Enovis Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Second-quarter results: Reported revenue rose 23% year-over-year (5% on a comparable basis) and adjusted EBITDA margin expanded by 190 basis points to 17.2%, driven by scale, productivity improvements, and the Lima integration.
  • Lima integration on track: Q2 integration-related dis-synergies peaked within the expected $20–30 million range, and teams remain confident in achieving $40 million of cost synergies within three years, with early cross-selling benefits already emerging.
  • U.S. Recon soft patch: U.S. Recon grew just 1% in Q2 (including 2% in knees and hips) versus a historical ~17%, reflecting temporary integration headwinds and product cycle gaps, though management expects growth to accelerate in H2.
  • H2 product pipeline: Key launches planned include enhanced revision knee cones, new hip stems and impaction system, the Ultivate Reverse Augmented Glenoid System, and the Arvus shoulder platform, poised to drive above-market growth.
  • Tightened full-year guidance: Revenue is now expected at $2.08–2.13 billion with adjusted EBITDA of $368–383 million (upgraded EPS to $2.62–2.77), reflecting a forecasted Q3 step-down followed by a strong Q4 seasonal recovery.
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Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Enovis Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kyle Rose, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Kyle Rose
Kyle Rose
VP of Investor Relations at Enovis

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for our second quarter 2024 results conference call. I'm Kyle Rose, Vice President of Investor Relations. Joining me on the call today are Matt Trerotola, Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Ben Berry, Chief Financial Officer. Our earnings release was issued earlier this morning and is available in the investor section of our website, enovis.com. We will be using a slide presentation in today's call, which can also be found on our website. Both the audio and the presentation of the call will be archived on the website later today. During the call, we'll be making some forward-looking statements about our beliefs and estimates regarding future events and results. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, including those set forth in the safe harbor language in today's earnings release and in our filings with the SEC.

Kyle Rose
Kyle Rose
VP of Investor Relations at Enovis

Actual results might differ materially from any forward-looking statements that we make today. The forward-looking statements speak only as of today, and we do not assume any obligation or intend to update them, except as required by law. For further details regarding any non-GAAP financial measures referenced during the call today, the accompanying reconciliation information relating to those measures can be found in our earnings press release and in the appendix of today's slide presentation. With that, I'll turn it over to Matt, and we'll begin on slide three. Matt?

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Thanks, Kyle. Hello, everyone, and thanks for joining us this morning. Let's start on slide three. We had an exciting first six months of 2024. We've made tremendous progress on the integration of Lima and delivered on our plans for sustainable, profitable growth. In the second quarter, we delivered reported growth of 23% year-over-year and 5% on a comparable basis. We expanded adjusted EBITDA margins by 190 basis points, reflecting the mix of Recon, productivity improvements, and a step change impact from Lima. Overall, we are pleased with our accomplishments in the first half of 2024 and are confident that we've set ourselves up for a strong second half of the year. In Recon, on slide four, we delivered 60% reported global revenue growth.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Recon grew 7% on a comparable basis in the quarter, or about 10% when adjusting for estimated impacts from planned integration related to synergies. We continue to see the majority of integration-related impacts in our directly overlapping U.S. Recon business. In the quarter, U.S. Recon grew 1%, including 2% growth in U.S. extremities and 2% in hips and knees. While these U.S. growth numbers are well below our typical growth levels, the causes are well understood and temporary. In the international markets, we grew 14% in a resilient market while we continued to execute our integration plans. On slide five, I want to update you on the progress we've made since closing the Lima acquisition on January 3rd. Since day one, our integration activities have gotten off to a strong start with no major unforeseen issues.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

We have achieved significant progress and have developed a detailed multi-year plan that will position us as a premier, high-growth global orthopedics player. As we've learned from prior acquisitions, we've been laser-focused over the first six months, getting our commercial channels aligned. Our goal has always been to move quickly, endure short-term disruption, and put the teams and processes in place to execute our proven strategy to drive sustainable long-term growth. We've made terrific progress here. Our U.S. sales force has been solidified under our legacy Enovis structure, and international markets are about 70% complete. Our overall revenue associated with the acquisition continues to track slightly ahead of our original estimates. We believe dissynergies peaked in Q2 as expected and will moderate as we move into the second half and start realizing some of the exciting cross-selling opportunities.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

With the progress we've made, we expect to be comfortably within our initial guidance range of $20 million-$30 million of negative revenue impact. Our value creation plan on the cost side is similarly on track. Our cost synergy targets of $40 million within 3 years represents about 13% of legacy Lima revenues, something we believe is significant but achievable. This comes from eliminating duplicative support functions, leveraging our manufacturing scale and footprint, and improving global business processes. Our teams have diligent plans to attack these opportunities in the near and long term, with an eye towards minimizing any commercial impact and accelerating investment in key R&D programs. We'll dig deeper into our US Recon growth performance on slide 6. We are passing through several slower growth quarters, as expected, but have a clear plan and path to accelerate.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

As we outlined earlier, the U.S. Recon business felt most of the integration-related dissynergies, estimated to be about 3%-4% of growth impact in the first half across hips, knees, and shoulder. Looking at our U.S. knee and hip business, our year-to-date growth of 2% is a stark divergence from our historical trend of 17% per year or more. That said, we believe growth rates in U.S. knees remain above market levels, despite a very strong prior year comparison and headwinds from the channel consolidation. We have continued to grow our knee surgeon base and expect a nice growth acceleration in the second half as our cones launch enables further penetration into revision, and ARVIS continues to ramp. U.S. hips have been under pressure the last couple of quarters.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

