Axalta Coating Systems Q1 2025 Earnings Report

Axalta Coating Systems EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.59
• Consensus EPS: $0.54
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.05
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.48

Axalta Coating Systems Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $1.29 billion
• Expected Revenue: $1.29 billion
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$2.74 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: -2.50%

Axalta Coating Systems Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 5/7/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 8:00AM ET

Axalta Coating Systems (NYSE:AXTA), through its subsidiaries, manufactures, markets, and distributes high-performance coatings systems in North America, Europe, the Middle East, Africa, the Asia Pacific, and Latin America. The company operates through two segments, Performance Coatings and Mobility Coatings. It also offers water and solvent-borne products and systems to repair damaged vehicles for independent body shops, multi-shop operators, and original equipment manufacturer (OEM) dealership body shops. In addition, the company provides functional and decorative liquid, and powder coatings used in various industrial applications, including building materials, cabinet, wood and luxury vinyl flooring and furniture market under the Voltatex, AquaEC, Durapon, Hydropon, UNRIVALED, Ceranamel, Industrial, Corlar Industrial, Tufcote, Imron Industrial, Alesta, Teodur, Nap-Gard, Abcite, and Plascoat brands for powder coatings. Further, it develops and supplies electrocoat, primer, the basecoat, and clearcoat products for OEMs of light and commercial vehicles; and coatings systems for various commercial applications, including HDT, MDT, bus, and rail under the Imron, Imron Elite, Centari, Rival, Corlar epoxy undercoats, and AquaEC brands. The company offers products under the Audurra, Abcite, Alesta, AquaEC, Centari, Ceranamel, Challenger, Chemophan, ColorNet, Cromax, Cromax Mosaic, Durapon 70, Duxone, Harmonized Coating Technologies, Imron ExcelPro, Lutophen, Nason, Spies Hecker, Standox, Stollaquid, Syntopal, Syrox, Raptor, U-POL, and Vermeera brand names. The company was formerly known as Axalta Coating Systems Bermuda Co., Ltd. and changed its name to Axalta Coating Systems Ltd. in August 2014. Axalta Coating Systems Ltd. was founded in 1866 and is headquartered in Glen Mills, Pennsylvania.

Axalta Coating Systems Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Record Q1 financial performance: Adjusted EBITDA reached $270 million, up 4% year-over-year with a 140 basis-point margin expansion (10th consecutive quarter), and adjusted diluted EPS was $0.59, up 16% (7th consecutive quarter).
• Net sales were flat on a constant-currency basis as CoverFlex contributions and positive price mix offset volume declines; operating expenses fell 4% despite wage inflation, capex nearly doubled for productivity investments, and net leverage remained steady at 2.5×.
• Mobility Coatings outperformance: Organic net sales grew 2% in both light-vehicle and commercial-vehicle markets, while Refinish sales fell only 1% versus mid-single-digit industry declines—supported by ~900 net new body-shop wins—and segment margin hit 16.5%, the highest since Q1 2021.
• Tariff exposure is limited to about 10% of inputs, with an estimated $50 million annual impact (≈$25 million in 2025); mitigation plans include insourcing, local raw materials, reformulation, strategic inventory management, and pricing actions.
• 2025 guidance remains strong: Full-year net sales are forecast at $5.30–5.375 billion (≈1% growth at midpoint), EBITDA margins near 22% (≈60 basis-point expansion), and free cash flow of $475–500 million, while Q2 net sales are expected to decline low single digits with EBITDA of $280–290 million and EPS of $0.60–0.63.

Presentation

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Axalta Coating Systems Q1 twenty twenty five Earnings Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the presentation by management. Today's call is being recorded and a replay will be available through May 14.

[Operator]

Those listening after today's call should please note that information provided in the recording will not be updated and therefore may no longer be current. I will now turn the call over to Colleen Lubick, Vice President of Investor Relations.

[Colleen Lubic, Vice President - IR at Axalta Coating Systems]

Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us on the call today to discuss our fiscal twenty twenty five first quarter results. This is Colleen Lubick, Vice President of Investor Relations. Joining me today are Chris Villaverine, CEO and President and Carl Anderson, Chief Financial Officer. We posted our first quarter financial results in our earnings release this morning. As a reminder, you can find additional materials, including today's presentation and associated schedules on the Investor Relations section of our website at axalta.com, which we will be referring to during this call.

[Colleen Lubic, Vice President - IR at Axalta Coating Systems]

Our prepared remarks, the slide presentation and our discussion today may contain forward looking statements reflecting the company's current view of future events and their potential effect on Axalta's operating and financial performance. These statements involve uncertainties and risks and actual results may differ materially from those forward looking statements. Please note that the company is under no obligation to provide updates to these forward looking statements. Our remarks and the slide presentation also contain various non GAAP financial measures. We've included reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures.

[Colleen Lubic, Vice President - IR at Axalta Coating Systems]

