Red Rock Resorts Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Record fourth quarter and full‐year net revenue (Q4: $492.6 m; FY24: $1.9 b) and adjusted EBITDA (Q4: $223.9 m; FY24: $879.4 m) for Las Vegas operations, though full-year EBITDA margin moderated ~220 bps to 45.7%.
  • Durango Casino Resort achieved almost 16% net return in 2024, enrolled 85,000 new customers, and kicked off a $120 m expansion—adding 25,000 sq ft of casino space and a 2,000-space garage—targeting January 2026 completion.
  • 2025 capital expenditures are budgeted at $375 m–$425 m, including $285 m–$325 m in growth initiatives to refresh Sunset Station and Green Valley Ranch, with major work at GVR starting June 2025.
  • North Fork, a $750 m resort in Central California with 100,000 sq ft of gaming space and 2,400 slots, remains on schedule for a mid-2026 opening as project financing nears close.
  • Net leverage stands at 4.1x debt/EBITDA and a repriced Term Loan B (SOFR+200 bps) cuts interest expense by ~$4 m annually, underpinning a $0.25 quarterly dividend and $224 m returned to shareholders in 2024.
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Earnings Conference Call
Red Rock Resorts Q4 2024
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Operator

Good afternoon and welcome to the Red Rock Resorts Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Please note this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Stephen Cootey, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer of Red Rock Resorts. Please go ahead.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Thank you, Operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for Red Rock Resorts Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me on the call today are Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta, Scott Kreeger, and our Executive Management Team. I'd like to remind everyone that our call today will include forward-looking statements under the safe harbor provisions of the United States federal securities laws. Developments in the results may differ from those projected. During this call, we will also discuss Non-GAAP financial measures. Definitions and complete reconciliation of these figures to GAAP will be referred to the financial table in our earnings press release, Form 8-K, and Investor Deck, which were filed this afternoon prior to the call. Also, please note that this call is being recorded.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Let's start off by stating that the fourth quarter was another very strong one for the company by all measures. Our Las Vegas operations achieved its highest fourth quarter net revenue and Adjusted EBITDA in our history while maintaining near-record Adjusted EBITDA margin. For the year, our Las Vegas operations delivered their best performance ever in terms of net revenue and Adjusted EBITDA while achieving near-record Adjusted EBITDA margin for the year. In addition to showing strong financial results, we continue to be pleased with the financial performance of our Durango Casino & Resort. Durango continues to grow the Las Vegas locals' market as the team continues to execute and improve the property's operational performance, while at the same time driving incremental play from our existing customers and attracting new customers to our brand.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

With a full year under our belt, the property continues to increase visitation and theoretical win from our carded customers in the surrounding area while signing up over 85,000 new customers to our database. The property continues to ramp up and remains on track to become one of our highest margin properties, as well as generate a return of almost 16% net of cannibalization in 2024. Cannibalization is tracking as expected, mainly affecting our Red Rock property. Like we've seen in the past, we expect to backfill this revenue over the next few years given the strong long-term growth in the Las Vegas Valley, especially in Summerlin, where Downtown Summerlin and Summerlin West are set to bring in around 34,000 new households. As stated on our last earnings call, we began construction last month on the next phase of our Durango Master Plan.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

This expansion will add over 25,000 sq ft of casino space, including a new high-limit slot area and bar. In total, 230 new slot machines will be added, with 120 dedicated to the high-limit room. Additionally, we will be constructing a covered parking garage with nearly 2,000 spaces, improving customer access and providing flexibility for future expansions. The project, with a budget of approximately $120 million, is expected to be completed in January of 2026. Some disruption on the south side of the property is anticipated during construction. Across our portfolio, we remain operationally disciplined, executing on our core strategy of reinvesting in existing properties to enhance amenities while maintaining a focus on best-in-class customer service. Despite the return to more typical seasonal patterns, we effectively managed expenses, delivered record financial performance with near-record margins, reinvested in our properties, and returned capital to our shareholders.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Now let's take a look at our fourth quarter and full year results. With respect to our Las Vegas operations, our fourth quarter net revenue was $492.6 million, up 7.2% from the prior year's fourth quarter. Our Adjusted EBITDA was $223.9 million, up 1.6% from the prior year's fourth quarter. Our Adjusted EBITDA margin was 45.4%, a decrease of 250 basis points from the prior year's fourth quarter. On a consolidated basis, our fourth quarter net revenue was $495.7 million, up 7.1% from the prior year's fourth quarter. Our Adjusted EBITDA was $202.4 million, up 0.5% from the prior year's fourth quarter. Our Adjusted EBITDA margin was 40.8% for the quarter, a decrease of 267 basis points from the prior year's fourth quarter. Let's turn to our full year performance.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

