FinWise Bancorp Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 30, 2025

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to FinWise Bancorp's First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

Operator

Thank you. You may begin

Speaker 1

afternoon, and thank you for joining us today for FinWise Bancorp's First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. Earlier today, we filed our earnings release and investor deck and posted them to our investor website at investors.finwisebancorp.com. Today's conference call is being recorded and webcast on the company's website, investors.finwisebancorp.com. On today's call, management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those discussed today. Forward looking statements represent management's current estimates, expectations and beliefs, and FinWise Bancorp assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements in the future.

Speaker 1

We encourage listeners to review the more detailed discussions related to these forward looking statements contained in the company's earnings press release and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Hosting the call today are Kent Landwatter, Chairman and CEO Jim Noon, Bank CEO and Bob Wallman, CFO. Kent, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon, everyone. The FinWinds business model remained resilient in its first quarter, even amidst a more uncertain macro environment. Loans originated totaled approximately $1,300,000,000 and we also posted solid asset growth and encouraging credit quality performance as both NPL balances and net charge offs declined versus the prior quarter. Furthermore, we continue to migrate our loan portfolio to a lower risk profile while still growing profitably and increasing tangible book value. Specifically, our tangible book value per common share ended the quarter at 13.42 versus 13.15 in the prior quarter.

Speaker 2

We also remain well capitalized, significantly above regulatory guidelines with a tangible shareholders' equity to assets ratio of 22%, down from 23.3% at year end 2024. As we have discussed in the past, we expect our capital ratios to decline due to the planned growth in assets. We also remain focused on executing our business strategy, including announcing a new strategic program agreement with Fintech, BACT, subsequent to the end of Q1. As part of our relationship with BACT, FinWise will provide business installment loans to small and medium sized businesses. And we will also provide access to our lower risk credit enhanced balance sheet program.

Speaker 2

While we will continue to closely monitor the economic environment, we remain very excited about the long term outlook for our business. Particularly as our existing and potential strategic partners are enthusiastic about the benefits that our broader banking and payments platform provides them. For 2025, we continue to look for gradual progression and growth as we move through the year, driven by originations from existing programs, as well as incremental growth from programs that were signed late last year and more recently. We also continue to expect our credit enhanced balance sheet program, including a similar extended held for sale product to be a meaningful contributor to our earnings in 2025, with most of the growth coming in the second half of the year as we had discussed on our prior earnings call. With that, let me turn the call over to Jim Noon, our bank CEO.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Kent. As mentioned, our businesses are healthy. We originated approximately $1,300,000,000 in loans during the first quarter, and we were pleased that several of the strategic programs we announced in 2024 began to contribute. That said, in the second half of the quarter, we saw some seasonal softening in demand from our higher yielding partners. And this seasonality is in line with our expectations from prior years.

Speaker 3

Our largest student lending program had a strong seasonal quarter on originations, but we expect this contribution to decelerate in line with school calendars during the second quarter. Although the lending market could change through the first four weeks of April 2025, loan originations are tracking at a quarterly rate of $1,200,000,000 We remain comfortable in the outlook for originations for the year, particularly as the four new programs from 2024 begin to mature more meaningfully with us. Our SBA seven loan originations ticked down a little quarter over quarter. This was driven primarily by average loan size coming in slightly lower in the quarter as we have continued to see stable demand with our SBA lending. We also had solid growth in our equipment leasing and owner occupied commercial real estate lines, both of which have been meaningful contributors to portfolio growth.

Speaker 3

During the quarter, we continued to sell some of the guaranteed portions of our SBA loans,

Speaker 4

as

Speaker 3

we have previously discussed. We plan to continue to sell SBA loans as long as market conditions remain favorable. Our SBA guaranteed balances and our strategic program loans held for sale, both of which carry lower credit risk, in aggregate made up 44% of our total portfolio at the end of Q1. Moving to credit quality, the provision for credit losses was $3,300,000 in Q1 compared to $3,900,000 in the prior quarter. The decrease was driven by lower charge offs.