In addition to the Lima integration impacts, we are between product cycles at a time of shifting market needs. We're addressing this shift with new products that are expected to be launched around year-end to drive strong growth in 2025 and beyond. These include a surgical impaction system and several new hip stem designs that address the accelerating trend to Direct Anterior procedures. In U.S. extremities, sustained double-digit growth in our foot and ankle business has been offset by some temporary headwinds in our shoulder business. As a reminder, U.S. shoulder is the segment with the most direct overlap with Lima, and thus felt the brunt of the channel disruption we saw through the first half. We also have a key technology launching in Q3, the AltiVate Reverse Augmented Glenoid system.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

This product addresses the growing desire from surgeons to use augments for better outcomes in complex cases and has a significant increase on our revenue per procedure. We're also creating a lot of positive energy with ARVIS shoulder, which has already been used for cases and will be in a controlled launch for the balance of the year. ARVIS will bring shoulder surgeons the opportunity to seamlessly connect planning with their procedural workflow, creating the opportunity for repeatable procedures without the cost or time limitation of large robotic solutions. These great new products will reestablish our above-market growth as a strong, innovation-driven leader in shoulder. Finally, we continue to feed innovation into the strong foot and ankle channel that we've built to sustain our well above-market growth. Overall, we're excited about the innovations coming to the market across our anatomies in the second half.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

And with our newly aligned channel, we're confident we can accelerate our growth back to more normal levels as we exit the year. Turning to P&R on Slide seven, our 3% comparable growth reflect a stable market environment and disciplined execution. We continue to work on improving our portfolio and strengthening our market-leading positions. We're doing this by launching new innovations in bracing and recovery sciences and shifting both portfolios to higher growth, higher value segments. This is reading through adjusted EBITDA margins. P&R improved 50 basis points year-over-year, as we continue to leverage EGX tools to drive consistent productivity improvements and improve the portfolio mix. Additionally, as we work to shape the portfolio, we exited and sold off assets of a small, unprofitable business, which impacted sales by $4 million in the quarter.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Overall, I'm pleased with our first half 2024 performance, and I'm confident we're set up to accelerate growth and profitability in the second half. Now I'll let Ben take you through the P&L details. Ben?

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Thanks, Matt. Hello, everyone. I'll begin my remarks on slide eight. We are pleased to report second quarter sales of $525 million, which is up 23% versus prior year and 5% on a comparable basis. The first six months of the year have required diligent execution from all members of our commercial and internal teams, and we've been extremely pleased with the collaboration and high-quality integration plans that we've executed against, and the bright future that we've created by reshaping our portfolio. Our underlying growth in P&R remains stable, growing at 3%, and Recon growth of 7% includes about 3% of negative headwinds from channel integration efforts, as we expected and signaled on our Q1 call. Second quarter adjusted gross margin was 59.6%, up 160 basis points year-over-year.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

This growth was driven by leverage from scale and favorable segment mix that includes the addition of Lima. Our second adjusted EBITDA grew 36%, delivering a margin of 17.2%, up 190 basis points versus Q2 2023. Second quarter effective tax rate was 24%, compared to 18% last year. Interest expense was $17 million for the quarter versus $4 million in 2023. Overall, we posted Adjusted Earnings Per Share of $0.62. Foreign currency exchange translation had unfavorable impacts of about 0.5% on sales and approximately $0.01 per share for the quarter. Turning to slide nine, we are adjusting our prior guidance to reflect the results through the first six months of the year. We now expect revenues in the range of $2.08 billion-$2.13 billion.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

This tightens our previous guidance range, and the growth expectations remain in line with previous guidance. We expect this growth to accelerate in the second half of the year as we annualize higher prior year comps and begin realizing benefits from cross-selling and new product launches, particularly in Q4. We expect adjusted EBITDA in the range of $368 million-$383 million. This is also in line with our prior guidance. During the second quarter, we put an additional currency swap in place, which reduces our net interest expense by about $10 million. So we are updating our full-year interest expense range to $60 million-$65 million. We are raising our estimated tax rate assumption by 1% for the year to 22% to account for geographic revenue mix. Our guidance for depreciation and share count remains unchanged from prior guidance.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Taking all of this into consideration, we are raising our adjusted earnings per share range by $0.10 to $2.62-$2.77. I also want to take a moment to provide additional comments regarding phasing into the second half of the year. This we'll outline on slide 10. We do not plan to provide quarterly guidance on an ongoing basis, but given the complexity and changes brought on by Lima, we felt it would be helpful in year one. We expect to see higher seasonality moving forward as Lima brings a slightly different seasonal mix, given its higher international revenue profile. As such, we expect to see a higher quarter-over-quarter step down in revenues in Q3, followed by a bigger step up in the seasonally strong fourth quarter.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

We adjusted EBITDA will trend similarly with a step down in Q3, followed by a strong Q4. We still expect a significant step up in our margins for the full year, which is aligned with our prior guidance and highlighted in our full year estimates on slide nine. To summarize, on slide 11, we had a solid start to 2024, executing against our strategic goals. We continue to positively shape our business and are building momentum as we advance the integration of Lima. We will continue to leverage our business system and position the business to accelerate through the second half of the year and deliver strong financial results. Now I'll hand it over to Kyle to start the Q&A. Kyle?

Kyle Rose
Kyle Rose
VP of Investor Relations at Enovis

Before we begin, in an effort to accommodate everyone on the call, we ask that analysts keep the questions to one question and one follow-up, and you are welcome to rejoin the queue if we have time. For that, I'll turn it over to the operator to take the first question.

