North West Q3 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Net earnings rose 12.9% despite a challenging top line (sales down 0.5%), driven by improved gross profit rates from Next 100 initiatives and lower expenses.
  • Negative Sentiment: Top-line headwinds continued: consolidated same-store sales fell 1.7%, with Canadian same-store sales down ~2.8% due mainly to the elimination of the Inuit Child First food voucher and reduced Jordan's Principle funding, and Alaska hurt by a lower Permanent Fund Dividend.
  • Positive Sentiment: Next 100 execution is improving margins (gross profit rate up 64 bps) through refined merchandise assortments, expanded private label rollout, and the rollout of store forecasting and a new warehouse management system.
  • Neutral Sentiment: First Nations child and care settlement payments have begun but volumes are modest; management expects distributions to ramp in 2026 and support sales for several years, though timing and pace remain uncertain.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Capital allocation: elevated CapEx (CAD145m this year, CAD160m next) to complete IT and store projects through 2026; NCIB renewed but buybacks are secondary to business investments and management is not planning to lever the balance sheet for repurchases today.
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Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Please be advised that this conference call is being recorded. Welcome to the North West Company Inc Third Quarter Results Conference Call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Dan McConnell, President and Chief Executive Officer. Mr. McConnell, please go ahead.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Hello. Good morning, and welcome to The North West Company Third Quarter Conference Call. So joining me here today is John King, our Chief Financial Officer, and Alexis Cloutier, our VP Legal and Corporate Secretary. Alexis will begin with our disclosure statement.

Alexis Cloutier
Alexis Cloutier
VP of Legal and Corporate Secretary at The North West Company Inc

Thank you, Dan. Before we begin today, I remind you that certain information presented may constitute forward-looking statements. Such statements reflect North West's current expectations, estimates, projections, and assumptions. These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks, which could cause actual performance and financial results in the future to vary materially from those contemplated in the forward-looking statements. Any forward-looking statements are current only as of the date they're made, and the company disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future results, or otherwise, other than what's required by law. For additional information on these risks, please see North West's Annual Information Form and its MD&A under the headings Risk Factors.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

Okay. Thanks, Alexis. I'm going to start with an overview of our results for the quarter and then move on to comment on our outlook and the Next 100 program. And then I'll be opening up for questions. All right. Let me begin by summarizing the story of this quarter. Overall, we delivered solid net earnings gains with a very challenging quarter from a top-line perspective. Sales in the quarter decreased 0.5% compared to last year. That's primarily due to less money in market resulting from reduced child and family services funding in Canada and a lower Permanent Fund Dividend in Alaska. Despite these headwinds, we delivered a 12.9% increase in net earnings compared to last year, driven by improved gross profit rates from our Next 100 work and lower expenses. All right. Let's unpack that, starting with sales.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

Consolidated same-store sales decreased by 1.7% this quarter compared to a 4% increase last year. That's primarily due to the headwinds in our Canadian operations and the challenge of matching strong sales comps from Q3 last year. Canadian operations sales decreased 2%, with same-store sales down 2.8% compared to a strong 4.9% increase in Q3 of last year. The lower sales in Canada was primarily due to a decrease in money in market from the elimination of funding for the Inuit Child First Food Voucher Program and a reduction in funding for Jordan's Principle programs compared to last year. Decrease in drinking water settlement payments and climate action incentive payments compared to the third quarter last year were also factors, but to a lesser degree.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

The decrease in money in market, combined with consumers shifting their spending from general merchandise to food, were the primary reasons for the 3.1% decrease in general merchandise and other sales in Canadian operations. As higher airline revenue from third-party cargo and passenger business and an increase in pharmacy sales were more than offset by an 11.1% decrease in same-store general merchandise sales. On a positive note, all of our stores in the communities impacted by wildfire evacuations have resumed operations and had a modest decrease in sales for the quarter. All right. I'm going to switch gears now and just briefly comment on the international sales. Sales in our international operations were flat for the quarter, as an increase in same-store food sales of 1% offset a decrease of 9.9% in same-store general merchandise sales.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