With respect to our Las Vegas operations, our full year net revenue was $1.9 billion, up 12.6% from the prior year. Our full year Adjusted EBITDA was $879.4 million, up 7.4% from the prior year. Our Adjusted EBITDA margin was 45.7%, a decrease of 222 basis points from the prior year. On a consolidated basis, our full year net revenue was $1.9 billion, up 12.5% from the prior year. Our full year Adjusted EBITDA was $795.9 million, up 6.7% from the prior year. Our full year Adjusted EBITDA margin was 41%, a decrease of 222 basis points from the prior year. In the quarter, we converted 78% of our Adjusted EBITDA to operating Free Cash Flow, generating $158.6 million or $1.50 per share.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

When looking at our 2024 cumulative Free Cash Flow, we converted 57% of our Adjusted EBITDA to operating cash flow, generating $451 million or $4.27 per share. This significant level of Free Cash Flow was either reinvested in our long-term growth strategy, reinvested into our existing properties, or returned to our stakeholders via debt paydown, share repurchases, and dividends. As we finish 2024, we remain focused on our core locals as we continue to grow our regional national segments across our portfolio. In comparing our results from last year to last year's fourth quarter, we continue to see strong carded slot play across the database, including our regional national segments. Driven by strong customer engagement and robust spend-per-visit across our database, we achieved record revenue and profitability in our gaming segments this quarter. This was accomplished despite the broader market experiencing unfavorable holds in sports betting during the quarter.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Turning to the non-gaming segments, both hotel and food and beverage continued to grow year-over-year and deliver record revenue and near-record profitability in the fourth quarter. Our hotel division experienced its highest fourth quarter revenue and near-record profit, driven by our team's success, and continued to drive occupancy across our hotel portfolio. Not to be outdone, our food and beverage division also experienced its highest ever fourth quarter revenue and near-record profit, driven by higher average check and cover counts across our food and beverage outlets. With regard to our group sales and catering businesses, as mentioned on our last earnings call, we faced a tough fourth quarter comparable. That said, we are seeing positive momentum in both of these business lines as we continue to build our pipeline into 2025.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

As we look ahead to the first quarter, we are seeing stability in our core slot and tables business, in the locals' market, and across our carded database. We remain confident in our business prospects moving forward. Now let's cover a few balance sheet and capital items. The company's cash and cash equivalent at the end of the fourth quarter was $164.4 million, and the total principal amount of debt outstanding was $3.4 billion, resulting in net debt of $3.3 billion. At the end of the fourth quarter, the company's net debt to EBITDA ratio was 4.1 times. Also, during the fourth quarter, we made distributions of approximately $39 million to the LLC unit holders of Station Holdco, which included a distribution of approximately $22.7 million to Red Rock Resorts.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

The company used the distribution to make its required tax payment and pay its previously declared dividend of $0.25 per Class A Common Share. During the quarter, the company repriced its Term Loan B credit facility, which now bears interest at 2% over SOFR. This repricing further strengthens our balance sheet and reduces our interest expense by approximately $4 million per year. Capital spend in the fourth quarter was $26 million, which included approximately $16.8 million in investment capital, inclusive of Durango project retainage, as well as $9.2 million in maintenance capital. For the full year 2024, capital spend was $283.9 million, which includes approximately $172.3 million in investment capital, inclusive of Durango project retainage, as well as $111.6 million in maintenance capital.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

As we look into our capital spend for 2025, we expect to spend between $375-$425 million, which includes $285-$325 million in investment capital, as well as $90-$100 million in maintenance capital. We also remain committed to strategically investing and offering new amenities to our guests in order to drive incremental visitation and spend to our properties. In the fourth quarter, we have successfully opened a Yard House restaurant at our Sunset Station and added local favorite China Mama at our Palace Station property. We are pleased with the results and pleased with our guest response and early results from these new amenities. In addition to these amenities, and as discussed at our last earnings call, we've been making investments into both our Sunset Station and Green Valley Ranch properties into 2025.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

At our Sunset Station property, we'll be building off success we are seeing with our recently renovated Race and Sports Book and partial casino remodel by continuing to refresh the podium in order to better position the property to capture the continued growth in Henderson, including the master planned communities of the Skye and Cadence, which are both expected to add over 12,500 new households upon final completion of both communities. As part of the project, we'll be adding in an all-new country-western bar and nightclub, a new Mexican restaurant, an all-new center bar, along with a completely renovated casino space. Work has already commenced on this project, and the total cost of the renovation is expected to be approximately $53 million.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

At our Green Valley Ranch property, we are expecting to start a complete refresh of our room and suite product, as well as our convention space, aligning the hotel with our most recent renovations made to our well-received high-limit table and slot rooms at the property. Work is expected to start in June of 2025, with the majority of our rooms being back in service by year-end. The cost of the room and convention renovation is expected to be approximately $180 million. Like our other recently introduced amenities, we expect these to be solid investments, however, we do expect some disruption challenges at these properties as we introduce these new amenities to our customers next year.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Turning now to North Fork, we are extremely excited about this project, which is situated on a 305-acre site located north of Fresno, California, with great ingress and egress off the heavily traveled Highway 99. The project is one of the most convenient and accessible locations in Central California, with over 4.2 million people located within two hours of the development site. When complete, this best-in-class resort will include approximately 100,000 sq ft of casino space with over 2,400 slot machines, including 2,000 Class III games, 42 table games, two food and beverage outlets, and a food court with many exciting options. Construction is progressing well, and we anticipate topping off the facility later this month, keeping us on schedule for a mid-2026 resort opening.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