Operator

We will now begin the Q&A session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touch-tone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star and then two. Our first question comes from Vik Chopra with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Vik Chopra
Vik Chopra
Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo

Hey, good morning, and thank you for taking the questions. So two for me. In your slide deck, you called about 3%-4% negative growth impact from the integration efforts. You said Q2 was gonna be the apex. I just want to get your thoughts on the back half of the year and what gives you confidence that you've seen the bulk of the integration headwinds? And I had a follow-up, please.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Yeah, sure, Vik. Yeah, we did, as we said last quarter, we expect Q2 to be the apex. And again, there's a couple different factors there, right? There's the U.S. integration, which we've worked through now, and so we can see the impact, and we can see that that's expected to peak in Q2 and then taper off. And then we're, you know, a good way through the outside the U.S. integration, and expect that the impact there could increase a little bit as we work through the balance of the year. And then in both regions, we'll have cross-selling benefits that are coming in.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

So we do expect to continue to expect Q2 to be the apex there and for that to come down as we go through the balance of the year and the ultimate number to be within that $20 million-$30 million range that we've talked about comfortably.

Vik Chopra
Vik Chopra
Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo

Okay. Thank you. And then the second question I had was on just some hiring trends. You know, what were they like in Q2, and how do you see your recruiting and retention efforts shaking out in 2024, given the Lima deal? Thanks for taking the questions.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Yeah, I think... Did you say hiring trends, Vik?

Vik Chopra
Vik Chopra
Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo

Yes, hiring trends. I mean, attrition, with regards to the deal.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, great. Yeah, no, so certainly, I assume I'll assume that that's an acquisition-related comment, but I'll comment broadly as well. First and foremost, on the Lima integration, you know, a top priority there has been around retention of critical talent. That's something that worked very hard on in every acquisition, and we are really thrilled with the retention. We've had a number of great leaders who have taken leadership positions in our company, and we've also had a fantastic retention within the broader organization, right through the technology organization into the field organization, meaningfully below what we had planned for in terms of the kind of attrition that we could expect there.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

So very happy with the retention that we've had related to the Lima acquisition. And then, you know, more broadly, in the company, you know, our attrition levels are running in a normal realm, and certainly the places that we have been adding, whether it's, you know, commercial resources or resource in our enabling tech organization, we've been able to, you know, get great talent and hire great talent.

Operator

The next question comes from Robbie Marcus with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Robbie Marcus
Robbie Marcus
Senior Analyst at JPMorgan

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Two for me. First one, I wanted to talk about sort of the quarter and, you know, how it played out. I imagine in line wasn't what you had hoped for when you set the guidance range. It's, you know, certainly not a bad result, but, you know, given the track record, I imagine you're looking for a beat. So how do I think about what was the delta versus the original expectation? Was it the market for large joint or extremities was softer than expected. We didn't see upside from really any of the competitors so far. Or was it more the execution in the quarter, maybe a little more than what you'd been thinking on the disruption? And then I have a second. Thanks.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, yeah, thanks for the question, Robbie. Yeah, so for sure, we try to position ourselves to beat every quarter, but we also try to set expectations of the quarter that are in line with you know, our plan, and we believe we can execute through our plan. And you know, if you look at, as you commented on, if you look at the second quarter, in terms of what's been published out there, whether it's from Recon peers or on the P&R front, you know, I think, you know, there's kind of a broad view there that it was sort of a you know, a decent market up against a strong market last year.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

So, you know, we're comfortable with the way the market is playing out this year. We're comfortable that it's aligned with our plan, that we'll be able to execute and accelerate through the back half of the year in a strong way. But, you know, for sure, you know, there could have been a more favorable market, you know, in the last two quarters, than there was.

Robbie Marcus
Robbie Marcus
Senior Analyst at JPMorgan

Great. Appreciate that. Then maybe just to focus on third quarter, I want to make sure the street's in the right spot here, given the helpful guidance you gave. So if I think, you know, now pro forma, roughly half the business is Recon, half is P&R. You say P&R is low single-digit growth, Recon, high single-digit. You know, that, that to me averages out to mid-single-digit, and I think consensus is closer to 6.5% or so coming into today. So I was coming up, you know, something more like $500 million-$510 million, below consensus at $512 million. Same thing down the P&L, you know, on EBITDA, I was coming out below where consensus was, which implies a higher fourth quarter. Is that the right ballpark to be in? Thanks.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Yeah, yeah, Robbie, I won't speak to specifics here, but, you know, I think what we tried to do, as we put in the presentation, given some of the new seasonal factors with bringing in Lima, it does impact the phasing of how revenue plays out. And to the earlier comments that Matt made is, while we apexed on the dissynergies in Q2, there will still be a, I'd say, a progressive decline as we get through, you know, the back half of the year, a little more in Q3, and then it moderates even more in Q4. So I think it decelerates there in the back half of the year, but we'll still have some impact in Q3 as we finalize all of the channel integration areas.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

So we tried to break it down in the components that you have there with Recon and P&R, and we've provided some of the supplemental financial information as well, that you can use to help with your modeling there. So I think it's lined up very much for you to be able to do the math to get to where we think is a reasonable estimate. But, you know, on the face of what you've said, it's not too out of the realm. But again, I'd say some of the components are there for you guys to take a deeper look.

Robbie Marcus
Robbie Marcus
Senior Analyst at JPMorgan

Great. Appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Okay.

Operator

The next question comes from Vijay Kumar with Evercore. Please go ahead.