Refer to our filings with the SEC for more information. We kindly ask that you limit yourself to one question at a time to give others the opportunity to have their questions addressed. I would like to turn the call over to Chris.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Thank you, Colleen. We are pleased to report another strong quarter of financial results for a first quarter record for adjusted EBITDA and adjusted diluted EPS. I want to thank Axalta's employees for rallying together to deliver our A Plan priorities and maintaining our strong execution and resilient performance. Net sales remained flat to the first quarter of last year on a constant currency basis, with contributions from CoverFlex and a positive price mix mitigating volume declines. Adjusted EBITDA was $270,000,000 representing a 4% increase year over year.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Adjusted EBITDA margin grew by 140 basis points year over year, marking the tenth consecutive quarter of adjusted EBITDA margin growth. Driving A Plan initiatives, improving our operations, and reinvesting in the business remain a top priority for us. Despite wage inflation, operating expenses decreased by 4% from last year due to savings from our transformation initiative introduced in 2024. Capital expenditures have nearly doubled compared to Q1 of twenty twenty four, driven by incremental investments designed to enhance productivity in our operations. Our balance sheet remains robust with total net leverage remaining steady for the year end at 2.5 times.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Adjusted diluted EPS grew by 16% year over year to $0.59 This marks the seventh consecutive quarter of adjusted diluted EPS growth. Innovation is fundamental to enhancing the customer experience. In the first quarter, we are proud to be the recipients of two Edison Awards and a Big Innovation Award. This is the seventh consecutive year that Axalta has earned an Edison Award, which honors industry leading innovations in new products and services. This year, Axalta's Iris Scan and Axalta's MyColor were recognized.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Iris Scan is the first handheld color measurement device for the collision repair industry. It has the ability to capture color sparkle, hue shifting pigments, and gloss to provide an accurate color match for vehicle repairs. Axalta's MyColor offers an innovative color creation delivery process. This technology streamlines automotive OEM approvals, enabling custom colors to be available in as little as four weeks instead of more than a year. We were presented with a big innovation award by the Business Intelligence Group, or our Voltatex product.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Voltatex is a wire enamel that improves the reliability and efficiency of electric vehicles and other high performance electrical systems. These awards underscore our strengths of our product pipeline and our ability to convert investments in R and D and technology into solutions that appeal for our customers and differentiate Axalta's offerings. Let's move to slide four. Three of our four end markets showed macro declines in the quarter. Axalta, however, was able to generate positive organic net sales in both mobility end markets and achieve an organic net sales performance in Refinish above industry trends compared to the same period last year.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

In Refinish, organic net sales decreased by 1% while the industry was down mid single digits based on industry metrics that we track. The external demand pressures experienced in 2024 continue to affect collision claims and body shop repair activity in the first quarter. These factors are driven by insurance premium inflation, increasing repair costs, and waning consumer confidence. Irrespective of industry dynamics, we were able to add approximately 900 net new body shops, grow in adjacencies, and expand further in the economy segment. Organic net sales in light vehicle increased by 2%.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Volume for light vehicle aligned with global auto production, which rose by 1%. We also achieved double digit volume growth year over year in both China and Latin America, surpassing auto production growth in both those geographies. Commercial vehicle organic net sales grew by two percent, while Class eight heavy duty production in North America dropped by 17%. We mitigated industry pressure from the heavy duty truck sector by executing on our commercial transportation solution priorities across various applications, including recreational and public safety vehicles. Additionally, we expanded our presence outside The Americas.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

As a result, together with strong performance in light vehicle and pricecost stability, the Mobility segment's margin expanded by two thirty basis points to 16.5%, the highest margin since first quarter of twenty twenty one. Industrial organic net sales decreased by 4% year over year in line with broader trends. Across our end businesses, we continue to see mixed signals. Industrial production in The United States increased slightly year over year in the first quarter, but contracted in March, while most European economies experienced declines. North American housing declined for the fourth consecutive quarter, causing a slow start to the season for our North American building products business.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Despite these challenges, the team's focus on portfolio mix and productivity improvements resulted in an adjusted EBITDA margin increase for the eighth consecutive quarter. Let's move to slide five. With the increased trade tensions that emerged during the quarter, we wanted to provide some color on Axalta's global landscape. As shown in the presentation, our business is geographically diverse with 38% of our net sales in North America and 16% in Asia Pacific. Most importantly, approximately 90% of our products are manufactured and sold within the same region, significantly reducing our exposure to international tariffs.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Additionally, only about 10% of our total purchases are currently impacted by the new tariffs. The team has already done a fantastic job of maximizing USMCA compliant products in North America, minimizing tariffs across the regions. Based on our current business model, we estimate tariffs imposed in 2025 could now cost approximately $50,000,000 annually, with about $25,000,000 expected to impact in 2025. Carl will take you through how this impacts the guide later in the discussion. Through various means including in sourcing, sourcing raw materials locally, reformulating products, managing strategic inventory, and pricing, we believe we have avenues for structural improvements if tariffs were to become permanent.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

I will now turn the call over to Carl to go through our financial results and updated 2025 guidance.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Thank you, Chris, and good morning everyone. Let's turn to slide six. First quarter net sales decreased by approximately 3% year over year to $1,260,000,000 primarily driven by a 3% unfavorable foreign currency impact and lower volumes, partially offset by positive price mix and contributions from CoverFlex. Gross margins were 34% in the quarter, an increase of 110 basis points over last year. Income from operations increased by $55,000,000 as we had significantly lower restructuring expense compared to a year ago when we announced and started to execute on our 2024 transformation initiative.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Adjusted EBITDA in the quarter was $270,000,000 4 percent above last year, marking another record quarter for adjusted EBITDA performance. Variable costs declined by low single digits, slightly better than anticipated. For the full year 2025, we now believe that raw material costs will be approximately flat year on year, excluding the direct impact of tariffs. Our productivity pipeline remains strong and we expect it to drive sustained improvements to our operating model going forward. SG and A declined 2% when compared to the first quarter of last year and our fixed operating expenses were down approximately 4% inclusive of wage inflation.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

We continue to benefit from savings related to the 2024 transformation initiative. Additionally, incremental cost management initiatives implemented at the start of the year also helped to mitigate the challenges from a weaker macro. And lastly, adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 16% to $0.59 a first quarter record, driven by higher overall earnings and lower interest expense compared to the first quarter of last year. Moving to slide seven. Net sales for Performance Coatings declined three percent year over year to $822,000,000 driven primarily by both lower volumes and unfavorable foreign currency impacts.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