The total project cost is expected to be approximately $750 million, which includes all design costs, construction hard and soft costs, pre-opening expenses, and any financing and development fee costs associated with the project. We are also making steady progress on project financing and anticipate closing on the facility later this quarter. We're excited about these developments, and we will continue to provide these updates during our quarterly earnings call. Lastly, the company's board of directors has declared a cash dividend of $0.25 per Class A Common Share payable on March 31st to Class A shareholders of record as of the record of March 17. When we combine our share repurchases with our special and regularly declared dividends, we return approximately $224 million to our shareholders in 2024. The company had a strong year, and we remain confident in our business models we head into 2025.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

We will continue to validate our long-term growth strategy and demonstrate the power of our own development pipeline and real estate bank, which consists of over 450 acres of developable land positioned in highly favorable areas across the Las Vegas Valley. This pipeline, coupled with our best-in-class assets and locations, gives us an unparalleled growth story that will allow us to double the size of our portfolio and capitalize on the very favorable long-term demographic trends and high barriers to entry that characterize the Las Vegas locals' market. We would like to recognize and extend our thanks to our team members for their hard work. Our success starts with them, and they continue to be the primary reason why our guests keep coming back.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

We thank them again for voting us top casino employer in the Las Vegas Valley for the fourth consecutive year, being certified by Great Place to Work for a third year in a row, as well as being recognized by Forbes as one of America's best in-state employers. Finally, we thank our guests for their loyal support in each of the last six decades. Operator, this concludes our prepared remarks for today, and we are now ready to take questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star and then one on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star and then two.

Operator

Our first question comes from Carlo Santarelli with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Carlo Santarelli
Carlo Santarelli
Managing Director of Gaming & Lodging Equity Research at Deutsche Bank

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. Steve, you alluded to it a little bit, but didn't quantify it. I know back in November, coming off of a tough October on the sports side, I think you called out $6-$7 million from a hold impact there. Incrementally, December was a struggle, I think, for the books in town. Anything you can kind of quantify in terms of maybe the total sports betting hold impact, whether it's year-over-year or relative to normal in the fourth quarter?

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, no problem, Carl. And I guess one thing to mention is the sports business overall was healthy, with right being up almost 10%.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

But as I mentioned in previously disclosed earnings, we caught this $8 million in October and then an additional $6 million in December, year-over-year.

Carlo Santarelli
Carlo Santarelli
Managing Director of Gaming & Lodging Equity Research at Deutsche Bank

Okay. Great. And then if I could, just to follow up, obviously a lot of moving parts with the 4Q just in terms of Durango being in for a stub period this year. As we move into the first quarter, and you talked a lot last call about kind of some of the seasonality that you anticipated in the 4Q, would you be able to do something similar as it pertains to the Q1, acknowledging kind of the low sports hold, the disjointed year-over-year comparison that we obviously saw with Durango, and how you kind of see seasonality playing out quarter-to-quarter?

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, I mean, I think seasonality is just look back to history, right?

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Generally, Q4 to Q1 from the EBITDA perspective is usually up about 6.6%, somewhere in that range.

Carlo Santarelli
Carlo Santarelli
Managing Director of Gaming & Lodging Equity Research at Deutsche Bank

Very helpful, Steve. Thank you very much.

Operator

And the next question comes from Shaun Kelley with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Shaun Kelly
Shaun Kelly
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst for Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure Equities at Bank of America

Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Steve, wondering if we could get a little bit more color just on state of the consumer. I think most of us that stare at regional gaming data noticed a bit of an acceleration post-election. The locals is a little harder to glean just traffic trends from, given sort of the macro nature of we don't get property-specific details. So what did you see?

Shaun Kelly
Shaun Kelly
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst for Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure Equities at Bank of America

Did you guys see something similar in terms of maybe a pickup there in some of your core rated play after the election, and just how has the mood felt maybe subsequent to that so far in Q1? Thanks.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, this is Scott. I'll take that one. From a database perspective, we're seeing consistent positive trends across the database, and we've seen that in the past quarters, and continuing to look into the beginning of the first quarter, we see consistency there, predominantly led by our high-end network customer segment, our regional and national. So across the database, we see stability. As it relates to Durango, we continue to grow our new-to-brand customers. We're up to about 85,000 new sign-ups at the Durango's own, and at the same time, we've seen really strong increases in new member sign-ups across the core properties ex-Durango.