Vijay Kumar
Vijay Kumar
Senior Managing Director of Equity Research at Evercore

Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question. One on the guidance here. I mean, just to, when I look at the total dollar numbers, the ranges are tightened. But did your prior guidance include the divestiture impact? Because I think P&R pulled out about $15 million of revenues. So, is the updated guidance inclusive of the divestiture impact? And what it mean, and does it mean that without this divestiture impact, guidance is actually based on revenues?

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Yeah, exactly, Vijay. So yeah, our prior guidance did not include the divestiture of about that $15 million business. Again, we had a quarter of it in our, our results, so, so again, it'd be three quarters of that business that we're absorbing in our updated guidance range.

Vijay Kumar
Vijay Kumar
Senior Managing Director of Equity Research at Evercore

That's helpful then. Matt, one for you. You know, I think people are trying to—I know you've provided the Street through a pro forma. I think people still want to understand the underlying, sort of, a legacy in Enovis, right? So when you think about the dissynergy impact, and I think there was some helpful detail in EMPOWR, you know, upside signals in first half. How do you... You know, when you look at these markets on core Recon, are you still, you know, is Enovis still confident about share gains growing well above markets? Maybe talk about underlying trends and what gives you confidence about share gains.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, so, Robbie, in the knee, in particular, we continue to have healthy share gain, you know, both when we look at the all-up reported results and as we look at, you know, our trend in terms of adding surgeons and things like that. And so, you know, so not as much as we've had, because of some of the integration pressures, and we're also up against a really tremendously high comp from the first half of last year. But when you get under the hood on the knee and the legacy, and we tried to share enough there to give people confidence that that's still clearly there.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, we've still got solid performance within our shoulder product, but that's where we're seeing the most of the integration impact. So you have two different things hitting the shoulder growth ways from the integration. One is that the Lima business, you know, did not have a lateralized inferiorized shoulder. And so with declining as we went through the back half of last year, that Lima shoulder business here in the U.S., it was growing nicely outside the U.S., but was declining here in the U.S.. And so we'll fix that quickly as we bring new products and cross-selling products into that channel here as we work through the year. But that's certainly a meaningful growth drag.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Then we also have synergy or dyssynergy impacts from the integration, because the amount of overlap in shoulder. And then third, as we talked about, the augmented glenoid is a really important product for our shoulder. You know, that's become a you know increasingly important piece of the puzzle for shoulder surgeons. And you know, over the past few quarters, getting ready for that launch has you know slowed down the rate at which we've added new shoulder surgeons and had an effect on the business there as well. And so shoulder's gonna get on a good strong path quickly here as we go through the balance of the year.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Then hip, as I talked about in my comments, that's one where, you know, for the last couple quarters or so, our hip growth has been on the lower side. Our knee growth was really very, very strong. That was really based on some trends there versus our portfolio. Now with the integration impacts on top of that in the first quarter, certainly, in hip, we would, you know, our growth, you know, we would certainly not be gaining share, and we've got a solution to that coming by the end of the year.

Vijay Kumar
Vijay Kumar
Senior Managing Director of Equity Research at Evercore

Understood. And maybe, Ben, maybe one last cleanup apologies. It's, I think there was some product exits on the Recon side. It's analyzing, I think, close to, like, $10 million. Was that part of the revenue leakage, the dissynergies, or is this exit out, you know, incremental to the revenue leakage?

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

No. Yeah, so Vijay, that would be in the full numbers of what we quote when we talk about the net dissynergies impact. So those product lines would be included in there. Those were essentially we added a couple of third-party relationships both on the Lima side and on the Mathys side with regards to as we put the two businesses together, we had to, you know, essentially exit some of those relationships and agreements. So those are included, you know, in those numbers.

Vijay Kumar
Vijay Kumar
Senior Managing Director of Equity Research at Evercore

Fantastic. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Johnson with Baird. Please go ahead.

Jeff Johnson
Jeff Johnson
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Thank you. Good morning, guys. So Ben, maybe just trying to ask one more question here on kind of the phasing of 3Q and 4Q. You had the 400-500 basis points headwind on the dissynergies in the U.S. Recon business in the second quarter. Should we just assume those fall off kind of by half in the third quarter and then disappear, or, you know, fall off another half in the fourth quarter? Or would that be the right way to phase those out over the next two quarters, or is it more back-end loaded than that? And then maybe the same question, you know: how quickly do we think maybe the TT Cones, the glenoid augments, how quickly do those ramp?

Jeff Johnson
Jeff Johnson
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Is that more of a fourth quarter impact, and then that's where the U.S. Recon could maybe get back to, you know, upper single to low double digits as well? Is it conceptually anything off in what I'm saying there on both those points? Thanks.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

No, I think. Yeah, Jeff. Yeah, Jeff, thanks. Thanks for the question there. And so, I mean, the nature of the dissynergies, you know, most of it is things, you know, that are related to, you know, surgeons or agents that are lost as we put things together. And so, you know, those impacts wind up starting to hit, and then they, you know, they'll hit for a year before we anniversary them, and some of them started to hit late last year, and have been kind of ramping to an apex, and now we'll start to anniversary those in the third and fourth quarter.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

So in terms of the dyssynergy, there's an arc of that that is apexing in the second quarter, but then, you know, clearly, you know, still has a couple more quarters to play out. But at the same time, we have the cross-selling that'll start to kick in, and we do have some, you know, some that's starting to ramp there, but for sure, there'll be more in the fourth quarter than the third quarter in terms of cross-selling impacts. And some of the new products, like the Enovis cones, in addition to the TT Cones that we can cross-sell, and the augmented glenoid, you know, those are coming through, gonna have third quarter impact, but definitely gonna have a lot more fourth quarter impact.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

So as we've tried to lay out there, in the guidance, although it's not pulled apart by region, you know, is more of a, you know, kind of a modest improvement in the third quarter, and then a return to more normal growth levels for us, in the fourth quarter and as we roll into next year.