Speaker 3

Quarterly NCOs were $2,200,000 this quarter versus $3,200,000 in the prior quarter. Regarding NPAs, while we continue to expect roughly $12,000,000 in potential NPA migration during Q2 as a result of higher rates, during Q1 we were successful in reducing our NPA balances to $29,900,000 versus $36,500,000 balance in the prior quarter. The decline in NPAs was driven by consistent collection efforts by our portfolio team. Of the $29,900,000 in total NPAs, dollars 15,100,000.0 is guaranteed by the federal government and $14,700,000 is unguaranteed. I will now turn the call over to our CFO, Bob Wohlman, to provide more detail on our financial results.

Speaker 5

Thanks Jim and good afternoon everyone. For the first quarter, we generated net income of $3,200,000 or $0.23 per diluted common share. Key items that drove our results were softer net interest income, including a sequential NIM decline driven mainly by a change in the mix of originations during the quarter and adjustment of our variable rate SBA loans for the two Q4 rate reductions partly offset by solid fee income. Average loan balances including both held for sale and held for investment loans totaled $565,000,000 for the quarter compared to $522,000,000 in the prior quarter. This increase included growth from our SBA seven commercial leases and consumer programs.

Speaker 5

Average interest bearing deposits were $430,000,000 compared to $355,000,000 in the prior quarter. The sequential quarter increase was driven primarily by an increase in interest bearing demand deposits and broker time certificates of deposits to meet our funding needs. Net interest income was $14,300,000 versus the prior quarter's $15,500,000 primarily due to the previously referenced change in the mix of loan originations, repricing the prime based variable rate loans and lower rates on additions to the held for investment loan portfolio, partially offset by an increase in interest earning assets. Our net interest margin declined to 8.27% from 10% in the prior quarter, driven primarily by a seasonal decline in origination volume from our three highest yielding held for sale programs, the addition of $40,000,000 of lower risk and lower yielding loans to our held for investment portfolio and a decrease in yield in our SBA and other variable rate loans as the 50 basis point Q4 market interest rate reductions took effect. This overall decline in our net interest margin while significant is directionally consistent with our expectations and commentary on prior earnings calls that we would see the NIM decline as we continue to migrate our loan portfolio to a lower risk profile.

Speaker 5

We continue to expect the net interest margin to decline over time due to our risk reduction strategy. So the downward progression could be slower in future periods if we have stronger origination from higher yielding held for sale loans or quicker if we fund large amounts of lower risk but lower yielding assets such as the Crescent enhanced loan portfolio. Fee income was $7,800,000 in the quarter compared to $5,600,000 in the prior quarter. The sequential quarter increase was primarily driven by a modest pickup in strategic program fees, a favorable change in the fair value of our investment in BFG and an increase in miscellaneous income. The increase in other miscellaneous income was due to increased revenue growth from our operating lease portfolio, increased distributions received from BFG and the $900,000 reduction of prior quarter miscellaneous income due to the write off of the called CEs unamortized premiums that we described in January.

Speaker 5

Non interest expense in the first quarter was $14,300,000 compared to $13,600,000 in the prior quarter. The increase was primarily due to an increase in salaries and employee benefits and an increase in professional services expense resulting from reduction in accruals for legal services during the three months ended 12/31/2024. Our efficiency ratio was relatively flat quarter over quarter at 64.8% versus 64.2 in the prior quarter. We remain committed to generating positive operating leverage as we move through 2025 and begin to realize revenue associated with the new programs that have been developed. Future increases incremental headcount will primarily be related to increased production and we do expect to see future decreases in the efficiency ratio.

Speaker 5

Our effective tax rate was 28.1% for the first quarter compared to 24.3% in the prior quarter. The change from the prior quarter was due primarily to permanent differences related to executive compensation. We expect an effective tax rate of roughly 27.5% for 2025. Lastly, we remain comfortable with the outlook provided on last quarter's conference call for the credit enhanced balances to increase by 50,000,000 to $100,000,000 by year end 2025. Positively, we have been working proactively with many of our programs over the last six months and conversations continue to go well.

