NASDAQ:CLOV Clover Health Investments Q1 2025 Earnings Report $3.36 -0.12 (-3.31%) As of 02:54 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Clover Health Investments EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.05Consensus EPS -$0.07Beat/MissBeat by +$0.12One Year Ago EPSN/AClover Health Investments Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$462.33 millionExpected Revenue$466.93 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$4.60 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AClover Health Investments Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/6/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, May 6, 2025Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsClover Health Investments' Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Tuesday, August 4, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Clover Health Investments Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 6, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways 30% Medicare Advantage membership growth drove a 33% revenue increase and a 279% surge in adjusted EBITDA year over year. The company reaffirmed full-year 2025 guidance for ~30% MA membership growth and raised adjusted EBITDA and net income outlook to $50–$70 million. Insurance combined ratio was 86.1% in Q1, in line with expectations, as utilization normalized after a later cold and flu season. Clover repurchased 5 million shares for $80 million, ending Q1 with $391 million in cash and investments, underscoring balance sheet strength. Counterpart Health partnerships are expanding Clover Assistant into other MA plans, with additional implementation resources in place to support growth. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallClover Health Investments Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon and welcome to the Clover Health First Quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the prepared remarks. At that time, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ryan Schmidt, Investor Relations for Clover Health. Please go ahead. Ryan SchmidtHead of Investor Relations at Clover Health00:00:28Good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on our call today to discuss the company's first quarter 2025 results are Andrew Toy, Clover Health's Chief Executive Officer, and Peter Kuipers, the company's Chief Financial Officer. You can find today's press release in the accompanying supplemental slides, as well as the company's most recent investor deck in the Investor Events and Presentations section of our website at investors.cloverhealth.com. This webcast is being recorded, and a replay will be available in the Investor Relations section of the Clover Health website. I'd also like to caution you that we may make forward-looking statements during today's call that are subject to risks and uncertainties, including expectations about future performance. Factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in our SEC filings, including in the risk report on Form 10-K and other SEC filings. Ryan SchmidtHead of Investor Relations at Clover Health00:01:16Information about non-GAAP financial measures referenced, including a reconciliation of those measures to GAAP measures, can be found in the earnings materials available on our website. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Andrew. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:01:30All right, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. I'm excited to dive into our first quarter 2025 results. We've been working hard at Clover, and it's really showing in our Medicare Advantage performance and overall business growth. Let's break down what we've accomplished and why it matters. First, let's talk about MA plan growth, where we're doing very well. We've seen some significant numbers this quarter. We're looking at a 30% jump in MA membership, 33% growth in our revenue, and a whopping 279% increase in Adjusted EBITDA year-over-year. That's not just numbers on a page. That's real momentum. What's driving this? It's our focus on getting people the right healthcare right when they need it: earlier, higher quality, and critically, more affordable. This isn't just about growth for growth's sake. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:02:26It's about making a real difference in people's lives by lowering barriers in care, whether it be by reducing out-of-pocket costs or delivering care to them right in their homes. We even released a new white paper last week showing how Clover Assistant helps better manage congestive heart failure, leading to better care and fewer hospital visits. That's the kind of impact we're aiming for. Next up, let's discuss our confidence in the rest of the year. This quarter's performance really reinforces that we're on the right track to hit our full year 2025 goals and improved guidance. We had a strong enrollment season, and those new members are utilizing care at expected levels. That's key. We're planning to keep this momentum going throughout the year. What is most important, it's how we're taking care of these new members. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:03:25We're using Clover Assistant to power their primary care, making sure they get the best health outcomes and the most efficient care. This isn't just about enrolling more seniors; it's about making sure we look after them in the right way. Now, let's talk about how we're managing things behind the scenes. Our Part C and Part D utilization costs are both tracking as expected. We are also navigating the HCC V28 phase-in smoothly with Clover Assistant. Why is this important? Because it shows our technology-first care model is adaptable and can handle changes in the industry. We're not just reacting; we're staying ahead of the curve, making sure our members get better care management. That's a huge advantage for us. A big part of our confidence comes from our control of our care model. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:04:23Whether in the wide PPO network with PCPs using Clover Assistant or via home care in our Clover Care Services division, care is what we do. Speaking of Clover Care Services, our mission is simple: to deliver additional support to Clover members when and where they need it. Every Clover member is eligible for a personalized in-home Clover care visit and coordinated care services tailored to their health journey. We work closely with Clover Assistant using physicians to identify members needing support and deliver that support directly to them. For example, our welcome home Clover care visit helps members transition from hospital inpatient stays. For members with the highest needs, we offer a comprehensive in-home care program focused on palliative and advanced illness support. These services drive strong performance for our health plan and provide tailored, personalized care for our Clover members. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:05:34We're also pleased about the recent CMS final rate notice for 2026. It's a positive for us and will add to our momentum, especially with our four-star PPO plan coming next year. Let's be clear: our real strength is in our architecture and in our operations. It's in our innovative care model, our wide networks, and the clinical and financial results we get from Clover Assistant. I've spoken about this before, and I want to emphasize that we would feel good no matter what the rate notice was. That's because we're not just relying on favorable rates; we're building a solid foundation for long-term success. Looking ahead, we see even more growth and profitability coming in 2026 and beyond. This isn't just wishful thinking. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:06:25It's based on our strategy of expanding Clover Assistant's reach, managing our members with personalized care, and the financial boost we'll get from our four-star rating. It is too early to talk about bid specifics right now, but our intention is to keep building a growth flywheel, and we expect it to start spinning much faster as we go into next year. For areas where we do not have an MA plan, we're pushing forward with Counterpart Health. We're seeing a great opportunity here to partner with others and bring Clover Assistant to even more people. We're already working with several partners, and we have more in the pipeline. Organizations are seeing the value of Counterpart Assistant in improving care and managing costs, and we believe this is a big area of growth for us. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:07:17To support this growing deal flow, we are actively taking steps to add implementation resources to ensure successful onboarding and integration for our partners. I'm excited about traction in this area, and I think the opportunity to bring CA to many people served by other MA plans is a very real one. Finally, I want to highlight the real-world impact of Clover Assistant. Our research shows that doctors using Clover Assistant diagnosed chronic kidney disease and diabetes earlier. We just released our latest paper on congestive heart failure, showing that Clover Assistant usage is associated with better care, fewer hospitalizations, and fewer readmissions related to CHF. Heart failure is a huge issue, and we're making a real difference. We're giving our doctors the tools they need to provide better care, and it's showing in the results. To sum it up, we've had a fantastic start to 2025. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:08:22Our approach, powered by Clover Assistant and our home care program, is driving strong growth in membership, revenue, and Adjusted EBITDA. We're confident in our 2025 goals and excited about our future. Now, I'll hand it over to Peter for the financial update. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:08:41Thank you, Andrew. First, let's start with the results, and then I will cover the drivers in more detail. I'm very pleased with our strong first quarter performance, where we have delivered a combination of 30% membership growth and 33% total revenue growth, while growing Adjusted EBITDA by 279% and adjusted net income by 322% year-over-year. We are executing very well against our strategy. Let's now move into the drivers. Starting with membership and revenue. Insurance revenue grew by 34% year-over-year to $457 million, driven by 30% Medicare Advantage membership growth from strong AEP and OEP enrollment seasons. Member retention was also strong during both the AEP and OEP season. Our first quarter results give us conviction in our new member cohort management strategy. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:09:49Similar to AEP, the majority of our OEP growth occurred in our core New Jersey markets, where we have a strong Clover Assistant network presence. During the quarter, new members were effectively onboarded, and our results demonstrate strong management of both our new member and profitable returning member cohorts, with performance in line with expectations. This is reflective of our pricing discipline, geographic growth strategy, and our efforts to proactively engage with new members via Clover Assistant powered primary care. Given our experience over the last number of years, we have strong conviction that the unit economics for our new member cohorts will improve, as we've seen on average a more than a 700 basis point improvement in loss ratios between year one and year two cohorts, and an approximate 1,500 basis point improvement between year one and year three cohort members. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:10:59This demonstrates the effectiveness of our model over the long term by providing earlier and better care management at a lower total cost of care. Overall, we are confident that our medical costs are in line with expectations. We experienced elevated inpatient utilization in January from an uptick in lower intensity care related to a later cold and flu season. However, trends quickly normalized starting in February and continued through March. Operationally, we continuously perform checks into our data and metrics via prior authorizations, weekly claims, and real-time Clover Assistant insights from provider interactions to identify patterns in our utilization. Focusing next on SD&A, I'm pleased with the operating leverage that we are demonstrating. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:11:58This quarter, adjusted SD&A as a percentage of total revenue decreased to 18% of revenue, representing an improvement or decrease of 360 basis points year-over-year, while absorbing the increased growth and variable cost associated with higher membership and our continued strategic quality investments into our business. Our profitability metrics are strong. GAAP net loss during the first quarter of 2025 improved by $18 million year-over-year to a loss of $1 million. First quarter 2025 Adjusted EBITDA improved by 279% to a profit of $26 million. Similarly, adjusted net income grew by 322% year-over-year to a profit of $25 million. Lastly, insurance VER for the first quarter 2025 was 86.1%, which represents a modest increase year- over-year, but importantly, is in line with our expectations and consistent with our full year 2025 guidance given seasonality. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:13:18We also note that one driver of the year-over-year increase in insurance VER was the implementation of our CA-enabled affiliate entity within our operating structure, which the plan now employs to engage providers directly and better service our health plan and membership in New Jersey. The goal of this entity is to drive higher quality and better health outcomes for our members via better care coordination services, unified care management, and a deeper focus on our partnerships with local physicians. Overall, we're proud of our strong results this quarter. As we look ahead to the rest of the year, please note that we expect typical Medicare Advantage seasonality trends in the form of higher utilization levels in the back half of the year, with more of an impact in the fourth quarter of the year as is typical. That said, this is simply seasonality. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:14:17Our first quarter performance reinforces our conviction in our improved 2025 guidance, which I will cover later in this call. Turning next to the balance sheet, we are pleased to announce that during the first quarter, we have successfully repurchased 5 million shares of Common Stock, making up the remaining $18 million authorized under our buyback program announced in May of last year. This strategic decision reflects our confidence in the company's long-term value and the strength of our balance sheet. We ended the first quarter of 2025 with cash, cash equivalents, and investments totaling $391 million on a consolidated basis, with $126 million at the parent entity and unregulated subsidiary level. Our unregulated cash was impacted by various working capital and timing dynamics, as well as the stock buyback program. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:15:14We're confident that this balance will increase throughout the year, allowing us to operate from a position of strength as we invest in our growth model. During the first quarter of 2025, cash flow used in operating activities was $16 million and was similarly impacted by working capital and timing-related dynamics. That said, given our business momentum, we continue to expect to be on pace to generate strong cash flow from operating activities for the full year. Days in claims payable was 37 days as of March 31st, 2025, representing a decrease of 22 days sequentially. This reflects the normalization of our claims inventory and timeliness of claims payments to historical levels. If you recall, at this time last year, we were simultaneously navigating the industry-wide Change Healthcare incident, as well as the transition to our back-office BPAS Medicare Advantage ecosystem. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:16:17We're pleased to report the successful conclusion of this and expect our claims payment patterns to now be at typical go-forward ranges. For our full year 2025 guidance, we believe that we are well-positioned to accomplish our goals this year and are providing the following guidance update. We are reconfirming our Medicare Advantage membership to average between 103,000 and 107,000 members, reflecting 30% growth year-over-year at the midpoint and continued intra-year growth for the SVP periods in 2025, all driven by our robust plan benefits, competitive positioning, and our four-star rating. We are also reconfirming our insurance revenue of between $1,800 million and $1,875 million, reflecting year-over-year growth of 37% at the midpoint of the range. In tandem with our membership growth expectations, we anticipate more revenue in the second half of the year as compared to the first half, unlike historical patterns. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:17:34We are reconfirming our Adjusted SD&A guidance to be between $355 million and $365 million. This represents Adjusted SD&A as a percentage of total revenue of 19%-20% and is an approximate 200 basis point decrease or improvement year-over-year at the midpoint of the range. We are increasing our 2025 Adjusted EBITDA guidance to now be between $15 million and $70 million. Similarly, we are also increasing our 2025 adjusted net income guide to now be between $50 million and $70 million. Lastly, we continue to expect insurance VER to be within a range of 87%-88%. In totality, as Andrew mentioned, we delivered strong results and a very strong start to the year. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:18:44Throughout the remainder of 2025, we look forward to continuing to balance our strong profitability profile via exceptional cohort management together with our strategic investments in new membership growth, Clover Assistant technology, and expanding both our Clover Home Care services and Counterpart Health go-to-market strategy. As such, we have increased conviction in our improved full year 2025 guidance, and we believe that we are very well-positioned for accelerated growth and profitability in the future. Looking forward, first, we will continue to invest in growth and expanding Clover Assistant technology and reach to better manage our new and returning member cohorts. Second, we believe that we are very well-positioned with tailwinds going into 2026 due to an increase to a four-star payment year in 2026. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:19:48Third, we expect a compounding favorable impact from the recent CMS final rate notice, which is additive to the impact of the improved four-star rating. Fourth, we expect the unit economics of our large new cohort of membership added in 2025 to significantly improve in 2026 and beyond, as well as continued maturation of our broader returning member cohorts. Lastly, we believe that there will be a continued impact from our efforts to gain operating leverage. With that, let me now turn the call back to Andrew for closing comments. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:20:29Thanks, Peter. In conclusion, we are incredibly proud of our strong start to 2025. These first quarter results clearly demonstrate our ability to meaningfully grow membership, expand profitability, and execute our strategic plan effectively. Our differentiated model, powered by a focused home care platform, is delivering tangible value and better clinical outcomes, driving our strong Medicare Advantage performance. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:21:00We are confident in our improved full year 2025 guidance and are strategically investing in our growth model, managing our new and returning member cohorts, and expanding Clover Assistant's reach. These efforts are not only enhancing our current position, but also positioning us for accelerated growth and profitability in the future. We remain excited about Clover's trajectory and are committed to driving long-term value for our members and shareholders alike. With that, let's open it up for questions. Operator00:21:34Thank you. We will now be taking questions from Clover's Research Analysts. At this time, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. In the interest of time, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one quick follow-up. We will take our first question from Jonathan Young with UBS. Jonathan YoungResearch Analyst at UBS00:21:59Hey, thanks. Thanks for taking the question here. Just starting with the insurance business first, can you provide any color on how core medical trends are progressing there between kind of new versus the existing cohort? And how are members hitting the out-of-pocket drug maximums? Is it trending in line with your expectations, and has there been a change in behavior there? Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:22:19Yeah, thank you, Jonathan. That's Peter. So overall, cost trends are as expected. We also say that both the new members cohort and the returning members cohort are also, from an MCR and VER perspective, trending in the way both in actuals and what we see in the coming quarters, as expected as well. Jonathan YoungResearch Analyst at UBS00:22:49Okay. You know, we didn't hear much on Counterpart Health here. Just any color on how that go-to-market strategy is progressing, if there's been any more bigger wins and kind of, as we look ahead, when can we start seeing contribution things? Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:23:06Yeah. Hey, Jonathan, it's Andrew. Yes, definitely remain excited about the Counterpart business, and we are looking to provide more updates on that as we go out throughout the year. We remind everybody that we are not necessarily intending to make announcements around every single deal that we make around there. However, we remain excited about it. All contributions, revenue, et cetera, will, of course, be in the consolidated financials as well. We are going to be talking more about that as we proceed in the quarter. Right now, we're very focused on making sure that we improve profitability in the insurance segment. Operator00:23:46Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad now. We will go next to Matt Hewitt with Craig-Hallum Capital. Matt HewittSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital00:23:54Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe first up, and kind of sticking with the Counterpart theme, have you had, you know, some, I guess, feedback or how have the initial implementations gone? And what are you hearing from those partners regarding kind of the key metrics that you would be looking for once the platform is implemented and they've kind of had a chance to use it for a little bit? Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:24:19Yeah, thanks. Definitely what we're looking for and what we're aiming to do is to make sure that we deliver the amount of value within our Counterpart customer base as similar to what we see within our own MA plan and within the providers that use the Assistant within our own network. That's what our aim is. That's the power of the software approach, is that we can develop the product. We can then use it to help manage care, to identify diseases earlier within almost any part of the Medicare population, whether it be under our own plan or whether it be with other people's plans, third-party plans. The key KPIs that we're looking for there are, do we still see the engagement with the physicians? Do we still see the earlier diagnosis and management of diseases? Do we still see improvement on the HEDIS side of things? Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:25:15As we said, we're very proud of our performance there. It's all the same metrics that we use within our own plan, but translated into third-party counterpart usage. And our initial data, we feel optimistic on that, and our goal was that those would be effectively equivalent. Matt HewittSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital00:25:29That's great. Maybe shifting gears a little bit, given some of your success over the past, call it, you know, couple of years, has there been any changes in the competitive landscape? Are you seeing some of your peers adapting or, you know, kind of shifting to your model a little bit more? Are you seeing any new competitive entrants? How does that kind of change your game plan, if at all? Thank you. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:25:59Yeah, I think that what we see here is that we have been focused on the PPO and the wide network and managing care within that wide network for quite some time. Others have been focused, and it's perfectly legitimate as a model, with value-based programs within their network, deploying those out, but rarely with a software backing, right? Like most people's development of software has been for employed physicians. It's been for insurance operations. While those are both good things, the assistant, Counterpart Assistant, Clover Assistant, is usable by the broader, wider network, and that is a distinct moat and advantage that we have. That's something we're excited to bring as a model to drive clinical value to lots of different markets, lots of different places. We think we can look after a large percentage of the total Medicare population in the U.S. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:26:49I think that what we're seeing is that others have struggled a bit on the PPO and are pulling back on benefits, are perhaps not really investing as much as they used to, cutting back on marketing, cutting back on commissions. That is just a natural cycle of the market. We are steadying the course. We feel good about where we are. We feel that our model is working. We feel that it is highly differentiated. Matt HewittSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital00:27:13Got it. All right. Thank you. Operator00:27:16Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad now. We'll go next to Richard Close with Canaccord Genuity. Richard CloseManaging Director in Digital and Tech-Enabled Health Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity00:27:27Yes. Congratulations on a great start to the year, first of all. You know, Andrew and Peter, you guys mentioned accelerated growth in the years to come. You talked about, you know, the growth flywheel and expect faster growth next year. Maybe can you break that down a little bit? You know, obviously, your positive rate adjustment for next year and then the four stars, but how are you thinking about the building blocks to growth? Where's the acceleration come from beyond, I guess, you know, the positive on rate and star? Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:28:15Yeah, thank you, Richard. This is Peter. What we see, of course, now also, now that we have experience with a large cohort joining the plan this year, that's a reconfirmation for us to really see the cohort economics for both new members and then also the returning members. That is a large factor as we look at unit economics and profitability going into next year. Yes, absolutely. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:28:45The rate notice will be a tailwind, but with our model, we do not necessarily need that, if you will. We are, of course, now looking at bids, so more news to come there. You know, some likelihood, there will be some adjustments there from a benefit perspective. Of course, we also have, of course, the cost actions we have taken as well. We will have more leverage from an SD&A perspective also. Lastly, we believe that from our product roadmap, from a Clover Assistant technology perspective, we will have additional impact as well, starting with the clinical side and then, of course, the results flowing through to the financials as well over time. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:29:22Yeah. Just jumping in here, obviously, we are, as a reminder to all, is that we are going from a payment year. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:29:30We're being paid on three and a half stars this year, and we'll be going to a paid on four stars next year, which affects the benchmark. We're looking at what we do, as Peter said, we're still early on and we're not talking about bid just yet, but obviously, we're factoring that into our bid discussions. Others in our market might be moving downwards in our markets on the pressure on their benefits, whereas we can, we think we have room as we are moving upwards. Another dimension on that, as Peter said, was a lot of that's being driven by CA. CA helps our star ratings. We are very proud. We're, you know, the number one plan of over 2,000 lives on HEDIS under the star ratings. That's driven by our technology platform. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:30:09We look to maintain that advantage going forward, which will help us with stars, which will help us with benefits too. Richard CloseManaging Director in Digital and Tech-Enabled Health Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity00:30:15Okay. I guess I have, or my follow-up is somewhat centered on New Jersey. First, in terms of New Jersey, you know, obviously, you have great penetration there. I'm curious, with respect to this accelerating growth, how you think about, like, you know, are you bumping up on, you know, where you can go in New Jersey? Do you have to go to new markets? That's one question. The second part of the question is, you mentioned this affiliated entity related to BER. If you can go into that a little bit more for us as well. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:31:06Yeah, I'll jump in on the first part, Richard. I'll let Peter take the second part. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:31:12Regarding New Jersey, I think we have plenty of room to run. We have plenty of room within that market. We have our full platform deployed there. It's our home state. Like we feel a lot of affection for New Jersey. We have plenty of market share. While we're proud of the market share position we have, we also have room to take on more market share there. So we feel really good about where we are there. That does not mean that we are not going to look at other GOs. That's not what I'm saying. I think we certainly will look at other GOs. Because we are just right around north of 20% market share on non-SNIP in New Jersey, we have plenty of room to go before we become saturated. I'll let Peter take the second part. Yeah. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:31:53Yeah. When comparing BER year-over-year or sequentially quarter over quarter, a couple of things to keep in mind as far as drivers, right? First of all, new members from a BER perspective are a headwind. That is then offset by returning members as well. Of course, we do have a somewhat elevated medics trend as well, but it appears that that is much lower than competitors that do not have a clinically technology-focused approach. There is a little bit of timing as well as far as PPD. Lastly, going back to the CA-enabled affiliate entity that we signaled, I think, last year that we were setting up, it is really meant to drive higher quality and better care for members. Activities that that entity is deploying include, for example, care coordination, care management, and also partnerships with local physicians. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:32:52So that is a fourth factor if you look at both quarter over quarter and year-over-year BER. Richard CloseManaging Director in Digital and Tech-Enabled Health Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity00:32:58Okay. Thank you. Operator00:33:01Once again, it is Star 1 if you had a question. With no other questions, this will conclude the Q&A portion of today's conference. I would now like to turn the call back over to Andrew Toy for any additional or closing remarks. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:33:28All right. Thank you all again for joining us today and for the thoughtful questions. We appreciate your interest in Clover and look forward to updating you more in our next call. Have a great evening, everyone. Thank you. Operator00:33:44This concludes today's Clover Health First Quarter 2025 earnings call and webcast. 