Jeff Johnson
Jeff Johnson
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

All right. Fair enough.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

And then, you know, to comment on your phasing, I think you're thinking about it right in terms of the shape. I mean, I think it decelerates, but there's not, you know, I would say think about how it plays out in terms of, with Q2 being the apex and then decelerating from there. So a little bit more in Q3 versus Q4.

Jeff Johnson
Jeff Johnson
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Understood. And then just last follow-up question, just on, you did mention double-digit foot and ankle growth in the quarter. I think that was a U.S. comment, although you can correct me if I'm wrong on that. But just, you know, there's been some chatter out there, bunionectomy, some of these things can maybe be a little more economically sensitive, a little bit more deferrable. Just what are you seeing in the foot and ankle business at this point? And just remind us of the size now, uh, with Lima in there, how much foot and ankle is as a percentage of your Recon? Thank you.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah. So, I think we've talked about foot and ankle passing through $100 million this year. There wasn't any Lima foot and ankle business of any consequence that came in. But we did bring Novastep in last year, which really helped to position us to bust through that $100 million-dollar ramp. Look, our foot and ankle business for, you know, a number of quarters now has been growing very, very strongly and comfortably above market levels, you know, based on the work we did to put that channel together and the hard work of putting the channel together that we did and now having that strong aligned channel, and then just a ton of great innovation that we've been pumping into that business.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

And those are. And then, that's in the U.S., but we're also growing double digits outside the U.S. in that business. You know, I think that, you know, I commented on the markets more broadly, you know, earlier, and I think, you know, I think that would apply to foot and ankle as well, that, you know, we probably have, you know, not as good a market situation this year as we did last year. But I think, our teams are doing a great job of executing share gain in that environment and have done it for a number of quarters now, and we're really pleased with the engine that we've built there.

Jeff Johnson
Jeff Johnson
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Young Li with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Young Li
Young Li
SVP of Equity Research at Jefferies

All right, great. Thanks so much for taking the question. I'll, I'll just keep it to one. Maybe just to follow up on the U.S. extremities business a little bit more. You know, appreciate the comments on the foot and ankle side. But on the U.S. shoulder side, I guess I'm curious, when do you expect that to return to, you know, 1.5x-2x market growth? And then your thoughts on the sustainability of that, just in light of some of the new robotic competitors coming to the market.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, sure, Young. I think that the comments I made earlier generally about U.S. surgical would apply to the shoulder business. You know, we'd expect that business to improve in Q3, but then improve a lot more in Q4. As you know, the augmented glenoids came out, were just approved and launched in the last month or so here. You know, Q3 is within the controlled launch phase, so it's very important. But you know, it has some impact on our growth, but not a substantial impact on our growth. And then in Q4 and beyond, we can really tilt up the regulator on that. And so you know, that's going to be the arc of that.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

You know, some of the acquisition impacts will go on that same arc that we just talked to in terms of, yeah, starting to have a little bit of improvement in Q3, then more in Q4, and then in Q1, Q2, we start to anniversary some of the impacts. And so, we do expect to exit the year with our shoulder business on a strong, healthy growth path. And then we expect to, you know, also, you know, have the fundamentals underneath that supporting continuation of that growth path in our shoulder business. Now, as far as enabling technology in shoulder, it's clear that that's going to be important to shoulder surgeons going forward. You know, we're confident that ARVIS is going to be a fantastic solution for that.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

You know, the shoulder. You know, it's very important to do great planning, use predictive analytics, and then be able to kind of manage your workflow through the procedure, and guidance and the right instrumentation solutions, you know, give surgeons a tremendous opportunity to do that. And the initial reactions we've gotten to ARVIS as we've gotten it out there in the market for shoulder have been very positive. And so we're confident that guidance is going to be a tremendous solution for shoulder. You know, when you look at the anatomy, there's some important things about shoulder. One is, it's a ball and socket like a hip, versus a knee.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

And the other is that the average shoulder surgeon does a lot less procedures than, you know, than the average hip or knee surgeons. We think those are going to be very important factors as it comes to, you know, how the market shakes out on enabling technologies. You know, that guidance is a tremendous solution when you have that more constrained space that you have in a shoulder or a hip for that matter. In addition, a low-cost solution that is time efficient is going to be a great solution for lower volume shoulders out there. So we feel confident about ARVIS and shoulder.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

We also have, you know, plenty of opportunities, to, you know, partner as well as develop a more automated solution to go alongside of that, you know, as the market continues to evolve. So we're confident we can sustain our leadership in shoulder going forward.