Speaker 5

We went live with two credit enhancement balance sheet programs by the end of twenty twenty four and additional discussions continue. During the first quarter, we were also pleased to see material growth in an extended held for sale program. In this case, our strategic partner needed balance sheet access, but for a period of less than the full term of the underlying loans, which varies from our credit enhancement program where FinWise typically holds the loans to maturity or payoff. That said, this enhanced held for sale structure also generates incremental bank earnings for FinWise through its yield split model with low credit risk. And the bank is happy to initiate the program.

Speaker 5

This is another example of how FinWise delivers innovative lending products that support our strategic partners' growth and further enhances our revenue opportunities. With that, we would like to open the call for Q and A. For your information, Kent had to step away as he has a travel conflict. But Jim and I are here to answer your questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For a participant using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset Our first question is from Rhett Rabatin with Hovde Group.

Operator

Please proceed.

Speaker 6

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Wanted to start on the expense run rate. It seems like despite possible easing of regulatory levels that the fintech space, people continue to spend money. And just wanted to get a sense of if the build rate may have changed at all in terms of thinking about what you have to do with expense levels for either technology or people or back office from here?

Speaker 5

Good afternoon. Thanks for your question. Yeah, we saw, we coming in right now at about a 65% efficiency ratio, 64.8%, which is relatively flat to what it was last period. From our perspective, the build that we had in terms of the BEN sponsorship and the payments business are substantially complete. We will continue to see some additional expenses.

Speaker 5

Our expenses in the period, came from really in compensation related to FICA income taxes and the fact that we didn't have to pay FICA income tax to those people that had already compensation already exceeded $168,600 and we didn't have that in the fourth quarter and yet that clock restarts this quarter. And then we also had just a normal fluctuation, some cleanup of accruals in Q4 that came through this year. So I think that we are, as we said in the past, we're expecting our expenses to be relatively flat and increase as we see revenues increase.

Speaker 6

Okay, that's great color. And then just wanted to get a little better sense of the path on the margin from here and maybe a different way to tackle it might just be thinking about top line NII growth and just thinking about the margin continuing to atrophy with the risk reduction. Can you still have or can NII growth can be high single digit this year given what's transpiring with the margin?

Speaker 5

Yes, sure. So yes, we did see a significant drop in net interest income and that's been reflected in the NIM. And I can to answer your question, I think directly, the expected growth that we have in NII will come from, as we move forward into the second quarter and throughout the year, comes really from, two sources. First of all, there was the seasonal decline in the amongst the three highest earning partners that we have in that held for sale portfolio. The total originations in the quarter were down approximately 47,000,000 to $50,000,000, for quarter one.

Speaker 5

That has an outsized effect because of the higher yields on portfolios. That traditionally has been seasonal, and we do expect that to come back. So we do expect to see net interest income come up as that origination production returns to migrates towards its normal level. The second area that we would see net interest income come up that you did not see this period will be from increase in the loan portfolio. And the loan portfolio growth will come from what we call what I call the traditional banking products, particularly owner occupied commercial real estate and lease portfolio, which we saw growth in both of those books this quarter.

Speaker 5

But you'll also see we also as we move forward through the year, you'll see the growth in the credit enhanced portfolio. Now all three of those products that I mentioned, their yields are below the average yield, so those will have a dilutive effect on the NIM. So your question wasn't specifically about the NIM, but was about NII. So you'll see NII grow. We expect to see NII grow, but we'll continue to see, particularly from the increase in the volume of loans, we'll see NIM come down from that offset in part or maybe depending upon how much of those we do in the next quarter or the next few quarters, there'll be the balance between those two in terms of what actually happens to the overall NIM rate.

Speaker 6

Okay, that's helpful. And if I could sneak in one last one just around the buyback, you guys didn't buy back any stock this quarter. We were closer to tangible book, certain parts of the quarter. Is there levels that you would start to think about needing the buyback more or is this the growth that you're anticipating in the next few years is just too much of an opportunity relative to maybe doing some accretive buyback?