In Alaska, a lower Permanent Fund Dividend of $1,000 compared to $1,700 last year, combined with consumers shifting more of their spending to food, were the key factors contributing to the decrease in general merchandise sales. Softer economic conditions in the South Pacific markets were also a factor. Okay. With that deeper dive on sales, I'll briefly comment on consolidated gross profit and expenses. Gross profit increased 1.4% for the quarter, with the gross profit rate up 64 basis points compared to the third quarter last year. This improvement reflects the positive impacts from our Next 100 work, particularly the ongoing refinement of our merchandise assortment and expanded private label offering in both our Canadian and international operations. A change in sales blend, including lower wholesale sales and a decrease in general merchandise seasonal markdowns in our international operations compared to last year, were also factors.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

Expenses decreased by 1% for the quarter and were down 13 basis points as a rate to sales, largely due to reduced share-based compensation costs, primarily related to the changes in the company's share price and a decrease in vessel repairs in Transport Nanuk. We also incurred CAD 1.3 million in one-time costs related to the execution of our Next 100 program, which were more than offset by the benefits from our Next 100 initiatives. We continue to see store labor productivity gains, which are resulting in lower store staff costs as a percentage of sales, in addition to other cost savings initiatives such as reduced print media. The net impact of all these factors, combined with a decrease in interest expense and a lower effective tax rate, resulted in a 12.9% increase in net earnings for the quarter. All right.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

Now, let me talk briefly about our Outlook and provide a few comments on the Next 100 program. Since we've provided commentary on the key factors we expect to impact our Outlook in the report to shareholders, I will just comment on the expected near-term impact of money in market in Canada. The elimination of ICFI Food Voucher funding and a reduction in Jordan's Principle program funding are expected to continue to impact sales in Q4, with some offsets anticipated from an increase in consumer demand from First Nations child and care settlement payments. As we noted in our Outlook, the distribution of First Nations child and care settlement payments to individuals in the communities we serve began with a very small number of payments at the end of Q3, and there has been a modest increase in the volume of payments so far in the fourth quarter.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

We expect the distribution of child and care settlement payments to ramp up in 2026 and extend for a number of years beyond 2026, based on the requirements for individuals in the removed child class to reach the age of majority before payments are issued, combined with the anticipated opening of the application process and distribution of settlement payments for the other eight classes. Regarding the Next 100 program, we remain focused on driving operational excellence and cost efficiencies. From a category management perspective, we continue to refine our merchandise assortments and procurement strategy with a focus on the expansion of our private label offering. Throughout 2025, we have ramped up the rollout of new merchandise assortments and expanded the private label offering in both our Canadian and international operations.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

Although it is still early in the process, feedback from customers has been positive, and the trends of private label penetration are encouraging. The implementation of store-based inventory forecasting replenishment technology and a new warehouse management system are also underway. With these new processes and tools, we expect to improve on shelf availability for our customers and streamline the merchandise ordering processes for our store and warehouse teams. We are pleased with the progress and results to date, but also recognize that there's still a lot of work to do as we continue to learn and refine this new operating model. Let me wrap up by saying that the Next 100 operational excellence focus has helped mitigate some of the external headwinds that impacted our results this quarter, and the foundation we're building is expected to continue to deliver value to our customers, shareholders, and employees going forward.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

With that, operator, I will now open up the call for any questions.

Operator

Certainly. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your touch-tone telephone. If you would like to remove yourself from the queue, please press star one one again. Please stand by for our first question. Our first question will be coming from Ty Collin at CIBC. Your line is open.

Ty Collin
Ty Collin
Director of Institutional Equity Research at CIBC

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. To start, I guess, can you maybe just help us understand the relative impact of the various factors you called out driving the same-store sales decline in Canada? And with respect to the declines in government funding specifically, is that stable, or did that kind of worsen compared to last quarter?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Could you turn it up? It's hard to hear.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

Sorry, can you repeat that question?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

You cut out.