These headwinds were partially offset by contributions from CoverFlex. Refinish net sales decreased 2% to $511,000,000 The incremental contributions from CoverFlex partially offset foreign currency headwinds and volume declines in Europe and North America. Price mix was roughly flat in the quarter as price increases were offset by negative mix impacts. Industrial net sales declined 6% year over year to $311,000,000 due to volume declines predominantly driven by weakness in North America and Europe, partially offset by growth in China. Positive pricemix partially mitigated the impact of unfavorable foreign currency headwinds.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Overall, first quarter Performance Coatings adjusted EBITDA increased 1% year over year to $197,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA margin increased by 100 basis points, 24.1, primarily driven by lower operating expenses and lower variable costs. Let's move to Mobility Coatings' results on slide eight. Mobility Coatings' first quarter 20 20 five net sales were $440,000,000 a decrease of 1% from the prior year, inclusive of a 3% headwind from foreign currency. Light vehicle net sales were down 1% in the first quarter. On a constant currency basis, net sales grew 2% driven by volume growth in China and Latin America, which more than offset anticipated declines in North America and Europe.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Price mix was a low single digit tailwind in the quarter, driven by selective pricing and favorable mix. Commercial vehicle net sales declined 3%, primarily due to foreign currency headwinds. On a constant currency basis, net sales grew 2%, driven primarily by positive price mix. Mobility Coatings adjusted EBITDA in the quarter improved by 15% to $73,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA margin expanded by two thirty basis points versus last year, coming in at 16.5%. Margin expansion in both businesses was primarily driven by positive price mix and a reduction in operating expenses.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Turning to slide nine. Based on the current economic environment, we are updating our market expectations for the year. Uncertainty persists and recent industry data is coming in softer than we were forecasting at the beginning of the year. In our global Refinish business, we now expect the industry to be down low single to mid single digits on a year over year basis, compared to flat to down low single digits previously. Insurance claims data continues to post declines in both North America and Europe.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Repair costs have increased by over 10% since 2022 and the average age of the car park is approaching thirteen years in North America. These industry drivers, along with higher distribution inventory levels in North America, are expected to offset an increase in miles driven. Our strategy remains unchanged as we continue to add new body shops, expand further into the economy segment, accelerate accessory growth and look to add bolt on M and A as evidenced by our execution during the quarter. Overall, we expect our Refinish results to outpace industry trends and deliver strong adjusted EBITDA again this year. For Industrial, we previously anticipated modest low single digit growth year on year, with positive trends in Europe and North America expected in the second half.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

In February 2025, the ISM PMI signaled a second consecutive month of economic expansion. However, the rise in trade tensions and growing consumer pessimism led to a pullback in March manufacturing PMI erasing the gains from January and February. Additionally, GDP growth projections for The US, Europe and China are trending lower. Given the current climate, we now expect the industry to remain flat or to decline low single digits, with a clear outlook for economic expansion dependent on future trade policy developments. Overall, we will continue to execute on our strategy of expanding margin in our industrial business, cost actions and portfolio optimization.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Global auto production for 2025 is now forecasted at just under 88,000,000 units, a 2% decline from last year. Despite recent downward revisions due to tariffs and affordability concerns, we expect to outpace the industry, particularly in China and Brazil due to the successful ramp up of new business wins. For the USMCA Class eight market, the '25 production forecast has been revised down to 255,000 units, a decline of over 20% compared to 332,000 units in 2024. Initially, industry projections were roughly flat year over year, but these were adjusted in April in response to softer consumer trends impacting the freight sector. Our business, however, continues to perform well as we gain new business in commercial transportation solutions and in Brazil, which are all aligned with our A Plan growth strategy.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Let's turn to slide 10 for the second quarter and full year 2025 guidance. In the second quarter, we anticipate macro factors to affect all four end markets, primarily driven by slowing global demand and lower body shop activity in North America. Net sales for the company are projected to decrease low single digits versus the prior year, with partial offsets from pricing actions in CoverFlex. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA is projected to be between $280,000,000 and $290,000,000 and adjusted diluted earnings per share is estimated to be between $0.60 and $0.63 While we expect to execute mitigation strategies and increase prices related to tariffs, we don't expect to see a full run rate of the effects in the second quarter. For the full year, we remain cautious regarding the global demand environment and are slightly revising down our net sales guide based on current industry dynamics.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

We now expect net sales to be in the range of $5,300,000,000 to 5,375,000,000.000 an approximate 1% increase at the midpoint year on year. With the weakening US dollar, we now expect the foreign exchange translation impact on revenue to be about a $25,000,000 headwind year on year compared to $100,000,000 headwind in our previous outlook. Our adjusted EBITDA and adjusted diluted earnings per share outlook remains unchanged as we are driving down operating costs to offset the impact from lower revenue. Adjusted EBITDA margins for the full year are now expected to be close to 22%, expanding approximately 60 basis points over last year. In addition, free cash flow is now expected to be in the range of $475,000,000 to 500,000,000 down slightly from our previous outlook, driven primarily from increased cash outlays from higher restructuring costs.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

I will now hand the call back to Chris.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Thanks, Carl. I want to emphasize that our top priority remains delivering on our A Plan targets. From vast improvements in our safety metrics to supply chain optimization and meaningful business wins, we are transforming the company. Based on our twenty twenty five full year guidance, we are on track to achieve four of our five financial objectives a full year ahead of schedule and the teams are executing well across all pillars. While the macro environment remains uncertain, the strategic actions we have taken enable us to be more stable and resilient through the cycles.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

We have consistently demonstrated our confidence for strong execution, meaningful cost actions and margin expansion. Thank you for joining us today. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the line for Q and A.

[Operator]

You. We'll take our first question from Chris Parkinson with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.

[Christopher Parkinson, Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC]

Great. Thank you so much. Chris and Karl, there are three major things that have happened over the last twelve to eighteen months and it's across cost execution, share gains and ultimately price discipline. A lot of things you spoke about at your Analyst Day last year. Clearly, the world has changed as you've been highlighting in your prepared remarks, but can you just give a little bit more detail on how you're thinking about these three major facets as it relates to the current economic environment?