Operator

The next question comes from Brandon Vazquez with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Brandon Vazquez
Brandon Vazquez
Research Analyst in Healthcare at William Blair

Hi, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Can you talk a little bit about, more specifically, what you're seeing as you talk about dissynergies? Part of the question, what I'm trying to get at is, I'm trying to understand better, you know, as you look to the back half of the year, is reaccelerating growth simply kind of reengaging with surgeons to go deeper into their accounts, or do you need to reengage with surgeons to, frankly, even just get them back onto Innovus products altogether? Just trying to understand what exactly, from an execution standpoint, needs to happen in the second half, as you reengage and kind of move past the dissynergies.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, sure. Well, the dissynergies come from a combination of, you know, surgeons that we lose based on, you know, kind of choices and/or competitive dynamics as we're putting together overlapping, you know, channels. And then, second, from some products that the channel, you know, needs to move away from us, you know, based on, you know, different commitments that they might have in different places, et cetera. And then also from some of the, just the distraction factor of working on putting together new channel arrangements versus working on adding new surgeons. And so, you know, as we go forward, you know, where we've lost some surgeons, you know, certainly we'll be looking to get them back, and likely we'll get some of them back.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

But whether we get them back or not, that'll anniversary, and that, you know, that will kind of leave that drag behind us. But where we have had some products leak away, that's where the cross-selling comes in, and we can replace those products with cross-selling products. And so there's an opportunity to, you know, go ahead and get right at that here as we get down to the back half of the year. And then the, you know, the engine of adding surgeons, that's something that's been dialed back up over the past few quarters in a healthy way.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

We've got a really nice funnel there, and we can see the, you know, the little bit of slowdown in that that happened down the back half of the year, really, you know, starting to build nicely, and you know, that'll, you know, start to benefit us in the back half of the year from the surgeons we had in the first half of the year, and then it'll benefit even more next year from the ones that we had in the second half.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Yeah, and Brandon, I would just weigh in there, too. I mean, we learned a lot on the foot and ankle acquisitions that we did in terms of how to put the channel together to, you know, make sure we're protecting ourselves with regards to exclusivity, but then also allowing ourselves to, you know, quickly move, and then focus, you know, the ability to go on offense once you've gotten that channel solidified. So I think, as Matt said, exactly, you know, in terms of the drivers, but our ability to now, you know, go on offense, have new product flow coming in the back half of the year, and having now a channel that's focused on getting back to our playbook.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

And it just shows from our perspective, through, you know, the good results that we're seeing on the foot and ankle side, one of the strategies that we had as we were putting these channels together to move quickly, because we knew the faster that we moved, the faster we get behind some of these things and are able to really go on offense.

Brandon Vazquez
Brandon Vazquez
Research Analyst in Healthcare at William Blair

Okay, great. And then maybe as a follow-up to that, on the dissynergies topic, still 100% done in the U.S., according to the update today, but 70% done internationally, of integration. Does that mean that there's still some potential for dissynergies if there really are any meaningful ones internationally? Or should we think of, despite being only at 70%, you're done there? And, and maybe just talk a little bit about what's left to integrate in the international side of the business. Thanks.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, the 70% international, we've actually worked through the most of the direct markets and certainly all the large direct markets, and have had, you know, pretty limited impact there. And we can understand that, you know, that we would understand those and be able to see those at this point in time. And we've worked through, you know, some of the hybrid or indirect markets already, in a very successful way. What's remaining to be done is a handful of, you know, kind of, hybrid or indirect markets in terms of, you know, that they're either, you know, two distributors that we're combining or a combination of direct and distributor that we're combining.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

You know, and I would say that, you know, for that 30%, we've got clear line of sight on how things are going to come together, and I think we've been able to kick the tires, you know, pretty well in terms of what the, you know, what the risks might be as we do that, and we see them as pretty limited. And so, yeah, we do see that in international, there could be a little bit of dyssynergy that develops in the back half of the year, consistent with the numbers that we put out there. But we also think we've gone far enough there to have made sure that there's nothing large negative looming.

Operator

The next question comes from Danielle Antalffy with UBS. Please go ahead.

Danielle Antalffy
Danielle Antalffy
Senior Analyst at UBS

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks so much for taking the question. Just a question on how to think. I appreciate you guys are not going to provide 2025 guidance here. But if we just think about, you peaked on the dissynergies side of things this quarter, we improved through the back half of the year on an underlying basis. And then presumably, as we enter next year, I mean, how should we think about this? You've got a number of new product launches. You've got now dissynergies behind us, maybe actually moving towards some sales synergies here. Could 2025, potentially, with all that in mind, be an above, you know, pre-Lima trend growth or pre-Lima growth trend year for you guys? Any comments directionally you can say, and I'll just leave it at that one question.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, I'll just... I appreciate the question. We're not going to give guidance for next year, but I would say everything we've been doing this year is to, you know, put us in a position to step into next year as a $2 billion-plus innovation-driven growth company with over a billion-dollar nicely combined Recon portfolio, you know, that is a strong growth driver, you know, for our company, and a step change in our margin profile that we've executed through and be able to, you know, continue to execute against our long-term strategic goals of high single-digit organic growth and continuously expanding our margins to 20% and beyond.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

We've been doing everything possible this year to put us on, you know, to create a step change and to be able to continue on that journey on the other side of this.

Danielle Antalffy
Danielle Antalffy
Senior Analyst at UBS

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Caitlin Cronin with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Caitlin Cronin
Caitlin Cronin
Director of MedTech Equity Research at Canaccord

Hey, thanks for taking the question. Just to start off on cross-selling benefits, where are you starting to see early wins, in terms of, you know, the product portfolio? And where do you think you'll see the most synergies in the second half?