Ty Collin
Ty Collin
Director of Institutional Equity Research at CIBC

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sure. Sure thing. I'll go again. So I'm just wondering if you could help us understand the relative impact of the, yeah, you got me? Just want to understand the relative impact of the various factors driving the same-store sales decline in Canada. And then with respect to the declines in government funding for some of those programs, is that stable, or did that worsen compared to Q2?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Okay. Lots to unpack there, so look, I'll give you the full rundown. The biggest impact on sales was definitely the money in market, and that's, I think, something that I think we've been pretty consistent with that and clear on some of the messaging that we've identified, especially with the ICFI, the Jordan's Principle, the pullback in funding, and the slower pace, I guess, than some of the market has anticipated. Although we've always said that, I think Q1 is when we thought we were expecting some of the payments from the child benefit. But I would say so money in market is the number one headwind. Big-ticket motorized sales reduction, that's also a big one. Obviously, they're a higher price point, lower-margin, but that's been a pretty big impact as well. Definitely some competition. We've just gone and we've rolled out.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

We've engaged with a lot of new vendor, our supply chain that we just rolled out this year, where we've moved over to a new system on a push system, and there was some disruption there, so I would say to not nearly the degree of some of the others, but there was probably higher out of stock on our shelves than typical, just as a result of some of the turbulence that we experienced, which would be expected, but definitely reacted very quickly and are looking very positive as far as how we're rebounding from that and being a lot stronger as a result of it, I might add. Some of the with reducing prices, I know we're just getting into it, but with the private label program, obviously lowering prices, increasing gross profit, but lowering prices for our customers had some impact.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Not a lot, but certainly something to be considered as the private label program is starting to gain a lot of traction in our markets. And don't forget, we're comping some big quarters. I mean, double-digit, I think, of this year, certainly Q3, Q4, and then Q1 into next with a lot of the money that was in the market previously. However, as we indicated, we are expecting to be able to offset that in Q1 with more of the childcare benefit money coming in. I'll also say that with respect to payments, I mean, look, there has been some press out there. If you recall, I've been pretty consistent with forecasting in Q1 is when we thought a majority of the money's going to come. The childcare benefit did ramp up from the previous quarter, but again, it's not anywhere near the level that we're anticipating.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

So yeah, I think I answered your question, sir.

Ty Collin
Ty Collin
Director of Institutional Equity Research at CIBC

Yeah, that's great. Appreciate those comments. And then on Next 100, appreciate all the commentary there. I guess can you maybe just update us with respect to which initiatives you still see the most low-hanging fruit for at this point? And then maybe just at a higher level, I mean, how far along would you say you are in the overall journey of executing Next 100 as we're exiting 2025 here?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Okay, so as we're exiting 2025, there's a number of different initiatives, so the low-hanging fruit, not sure there's any more low-hanging fruit, but we're in execution phases. As indicated on the private label, we're starting to get ramped up. I would say we had it executed October, November, but it's with some fixes in place, so we're on a nice trajectory there. Things are getting better and better as we go on. On the other hand, the supply chain optimization, it was a little rocky. We anticipate that the headwinds are behind us, but yet it's going to be still a pretty good journey. We've got the pilots, stores are done.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

We've rolled it out now to most of the chain in Canada on our forecast and replenishment, and we anticipate that it would probably be up and operational fully in 2027, but we think that there's going to—we know there's going to be some benefits certainly throughout 2026. The CPI work, the category performance improvement plan, I would say we're probably 50% through that, approximately, and what we expect to see some more benefits into 2026, and I would say it would probably level off by the end of 2026, and then we'd be comping that into 2027. John, looking at GNFR, I think is pretty—we're pretty much into the—pretty well into it, I'd say 75% through GNFR. Yeah, it's Goods Not For Resale, sorry.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

So I think that the biggest benefit probably to come is going to be from the supply chain optimization, and that's in our forecast and replenishment, moving away from the pull system that we had in the stores previously and going into a push, working through algorithms to just get more controls and be more accurate with our inventory management.