[Christopher Parkinson, Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC]

Thank you so much.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yeah, good morning, Chris. Thanks for the question. Think all of those three elements that we defined in the A Plan, if you put the five pillars of the A Plan, essentially those are two of the main pillars of the A Plan, whether it's the operational excellence or growth in which we've focused on not only share gains, but also pricing. And I think, as you can see, we've made significant progress through that. What's changed primarily, if you think about where we started a year ago and where we forecasted all four markets, even from an industry forecast, every one of those markets have significantly changed.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

If you look at mobility or light vehicle, we're down about 2,000,000 bills from where we forecasted. If you look at commercial vehicle, we're at 255,000 bills. That's lower than replacement demand at $2.75. If you look at refinish, you have seen significant changes here in terms of market decline. But the amazing thing, or I think what I'm really proud of what we have been able to accomplish is even in that macro environment, all of those three elements have come and played a significant part in our execution strategy.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

From a cost standpoint, the margin expansion that you see consistently quarter over quarter and the EBITDA growth and the EPS performance is all coming from really a lot of the proactive cost actions we took. From a share gain standpoint, you can see that across all at least three of our four end markets, we continue to expand and gain market well beyond the current market environment. And finally, price mix has been a consistent good story for us. So, I would say the strategy continues to work. The A plan is, I think, been a great structure for us and it's really providing the resilience in a tough market.

[Christopher Parkinson, Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC]

Thank you.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Welcome, Chris.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Mike Leithead with Barclays. Your line is now open.

[Michael Leithead, Director - Equity Research at Barclays]

Great. Thanks. Good morning, team. Good morning, Chris. Question on Refinish, you have that Slide nine on the macro, which is helpful.

[Michael Leithead, Director - Equity Research at Barclays]

I think it shows collision claims, body shop activity down something like high single digits on a two year stack. And I think most investors historically have thought about Refinish being a fairly steady industry. So I guess how does your team get comfortable that this is just a macro blip and not something more structural like ADAS or changing consumer insurance behavior? And how, if at all, are you pivoting the refinish business to help handle this downturn?

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yeah, that's a really good question, Mike. And I think if you look at the business and you even go back six to nine quarters, the business has been low to mid single digits claims decline for at least nine quarters. So, we've been facing, let's call it a weak macro in refinish for about nine quarters. And what's driving that? Parts of it, you could argue are structural and parts of it have been, let's call it destocking that happened through the first half of last year related a large distributor LKQ acquiring FinishMaster.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

But if you went through some of the other changes, for example, we have faced three to four years of hyperinflation. We see claims have continued to go down primarily also driven by the cost of repairs and full write offs. Another aspect of this is insurance premiums. If you look from a 23 to a 24 basis have gone up about 20%. So, there's been a lot of factors that have driven the decline.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

If you break it down to consumer confidence here, one of the things you can notice is folks have been pulling collision off their claims and a lot of it is also related to folks also cashing in claims just based on where the economy is. So, to your question is how do you get comfortable around '25 and where the market is going? I think parts of that structural, let's call it change, you might see some light, a sign of light coming on the back half. Insurance claims are starting to flat line. Used car pricing is coming up, which helps.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Miles driven is still continuing to grow up. We see a 1% increase. We had some bad weather last year. And most importantly for me, the way I'm looking at it is the back half of last year we had, let's call it a high single digit decline. So, we're going to start lapping it in the back half of this year.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

So, I do believe there's an opportunity for this to become at least more stable. But if you look at our guide, we're still predicting this to be down mid to high single digits. We've moved our forecast from flat to low single digits to mid to high single digits, mid single digits decline in the back half of the year. So, it kind of gives you a perspective that we're planning for a continued decline here. And any balance or any stability in the market would be a good news story for us.

[Michael Leithead, Director - Equity Research at Barclays]

Thank you so much.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

You're welcome.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Steve Byrne with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

[Steve Byrne, Senior Research Analyst at Bank of America Securities]

Yes, thank you. How much of this 400 basis point margin expansion target for Industrial has already been achieved? And do you have other initiatives that are still playing out this year that will drive that margin? And more importantly, are there other initiatives you're considering beyond the A Plan? I got the impression from your year ago investor event on the tour that the productivity initiatives that you're looking at now are just scratching the surface.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Steve, good morning. It's Carl. I can take that question on industrial. So if I look at the margin performance, in 2024, we were pretty close to driving about 300 basis points of an increase in our industrial margin business or in our industrial business. And I think as we kind of look forward this year, even in a pretty challenging macro, we are planning for the two probably most likely exceed our 400 basis points margin target from an improvement that we laid out a year ago.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

So I think the team has done a very good job of executing on various cost actions internally. I think we're benefiting from our purchasing team and the continued progress that they're making in managing our raw materials and our buy. And then also, I think there are selective pricing actions that the team is beginning to execute and have executed over the last twelve months as well. So I think we feel very good about the margin trajectory of that business. And this year, we'll definitely look at we'll be exceeding the target we laid out back in May of last year.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from John Roberts with Mizuho. Your line is now open.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Good morning, John.

[Operator]

John, please check the mute function on your device. John, your line is open. We will now take our question from Ghisam Panjalevi with Baird. Your line is open.

[Ghansham Panjabi, Senior Research Analyst at Baird]

Hey, guys. Good morning.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Good morning.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Good morning, Ghisam.

[Ghansham Panjabi, Senior Research Analyst at Baird]

Good morning, Chris. I just want to go back to your comments auto refinish and just kind of zooming out to the high level. Many of the factors you've touched on as it relates to affordability and collision claims and insurance, etcetera, are probably going to be quite sticky for a while. So I'm just curious as to thoughts as it relates to what could be the catalyst for the industry from a volume standpoint going forward. And just given your expansion into the broader market, the economy segment, etcetera, for that business, Price mix has been very positive for that segment for a very long time.

