NYSE:MET MetLife Q1 2025 Earnings Report $95.74 -1.96 (-2.01%) Closing price 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$96.10 +0.37 (+0.38%) As of 07:51 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast MetLife EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.96Consensus EPS $2.00Beat/MissMissed by -$0.04One Year Ago EPS$1.83MetLife Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$18.57 billionExpected Revenue$18.06 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$509.50 millionYoY Revenue Growth+15.60%MetLife Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date4/30/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, May 1, 2025Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsMetLife's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Wednesday, November 4, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, November 5, 2026 at 9:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by MetLife Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 1, 2025ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Adjusted Q1 earnings of $1.3 billion ($1.96/share) rose 7% yoy, with a 14.4% return on equity and a 12% direct expense ratio demonstrating resilience despite foreign currency and interest margin headwinds. Group Benefits earnings jumped 29% on improved working-age mortality, while Retirement & Income Solutions saw $1.8 billion of pension risk transfer inflows lifting liability exposures 8%, and Asia and Latin America delivered double-digit sales and constant-currency earnings growth. MetLife signed a $10 billion variable annuity reinsurance deal with Talcott to accelerate legacy runoff, reduce enterprise risk and unlock about $250 million in statutory value, despite forgoing $100 million of annual earnings offset by $45 million in hedge savings. Capital returned totaled $1.8 billion in Q1 via $400 million of dividends and $1.4 billion of share repurchases, backed by a new $3 billion buyback authorization and a 4.1% dividend increase, while holding-company cash rose to $4.5 billion above its $3–4 billion target. Management reiterated confidence in the “all weather” strategy to navigate rising recession risks and market volatility, focusing on disciplined expense control and strategic investments to sustain growth and returns. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallMetLife Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Welcome to the MetLife Q1 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Before we get started, I refer you to the cautionary note about forward-looking statements and yesterday's earnings release and to risk factors discussed in MetLife's SEC filings. With that, I will turn the call over to John Hall, Global Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. John HallGlobal Head of Investor Relations at MetLife00:00:40Thank you, Operator. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for MetLife's Q1 2025 earnings call. Before we begin, I point you to the information on non-GAAP measures on the investor relations portion of MetLife.com in our earnings release and in our quarterly financial supplements, which you should review. On the call this morning are Michel Khalaf, President and Chief Executive Officer, and John McCallion, Chief Financial Officer and Head of MetLife Investment Management. John HallGlobal Head of Investor Relations at MetLife00:01:11Also participating in the discussion are other members of senior management. Last night, we released a set of supplemental slides which address the quarter as well as the risk transfer transaction we also announced yesterday. They are available on our website. John McCallion will speak to those supplemental slides in his prepared remarks. An appendix to the slides features additional disclosures, GAAP reconciliations, and other information which you should also review. After prepared remarks, we will have a Q&A session which will end promptly at the top of the hour. As a reminder, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. With that, over to Michel. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:01:56Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. A few months ago, we rolled out our new frontier strategy to guide MetLife over the course of the next five years. As you will recall, a keystone of our new frontier strategy is the all-weather nature of our market-leading set of businesses. Once again, after powering through the supply and mortality challenges of COVID and then bank liquidity concerns, we find our strategic diversification put to the test. As we move through 2025, with the odds of a recession on the rise, we are seeing unprecedented volatility in the daily trading of the U.S. equity markets. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:02:35We are also seeing interest rates rise on the long end of the curve, fall in the middle, but Fed funds still remain high at the short end. Meanwhile, after a historic run of strengthening, the U.S. dollar has started to weaken against many currencies around the world. Although MetLife is not immune to the impacts presented by this uncertain backdrop, we are confident we have the right businesses and the right strategy to meet the moment. At our core, MetLife is a recurring revenue business model. In any given year, the vast majority of the revenues and earnings we generate are a function of renewal premium or investment income from assets and liabilities that are already on our books. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:03:19While a slowing economy can dampen growth for our group benefits business, we've not yet seen cracks in the job market. Further, the primary profit driver, mortality, for our largest group product line, Group Life, is largely uncorrelated to the economy. For our retirement and income solutions business and our investment management business, higher long-term interest rates are helpful on the demand side. The underlying growth of our international businesses, which has been partly masked by the strong dollar, could start to emerge as a tailwind. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:03:56Standing behind it all, our investment portfolio has been risk-off for several years and is well situated to absorb recessionary stress. Our positive track record on this front is well established. Over the course of our 157-year history, we have seen challenging times before and have succeeded in driving long-term value for our shareholders and other stakeholders, and we are well positioned to do so again. Let me now turn to our Q1 results, which we reported last night. I believe they reflect the resilience of our business model and underscore many of the points I just made. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:04:34We reported adjusted earnings of $1.3 billion, or $1.96 per share, up 7% from the same period a year ago. We saw favorable underwriting, good volume growth, and better variable investment income in the quarter, which were partially offset by unfavorable foreign currency exchange and recurring interest margins. Variable investment income was aided by the performance of our real estate funds, which continued their steady recovery. Private equity funds gained 1.6% in the quarter, which is below our implied quarterly outlook return. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:05:11Our adjusted return on equity in the Q1 was 14.4%, and our 12% direct expense ratio is evidence of our efficiency mindset at work. Shifting to business segment results, our group benefits business reported adjusted earnings of $367 million, up 29% from the prior year period, on favorable life underwriting margins due to lower mortality. We continue to see favorable mortality for the working-age population, which is consistent with CDC data. Moving to retirement and income solutions, or RIS, adjusted earnings totaled $401 million in the quarter. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:05:55Sales of synthetic GICs and U.K. longevity reinsurance were strong in the quarter, and inflows associated with pension risk transfers totaled $1.8 billion, an outstanding start for the year. Our liability exposures are up 8% from a year ago. Looking to Asia, adjusted earnings were $374 million, down 12% over the same period a year ago, on lower underwriting margins and higher taxes. Sales for the region were up 10% on strong volume growth in Korea and China. Sales in Japan have started to turn the corner, and we are seeing very good energy around a new U.S. dollar-denominated product that we introduced in the bank channel at the end of the Q1. Turning to Latin America, adjusted earnings were $218 million, down 6% from the year-ago period, though foreign exchange rates played a role. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:06:52On a constant currency basis, our adjusted earnings were up 7% compared to the prior year period. Adjusted PFOs in the region tell a similar story, up 1% on a reported basis, but up 14% on a constant currency basis. Overall, we continue to see strong momentum across our leading markets in Latin America. Since launching our new frontier strategy in December, we have been laser-focused executing on its key pillars, and we are already making meaningful progress. I'd like to expand by providing two related proof points. We were pleased to announce last night another significant risk transfer deal, particularly given the current economic landscape. We have entered into an agreement with Talcott Resolution Life Insurance Company to reinsure approximately $10 billion of U.S. retail variable annuity and rider reserves. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:07:48Consistent with our long-term objectives, the planned transaction will accelerate the runoff of MetLife's legacy business, positively reduce the company's enterprise risk, and substantially lower the company's retail variable annuity tail risk. For its part, MetLife Investment Management is on an aspirational path to $1 trillion in total assets under management. We have integrated the teams from Mesirow that we acquired in the quarter, and we are working at pace to close our roughly $100 billion AUM acquisition of PineBridge, a substantial down payment toward achieving our aspiration for MIM. Turning to capital and cash, in the Q1, we accelerated our capital management activity, returning around $1.8 billion to shareholders through common stock dividends and share repurchases. We paid common stock dividends of roughly $400 million and repurchased approximately $1.4 billion of our common shares. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:08:48The above-average buyback pace was a function of fewer repurchases in the Q3, as we were locked out of the market due to pending announcements. We expect subsequent quarters this year to be at a more measured pace. Following our new $3 billion repurchase authorization that was announced last night, our total board authorization is now about $3.4 billion. In recognition of our financial strength and flexibility, our board of directors increased our common dividend per share by 4.1% last week. Further adding to our financial flexibility, we were active in the debt capital markets in the Q1, issuing $1.25 billion of pre-capitalized trust securities, as well as $1 billion of subordinated debt. We ended the quarter with $4.5 billion of cash and liquid assets at our holding companies, which is above our target cash buffer of $3 billion-$4 billion. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:09:47Shifting to governance, we announced in February that Christian Mumenthaler will be joining our board of directors effective May 1. Prior to joining our board, Christian had a distinguished career at Swiss Re, culminating in an eight-year term as Group Chief Executive Officer. We are glad to have someone with his skill set and experience on our board as we drive our new frontier strategy forward. In closing, the underlying fundamentals of our portfolio of businesses remain strong, as evidenced by our solid first-quarter performance. While the operating environment may present challenges, we have emerged stronger from prior periods of turmoil. We've done this by following a playbook that focuses on the levers we control, like discretionary expenses, without sacrificing investments in strategic growth initiatives. When we set our new frontier goals, we were under no delusion that it would be easy. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:10:45One of the things that gives me confidence in our ability to succeed is the team here at MetLife. For the third year in a row, we are proud to have been named among the 100 best companies to work for by Fortune. Our team is energized and engaged. That leaves me convinced that our people are up to the task at hand, driven and motivated to deliver on MetLife's superior value proposition of responsible growth, attractive returns, and lower risk. Now I'll turn it over to John to cover our quarterly performance in more detail. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:11:18Thank you, Michel, and good morning, everyone. I'll refer to the 1Q25 supplemental slides, which covers highlights of our financial performance and an update on our liquidity and capital position. We have also included a few slides summarizing our variable annuity reinsurance transaction announced yesterday. Starting on page three, we provide a comparison of net income to adjusted earnings in the Q1. We had net derivative gains, primarily due to the strengthening of the Japanese yen and the Chilean peso versus the U.S. dollar, as well as unfavorable equity markets. That said, derivative gains were mostly offset by market risk benefit, or MRB, remeasurement losses due to lower interest rates and weaker equity markets in 1Q of 2025. In addition, net investment losses were largely the result of normal trading activity on the portfolio, and credit remained stable. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:12:12On page four, you can see the Q1 year-over-year comparison of adjusted earnings by segment and corporate and other. Adjusted earnings were $1.3 billion, up 1% and up 5% on a constant currency basis. While foreign currencies strengthened against the U.S. dollar in the current quarter, most major currencies weakened year-over-year. The positive year-over-year drivers were favorable life underwriting, higher variable investment income, and solid volume growth across most business segments. These were partially offset by lower recurring interest margins. Adjusted earnings per share were $1.96, up 7% and up 11% on a constant currency basis, aided by strong free cash flow and robust capital management over the prior four quarters. Moving to the businesses, group benefits adjusted earnings were $367 million, up 29% from the prior year quarter. The key driver was favorable life underwriting margins due to working-age mortality improvement compared to the prior year period. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:13:17The group life mortality ratio was 84.8% for the quarter, which is at the bottom end of our 2025 target range of 84-89%, and better than the winter flu season expectations. We continue to see post-COVID favorable mortality trends in the working-age population, consistent with CDC data. The non-medical health interest adjusted benefit ratio was 74.1%, slightly above our target range of 69-74%. Dental utilization is seasonally highest in the Q1, and we expect the ratio to be toward the middle of the target range in Q2. Turning to the top line, group benefits adjusted PFOs were up 2% year-over-year. While mortality improvement was favorable to group benefits bottom line, it masks top-line growth due to the impact on premiums for participating life contracts, which can fluctuate with claims experience, but has a limited impact to earnings for those contracts. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:14:19RIS adjusted earnings were $401 million, up 1% year-over-year. The primary drivers were higher variable investment income and favorable underwriting performance, partially offset by unfavorable recurring interest margins. RIS total investment spreads were 114 basis points, up 2 basis points sequentially due to higher VII. RIS continues to achieve strong business momentum. Adjusted PFOs were $2.4 billion, primarily driven by strong U.S. PRT sales in the quarter, which resulted in new inflows of $1.8 billion in Q1 of 2025. Excluding PRTs, RIS adjusted PFOs were up 14%, primarily driven by continued growth in U.K. longevity reinsurance, as demonstrated by one jumbo case sold in the quarter with a contract value of $1.7 billion. In addition, total liability exposure grew 8% versus the prior year period, most notably up 7% in general account liabilities. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:15:19Moving to Asia, adjusted earnings were $374 million, down 12% and down 9% on a constant currency basis, primarily due to less favorable underwriting margins and an adjustment of a deferred tax asset to reflect an increase in Japan's effective tax rate. This reduced Asia's adjusted earnings by approximately $15 million. General account assets under management at amortized cost was up 5% year-over-year on a constant currency basis, and sales were up 10% on a constant currency basis. While Japan sales were down 8%, as foreign currency products remain under pressure given ongoing yen volatility, other Asia sales were up 41% on a constant currency basis, most notably with the strong growth in Korea and China. Latin America adjusted earnings were $218 million, down 6%, but up 7% on a constant currency basis, primarily due to higher volume growth across the region and favorable tax items in the quarter. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:16:20This was partially offset by less favorable underwriting margins, as well as lower Chilean Encaje returns compared to a strong Q1 2024. Latin America's top line continues to perform well, although reported growth rates are being masked by currency headwinds, most notably due to the weakness in the Mexican peso year-over-year. Adjusted PFOs were up 1%, but up 14% on a constant currency basis, driven by strong growth and solid persistency across the region. EMEA adjusted earnings were $83 million, up 8% and up 14% on a constant currency basis, primarily driven by solid volume growth, partially offset by less favorable expense margins year-over-year. EMEA adjusted PFOs were up 8% and up 12% on a constant currency basis, reflecting strong sales across the region. MetLife Holdings adjusted earnings were $154 million, down 3% due to the runoff of the business. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:17:19We continue to look for opportunities to optimize this legacy block of business through risk transfers. As announced yesterday, we have entered into an agreement with Talcott Resolution Life Insurance Company to reinsure approximately $10 billion of U.S. retail variable annuity and rider statutory reserves. I will provide more details on that transaction shortly. Corporate and other adjusted loss was $248 million versus an adjusted loss of $241 million in the prior year. Lower net investment income was partially offset by lower expenses year-over-year. The company's effective tax rate on adjusted earnings in the quarter was 23.2%, modestly below our 2025 guidance range of 24%-26%. On page five, this chart reflects our pre-tax variable investment income for the four quarters of 2024 and Q1 of 2025, which was $327 million. This result was up sequentially, but below our implied quarterly run rate of $425 million. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:18:20Private equity returns were 1.6% in the quarter, and our real estate and other funds yielded an average return of roughly 2% in the quarter. As a reminder, PE and real estate and other funds are reported on a one-quarter lag and accounted for on a mark-to-market basis. Looking ahead to the Q2, we plan to disclose preliminary information regarding our expectations for the variable investment income in the early part of July. We are doing this for the Q2 given the current environment. On page six, we provide VII post-tax by segment and corporate and other for the four quarters of 2024 and Q1 of 2025. As reflected in the chart, RIS, Asia, and MetLife Holdings continue to hold the largest proportion of VII assets, given their long-dated liability profiles. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:19:10However, as a reminder, each business has its own discrete portfolio aligned and matched to its liabilities. Moving to expenses on page seven, this chart shows a comparison of direct expense ratio for the full year 2024 of 12.1%, Q1 of 2024 of 11.9%, and Q1 of 2025 of 12%. As we have highlighted previously, we believe our full-year direct expense ratio is the best way to measure performance due to fluctuations in quarterly results. That said, we believe our results in Q1 position us well to achieve our full-year direct expense ratio target of 12.1%, demonstrating our ongoing expense discipline and a sustained efficiency mindset. I will now discuss our cash and capital positions on page eight. Overall, MetLife is well capitalized with more than ample liquidity. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:20:02We opportunistically repurchased about $1.4 billion of our shares in the Q1 and have repurchased approximately $150 million of our shares in April. As we announced yesterday, our board has authorized a new $3 billion share repurchase program, reflecting the collective confidence in our new frontier strategy and the strength of our balance sheet, as well as management's commitment to return excess capital to our shareholders. Cash and liquid assets at the holding companies were $4.5 billion at March 31st, which is above our target cash buffer of $3 billion-$4 billion. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:20:37Beyond repurchases, cash at the holding companies reflects the net effects of subsidiary dividends, payment of our common stock dividend, and holding company expenses and other cash flows. In addition, we had a $1 billion subordinated debt issuance and redeemed $500 million of maturities in the quarter. Regarding our statutory capital, for our U.S. companies, our 2024 combined NAIC-RBC ratio was 388%, which is above our target ratio of 360%. For our U.S. companies, preliminary Q1 2025 statutory operating earnings were approximately $600 million, while net income was approximately $500 million. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:21:19We estimate that our total U.S. statutory adjusted capital was approximately $16.4 billion as of March 31, 2025, down 6% from year-end 2024, primarily due to dividends paid, partially offset by operating earnings. Finally, we expect the Japan solvency margin ratio to be approximately 725% as of March 31st, which will be based on statutory statements that will be filed in the next few weeks. Before I wrap up, let me comment on the risk transfer transaction that we announced yesterday, highlight shown on page nine. As we have discussed in the past, MetLife Holdings is a well-seasoned and well-diversified legacy block. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:22:02We continue to focus on our primary objectives to meet customer obligations, look for efficiencies in how we operate, and seek opportunities to further optimize the business. As we have noted, we have continued to take a third-party perspective, which helps us better manage the business internally, while also providing us optionality to appropriately accelerate the release of reserves and capital at the right value with the right strategic partner. This transaction with Talcott Resolution Life Insurance Company covers approximately $10 billion of current U.S. retail variable annuity and rider statutory reserves via funds withheld for the general account reserves and modified co-insurance for the separate account liabilities. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:22:44This risk transfer significantly lowers our exposure to retail variable annuity tail risk by reducing account values by approximately 40%, which in turn would positively reduce our enterprise risk associated with capital markets and its related volatility. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:23:01It is expected to deliver approximately $250 million in statutory value, consisting of a ceding commission and release of capital over time. Also, we expect the transaction will result in foregone adjusted earnings in MetLife Holdings of approximately $100 million annually. However, this will be offset by an annual hedge cost savings to the enterprise of roughly $45 million associated with this block of business. In addition, we have secured investment management mandates for MetLife Investment Management to manage roughly $6 billion of assets with Talcott, which supports our strategy to expand third-party fee income. Turn to page 10. You can see how our VA balances have declined over time, consistent with our strategy. At our 2024 investor day in December, we highlighted the left side of the chart showing the 26% drop in VA balances over the five-year period from 2019 through 2024. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:24:00As shown on the right side of the chart, we expect total VA balances will further decline to $24.5 billion as of March 31, 2025, reflecting the reinsurance transaction with Talcott. Overall, this represents a more than 50% decline in VA balances since 2019, a positive development for MetLife's risk profile. In addition to lower balances, it is also important to note the remaining product mix, which will include a significant portion of traditional group retirement variable annuities of roughly $9 billion. These include 403(b) and 457(b) annuities for retirement plans, which have limited guarantees. Let me conclude by saying that MetLife delivered a solid quarter, reflecting the strong underlying fundamentals across our portfolio businesses. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:24:49While the environment remains uncertain, we remain confident in delivering all-weather performance achieved through a position of strength with a strong balance sheet, recurring free cash flow generation, and a diversified set of market-leading businesses. As we embark on the new frontier, our strategic priorities allow us to accelerate responsible growth and generate attractive returns with lower risk. Our variable annuity reinsurance transaction with Talcott is another proof point of how MetLife has both the tools and commitment to generate long-term value for our stakeholders. With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator for your questions. Operator00:25:25Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you'd like to withdraw that question, press star one again. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Jimmy Bhullar with JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:25:45Hey, good morning. I had a question first on your spreads in the RIS business. If you look at the base yield, it was down, I think, around 11 basis points sequentially, around 13 basis points year-over-year, and spreads were down, I think, almost a similar amount. Not sure if that's mix or I know you had interest rate gaps that you might not be benefiting from, but what's driving that? Should we assume a further decline or stabilization in spreads from these levels? John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:26:22Yeah, hey, Jimmy, it's John. This answer probably requires a little bit of a holistic view of RIS. I'll give you the punchline upfront. We did have a decline sequentially in spreads, a function of rates and curve, offsetting that is growth. Let me give Ramy a chance to just talk about some, I'd say, growth-exceeding expectations, and then I'll come back and talk about spreads. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:26:47Hey, Jimmy. Thank you, John. Just to give you a sense of the growth momentum this quarter, you can see it on our balances year-over-year and sequentially, but we've got a number of notable wins in the quarter. We've got a very strong Q1 for PRTs with $1.8 billion of inflows. I would note, Jimmy, that all of these transactions were with sponsors who are Fortune 500 companies, which is really encouraging for us. We talked back in December about the very first U.K. funded Re deal that we did with a well-established U.K. insurer. We continue to see really good momentum for us in that market. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:27:33Also, in the U.K. market, we have a very robust pipeline in the U.K. longevity space, and that is coming off the back of the jumbo transaction that we executed in the quarter. Last but not least is stable value. We are a leader in that market, and this has been a very strong quarter for us, and we capitalized on some of the market disruption. You put all of these together, we are seeing really strong momentum from an earnings perspective. It is coming from investment spreads, but it is also coming from underwriting and fees over time. You see that in the 8% growth in the liability balances. For the full year, we expect to be at the upper end of that 3% to 5% balance growth that we guided you back in February. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:28:18This is a bit of a growth from a liability balances perspective. Maybe, John, I'll hand it back to you to talk about the spreads. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:28:25Yeah. I just thought that maybe just setting that up to start, because as you said, we are down a bit sequentially. We did have, as you mentioned, a seven-basis point decline in the core spread. When we were going through this back in February, we did expect a decline. We had the remaining roll-off of the interest rate caps. We expected that to be a five or six-point drag, but had expected to partially offset that with certain management actions in the quarter. However, we had some rates were different. The path of rates were different. We had lower rates than expected. We had a flatter curve than expected. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:29:05It became a bit difficult to reposition the portfolio and leverage some of our tools we had to offset that cap roll-off. The second thing we had in the quarter is we had more than expected paydowns in certain higher-yielding structured securities and loans. And when we were redeploying that, you were redeploying that at some lower spreads, and that was in the early part of the quarter. Those two things impacted our ability to offset some of the cap roll-off in the quarter. As Ramy said, if you take growth, it is probably exceeding expectations, caps are coming in a little lower. They are likely going to stabilize from here into the Q2. Net-net, you are effectively flat relative to earnings expectations. Hopefully that gives a little color as to how to think about the two. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:30:10On your CRE portfolio, the main metrics are pretty similar with how they've been recently with loan-to-values and coverage ratios and stuff. It seems like things were starting to stabilize, but are you seeing any indications that with all this uncertainty that the recovery is going to stall, or what are you seeing in the commercial mortgage loan book? John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:30:32Yeah. It's a good question. As you said, real estate activity and office leasing, it really was continuing to show signs late in the year and even into Q1. I think our statistics show that office leasing activity in Q1 was the strongest we've seen since mid-2019. Investment activity has been up year-over-year as well, I think roughly 10%. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:30:58Generally, there's been some good momentum, but I would say that we'll have to just monitor kind of where we are in terms of some of the uncertainty that's out there. It might slow a little momentum. I think our feeling is the sector has found a trough in values, generally all else equal. We saw that in some of our LTVs and our debt service coverage ratio. I mentioned this maybe last quarter. This year and probably next year, you will resolve a lot of the things that we put up reserves for over the last several years. This will be kind of the resolution point, but that tends to happen at the trough. I think we still think we're there. Again, it's a bit all else equal, but we are feeling it. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:31:47If you go back to VII, we had a 2% roughly return on the real estate-related funds in the quarter. There are signs of improvement, but obviously, we'll have to just see how long the uncertainty persists. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:32:05Thank you. Operator00:32:05Your next question comes from the line of Tom Gallagher with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:32:15Good morning. First question is on the risk transfer deal. I guess on its face, the pricing maybe does not look so great in terms of, we'll call it the earnings multiple of what you're giving up. As we all know, this is kind of a pretty volatile higher tail risk. I think that should be considered. Can you talk a bit about the way you approached it valuation-wise? I guess you're giving up $50 million roughly of net income. How much cash flow do you end up losing? Then talk a little bit about how you viewed the tail risk and overall why this deal made economic sense for you. Thanks. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:33:08Sure. Tom, it's Ramy here. Let me just maybe give you a sense of how we got to the deal, and then we'll tackle some of the specific questions you had. You should definitely look at this in the context of the new frontier strategy that we talked about, in particular in the lower risk pillar of that strategy. We have taken a very disciplined approach here as we looked at potential transactions, especially in the context that we have a well-seasoned and well-managed book. For us, the goal here is to create value for our shareholders and all our other stakeholders. The reinsurance partner matters. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:33:53The structure really matters, but so does the price. We do look at that price from a number of lenses, including an economic lens when we think about the valuation of the book. We definitely have a view of that, which the price was very much in line with. We also look at it in terms of the impact, if you will, from a loss of GAAP earnings perspective versus the seeding commission. You should look at that also in the context of the cost of hedging that we're also now no longer incurring. Net, net, when you put that together, the value that we received was very much in line with our expectations. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:34:35It also removes a lot of the tail risk, which, as you know, the capital requirements for this business could be significantly higher should we see a downturn in the equity and the interest rate environment. All of these things were part of our consideration. Maybe I'll turn it to John to talk about the cash flow pieces of this. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:34:55Yeah. I think your question kind of summarized it, Tom. We would think of the cash flow as kind of the net of the two. That's generally, you could think of that as almost your change in tack. It's probably a good proxy for what we're, but I think to Ramy's point, it's what you're giving up in a stable environment, right? If the environment changes, your economics can change. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:35:25Equity markets over several years now have been on an upward trajectory. We've had higher interest rates. It was really an opportunistic way for us to kind of lock in the exit value here and also find a really good partner that we've been able to work with and get to know and feel good about the transaction. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:35:45Gotcha. Thanks. Just my follow-up, can you comment on what your underwriting experience was like in MetLife Holdings this quarter between, let's say, on the mortality side for life insurance and then also on long-term care? Thanks. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:36:02Hey, Tom. It was very much in line this quarter across both the LTC book as well as the retail life book. Nothing to note here in terms of underwriting across MLH. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:36:21Thanks, Ramy. Operator00:36:21Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Krueger with KBW. Please go ahead. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:36:30Hey, thanks. Good morning. First question was more high level. Just hoping to get some thoughts on the current environment. To what extent is it influencing changes in how you're managing the company? I guess, for example, would you anticipate any changes to the capital management strategy or the expense strategy given the uncertainty in this environment, or do you view things largely as business as usual for now? Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:37:00Yeah. Hey, good morning, Ryan. Thanks for the question. It's Michel. Clearly, we're not oblivious to the environment in which we operate. We sort of, I think it's fair to say that the possibility of a recession has risen. Having said that, I think our strategy, we like to call it all weather because, again, it doesn't assume a rosy picture. It does not assume a deep recession either. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:37:40I would say we're very much focused on executing on the pillars of the strategy. No change whatsoever when it comes to that. I think you can see from sort of our capital management action that, again, there's no change in terms of our approach. The $3 billion authorization, the 4.1% increase in income and dividends per share, again, sort of evidence in terms of the confidence that our board and we have in our financial standing. Given the environment, we tend to focus on those levers that we do control. Expenses is one of them. We want to continue to invest in strategic growth initiatives, but at the same time, there are discretionary aspects to expenses that I've asked the team to make sure that we're managing really, really well given the environment. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:38:49Beyond that, I would say I do not like to use the term BAU, but I would say we are very much sticking to our strategy and really pleased also with the underlying momentum that we are seeing across our businesses. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:39:07Thank you. In group benefits, PFO growth, I think excluding participating policies was towards the lower end of your target. Can you give a little bit more color on what you are seeing and also how you think that may progress as the year goes along? Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:39:26Thank you, Ryan, and good morning. If you think about our 2% reported number here, there are two drivers driving that kind of headline number. The first and the larger impact, I would say, is the favorable mortality we saw from those participating contracts, which John talked about. If you compare our life underwriting ratios year-over-year, we did see more than a 5-point drop in mortality this quarter from Q1 of 2024. Really great outcome from an underwriting perspective, especially in what is a seasonally high mortality quarter. As you know, Q1 does tend to be heavier. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:40:10Now, the impact that has on our participating contracts, you get lower death claims, which result in lower premiums. If you exclude that impact, the underlying PFO growth was about 4%. You're talking about a 200 basis points growth that is masked in our headline number. The other driver for the quarter does relate to our 1/1 rate actions that we took on our dental block. As we discussed a few times over the last six months, we did see a faster-than-expected acceleration in dental utilization. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:40:49As part of our underwriting discipline, we are very quick to take actions when we see the market and utilization numbers move. One-one is the most significant renewal date for our dental business. These actions did have an impact on our persistency in the dental block, but we remained disciplined in the market, and we did get the rate increases that we required, and we walked away from some business that did not meet our target margins. I would say, as you look forward, the dental rate actions are largely behind us at this point. In fact, we are seeing the earnings benefits starting to come through our dental earnings. As you think about the full year, both of these effects, the PAR impact as well as the dental impact, will moderate. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:41:40You should expect us, for a full-year reported basis, to be back in line with our guidance of 4-7%. You would have had another 100 basis points or so if you want to look at the underlying numbers, which exclude the PAR contracts. The last thing I would say is, based on our really strong results this quarter, we are also expecting no change to our full-year outlook on earnings for the group business. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:42:08Great. Thank you. Operator00:42:13Your next question comes from the line of Suneet Kamath with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:42:19Thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to ask on the buyback. It was obviously very strong in the Q1. In April, it was pretty modest. I get your comment about kind of catching up to lack of activity in the Q3. But was there anything in the month of April that was sort of precluding you from maybe leaning in a little bit? I do not know if this VA deal was big enough where you were blacked out, but anything going on with the timing there? Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:42:46Yeah. Hi, Suneet. Michel here. No. I think we sort of April was sort of in line with we did what we set out to do, I would say. There was not any impact from any pending announcements or anything like that. As I mentioned, in the Q1, we leaned in given the fact that in the Q4, given some pending announcements there, we were precluded from potentially doing more than we did. Clearly, as I said, you can expect a more measured pace from here. Do not use the $1.4 billion in the quarter as a quarterly run rate. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:43:40We will continue to be opportunistic but deliberate as well when it comes to our activity here. What I would also reiterate is that nothing changes in how we think about capital. Our first priority is funding attractive organic growth. Next, we will look for strategic inorganic opportunities that are risk-adjusted hurdle rate clearing. I think PineBridge is a good example of that. If we have excess capital, we will return it deliberately over time as we have consistently done. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:44:20Okay. That is fine. That makes sense. I guess for Ramy, obviously, the PRT sales in the Q1 were pretty strong. In markets like this where interest rates are moving around and equity markets are swinging around and maybe the funding status of pension plans are swinging around as well, does that do anything to kind of activity in the market one way or the other? Just want to get a sense of how we should think about if this environment persists, what PRT could look like as we move through the year. Thanks. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:44:53Thank you, Suneet. I mean, excessive market volatility does have an impact. I would say it's more of a timing impact in terms of from a plan sponsor perspective. It can be a distraction in terms of ensuring how they're kind of thinking about their ALM and in the context of highly volatile markets. Having said that, if you think about the space that we play in, in the PRT space, the jumbo space, these are plan sponsors who've been on a de-risking journey for a number of years. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:45:31Therefore, as part of that de-risking journey, they are far more hedged, if you will, from a liability-driven perspective, both in terms of their interest rate exposure of the assets versus the liabilities and would be largely out of the kind of risky bucket of assets, equities, alternatives well before the point that they're ready to transact. That tells you the stability of the segment of PRT plan sponsor, of DB plan sponsors who would transact, well hedged, and you wouldn't expect to see much change in their funding ratios. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:46:13Therefore, we think there may be a temporary impact in terms of a distraction, if you will, but we do not see that having a real change in terms of the pipeline of the transactions that will come through. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:46:26That makes sense. Thanks. Operator00:46:27Your next question comes from the line of Wes Carmichael with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead. Wes CarmichaelSenior Analyst at Autonomous Research00:46:35Hey, good morning. First question on variable investment income. I think you have guided for a bit more normal return in 2025 and a pretty decent result in the quarter. Given the market volatility in April and some shelved IPOs in the wake of tariff announcements, are you expecting you can still come in at a more normal level for the year? If you have any insight into Q2, that would be helpful. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:47:01Hey, Wes. Good morning. It is John. Yeah. VII in this quarter, I mean, private equity, as we mentioned in our opening remarks, had a 1.6% return in the quarter. Just as a side note, we also saw over $600 million of distributions come through, so well in excess of actually the earnings we saw in the quarter. Again, I would say a function of our well-diversified seasoned portfolio in the private equity funds. We also had real estate funds on average come in, and real estate-related funds come in around 2%. Lower than kind of the implied run rate from the guidance we gave, but above the Q3, which was in line with the range we gave a quarter ago. To your point around the outlook, look, while these investments had tended to lag public equity markets, public equity markets did very well last year. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:47:59We saw, obviously, there's a number of factors why PE returns were lagged there. The current environment creates some challenge, and it's already difficult to project PE, probably more challenging to predict in the current environment. One of the things I mentioned in my opening remarks is that in light of this uncertainty, we plan to actually provide some preliminary information in early July on the VII, and we should have decent insight. Just again, in light of the kind of, I'd say, the unusual situation that we have, we'll look to do that as opposed to trying to forecast anything for now. Hopefully that helps. Wes CarmichaelSenior Analyst at Autonomous Research00:48:49Yeah, it does. Thanks, John. I guess my second question, I know I've asked a couple of times before, but as we're nearing implementation of the ESR in Japan, I think there were a couple of conversations with the industry and the regulator on some treatment of long duration and FX-denominated products. Are you still feeling pretty good about implementation and any thoughts on how that folds into your expected reinsurance strategy? John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:49:13Yeah. I think you've asked it a few times. We'll probably give you the same answer we've given a few other times, which is still feeling pretty good. It's an effective April 1. Probably three things to think about. One is operational readiness. We feel like we're in a good position. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:49:36There are things that are not perfect, but all in all, taking the collective weight of items, certainly one we can manage through, and we feel like we have made really good progress with the new framework. Other things to just remind you, we have always kind of priced under an economic framework in the past. Moving to this, it really does not change how we would operate. We always had a view of economic and kind of the statutory framework. That was always under our mentality, making sure good ALM always matched in terms of rates and currency in terms of our products. I think as we look at it now, there is certainly nothing that would indicate that it would change our dividend policy or factor as it relates to Japan. Wes CarmichaelSenior Analyst at Autonomous Research00:50:30Great. Thank you. Operator00:50:32Your next question comes from the line of Wilma Burdis with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management at Raymond James00:50:40Hey, good morning. We just worked on an analysis of portfolio yield, and what we found is that NIM provides a very attractive risk-adjusted return. Could you just talk about how you market NIM and what the organic growth pipeline looks like there? Thanks. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:50:58Hi, Wilma. Thanks for that. You can feel free to share that analysis. We'd like to see it too. Yeah, look, I think from a philosophy perspective, we certainly feel the same, and certainly as it relates to the clients that we look to serve. I think pipeline continues to be good. Coming out, obviously, there's a variety of different factors over the last few years, but there's been a steady growth in the client segments that we serve. We see that continuing. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:51:34I think to your point, I think the quality of our products and solutions that we offer, we believe, is differentiated and certainly provide what we believe is a great long-term value for our clients and our partners. As of now, I'd say things continue. There's a lot of activity out there. There's a lot of opportunities from a business development perspective, and we're very optimistic of our five-year strategy here. Hopefully that helps. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management at Raymond James00:52:10Great. Could you just talk about the type of assets that you're managing for Talcott? Thank you. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:52:20Yeah. We don't get into too much details, but I'll give you generally, there's $6 billion of assets that we were able to kind of obtain through an investment management mandate. Half of it is a function of some of the assets that are part of this transaction. Another half was actually separate. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:52:41As we obviously got to know and built a relationship with Talcott over time and also being able to share some of our capabilities, we were able to kind of work with them and provide an additional mandate on top of that. Mostly, I'll just say in some of the public fixed income area, but also some of those were overseas. Maybe that helps. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management at Raymond James00:53:05Thank you. Operator00:53:08Your next question comes from the line of Joel Hurwitz with Dowling. Please go ahead. Joel HurwitzEquity Research at Dowling00:53:15Hey, good morning. Can you unpack the non-medical health loss experience in the quarter? I get the seasonality, but was surprised to see it up a bit year-over-year. I guess, how was dental experience this quarter versus last year period? Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:53:35Sure. It's Ramy here. Maybe let me start with the dental piece. The performance of the dental business in this quarter was right in line with our expectations. Recall that Q1 just tends to be a higher utilization quarter as the benefit resets. I will also just point you to what I just mentioned earlier with respect to the disciplined underwriting here in terms of the actions that we have been taking on 1/1. We are certainly pleased with the outcome of those actions. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:54:12That will set us up nicely in combination with the heavy Q1 utilization quarter behind us to see a gradual decline for the non-medical health ratio. Think of that for the full year being towards the midpoint of our range. The other parts of the ratio, disability, disability continues to perform very much in line with our expectations. STD and LTD incidents came in right on the mark. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:54:47We continue to see very strong recoveries in terms of the closures. I would say those are coming in slightly ahead of our expectations in the disability block. The small headwind we did see in disability relates to delays in the Social Security Administration approvals, which did have somewhat of an impact this quarter, albeit small. Net, net, I would say performing in line with our expectations and think of a full year number to be close to the midpoint of our range. Joel HurwitzEquity Research at Dowling00:55:24Got it. Very helpful. Switching gears, other Asia sales were very strong in the quarter. Can you just unpack what you saw there? I guess with the increased geopolitical tensions, what are you seeing in April as far? Lyndon OliverRegional President Asia at Metlife00:55:41Hey, Joel, it's Lyndon here. Yeah. Let me give you color on kind of the overall sales in Asia, and we'll cover what happens in Japan as well as what's going on in the rest of Asia. We've had a strong start to the year. Q1 sales were up 10% across the region, and we're on track to grow full year sales in line with our outlook of mid to high single digits. Let's start with Japan. We've had a good, strong start. We've got strong market share across all our distribution channels, including the banker channel. While we've seen some decline in the FX products in recent quarters, we are seeing momentum pick up. Lyndon OliverRegional President Asia at Metlife00:56:25If you look at the sequential growth in the Q1, it was strong. Now, looking at April, Michel mentioned we'd launched a new single premium life product in the bank channel. This has been very well received, and we've got other actions planned during the rest of the year. We expect this momentum to continue. Now, going to the rest of Asia, outstanding quarter sales were up 41% from the prior year. This is driven primarily by China, where we saw the addition of some new bank partners come on board, and that really helped with the sales there. Lyndon OliverRegional President Asia at Metlife00:57:03Also in Korea, very strong performance in our face-to-face channels, both in career agency as well as in the independent channels. I hope that helps. Joel HurwitzEquity Research at Dowling00:57:19Thank you. Operator00:57:22We have time for one more question, and that question comes from Nick Anito with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Nick AnitoCompany Representative at Wells Fargo00:57:28Hey, good morning. Thanks. Just wanted to touch on group life and the expectation for the balance of the year, given it's been coming in pretty strong. Is it something you have confidence in for a sustained period, or is it more touch and go for the outer quarters? Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:57:46Thanks. Thanks for the question. Just maybe to comment on this quarter first. We did see favorable incidents, and really, you can draw almost a straight line between our results and the CDC population data results for the working-age population. That favorability has been manifesting itself for the last kind of couple of quarters and working its way into our ratios. I would say at this point, I can't speculate, and I don't want to speculate if the favorability will continue for the rest of the year. It's too early to tell. What may be useful is just to come back to our outlook guidance ratios. Remember, we guided to be at the midpoint of the lower half of our range. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:58:38Think of that as kind of an 85.5 number. That guidance always assumes a heavier Q1 mortality. With Q1 behind us and Q1 being favorable, just the simple arithmetic here, even if we continue not to see any further favorability, the simple arithmetic would have us towards the lower end of our range for the full year. Think about an 84 number for the full year compared to the guidance that we have given you before. Nick AnitoCompany Representative at Wells Fargo00:59:14Got it. Thanks. That's really helpful. I guess just on Chariot Re, can you guys give any update there? I think you previously said the expectation would be to do an initial backbook deal out of Met, but any update there would be helpful. Thanks. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:59:30Yeah. Hi, Nick. It's Michel. Really pleased with our progress, and we are excited about the growth opportunities that Chariot Re will allow us to capture. We are moving at pace with our co-sponsor, General Atlantic, to fully capitalize and operationalize the company. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Welcome to the MetLife Q1 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Before we get started, I refer you to the cautionary note about forward-looking statements and yesterday's earnings release and to risk factors discussed in MetLife's SEC filings. With that, I will turn the call over to John Hall, Global Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. John HallGlobal Head of Investor Relations at MetLife00:00:40Thank you, Operator. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for MetLife's Q1 2025 earnings call. Before we begin, I point you to the information on non-GAAP measures on the investor relations portion of MetLife.com in our earnings release and in our quarterly financial supplements, which you should review. On the call this morning are Michel Khalaf, President and Chief Executive Officer, and John McCallion, Chief Financial Officer and Head of MetLife Investment Management. John HallGlobal Head of Investor Relations at MetLife00:01:11Also participating in the discussion are other members of senior management. Last night, we released a set of supplemental slides which address the quarter as well as the risk transfer transaction we also announced yesterday. They are available on our website. John McCallion will speak to those supplemental slides in his prepared remarks. An appendix to the slides features additional disclosures, GAAP reconciliations, and other information which you should also review. After prepared remarks, we will have a Q&A session which will end promptly at the top of the hour. As a reminder, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. With that, over to Michel. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:01:56Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. A few months ago, we rolled out our new frontier strategy to guide MetLife over the course of the next five years. As you will recall, a keystone of our new frontier strategy is the all-weather nature of our market-leading set of businesses. Once again, after powering through the supply and mortality challenges of COVID and then bank liquidity concerns, we find our strategic diversification put to the test. As we move through 2025, with the odds of a recession on the rise, we are seeing unprecedented volatility in the daily trading of the U.S. equity markets. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:02:35We are also seeing interest rates rise on the long end of the curve, fall in the middle, but Fed funds still remain high at the short end. Meanwhile, after a historic run of strengthening, the U.S. dollar has started to weaken against many currencies around the world. Although MetLife is not immune to the impacts presented by this uncertain backdrop, we are confident we have the right businesses and the right strategy to meet the moment. At our core, MetLife is a recurring revenue business model. In any given year, the vast majority of the revenues and earnings we generate are a function of renewal premium or investment income from assets and liabilities that are already on our books. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:03:19While a slowing economy can dampen growth for our group benefits business, we've not yet seen cracks in the job market. Further, the primary profit driver, mortality, for our largest group product line, Group Life, is largely uncorrelated to the economy. For our retirement and income solutions business and our investment management business, higher long-term interest rates are helpful on the demand side. The underlying growth of our international businesses, which has been partly masked by the strong dollar, could start to emerge as a tailwind. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:03:56Standing behind it all, our investment portfolio has been risk-off for several years and is well situated to absorb recessionary stress. Our positive track record on this front is well established. Over the course of our 157-year history, we have seen challenging times before and have succeeded in driving long-term value for our shareholders and other stakeholders, and we are well positioned to do so again. Let me now turn to our Q1 results, which we reported last night. I believe they reflect the resilience of our business model and underscore many of the points I just made. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:04:34We reported adjusted earnings of $1.3 billion, or $1.96 per share, up 7% from the same period a year ago. We saw favorable underwriting, good volume growth, and better variable investment income in the quarter, which were partially offset by unfavorable foreign currency exchange and recurring interest margins. Variable investment income was aided by the performance of our real estate funds, which continued their steady recovery. Private equity funds gained 1.6% in the quarter, which is below our implied quarterly outlook return. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:05:11Our adjusted return on equity in the Q1 was 14.4%, and our 12% direct expense ratio is evidence of our efficiency mindset at work. Shifting to business segment results, our group benefits business reported adjusted earnings of $367 million, up 29% from the prior year period, on favorable life underwriting margins due to lower mortality. We continue to see favorable mortality for the working-age population, which is consistent with CDC data. Moving to retirement and income solutions, or RIS, adjusted earnings totaled $401 million in the quarter. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:05:55Sales of synthetic GICs and U.K. longevity reinsurance were strong in the quarter, and inflows associated with pension risk transfers totaled $1.8 billion, an outstanding start for the year. Our liability exposures are up 8% from a year ago. Looking to Asia, adjusted earnings were $374 million, down 12% over the same period a year ago, on lower underwriting margins and higher taxes. Sales for the region were up 10% on strong volume growth in Korea and China. Sales in Japan have started to turn the corner, and we are seeing very good energy around a new U.S. dollar-denominated product that we introduced in the bank channel at the end of the Q1. Turning to Latin America, adjusted earnings were $218 million, down 6% from the year-ago period, though foreign exchange rates played a role. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:06:52On a constant currency basis, our adjusted earnings were up 7% compared to the prior year period. Adjusted PFOs in the region tell a similar story, up 1% on a reported basis, but up 14% on a constant currency basis. Overall, we continue to see strong momentum across our leading markets in Latin America. Since launching our new frontier strategy in December, we have been laser-focused executing on its key pillars, and we are already making meaningful progress. I'd like to expand by providing two related proof points. We were pleased to announce last night another significant risk transfer deal, particularly given the current economic landscape. We have entered into an agreement with Talcott Resolution Life Insurance Company to reinsure approximately $10 billion of U.S. retail variable annuity and rider reserves. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:07:48Consistent with our long-term objectives, the planned transaction will accelerate the runoff of MetLife's legacy business, positively reduce the company's enterprise risk, and substantially lower the company's retail variable annuity tail risk. For its part, MetLife Investment Management is on an aspirational path to $1 trillion in total assets under management. We have integrated the teams from Mesirow that we acquired in the quarter, and we are working at pace to close our roughly $100 billion AUM acquisition of PineBridge, a substantial down payment toward achieving our aspiration for MIM. Turning to capital and cash, in the Q1, we accelerated our capital management activity, returning around $1.8 billion to shareholders through common stock dividends and share repurchases. We paid common stock dividends of roughly $400 million and repurchased approximately $1.4 billion of our common shares. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:08:48The above-average buyback pace was a function of fewer repurchases in the Q3, as we were locked out of the market due to pending announcements. We expect subsequent quarters this year to be at a more measured pace. Following our new $3 billion repurchase authorization that was announced last night, our total board authorization is now about $3.4 billion. In recognition of our financial strength and flexibility, our board of directors increased our common dividend per share by 4.1% last week. Further adding to our financial flexibility, we were active in the debt capital markets in the Q1, issuing $1.25 billion of pre-capitalized trust securities, as well as $1 billion of subordinated debt. We ended the quarter with $4.5 billion of cash and liquid assets at our holding companies, which is above our target cash buffer of $3 billion-$4 billion. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:09:47Shifting to governance, we announced in February that Christian Mumenthaler will be joining our board of directors effective May 1. Prior to joining our board, Christian had a distinguished career at Swiss Re, culminating in an eight-year term as Group Chief Executive Officer. We are glad to have someone with his skill set and experience on our board as we drive our new frontier strategy forward. In closing, the underlying fundamentals of our portfolio of businesses remain strong, as evidenced by our solid first-quarter performance. While the operating environment may present challenges, we have emerged stronger from prior periods of turmoil. We've done this by following a playbook that focuses on the levers we control, like discretionary expenses, without sacrificing investments in strategic growth initiatives. When we set our new frontier goals, we were under no delusion that it would be easy. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:10:45One of the things that gives me confidence in our ability to succeed is the team here at MetLife. For the third year in a row, we are proud to have been named among the 100 best companies to work for by Fortune. Our team is energized and engaged. That leaves me convinced that our people are up to the task at hand, driven and motivated to deliver on MetLife's superior value proposition of responsible growth, attractive returns, and lower risk. Now I'll turn it over to John to cover our quarterly performance in more detail. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:11:18Thank you, Michel, and good morning, everyone. I'll refer to the 1Q25 supplemental slides, which covers highlights of our financial performance and an update on our liquidity and capital position. We have also included a few slides summarizing our variable annuity reinsurance transaction announced yesterday. Starting on page three, we provide a comparison of net income to adjusted earnings in the Q1. We had net derivative gains, primarily due to the strengthening of the Japanese yen and the Chilean peso versus the U.S. dollar, as well as unfavorable equity markets. That said, derivative gains were mostly offset by market risk benefit, or MRB, remeasurement losses due to lower interest rates and weaker equity markets in 1Q of 2025. In addition, net investment losses were largely the result of normal trading activity on the portfolio, and credit remained stable. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:12:12On page four, you can see the Q1 year-over-year comparison of adjusted earnings by segment and corporate and other. Adjusted earnings were $1.3 billion, up 1% and up 5% on a constant currency basis. While foreign currencies strengthened against the U.S. dollar in the current quarter, most major currencies weakened year-over-year. The positive year-over-year drivers were favorable life underwriting, higher variable investment income, and solid volume growth across most business segments. These were partially offset by lower recurring interest margins. Adjusted earnings per share were $1.96, up 7% and up 11% on a constant currency basis, aided by strong free cash flow and robust capital management over the prior four quarters. Moving to the businesses, group benefits adjusted earnings were $367 million, up 29% from the prior year quarter. The key driver was favorable life underwriting margins due to working-age mortality improvement compared to the prior year period. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:13:17The group life mortality ratio was 84.8% for the quarter, which is at the bottom end of our 2025 target range of 84-89%, and better than the winter flu season expectations. We continue to see post-COVID favorable mortality trends in the working-age population, consistent with CDC data. The non-medical health interest adjusted benefit ratio was 74.1%, slightly above our target range of 69-74%. Dental utilization is seasonally highest in the Q1, and we expect the ratio to be toward the middle of the target range in Q2. Turning to the top line, group benefits adjusted PFOs were up 2% year-over-year. While mortality improvement was favorable to group benefits bottom line, it masks top-line growth due to the impact on premiums for participating life contracts, which can fluctuate with claims experience, but has a limited impact to earnings for those contracts. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:14:19RIS adjusted earnings were $401 million, up 1% year-over-year. The primary drivers were higher variable investment income and favorable underwriting performance, partially offset by unfavorable recurring interest margins. RIS total investment spreads were 114 basis points, up 2 basis points sequentially due to higher VII. RIS continues to achieve strong business momentum. Adjusted PFOs were $2.4 billion, primarily driven by strong U.S. PRT sales in the quarter, which resulted in new inflows of $1.8 billion in Q1 of 2025. Excluding PRTs, RIS adjusted PFOs were up 14%, primarily driven by continued growth in U.K. longevity reinsurance, as demonstrated by one jumbo case sold in the quarter with a contract value of $1.7 billion. In addition, total liability exposure grew 8% versus the prior year period, most notably up 7% in general account liabilities. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:15:19Moving to Asia, adjusted earnings were $374 million, down 12% and down 9% on a constant currency basis, primarily due to less favorable underwriting margins and an adjustment of a deferred tax asset to reflect an increase in Japan's effective tax rate. This reduced Asia's adjusted earnings by approximately $15 million. General account assets under management at amortized cost was up 5% year-over-year on a constant currency basis, and sales were up 10% on a constant currency basis. While Japan sales were down 8%, as foreign currency products remain under pressure given ongoing yen volatility, other Asia sales were up 41% on a constant currency basis, most notably with the strong growth in Korea and China. Latin America adjusted earnings were $218 million, down 6%, but up 7% on a constant currency basis, primarily due to higher volume growth across the region and favorable tax items in the quarter. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:16:20This was partially offset by less favorable underwriting margins, as well as lower Chilean Encaje returns compared to a strong Q1 2024. Latin America's top line continues to perform well, although reported growth rates are being masked by currency headwinds, most notably due to the weakness in the Mexican peso year-over-year. Adjusted PFOs were up 1%, but up 14% on a constant currency basis, driven by strong growth and solid persistency across the region. EMEA adjusted earnings were $83 million, up 8% and up 14% on a constant currency basis, primarily driven by solid volume growth, partially offset by less favorable expense margins year-over-year. EMEA adjusted PFOs were up 8% and up 12% on a constant currency basis, reflecting strong sales across the region. MetLife Holdings adjusted earnings were $154 million, down 3% due to the runoff of the business. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:17:19We continue to look for opportunities to optimize this legacy block of business through risk transfers. As announced yesterday, we have entered into an agreement with Talcott Resolution Life Insurance Company to reinsure approximately $10 billion of U.S. retail variable annuity and rider statutory reserves. I will provide more details on that transaction shortly. Corporate and other adjusted loss was $248 million versus an adjusted loss of $241 million in the prior year. Lower net investment income was partially offset by lower expenses year-over-year. The company's effective tax rate on adjusted earnings in the quarter was 23.2%, modestly below our 2025 guidance range of 24%-26%. On page five, this chart reflects our pre-tax variable investment income for the four quarters of 2024 and Q1 of 2025, which was $327 million. This result was up sequentially, but below our implied quarterly run rate of $425 million. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:18:20Private equity returns were 1.6% in the quarter, and our real estate and other funds yielded an average return of roughly 2% in the quarter. As a reminder, PE and real estate and other funds are reported on a one-quarter lag and accounted for on a mark-to-market basis. Looking ahead to the Q2, we plan to disclose preliminary information regarding our expectations for the variable investment income in the early part of July. We are doing this for the Q2 given the current environment. On page six, we provide VII post-tax by segment and corporate and other for the four quarters of 2024 and Q1 of 2025. As reflected in the chart, RIS, Asia, and MetLife Holdings continue to hold the largest proportion of VII assets, given their long-dated liability profiles. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:19:10However, as a reminder, each business has its own discrete portfolio aligned and matched to its liabilities. Moving to expenses on page seven, this chart shows a comparison of direct expense ratio for the full year 2024 of 12.1%, Q1 of 2024 of 11.9%, and Q1 of 2025 of 12%. As we have highlighted previously, we believe our full-year direct expense ratio is the best way to measure performance due to fluctuations in quarterly results. That said, we believe our results in Q1 position us well to achieve our full-year direct expense ratio target of 12.1%, demonstrating our ongoing expense discipline and a sustained efficiency mindset. I will now discuss our cash and capital positions on page eight. Overall, MetLife is well capitalized with more than ample liquidity. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:20:02We opportunistically repurchased about $1.4 billion of our shares in the Q1 and have repurchased approximately $150 million of our shares in April. As we announced yesterday, our board has authorized a new $3 billion share repurchase program, reflecting the collective confidence in our new frontier strategy and the strength of our balance sheet, as well as management's commitment to return excess capital to our shareholders. Cash and liquid assets at the holding companies were $4.5 billion at March 31st, which is above our target cash buffer of $3 billion-$4 billion. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:20:37Beyond repurchases, cash at the holding companies reflects the net effects of subsidiary dividends, payment of our common stock dividend, and holding company expenses and other cash flows. In addition, we had a $1 billion subordinated debt issuance and redeemed $500 million of maturities in the quarter. Regarding our statutory capital, for our U.S. companies, our 2024 combined NAIC-RBC ratio was 388%, which is above our target ratio of 360%. For our U.S. companies, preliminary Q1 2025 statutory operating earnings were approximately $600 million, while net income was approximately $500 million. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:21:19We estimate that our total U.S. statutory adjusted capital was approximately $16.4 billion as of March 31, 2025, down 6% from year-end 2024, primarily due to dividends paid, partially offset by operating earnings. Finally, we expect the Japan solvency margin ratio to be approximately 725% as of March 31st, which will be based on statutory statements that will be filed in the next few weeks. Before I wrap up, let me comment on the risk transfer transaction that we announced yesterday, highlight shown on page nine. As we have discussed in the past, MetLife Holdings is a well-seasoned and well-diversified legacy block. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:22:02We continue to focus on our primary objectives to meet customer obligations, look for efficiencies in how we operate, and seek opportunities to further optimize the business. As we have noted, we have continued to take a third-party perspective, which helps us better manage the business internally, while also providing us optionality to appropriately accelerate the release of reserves and capital at the right value with the right strategic partner. This transaction with Talcott Resolution Life Insurance Company covers approximately $10 billion of current U.S. retail variable annuity and rider statutory reserves via funds withheld for the general account reserves and modified co-insurance for the separate account liabilities. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:22:44This risk transfer significantly lowers our exposure to retail variable annuity tail risk by reducing account values by approximately 40%, which in turn would positively reduce our enterprise risk associated with capital markets and its related volatility. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:23:01It is expected to deliver approximately $250 million in statutory value, consisting of a ceding commission and release of capital over time. Also, we expect the transaction will result in foregone adjusted earnings in MetLife Holdings of approximately $100 million annually. However, this will be offset by an annual hedge cost savings to the enterprise of roughly $45 million associated with this block of business. In addition, we have secured investment management mandates for MetLife Investment Management to manage roughly $6 billion of assets with Talcott, which supports our strategy to expand third-party fee income. Turn to page 10. You can see how our VA balances have declined over time, consistent with our strategy. At our 2024 investor day in December, we highlighted the left side of the chart showing the 26% drop in VA balances over the five-year period from 2019 through 2024. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:24:00As shown on the right side of the chart, we expect total VA balances will further decline to $24.5 billion as of March 31, 2025, reflecting the reinsurance transaction with Talcott. Overall, this represents a more than 50% decline in VA balances since 2019, a positive development for MetLife's risk profile. In addition to lower balances, it is also important to note the remaining product mix, which will include a significant portion of traditional group retirement variable annuities of roughly $9 billion. These include 403(b) and 457(b) annuities for retirement plans, which have limited guarantees. Let me conclude by saying that MetLife delivered a solid quarter, reflecting the strong underlying fundamentals across our portfolio businesses. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:24:49While the environment remains uncertain, we remain confident in delivering all-weather performance achieved through a position of strength with a strong balance sheet, recurring free cash flow generation, and a diversified set of market-leading businesses. As we embark on the new frontier, our strategic priorities allow us to accelerate responsible growth and generate attractive returns with lower risk. Our variable annuity reinsurance transaction with Talcott is another proof point of how MetLife has both the tools and commitment to generate long-term value for our stakeholders. With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator for your questions. Operator00:25:25Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you'd like to withdraw that question, press star one again. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Jimmy Bhullar with JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:25:45Hey, good morning. I had a question first on your spreads in the RIS business. If you look at the base yield, it was down, I think, around 11 basis points sequentially, around 13 basis points year-over-year, and spreads were down, I think, almost a similar amount. Not sure if that's mix or I know you had interest rate gaps that you might not be benefiting from, but what's driving that? Should we assume a further decline or stabilization in spreads from these levels? John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:26:22Yeah, hey, Jimmy, it's John. This answer probably requires a little bit of a holistic view of RIS. I'll give you the punchline upfront. We did have a decline sequentially in spreads, a function of rates and curve, offsetting that is growth. Let me give Ramy a chance to just talk about some, I'd say, growth-exceeding expectations, and then I'll come back and talk about spreads. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:26:47Hey, Jimmy. Thank you, John. Just to give you a sense of the growth momentum this quarter, you can see it on our balances year-over-year and sequentially, but we've got a number of notable wins in the quarter. We've got a very strong Q1 for PRTs with $1.8 billion of inflows. I would note, Jimmy, that all of these transactions were with sponsors who are Fortune 500 companies, which is really encouraging for us. We talked back in December about the very first U.K. funded Re deal that we did with a well-established U.K. insurer. We continue to see really good momentum for us in that market. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:27:33Also, in the U.K. market, we have a very robust pipeline in the U.K. longevity space, and that is coming off the back of the jumbo transaction that we executed in the quarter. Last but not least is stable value. We are a leader in that market, and this has been a very strong quarter for us, and we capitalized on some of the market disruption. You put all of these together, we are seeing really strong momentum from an earnings perspective. It is coming from investment spreads, but it is also coming from underwriting and fees over time. You see that in the 8% growth in the liability balances. For the full year, we expect to be at the upper end of that 3% to 5% balance growth that we guided you back in February. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:28:18This is a bit of a growth from a liability balances perspective. Maybe, John, I'll hand it back to you to talk about the spreads. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:28:25Yeah. I just thought that maybe just setting that up to start, because as you said, we are down a bit sequentially. We did have, as you mentioned, a seven-basis point decline in the core spread. When we were going through this back in February, we did expect a decline. We had the remaining roll-off of the interest rate caps. We expected that to be a five or six-point drag, but had expected to partially offset that with certain management actions in the quarter. However, we had some rates were different. The path of rates were different. We had lower rates than expected. We had a flatter curve than expected. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:29:05It became a bit difficult to reposition the portfolio and leverage some of our tools we had to offset that cap roll-off. The second thing we had in the quarter is we had more than expected paydowns in certain higher-yielding structured securities and loans. And when we were redeploying that, you were redeploying that at some lower spreads, and that was in the early part of the quarter. Those two things impacted our ability to offset some of the cap roll-off in the quarter. As Ramy said, if you take growth, it is probably exceeding expectations, caps are coming in a little lower. They are likely going to stabilize from here into the Q2. Net-net, you are effectively flat relative to earnings expectations. Hopefully that gives a little color as to how to think about the two. Jimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorgan00:30:10On your CRE portfolio, the main metrics are pretty similar with how they've been recently with loan-to-values and coverage ratios and stuff. It seems like things were starting to stabilize, but are you seeing any indications that with all this uncertainty that the recovery is going to stall, or what are you seeing in the commercial mortgage loan book? John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:30:32Yeah. It's a good question. As you said, real estate activity and office leasing, it really was continuing to show signs late in the year and even into Q1. I think our statistics show that office leasing activity in Q1 was the strongest we've seen since mid-2019. Investment activity has been up year-over-year as well, I think roughly 10%. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:30:58Generally, there's been some good momentum, but I would say that we'll have to just monitor kind of where we are in terms of some of the uncertainty that's out there. It might slow a little momentum. I think our feeling is the sector has found a trough in values, generally all else equal. We saw that in some of our LTVs and our debt service coverage ratio. I mentioned this maybe last quarter. This year and probably next year, you will resolve a lot of the things that we put up reserves for over the last several years. This will be kind of the resolution point, but that tends to happen at the trough. I think we still think we're there. Again, it's a bit all else equal, but we are feeling it. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:31:47If you go back to VII, we had a 2% roughly return on the real estate-related funds in the quarter. There are signs of improvement, but obviously, we'll have to just see how long the uncertainty persists. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:32:05Thank you. Operator00:32:05Your next question comes from the line of Tom Gallagher with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:32:15Good morning. First question is on the risk transfer deal. I guess on its face, the pricing maybe does not look so great in terms of, we'll call it the earnings multiple of what you're giving up. As we all know, this is kind of a pretty volatile higher tail risk. I think that should be considered. Can you talk a bit about the way you approached it valuation-wise? I guess you're giving up $50 million roughly of net income. How much cash flow do you end up losing? Then talk a little bit about how you viewed the tail risk and overall why this deal made economic sense for you. Thanks. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:33:08Sure. Tom, it's Ramy here. Let me just maybe give you a sense of how we got to the deal, and then we'll tackle some of the specific questions you had. You should definitely look at this in the context of the new frontier strategy that we talked about, in particular in the lower risk pillar of that strategy. We have taken a very disciplined approach here as we looked at potential transactions, especially in the context that we have a well-seasoned and well-managed book. For us, the goal here is to create value for our shareholders and all our other stakeholders. The reinsurance partner matters. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:33:53The structure really matters, but so does the price. We do look at that price from a number of lenses, including an economic lens when we think about the valuation of the book. We definitely have a view of that, which the price was very much in line with. We also look at it in terms of the impact, if you will, from a loss of GAAP earnings perspective versus the seeding commission. You should look at that also in the context of the cost of hedging that we're also now no longer incurring. Net, net, when you put that together, the value that we received was very much in line with our expectations. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:34:35It also removes a lot of the tail risk, which, as you know, the capital requirements for this business could be significantly higher should we see a downturn in the equity and the interest rate environment. All of these things were part of our consideration. Maybe I'll turn it to John to talk about the cash flow pieces of this. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:34:55Yeah. I think your question kind of summarized it, Tom. We would think of the cash flow as kind of the net of the two. That's generally, you could think of that as almost your change in tack. It's probably a good proxy for what we're, but I think to Ramy's point, it's what you're giving up in a stable environment, right? If the environment changes, your economics can change. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:35:25Equity markets over several years now have been on an upward trajectory. We've had higher interest rates. It was really an opportunistic way for us to kind of lock in the exit value here and also find a really good partner that we've been able to work with and get to know and feel good about the transaction. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:35:45Gotcha. Thanks. Just my follow-up, can you comment on what your underwriting experience was like in MetLife Holdings this quarter between, let's say, on the mortality side for life insurance and then also on long-term care? Thanks. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:36:02Hey, Tom. It was very much in line this quarter across both the LTC book as well as the retail life book. Nothing to note here in terms of underwriting across MLH. Tom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISI00:36:21Thanks, Ramy. Operator00:36:21Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Krueger with KBW. Please go ahead. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:36:30Hey, thanks. Good morning. First question was more high level. Just hoping to get some thoughts on the current environment. To what extent is it influencing changes in how you're managing the company? I guess, for example, would you anticipate any changes to the capital management strategy or the expense strategy given the uncertainty in this environment, or do you view things largely as business as usual for now? Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:37:00Yeah. Hey, good morning, Ryan. Thanks for the question. It's Michel. Clearly, we're not oblivious to the environment in which we operate. We sort of, I think it's fair to say that the possibility of a recession has risen. Having said that, I think our strategy, we like to call it all weather because, again, it doesn't assume a rosy picture. It does not assume a deep recession either. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:37:40I would say we're very much focused on executing on the pillars of the strategy. No change whatsoever when it comes to that. I think you can see from sort of our capital management action that, again, there's no change in terms of our approach. The $3 billion authorization, the 4.1% increase in income and dividends per share, again, sort of evidence in terms of the confidence that our board and we have in our financial standing. Given the environment, we tend to focus on those levers that we do control. Expenses is one of them. We want to continue to invest in strategic growth initiatives, but at the same time, there are discretionary aspects to expenses that I've asked the team to make sure that we're managing really, really well given the environment. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:38:49Beyond that, I would say I do not like to use the term BAU, but I would say we are very much sticking to our strategy and really pleased also with the underlying momentum that we are seeing across our businesses. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:39:07Thank you. In group benefits, PFO growth, I think excluding participating policies was towards the lower end of your target. Can you give a little bit more color on what you are seeing and also how you think that may progress as the year goes along? Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:39:26Thank you, Ryan, and good morning. If you think about our 2% reported number here, there are two drivers driving that kind of headline number. The first and the larger impact, I would say, is the favorable mortality we saw from those participating contracts, which John talked about. If you compare our life underwriting ratios year-over-year, we did see more than a 5-point drop in mortality this quarter from Q1 of 2024. Really great outcome from an underwriting perspective, especially in what is a seasonally high mortality quarter. As you know, Q1 does tend to be heavier. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:40:10Now, the impact that has on our participating contracts, you get lower death claims, which result in lower premiums. If you exclude that impact, the underlying PFO growth was about 4%. You're talking about a 200 basis points growth that is masked in our headline number. The other driver for the quarter does relate to our 1/1 rate actions that we took on our dental block. As we discussed a few times over the last six months, we did see a faster-than-expected acceleration in dental utilization. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:40:49As part of our underwriting discipline, we are very quick to take actions when we see the market and utilization numbers move. One-one is the most significant renewal date for our dental business. These actions did have an impact on our persistency in the dental block, but we remained disciplined in the market, and we did get the rate increases that we required, and we walked away from some business that did not meet our target margins. I would say, as you look forward, the dental rate actions are largely behind us at this point. In fact, we are seeing the earnings benefits starting to come through our dental earnings. As you think about the full year, both of these effects, the PAR impact as well as the dental impact, will moderate. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:41:40You should expect us, for a full-year reported basis, to be back in line with our guidance of 4-7%. You would have had another 100 basis points or so if you want to look at the underlying numbers, which exclude the PAR contracts. The last thing I would say is, based on our really strong results this quarter, we are also expecting no change to our full-year outlook on earnings for the group business. Ryan KruegerManaging Director at KBW00:42:08Great. Thank you. Operator00:42:13Your next question comes from the line of Suneet Kamath with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:42:19Thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to ask on the buyback. It was obviously very strong in the Q1. In April, it was pretty modest. I get your comment about kind of catching up to lack of activity in the Q3. But was there anything in the month of April that was sort of precluding you from maybe leaning in a little bit? I do not know if this VA deal was big enough where you were blacked out, but anything going on with the timing there? Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:42:46Yeah. Hi, Suneet. Michel here. No. I think we sort of April was sort of in line with we did what we set out to do, I would say. There was not any impact from any pending announcements or anything like that. As I mentioned, in the Q1, we leaned in given the fact that in the Q4, given some pending announcements there, we were precluded from potentially doing more than we did. Clearly, as I said, you can expect a more measured pace from here. Do not use the $1.4 billion in the quarter as a quarterly run rate. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:43:40We will continue to be opportunistic but deliberate as well when it comes to our activity here. What I would also reiterate is that nothing changes in how we think about capital. Our first priority is funding attractive organic growth. Next, we will look for strategic inorganic opportunities that are risk-adjusted hurdle rate clearing. I think PineBridge is a good example of that. If we have excess capital, we will return it deliberately over time as we have consistently done. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:44:20Okay. That is fine. That makes sense. I guess for Ramy, obviously, the PRT sales in the Q1 were pretty strong. In markets like this where interest rates are moving around and equity markets are swinging around and maybe the funding status of pension plans are swinging around as well, does that do anything to kind of activity in the market one way or the other? Just want to get a sense of how we should think about if this environment persists, what PRT could look like as we move through the year. Thanks. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:44:53Thank you, Suneet. I mean, excessive market volatility does have an impact. I would say it's more of a timing impact in terms of from a plan sponsor perspective. It can be a distraction in terms of ensuring how they're kind of thinking about their ALM and in the context of highly volatile markets. Having said that, if you think about the space that we play in, in the PRT space, the jumbo space, these are plan sponsors who've been on a de-risking journey for a number of years. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:45:31Therefore, as part of that de-risking journey, they are far more hedged, if you will, from a liability-driven perspective, both in terms of their interest rate exposure of the assets versus the liabilities and would be largely out of the kind of risky bucket of assets, equities, alternatives well before the point that they're ready to transact. That tells you the stability of the segment of PRT plan sponsor, of DB plan sponsors who would transact, well hedged, and you wouldn't expect to see much change in their funding ratios. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:46:13Therefore, we think there may be a temporary impact in terms of a distraction, if you will, but we do not see that having a real change in terms of the pipeline of the transactions that will come through. Suneet KamathResearch Analyst at Jefferies00:46:26That makes sense. Thanks. Operator00:46:27Your next question comes from the line of Wes Carmichael with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead. Wes CarmichaelSenior Analyst at Autonomous Research00:46:35Hey, good morning. First question on variable investment income. I think you have guided for a bit more normal return in 2025 and a pretty decent result in the quarter. Given the market volatility in April and some shelved IPOs in the wake of tariff announcements, are you expecting you can still come in at a more normal level for the year? If you have any insight into Q2, that would be helpful. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:47:01Hey, Wes. Good morning. It is John. Yeah. VII in this quarter, I mean, private equity, as we mentioned in our opening remarks, had a 1.6% return in the quarter. Just as a side note, we also saw over $600 million of distributions come through, so well in excess of actually the earnings we saw in the quarter. Again, I would say a function of our well-diversified seasoned portfolio in the private equity funds. We also had real estate funds on average come in, and real estate-related funds come in around 2%. Lower than kind of the implied run rate from the guidance we gave, but above the Q3, which was in line with the range we gave a quarter ago. To your point around the outlook, look, while these investments had tended to lag public equity markets, public equity markets did very well last year. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:47:59We saw, obviously, there's a number of factors why PE returns were lagged there. The current environment creates some challenge, and it's already difficult to project PE, probably more challenging to predict in the current environment. One of the things I mentioned in my opening remarks is that in light of this uncertainty, we plan to actually provide some preliminary information in early July on the VII, and we should have decent insight. Just again, in light of the kind of, I'd say, the unusual situation that we have, we'll look to do that as opposed to trying to forecast anything for now. Hopefully that helps. Wes CarmichaelSenior Analyst at Autonomous Research00:48:49Yeah, it does. Thanks, John. I guess my second question, I know I've asked a couple of times before, but as we're nearing implementation of the ESR in Japan, I think there were a couple of conversations with the industry and the regulator on some treatment of long duration and FX-denominated products. Are you still feeling pretty good about implementation and any thoughts on how that folds into your expected reinsurance strategy? John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:49:13Yeah. I think you've asked it a few times. We'll probably give you the same answer we've given a few other times, which is still feeling pretty good. It's an effective April 1. Probably three things to think about. One is operational readiness. We feel like we're in a good position. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:49:36There are things that are not perfect, but all in all, taking the collective weight of items, certainly one we can manage through, and we feel like we have made really good progress with the new framework. Other things to just remind you, we have always kind of priced under an economic framework in the past. Moving to this, it really does not change how we would operate. We always had a view of economic and kind of the statutory framework. That was always under our mentality, making sure good ALM always matched in terms of rates and currency in terms of our products. I think as we look at it now, there is certainly nothing that would indicate that it would change our dividend policy or factor as it relates to Japan. Wes CarmichaelSenior Analyst at Autonomous Research00:50:30Great. Thank you. Operator00:50:32Your next question comes from the line of Wilma Burdis with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management at Raymond James00:50:40Hey, good morning. We just worked on an analysis of portfolio yield, and what we found is that NIM provides a very attractive risk-adjusted return. Could you just talk about how you market NIM and what the organic growth pipeline looks like there? Thanks. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:50:58Hi, Wilma. Thanks for that. You can feel free to share that analysis. We'd like to see it too. Yeah, look, I think from a philosophy perspective, we certainly feel the same, and certainly as it relates to the clients that we look to serve. I think pipeline continues to be good. Coming out, obviously, there's a variety of different factors over the last few years, but there's been a steady growth in the client segments that we serve. We see that continuing. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:51:34I think to your point, I think the quality of our products and solutions that we offer, we believe, is differentiated and certainly provide what we believe is a great long-term value for our clients and our partners. As of now, I'd say things continue. There's a lot of activity out there. There's a lot of opportunities from a business development perspective, and we're very optimistic of our five-year strategy here. Hopefully that helps. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management at Raymond James00:52:10Great. Could you just talk about the type of assets that you're managing for Talcott? Thank you. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:52:20Yeah. We don't get into too much details, but I'll give you generally, there's $6 billion of assets that we were able to kind of obtain through an investment management mandate. Half of it is a function of some of the assets that are part of this transaction. Another half was actually separate. John McCallionCFO and Head of Investment Management at MetLife00:52:41As we obviously got to know and built a relationship with Talcott over time and also being able to share some of our capabilities, we were able to kind of work with them and provide an additional mandate on top of that. Mostly, I'll just say in some of the public fixed income area, but also some of those were overseas. Maybe that helps. Wilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management at Raymond James00:53:05Thank you. Operator00:53:08Your next question comes from the line of Joel Hurwitz with Dowling. Please go ahead. Joel HurwitzEquity Research at Dowling00:53:15Hey, good morning. Can you unpack the non-medical health loss experience in the quarter? I get the seasonality, but was surprised to see it up a bit year-over-year. I guess, how was dental experience this quarter versus last year period? Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:53:35Sure. It's Ramy here. Maybe let me start with the dental piece. The performance of the dental business in this quarter was right in line with our expectations. Recall that Q1 just tends to be a higher utilization quarter as the benefit resets. I will also just point you to what I just mentioned earlier with respect to the disciplined underwriting here in terms of the actions that we have been taking on 1/1. We are certainly pleased with the outcome of those actions. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:54:12That will set us up nicely in combination with the heavy Q1 utilization quarter behind us to see a gradual decline for the non-medical health ratio. Think of that for the full year being towards the midpoint of our range. The other parts of the ratio, disability, disability continues to perform very much in line with our expectations. STD and LTD incidents came in right on the mark. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:54:47We continue to see very strong recoveries in terms of the closures. I would say those are coming in slightly ahead of our expectations in the disability block. The small headwind we did see in disability relates to delays in the Social Security Administration approvals, which did have somewhat of an impact this quarter, albeit small. Net, net, I would say performing in line with our expectations and think of a full year number to be close to the midpoint of our range. Joel HurwitzEquity Research at Dowling00:55:24Got it. Very helpful. Switching gears, other Asia sales were very strong in the quarter. Can you just unpack what you saw there? I guess with the increased geopolitical tensions, what are you seeing in April as far? Lyndon OliverRegional President Asia at Metlife00:55:41Hey, Joel, it's Lyndon here. Yeah. Let me give you color on kind of the overall sales in Asia, and we'll cover what happens in Japan as well as what's going on in the rest of Asia. We've had a strong start to the year. Q1 sales were up 10% across the region, and we're on track to grow full year sales in line with our outlook of mid to high single digits. Let's start with Japan. We've had a good, strong start. We've got strong market share across all our distribution channels, including the banker channel. While we've seen some decline in the FX products in recent quarters, we are seeing momentum pick up. Lyndon OliverRegional President Asia at Metlife00:56:25If you look at the sequential growth in the Q1, it was strong. Now, looking at April, Michel mentioned we'd launched a new single premium life product in the bank channel. This has been very well received, and we've got other actions planned during the rest of the year. We expect this momentum to continue. Now, going to the rest of Asia, outstanding quarter sales were up 41% from the prior year. This is driven primarily by China, where we saw the addition of some new bank partners come on board, and that really helped with the sales there. Lyndon OliverRegional President Asia at Metlife00:57:03Also in Korea, very strong performance in our face-to-face channels, both in career agency as well as in the independent channels. I hope that helps. Joel HurwitzEquity Research at Dowling00:57:19Thank you. Operator00:57:22We have time for one more question, and that question comes from Nick Anito with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Nick AnitoCompany Representative at Wells Fargo00:57:28Hey, good morning. Thanks. Just wanted to touch on group life and the expectation for the balance of the year, given it's been coming in pretty strong. Is it something you have confidence in for a sustained period, or is it more touch and go for the outer quarters? Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:57:46Thanks. Thanks for the question. Just maybe to comment on this quarter first. We did see favorable incidents, and really, you can draw almost a straight line between our results and the CDC population data results for the working-age population. That favorability has been manifesting itself for the last kind of couple of quarters and working its way into our ratios. I would say at this point, I can't speculate, and I don't want to speculate if the favorability will continue for the rest of the year. It's too early to tell. What may be useful is just to come back to our outlook guidance ratios. Remember, we guided to be at the midpoint of the lower half of our range. Ramy TadrosRegional President and Head of Holdings at Metlife00:58:38Think of that as kind of an 85.5 number. That guidance always assumes a heavier Q1 mortality. With Q1 behind us and Q1 being favorable, just the simple arithmetic here, even if we continue not to see any further favorability, the simple arithmetic would have us towards the lower end of our range for the full year. Think about an 84 number for the full year compared to the guidance that we have given you before. Nick AnitoCompany Representative at Wells Fargo00:59:14Got it. Thanks. That's really helpful. I guess just on Chariot Re, can you guys give any update there? I think you previously said the expectation would be to do an initial backbook deal out of Met, but any update there would be helpful. Thanks. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife00:59:30Yeah. Hi, Nick. It's Michel. Really pleased with our progress, and we are excited about the growth opportunities that Chariot Re will allow us to capture. We are moving at pace with our co-sponsor, General Atlantic, to fully capitalize and operationalize the company. The intention here, I will just reiterate, is to create a long-term partnership between MetLife and Chariot Re. As we discussed at Investor Day, Chariot Re will enhance our capital flexibility and efficiency and allow us to generate liability growth beyond our balance sheet capacity if need be. Michel KhalafPresident and CEO at MetLife01:00:15Again, our plans are sort of on track, I would say, in terms of expecting to launch around mid-year. That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the conference back over to John Hall for closing remarks. John HallGlobal Head of Investor Relations at MetLife01:00:36Great. Thank you, operator, and thank you, everybody, for joining us. Have a great day. Operator01:00:41Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesRamy TadrosRegional President and Head of HoldingsMichel KhalafPresident and CEOJohn HallGlobal Head of Investor RelationsJohn McCallionCFO and Head of Investment ManagementAnalystsRyan KruegerManaging Director at KBWJoel HurwitzEquity Research at DowlingTom GallagherSenior Managing Director at Evercore ISINick AnitoCompany Representative at Wells FargoWes CarmichaelSenior Analyst at Autonomous ResearchLyndon OliverRegional President Asia at MetlifeSuneet KamathResearch Analyst at JefferiesJimmy BhullarEquity Research Analyst at JPMorganWilma BurdisDirector of Asset Management at Raymond JamesPowered by