel00:16:30Thanks. Operator00:16:33Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Tsai with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Andrew TsaiManaging Director at Jefferies00:16:42Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for the updates, and thanks for taking my question. So, first one, for PALISADE-3, are you, by chance, seeing higher screen failure rates compared to PALISADE-1 and 2? And is there anything else that you might be seeing in real-time that gives you that extra boost of confidence you are doing the right thing, you know, enrolling the right patients and executing the study even more rigorously than last time? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:17:09Josh, you want to give a little further insight on that? Joshua PrinceCOO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:17:12Yes, absolutely. Thank you for the question. I think at this point, what we've seen in terms of screen failure rates, in terms of those that have a high enough score in the first public speaking challenge, in terms of an anxiety score, to move on to the second public speaking challenge, we've been pleasantly surprised that those rates have come in consistent with our projections. So we're seeing, you know, again, progress of the study that's in line with expectations towards the targets that we've established. And so I think in general, you know, really things going as expected there. Andrew TsaiManaging Director at Jefferies00:17:54And then can you remind us, how long it took for you to start and end PALISADE-1 and 2? I guess maybe PALISADE-1, and whether the enrollment cadence for PALISADE-3 is looking stronger, or faster than the first study? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:18:12Andrew, thanks for the question. The question, the enrollment cadence is on track with what we've guided. I mean, looking, you know, obviously, the black swan of the pandemic impacted a lot of activity in 1 and 2. What we've been so pleasantly surprised by, and not really surprised, but expected and happy to see, is how normative the clinical development environment is now. And how we are able to have a lot more predictability on the things that caused fits and starts in prior studies during the pandemic, especially PALISADE-1. So, I can tell you that we're comfortable with the cadence, and we're on track. Josh, anything else you want to add to that? Joshua PrinceCOO at Vistagen Therapeutics00:18:53I think that captures it. The one thing I should have mentioned before was the—there's just the reminder that we have two public speaking challenges, right? So a key part of this study is the screen out at visit two in the first public speaking challenge, of those subjects who don't have a high enough anxiety level to really show improvement. It's one of the things that differentiates our study. And it's not inclusion, exclusion, but it's a key piece of making sure that we have the right subjects moving forward to the randomization portion of the study. And those rates, those are critical for study execution. Those rates have been similar to what we observed in PALISADE-1 and PALISADE-2. Analyst at Stifel00:19:35Great. Last question is, what's the latest on the PALISADE-2 publication as well as a potential breakthrough designation filing? Thank you. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:19:49Andrew. Look, we, we know obviously what we achieved in PALISADE-2 is historic. No one's ever done it, and so that's given rise to interest in terms of manuscript that we will be submitting to a journal that we believe is the best fit for that. That's in a very nice, mature stage of development. The other part of it is, look, as you know, we've achieved Fast Track designation already. It's a serious and life-threatening indication. There's no question about that. What we achieved in PALISADE-2 is a very significant differentiator, so and we'll see how it goes. There's never any any guarantee you can make about any activity with the agency, but I like the the chances that we have in fitting the profile that's typically associated with moving beyond Fast Track. So we'll have to see. Analyst at Stifel00:20:41Perfect. Perfect. Thanks so much for the color. Thanks. Operator00:20:46Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Tim Lugo with William Blair. Please go ahead. Tim LugoHead of Biotech Equity Research at William Blair00:20:55Thanks for the question and congratulations on the progress in the quarter. Can you remind us if you had discussions with the FDA about self-administration in PALISADE-1 and 2 versus HCP administration in PALISADE-3 and 4, and how you expect that to impact any dosing language in the label? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:21:20Sure. Thanks, Tim. Sure. We've obviously submitted the protocols and to the agency, and they understand both of them. It's more consistent with what occurred in phase II, the HCP administration of the single dose. So again, you're trying to ensure that you've got no variability site to site. So we don't think it'll impact anything associated with what we see at the end of the day, if we're successful in 3 and 4, combined with 2, 3 or 4, combined with 2, and that is, you know, for the acute treatment of SAD, full stop, and up to multiple times a day, four to possibly even six times a day. Given, as you know, people have some days, no stressor events, and some days they have multiple different stressor events. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:22:07So we see the ability for patients to be able to use the drug on demand, and that's consistent with the kind of discussions we've had with the agency in the past. So we want it to be an opportunity for people to have this drug in their backpack, in their pocket, to be able to—Especially when they anticipate and predict stressors coming upon them, to be able to use it to knock down those symptoms that flare and cause them to not be able to either engage or to engage with all kinds of fear and disruptive anxiety, and fearing embarrassment or humiliation. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:22:45So we really do like, and I think that's part of why we're so comfortable with the patient-reported outcomes that are associated with the study design, both PGIC as well as the SUDS on the front end. We want patients to be in control, and what we've shown in PALISADE-2 is that they can be in control. And the same thing now to replicate the efficacy of the drug, just to ensure that you've got no potential variability with the use. We'll still do also a pretty normal Human Factor Test downstream, but we don't see any issues. Tim LugoHead of Biotech Equity Research at William Blair00:23:21Okay. And can you, I think maybe I missed this in the prepared commentary, but was there any granularity on the phase IIb and MDD, when that's going to be kicked off? Is that by end? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:23:35No, it won't be by year-end. Right now we are working with some really good KOLs around the hoop on that program, and so we're finalizing. Got a solid protocol synopsis. It's developed. We're now moving that into the full protocol, which we'll submit to the agency before the end of the year, and so we'll see how things progress on the other side of that. Tim LugoHead of Biotech Equity Research at William Blair00:23:59Okay, thank you. Operator00:24:03Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star and one. Our next question is from the line of Madison El-Saadi with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead. Madison El-SaadiResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:24:21Hey, guys. Congrats on the progress you made, and thanks for taking my question. So a couple from me: Could you remind us if PALISADE-4 will be performed at the same clinical sites as PALISADE-3? And will we see top-line data from PALISADE-3 before dosing starts in PALISADE-4? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:24:48So the first question was, will there be distinct sites in the studies? And the answer to that is yes. We'll have about 15-16 sites per study, and we're not anticipating any overlap in the sites from the two studies. And then I'm not quite sure I heard the last part of the question, but if it was associated with when we'll initiate PALISADE-4, is that what it was? Madison El-SaadiResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:25:11If, if we'll see top-line data from PALISADE-3 before dosing starts in PALISADE-4. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:25:19No. No, PALISADE-3 top-line data, both those studies will read out in 2025. So currently, our target for PALISADE-3 is mid-2025, and for PALISADE-4 will be near the end of 2025. Both of them, every aspect of the phase III program, every single component of it that remains associated with this U.S.-directed, registration-directed program, will be started this year and completed next year. Madison El-SaadiResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:25:49Got it. That's, that's helpful. And then if I could ask, what are, I guess, the gating steps to the MDD phase II-B trial? And it looks like, you guys have kind of reached the top of the dose efficacy curve, with the current 6.4 microgram dose. Is that how you're looking at it, or could that dose change? Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:26:15No, we think that's where we'll land. We saw some very nice success in the phase IIa study at 2 different dose levels, and where I think we're landing on that one. Again, we're trying to finalize the protocol, working with some of the KOLs you all have seen on our SAB, Maurizio Fava, Gerry Sanacora, Sanjay Mathew, Michael Liebowitz, all with long-term experience in depression. And what we see, again, with this drug, similar to obviously the way that we've achieved clinical success with the other pherines, is to be able to get there through neurocircuitry-focused MOAs that do not drive on to the same side effect and safety profile lane as we've typically seen every single drug that's out there. Shawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen Therapeutics00:26:59And so what we think we can do here in a standalone, monotherapy study, and we'll probably shoot it over 6 weeks, with the 6.4 dose, double blind, placebo control, 1:1 randomization. We'll lean into Hamilton. HAMD-17 is the primary endpoint, just like we did in phase II. A lot of that has to do with what we've seen with anxious depression, and the benefits that we've seen there with this asset. So, get it, it'll be a, a fairly conventional, approach to from an endpoint standpoint, and, and I think a 6-week program is what we're looking at by, twice a day, dosing over 6 weeks. At the 6.4 microgram level. Madison El-SaadiResearch Analyst at B. Riley Securities00:27:45Got it. Thank you. Operator00:27:52Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions. I would now hand the conference over to Mark McPartland for his closing comments. Mark? Mark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen Therapeutics00:28:03Thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for participating on the call today. If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to contact us by email at ir@vistagen.com or the Contact Us section of the website. We also encourage you to register for email updates on the website to stay connected to the latest news and events for Vistagen. Thank you all again for participating on the call. We appreciate everyone's interest and support. We look forward to keeping you updated on our ongoing progress. This concludes the call. Have a magnificent day. Operator00:28:40Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference of Vistagen Therapeutics has now concluded. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.Read moreParticipantsAnalystsAndrew TsaiManaging Director at JefferiesCindy AndersonCFO at Vistagen TherapeuticsJoshua PrinceCOO at Vistagen TherapeuticsMadison El-SaadiResearch Analyst at B. Riley SecuritiesMark McPartlandSVP and Head of Investor Relations at Vistagen TherapeuticsShawn SinghPresident, CEO, and Director at Vistagen TherapeuticsTim LugoHead of Biotech Equity Research at William BlairAnalyst at StifelPowered by