[Ghansham Panjabi, Senior Research Analyst at Baird]

Do you see that trend line sort of changing as you adjust your strategy as well towards the economy? Thank you.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yeah. Thanks for the question. Yeah, there are elements of that that is sticky. If you think about where, for example, insurance claims and the broader macro specifically, if consumer confidence continues to wane and folks with inflation sticking where it is, you're right, Ghansham. There's a risk that this stays for a bit longer.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

But if you start then breaking it down into our strategy, what are the things that will drive that? Well, one more thing, there are opportunities for that to break. For example, if you see where the backlogs were when you go back to COVID at body shops, they were quite long. We were talking about twelve weeks to sixteen weeks. That is starting to come down.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And what you can see is with the reduced backlogs, there's an opportunity there for repair costs to also go down over time, which will drive more business back into the body shops. Another element of this is with where the tariffs and where new car pricing is being driven, used car pricing going up also creates an opportunity where you have more folks putting cars into the repair base. And the final aspect of this is as I watch this, the car park continues to increase. So again, I do believe that there are opportunities for this marketplace to improve. We're not counting on that.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And I think what's important to the second half of your question is how are we addressing this? If you look at our Q1 performance on body shop wins, normally we average about 600 body shop net wins a quarter, we hit 900. And if you look back over the last two to three years, we've done about 2,400 to 2,600 net body shop wins. So, I see the strength of our performance in Q1 as a good sign of market share wins. And that's if you go back over that same period of time, what's essentially led to our over performance because the markets had been weak over the last couple of years is our continued win ratio.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

The cool part of this is also then getting into the mainstream and economy business. Obviously, CoverFlex helped us with this. Our market share there is significantly lower than where we are in the premium. As you know, in the premium we lead, Axalta is the leader in refinish. We have over 40% market share, but in mainstream and economy, this is somewhere between 9% to 11%.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

So, we have a great opportunity to grow there. And a lot of the wins that we saw in last quarter was also in this space. This does affect us from, if you look at from a margin perspective, because it's lower than what we have in Refinish. But net net to Axalta, it's accretive. It's a great story for us.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And certainly, what is the strategy that we're going to continue to execute over the next few quarters.

[Ghansham Panjabi, Senior Research Analyst at Baird]

Perfect. Thank you.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

You're welcome.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Your line is now open.

[Kevin McCarthy, Partner at Vertical Research Partners]

Good morning all. Chris, I appreciate the detail that you provided on slide five regarding the gross tariff impacts and the mitigation actions.

[Kevin McCarthy, Partner at Vertical Research Partners]

I was wondering if you could clarify a

[Kevin McCarthy, Partner at Vertical Research Partners]

few things. Is the intent to fully mitigate the tariff impacts that you quantified? And how long might it take for you to accomplish that? And then I'm specifically curious about the bottom action of executing pricing. Have you announced any new pricing actions or if not, you know, what sort of timing are you contemplating for that lever?

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yeah. Good morning, Kevin. Good question. So, stepping back and looking at the impact of tariffs for us, what I talked about was 25,000,000 in this year or a fifty million year impact over the full year. If you break that down and you think about the impact for Axalta, again, as I said in my remarks, 90% is local for local and 10% of raws, even after going back to the announcement we made at the year end call, it's pretty much similar is the impact of raw materials that are going across borders.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And then what I want to break it down to is there are probably about four or five levers we can pull before we look at pricing. And that's certainly the approach we're taking at speed first. And it's primarily, if you start looking at it, have the opportunity to vertically integrate. We have with where volumes are in some of the regions, not so much in China, but certainly in North America, we have the ability to vertically integrate, which is essentially manufacture more in our facilities because we have available capacity. We're working with our supply base to essentially bring in material for local for local.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

So, if they have plants or if they can move capacities around, we're working with that. Specific to Refinish, we're also working on some strategic inventory actions. So, 90 of what we do is we work through distribution and our distribution partners have inventory. So, we're working with them to essentially use up some of the inventory until we determine or have a more clarity on where we're going with tariffs. And finally, there's lots of opportunity to reformulate working with our engineering teams to reformulate products of available supply on continent to be able to offset some of the costs.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And then we will look at pricing. Now, to your question on pricing, we have gone out with pricing as we normally do. We implemented about a 7% pricing, for example, in the beginning of the year in Refinish in North America, about 4% in Europe. These are pricing actions that we took proactively in some regions because we were already facing the impact of the tariff coming in earlier on, the 10% tariff, the 10,000,000 that we talked about in Q1. Those were actions that we took.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Again, as I look at it, it's certainly something that we have in plan to offset. But we're very confident in offsetting the $25,000,000 of tariff impact this year. It might take us probably a quarter, but we'll certainly get it done this year.

[Kevin McCarthy, Partner at Vertical Research Partners]

Very good. Thanks very much.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

You're welcome.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Joshua Spector with UBS. Your line is now open.

[Lucas Beaumont, Director Equity Research Analyst at UBS Group]

Good morning. This is Lucas Spovan on for Josh. So I just wanted to look at the updated EBITDA phasing for the year. You're now kind of pointing to low single digit declines in 2Q, but then shifting to kind of 7% growth in the second half. So on the one hand there, you've got the new wins coming in the half, but on the other, the macro environment is sort of getting weaker with increased headwinds there.

[Lucas Beaumont, Director Equity Research Analyst at UBS Group]

So can you kind of just walk us through your assumptions in the setup there and what's giving you confidence on sort of being able to deliver on that stepped up second half growth outlook? Thanks.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yeah. Thanks, Lucas. Yeah, if you look at just the first half total EBITDA using the midpoint of our current guide, relative to the full year that implies about the first half will be about 48% of our total EBITDA. A year ago, we did about 49. So I think the EBITDA progression year on year is very similar to what we had a year ago.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

To your point, as we think about some of the wins specifically in Brazil are beginning to ramp up in the third quarter, which will provide some significant tailwind as we think about that revenue that will be coming in, in the second half of the year. And then I think as we look at the rest of the businesses as well, we are planning for overall revenue to be slightly higher as we think about it in the second half, just driven by a little bit more stabilization, what Chris pointed out and Refinish as we kind of finish out the year, as well as industrial. We don't forget our industrial business was down about 6% in the first quarter. We believe that trend line will begin to change as we kind of get into the second half.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Jeff Zekaris with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

[Jeffrey Zekauskas, Analyst at JP Morgan]

Thanks very much. Normally, your EBITDA steps up in second quarter from the first quarter, and normally it's more refinish driven. Think you spoke about your refinish prices being flat year over year.