Ty Collin
Ty Collin
Director of Institutional Equity Research at CIBC

Okay, great. Thanks. And if I could just sneak one more in. So you guys renewed your NCIB last month. Do you plan to be active on the NCIB going forward, or how are you thinking about potential buybacks relative to some of your other priorities?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Well, I mean, our other priorities are cap and operating, and we have some healthy investments to make in the business now and into 2026, obviously, with some of the things that we talked about and some of the new store renovations in some of our major markets. So I think it's somewhat TBD, obviously, much like you would look at it depending on what the stock price does, but we're really optimistic about the future of the company, so we have no problem investing more into the NCIB. Yeah.

Ty Collin
Ty Collin
Director of Institutional Equity Research at CIBC

All right. Thanks, Dan. I'll jump back in the queue.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will be coming from Michael Van Aelst of TD Cowen. Your line is open, Michael.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

All right. Thank you. Just to finish up on the NCIB question, so you do have a higher level of spending short term. Can you comment on what the CapEx rollout looks like this year, next year, and maybe 2027? And then given that you have a strong balance sheet, would you be willing to supplement any free cash flow with some maybe balance sheet leveraging to also fund the NCIB while the share price is depressed?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Yeah, I think we would look at that. Absolutely, and it's something that we are looking at, just how we would want to position ourselves going forward, pending our next phase strategy, which is work that we're undergoing as we speak, so in other words, much like the same commentary I've made before, we think the best place for the money, obviously, is investing it in our business and infrastructure in order to generate some strong returns for our shareholders. If there's no opportunities at that point in time, then we certainly, and we had a buildup of cash, we would certainly look to execute on the NCIB, and if it was sustainable, if we had sustainable higher cash flows, then obviously we would look at working with our dividend.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Okay. So what does the CapEx look like the next little while?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

160.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Is it 145 this year still?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

145, yep.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

How about next year?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

160 is, I think, what we're forecasting currently.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Okay. And so I mean, that's above your normal run rates. When do we get back to a more normal level?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

I would say the following year, 2027. We've had some pretty sizable projects that we're kind of in the midst of, Michael. So as soon as we get over that hump, then it will start to normalize.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

What will?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Both with IT, with some of our IT investment, as well as some of our major markets that have had a long drought of capital, I would say, and so we've just undergone a project. It's been a three-year project, particularly in the Iqaluit, is what I'm talking about, so that'll be coming to an end at the end of 2026.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

And so, what's 2020? What's a normal level of CapEx that we can expect over time?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

It's a great question, especially given the inflation and cost and what it costs to do things in the north. But I would say my expectation would be to be sub 140.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

All right, so just getting back then to the NCIB, I mean, it seems like you're going to be using a lot of your free cash flow on your dividend and CapEx and growth or excess incremental CapEx, but your balance sheet at just over one times leverage is very clean relative to other retailers out there, so I'm wondering, are you thinking of looking at that now and using some leverage to buy back the stock opportunistically given the low price, or are you just waiting till free cash flow comes through?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Currently, we are waiting for free cash flow, Michael, but I can tell you that it is fluid. So we are undergoing some strategy work right now to understand what our future, our next adventure is. We wanted to make sure that we focused on execution, obviously, with a number of ideas as to where we would like to go from here. But I would say currently, to be frank, it was more thinking about future incremental cash flows spraying down NCIB. We have not planned to currently flex the balance sheet to buy NCIB currently right now. But I'd say it's somewhat fluid, but that's not in the cards right now.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Okay. And then on the Next 100, that was also mostly covered, but just to summarize on that one, if you're looking at CAD 100 in total benefit, let's call it, over the course of it, where would you have been in 2025, and where do you think you'll be in 2026 before getting all of it in 2027?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

I would say that's a great question.