Lorenzo Fertitta
Vice Chairman of the Board and Board Member at Red Rock Resorts

And this is Lorenzo.

Lorenzo Fertitta
Vice Chairman of the Board and Board Member at Red Rock Resorts

Relative to the election, we did see an acceleration, which is typical. We expected that. Typically, you get a lull leading up to a presidential election, people are not focused. But after the election, we definitely saw some acceleration.

Shaun Kelly
Shaun Kelly
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst for Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure Equities at Bank of America

Thank you very much.

Operator

And the next question comes from Jordan Bender with Citizens JMP. Please go ahead.

Jordan Bender
Senior Equity Research Analyst for Gaming and Leisure at JMP

Good afternoon, everyone. On the backfill comments, you guys have previously said that that could take about two to three years to backfill Red Rock. Steve, in the prepared remarks, you said that you could be a couple of years away from fully backfilling that. I might be splitting hairs with this question, but is that taking maybe a little bit more time than anticipated to kind of get back to pre-Durango levels?

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

No, no. Sorry, Dan. Go ahead. No, yeah, my apologies if it was confusing.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

I think with the statement of being on track, we generally have seen historically this takes backfill, takes about two to three years. And that's what was our experience at our past openings, and we are on pace to hit those targets.

Jordan Bender
Senior Equity Research Analyst for Gaming and Leisure at JMP

Understood. Thanks. And then just the commentary around the quarter-over-quarter into 1Q with seasonality, just keeping in mind that we did have Super Bowl in the prior year, is there any way to kind of quantify what kind of positive impact that did have in the prior year as we think about modeling?

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, I mean, the Super Bowl, I think from a hold perspective, again, across the street, it wasn't a very good. Yeah, last year was not a good outcome. This year was a better outcome. Yeah, this year was a better outcome. We needed a 49er win last year.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

But from a hotel perspective, it probably cost us about $1 million across the board.

Jordan Bender
Senior Equity Research Analyst for Gaming and Leisure at JMP

Understood. Thank you very much.

Operator

And the next question comes from Steven Wieczynski with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Steven Wieczynski
Steven Wieczynski
Managing Director for Gaming and Leisure at Stifel

Yeah, hey, guys. Good afternoon. So Steve or Scott, whoever wants to take this, maybe from a high-level perspective, just wondering if you can give us some color on how you're thinking about your customer base for this year. It sounds like per Scott's commentary, stable seems to be the words I guess you guys would describe. But just trying to gauge how you guys are kind of thinking about that spend level across maybe rated play versus non-rated play, and then maybe how you're thinking about the group business for 2025 as well.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, this is Scott. I'll take it. We'll start out with just the core customer. As I said, we've seen stability.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

We continue to anticipate the market to be stable with some green shoots. We're looking forward to the year. Like Lorenzo said, coming out of the election, it seems like we've picked up some steam. And so if you look at all of our kind of customer and consumer metrics, they're all positive going forward. As you look at group, I think you mentioned, I think we had mentioned on previous calls that the fourth quarter was going to be a little tough for us from a group perspective, and that will fade into the first quarter as well. And then for the remaining three quarters of 2025 and into 2026, we see strong pickup in the group segments.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

The good note about the fourth quarter was we still had a record hotel revenue in the fourth quarter because we were able to make up the gap in group through higher OTA mix and other strategies. So we like where that's headed. There's a direct correlation between hotel and catering. So the fourth quarter, we were a little light in catering, but actually in the first quarter, we make it up, and we're seeing positive year-over-year increases in catering going forward. So we like the out-of-market group business. We like the regional and national business right now. So we're optimistic.

Steven Wieczynski
Steven Wieczynski
Managing Director for Gaming and Leisure at Stifel

Okay, great. Thanks for that, Scott. And then second question, Steve, just in terms of there always seems to be rumors out there kind of around the M&A, potential M&A across the gaming space.

Steven Wieczynski
Steven Wieczynski
Managing Director for Gaming and Leisure at Stifel

And just maybe wondering if you could kind of give us your updated thoughts around current appetite for M&A. And I'm guessing you guys probably still don't have much of an appetite for buying versus building, given your large land bank. But just wondering if wanted to hear if anything has changed on that front. Thanks.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

I think overall we look at everything, but I think you hit the nail on the head. We are sitting in probably the best regional gaming market in the United States. We're six parcels of land ready, primed, and ready for development.

Steven Wieczynski
Steven Wieczynski
Managing Director for Gaming and Leisure at Stifel

Okay, gotcha. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Thanks.

Operator

And the next question comes from Stephen Grambling with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Stephen Grambling
Stephen Grambling
Managing Director of Gaming, Lodging & Leisure Research at Morgan Stanley

Hi, thanks.