[Jeffrey Zekauskas, Analyst at JP Morgan]

So is the idea that

[Jeffrey Zekauskas, Analyst at JP Morgan]

it might take some time before the benefits of those price increases make themselves felt? And then secondly, can you talk about how the light vehicle market demand felt to you in March and April?

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yeah, thanks, Jeff. Yeah, if I look at you're right, typically Q1 to Q2, you do see a sequential tick up and you're seeing that right with our EBITDA guide, we're going to be up about $15,000,000 EBITDA at midpoint. And if I look at kind of the businesses as well, when you were kind of forecasting to be down about low single digit percent on a year over year basis in the second quarter. But that's still, that is implying that your second quarter revenue will be running probably 50,000,000 to $70,000,000 higher on a sequential basis. So that's still kind of holding true for us embedded in the guide.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

The one thing that Chris referenced regarding some of the cost impacts from tariffs, we are seeing that a little bit of headwind in the second quarter before we can kind of fully recover that. And that's when you'll start seeing some of those pricing actions kind of kick in to provide a full quarter coverage. And then relative to mobility, I think the one point that we wanted to really highlight with that business, the team has done a really just a phenomenal job of continuing the outperformance in China, as well as in Brazil. That is coming in and you can see the margin performance within that business now. Delivered 16.5% EBITDA margin in Q1.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

And as we look forward, even in this challenging macro for autos and what we're forecasting at this point, we expect that mobility business to be running north of 16% for the full year.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Maybe just to add, I think Carl's captured all of it, to add probably a little bit more color. On the Refinish margin, one of the other things that we're working with is working with our distribution partners who have inventory obviously in the system to be able to use up some of that inventory to manage the impact of tariffs. So, that's how we've also defined our Q2 guide. And then when I come back again to add to Carl's points, mean, on the mobility side, certainly the marketplace has been in a great shape, not only if we look at our performance in LatAm and China, but we're also seeing signs of life in North America with currently some of the business plan, the family plans that have been announced by the big three. So, we will wait and see how all this plays out.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Obviously, there is also the challenge of supply chains to make those cars based on the impact of tariffs on things like raw materials and semiconductors. But once we get past that, you do see an opportunity for quite a tailwind also in that marketplace.

[Jeffrey Zekauskas, Analyst at JP Morgan]

Thank you.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

[Vincent Andrews, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Hi. I just wanted to get a little more detail on the free cash flow guidance. It was, I think, a single target before $500,000,000 Now it's $475,000,000 to 500,000,000 So what's causing the sort of introduction of the range in the lower end? And just looking at your cash flow statement, can you remind us what's in that other accrued liabilities bucket that was a $106 drawdown of cash in the quarter?

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yeah. Thanks, Vincent. Yeah. If I look at the free cash flow guide, we did put a range on that. The one thing you'll notice in the first quarter, we had about $11,000,000 of restructuring expense.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

A lot of that was cost actions as we were really kind of getting out in front of some of the headwinds we're seeing from the macro environment. So I would say the bulk of that impact on free cash flow is really driven by just higher restructuring cash outlays that we're going to have in the rest of the year is what kind of drove the range. So overall, we feel very good. It's going be a very solid and very strong free cash flow year for us. And then as I think about your question about other liabilities, the big change there is the bulk of that relates to our annual bonus payment accrual, as well as some additional restructuring charges.

[Vincent Andrews, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley]

Thank you very much.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Aleski Yofraumen from KeyBanc. Your line is now open.

[Aleksey Yefremov, Managing Director & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets]

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Chris, you already spoke about your Refinish value segment. I was hoping to get a little more details on how this segment is doing relative to the broader market. Is this segment benefiting because of its true value nature?

[Aleksey Yefremov, Managing Director & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets]

Or is this segment of consumer not doing as well? And if you can tell us if you're growing in this segment faster than your Refinish business overall in line or slower?

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Sure. Great question. I'll break it into three sections, Alexey. Good morning. The first one is, if you think about it for us, we got into this with CoverFlex, obviously we had UPUB and we put all this together.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And what we were driving is to obviously expand our market share from, let's call it that 10% up. And so, that perspective, CoverFlex as a whole, we're right on, if we look at our 2024 deal metrics, we're right on plan. So, that's working out well. If you look at the second half of your question, how is the market responding? Obviously, this is the, let's call it, this aspect relates to where consumers are a little bit more cautious.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

This is more value driven. So, the consumers here are not so much tied to insurance and these are folks that are making choices on repairing their cars outside insurance or just improving the look of their cars. And from that perspective, the consumer confidence is waning. So, you can see, let's call it here, demand is a little bit weaker. Now, to your last question about how are we performing here?

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

I would say if I looked at just Q1 performance in our win ratio, I would say we're performing above the market here. And you can also see it a little bit in our performance when I look at it in how our margins are trending. Because this is growing faster than our premium business, because we have such significant market share in our premium business. This is obviously a business that we took on to grow. So, is growing faster.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And so, that's a great sign. But again, I would say confidence, the consumer confidence in this market though is probably dropping more than what we're seeing in our premium segment. So, I hope that provides the color you're looking for.

[Aleksey Yefremov, Managing Director & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets]

Great. Thanks, Chris.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

You're welcome.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from John McNulty with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

[Caleb Boehnlein, Equity Research Senior Associate at BMO Capital Markets]

Hey, good morning. This is Caleb on for John. So for the full year sales guide, you lowered that despite FX being less of a headwind than it was at the start of the year, but the EBITDA guide remained intact due to what you said earlier on the cost savings. But you also kept the 30,000,000 to $40,000,000 of cost savings goal for the year. So, maybe could you just talk to like how that's exactly netting out or if there's maybe potential upside to the 30,000,000 to $40,000,000 cost savings you're looking for?