John King
John King
CFO at The North West Company Inc

What did you say?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

50%? I'd say 50%.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

50% in 2025?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Yeah.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Okay. And then I guess we extrapolate and say it's 75% or 80% in 2026, and then all of it in 100% in 2027?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Yep.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Okay. All right. Good enough. Just to get an idea. Okay. And then I just wanted to touch on some of those Jordan's Principle claim settlement payments. And so it sounds like the AFN is talking about something like 6,600 payments having been made at this point, which just over CAD 40,000, just about CAD 40,000 each by the sounds of it, which is a pretty big ramp-up compared to zero almost a few months ago, but also only 1% of the total payments that are expected over time. So why do you think you're not seeing a bigger ramp-up in Q4 in your communities?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Currently? I mean, look, it could be the postal strike. It could be the administrative efficiency of the administrators. This isn't new, though, right? I mean, we've seen this many times before as far as the disbursement of these different payments, which is why I would always put a hedge on it on timeframe. So I can't answer why, but I could tell you that it's not unexpected. And so it's something that we're kind of ready for and optimistic, obviously, hopefully for this season, that people have a few more dollars in their pockets to enjoy the season. But like I said, more so looking to Q1 of 2026 is when we think that it's going to start coming in. I mean, look, it's not a—I don't think there's any question on whether it's coming. We know it's coming. It's just about how quickly it can be processed.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

And I think we can appreciate that the history has shown that it doesn't happen as quickly as everybody would like, including some of the leaders that are obviously advocating on behalf of some of their constituents.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Right. Yeah. That's clear. Okay, so if I remember correctly, some of these other payments that are falling off now, the water settlement payments and things like that, I mean, those were smaller than what this one is going to be, and the water settlement itself only affected 30 of your communities, I think, if I remember correctly. So.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Just under that, I think. Yeah.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Just under. So does this Jordan's Principle Settlement, is this affecting all 140 of your communities? Is this benefiting all of them?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

No, it wouldn't be all of them. A large majority of them, I would say, in Northern Canada, but not all of them. I think the number is about 60, so just under half.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Okay, so about 60?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Yeah.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Okay. And so do you have any sense as to what percentage of that CAD 23 billion of payments that are going to be made are going to end up in your communities?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

I think you'd probably have to do your own math on that, Michael, just because there's a lot of assumptions that we make, and knowing you, I think you'll probably get pretty close to an assumption that we would, but no, it would be a, it's a really highly educated or uneducated, it's a very high assumption as to what we had, so it's not something that we would really, yeah, it wouldn't be productive, I don't think, for you, for us to give you a number.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Last question for you. Could you try to hazard or give us some kind of insight into your capture rates in the past when these types of programs or payments come out in your communities?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

No, we don't release that, but we do. I will tell you that the capture rates that we've seen and the few that we've had have been on our forecast, pretty consistent with what we anticipated, with slight improvement, but I would say it's so we've been pretty accurate so far. We just need more of it.

Michael Van Aelst
Michael Van Aelst
Managing Director at TD Cowen

All right. Thanks guys.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Thanks.

Operator

As a reminder, to ask the question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Our next question will come from Stephen MacLeod of BMO Capital Markets. Stephen, your line is open.

Stephen MacLeod
Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director of Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning, guys.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Morning.

Stephen MacLeod
Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director of Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets

Thank you. Morning, lots of great callers so far, so a lot of my questions have been answered, but I just wanted to see if I could get a better sense of, Dan, you were talking about the fact that you've always said that Q1 is probably when you expect to see some of the more meaningful settlement payments coming through, and obviously, it's been a bit, hasn't been very transparent in terms of the timing from the administrator, so I was just curious if what kind of visibility you have into the payments beginning in Q1 and kind of how we should think about that actually coming to fruition?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Oh, maybe. I wouldn't say I'm an expert, but I would say that it's just based on some of the being around the history that we've, how we've seen payments administered in the past. It's a hypothesis. It's a guess, but I know I get exposed to the same information that everybody else does, and you heard some of the people that are close, they thought it would have been sooner, and so I was probably putting a contingency on what some of the other people were identifying, so it's not all that scientific, unfortunately, but yeah, I wish I could give you more assurances there, but I can't. It's simply a guess based on putting a hedge or a contingency on what is anticipated or expected with some of the community leaders who are, I'd say, on the front line of negotiations and in constant conversations.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