Stephen Grambling
Stephen Grambling
Managing Director of Gaming, Lodging & Leisure Research at Morgan Stanley

I know you don't really provide explicit guidance, but just wondering if you could provide additional color on the puts and takes impacting even down 2025 versus 2024 as we think through all the different renovations that you've got going on, underlying growth, and Durango ramping.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, I'm going to take some of it, and then I think Steve might be able to add some color. I'll take the disruption piece. I think we mentioned in the last call that we may see as much as $25 million of disruption in the year as we continue to add new amenities, enhancements to the properties. The flip side of that is that we are very encouraged by the capital investments that we've made thus far, namely our high-limit rooms and some of the new restaurant amenities that we've put forth.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

So we anticipate that as these new capital investments come online, we're going to see incremental growth. So Steve, maybe you can add some color.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, the biggest put and take is right where we are lapping Durango. And so we were very happy that the team achieved 16% cash-on-cash return in year one. We are pushing to that 20% return over those three years in order to hit our targets. So there's still room to grow on the Durango front. And then we're obviously very heavily focused on the backfill of Red Rock. I think from an expense standpoint, I think one of the things we are lapping is that in order to be competitive, we proactively raise salaries. And salaries were up on a same-store sales basis up 3.1%. We feel that the labor market is moderating some.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

So we're not only going to lap the salary increases, but also that we have to deal with the minimum wage increases in July. So there's a put and a take.

Stephen Grambling
Stephen Grambling
Managing Director of Gaming, Lodging & Leisure Research at Morgan Stanley

Helpful. Thanks. And one quick follow-up. Just that $25 million, that's incremental to any of the impact that you've seen this year. Is that right?

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah. So far, we've seen very little impact. So the disruption is expected to be spread throughout the year with Green Valley, obviously not really hitting until June.

Stephen Grambling
Stephen Grambling
Managing Director of Gaming, Lodging & Leisure Research at Morgan Stanley

Got it. Thank you so much.

Operator

And the next question comes from Barry Jonas with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Barry Jonas
Barry Jonas
Managing Director and Senior Gaming Equity Analyst at Truist Securities

Hey, guys. The deck mentions eight acres in Reno that are ready for development. I don't believe that was in last quarter's deck. Can you maybe talk about your current thoughts on developing that market overall and where it sits priority-wise?

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, this is Scott.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

You're correct. I do think it's always been in our deck as an available site of land. It may be on the actively marketed side. So we've gone back and forth. We've looked at developing that project. It is gaming entitled. It is a great location in Reno, and it does, as I said, have the entitlement. From a priority perspective, we like the development opportunities we have in Las Vegas. But we're always open to developing that at the right time and the right place, given the priorities for it. If we get an attractive offer for it, we would divest and sell.

Barry Jonas
Barry Jonas
Managing Director and Senior Gaming Equity Analyst at Truist Securities

Great. Thanks for that clarification, and then just a question on North Fork. North Fork, can you talk about where the tribe is at with compact discussions, and to what extent does that influence the timing or gaming composition when the casino opens?

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, we actually went through secretarial procedures, so there's no compact in place. And ultimately, while it took us a little bit longer to get to this place, ultimately, that leads to a bit higher margin when we start operating.

Barry Jonas
Barry Jonas
Managing Director and Senior Gaming Equity Analyst at Truist Securities

So you'll be able to have Class III games with no limitations, just to be clear.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

2,000, 2,000, 2,000 Class III. 400 and change for two years. And that's for two years. Sorry. And then there's no limit.

Barry Jonas
Barry Jonas
Managing Director and Senior Gaming Equity Analyst at Truist Securities

Excellent. All right. Thank you so much, guys.

Operator

And the next question comes from Dan Politzer with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Dan Politzer
Dan Politzer
Director and Equity Research Analyst for Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Wells Fargo

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. First, in terms of the cadence for next year, is it fair to say that the peak disruption periods from Green Valley Ranch and Sunset Station construction will take place in the third and fourth quarter?

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Yes.

Dan Politzer
Dan Politzer
Director and Equity Research Analyst for Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Wells Fargo

Okay. And then if you were coming off the Super Bowl, obviously, we had F1 in Vegas again in the fourth quarter. Can you maybe talk about kind of what you observed over the valley for these two big events? Obviously, Super Bowl, it's typically a big event in Vegas. It didn't take place there this year. But if you could just maybe opine on the demand level that you've seen across your properties in the last few months for these peak events.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

I think for F1, I think we're going to continue with the same answer. Well, we think it's a wonderful event for Vegas, and we're proud that the city hosts the event. It really is a non-event for Red Rock Resorts. So I don't think we see any real impact or noticeable impact. Super Bowl is a different story.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

As we kind of answered the question, I think a couple of questions before, we did need the 49ers to win. But this year, I think we performed a little bit better from a gaming perspective. And then from a hotel perspective, I earlier quantified that we lost, we got to make up about $1 million of hotel business with us hosting the Super Bowl in Las Vegas last year.