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yeah, I think it's a good question. I think two points on that. I do think overall, off some of the recent cost actions that we've executed, this was really under a different plan than maybe the original transformation initiative of the 30,000,000 to $40,000,000 that we're highlighting before. So, we're definitely seeing more opportunities on the cost side and that we're executing on. So, I would say that would be the first point.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

I think the second point is, when we started the year, when we kind of gave a full year outlook at the time, I think there's always of some degree, some level of conservatism as well that we had with the original outlook. And that's coming into play now, especially with revenue with being a little bit softer than we originally were anticipating. And so I would say it was between both of those items that allowed us to be able to hold serve on our EBITDA range at this point.

[Caleb Boehnlein, Equity Research Senior Associate at BMO Capital Markets]

Okay. Thanks for the color and congrats on the quarter.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Thank you.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Mike Harrison with Seaport Research Partners. Your line is now open.

[Mike Harrison, Managing Director and Senior Chemicals Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

Hi, good morning.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Good morning, Mike.

[Mike Harrison, Managing Director and Senior Chemicals Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

Within the Refinish business, you noted that you're seeing customers cashing in claims and with reduced insurance claims, probably a lot of damage or dings and things like that that's not being repaired right now. What does that mean when these damaged vehicles are sold when somebody wants to buy a new car or trade it in for a used car? How much business do you guys have with big resellers like CarMax or AutoNation or other dealership groups? And are you starting to see any growth in that segment of the market for refinish coatings? Thanks.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yes, that's a great question, Mike. I think that's the good news, if there is any good news, is the fact that with new car pricing going up with the possibility of tariffs is what we are seeing is used car pricing going up. And as you look at folks essentially turning in cars into a dealership And the dealership looking at taking that repair cost and essentially splitting it up to your point and looking at things like CarMax, those folks and what they're doing in that space, which provides us an opportunity here to see a lot more cars coming in at some point. Again, I think it's a question of time that drives stability back in the marketplace, because you've seen four to six quarters of, let's call it significant decline in this marketplace. So, do believe that that is a good opportunity for us.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

We have a really strong presence in that marketplace. So, I do think that is an opportunity for us long term. I think a lot of what is driving the current market is as you I'm sure have heard from every call is the level of uncertainty. I think once we have some clarity on the uncertainty, the market dynamics will play out over a period of time. It's just a question of time.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

I think folks are just waiting to make decisions, whether it's the folks like CarMax and the actual repair folks, as well as the consumer itself. So, as I view it, it's just a question of time. And obviously the longer that the uncertainty plays out, that creates a bit of a risk for us. But beyond that, I do believe that there's an opportunity for stabilization in the marketplace over time.

[Mike Harrison, Managing Director and Senior Chemicals Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

Thanks very much.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

You're welcome.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Laurent Souver with BNP. Your line is now open.

[Laurent Favre, Managing Director at BNP Paribas]

Yes, good morning. A question on capital allocation, please. Can you talk about your priorities in terms of cash deployment between deleveraging given uncertainty versus share buybacks or indeed other M and A as we hear that there are some assets on the block? Thank you.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yes, thank you. Yes, so capital allocation for us continues and will remain a significant lever for us to drive value creation for our shareholders going forward. As I look at it, our free cash flow in the first quarter is always a seasonal low point. And if you think about the next three quarters, we expect to deliver about $500,000,000 of cash flow over that time period. So if you look at the capital allocations priority here in the first quarter, we did ramp up our capital expenditures.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

We almost doubled that from what we did a year ago, which was consistent with our A Plan strategy, is we continue to see very significant productivity opportunities within our network. Having said all of that though, if I look at just our interest expense and where that's running at about $180,000,000 that's exactly what we pegged to be the interest expense for 2026. Our net leverage is at 2.5 times. So as we go forward, our plan is really to allocate capital between share repurchases, as well as opportunistic M and A. Just given where we are from an overall interest expense and leverage profile, we are going to continue to naturally delever as we go forward.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

So it does open up those opportunities to be selective and focused really to share buybacks and opportunistic M and A.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And just maybe just to add a little bit on the look on M and A, as I said in the last quarter, I think this is certainly something that we will continue to look at for the rest of the year. From our perspective, I think there were two things that coming in we were trying to solve for Axalta. One was the financial performance and really building the foundation for us to be able to grow. And I think with what we've done with the four out of the five elements of the A plan, we've certainly been able to accomplish that from my perspective, even in the challenging macro. As I think about what is the next evolution of what we have to solve with Axalta, it's really the growth algorithm.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And so, anything that provides a growth vector above our current end markets and that really provides value with the operational emphasis that we have for our shareholders and also for us as a company, I think those are the things that we will continue to look at an opportunistic path, considering where the market plays out today.

[Laurent Favre, Managing Director at BNP Paribas]

Okay. Thank you.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Thank you. You're welcome.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

[David Begleiter, Director at Deutsche Bank]

Thank you. Good morning. Chris, mobility margins, they were very nice in the quarter. Where can they go longer term? Can they get to the upper teens or even 20% longer term?

[David Begleiter, Director at Deutsche Bank]

Thank you.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Good question, David. Good morning. I think we're certainly proud of where that team has done an exceptional job getting the margins. And what's interesting, if you really break it out and pull out of it and look at it, just taking a minute here, is the fact that commercial vehicle has a significantly higher margin than our light vehicle business. And with the significant decline that we saw in Q1, and actually we're forecasting for the rest of the year, you can see what the teams have been able to do with the LightScore business to be able to, and combined to be able to manage the decline in margin.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

The really, really good news story for me there is being proactive in going after and growing the CTS business, which is really looking at RVs and sports utility vehicles and all the ambulances and special fire trucks and getting all those contracts in place and being proactive to see the possibility of a decline and winning all that business. So, that's been a great story. And I think going to your question on margins, if I look at this as a cyclical low point, there is opportunity for upside here in margin. Obviously, I would call it 16 is a good spot for us to start off with. And it's certainly something that we're planning to hold.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

I look forward to maybe talking about some better opportunities. But again, we want to see how we grow in LATAM and also continue to grow in CTS before we can commit to anything here.