Speaker 5

Yeah, I think that's a great question. And what we have tended to do in terms of our buyback is exercise that buyback option. If we were to see the share price drop below what our current book value is. And it hasn't done that for some

Speaker 3

time and maybe it would even

Speaker 5

go to a discount. So we haven't been active, for that reason. Plus, we also try to balance it against the need to maintain liquidity in our stock and, enough shares out there. So we don't want to bring in too many shares, not leave enough out there for active trading.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Appreciate all the color.

Operator

Our next question is from Joe Yankchunis with Raymond James. Please proceed.

Speaker 7

Good afternoon. Good afternoon, John. So if I start off here, so sorry

Speaker 8

if I missed this, but what were the credit

Speaker 7

enhanced loan balances exiting the quarter? And then can you reach that 50,000,000 to $100,000,000 year end target with your current partners?

Speaker 4

Kind of

Speaker 7

tacking on to that, how long will it take for BAC to be able to generate or begin to generate credit enhanced loans?

Speaker 3

I can take the first two, Joe. This is Jim, and I'll let Bob take the balance figure. So how quickly or I think the first question was how quickly can we get to that guidance of 50 to 100,000,000 with the existing partners? Yes, we absolutely can. As far as how quickly Bakkt specifically scales up, I would say that that's more of a all of our programs, it typically takes one to two quarters after we've launched them and made the announcement before meaningful volumes start coming through.

Speaker 3

So how backed plays into that 50 to $100,000,000 guidance, I would just say that that's a back end number, back is probably scaling up more in Q4 with us. But we do have other partners that we expect to contribute to that 50,000,000 to $100,000,000 balance by the end of the year. And then Bob, I don't you want to touch on what the balance was.

Speaker 5

So at the end of the year, the balance was slight of the credit enhanced portfolio was slightly under $2,000,000 as we were developing the application and making sure everything was working right. It takes a while to bring on the new partners. And so we're working with the with the older partners that were in the tech mode, and the balance is probably around is about $2,000,000 at this point in time.

Speaker 8

Got it. Okay. So

Speaker 7

2,000,000 exiting March. And then, you know, of just like for me, your prepared remarks, you discussed the CreditHand's kind of balance sheet held for sale product. Wait. I'm sorry. No.

Speaker 7

No. I'm sorry. Yeah. The held for sale product. You know, kind of give me your focus to derisk the balance sheet.

Speaker 7

Why would you sell these loans? And what's that demand for that type of product?

Speaker 3

Sorry. Say say that again, Joe. As far as why do we sell the loans?

Speaker 7

Yeah. The the credit enhanced loans. If the focus on derisking the balance sheet, wouldn't you wanna load up on those a little bit more?

Speaker 3

So I think you might be referring to the extended held for sale in the prepared remarks. The extended held for sales with a partner, like when we first developed the credit enhanced balance sheet product, obviously we're going to existing partners that have good profiles for us to offer this to, whether it's through loan performance or kind of their capital strength, etcetera. And so one of those partners was very interested in the product, but they're a regular user of the securitization markets. And so in that case, we tailored for them this extended held for sale product because it's not their intention to leave those loan accounts or those loan balances with us through payoff charge off on the underlying loan. But they did need this balance sheet capacity for a period of time.

Speaker 3

And that period of time is really during a consolidation period for credit card balances and the refinancing thereof. And so they needed a little bit more than what we typically do, which is a two to four day held for sale period. But they didn't need the full life of loan balance sheet capacity. So this extended held for sale model worked for them. It worked for us with the yield split.

Speaker 3

So it was a good product to roll out.

Speaker 5

I would add just as a note that it still carries a very low risk because the purchase price is all contractual principle and interest.

Speaker 7

Got it. Appreciate that. And then just one more for me. You know, given the current market uncertainty, how would you characterize, healthier strategic partners at this time? Is, you know, is there any concern that you have about, you know, a particular one without naming names?