Lorenzo Fertitta
Vice Chairman of the Board and Board Member at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, this is Lorenzo. The Super Bowl was a significant impact for our business. Positive gaming and non-gaming, regardless of how the game turns out or whether we hold on, whatever happens. But it was a significant positive impact. And as Steve said, F1, while it is amazing and great for the city, just is an absolutely zero impact on our business either way, whether it is strong or not strong.

Dan Politzer
Dan Politzer
Director and Equity Research Analyst for Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Wells Fargo

Got it. And just one last quick housekeeping.

Dan Politzer
Dan Politzer
Director and Equity Research Analyst for Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Wells Fargo

Any pointers on how to think about corporate expense growth for 2025?

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, I think right now, I think it's about $21 million. That's probably expected. We continue to expect to be at that level.

Dan Politzer
Dan Politzer
Director and Equity Research Analyst for Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Wells Fargo

Got it. Thanks so much.

Operator

And the next question comes from Chad Beynon with Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Chad Beynon
Chad Beynon
Managing Director and Senior Gaming, Lodging, and Theatre Equity Analyst at Macquarie

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Wanted to ask on margins for 2025. Steve, you mentioned that labor's up a little over 3%. As we think about some of the other components, whether it's utilities, insurance, marketing, etc., should we expect any major kind of inflationary growth in 2025, or have those settled down pretty significantly? And if we see revenue growth in 2025, we could actually hold margins all else equal. Thanks.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah. I mean, I think what you're seeing is from a marketing perspective, the market continues to be rational.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

I think from a labor perspective, we did our overlapping not only the minimum wage, but a proactive large increase to make sure that we're competitive in the market. So we hope that that goes away. Obviously, sports was about 150 basis points of margin degradation just this quarter. So we were hoping for not only the better Super Bowl, which I think we got, we were hoping for a better March Madness as well. I think the thing that I think that is that we are nervous about or just looking at is the COGS. And food costs continue to be elevated. Eggs, proteins, etc., continue to be elevated. So that's something we're on the lookout for.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

And we do have one outlier, the GAN sports wagering system.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Once we get that out of Nevada Gaming Control Board audit, there'll be a good chunk of duplicate expenses that we're incurring right now that will go away, which will help margins.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

But overall, we do like where our margins profile is. Sometimes it always helps to look back. When you look back at our fourth quarter pre-COVID, our margins were at 36%. And so sitting here today, people continue to ask about the sustainability of the margins and being north of 45%. We like the structural changes that this team put in place during the COVID period and continue to execute on.

Chad Beynon
Chad Beynon
Managing Director and Senior Gaming, Lodging, and Theatre Equity Analyst at Macquarie

Great. Thank you. And then given the projects that you have right now, do you have any updated views on the plans to grow the tavern business bigger, or is the focus on the internal projects and Durango 2.0 and then activating the land bank? Thank you.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

This is Scott. We're excited to say we are bringing online two more taverns, or we've brought online two taverns. We're bringing online six more taverns within the year. So that's a pretty full plate for us. The first two taverns have been very pleasingly above our expectation in performance. We think we're on to something there, and we're working hard to make sure that we open the six additional taverns in the right manner. Look, opportunistically, these things come up, and we look at these opportunities that fit our investment profile on the tavern, and then we may acquire more or build more.

Chad Beynon
Chad Beynon
Managing Director and Senior Gaming, Lodging, and Theatre Equity Analyst at Macquarie

Thank you very much. Nice quarter.

Operator

The next question comes from Joe Stauff with Susquehanna. Please go ahead.

Frank Fertitta
Frank Fertitta
Chairman of the Board and CEO at Red Rock Resorts

Okay. Thank you. I wanted to ask about just visitation levels in general. You're lapping Durango.

Frank Fertitta
Frank Fertitta
Chairman of the Board and CEO at Red Rock Resorts

Is it fair to say that, say, the overall level of visitation, given the different regions of the local market, have they stabilized in terms of Durango now, a year later? And then how do you drive additional growth in your database from here? Is it more about just pushing people up at different levels, or do you feel as though there's more organic growth to realize?

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, this is Scott. Let's take visitation just in its raw data. Visitation is generally flat within the database. But we are seeing. [crosstalk]

Frank Fertitta
Frank Fertitta
Chairman of the Board and CEO at Red Rock Resorts

That being said, though, Scott, that's against the grand opening of Durango. So that's good news to be able to compete against that.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

That's right. So we do see consolidation of visits, but we do see it to the upside of spend per visit. So in totality, we see upside.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

To Frank's point, we are seeing, one, our uncarded customers settle back into what might be their home property as they went and gave Durango trial. And then, as Frank mentioned as well, you are looking at kind of that year-over-year bump to Durango.

Joe Stauff
Joe Stauff
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Susquehanna

Gotcha. And go on. I'm sorry, Scott.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

As far as growth, we continue to lean into regional and national. That's an area of upside for us, especially through our hotel product. And we mentioned that after the first quarter, we're going to see really strong increases in group sales and strong increases in hotel visitation in general. As it relates to our core and VIP customers, products like the high limit rooms continue to grow incremental revenue. And the new amenities that we're bringing online, as well as refreshing the products at GVR and Sunset, will bring incremental visitation and growth as well.