[David Begleiter, Director at Deutsche Bank]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Mike Sison with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

[Michael Sison, Managing Director at Wells Fargo Securities]

Hey, good morning. Just one quick one on Refinish. Industry volumes are going to be down this year. What do you think happens to volumes if we do go into a U. S.

[Michael Sison, Managing Director at Wells Fargo Securities]

Recession? And then could you maybe give me a quick history lesson? When was the last time industry volumes were positive or collision claims were positive? And what was the environment? Was it better interest rates, better consumer sentiments?

[Michael Sison, Managing Director at Wells Fargo Securities]

Just sort of maybe a backdrop of when the markets were better.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yeah. I think just looking at data, I would say it's gotta be pre pandemic where volumes have been increasing, to be honest with you. And if I look at it, I certainly, if I look at my tenure here, and I would say that in the last nine quarters, we have continued to see volume declines. And obviously claims have also declined during that time. If you look at our industry, our business specifically in Refinish though, if you went back even beyond the nine quarters and you went right back to the pandemic and looked at four years or sixteen quarters, this business has consistently grown sales and performed financially quarter over quarter better over the last at least fourteen quarters that I have data in front of me.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And I would tell you the performance is really driven, it's not, I think there's a perspective that this is pricing, but it's really a multitude of, let's call it execution philosophies that they've driven. Whether it's M and A, whether it's growing body shop, net body shops winning. It's the value proposition that they bring to the customers. I look at the fact that whether it's for color or efficiency, we are the best in the marketplace at both of those things. And I can say that because we continue to be the leader in the premium segment.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

So, the consistency of essentially reducing the time and the effort and the cost within our body shops is the reason why this team's won over 10,000 body shops, if I look at that same period of the last three to four years. So, I think that's the strength of our business, even though we have seen volume declines for what I would say is over four to five years. Now, to what the future holds for the business, I think, as I said, I do believe that insurance premiums are flat lining here as I look at Q1. The fact that used car pricing is starting to go up, and also the availability of capacity and let's call it the possibility of repair costs coming down. And you can see this also with actions that certain states are taking.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

They're essentially driving the loss thresholds from 75% up to 85%. I think four states have enacted that. And finally, the fact that we are wrapping high single digit claims increases or decreases from the back half of last year into this year, I do believe that there's an opportunity for this marketplace to stabilize here. So, I hope that gives you some clarity of what I see the back half of twenty five doing.

[Michael Sison, Managing Director at Wells Fargo Securities]

Great. Thank you.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

You're welcome.

[Operator]

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Patrick Cunningham with Citi. Your line is now open.

[Patrick Cunningham, Vice President, Senior Analyst at Citi]

Hi, good morning, and thanks for squeezing me in here. It seems like you're still forecasting some back half growth in industrials, but overall housing sentiment building product is not great with indirect and direct impacts from tariffs, high interest rates. So why does that outlook still hold? And how meaningful are these new business wins from a top line perspective?

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yes. Thanks, Patrick. Yes, as I look at the second half for industrial, we are seeing the market up slightly if I look on a sequential basis. But you're talking probably incrementally 10,000,000 to $15,000,000 higher each quarter, as I think about the third quarter and the fourth quarter from what the run rate was in the second quarter. So not a significant dollar increase, but I will tell you as we think about the base business, the team in Asia Pacific continues to outperform.

[Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO at Axalta Coating Systems]

So we're seeing that growth is helping offset some of the weakness here you're seeing in North America. And I will say Europe has begun to stabilize and showing some pockets of potential growth as well. So I think those are the two areas where we think we have a little bit of higher revenue opportunities in the second half.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Yeah. Maybe just to give a shout out to our team in China. I think even looking at our April results, I would say specifically in what we do for coatings, our VOLTATEX product that we do provide coatings for both motors and what we provide even for, let's call it windings for drones, we provide this product that essentially does a great job in connectivity or conductivity as well as reducing heat. And it's just an exceptional product that we've seen some great growth with. So, the teams have done an exceptional job continuing to grow there.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

China has been a good story for us in our industrial business.

[Patrick Cunningham, Vice President, Senior Analyst at Citi]

Great. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank

[Operator]

you. We have reached our allotted time for questions. I will now turn the program back over to Chris Filivanan for any additional or closing remarks.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

Well, thank you. Before we close, I really want to emphasize that the A Plan is working. We consistently delivered operational excellence and exceeded our financial challenges, financial targets in a challenging macro. Again, I really want to thank the Axalta's employees for uniting around a clear set of priorities. And while we believe the environment in 2025 is somewhat uncertain, I'm confident that our team will perform at the high level that we have, and we're well positioned for when the markets turn around.

[Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director at Axalta Coating Systems]

And with that, thank you for joining us today.

[Operator]

This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time and have a wonderful day.

Participants

Executives

• Colleen Lubic, Vice President - IR
• Chris Villavarayan, President, CEO & Director
• Carl Anderson, Senior VP & CFO

Analysts

• Christopher Parkinson, Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC
• Michael Leithead, Director - Equity Research at Barclays
• Steve Byrne, Senior Research Analyst at Bank of America Securities
• Ghansham Panjabi, Senior Research Analyst at Baird
• Kevin McCarthy, Partner at Vertical Research Partners
• Lucas Beaumont, Director Equity Research Analyst at UBS Group
• Jeffrey Zekauskas, Analyst at JP Morgan
• Vincent Andrews, Managing Director at Morgan Stanley
• Aleksey Yefremov, Managing Director & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets
• Caleb Boehnlein, Equity Research Senior Associate at BMO Capital Markets
• Mike Harrison, Managing Director and Senior Chemicals Analyst at Seaport Research Partners
• Laurent Favre, Managing Director at BNP Paribas
• David Begleiter, Director at Deutsche Bank
• Michael Sison, Managing Director at Wells Fargo Securities
• Patrick Cunningham, Vice President, Senior Analyst at Citi