But it comes down to bureaucracy, and bureaucracy is controlled by, I don't know. If you find out, let me know. But it's just so the decisions are reached, the decisions are made, so I don't think there's anything going to halt it. It's just on the timing of the payments. So I guess that's coming. It's calming, the fact that you know it's coming, but everybody's anticipating, including, obviously, the customers that are going to be receiving it. I would think nobody wants it more than them, but it's just that's where we're sitting right now.

Stephen MacLeod
Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director of Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets

Yeah. No, understood. Thank you. And then maybe just looking at the Inuit Child First Food Voucher program and the reduction in funding from Jordan's Principle programs, which kind of weighed on the Q3 numbers and you highlight as an uncertainty in the outlook. Do you have any insight? Maybe thinking of each of those ones separately, is there a scenario where the funding for those programs ramps back up, or are those being phased out and we just have to deal with it going forward and kind of ramp—we comp the impact next year?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Timing is so the Inuit Child First, I don't anticipate that's going to ramp up again, but I know that there's a lot of work in place to try and get that to be the case. Jordan's Principle, that comes down to that will ramp up again, I think. When? I don't know because it's between a negotiation now with some of the Indigenous leaders on how it's going to be administered, but it's already, you could say it's already committed to by Canada, but as you recall, the vote came through with the chiefs and the regions, and they had voted that they weren't going to accept it, and it wasn't based on the quantum or the settlement. It was more based on how it was going to be administered within their communities, so as you know, Ontario actually elected to accept it, and the rest of the regions declined it.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

And so that was one of the major causes of some of the retraction of the Jordan's Principle money. And so I do anticipate that'll come back around, but it's stuck in some political dispute right now, so I couldn't venture a guess as far as when that's going to be resolved. But once it is resolved, it'll be a positive for sure for the community members in the north.

Stephen MacLeod
Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director of Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, Dan. And then maybe just turning to the international business because we don't want to leave any stone unturned here. You're getting a lot of Canada. Just obviously kind of flattish, same sort of sales growth. And were you seeing, obviously, the permanent fund dividend was a negative impact as well as weaker economic conditions in the South Pacific. So can you talk about what some of the positive offsets were to those two headwinds?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Sure. Some of the positive offsets, a little different, a lot of book, not necessarily transacted. But we have started to sell more big ticket in Alaska, although I think the seasons ahead are going to be stronger than prior. But we will see a big increase in particularly Ski-Doos in Alaska. But also, we had a new store come online, which is a real positive, which was real positive for AC. So that was a nice offset as well. A new store in Barrow, Alaska. So that's a really nice community, and it's going to be a good asset for Northwest for sure. Otherwise, I know that the team is working hard right now. It's a tough environment in Alaska.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

And the Caribbean, again, is starting to, it's doing fine, and it's had some, it's been stable, but it's really the South Pacific that has been a bit of a drain on and just getting back from some of the typhoon work, and just the economy is, the competition has increased and the economy has worsened, so it's kind of a tougher situation, but we're optimistic next year that some of the strategies that we're putting in place are going to hold us in a good stead. We're combining some of our operations and building a more impactful, efficient store that's going to take two out and put one in, and we think it's going to make a real positive impact in Guam.

Stephen MacLeod
Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director of Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets

Right. And then maybe just finally, with the maybe not reduction in SNAP benefits, but the noise around SNAP benefits through the Big Beautiful Bill, did any of that sort of work into your numbers, and was that an impact in the quarter?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

This quarter. I think that's more this quarter, Stephen. So that'll have a little bit of an impact on this quarter. And it was, yeah, it was a bit of a, yeah.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Did introduce some noise. Okay.