Lorenzo Fertitta
Vice Chairman of the Board and Board Member at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah. Okay. No, it's Lorenzo. And the market continues to be dynamic. There continues to be population growth. And as we've talked about before, I mean, the interesting thing is that we're seeing it in our high limit rooms and some of our offerings. A higher income person moving and relocating to Las Vegas. And we're continuing to see that. Obviously, we keep our eye on home prices. There's a little bit of a supply-demand issue right now. We're just hoping that the BLM releases more land so that more housing can be developed. And that's my understanding of what the governor's working on right now. And we think that gets done. But there's certainly no lack of demand as far as people wanting to relocate here. So the market's dynamic, and we think it's going to continue to grow as it has over the last 20-30 years.

Frank Fertitta
Frank Fertitta
Chairman of the Board and CEO at Red Rock Resorts

The good news is the majority of the growth that's taking place is in the suburbs where our properties are located off of the beltways and major infrastructure.

Joe Stauff
Joe Stauff
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Susquehanna

Gotcha. If I could squeeze an additional one, you've got 350 of project capital between the three: Durango Phase 2, GVR, and Sunset. Some of that spend, kind of based on your guidance, Scott, goes into the first quarter of next year. Any preview of how you're thinking about additional projects at this point?

Frank Fertitta
Frank Fertitta
Chairman of the Board and CEO at Red Rock Resorts

No, I think we'll be in a position probably by this time next year to give guidance on what the next project is going to be. But we're working very hard right now, but not in a position to disclose it right now.

Joe Stauff
Joe Stauff
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Susquehanna

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

And the next question comes from Brandt Montour with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Brandt Montour
Brandt Montour
Director and Equity Research Analyst of Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Barclays

Good afternoon, everybody.

Brandt Montour
Brandt Montour
Director and Equity Research Analyst of Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Barclays

Thanks for taking my question. So this isn't a, it's like splitting hairs, but it looks like the CapEx expectation for GVR went up just a slight amount. I'm just curious if there's been any sort of change in scope to the project or maybe add-ons, or that that's just sort of normal way inflation or what that is.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

I think, Brandt, when I think we were taking a look at the hotel and the timing of the hotel construction, I think the team thought that adding in and refreshing the meeting space was very important because the hotel and the meeting space really work together. So that was added to the project since the last round of this call.

Brandt Montour
Brandt Montour
Director and Equity Research Analyst of Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Barclays

That's perfect. Thanks for that.

Brandt Montour
Brandt Montour
Director and Equity Research Analyst of Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Barclays

Then just to follow up on the post-election commentary, you did give some color on the broad stability of the market, but the pre-election lull was well documented. The post-election behavior, can you maybe talk rated versus sort of unrated behavior, and what specifically you saw accelerate visits or spend per visit? And then if it sustained into January, what parts of that equation sustained and which parts may have fallen back off?

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, our percentage of carded and uncarded remains consistent. We're about 26.5% uncarded in the database. And as it relates to post-election, we continue to see strength in, like I said, the VIP, which is our highest-end segment, our core segment, and regional and national. We expect to see that continue into the rest of 2025.

Brandt Montour
Brandt Montour
Director and Equity Research Analyst of Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Barclays

Great. Thanks, everybody.

Operator

And the next question comes from John DeCree with CBRE. Please go ahead.

John DeCree
John DeCree
Head of Institutional Investor Research at CBRE

Good afternoon, everyone.

John DeCree
John DeCree
Head of Institutional Investor Research at CBRE

Maybe one more for you on the group sales business. You talked quite a bit about that today and the momentum you're seeing in the back half, and I'm curious if you could speak to the capacity you have to grow that. So do you have a group room night target, or how do you think about kind of balancing that with keeping rooms for your casino customer, and just trying to get a sense of how many more group sales you could do, how much headway you have, or if it's more on pricing that you're getting on rooms and catering business that's driving that momentum, or just more groups that you're going out and getting?

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Well, I think it's both. One, we have capacity still to go.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

So we're probably 60%-70% of the way there in the year for the year on occupancy of the meeting space. The other thing is, because we have a premium product that we would put up against anybody in the market, we compete on price. And so there's an opportunity to continue to grow price. There was a little bit of a lull in the back half of 2024 where people were spending right to their minimums, and they weren't going over their minimums. So I think there's an opportunity to get incremental in-trip revenue out of these customers as we go forward. So I think there is upside there.

John DeCree
John DeCree
Head of Institutional Investor Research at CBRE

Got it. Thanks, Scott. Maybe one quick follow-up on the same topic. What are you guys seeing from those group customers that come in and what they do on the gaming floor? Are they gaming more?