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, no, we definitely have seen some early wins. You know, honestly, one of the most exciting early wins is just energy. You know, outside the U.S., I mean, you can see our tremendous growth outside the U.S. in Recon. You know, part of that is a good, healthy market, but part of it, frankly, is that our teams are absolutely energized. The combined Lima and Mathys teams that have come together there, it's been fantastic to see how the talent has come together and the positive energy. You know, we've done reviews sort of country by country, and hearing the leaders talk about the energy that the acquisition has created in their company- in their country is tremendous.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

So even before there's a lot of synergy products being sold, I think we've just been benefiting from the fact that people feel like a part of a bigger, more powerful company, and they're going out and representing that in the market, and it's helping with our momentum. You know, definitely in terms of early wins, you know, here in the U.S., both in the Lima cones in the revision knee area, the ProMade, you know, in terms of custom implants, across anatomies, have been some nice early wins.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Outside the U.S., you know, we continue to march forward on EMPOWR and AltiVate in key countries outside the U.S., not just in the Lima channel, but we have just scratched the surface in the Mathys customer base, you know, as we moved through last year. And then there's some really interesting early wins just that are just by the Lima and Mathys team getting together and seeing opportunities to where one portfolio can help the other. You know, Mathys' knee was quite weak, and the Physica and ZUK coming out of Lima, that's already got full approvals, has been quite helpful in some countries there. Lima didn't have more ceramic-based product.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

It had some, but there's some key anatomies that they didn't have products that would address some key customer needs around patient-friendly products, and Lima's already pulling those into the channel. Mathys is selling ProMade. So some great early wins. They're pretty limited in terms of growth impact, just given the nature of how long it takes to get sets out there and get things ramped, et cetera. But they're quite positive in terms of the energy that's being created around the world.

Caitlin Cronin
Caitlin Cronin
Director of MedTech Equity Research at Canaccord

Great, thanks for the color. And then just one more on P&R. You know, 2%-3% comp growth. When do you think you can start ramping this business to more mid-single digits, on a consistent basis?

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, so we, we've been consistent to say that P&R is a 3%-4% grower, that we're working on shaping to be a four plus grower over time. And, you know, we were well above four last year, and we tried to be, you know, clear that it was, you know, there was some extra market strength and some extra pricing last year. And so running at three for the first half of this year in a market that's a little bit more muted, I think is right in line with our strategic, our strategic plan.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

But for sure, we are working hard on, you know, the innovation content in key parts of that business that'll ramp in the balance of this year and into the coming years, as well as some of the shaping, like the, you know, the small divestiture that I talked about today. We've also been doing some SKU trimming that shapes that business a little bit as well. And so, P&R is still a, you know, healthy 3%-4% grower that's got nice end-use market diversification, that is a very strong cash generator, which, you know, fuels the great growth on the Recon side. And we do see the opportunity to shape it over time into more of a, you know, maybe more of a 4% grower than a 3%-4% grower, and then try to work from there to see if we can go further. But we continue to, you know, have 3%-4% as the strategic growth focus for P&R, and, you know, we're within that range this year.

Caitlin Cronin
Caitlin Cronin
Director of MedTech Equity Research at Canaccord

Thanks so much.

Operator

The next question comes from Mike Matson with Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

Mike Matson
Mike Matson
Senior Analyst in Medical Technogies and Diagnostic at Needham & Company

Yeah, thanks. I just wanted to follow up on Caitlin's question on P&R. So the growth is a little slower now. You know, there's concerns about a potential recession happening again. You know, does that P&R business have a little more economic sensitivity than maybe the Recon side of the business? You know, what have you seen there in prior recessions with P&R?

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, I mean, you know, look, I think our industry broadly, if you study prior recessions, has had a little bit of impact, but not a lot of impact, and I think that would apply to both sides of the business. You know, on the P&R side, on the positive side, there's, you know, there's a smaller percentage that is related to elective surgery, and so you might argue that there is less, you know, kind of recession-related impacts. But then there's also things, you know, like products that we sell in our rehab business, you know, that are small capital purchases for rehab clinics and things like that, that obviously you might have a little bit of economic sensitivity in those.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

And so, you know, I don't think there's a meaningful difference between the Recon side and the P&R side in terms of economic sensitivity. I think both, you know, are very positive in that they have a limited band of economic sensitivity, but both are not fundamentally immune from a little bit of economic sensitivity.

Mike Matson
Mike Matson
Senior Analyst in Medical Technogies and Diagnostic at Needham & Company

Okay, got it. Thanks. And then just on ARVIS 2.0, wondering if you could give us an update on the launch, and I don't know if there's any sort of metrics you can share in terms of how it's doing, but that would be helpful. Thanks.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah. Yeah, so again, this is, you know, ARVIS in hip and knee. You know, there, as we've talked about before, you know, we've got a couple dozen surgeons that are using the product and ramping the usage there. Some using it very heavily, some using it on specific procedures. And we're, you know, working with a surgeon to continue to get feedback and learn so that we can turn around and educate other surgeons the best way to use ARVIS, how to get the most benefit from it. Last time I looked, that number was creeping up some from that couple of dozen.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

So I do feel like as we work through this year, that's gonna start to ramp, and you know, be an important part of our knee offense there. And so we're excited about that. Now, we also have found that there's some surgeons that you know, might prefer in the knee, so something that's a little more robotic, and we've got a partnership with Think there that allows us to bring the TMINI, and we've got you know, kind of a handful of cases where the TMINI has been the right answer for a surgeon for whatever reason.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

And so we're super excited about ARVIS, but we're also being very thoughtful about how to make sure that in each of the anatomies, we've got all the enabling technologies that are needed to serve multiple segments out there as the market continues to evolve and develop.

Mike Matson
Mike Matson
Senior Analyst in Medical Technogies and Diagnostic at Needham & Company

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Operator

The last question comes from George Sellers with Stephens Inc. Please go ahead.