Stephen MacLeod
Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director of Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Okay. That's great. Thanks for the color, guys. Appreciate it.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

For sure. Yep.

Operator

Our next question will be coming from Ryland Conrad of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Ryland Conrad
Ryland Conrad
Assistant VP at RBC Capital Markets

Yeah. Thanks very much. Good morning. Just starting off on the $23 billion settlement and the payment volumes being low there today, have you actually observed any in-market spending from those payments, or is that what you're expecting to be more of a Q1 event?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

You mean the individuals that did get payments? Have we seen an increase in spend of those payments in our stores? Is that what you mean?

Ryland Conrad
Ryland Conrad
Assistant VP at RBC Capital Markets

Yeah. Correct. Yeah.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Yep. And yes, we have. And as we said, we've retained a lot of those, our expected retention on the money that we've been able to track in markets.

Ryland Conrad
Ryland Conrad
Assistant VP at RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Great. And then just on the two open classes within that settlement, I guess, can you just talk about your expectations around those? I think from my perspective, it seems like more of the removed child family class compensation would be flowing to individuals on reserve in your market. So just curious to hear your thoughts about those two.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

I don't really have too much thought around it other than the fact that we're excited for the rest of the class to open, but this is just getting going. So I don't know. Maybe I'm not understanding your question. Could you go a little deeper as far as how I think about the quantum?

Ryland Conrad
Ryland Conrad
Assistant VP at RBC Capital Markets

Yeah. I guess just with how the money's flowing to the individuals that are eligible under those classes, I guess there would be obviously circumstances where children might have been removed from their homes under the removed child class that are no longer on reserve. So maybe directionally, there'd be more money flowing to reserves through the removed child family class, if that makes sense.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

No, I don't know. You mean, sorry, John, do you understand the question? I'm sorry. I'm having a tough time. Do you mean money going to the reserve, to the council or the administration on the reserve rather than the individual?

Ryland Conrad
Ryland Conrad
Assistant VP at RBC Capital Markets

No, two individuals. But we can take it offline as well.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Yeah, that'd be great. Sorry.

Ryland Conrad
Ryland Conrad
Assistant VP at RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Yeah, no worries.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

That'd be great.

Ryland Conrad
Ryland Conrad
Assistant VP at RBC Capital Markets

And then just on international on the PFD, I mean, we've seen a few years of lower dividends now, and next year is an election year in Alaska. So do you think it would be reasonable to assume that we should see a larger PFD next year?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

No, I don't think it's. It's not always rational. Next year's not an election year. So the election years are usually when they ramp up. And if you remember, it's been as high as $3,000+, 2017 last year, $1,000 this year. I don't anticipate it would go down, but I don't think it would get, in my kind of experience, it's just watching the cycles. I don't expect it's going to triple. And it's tough to even forecast what it's going to be, but I would not anticipate it would go down. I would say, if anything, marginally up, but it's. Yeah.

Ryland Conrad
Ryland Conrad
Assistant VP at RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Got it. And then just lastly on private label, I know it's still early days, but I guess could you just provide an update on how many stores are now stocked with those products and just whether you've seen any trade down from the national brands?

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Yeah. Most of the stores are now stocked with the private label, with the exception of a few, for example, where we're doing a major renovation in Iqaluit, for example, which is a substantial store, and a couple others. But most of the stores are up now with the private label offering.

Ryland Conrad
Ryland Conrad
Assistant VP at RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Perfect. That's all from me. Thanks.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

Thank you.

Operator

I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to hand the call back to Mr. McConnell for closing remarks.

Dan McConnell
Dan McConnell
President and CEO at The North West Company Inc

All right, well, thank you, operator. Yeah, really, I'd just like to wish everybody a very best of the holiday season, and I look forward to speaking to you on our Q4 earnings in April, so thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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