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Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on Clover Health Investments and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About Clover Health InvestmentsClover Health Investments (NASDAQ:CLOV) is a technology-driven healthcare company specializing in Medicare Advantage plans for senior populations. The company combines insurance coverage with a proprietary software platform to improve care coordination, outcomes tracking and cost management. By leveraging data analytics, Clover Health aims to deliver personalized care pathways and preventive interventions for its members. At the core of Clover’s offering is its Clover Assistant platform, which aggregates clinical and claims data from multiple sources to create real-time insights for physicians and care teams. This platform flags gaps in care, offers evidence-based treatment suggestions and facilitates member outreach to ensure adherence to preventive screenings and chronic condition management. Clover’s insurance products cover hospitalization, outpatient care, prescription drug benefits and various supplemental services, including telehealth and transportation assistance. Founded in 2014 by Vivek Garipalli and Kris Gale and headquartered in Jersey City, New Jersey, Clover Health has expanded its Medicare Advantage footprint across several U.S. states. The company serves beneficiaries in urban and rural markets, with operations spanning regions such as the Northeast, Southeast and Midwest. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon and welcome to the Clover Health First Quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the prepared remarks. At that time, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ryan Schmidt, Investor Relations for Clover Health. Please go ahead. Ryan SchmidtHead of Investor Relations at Clover Health00:00:28Good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on our call today to discuss the company's first quarter 2025 results are Andrew Toy, Clover Health's Chief Executive Officer, and Peter Kuipers, the company's Chief Financial Officer. You can find today's press release in the accompanying supplemental slides, as well as the company's most recent investor deck in the Investor Events and Presentations section of our website at investors.cloverhealth.com. This webcast is being recorded, and a replay will be available in the Investor Relations section of the Clover Health website. I'd also like to caution you that we may make forward-looking statements during today's call that are subject to risks and uncertainties, including expectations about future performance. Factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in our SEC filings, including in the risk report on Form 10-K and other SEC filings. Ryan SchmidtHead of Investor Relations at Clover Health00:01:16Information about non-GAAP financial measures referenced, including a reconciliation of those measures to GAAP measures, can be found in the earnings materials available on our website. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Andrew. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:01:30All right, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. I'm excited to dive into our first quarter 2025 results. We've been working hard at Clover, and it's really showing in our Medicare Advantage performance and overall business growth. Let's break down what we've accomplished and why it matters. First, let's talk about MA plan growth, where we're doing very well. We've seen some significant numbers this quarter. We're looking at a 30% jump in MA membership, 33% growth in our revenue, and a whopping 279% increase in Adjusted EBITDA year-over-year. That's not just numbers on a page. That's real momentum. What's driving this? It's our focus on getting people the right healthcare right when they need it: earlier, higher quality, and critically, more affordable. This isn't just about growth for growth's sake. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:02:26It's about making a real difference in people's lives by lowering barriers in care, whether it be by reducing out-of-pocket costs or delivering care to them right in their homes. We even released a new white paper last week showing how Clover Assistant helps better manage congestive heart failure, leading to better care and fewer hospital visits. That's the kind of impact we're aiming for. Next up, let's discuss our confidence in the rest of the year. This quarter's performance really reinforces that we're on the right track to hit our full year 2025 goals and improved guidance. We had a strong enrollment season, and those new members are utilizing care at expected levels. That's key. We're planning to keep this momentum going throughout the year. What is most important, it's how we're taking care of these new members. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:03:25We're using Clover Assistant to power their primary care, making sure they get the best health outcomes and the most efficient care. This isn't just about enrolling more seniors; it's about making sure we look after them in the right way. Now, let's talk about how we're managing things behind the scenes. Our Part C and Part D utilization costs are both tracking as expected. We are also navigating the HCC V28 phase-in smoothly with Clover Assistant. Why is this important? Because it shows our technology-first care model is adaptable and can handle changes in the industry. We're not just reacting; we're staying ahead of the curve, making sure our members get better care management. That's a huge advantage for us. A big part of our confidence comes from our control of our care model. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:04:23Whether in the wide PPO network with PCPs using Clover Assistant or via home care in our Clover Care Services division, care is what we do. Speaking of Clover Care Services, our mission is simple: to deliver additional support to Clover members when and where they need it. Every Clover member is eligible for a personalized in-home Clover care visit and coordinated care services tailored to their health journey. We work closely with Clover Assistant using physicians to identify members needing support and deliver that support directly to them. For example, our welcome home Clover care visit helps members transition from hospital inpatient stays. For members with the highest needs, we offer a comprehensive in-home care program focused on palliative and advanced illness support. These services drive strong performance for our health plan and provide tailored, personalized care for our Clover members. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:05:34We're also pleased about the recent CMS final rate notice for 2026. It's a positive for us and will add to our momentum, especially with our four-star PPO plan coming next year. Let's be clear: our real strength is in our architecture and in our operations. It's in our innovative care model, our wide networks, and the clinical and financial results we get from Clover Assistant. I've spoken about this before, and I want to emphasize that we would feel good no matter what the rate notice was. That's because we're not just relying on favorable rates; we're building a solid foundation for long-term success. Looking ahead, we see even more growth and profitability coming in 2026 and beyond. This isn't just wishful thinking. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:06:25It's based on our strategy of expanding Clover Assistant's reach, managing our members with personalized care, and the financial boost we'll get from our four-star rating. It is too early to talk about bid specifics right now, but our intention is to keep building a growth flywheel, and we expect it to start spinning much faster as we go into next year. For areas where we do not have an MA plan, we're pushing forward with Counterpart Health. We're seeing a great opportunity here to partner with others and bring Clover Assistant to even more people. We're already working with several partners, and we have more in the pipeline. Organizations are seeing the value of Counterpart Assistant in improving care and managing costs, and we believe this is a big area of growth for us. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:07:17To support this growing deal flow, we are actively taking steps to add implementation resources to ensure successful onboarding and integration for our partners. I'm excited about traction in this area, and I think the opportunity to bring CA to many people served by other MA plans is a very real one. Finally, I want to highlight the real-world impact of Clover Assistant. Our research shows that doctors using Clover Assistant diagnosed chronic kidney disease and diabetes earlier. We just released our latest paper on congestive heart failure, showing that Clover Assistant usage is associated with better care, fewer hospitalizations, and fewer readmissions related to CHF. Heart failure is a huge issue, and we're making a real difference. We're giving our doctors the tools they need to provide better care, and it's showing in the results. To sum it up, we've had a fantastic start to 2025. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:08:22Our approach, powered by Clover Assistant and our home care program, is driving strong growth in membership, revenue, and Adjusted EBITDA. We're confident in our 2025 goals and excited about our future. Now, I'll hand it over to Peter for the financial update. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:08:41Thank you, Andrew. First, let's start with the results, and then I will cover the drivers in more detail. I'm very pleased with our strong first quarter performance, where we have delivered a combination of 30% membership growth and 33% total revenue growth, while growing Adjusted EBITDA by 279% and adjusted net income by 322% year-over-year. We are executing very well against our strategy. Let's now move into the drivers. Starting with membership and revenue. Insurance revenue grew by 34% year-over-year to $457 million, driven by 30% Medicare Advantage membership growth from strong AEP and OEP enrollment seasons. Member retention was also strong during both the AEP and OEP season. Our first quarter results give us conviction in our new member cohort management strategy. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:09:49Similar to AEP, the majority of our OEP growth occurred in our core New Jersey markets, where we have a strong Clover Assistant network presence. During the quarter, new members were effectively onboarded, and our results demonstrate strong management of both our new member and profitable returning member cohorts, with performance in line with expectations. This is reflective of our pricing discipline, geographic growth strategy, and our efforts to proactively engage with new members via Clover Assistant powered primary care. Given our experience over the last number of years, we have strong conviction that the unit economics for our new member cohorts will improve, as we've seen on average a more than a 700 basis point improvement in loss ratios between year one and year two cohorts, and an approximate 1,500 basis point improvement between year one and year three cohort members. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:10:59This demonstrates the effectiveness of our model over the long term by providing earlier and better care management at a lower total cost of care. Overall, we are confident that our medical costs are in line with expectations. We experienced elevated inpatient utilization in January from an uptick in lower intensity care related to a later cold and flu season. However, trends quickly normalized starting in February and continued through March. Operationally, we continuously perform checks into our data and metrics via prior authorizations, weekly claims, and real-time Clover Assistant insights from provider interactions to identify patterns in our utilization. Focusing next on SD&A, I'm pleased with the operating leverage that we are demonstrating. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:11:58This quarter, adjusted SD&A as a percentage of total revenue decreased to 18% of revenue, representing an improvement or decrease of 360 basis points year-over-year, while absorbing the increased growth and variable cost associated with higher membership and our continued strategic quality investments into our business. Our profitability metrics are strong. GAAP net loss during the first quarter of 2025 improved by $18 million year-over-year to a loss of $1 million. First quarter 2025 Adjusted EBITDA improved by 279% to a profit of $26 million. Similarly, adjusted net income grew by 322% year-over-year to a profit of $25 million. Lastly, insurance VER for the first quarter 2025 was 86.1%, which represents a modest increase year- over-year, but importantly, is in line with our expectations and consistent with our full year 2025 guidance given seasonality. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:13:18We also note that one driver of the year-over-year increase in insurance VER was the implementation of our CA-enabled affiliate entity within our operating structure, which the plan now employs to engage providers directly and better service our health plan and membership in New Jersey. The goal of this entity is to drive higher quality and better health outcomes for our members via better care coordination services, unified care management, and a deeper focus on our partnerships with local physicians. Overall, we're proud of our strong results this quarter. As we look ahead to the rest of the year, please note that we expect typical Medicare Advantage seasonality trends in the form of higher utilization levels in the back half of the year, with more of an impact in the fourth quarter of the year as is typical. That said, this is simply seasonality. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:14:17Our first quarter performance reinforces our conviction in our improved 2025 guidance, which I will cover later in this call. Turning next to the balance sheet, we are pleased to announce that during the first quarter, we have successfully repurchased 5 million shares of Common Stock, making up the remaining $18 million authorized under our buyback program announced in May of last year. This strategic decision reflects our confidence in the company's long-term value and the strength of our balance sheet. We ended the first quarter of 2025 with cash, cash equivalents, and investments totaling $391 million on a consolidated basis, with $126 million at the parent entity and unregulated subsidiary level. Our unregulated cash was impacted by various working capital and timing dynamics, as well as the stock buyback program. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:15:14We're confident that this balance will increase throughout the year, allowing us to operate from a position of strength as we invest in our growth model. During the first quarter of 2025, cash flow used in operating activities was $16 million and was similarly impacted by working capital and timing-related dynamics. That said, given our business momentum, we continue to expect to be on pace to generate strong cash flow from operating activities for the full year. Days in claims payable was 37 days as of March 31st, 2025, representing a decrease of 22 days sequentially. This reflects the normalization of our claims inventory and timeliness of claims payments to historical levels. If you recall, at this time last year, we were simultaneously navigating the industry-wide Change Healthcare incident, as well as the transition to our back-office BPAS Medicare Advantage ecosystem. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:16:17We're pleased to report the successful conclusion of this and expect our claims payment patterns to now be at typical go-forward ranges. For our full year 2025 guidance, we believe that we are well-positioned to accomplish our goals this year and are providing the following guidance update. We are reconfirming our Medicare Advantage membership to average between 103,000 and 107,000 members, reflecting 30% growth year-over-year at the midpoint and continued intra-year growth for the SVP periods in 2025, all driven by our robust plan benefits, competitive positioning, and our four-star rating. We are also reconfirming our insurance revenue of between $1,800 million and $1,875 million, reflecting year-over-year growth of 37% at the midpoint of the range. In tandem with our membership growth expectations, we anticipate more revenue in the second half of the year as compared to the first half, unlike historical patterns. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:17:34We are reconfirming our Adjusted SD&A guidance to be between $355 million and $365 million. This represents Adjusted SD&A as a percentage of total revenue of 19%-20% and is an approximate 200 basis point decrease or improvement year-over-year at the midpoint of the range. We are increasing our 2025 Adjusted EBITDA guidance to now be between $15 million and $70 million. Similarly, we are also increasing our 2025 adjusted net income guide to now be between $50 million and $70 million. Lastly, we continue to expect insurance VER to be within a range of 87%-88%. In totality, as Andrew mentioned, we delivered strong results and a very strong start to the year. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:18:44Throughout the remainder of 2025, we look forward to continuing to balance our strong profitability profile via exceptional cohort management together with our strategic investments in new membership growth, Clover Assistant technology, and expanding both our Clover Home Care services and Counterpart Health go-to-market strategy. As such, we have increased conviction in our improved full year 2025 guidance, and we believe that we are very well-positioned for accelerated growth and profitability in the future. Looking forward, first, we will continue to invest in growth and expanding Clover Assistant technology and reach to better manage our new and returning member cohorts. Second, we believe that we are very well-positioned with tailwinds going into 2026 due to an increase to a four-star payment year in 2026. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:19:48Third, we expect a compounding favorable impact from the recent CMS final rate notice, which is additive to the impact of the improved four-star rating. Fourth, we expect the unit economics of our large new cohort of membership added in 2025 to significantly improve in 2026 and beyond, as well as continued maturation of our broader returning member cohorts. Lastly, we believe that there will be a continued impact from our efforts to gain operating leverage. With that, let me now turn the call back to Andrew for closing comments. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:20:29Thanks, Peter. In conclusion, we are incredibly proud of our strong start to 2025. These first quarter results clearly demonstrate our ability to meaningfully grow membership, expand profitability, and execute our strategic plan effectively. Our differentiated model, powered by a focused home care platform, is delivering tangible value and better clinical outcomes, driving our strong Medicare Advantage performance. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:21:00We are confident in our improved full year 2025 guidance and are strategically investing in our growth model, managing our new and returning member cohorts, and expanding Clover Assistant's reach. These efforts are not only enhancing our current position, but also positioning us for accelerated growth and profitability in the future. We remain excited about Clover's trajectory and are committed to driving long-term value for our members and shareholders alike. With that, let's open it up for questions. Operator00:21:34Thank you. We will now be taking questions from Clover's Research Analysts. At this time, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. In the interest of time, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one quick follow-up. We will take our first question from Jonathan Young with UBS. Jonathan YoungResearch Analyst at UBS00:21:59Hey, thanks. Thanks for taking the question here. Just starting with the insurance business first, can you provide any color on how core medical trends are progressing there between kind of new versus the existing cohort? And how are members hitting the out-of-pocket drug maximums? Is it trending in line with your expectations, and has there been a change in behavior there? Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:22:19Yeah, thank you, Jonathan. That's Peter. So overall, cost trends are as expected. We also say that both the new members cohort and the returning members cohort are also, from an MCR and VER perspective, trending in the way both in actuals and what we see in the coming quarters, as expected as well. Jonathan YoungResearch Analyst at UBS00:22:49Okay. You know, we didn't hear much on Counterpart Health here. Just any color on how that go-to-market strategy is progressing, if there's been any more bigger wins and kind of, as we look ahead, when can we start seeing contribution things? Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:23:06Yeah. Hey, Jonathan, it's Andrew. Yes, definitely remain excited about the Counterpart business, and we are looking to provide more updates on that as we go out throughout the year. We remind everybody that we are not necessarily intending to make announcements around every single deal that we make around there. However, we remain excited about it. All contributions, revenue, et cetera, will, of course, be in the consolidated financials as well. We are going to be talking more about that as we proceed in the quarter. Right now, we're very focused on making sure that we improve profitability in the insurance segment. Operator00:23:46Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad now. We will go next to Matt Hewitt with Craig-Hallum Capital. Matt HewittSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital00:23:54Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe first up, and kind of sticking with the Counterpart theme, have you had, you know, some, I guess, feedback or how have the initial implementations gone? And what are you hearing from those partners regarding kind of the key metrics that you would be looking for once the platform is implemented and they've kind of had a chance to use it for a little bit? Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:24:19Yeah, thanks. Definitely what we're looking for and what we're aiming to do is to make sure that we deliver the amount of value within our Counterpart customer base as similar to what we see within our own MA plan and within the providers that use the Assistant within our own network. That's what our aim is. That's the power of the software approach, is that we can develop the product. We can then use it to help manage care, to identify diseases earlier within almost any part of the Medicare population, whether it be under our own plan or whether it be with other people's plans, third-party plans. The key KPIs that we're looking for there are, do we still see the engagement with the physicians? Do we still see the earlier diagnosis and management of diseases? Do we still see improvement on the HEDIS side of things? Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:25:15As we said, we're very proud of our performance there. It's all the same metrics that we use within our own plan, but translated into third-party counterpart usage. And our initial data, we feel optimistic on that, and our goal was that those would be effectively equivalent. Matt HewittSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital00:25:29That's great. Maybe shifting gears a little bit, given some of your success over the past, call it, you know, couple of years, has there been any changes in the competitive landscape? Are you seeing some of your peers adapting or, you know, kind of shifting to your model a little bit more? Are you seeing any new competitive entrants? How does that kind of change your game plan, if at all? Thank you. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:25:59Yeah, I think that what we see here is that we have been focused on the PPO and the wide network and managing care within that wide network for quite some time. Others have been focused, and it's perfectly legitimate as a model, with value-based programs within their network, deploying those out, but rarely with a software backing, right? Like most people's development of software has been for employed physicians. It's been for insurance operations. While those are both good things, the assistant, Counterpart Assistant, Clover Assistant, is usable by the broader, wider network, and that is a distinct moat and advantage that we have. That's something we're excited to bring as a model to drive clinical value to lots of different markets, lots of different places. We think we can look after a large percentage of the total Medicare population in the U.S. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:26:49I think that what we're seeing is that others have struggled a bit on the PPO and are pulling back on benefits, are perhaps not really investing as much as they used to, cutting back on marketing, cutting back on commissions. That is just a natural cycle of the market. We are steadying the course. We feel good about where we are. We feel that our model is working. We feel that it is highly differentiated. Matt HewittSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital00:27:13Got it. All right. Thank you. Operator00:27:16Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad now. We'll go next to Richard Close with Canaccord Genuity. Richard CloseManaging Director in Digital and Tech-Enabled Health Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity00:27:27Yes. Congratulations on a great start to the year, first of all. You know, Andrew and Peter, you guys mentioned accelerated growth in the years to come. You talked about, you know, the growth flywheel and expect faster growth next year. Maybe can you break that down a little bit? You know, obviously, your positive rate adjustment for next year and then the four stars, but how are you thinking about the building blocks to growth? Where's the acceleration come from beyond, I guess, you know, the positive on rate and star? Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:28:15Yeah, thank you, Richard. This is Peter. What we see, of course, now also, now that we have experience with a large cohort joining the plan this year, that's a reconfirmation for us to really see the cohort economics for both new members and then also the returning members. That is a large factor as we look at unit economics and profitability going into next year. Yes, absolutely. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:28:45The rate notice will be a tailwind, but with our model, we do not necessarily need that, if you will. We are, of course, now looking at bids, so more news to come there. You know, some likelihood, there will be some adjustments there from a benefit perspective. Of course, we also have, of course, the cost actions we have taken as well. We will have more leverage from an SD&A perspective also. Lastly, we believe that from our product roadmap, from a Clover Assistant technology perspective, we will have additional impact as well, starting with the clinical side and then, of course, the results flowing through to the financials as well over time. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:29:22Yeah. Just jumping in here, obviously, we are, as a reminder to all, is that we are going from a payment year. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:29:30We're being paid on three and a half stars this year, and we'll be going to a paid on four stars next year, which affects the benchmark. We're looking at what we do, as Peter said, we're still early on and we're not talking about bid just yet, but obviously, we're factoring that into our bid discussions. Others in our market might be moving downwards in our markets on the pressure on their benefits, whereas we can, we think we have room as we are moving upwards. Another dimension on that, as Peter said, was a lot of that's being driven by CA. CA helps our star ratings. We are very proud. We're, you know, the number one plan of over 2,000 lives on HEDIS under the star ratings. That's driven by our technology platform. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:30:09We look to maintain that advantage going forward, which will help us with stars, which will help us with benefits too. Richard CloseManaging Director in Digital and Tech-Enabled Health Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity00:30:15Okay. I guess I have, or my follow-up is somewhat centered on New Jersey. First, in terms of New Jersey, you know, obviously, you have great penetration there. I'm curious, with respect to this accelerating growth, how you think about, like, you know, are you bumping up on, you know, where you can go in New Jersey? Do you have to go to new markets? That's one question. The second part of the question is, you mentioned this affiliated entity related to BER. If you can go into that a little bit more for us as well. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:31:06Yeah, I'll jump in on the first part, Richard. I'll let Peter take the second part. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:31:12Regarding New Jersey, I think we have plenty of room to run. We have plenty of room within that market. We have our full platform deployed there. It's our home state. Like we feel a lot of affection for New Jersey. We have plenty of market share. While we're proud of the market share position we have, we also have room to take on more market share there. So we feel really good about where we are there. That does not mean that we are not going to look at other GOs. That's not what I'm saying. I think we certainly will look at other GOs. Because we are just right around north of 20% market share on non-SNIP in New Jersey, we have plenty of room to go before we become saturated. I'll let Peter take the second part. Yeah. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:31:53Yeah. When comparing BER year-over-year or sequentially quarter over quarter, a couple of things to keep in mind as far as drivers, right? First of all, new members from a BER perspective are a headwind. That is then offset by returning members as well. Of course, we do have a somewhat elevated medics trend as well, but it appears that that is much lower than competitors that do not have a clinically technology-focused approach. There is a little bit of timing as well as far as PPD. Lastly, going back to the CA-enabled affiliate entity that we signaled, I think, last year that we were setting up, it is really meant to drive higher quality and better care for members. Activities that that entity is deploying include, for example, care coordination, care management, and also partnerships with local physicians. Peter KuipersCFO at Clover Health00:32:52So that is a fourth factor if you look at both quarter over quarter and year-over-year BER. Richard CloseManaging Director in Digital and Tech-Enabled Health Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity00:32:58Okay. Thank you. Operator00:33:01Once again, it is Star 1 if you had a question. With no other questions, this will conclude the Q&A portion of today's conference. I would now like to turn the call back over to Andrew Toy for any additional or closing remarks. Andrew ToyCEO at Clover Health00:33:28All right. Thank you all again for joining us today and for the thoughtful questions. We appreciate your interest in Clover and look forward to updating you more in our next call. Have a great evening, everyone. Thank you. Operator00:33:44This concludes today's Clover Health First Quarter 2025 earnings call and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.Read moreParticipantsAnalystsAndrew ToyCEO at Clover HealthMatt HewittSenior Research Analyst at Craig-Hallum CapitalRichard CloseManaging Director in Digital and Tech-Enabled Health Equity Research at Canaccord GenuityJonathan YoungResearch Analyst at UBSRyan SchmidtHead of Investor Relations at Clover HealthPeter KuipersCFO at Clover HealthPowered by