George Sellers
George Sellers
VP and Equity Research Analyst in Medical Devices at Stephens

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. And I just wanted to follow up on the cross-selling discussion. Could you provide some additional color on the breakdown geographically in those cross-selling opportunities? You gave some great color on what some of those devices are, but just as we think about the magnitude of that tailwind and how significant that cross-selling opportunity could be in terms of offsetting dissynergies, you know, what's that, what's that breakdown geographically? And then how should we also think about that tailwind in the back half of this year and the tail of that into 2025 and beyond? Thanks again for taking the question.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, I'll make some comments on that. Yeah, I do think that you know, probably in the short term, there's a little bit more cross-selling opportunity in the US than outside the U.S. as things ramp out there. But over a number of years, the opportunity outside the U.S. is extraordinary.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

So, you know, I think what you're gonna see is that the cross-selling in the U.S. is going to, you know, start to offset some of the headwinds this, you know, this year and then really gonna, you know, start to help, particularly the Lima business in the U.S. that had not been as strong a grower to be, you know, a good, strong grower up against our legacy and Enovis business next year and in the following years. You know, outside the U.S., there's a strong market out there, you know, that is supporting the double-digit growth. You know, and we're also executing very well.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

I think what's gonna happen outside the U.S. is that, you know, as the synergies ramp year by year by year, as well as we make other improvements in investments, we're gonna be able to, you know, support continued very strong growth there in a much more, you know, normal market environment. And that, you know, those will come together nicely in terms of our, you know, kind of long-term, you know, double-digit Recon growth path and our high single-digit company growth path.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Yeah, George, and I'd just weigh in there, too, to say, you know, the depth and strength of our portfolio is just so much more robust now as you think about, you know, leveraging the scale and then now the channel that we've put together across the globe. But some of that takes time as you're building inventory, as you're working through, you know, making sure that we're able to, you know, feed those channels with the products in the right place. So as Matt described, this will develop over time.

Ben Berry
Ben Berry
CFO at Enovis

Then there's also the benefit of now leveraging the capabilities that we have with legacy Mathys, with Lima, with legacy Enovis, to drive innovation cadence into the future, to just continue to support that development of the bags that we have across these anatomies. So I think our view is it's gonna help to start moderate some of those net impacts as we've described here in 2024 in the back half of the year. But as we've also said, this is one of the things that we believe it will help us to continue to grow above the market outside the United States longer term, as we're putting these things together, and now you're leveraging your sales call with a much more robust portfolio.

George Sellers
George Sellers
VP and Equity Research Analyst in Medical Devices at Stephens

Okay. That's really helpful color. I appreciate all that. And then maybe to follow up on the P&R segment. Obviously, you've been investing a little bit there and have some new devices and updated devices that you've been rolling out. How should we think about the impact of that, with pricing and your ability to take some price with rolling out some new devices there? And, how should we think about the growth, specifically coming from pricing in that segment going forward?

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Yeah, so in P&R, you know, there had been a more historical, a little bit negative price environment in a time where we really weren't innovating. And then more recently, there's been a positive price environment that's, you know, been, you know, you know, kind of a lot passing through, you know, the inflation. We're now running at about flattish price in P&R. And I think that's, you know, flat to a little positive is sort of the right price range for a P&R business, where we've got the right amount of innovation coming through the business, and we kind of get price where we can, but then there's, you know, areas where there's gonna be some pressure.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

We've also been really having an eye towards mix and whether it's, you know, kind of, product line by product line mix and growing things like our technology-based rehab products faster than the rest, or whether it's new products and making sure that the new products that we bring out have higher margins than the existing product line. I think those are things that factor into that kind of price and gross margin equation, as well. So, you know, I think that we expect—our forward assumption would be that from a growth standpoint, price is neutral in the P&R, you know, kind of markets, kind of like this year. but also that our innovation continues to ramp and grow and is, you know, helping us to grow above market, but also helping us to have continuous margin expansion.

George Sellers
George Sellers
VP and Equity Research Analyst in Medical Devices at Stephens

Got it. Okay. Really helpful. Thank you all again for the time this morning.

Operator

That concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Matt Trerotola for any closing remarks.

Matt Trerotola
Matt Trerotola
Chair and CEO at Enovis

Thank you for joining us this morning. I want to end the call by thanking our team members for their commitment to excellence day in and day out. We have a lot of momentum and excitement across the organization and remain committed to delivering value for all of our internal and external stakeholders. Thank you for listening today, and we look forward to sharing our third quarter results with you in October.

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Ben Berry
      Ben Berry
      CFO
    • Kyle Rose
      Kyle Rose
      VP of Investor Relations
    • Matt Trerotola
      Matt Trerotola
      Chair and CEO
Analysts
    • Brandon Vazquez
      Research Analyst in Healthcare at William Blair
    • Caitlin Cronin
      Director of MedTech Equity Research at Canaccord
    • Danielle Antalffy
      Senior Analyst at UBS
    • George Sellers
      VP and Equity Research Analyst in Medical Devices at Stephens
    • Jeff Johnson
      Senior Research Analyst at Baird
    • Mike Matson
      Senior Analyst in Medical Technogies and Diagnostic at Needham & Company
    • Robbie Marcus
      Senior Analyst at JPMorgan
    • Vijay Kumar
      Senior Managing Director of Equity Research at Evercore
    • Vik Chopra
      Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo
    • Young Li
      SVP of Equity Research at Jefferies
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