Speaker 3

No concerns right now, Joe. I'd say origination levels continue to be healthy, and we're comfortable with the guidance, which is a gradual pickup from newer partners throughout '25. As far as macro related stuff, you know, there's a fair amount of stuff going on. But a lot of this we've been through at some point in the past, whether it's economic interruption with COVID, whether it's the significant and quick succession of rate increases and the effects that that has. I would say, one impact that I don't think any of us have control over is just a meaningful slowdown in consumer spending and the impact that that could have kind of across the board in lending, whether it's demand within our FinTech originations, whether it's delinquencies in SBA or other portfolios.

Speaker 3

I mean, we're not seeing any of that right now. But if you're talking about macro risks that are out there, that's certainly something we keep an eye on.

Speaker 8

Perfect. I appreciate it. Thank you for taking my questions.

Speaker 3

No problem.

Operator

Our next question is from Andrew Terrell with Stephens Inc. Please proceed.

Speaker 4

Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 3

Hey, Andrew.

Speaker 4

Maybe just to start on margin, specifically the held for sale yields. Thank you for calling out the I think it was $500,000 impact from it sounds like more seasonal drop in originations from a few partners. Does that come back in the second quarter? Is there any reason it would not come back in the second quarter? And then there's I think you called out $300,000 or so outside of that.

Speaker 4

It was kind of a net yield impact from it sounds like lower rates somewhere, but higher volumes. Can you just explain what drove the rest of the delta there we're seeing in the drop in HFS yields?

Speaker 5

Certainly. So in regards to the expectations as to how the held for sale for those three higher yielding partners will behave here as we move forward through the second quarter of the year, I would expect roughly two quarters two thirds, I'm sorry, to three quarters of that come back during the second quarter and then the remainder to ramp up during the third and the fourth quarter. As it relates to the other activity that drove that, that moved that NIM down, There was in the investment in the health care investment portfolio, we have a significant part of the Federal Reserve, significant part of the small business lending, the SBA loans, are largely variable rate and the Federal Reserve dropped 50 basis points during the Q4 and those reprice at the beginning of each quarter. So we had that flow through during the entire quarter, which accounted for a significant piece of it. And then there was a reduction in yield, related to our strategy to diversify our loan portfolio with a lower risk, lower yielding loans.

Speaker 5

And you see that happen particularly as related to the owner occupied commercial real estate and the lease portfolio and the held for investment portfolio. And then also there was the assess in the held for sale portfolio of the program that we brought on, was the extended held for sale program that also came in at a lower rate and diluted that.

Speaker 4

It. Okay. But the SBA and the diversification to lower risk would all be an HFI. I guess, specifically, was a note on the HFS yields in the release, dollars 500,000.0 for what sounds like the seasonal drop and then $300,000 from just a decrease in yields outside of that. So I guess I was just trying to figure out what the 300,000 there was referencing.

Speaker 5

Well, actually, it comes from, you know, the $500,000 and then in the retained portfolio, the drop related to those, those three higher yielding partners was about an additional $250,000 And then the residual was, as I said, the dilution.

Speaker 4

Okay. Got it. If I can move on just the on the commercial real estate portfolio, mean, it's kind of it's a little bit interesting, pace of the CRE growth right now when it sounds like loan growth for the credit enhanced piece can go from basically zero this quarter to reach that $150,000,000 over the next three quarters. Is obviously a pretty big base of balance sheet growth. But I'm curious like specifically, are you growing commercial real estate wise?

Speaker 4

And we're not seeing too much commercial real estate or loan growth broadly out there right now. So I'm curious what's driving the CRE growth and what specifically asset or industry wise are you putting on?

Speaker 3

Andrew, this is Jim. I'd say just to be clear, this is owner occupied commercial real estate. So it's not going to be the same asset or loan product type that when banks reference commercial real estate loans. This is different. These are always going to be at minimum 51% owner occupied by the small business.

Speaker 3

Generally, they're very similar profiles to what we have in SBA. In some cases, actually originally this was almost a defensive product, right? As we saw SBA borrowers refinancing out, we wanted to get a product out there that met their needs. It's going to be for a better LTV. They're going to get a better rate.

Speaker 3

And so that was the original impetus for the product. Why we've been successful with it? I think I would point to our relationship with Business Funding Group. Their ability to continue to deliver qualified applicants both in SBA and in owner occupied commercial real estate. We did have a pretty big pickup this quarter.

