NYSE:MFA MFA Financial Q4 2024 Earnings Report $8.47 +0.11 (+1.32%) As of 03:58 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast MFA Financial EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.38Consensus EPS $0.40Beat/MissMissed by -$0.02One Year Ago EPSN/AMFA Financial Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$50.80 millionExpected Revenue$58.06 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$7.26 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMFA Financial Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/19/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, February 19, 2025Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsMFA Financial's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Thursday, November 5, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by MFA Financial Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 19, 2025ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Modest economic book value decline of 3.7% in Q4, with GAAP book value per share down to $13.39 and economic book value at $13.93. Added over $700 million in loans and $450 million in agency securities during Q4 and executed three securitizations backing more than $1 billion of loans. Declared full-year dividends of $1.40 per share, with roughly 40% treated as nontaxable return of capital, enhancing the after-tax yield for shareholders. Maintained recourse leverage at 1.7× year-end 2024 and highlighted the flexibility to call securitizations to unlock liquidity and improve ROE. 60-day+ delinquencies increased to 7.5% (from 6.7%), though management expects low LTV ratios and experienced asset management to mitigate potential losses. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallMFA Financial Q4 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:07Greetings and welcome to the MFA Financial Fourth Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. You may be placed into question queue at any time by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Hal Schwartz, General Counsel. Please go ahead. Hal SchwartzGeneral Counsel at MFA Financial, Inc.00:00:33Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone. The information discussed on this conference call today may contain or refer to forward-looking statements regarding MFA Financial, Inc., which reflects management's beliefs, expectations, and assumptions as to MFA's future performance and operations. When used, statements that are not historical in nature, including those containing words such as will, believe, expect, anticipate, estimate, should, could, would, or similar expressions, are intended to identify forward-looking statements. All forward-looking statements speak only as of the date on which they are made. These types of statements are subject to various known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors, including those described in MFA's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, and other reports that it may file from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Hal SchwartzGeneral Counsel at MFA Financial, Inc.00:01:25These risks, uncertainties, and other factors could cause MFA's actual results to differ materially from those projected, expressed, or implied in any forward-looking statements it makes. For additional information regarding MFA's use of forward-looking statements, please see the relevant disclosure in the press release announcing MFA's Fourth Quarter 2024 financial results. Thank you for your time. I would now like to turn this call over to MFA CEO Craig Knutson. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:01:50Thank you, Hal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for MFA Financial's Fourth Quarter 2024 earnings call. With me today are Bryan Wulfsohn, our President and Chief Investment Officer, Mike Roper, our CFO, and other members of our senior management team. I'll begin with a high-level review of the fourth quarter market environment and then review 2024 highlights. Following my prepared remarks, I'll turn the call over to Mike to review our financial results in more detail, followed by Bryan, who will review our portfolio, financing, Lima One, and risk management before we open up the call for questions. Fixed income markets reversed direction in the fourth quarter of 2024 after rallying strongly at the end of the third quarter following the Fed's long-awaited rate cut of 50 basis points on September 18. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:02:43Despite two additional 25 basis point rate reductions in November and December, yields ground steadily higher during the fourth quarter, with only a short-lived rally after the election in November. Thankfully, the yield curve steepened in the fourth quarter, with two-year yields rising 60 basis points while ten-year rates rose nearly 80 basis points. The economy has remained resilient. The labor market continues to show strength, and inflation, while down materially from the highs, still exhibits a persistent stickiness. A shift in tone from the Fed in the face of this data, together with market concerns about deficits and anticipated Treasury supply, pushed rates higher in the fourth quarter. This sell-off in rates led to a modest economic book value decline for MFA in Q4 of a little less than 4%. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:03:37We remained active during the quarter, adding over $700 million in loans, non-QM and BPL, and over $450 million of agencies. We executed three securitizations in Q4 on over $1 billion of loans, including RTL, non-QM, and NPL loans. On a sad note, we mourn the sudden and unexpected passing of board member Frank Ulrich on December 2. Our management team and board members will miss Frank's valuable insights, sage advice, and quick wit. He was a trusted colleague and a dear friend of mine for over 40 years. Our deepest sympathies are with his wife, Mary, and their large family. For the year 2024, we grew our assets from $10.8 billion to $11.4 billion, including an increase in our agency book of over $800 million, ending the year at $1.4 billion. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:04:34We believe that this agency position provides an attractive return profile while increasing our liquidity and enabling us to easily complement the volume and timing of our loan acquisitions, which can vary month to month and quarter to quarter. Our recourse leverage remained at 1.7 times at year-end, same as at the end of 2023. This is primarily due to our reliance on securitization, which provides fixed and term non-recourse financing. On page 21 in the appendix of our earnings deck, we show all of our outstanding securitizations, including outstanding amounts, weighted average coupon on sold bonds, and the callability of each deal. We believe that this is an underappreciated optionality that we have to call these securitizations when it makes sense to unlock additional liquidity and increase ROEs. We also issued two $25 par bonds early in 2024, totaling $190 million at an average coupon of just under 9%. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:05:42These are five-year bonds, but they're callable at par after two years, specifically February and August of 2026. We also paid $1.40 in common dividends in 2024, which was the same as 2023, and the tax treatment of a substantial portion of these dividends is somewhat unique and we believe confers a material benefit to shareholders, which Mike Roper will explain in more detail. Finally, as we discussed on our third quarter earnings call in November, we effected some management changes both at Lima One and at MFA during 2024, and we are excited and confident in our leadership team for 2025 and the years ahead. And I'll now turn the call over to Mike Roper to talk about financial results. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:06:28Thanks, Craig, and good morning. At December 31, GAAP book value was $13.39 per share, and economic book value was $13.93 per share, a decrease of approximately 3.7% from $14.46 at the end of September. We delivered a total economic return of negative 1.2% for the quarter and positive 5.2% for the year. As Craig mentioned, we again declared dividends of $0.35 per share for the fourth quarter and $1.40 per share for the full year. We were happy to report in late January that approximately 40% of our 2024 common dividends were treated as a non-taxable return of capital to our shareholders. This was the fifth straight year that a substantial portion of our common dividends were treated as non-taxable distributions. This favorable tax treatment substantially increases the after-tax dividend yield realized by holders of our common stock. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:07:21At December 31, we had a fully reserved remaining deferred tax asset totaling $62.7 million, which was carried at zero on our balance sheet. This DTA offers significant protection from future tax obligations, which allows us additional flexibility to efficiently structure transactions to minimize the total tax burden on our shareholders. Though there can be no assurances about the tax treatment of potential future dividend payments, we believe that this favorable tax treatment has been an often underappreciated benefit of owning MFA's common stock. Switching back to our quarterly results. For the fourth quarter, MFA generated GAAP earnings of $5.9 million, or a loss of $0.02 per basic common share. Our GAAP earnings were negatively impacted by higher rates across the yield curve. Distributable earnings for the fourth quarter were $40.8 million, or $0.39 per basic common share, up from $0.37 in the third quarter. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:08:16The quarterly increase in our DE was driven primarily by a $0.04 reduction in realized credit losses on our fair value loans, a $0.04 reduction in our provision for income taxes, and an offsetting $0.05 reduction in the carry earned on our interest rate swaps. Swap carry in the quarter was lower primarily as a result of lower average SOFR rates following the recent series of cuts to the federal funds rate. Additionally, near the end of the quarter, interest rate swaps with a notional value of $450 million and a fixed pay rate of approximately 90 basis points reached their maturity. As we highlight on slide eight of the presentation, we have an additional $550 million of swaps that will mature in the first quarter and a further $125 million that will mature in the second quarter. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:08:59Collectively, this $1.1 billion notional of expiring or expired swaps contributed approximately $0.09 to our fourth quarter distributable earnings. Based on current SOFR rates, we expect that this same cohort of swaps will contribute approximately $0.02 to our first quarter DE, followed by an insignificant impact in the second quarter. Although the expiration of these swaps will reduce our reported distributable earnings and increase our reported cost of funds, we feel better about the fundamental long-term earnings power of our portfolio today than we have in quite some time. The positively sloped yield curve, additional rate cuts expected, increasingly accommodative financing spreads, our significant liquidity, and strong housing fundamentals should all serve as tailwinds for our business moving forward. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:09:44While DE is one of several factors that our board considers in setting dividend policy, we believe that the earnings power of the portfolio remains strong today, and the aforementioned macroeconomic tailwinds are far more indicative of the earnings power of our portfolio than the impact of the expiration of these legacy interest rate swaps. Finally, subsequent to quarter end, we estimate that our economic book value is effectively unchanged since the end of the year. I'd now like to turn the call over to Bryan, who will talk through our portfolio highlights and the performance of Lima One. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial, Inc.00:10:13Thanks, Mike. We continue to have success adding to our $10.5 billion investment portfolio, acquiring over $1.2 billion between loans and securities in the fourth quarter. $470 million of the additions were non-QM loans carrying a coupon of 7.8% and an LTV of 67%. The majority of those loans were acquired through our bulk channel. We were active again purchasing agency securities, growing the portfolio by almost 50% to $1.4 billion at the end of the year. MBS acquired over the quarter were not too low payout 5.5% at modest discounts to par. We believe spreads and carry in agency MBS are attractive in addition to providing liquidity benefits to our portfolio. Lima One originated $235 million of loans in the quarter with an average coupon of 9.5% and an LTV of 67%. For the total of 2024, Lima originated $1.4 billion in business purpose loans. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial, Inc.00:11:19Although origination may not have been as high as we would have liked, we have high confidence in the team of people down at Lima One and believe the process and technological improvements being implemented will show growth throughout 2025. We continue to sell newly originated SFR loans from Lima One. Over the quarter, we sold $111 million, contributing $3.9 million to mortgage banking income. In addition, we sold $141 million of seasoned low coupon unsecuritized non-QM loans. The sale combined with new additions increased our non-QM portfolio coupon 25 basis points to $665. On the financing front, we finished the year strong, issuing three securitizations in the fourth quarter backed by over $1 billion UPB of loans. Our legacy RPL/NPL portfolio is now 98% securitized after our issuance of a non-rated NPL deal. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial, Inc.00:12:21Important for MFA and Lima One, we were able to issue our first rated RTL securitization, issuing over $200 million of bonds at a coupon just under 6%. The rated nature of the transaction allows us to lower our cost of funds significantly from our last non-rated RTL deal. The senior tranche in our rated deal traded 75 basis points tighter than our last non-rated transaction, and in December, we completed our 16th non-QM securitization backed by $380 million of loans. After these three transactions, over three quarters of our loan portfolio were financed through securitization. Our funding profile has undergone a gradual yet significant transformation, making it much more resilient compared to previous years. We reduced our net asset duration modestly in the fourth quarter to 1.02 from 1.16 a quarter ago. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial, Inc.00:13:16As a reminder, we primarily hedge our interest rate exposure through two key tools, issuing fixed rate securitizations and utilizing interest rate swaps. Currently, we have $5.9 billion in outstanding bonds from these securitizations and $3.3 billion notional value of interest rate swaps as of the end of the year. Over the next two quarters, $675 million of these swaps will be rolling off, and as we continue to expand our portfolio with additional agencies, you can anticipate heightened swap activity and an increased utilization of longer dated swaps to ensure our portfolio remains balanced. Moving to our credit performance, 60-plus day delinquencies for our entire portfolio rose to 7.5% from 6.7% a quarter ago. While we have observed an increase in portfolio delinquencies, our low LTV ratios have played an important role in mitigating potential losses. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial, Inc.00:14:13The combination of our experienced asset management team and a low portfolio LTV gives us confidence that even with elevated delinquencies, losses can be mitigated. And with that, we'll turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:14:27Thank you and now to conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to be placed in the question queue, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. One moment, please. While we pull for questions. Our first question today is coming from Bose George from KBW. Your line is now live. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:14:52Yes, good morning. Operator00:14:53Good morning. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:14:54Can you discuss where you see the current economic return of the portfolio? Does that kind of match the EAD this quarter? And also just from your comments on the EAD, just wanted to clarify. So with the swaps rolling off, does that go down by a couple of points in the first quarter based on that? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:15:17Hey, both. Yeah, thanks for the question. So I think the first one about sort of the economic return, certainly if you look at the straight DE ROE, you're in the sort of low teens just based on where it's been. But I think we've said a couple of times on these earnings calls that we like to think about the economic return, meaning if you were effectively to restrike the assets, restrike the liabilities and the hedges and sort of measure what that ROE is, sort of right in that 10-ish% range. And I think when we think about the dividend, it sort of aligns really nicely with that economic earnings power. Thinking about your second question, the numbers I gave in my script, we had about $0.09 in the fourth quarter, and we expect those swaps to contribute about $0.02 to the first quarter before running off. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:16:11Does that answer your question? Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:16:13Yeah. So just the impact on the DE is the difference between the $0.09 and the $0.02 for the first quarter. Is that right? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:16:22Exactly. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:16:25Okay. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:16:25Both, I'll just mention in terms of DE. I think we felt that the DE was rather important, particularly when the Fed was in the middle of a raising cycle where they raised rates by 500 basis points. Because of using fair value accounting, there's just so much noise in the GAAP earnings due to fair value changes that I think we relied on another measure as a more constant. I think in a different rate environment, as Mike said, I think we consider a lot of things, and obviously the board considers a lot of things, but I think the economic earnings power of the portfolio, when we say that we strike everything at market, essentially that's what we do in our book value, right? So our book value is marked to market. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:17:13That's sort of, I think, more of how we think about it than just being married to a particular DE number. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:17:20Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense. And yeah, so just to clarify, so the economic return is not declining by the differences in the $0.09 and the $0.02, it's just the DE is declining the economic return. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:17:31Exactly. That's exactly right, both. The swaps, they're already in book value, right? So the roll-off of those swaps doesn't impact anything from an economic perspective. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:17:43Okay. That's great. Thanks, and then just one more. The Agency MBS that you guys are putting on, what's the return on those assets? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:17:51Yeah. We see hedge return in the mid-teens. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:17:54Okay. Great. Thanks. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:17:58Thanks, Bose. Operator00:17:59Thank you. Next question today is coming from Douglas Harter from UBS. Your line is now live. Corey JohnsonSenior Wealth Strategy Associate at UBS00:18:05Hi. This is actually Corey Johnson on for Doug. I just wanted to ask, what was behind the increase in the delinquencies for single-family and multi-family transitional loans? And why are those delinquencies higher than I guess the other portfolio? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:18:26Yeah. I mean, delinquencies are higher in those portfolios because generally, if you look across our other asset classes that we invest in, those are the riskiest parts, right? So when you're lending against either fix and flip or ground up or bridge, value-add type projects, there's just additional risk. And then with sort of the shorter-term nature of those loans, various things can occur in terms of loans reaching maturity and a home may not have been sold yet, so that loan can enter delinquency if not extended. So there's various things that can happen, but it's not sort of, I guess, unexpected that we're seeing higher levels of delinquency. We'd always like them to be lower, but it's sort of the nature of the asset class comes along with it. Corey JohnsonSenior Wealth Strategy Associate at UBS00:19:27Got it. And then what has the loss experience been on those portfolios and what type of loss or delinquencies are kind of assumed at the time of underwriting? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:19:44Yeah. I mean, we expect in terms of underwritten losses, when we make the loans, we kind of expect somewhere between 50 and 100 bps of loss on average. If you look back historically, given how much HPA we have had, if we look at sort of a net losses type number where you offset that with other delinquent interest that's collected and extension fees collected, that number historically has been very low, close to de minimis. Now, with HPA sort of flattening out in certain areas, we do expect those loss numbers to sort of trend towards our expectation of 50 to 100 basis points. So that's kind of what we do expect going forward. Corey JohnsonSenior Wealth Strategy Associate at UBS00:20:45Got it. Thank you. Appreciate that. Operator00:20:50Thank you. Next question today is coming from Mikhail Gudmundsson from Citizens. Your line is now live. Operator00:20:55Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. If I could just follow up on Lima One, perhaps. How do you guys see things going? What's your outlook for Lima One for the rest of the year? And what kind of product-type loans are you currently focused on? Seems like in the fourth quarter, most of it was single-family transition. Is that sort of continuing to be the focus going forward? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:21:22Yeah. It's really single-family continues to be the focus there, transitional and term rental. We're doing a lot of things there. We've hired additional salespeople to help support growth. We've moved. We're gradually moving into the wholesale channel to grow the rental loan originations, which is sort of coming online now. So we do see prospects for growth in 2025. In terms of an exact number for 2025, I wouldn't be surprised if it's somewhere around $1.5 billion, but sort of trending upwards towards the end of the year. We expect sort of the first quarter to be somewhat flattish versus the fourth quarter. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:22:22Gotcha. And is the management team from that unit now reporting directly to you, Bryan? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:22:30Yeah. It reports up to MFA collectively, myself, Craig, Laurie Samuels as well. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:22:41Great. Thank you for that, Cohen. And could I squeeze in a question about current book value, maybe? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:22:48Yeah. We mentioned in the prepared remarks, we think it's effectively flat from the end of the year. And that's net of the dividend accrual. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:22:58Got it. Thank you, guys. Best of luck going forward. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:23:01Thank you. Thanks for the questions. Operator00:23:05Thank you. As a reminder, that's star one to be placed in the question queue. Our next question is coming from Eric Hagen from BTIG. Your line is now live. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:23:15Hey, thanks. Appreciate you guys. I've got a couple on non-QM. Good morning. I've got a couple on non-QM. I think I'll probably just ask them together. I mean, going back to the option to call and resecuritize the seasoned deals, I realized the cost of funds would go up relative to the cost on those old deals. But on an economic basis, I mean, don't you think the liquidity benefits and releasing liquidity, resetting the leverage, maybe override that to a large degree? And then as an adjoining question, I mean, what's the right way to think about a pickup in prepays for the non-QM portfolio here? I mean, both in terms of the economic return on the backbook and the opportunity to recapture those loans in the portfolio going forward and what the return would look like there. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:23:58So, Eric, I'll take the securitizations question and then have Bryan talk about non-QM. I think, yes, if you look at some of the coupons on some of the AAAs that we sold back in 2021, I think there were some deals where those coupons were less than 1%. So clearly, a new securitization would be at a higher rate. But you have to take the whole deal holistically because there may be very little bit of that A1 from a 2021 deal that's left outstanding right now. And so the ability to substantially increase the borrowing because those deals delever as time goes on can be profound from an ROE standpoint. And trust me, we run the math on those deals. It's a fairly simple or somewhat complicated algebra problem, but at the end of the day, it's pretty straightforward. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:24:57As it relates to prepays, they did tick up over the quarter, and there's a couple of nuanced things as it relates to that. For prepays increasing for loans that we currently hold at a discount, actually, that is a positive for book value because we get cash for something we had marked at, say, $0.96 on the dollar. As it relates to DE, when we get those prepays, because those loans were purchased at a premium years ago, there is an amortization of that premium upon a prepayment, so that would incrementally lower DE. Again, we view that as a positive economically for the company. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:25:50Yep. Okay. Good stuff. Good answers, sir. Appreciate you. Last one. I mean, can you just share the level of unfunded commitments in the Lima One portfolio and over what timeframe you might expect those commitments to get called up? Thank you, guys. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:26:04Eric, I'm not sure we have that number handy. It'll be in the K. It's probably in that $600 million range I'm sort of guesstimating. And in terms of when we expect to fund it, I would say over the next year or so. And just to keep in mind, Eric, most of those loans are in revolving securitization, so it effectively self-funds, right? Those paydowns fund those draws. And obviously, on our warehouse lines, our lenders fund those draws for us as they occur. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:26:34Yep. Good reminder about the securitization structure. Thank you, guys. Appreciate you. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:26:39Thanks, sir. Thank you. Operator00:26:41Thank you. We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further questions and comments. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:26:48All right. Thank you, everyone, for your interest in MFA Financial. We look forward to speaking with you again in May when we announce our first quarter results. Operator00:26:58Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference webcast. Let me disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. 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Email Address About MFA FinancialMFA Financial (NYSE:MFA) is a real estate investment trust (REIT) that focuses primarily on residential mortgage assets. The company invests in and manages a portfolio that may include agency and non-agency mortgage-backed securities, residential whole loans, mortgage servicing rights and other residential credit investments. MFA’s investment activities are designed to provide exposure to the U.S. residential housing and mortgage markets. Through its affiliated businesses, the company also participates in residential lending, including financing for single-family rental properties and residential real estate investors. Founded in 1997 and headquartered in New York City, MFA Financial has operated as a publicly traded mortgage REIT since its initial public offering in 1998. The company serves the U.S. residential mortgage market and is led by Chief Executive Officer Craig L. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:07Greetings and welcome to the MFA Financial Fourth Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. You may be placed into question queue at any time by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Hal Schwartz, General Counsel. Please go ahead. Hal SchwartzGeneral Counsel at MFA Financial, Inc.00:00:33Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone. The information discussed on this conference call today may contain or refer to forward-looking statements regarding MFA Financial, Inc., which reflects management's beliefs, expectations, and assumptions as to MFA's future performance and operations. When used, statements that are not historical in nature, including those containing words such as will, believe, expect, anticipate, estimate, should, could, would, or similar expressions, are intended to identify forward-looking statements. All forward-looking statements speak only as of the date on which they are made. These types of statements are subject to various known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors, including those described in MFA's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, and other reports that it may file from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Hal SchwartzGeneral Counsel at MFA Financial, Inc.00:01:25These risks, uncertainties, and other factors could cause MFA's actual results to differ materially from those projected, expressed, or implied in any forward-looking statements it makes. For additional information regarding MFA's use of forward-looking statements, please see the relevant disclosure in the press release announcing MFA's Fourth Quarter 2024 financial results. Thank you for your time. I would now like to turn this call over to MFA CEO Craig Knutson. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:01:50Thank you, Hal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for MFA Financial's Fourth Quarter 2024 earnings call. With me today are Bryan Wulfsohn, our President and Chief Investment Officer, Mike Roper, our CFO, and other members of our senior management team. I'll begin with a high-level review of the fourth quarter market environment and then review 2024 highlights. Following my prepared remarks, I'll turn the call over to Mike to review our financial results in more detail, followed by Bryan, who will review our portfolio, financing, Lima One, and risk management before we open up the call for questions. Fixed income markets reversed direction in the fourth quarter of 2024 after rallying strongly at the end of the third quarter following the Fed's long-awaited rate cut of 50 basis points on September 18. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:02:43Despite two additional 25 basis point rate reductions in November and December, yields ground steadily higher during the fourth quarter, with only a short-lived rally after the election in November. Thankfully, the yield curve steepened in the fourth quarter, with two-year yields rising 60 basis points while ten-year rates rose nearly 80 basis points. The economy has remained resilient. The labor market continues to show strength, and inflation, while down materially from the highs, still exhibits a persistent stickiness. A shift in tone from the Fed in the face of this data, together with market concerns about deficits and anticipated Treasury supply, pushed rates higher in the fourth quarter. This sell-off in rates led to a modest economic book value decline for MFA in Q4 of a little less than 4%. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:03:37We remained active during the quarter, adding over $700 million in loans, non-QM and BPL, and over $450 million of agencies. We executed three securitizations in Q4 on over $1 billion of loans, including RTL, non-QM, and NPL loans. On a sad note, we mourn the sudden and unexpected passing of board member Frank Ulrich on December 2. Our management team and board members will miss Frank's valuable insights, sage advice, and quick wit. He was a trusted colleague and a dear friend of mine for over 40 years. Our deepest sympathies are with his wife, Mary, and their large family. For the year 2024, we grew our assets from $10.8 billion to $11.4 billion, including an increase in our agency book of over $800 million, ending the year at $1.4 billion. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:04:34We believe that this agency position provides an attractive return profile while increasing our liquidity and enabling us to easily complement the volume and timing of our loan acquisitions, which can vary month to month and quarter to quarter. Our recourse leverage remained at 1.7 times at year-end, same as at the end of 2023. This is primarily due to our reliance on securitization, which provides fixed and term non-recourse financing. On page 21 in the appendix of our earnings deck, we show all of our outstanding securitizations, including outstanding amounts, weighted average coupon on sold bonds, and the callability of each deal. We believe that this is an underappreciated optionality that we have to call these securitizations when it makes sense to unlock additional liquidity and increase ROEs. We also issued two $25 par bonds early in 2024, totaling $190 million at an average coupon of just under 9%. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:05:42These are five-year bonds, but they're callable at par after two years, specifically February and August of 2026. We also paid $1.40 in common dividends in 2024, which was the same as 2023, and the tax treatment of a substantial portion of these dividends is somewhat unique and we believe confers a material benefit to shareholders, which Mike Roper will explain in more detail. Finally, as we discussed on our third quarter earnings call in November, we effected some management changes both at Lima One and at MFA during 2024, and we are excited and confident in our leadership team for 2025 and the years ahead. And I'll now turn the call over to Mike Roper to talk about financial results. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:06:28Thanks, Craig, and good morning. At December 31, GAAP book value was $13.39 per share, and economic book value was $13.93 per share, a decrease of approximately 3.7% from $14.46 at the end of September. We delivered a total economic return of negative 1.2% for the quarter and positive 5.2% for the year. As Craig mentioned, we again declared dividends of $0.35 per share for the fourth quarter and $1.40 per share for the full year. We were happy to report in late January that approximately 40% of our 2024 common dividends were treated as a non-taxable return of capital to our shareholders. This was the fifth straight year that a substantial portion of our common dividends were treated as non-taxable distributions. This favorable tax treatment substantially increases the after-tax dividend yield realized by holders of our common stock. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:07:21At December 31, we had a fully reserved remaining deferred tax asset totaling $62.7 million, which was carried at zero on our balance sheet. This DTA offers significant protection from future tax obligations, which allows us additional flexibility to efficiently structure transactions to minimize the total tax burden on our shareholders. Though there can be no assurances about the tax treatment of potential future dividend payments, we believe that this favorable tax treatment has been an often underappreciated benefit of owning MFA's common stock. Switching back to our quarterly results. For the fourth quarter, MFA generated GAAP earnings of $5.9 million, or a loss of $0.02 per basic common share. Our GAAP earnings were negatively impacted by higher rates across the yield curve. Distributable earnings for the fourth quarter were $40.8 million, or $0.39 per basic common share, up from $0.37 in the third quarter. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:08:16The quarterly increase in our DE was driven primarily by a $0.04 reduction in realized credit losses on our fair value loans, a $0.04 reduction in our provision for income taxes, and an offsetting $0.05 reduction in the carry earned on our interest rate swaps. Swap carry in the quarter was lower primarily as a result of lower average SOFR rates following the recent series of cuts to the federal funds rate. Additionally, near the end of the quarter, interest rate swaps with a notional value of $450 million and a fixed pay rate of approximately 90 basis points reached their maturity. As we highlight on slide eight of the presentation, we have an additional $550 million of swaps that will mature in the first quarter and a further $125 million that will mature in the second quarter. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:08:59Collectively, this $1.1 billion notional of expiring or expired swaps contributed approximately $0.09 to our fourth quarter distributable earnings. Based on current SOFR rates, we expect that this same cohort of swaps will contribute approximately $0.02 to our first quarter DE, followed by an insignificant impact in the second quarter. Although the expiration of these swaps will reduce our reported distributable earnings and increase our reported cost of funds, we feel better about the fundamental long-term earnings power of our portfolio today than we have in quite some time. The positively sloped yield curve, additional rate cuts expected, increasingly accommodative financing spreads, our significant liquidity, and strong housing fundamentals should all serve as tailwinds for our business moving forward. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:09:44While DE is one of several factors that our board considers in setting dividend policy, we believe that the earnings power of the portfolio remains strong today, and the aforementioned macroeconomic tailwinds are far more indicative of the earnings power of our portfolio than the impact of the expiration of these legacy interest rate swaps. Finally, subsequent to quarter end, we estimate that our economic book value is effectively unchanged since the end of the year. I'd now like to turn the call over to Bryan, who will talk through our portfolio highlights and the performance of Lima One. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial, Inc.00:10:13Thanks, Mike. We continue to have success adding to our $10.5 billion investment portfolio, acquiring over $1.2 billion between loans and securities in the fourth quarter. $470 million of the additions were non-QM loans carrying a coupon of 7.8% and an LTV of 67%. The majority of those loans were acquired through our bulk channel. We were active again purchasing agency securities, growing the portfolio by almost 50% to $1.4 billion at the end of the year. MBS acquired over the quarter were not too low payout 5.5% at modest discounts to par. We believe spreads and carry in agency MBS are attractive in addition to providing liquidity benefits to our portfolio. Lima One originated $235 million of loans in the quarter with an average coupon of 9.5% and an LTV of 67%. For the total of 2024, Lima originated $1.4 billion in business purpose loans. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial, Inc.00:11:19Although origination may not have been as high as we would have liked, we have high confidence in the team of people down at Lima One and believe the process and technological improvements being implemented will show growth throughout 2025. We continue to sell newly originated SFR loans from Lima One. Over the quarter, we sold $111 million, contributing $3.9 million to mortgage banking income. In addition, we sold $141 million of seasoned low coupon unsecuritized non-QM loans. The sale combined with new additions increased our non-QM portfolio coupon 25 basis points to $665. On the financing front, we finished the year strong, issuing three securitizations in the fourth quarter backed by over $1 billion UPB of loans. Our legacy RPL/NPL portfolio is now 98% securitized after our issuance of a non-rated NPL deal. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial, Inc.00:12:21Important for MFA and Lima One, we were able to issue our first rated RTL securitization, issuing over $200 million of bonds at a coupon just under 6%. The rated nature of the transaction allows us to lower our cost of funds significantly from our last non-rated RTL deal. The senior tranche in our rated deal traded 75 basis points tighter than our last non-rated transaction, and in December, we completed our 16th non-QM securitization backed by $380 million of loans. After these three transactions, over three quarters of our loan portfolio were financed through securitization. Our funding profile has undergone a gradual yet significant transformation, making it much more resilient compared to previous years. We reduced our net asset duration modestly in the fourth quarter to 1.02 from 1.16 a quarter ago. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial, Inc.00:13:16As a reminder, we primarily hedge our interest rate exposure through two key tools, issuing fixed rate securitizations and utilizing interest rate swaps. Currently, we have $5.9 billion in outstanding bonds from these securitizations and $3.3 billion notional value of interest rate swaps as of the end of the year. Over the next two quarters, $675 million of these swaps will be rolling off, and as we continue to expand our portfolio with additional agencies, you can anticipate heightened swap activity and an increased utilization of longer dated swaps to ensure our portfolio remains balanced. Moving to our credit performance, 60-plus day delinquencies for our entire portfolio rose to 7.5% from 6.7% a quarter ago. While we have observed an increase in portfolio delinquencies, our low LTV ratios have played an important role in mitigating potential losses. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial, Inc.00:14:13The combination of our experienced asset management team and a low portfolio LTV gives us confidence that even with elevated delinquencies, losses can be mitigated. And with that, we'll turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:14:27Thank you and now to conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to be placed in the question queue, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. One moment, please. While we pull for questions. Our first question today is coming from Bose George from KBW. Your line is now live. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:14:52Yes, good morning. Operator00:14:53Good morning. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:14:54Can you discuss where you see the current economic return of the portfolio? Does that kind of match the EAD this quarter? And also just from your comments on the EAD, just wanted to clarify. So with the swaps rolling off, does that go down by a couple of points in the first quarter based on that? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:15:17Hey, both. Yeah, thanks for the question. So I think the first one about sort of the economic return, certainly if you look at the straight DE ROE, you're in the sort of low teens just based on where it's been. But I think we've said a couple of times on these earnings calls that we like to think about the economic return, meaning if you were effectively to restrike the assets, restrike the liabilities and the hedges and sort of measure what that ROE is, sort of right in that 10-ish% range. And I think when we think about the dividend, it sort of aligns really nicely with that economic earnings power. Thinking about your second question, the numbers I gave in my script, we had about $0.09 in the fourth quarter, and we expect those swaps to contribute about $0.02 to the first quarter before running off. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:16:11Does that answer your question? Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:16:13Yeah. So just the impact on the DE is the difference between the $0.09 and the $0.02 for the first quarter. Is that right? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:16:22Exactly. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:16:25Okay. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:16:25Both, I'll just mention in terms of DE. I think we felt that the DE was rather important, particularly when the Fed was in the middle of a raising cycle where they raised rates by 500 basis points. Because of using fair value accounting, there's just so much noise in the GAAP earnings due to fair value changes that I think we relied on another measure as a more constant. I think in a different rate environment, as Mike said, I think we consider a lot of things, and obviously the board considers a lot of things, but I think the economic earnings power of the portfolio, when we say that we strike everything at market, essentially that's what we do in our book value, right? So our book value is marked to market. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:17:13That's sort of, I think, more of how we think about it than just being married to a particular DE number. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:17:20Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense. And yeah, so just to clarify, so the economic return is not declining by the differences in the $0.09 and the $0.02, it's just the DE is declining the economic return. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:17:31Exactly. That's exactly right, both. The swaps, they're already in book value, right? So the roll-off of those swaps doesn't impact anything from an economic perspective. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:17:43Okay. That's great. Thanks, and then just one more. The Agency MBS that you guys are putting on, what's the return on those assets? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:17:51Yeah. We see hedge return in the mid-teens. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at KBW00:17:54Okay. Great. Thanks. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:17:58Thanks, Bose. Operator00:17:59Thank you. Next question today is coming from Douglas Harter from UBS. Your line is now live. Corey JohnsonSenior Wealth Strategy Associate at UBS00:18:05Hi. This is actually Corey Johnson on for Doug. I just wanted to ask, what was behind the increase in the delinquencies for single-family and multi-family transitional loans? And why are those delinquencies higher than I guess the other portfolio? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:18:26Yeah. I mean, delinquencies are higher in those portfolios because generally, if you look across our other asset classes that we invest in, those are the riskiest parts, right? So when you're lending against either fix and flip or ground up or bridge, value-add type projects, there's just additional risk. And then with sort of the shorter-term nature of those loans, various things can occur in terms of loans reaching maturity and a home may not have been sold yet, so that loan can enter delinquency if not extended. So there's various things that can happen, but it's not sort of, I guess, unexpected that we're seeing higher levels of delinquency. We'd always like them to be lower, but it's sort of the nature of the asset class comes along with it. Corey JohnsonSenior Wealth Strategy Associate at UBS00:19:27Got it. And then what has the loss experience been on those portfolios and what type of loss or delinquencies are kind of assumed at the time of underwriting? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:19:44Yeah. I mean, we expect in terms of underwritten losses, when we make the loans, we kind of expect somewhere between 50 and 100 bps of loss on average. If you look back historically, given how much HPA we have had, if we look at sort of a net losses type number where you offset that with other delinquent interest that's collected and extension fees collected, that number historically has been very low, close to de minimis. Now, with HPA sort of flattening out in certain areas, we do expect those loss numbers to sort of trend towards our expectation of 50 to 100 basis points. So that's kind of what we do expect going forward. Corey JohnsonSenior Wealth Strategy Associate at UBS00:20:45Got it. Thank you. Appreciate that. Operator00:20:50Thank you. Next question today is coming from Mikhail Gudmundsson from Citizens. Your line is now live. Operator00:20:55Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. If I could just follow up on Lima One, perhaps. How do you guys see things going? What's your outlook for Lima One for the rest of the year? And what kind of product-type loans are you currently focused on? Seems like in the fourth quarter, most of it was single-family transition. Is that sort of continuing to be the focus going forward? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:21:22Yeah. It's really single-family continues to be the focus there, transitional and term rental. We're doing a lot of things there. We've hired additional salespeople to help support growth. We've moved. We're gradually moving into the wholesale channel to grow the rental loan originations, which is sort of coming online now. So we do see prospects for growth in 2025. In terms of an exact number for 2025, I wouldn't be surprised if it's somewhere around $1.5 billion, but sort of trending upwards towards the end of the year. We expect sort of the first quarter to be somewhat flattish versus the fourth quarter. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:22:22Gotcha. And is the management team from that unit now reporting directly to you, Bryan? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:22:30Yeah. It reports up to MFA collectively, myself, Craig, Laurie Samuels as well. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:22:41Great. Thank you for that, Cohen. And could I squeeze in a question about current book value, maybe? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:22:48Yeah. We mentioned in the prepared remarks, we think it's effectively flat from the end of the year. And that's net of the dividend accrual. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:22:58Got it. Thank you, guys. Best of luck going forward. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:23:01Thank you. Thanks for the questions. Operator00:23:05Thank you. As a reminder, that's star one to be placed in the question queue. Our next question is coming from Eric Hagen from BTIG. Your line is now live. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:23:15Hey, thanks. Appreciate you guys. I've got a couple on non-QM. Good morning. I've got a couple on non-QM. I think I'll probably just ask them together. I mean, going back to the option to call and resecuritize the seasoned deals, I realized the cost of funds would go up relative to the cost on those old deals. But on an economic basis, I mean, don't you think the liquidity benefits and releasing liquidity, resetting the leverage, maybe override that to a large degree? And then as an adjoining question, I mean, what's the right way to think about a pickup in prepays for the non-QM portfolio here? I mean, both in terms of the economic return on the backbook and the opportunity to recapture those loans in the portfolio going forward and what the return would look like there. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:23:58So, Eric, I'll take the securitizations question and then have Bryan talk about non-QM. I think, yes, if you look at some of the coupons on some of the AAAs that we sold back in 2021, I think there were some deals where those coupons were less than 1%. So clearly, a new securitization would be at a higher rate. But you have to take the whole deal holistically because there may be very little bit of that A1 from a 2021 deal that's left outstanding right now. And so the ability to substantially increase the borrowing because those deals delever as time goes on can be profound from an ROE standpoint. And trust me, we run the math on those deals. It's a fairly simple or somewhat complicated algebra problem, but at the end of the day, it's pretty straightforward. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:24:57As it relates to prepays, they did tick up over the quarter, and there's a couple of nuanced things as it relates to that. For prepays increasing for loans that we currently hold at a discount, actually, that is a positive for book value because we get cash for something we had marked at, say, $0.96 on the dollar. As it relates to DE, when we get those prepays, because those loans were purchased at a premium years ago, there is an amortization of that premium upon a prepayment, so that would incrementally lower DE. Again, we view that as a positive economically for the company. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:25:50Yep. Okay. Good stuff. Good answers, sir. Appreciate you. Last one. I mean, can you just share the level of unfunded commitments in the Lima One portfolio and over what timeframe you might expect those commitments to get called up? Thank you, guys. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:26:04Eric, I'm not sure we have that number handy. It'll be in the K. It's probably in that $600 million range I'm sort of guesstimating. And in terms of when we expect to fund it, I would say over the next year or so. And just to keep in mind, Eric, most of those loans are in revolving securitization, so it effectively self-funds, right? Those paydowns fund those draws. And obviously, on our warehouse lines, our lenders fund those draws for us as they occur. Eric HagenManaging Director at BTIG00:26:34Yep. Good reminder about the securitization structure. Thank you, guys. Appreciate you. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:26:39Thanks, sir. Thank you. Operator00:26:41Thank you. We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further questions and comments. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial, Inc.00:26:48All right. Thank you, everyone, for your interest in MFA Financial. We look forward to speaking with you again in May when we announce our first quarter results. Operator00:26:58Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference webcast. Let me disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesCraig KnutsonCEOBryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment OfficerHal SchwartzGeneral CounselMike RoperCFOAnalystsAnalyst at CitizensBose GeorgeManaging Director at KBWCorey JohnsonSenior Wealth Strategy Associate at UBSEric HagenManaging Director at BTIGPowered by