NASDAQ:KOPN Kopin Q1 2025 Earnings Results & Report $3.72 +0.40 (+12.05%) Closing price 11/11/2026 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$3.65 -0.07 (-1.99%) As of 06:05 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. Kopin missed analyst earnings expectations but beat on revenue in its Q1 2025 results, released May 13, 2025. The company reported EPS of -$0.02 versus the -$0.01 consensus estimate, while revenue of $14.65 million topped the $12.41 million estimate by $2.24 million. Research:ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Earnings Announcement Details QuarterQ1 2025Report DateMay 13, 2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call5:00 PM ET Kopin EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.02Consensus EPS -$0.01Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPS-$0.06EPS Beat Rate3 of last 8 quartersKopin Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$14.65 millionExpected Revenue$12.41 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$2.24 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Kopin Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 13, 2025ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Strong defense momentum: Kopin reported approximately $28 million in first-quarter contract wins and a book-to-bill ratio above 2.8-to-1, while its qualified opportunity pipeline has grown to several hundred million dollars. Positive Sentiment: Management reiterated its goal of reaching at least $75 million in revenue by 2027, compared with expected 2025 revenue of $52 million to $55 million, and expects a stronger second half of 2025 for orders, revenue, and gross margins. Positive Sentiment: Manufacturing improvements are beginning to show results: product revenue costs fell to 83% of product sales from 95% a year earlier, and new AI-assisted inspection automation expected online in June could deliver several points of gross-margin improvement or reduce operating expenses. Negative Sentiment: Kopin lowered its outlook amid tariff and geopolitical uncertainty and remains unprofitable, posting a $3.1 million first-quarter net loss and using $3.4 million in operating cash, although management said order flow improved in the second quarter. Neutral Sentiment: The company is investing in longer-term opportunities including Neural Display, color micro-LEDs, medical headset production, and international defense markets, but many related research awards are modest in near-term revenue and depend on future program conversions. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallKopin Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Kopin Corporation's first quarter 2025 earnings call. Please note that this event is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Brian Prenoveau, Investor Relations for Kopin. Please go ahead. Brian PrenoveauHead of Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:00:18Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we get started, I'd like to remind everyone that during today's call, taking place on May 13, 2025, we will be making forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on the company's current expectations, projections, beliefs, and estimates, and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements. Potential risks include, but are not limited to, demand for our products, operating results of our subsidiaries, market conditions, and other factors discussed in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Although the company believes that the assumptions underlying these statements are reasonable, any of them can be proven inaccurate, and there can be no assurances that their results will be realized. Brian PrenoveauHead of Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:01:14The company undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements made during today's call. In addition, references may be made to certain non-generally accepted accounting principles or non-GAAP measures, for which you should refer to the appropriate disclaimers and reconciliation in the company's SEC filings and press releases. Kopin Corporation's Chief Executive Officer, Michael Murray, will begin today's call with an overview of Kopin's progress within the company's strategy. Following Michael, Kopin's CFO, Rich Sneider, will review the company's first quarter 2025 financial results. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michael Murray. Michael. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:01:53Thank you, Brian. Good evening to everyone, and welcome to our first quarter earnings call. I'm actually visiting customers and speaking at SID tomorrow in California, which is why our call is this evening instead of usually in the mornings. For our first call of the calendar year 2025, I'd like to take a few moments to discuss Kopin's big-picture opportunities and how we see our business and landscape evolving over the coming few years. As a leading provider of the world's most advanced micro-displays and application-specific optical solutions for high-performance and mission-critical virtual reality and augmented reality applications, we have a unique and truly significant opportunity in front of us. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:02:37While our products and technology can be applied to a variety of industries across the landscape, we've chosen to focus on a few which we think will have the greatest growth opportunities, align to our core competencies, and provide the clearest path to profitability. The industry we initially narrowed our focus on is defense. We believe we are the only manufacturer in the world offering four different types of micro-displays, which put us in a unique position to capitalize on macro trends across the globe and grow our business. Furthermore, Kopin has invented a fifth type of micro-display called Neural Display, which integrates human responses as feedback loops into the dynamic control of the display itself to optimize brightness, contrast, increase comfort, while reducing size, weight, and power consumption of currently fielded defense and consumer AR systems. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:03:32Due to the increased global tensions, defense budgets across the globe are increasing at significant rates. In the U.S., the administration has mentioned spending $1 trillion on defense next year alone. Europe has also pledged to spend over $1 trillion as well, while Japan and Korea are committing to increase defense spending as well. In short, we are seeing increased budget rates at all nations across the globe, while Kopin has experienced a higher rate and exponential increase in the volume of quote requests, bids, and research and development projects, driving our pipeline of qualified and capturable opportunities into several hundreds of millions of dollars. We believe this shift provides us with increased global opportunities and a diversified pipeline for growth. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:04:23During my recent visits to Korea, Taiwan, and Europe, it is evident that a significant technology refresh with regards to soldier vision systems, thermal weapon sights, and helmet-mounted displays is a priority for these nations specifically as well, since their ability to view tactical information, control drone movements, all while keeping their eyes on the battlefield to see their adversaries before they are seen, is critically important to a positive outcome. This capability is highly sought after, and it is called our DAVAS and Dark Wave technology. Now, today, defense departments and contractors are looking for more than simple commodity products to plug into systems. They want application-specific solutions tailored to individual needs and products. This is where Kopin has a distinct advantage. Customers want ergonomically designed systems that utilize custom optics and require less weight and less battery power. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:05:22Whether the application is a thermal weapon sight, a helmet-mounted display, or a high refresh rate display in armored vehicles, the goal is the same: to increase the effectiveness and safety of the soldier using it. We take that responsibility seriously, and that is one of the reasons we have focused on partnering with Tier 1 defense contractors. That is why we are the sole source provider of micro-displays for several programs of record within the U.S. Department of Defense as a key provider of technologies built right here in the United States and/or with our allies. With these advantages in mind, we aim to get Kopin to at least $75 million of revenue in 2027. This is an ambitious goal based on 2024 revenue of $50 million and expected 2025 revenue of between $52 million and $55 million. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:06:15We believe we can achieve this milestone with our existing products, our new technologies we are developing, production investments to increase throughput, and expected project awards we have high confidence in winning. Furthermore, we are working on several strategic developments with market-leading and domestic firms in each of the highest growth markets, which we believe will greatly accelerate our growth and market penetration. We're also focusing much of our resource on the largest of opportunities in each region, with the largest clearly being the IVAS or SBMC program here in the United States and others like it. Within the United States, this is a $22 billion Army program, and it's all-encompassing from a standpoint of software, hardware, and networking elements. As warfare evolves and increases in complexity, having tools that deliver the right information quickly and intuitively becomes much more urgent. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:07:12This is not only evident in the United States, but other countries are also investing in similar technologies which Kopin can support. Beyond providing a technologically superior product, we need to be consistently a higher quality supplier. We have made tremendous strides in this area and department, and our customers recognize this tremendous improvement we've made. Our initial actions to improve, streamline, and improve overall manufacturing were all part of our One Kopin strategy, which we reorganized our Kopin Virginia and Kopin Europe teams to unify our focus, our strengths, and capabilities while reducing redundancies. We also formed new business development, program management, and quality teams. With our FabLite strategy, we brought online new OLED and micro-LED vendors to strengthen our source of supply for U.S. DOD applications while keeping our consumer supply strategy intact. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:08:10This manufacturing strategy was positively validated due to the recent geopolitical trade and tariff issues we've seen in the market as of late. In 2025, to meet our growth and profitability goals, our top strategic initiative is the implementation of AI-assisted factory and process automation. Improving manufacturing efficiencies, increasing automation, and reducing redundancies are critical areas of improvement for the company. We are making these improvements to increase our manufacturing capacity without significant headcount increases or decreases. Again, considering the recent tariff news and geopolitical tensions, it is important to note that our top three programs are built right here in the United States, and much of our active opportunity line will also be built here as well, whilst our NATO and European demands can be supported through our Scottish facility. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:09:08This does not mean we are immune to tariffs, but we believe we remain better off than many companies and only have experienced minor tariff issues thus far. In the first quarter of 2025, we announced approximately $28 million of new contract wins and awards, and our book-to-bill at the end of the first quarter was better than 2.8-1. Given the long-term nature of many of our existing programs and the contract wins so far in 2025, our current pipeline is very strong, and it continues to grow with the recent addition of new customers, new research and development projects, and a broader application base, which is much, much healthier. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:09:51As a reminder, several of our programs have congressional budget demands through 2030, and several of the program contracts we supply into are in definite demand, in definite quantity, or IDIQ, which allows for even greater revenue potential than we currently have on our order book. Now, I am very excited, if not more excited, about our future at Kopin today than when I first became CEO a few years ago. We have great people that are doing great work at the company. With the improvements in our operations and manufacturing, we are much, much better positioned today than we were even just last year to win new contracts with new customers that demand the highest quality, bespoke capabilities, and long-term partnerships. We have clearly moved from merely being a supplier of micro-displays to a trusted partner to several of the world's leading defense firms. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:10:47We are also now an integral semiconductor and optics technology partner on several defense programs that demand specific solutions worth hundreds of millions of dollars and are approaching even billions of dollars in total spend. Although unfortunate, increasing geopolitical tensions mean the world is not likely to become a safer place in the near term, but our products and our technologies can help make our soldiers and the soldiers of our allies safer, meaning more men and women in uniform will make it home. Furthermore, our CR3 medical headset is also entering into full production, which will help improve patient outcomes in the most difficult of surgical practices as well. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:11:34We also continue to engage with select consumer companies who are interested in helping Kopin manufacture and mature specific areas of our technology, which focus upon higher brightness and refresh rate displays and architectures than that of the current technologies in use today. Furthermore, our technology that advances our human-in-the-loop or Neural Display platform, which we collectively believe will increase the adoption rates of current AR glasses due to its AI-enabled backplane architecture, which can also support OLED and micro-LED depositions, is gaining tremendous traction. Now, to summarize, the global market demand for Kopin and our current solutions has increased by hundreds of billions of dollars, and we are developing strategies to access and capture more of that market more quickly through partnerships, scheming agreements, and other more strategic activities. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:12:33Our FabLite strategy brings continuity and flexibility of supply, advantageous cost structures, and the ability to leverage technology-leading offerings to help us solve our customers' most difficult technology challenges. Our focus on AI-assisted automation in our factory, process, and business will enable Kopin to grow at a much quicker pace while keeping our OpEx at a more stable and less linear rate to increase production output, which will fuel greater profit margins on current and future products and services. Our One Kopin initiative has reduced costs and redundancies, improved alignment, and focuses our energies on growth markets. Our team is truly passionate about what we do, and we've been able to retain and attract the best talent in the world to help us achieve our goals. I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, Rich Sneider, to review our results from the first quarter in further detail. Over to you, Rich. Operator00:13:34Rich, you might be on mute. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:13:50Thank you, Operator. Thank you, Michael. Turning to our financial results for the first quarter, total revenues for Q1 2025 were $10.5 million versus $10 million for the prior year, a 5% increase year over year. Product revenues for the first quarter ended March 29, 2025, were $9.2 million, compared to $9 million for the first quarter ended March 30, 2024, essentially flat. In the first quarter of 2025, funded research and development revenues increased 37% to $1.2 million from $900,000 in Q1 of 2024, primarily because of an increase in funding for U.S. defense programs. Cost of product revenues for the first quarter of 2025 was $7.6 million, or 83% of net product revenues, compared with $8.5 million, or 95% of net product revenues for the first quarter of 2024. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:14:55The decrease in cost of product revenues was primarily the result of improving manufacturing quality and less waste. R&D expenses for the first quarter of 2025 were $2.1 million, an increase of $15,000 from a year ago. Customer-funded R&D decreased approximately $200,000, essentially offsetting the increase in internally funded R&D. SG&A expenses were $4.7 million in the first quarter of 2025, compared to $7.2 million in the first quarter of 2024. The decrease was primarily due to a decrease in legal fees of $2.9 million. Turning to the bottom line, the net loss for the first quarter of 2025 was $3.1 million, or $0.02 per share, compared with net loss attributable to Kopin of $32.5 million, or $0.27 per share for the first quarter of 2024. Keep in mind the first quarter of 2024 included the $24.8 million reserve for litigation damages. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:15:53Net cash used in operating activities was $3.4 million in the first quarter, of which approximately half was the result of changes in working capital items. Listeners should review our Form 10Q for the quarter ended March 29, 2025, for additional disclosures. With that, I'll turn it back over to Michael. Thanks, Rich. I would like to take a moment to thank our employees at Kopin for their hard work and dedication. The improvements the team has made in a relatively short period of time are truly commendable. We believe the growth trajectory is just beginning. As we continue to mature our advanced technologies like our color micro-LED portfolio and our neural display architecture, coupled with our existing products, technologies, and customers, we believe we are in a great position to support the defense, medical, industrial, and consumer markets globally. I believe the best years are yet to come. With that, Operator, we want to open up the call to questions. Operator00:16:49Absolutely. At this time, if you'd like to ask a question, please press the star and one keys on your telephone keypad. Keep in mind you may remove yourself from the question queue at any time by pressing star and two. Again, it's star and one if you'd like to ask a question today. We'll take our first question from Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Glenn MattsonManaging Director and Senior Technology Analyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:17:16Hi. Yeah, thanks for taking the questions. Michael, you talked a bit more than usual on the international opportunity. Maybe can you give a little more color and detail about just which regions, or if you can go as deep as the countries, offer the most near-term potential, and how long what's your time frame thoughts on how to turn some of that pipeline into revenue? Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:17:43Sure. Thanks, Glenn. Currently, we see Europe as a critical area for our growth. As you know, we have a location in Scotland that we've just converted into the One Kopin strategy, where they're able to support defense applications and other applications throughout Europe and the U.K. The amount of spending and opportunity that we're seeing in the U.K. and Europe global on mass is quite large. We are seeing near-term opportunities to convert to research and development contracts in Europe, as well as some early-stage production opportunities in Europe as well. Europe is, I'd say, our primary focus. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:18:27Secondly, we see tremendous opportunities in Korea. I was just there meeting with several leading companies in defense in Korea and one of our partners there, and we see fairly significant opportunities in Korea as well. Japan, I would say, would be number three for us. These are near-term opportunities where we can secure research and development contracts, as well as some near-term production contracts. We are looking forward to partnering with several firms in more of a flywheel strategy, where we can partner with companies that are in local situ, meaning they have facilities there that we can work with them. We may even consider doing some joint venture work to capture some of this opportunity while it is there for us. We are very engaged in it. We see the opportunity, and we are working very hard to capture it. Glenn MattsonManaging Director and Senior Technology Analyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:19:19Very helpful. You mentioned some of the automation activities that you're putting into place. Gross margin on the product looks volatile a little bit. I imagine you're trying to kind of get that to a nice level and get it more consistent. Can you just give us a sense of when that stuff can kick in and maybe what level of gross margin we could expect when it all is in place? Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:19:45Yeah, great question. Where we see the biggest value and benefit for our new automation is actually on inbound and outbound inspection. We've invested in new systems in both of those areas that are going to help our quality control be done more effectively, quickly, and through greater rates. We're looking forward to that coming online. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:20:11The last briefing I had, Glenn, that new camera-based system will be online in June, and we expect to see several significant points of gross margin, or at least OpEx reduction, through using that system. We're going to retask the people into more valuable roles within the company. As you can imagine, inspecting lenses and polarizers and glass is very difficult for the human eye. Adding this level of automation is going to be much welcome news for us. We see several points of gross margin that that will improve. Glenn MattsonManaging Director and Senior Technology Analyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:20:49Great. Thanks. That's it from me. I'll jump back in the queue. Glenn MattsonManaging Director and Senior Technology Analyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:20:54Thanks, Glenn. Operator00:20:56We'll take our next question from George Gianarikas with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Your line is open. George GianarikasCG's Sustainability Senior Analyst at Canaccord Genuity00:21:04Hi all. Thank you for taking my question. A little bit of housekeeping first.I just want to make sure I understood the guidance. In your last report, you talked about revenue in the $52 million-$55 million range, and you just talked about reiterating double-digit growth. I just want to make sure that we had that revenue number appropriately calibrated that you're thinking of for this year. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:21:28Yeah. We ended up taking our guidance down somewhat based on the geopolitical trade issues that we were seeing. We still expect to see double-digit growth in our view. We are hopeful to increase our guidance over the course of the year, George, once a lot of this tariff uncertainty becomes more known and reasonable. We believe there is more growth in 2025, and we are being conservative in the first half. Yeah. Hi, this is Rich Sneider. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:22:14Just to echo Michael's comments, as we've indicated, we have significant book of business, and we have the ability to execute on that book of business. Our customers will take product as we can make it, but we want to do it in an expeditious manner and a cost-effective manner. Knowing when the automation is kicking in and where these tariffs are going to land would be somewhat, we think, judicious in this year's revenues. George GianarikasCG's Sustainability Senior Analyst at Canaccord Genuity00:22:45Okay. Thanks. Maybe second question regarding Neuralink. Can you just talk about any progress in bringing that to commercialization? Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:22:56Thank you. Sure. Neural Display. We have announced a very— I was thinking of you on the question. Sorry. Yeah. No, I understand. I understand. It's interesting. Neural Display, when you think about it, is a Neuralink. It has a human-in-the-loop capability. We're not talking to those folks, to be clear, but we do think that's the way the market is going, specific in consumer, George, where you don't necessarily want to have hands on your technology. Your technology should be able to adapt to you. That's what we think the biggest AR/VR companies in the world are trying to accomplish, including the folks over at Neuralink. Our goal is to have a demonstrable Neural Display in a headset very shortly, and we expect to have some press and potentially a roadshow with it very soon here, ideally in the next quarter. George GianarikasCG's Sustainability Senior Analyst at Canaccord Genuity00:23:52Great. Thank you so much. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:23:56Thanks for the question. Operator00:23:58We'll take our next question from Jaeson Schmidt with Lake Street. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Jaeson SchmidtDirector of Research at Lake Street Capital Markets00:24:06Yeah. Thanks for taking my questions. Just given all the dynamics and the macro, just curious what you're seeing from a quoting activity and order pattern standpoint so far here in Q2. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:24:18Yeah. Great question. We were struggling in the first part of the quarter to get orders placed. That has since freed up. We're seeing good order flow now, Jason. It definitely caused us some concern in Q1. We weren't seeing the order flow and the timeliness of orders that we would have liked. Now that has definitely improved. We're seeing the orders that we thought we were going to see. We're tracking several new orders that will be released by the government very shortly here that are in the $10 million-$20 million type of range. We're definitely seeing it free up in Q2, and we hope that that's going to continue through Q3 once the budgets are ratified and expelled. We're hopeful that the second half will be even better than the first half. Jaeson SchmidtDirector of Research at Lake Street Capital Markets00:25:13Okay. No, that's really good to hear. You're obviously seeing some nice traction with some new R&D awards. Can you just discuss what's driving this momentum and how we should think about these eventually translating into contract awards? Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:25:28Great question. Many people, investors, have asked me why we don't put the amount of the contract in our press releases when it comes to research and development, specifically with the Army, Navy, or the government at large. The reason is they've asked us not to. Most of the R&D contracts that we get are in the several million to million dollar range. I can give ranges. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:25:59If we mention the Army or Navy or the branch of the military by name, just be confident in that we've had to check and validate those releases with those government agencies before we announce them. We do not put the amount in the research and development awards. Even though the amount of the award might be modest, maybe $1 million to $2.5 million, it's the opportunity that unlocks, Jason. As an example, our Off the Visor award that we recently announced, it's a decent award, a few million dollars. However, what's important is what it could unlock. If this technology works and our design works, this is a design that is for the rest of the soldiers that are out there, an optical design that can come off of a helmet of any soldier that's using it. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:26:54Very strategic and significant opportunities can be unlocked by these research and development awards. Even though the revenue might be modest, the opportunity that they create is very significant, specific when we start talking about the Off the Visor technology or a new micro-display investment like we just announced some research that we're going to do on a color micro-LED for soldier-based systems. That can unlock a tremendous opportunity pipeline in the future. What we're seeing right now in the industry is telling us that the applications that are out there, whether it be consumer, medical, or military, require a much brighter display for the same amount of power. That just spells micro-LED to me, but it's got to be a color micro-LED. I'm going to be talking about it tomorrow at SID here in California, and we're investing heavily and focused in that area. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:27:45But those small research and development contracts, that really starts that funding vehicle and drives the technology forward. They are very important for our future. Jaeson SchmidtDirector of Research at Lake Street Capital Markets00:27:54Gotcha. I appreciate the color. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks, guys. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:27:59Thanks, Jaeson. Operator00:28:01There are no further questions on the line at this time. I'll turn the program back to management for any additional or closing remarks. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:28:10Wonderful. Thank you, Operator. Again, we're tremendously excited about our future. I think 2025 is going to be another growth year for Kopin. We do expect that we're going to have a stronger second half and first half, not only for orders but also for revenue and gross margins. We look forward to updating you as we progress this year. Thank you all for joining, and thank you to the team at Kopin for delivering another great quarter. Thanks very much. Operator00:28:42This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesBrian PrenoveauHead of Investor RelationsMichael MurrayCEORichard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor RelationsAnalystsGlenn MattsonManaging Director and Senior Technology Analyst at Ladenburg ThalmannGeorge GianarikasCG's Sustainability Senior Analyst at Canaccord GenuityJaeson SchmidtDirector of Research at Lake Street Capital MarketsPowered by Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Kopin Q1 2025 Earnings FAQ Did Kopin beat earnings estimates for Q1 2025? Kopin (NASDAQ:KOPN) reported earnings of -$0.02 per share for Q1 2025, missing the consensus estimate of -$0.01. The report was announced on Tuesday, May 13, 2025. What was Kopin's revenue for Q1 2025? Kopin reported revenue of $14.65 million for Q1 2025, against a consensus estimate of $12.41 million. Where can I read Kopin's Q1 2025 earnings call transcript? 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Kopin Corporation's first quarter 2025 earnings call. Please note that this event is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Brian Prenoveau, Investor Relations for Kopin. Please go ahead. Brian PrenoveauHead of Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:00:18Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we get started, I'd like to remind everyone that during today's call, taking place on May 13, 2025, we will be making forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on the company's current expectations, projections, beliefs, and estimates, and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements. Potential risks include, but are not limited to, demand for our products, operating results of our subsidiaries, market conditions, and other factors discussed in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Although the company believes that the assumptions underlying these statements are reasonable, any of them can be proven inaccurate, and there can be no assurances that their results will be realized. Brian PrenoveauHead of Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:01:14The company undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements made during today's call. In addition, references may be made to certain non-generally accepted accounting principles or non-GAAP measures, for which you should refer to the appropriate disclaimers and reconciliation in the company's SEC filings and press releases. Kopin Corporation's Chief Executive Officer, Michael Murray, will begin today's call with an overview of Kopin's progress within the company's strategy. Following Michael, Kopin's CFO, Rich Sneider, will review the company's first quarter 2025 financial results. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michael Murray. Michael. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:01:53Thank you, Brian. Good evening to everyone, and welcome to our first quarter earnings call. I'm actually visiting customers and speaking at SID tomorrow in California, which is why our call is this evening instead of usually in the mornings. For our first call of the calendar year 2025, I'd like to take a few moments to discuss Kopin's big-picture opportunities and how we see our business and landscape evolving over the coming few years. As a leading provider of the world's most advanced micro-displays and application-specific optical solutions for high-performance and mission-critical virtual reality and augmented reality applications, we have a unique and truly significant opportunity in front of us. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:02:37While our products and technology can be applied to a variety of industries across the landscape, we've chosen to focus on a few which we think will have the greatest growth opportunities, align to our core competencies, and provide the clearest path to profitability. The industry we initially narrowed our focus on is defense. We believe we are the only manufacturer in the world offering four different types of micro-displays, which put us in a unique position to capitalize on macro trends across the globe and grow our business. Furthermore, Kopin has invented a fifth type of micro-display called Neural Display, which integrates human responses as feedback loops into the dynamic control of the display itself to optimize brightness, contrast, increase comfort, while reducing size, weight, and power consumption of currently fielded defense and consumer AR systems. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:03:32Due to the increased global tensions, defense budgets across the globe are increasing at significant rates. In the U.S., the administration has mentioned spending $1 trillion on defense next year alone. Europe has also pledged to spend over $1 trillion as well, while Japan and Korea are committing to increase defense spending as well. In short, we are seeing increased budget rates at all nations across the globe, while Kopin has experienced a higher rate and exponential increase in the volume of quote requests, bids, and research and development projects, driving our pipeline of qualified and capturable opportunities into several hundreds of millions of dollars. We believe this shift provides us with increased global opportunities and a diversified pipeline for growth. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:04:23During my recent visits to Korea, Taiwan, and Europe, it is evident that a significant technology refresh with regards to soldier vision systems, thermal weapon sights, and helmet-mounted displays is a priority for these nations specifically as well, since their ability to view tactical information, control drone movements, all while keeping their eyes on the battlefield to see their adversaries before they are seen, is critically important to a positive outcome. This capability is highly sought after, and it is called our DAVAS and Dark Wave technology. Now, today, defense departments and contractors are looking for more than simple commodity products to plug into systems. They want application-specific solutions tailored to individual needs and products. This is where Kopin has a distinct advantage. Customers want ergonomically designed systems that utilize custom optics and require less weight and less battery power. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:05:22Whether the application is a thermal weapon sight, a helmet-mounted display, or a high refresh rate display in armored vehicles, the goal is the same: to increase the effectiveness and safety of the soldier using it. We take that responsibility seriously, and that is one of the reasons we have focused on partnering with Tier 1 defense contractors. That is why we are the sole source provider of micro-displays for several programs of record within the U.S. Department of Defense as a key provider of technologies built right here in the United States and/or with our allies. With these advantages in mind, we aim to get Kopin to at least $75 million of revenue in 2027. This is an ambitious goal based on 2024 revenue of $50 million and expected 2025 revenue of between $52 million and $55 million. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:06:15We believe we can achieve this milestone with our existing products, our new technologies we are developing, production investments to increase throughput, and expected project awards we have high confidence in winning. Furthermore, we are working on several strategic developments with market-leading and domestic firms in each of the highest growth markets, which we believe will greatly accelerate our growth and market penetration. We're also focusing much of our resource on the largest of opportunities in each region, with the largest clearly being the IVAS or SBMC program here in the United States and others like it. Within the United States, this is a $22 billion Army program, and it's all-encompassing from a standpoint of software, hardware, and networking elements. As warfare evolves and increases in complexity, having tools that deliver the right information quickly and intuitively becomes much more urgent. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:07:12This is not only evident in the United States, but other countries are also investing in similar technologies which Kopin can support. Beyond providing a technologically superior product, we need to be consistently a higher quality supplier. We have made tremendous strides in this area and department, and our customers recognize this tremendous improvement we've made. Our initial actions to improve, streamline, and improve overall manufacturing were all part of our One Kopin strategy, which we reorganized our Kopin Virginia and Kopin Europe teams to unify our focus, our strengths, and capabilities while reducing redundancies. We also formed new business development, program management, and quality teams. With our FabLite strategy, we brought online new OLED and micro-LED vendors to strengthen our source of supply for U.S. DOD applications while keeping our consumer supply strategy intact. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:08:10This manufacturing strategy was positively validated due to the recent geopolitical trade and tariff issues we've seen in the market as of late. In 2025, to meet our growth and profitability goals, our top strategic initiative is the implementation of AI-assisted factory and process automation. Improving manufacturing efficiencies, increasing automation, and reducing redundancies are critical areas of improvement for the company. We are making these improvements to increase our manufacturing capacity without significant headcount increases or decreases. Again, considering the recent tariff news and geopolitical tensions, it is important to note that our top three programs are built right here in the United States, and much of our active opportunity line will also be built here as well, whilst our NATO and European demands can be supported through our Scottish facility. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:09:08This does not mean we are immune to tariffs, but we believe we remain better off than many companies and only have experienced minor tariff issues thus far. In the first quarter of 2025, we announced approximately $28 million of new contract wins and awards, and our book-to-bill at the end of the first quarter was better than 2.8-1. Given the long-term nature of many of our existing programs and the contract wins so far in 2025, our current pipeline is very strong, and it continues to grow with the recent addition of new customers, new research and development projects, and a broader application base, which is much, much healthier. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:09:51As a reminder, several of our programs have congressional budget demands through 2030, and several of the program contracts we supply into are in definite demand, in definite quantity, or IDIQ, which allows for even greater revenue potential than we currently have on our order book. Now, I am very excited, if not more excited, about our future at Kopin today than when I first became CEO a few years ago. We have great people that are doing great work at the company. With the improvements in our operations and manufacturing, we are much, much better positioned today than we were even just last year to win new contracts with new customers that demand the highest quality, bespoke capabilities, and long-term partnerships. We have clearly moved from merely being a supplier of micro-displays to a trusted partner to several of the world's leading defense firms. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:10:47We are also now an integral semiconductor and optics technology partner on several defense programs that demand specific solutions worth hundreds of millions of dollars and are approaching even billions of dollars in total spend. Although unfortunate, increasing geopolitical tensions mean the world is not likely to become a safer place in the near term, but our products and our technologies can help make our soldiers and the soldiers of our allies safer, meaning more men and women in uniform will make it home. Furthermore, our CR3 medical headset is also entering into full production, which will help improve patient outcomes in the most difficult of surgical practices as well. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:11:34We also continue to engage with select consumer companies who are interested in helping Kopin manufacture and mature specific areas of our technology, which focus upon higher brightness and refresh rate displays and architectures than that of the current technologies in use today. Furthermore, our technology that advances our human-in-the-loop or Neural Display platform, which we collectively believe will increase the adoption rates of current AR glasses due to its AI-enabled backplane architecture, which can also support OLED and micro-LED depositions, is gaining tremendous traction. Now, to summarize, the global market demand for Kopin and our current solutions has increased by hundreds of billions of dollars, and we are developing strategies to access and capture more of that market more quickly through partnerships, scheming agreements, and other more strategic activities. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:12:33Our FabLite strategy brings continuity and flexibility of supply, advantageous cost structures, and the ability to leverage technology-leading offerings to help us solve our customers' most difficult technology challenges. Our focus on AI-assisted automation in our factory, process, and business will enable Kopin to grow at a much quicker pace while keeping our OpEx at a more stable and less linear rate to increase production output, which will fuel greater profit margins on current and future products and services. Our One Kopin initiative has reduced costs and redundancies, improved alignment, and focuses our energies on growth markets. Our team is truly passionate about what we do, and we've been able to retain and attract the best talent in the world to help us achieve our goals. I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, Rich Sneider, to review our results from the first quarter in further detail. Over to you, Rich. Operator00:13:34Rich, you might be on mute. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:13:50Thank you, Operator. Thank you, Michael. Turning to our financial results for the first quarter, total revenues for Q1 2025 were $10.5 million versus $10 million for the prior year, a 5% increase year over year. Product revenues for the first quarter ended March 29, 2025, were $9.2 million, compared to $9 million for the first quarter ended March 30, 2024, essentially flat. In the first quarter of 2025, funded research and development revenues increased 37% to $1.2 million from $900,000 in Q1 of 2024, primarily because of an increase in funding for U.S. defense programs. Cost of product revenues for the first quarter of 2025 was $7.6 million, or 83% of net product revenues, compared with $8.5 million, or 95% of net product revenues for the first quarter of 2024. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:14:55The decrease in cost of product revenues was primarily the result of improving manufacturing quality and less waste. R&D expenses for the first quarter of 2025 were $2.1 million, an increase of $15,000 from a year ago. Customer-funded R&D decreased approximately $200,000, essentially offsetting the increase in internally funded R&D. SG&A expenses were $4.7 million in the first quarter of 2025, compared to $7.2 million in the first quarter of 2024. The decrease was primarily due to a decrease in legal fees of $2.9 million. Turning to the bottom line, the net loss for the first quarter of 2025 was $3.1 million, or $0.02 per share, compared with net loss attributable to Kopin of $32.5 million, or $0.27 per share for the first quarter of 2024. Keep in mind the first quarter of 2024 included the $24.8 million reserve for litigation damages. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:15:53Net cash used in operating activities was $3.4 million in the first quarter, of which approximately half was the result of changes in working capital items. Listeners should review our Form 10Q for the quarter ended March 29, 2025, for additional disclosures. With that, I'll turn it back over to Michael. Thanks, Rich. I would like to take a moment to thank our employees at Kopin for their hard work and dedication. The improvements the team has made in a relatively short period of time are truly commendable. We believe the growth trajectory is just beginning. As we continue to mature our advanced technologies like our color micro-LED portfolio and our neural display architecture, coupled with our existing products, technologies, and customers, we believe we are in a great position to support the defense, medical, industrial, and consumer markets globally. I believe the best years are yet to come. With that, Operator, we want to open up the call to questions. Operator00:16:49Absolutely. At this time, if you'd like to ask a question, please press the star and one keys on your telephone keypad. Keep in mind you may remove yourself from the question queue at any time by pressing star and two. Again, it's star and one if you'd like to ask a question today. We'll take our first question from Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Glenn MattsonManaging Director and Senior Technology Analyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:17:16Hi. Yeah, thanks for taking the questions. Michael, you talked a bit more than usual on the international opportunity. Maybe can you give a little more color and detail about just which regions, or if you can go as deep as the countries, offer the most near-term potential, and how long what's your time frame thoughts on how to turn some of that pipeline into revenue? Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:17:43Sure. Thanks, Glenn. Currently, we see Europe as a critical area for our growth. As you know, we have a location in Scotland that we've just converted into the One Kopin strategy, where they're able to support defense applications and other applications throughout Europe and the U.K. The amount of spending and opportunity that we're seeing in the U.K. and Europe global on mass is quite large. We are seeing near-term opportunities to convert to research and development contracts in Europe, as well as some early-stage production opportunities in Europe as well. Europe is, I'd say, our primary focus. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:18:27Secondly, we see tremendous opportunities in Korea. I was just there meeting with several leading companies in defense in Korea and one of our partners there, and we see fairly significant opportunities in Korea as well. Japan, I would say, would be number three for us. These are near-term opportunities where we can secure research and development contracts, as well as some near-term production contracts. We are looking forward to partnering with several firms in more of a flywheel strategy, where we can partner with companies that are in local situ, meaning they have facilities there that we can work with them. We may even consider doing some joint venture work to capture some of this opportunity while it is there for us. We are very engaged in it. We see the opportunity, and we are working very hard to capture it. Glenn MattsonManaging Director and Senior Technology Analyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:19:19Very helpful. You mentioned some of the automation activities that you're putting into place. Gross margin on the product looks volatile a little bit. I imagine you're trying to kind of get that to a nice level and get it more consistent. Can you just give us a sense of when that stuff can kick in and maybe what level of gross margin we could expect when it all is in place? Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:19:45Yeah, great question. Where we see the biggest value and benefit for our new automation is actually on inbound and outbound inspection. We've invested in new systems in both of those areas that are going to help our quality control be done more effectively, quickly, and through greater rates. We're looking forward to that coming online. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:20:11The last briefing I had, Glenn, that new camera-based system will be online in June, and we expect to see several significant points of gross margin, or at least OpEx reduction, through using that system. We're going to retask the people into more valuable roles within the company. As you can imagine, inspecting lenses and polarizers and glass is very difficult for the human eye. Adding this level of automation is going to be much welcome news for us. We see several points of gross margin that that will improve. Glenn MattsonManaging Director and Senior Technology Analyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:20:49Great. Thanks. That's it from me. I'll jump back in the queue. Glenn MattsonManaging Director and Senior Technology Analyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:20:54Thanks, Glenn. Operator00:20:56We'll take our next question from George Gianarikas with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Your line is open. George GianarikasCG's Sustainability Senior Analyst at Canaccord Genuity00:21:04Hi all. Thank you for taking my question. A little bit of housekeeping first.I just want to make sure I understood the guidance. In your last report, you talked about revenue in the $52 million-$55 million range, and you just talked about reiterating double-digit growth. I just want to make sure that we had that revenue number appropriately calibrated that you're thinking of for this year. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:21:28Yeah. We ended up taking our guidance down somewhat based on the geopolitical trade issues that we were seeing. We still expect to see double-digit growth in our view. We are hopeful to increase our guidance over the course of the year, George, once a lot of this tariff uncertainty becomes more known and reasonable. We believe there is more growth in 2025, and we are being conservative in the first half. Yeah. Hi, this is Rich Sneider. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:22:14Just to echo Michael's comments, as we've indicated, we have significant book of business, and we have the ability to execute on that book of business. Our customers will take product as we can make it, but we want to do it in an expeditious manner and a cost-effective manner. Knowing when the automation is kicking in and where these tariffs are going to land would be somewhat, we think, judicious in this year's revenues. George GianarikasCG's Sustainability Senior Analyst at Canaccord Genuity00:22:45Okay. Thanks. Maybe second question regarding Neuralink. Can you just talk about any progress in bringing that to commercialization? Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:22:56Thank you. Sure. Neural Display. We have announced a very— I was thinking of you on the question. Sorry. Yeah. No, I understand. I understand. It's interesting. Neural Display, when you think about it, is a Neuralink. It has a human-in-the-loop capability. We're not talking to those folks, to be clear, but we do think that's the way the market is going, specific in consumer, George, where you don't necessarily want to have hands on your technology. Your technology should be able to adapt to you. That's what we think the biggest AR/VR companies in the world are trying to accomplish, including the folks over at Neuralink. Our goal is to have a demonstrable Neural Display in a headset very shortly, and we expect to have some press and potentially a roadshow with it very soon here, ideally in the next quarter. George GianarikasCG's Sustainability Senior Analyst at Canaccord Genuity00:23:52Great. Thank you so much. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:23:56Thanks for the question. Operator00:23:58We'll take our next question from Jaeson Schmidt with Lake Street. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Jaeson SchmidtDirector of Research at Lake Street Capital Markets00:24:06Yeah. Thanks for taking my questions. Just given all the dynamics and the macro, just curious what you're seeing from a quoting activity and order pattern standpoint so far here in Q2. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:24:18Yeah. Great question. We were struggling in the first part of the quarter to get orders placed. That has since freed up. We're seeing good order flow now, Jason. It definitely caused us some concern in Q1. We weren't seeing the order flow and the timeliness of orders that we would have liked. Now that has definitely improved. We're seeing the orders that we thought we were going to see. We're tracking several new orders that will be released by the government very shortly here that are in the $10 million-$20 million type of range. We're definitely seeing it free up in Q2, and we hope that that's going to continue through Q3 once the budgets are ratified and expelled. We're hopeful that the second half will be even better than the first half. Jaeson SchmidtDirector of Research at Lake Street Capital Markets00:25:13Okay. No, that's really good to hear. You're obviously seeing some nice traction with some new R&D awards. Can you just discuss what's driving this momentum and how we should think about these eventually translating into contract awards? Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:25:28Great question. Many people, investors, have asked me why we don't put the amount of the contract in our press releases when it comes to research and development, specifically with the Army, Navy, or the government at large. The reason is they've asked us not to. Most of the R&D contracts that we get are in the several million to million dollar range. I can give ranges. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:25:59If we mention the Army or Navy or the branch of the military by name, just be confident in that we've had to check and validate those releases with those government agencies before we announce them. We do not put the amount in the research and development awards. Even though the amount of the award might be modest, maybe $1 million to $2.5 million, it's the opportunity that unlocks, Jason. As an example, our Off the Visor award that we recently announced, it's a decent award, a few million dollars. However, what's important is what it could unlock. If this technology works and our design works, this is a design that is for the rest of the soldiers that are out there, an optical design that can come off of a helmet of any soldier that's using it. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:26:54Very strategic and significant opportunities can be unlocked by these research and development awards. Even though the revenue might be modest, the opportunity that they create is very significant, specific when we start talking about the Off the Visor technology or a new micro-display investment like we just announced some research that we're going to do on a color micro-LED for soldier-based systems. That can unlock a tremendous opportunity pipeline in the future. What we're seeing right now in the industry is telling us that the applications that are out there, whether it be consumer, medical, or military, require a much brighter display for the same amount of power. That just spells micro-LED to me, but it's got to be a color micro-LED. I'm going to be talking about it tomorrow at SID here in California, and we're investing heavily and focused in that area. Richard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor Relations at Kopin Corporation00:27:45But those small research and development contracts, that really starts that funding vehicle and drives the technology forward. They are very important for our future. Jaeson SchmidtDirector of Research at Lake Street Capital Markets00:27:54Gotcha. I appreciate the color. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks, guys. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:27:59Thanks, Jaeson. Operator00:28:01There are no further questions on the line at this time. I'll turn the program back to management for any additional or closing remarks. Michael MurrayCEO at Kopin Corporation00:28:10Wonderful. Thank you, Operator. Again, we're tremendously excited about our future. I think 2025 is going to be another growth year for Kopin. We do expect that we're going to have a stronger second half and first half, not only for orders but also for revenue and gross margins. We look forward to updating you as we progress this year. Thank you all for joining, and thank you to the team at Kopin for delivering another great quarter. Thanks very much. Operator00:28:42This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesBrian PrenoveauHead of Investor RelationsMichael MurrayCEORichard SneiderCFO and Treasurer Investor RelationsAnalystsGlenn MattsonManaging Director and Senior Technology Analyst at Ladenburg ThalmannGeorge GianarikasCG's Sustainability Senior Analyst at Canaccord GenuityJaeson SchmidtDirector of Research at Lake Street Capital MarketsPowered by