Speaker 3

I would tell you that generally will we have that type of pickup in every quarter throughout '25? No. It'll probably be a little bit more sporadic. But we feel really good about the product. It's a good quality product for us with low credit risk, good LTVs, similar business profiles to what we do in SBA, where we stay out of certain industries.

Speaker 3

So we're very happy about it.

Speaker 4

Yep, understood. What's the net yield you're putting that commercial owner occupied CRE on the books at relative to say the net yield on credit enhanced lending?

Speaker 3

Well, on gross yield, the credit enhanced let me think about the difference here. It's probably owner occupied commercial real estate is likely going to be 300, three 50 basis points below credit enhanced. But again both of those products are newer so it's hard for me to say what the stabilized difference there will be. With the credit enhanced product, that's something that we're still rolling out and we feel good about the numbers we put out there for '25. As far as what that yield looks like, it's a little bit still TBD.

Speaker 3

But it would certainly be higher than the owner occupied commercial real estate.

Speaker 4

Yeah. Okay. Understood. Yeah. And I'm sure it even differs partner to partner.

Speaker 4

If I could also just sneak another one in around just I heard Ken's not here anymore, but you mentioned in the prepared remarks, comments about leveraging capital further. You guys have obviously brought TCE down a bit. Your leverage ratio has come in a bit. Remind us capital goalposts and then specifically whether you're comfortable if a majority of the growth later this year is coming from credit enhanced where you're not taking risk, if you're willing to leverage capital further given the risk free nature of that growth?

Speaker 5

So what we've consistently talked about over the last three or four quarters and we're still staying with is that we have a floor that we could be comfortable with, which would be around 14%. And we would like to maintain our capital with some cushion in excess of the 14%. So that gives us on our balance sheet the ability with our existing capital, that gives us the balance sheet to grow our portfolio and maintain that leverage ratio at that level of in excess of $1,000,000,000 So still a lot of lot of room to grow yet.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Our next question is from Andrew Liesch with Piper Sandler. Please proceed.

Speaker 8

Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. Just sticking with the commercial real estate there. Do you have the yield on what those loans were added at the owner occupied CRE?

Speaker 3

Sorry Andrew, you're saying what's the gross yield on the owner occupied commercial real estate portfolio?

Speaker 8

Yeah, just curious what that came on at.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I would tell you in general, it's gonna be a prime minus product. So it's probably prime minus 100.

Speaker 8

Got it. And then so and then these were sourced from BFG. Is that is that what I heard?

Speaker 3

Correct.

Speaker 8

Okay. Got it. But, you know, it also looks like these were funded with brokered CDs. So the spread on that, when I look at the balance sheet wrong, just looks like the spread on that's pretty narrow. Is it worth it to grow this owner occupied CRE?

Speaker 3

Yeah, I agree that the margins there are tighter than most of our other products. I think we point to the credit risk there also being meaningfully different. But yes, we hear you on the margin being tighter than the other products and certainly something that we keep an eye on and make sure that we're booking good loans. And that's going to be the growth trajectory that's I would say meaningful but it's not going to be the entire, it's not going to be where the primary asset growth of the bank is. It's a good way to capture good customers that might be refinancing out or good referrals that are coming in to BFG and to our existing borrowers.

Speaker 3

We can make good margins but those certainly aren't the highest margins at the bank.

Speaker 8

Got it. Okay. Just think about like the funding side then, not only for this product but for the products going forward. When the BIN sponsorship really gets going, is there opportunities there to bring on deposits? I guess how do you look at funding over the course of maybe the next year rather than looking at the brokered funds, brokered sources?

Speaker 5

So that is the plan. We expect to see significant deposit growth as it relates to both BIN sponsorship and we also look for deposit growth from the payments business. In addition to that, we are close to launching our online account opening, which will also give us another source of non brokered funding, more core funding.

Speaker 8

Great. That's good to hear. Looking forward to seeing that product, and I will step back. Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation.

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