John DeCree
John DeCree
Head of Institutional Investor Research at CBRE

Are they kind of turning into gaming customers? Repeat groups? And are you getting new gaming customers? Are those periods of time good sign-ups for you for gaming customers? Curious how you're kind of cross-selling from the group sales to gaming.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

Yeah, a couple of things. One, we have the benefit of being predominantly corporate in our group mix, which comes with expense accounts and a customer that's more willing to gamble and eat in the restaurant. So it's a better quality customer than, say, an association customer. So we lean into that, and we capture them through all the great new restaurants that we have, specifically at Durango and at Red Rock, and now Green Valley Ranch has Ortikia, Mediterranean restaurant, and Blue Ribbon Sushi. So we have amenities to continue to grow that. You had asked about kind of yielding rooms.

Scott Kreeger
Scott Kreeger
President at Red Rock Resorts

It's our philosophy that putting the most profitable customer in the room is the goal. And that sounds a little obvious, but it's a nuance and an art, right? So we're constantly looking at the overall worth of a gaming customer compared to a convention or a group customer, with probably a little bit more favoritism to the gaming customer because we have an opportunity for repeat visitation.

John DeCree
John DeCree
Head of Institutional Investor Research at CBRE

Thanks, Scott. That's helpful. I appreciate all the help too, I guess.

Ben Chaiken
Ben Chaiken
Senior Analyst of US Consumer Gaming, Lodging & Leisure at Mizuho

And the next question comes from Ben Chaiken with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Hey, nice quarter. Just one quick one for me. I believe we have a development note associated with the North Fork development. Can you remind us the value of that? And then is that still a 28 million ballpark to get that back? Thanks.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

I'm sorry. You have to repeat. The note. Oh, the note.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

The note is about $156 million as of December 31st. As I mentioned in the remarks, we're looking to complete our financing for the project later this quarter. So pending the result of that, we may be able to get some of that note back earlier than 2028 and potentially this year.

Ben Chaiken
Ben Chaiken
Senior Analyst of US Consumer Gaming, Lodging & Leisure at Mizuho

Thank you. That's all. Appreciate it.

Operator

And the final question comes from David Katz with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

David Katz
David Katz
Managing Director at Jefferies

Hi. Afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to go back to one a bit earlier regarding what happens beyond the current projects that you have on the board. And it's not about asking what the project would be in 2026 or any details about them, but really more how you're thinking about leverage and harvest mode versus investment mode and balancing those in 2026. More of a general strategic question.

David Katz
David Katz
Managing Director at Jefferies

What should we expect in that out year beyond this year? Thank you.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

No problem. As I mentioned, some of the CapEx from 2025 would continue to bleed into 2026. And Frank mentioned that we could possibly be in a position to announce our next project next year, this time next year. But right now, leverage is continuing to go down as we ramp up Durango in the backfill of Red Rock. It comes to fruition. So we're sitting at 4.1x, very comfortable at 4.1x. Interest expense is coming down, one due to interest rates coming down, but also due to the refinancing. We'd like to see leverage consistent at this point. But if there's an opportunity that came up, we feel okay floating leverage a little bit higher.

David Katz
David Katz
Managing Director at Jefferies

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session.

Operator

I would like to turn the conference back over to Stephen Cootey for any closing remarks.

Stephen Cootey
EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts

Thank you, everyone, for joining the call, and look forward to talking again in 90 days. Take care.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Scott Kreeger
      Scott Kreeger
      President
    • Frank Fertitta
      Frank Fertitta
      Chairman of the Board and CEO
Analysts
    • Stephen Cootey
      EVP, CFO, and Treasurer at Red Rock Resorts
    • Carlo Santarelli
      Managing Director of Gaming & Lodging Equity Research at Deutsche Bank
    • Shaun Kelly
      Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst for Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure Equities at Bank of America
    • Lorenzo Fertitta
      Vice Chairman of the Board and Board Member at Red Rock Resorts
    • Jordan Bender
      Senior Equity Research Analyst for Gaming and Leisure at JMP
    • Steven Wieczynski
      Managing Director for Gaming and Leisure at Stifel
    • Stephen Grambling
      Managing Director of Gaming, Lodging & Leisure Research at Morgan Stanley
    • Barry Jonas
      Managing Director and Senior Gaming Equity Analyst at Truist Securities
    • Dan Politzer
      Director and Equity Research Analyst for Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Wells Fargo
    • Chad Beynon
      Managing Director and Senior Gaming, Lodging, and Theatre Equity Analyst at Macquarie
    • Joe Stauff
      Senior Equity Research Analyst at Susquehanna
    • Brandt Montour
      Director and Equity Research Analyst of Gaming, Lodging, and Leisure at Barclays
    • John DeCree
      Head of Institutional Investor Research at CBRE
    • Ben Chaiken
      Senior Analyst of US Consumer Gaming, Lodging & Leisure at Mizuho
    • David Katz
      Managing Director at Jefferies
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