NASDAQ:ERII Energy Recovery Q1 2025 Earnings Report $6.83 +0.03 (+0.44%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$6.88 +0.05 (+0.73%) As of 07:58 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Energy Recovery EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.13Consensus EPS $0.03Beat/MissMissed by -$0.16One Year Ago EPS-$0.08Energy Recovery Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$8.07 millionExpected Revenue$21.97 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$13.91 millionYoY Revenue Growth-33.10%Energy Recovery Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/7/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, May 7, 2025Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsEnergy Recovery's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Wednesday, November 4, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Energy Recovery Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 7, 2025ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Q1 results were in line with expectations for both revenue and profitability, with the desalination business remaining strong and on track for the year. Energy Recovery believes it will offset the majority of the increased tariff impact in 2025 with only a manageable effect on financial results. The CO2 business is on track toward full commercialization, with three OEMs integrating the PX into rack designs and pilot sites starting this summer, including a newly disclosed collaboration with Hill Phoenix. Management is exploring alternative manufacturing and assembly locations to mitigate tariffs while maintaining in-house ceramic production to preserve key quality standards. Energy Recovery is targeting to offset lost China wastewater revenues by expanding its footprint in India and the U.S., capitalizing on regulatory drivers and water-reuse initiatives. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallEnergy Recovery Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Energy Recovery's first quarter 2025 earnings call. During today's call, Energy Recovery may make projections and other forward-looking statements under the safe harbor provisions contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 regarding future events or the future financial performance of the company. These statements may discuss our business, economic and market outlook, growth expectations, new products and their performance, cost structure, and business strategy. Forward-looking statements are based on information currently available to the company and on management's beliefs, assumptions, estimates, and projections. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties, and other factors. We refer you to documents the company files from time to time with the SEC, specifically the company's annual form 10-K and quarterly form 10-Q. Operator00:01:01These documents identify important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in our projections or forward-looking statements. All statements made during this call are made only as of today, May 7th, 2025, and the company expressly disclaims any intent or obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during this call to reflect subsequent events or circumstances unless otherwise required by law. Our hosts for today's call are David Moon, President and Chief Executive Officer of Energy Recovery, and Mike Mancini, Chief Financial Officer. I would like to now turn the call over to Mr. Moon. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:01:48Thank you, Operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Earlier today, we released a letter to shareholders on the investor relations section of our website that reviews business and financial performance during the quarter. I encourage all of you to read the letter in full. In addition, and in response to investor feedback, I'll make a few opening comments to highlight important takeaways from that letter. First, the first highlight is that Q1 was in line with our expectations regarding revenue and profitability and consistent with another heavily back-end weighted year. Our desalination business remains strong and on track for the year. Turning to tariffs, as we noted during our Q4 earnings call, we are directly affected by tariffs. As tariffs have increased in scope and magnitude during the last two months, so too have our initiatives to offset them. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:02:50We believe we'll be able to offset the majority of the net tariff impact with manageable impact to our financial results for 2025. Our CO2 business remains on track, and we're making clear progress towards full commercialization. We now have three OEMs working to integrate the PX into their rack designs and expect all these OEMs to have at least one pilot test site running for the summer season. We're also excited to be able to speak publicly about our work with Hillphoenix for the first time, as noted in our shareholder letter. I'd also like to take this time to reiterate my appreciation for the team here at Energy Recovery. We have experienced a lot of change in the past few quarters, and I'm proud of the resiliency and dedication they've shown. With that, we'll now move to the question and answer portion of our conference call. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:03:48Operator, please open the line for questions. Operator00:03:52If you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Please be prepared to state your question when prompted. Once again, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad to ask a question at this time. Your first question comes from Ryan Finks with B. Riley. Your line is open. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:04:17Hey, Ryan. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:04:17Hey, guys. Thanks for—hey, David. Thanks for taking my questions. Could you start with some broad color on the desal market? What geographies are you enthusiastic about, and any impacts you've seen from a potentially tougher macro backdrop? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:04:37I think as it relates to a tougher macro backdrop, nothing changing. We're still seeing the pipeline very strong. Quoting remains strong. The contracted projects that we're following remain very active. We continue to be very bullish on the desal market, and we continue to be very bullish on the Middle East and North Africa. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:05:07Got it. For the mega project order that was shipped but not recognized as revenue in 1Q, curious what the revenue impact was there to get a sense of how the first quarter might have looked for revenue and for gross margin as well. Mike ManciniCFO at Energy Recovery00:05:26Yeah, Ryan, it was a relatively small order. It was about $2 million. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:05:33Okay. I appreciate that, Mike. Turning to your international footprint strategy, will you be looking to partner with someone in a contract manufacturing capacity or establish your own capacity? Curious your thoughts there. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:05:50Yeah. Our first preference is to go it on our own, right? To establish a 100% owned and operated Energy Recovery facility. That is what we are looking at now. In the short term, could there be an opportunity to partner with someone in order to help get product into China and around the tariffs, possibly? Those are all on the table at the moment, but I would tell you our preference is to do it on our own. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:06:27Appreciate that. Along those lines for wastewater, is there any opportunity to offset some of the lost China revenue this year with sales in other geographies? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:06:39Yeah, we're working on that. The answer is we think the answer is yes. Where it's all going to come from to be determined, but I think there's an opportunity to offset some of that $9 million. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:06:56Great. I'll just ask one more on CO2. Could you talk a little bit about your progress with Hillphoenix and what some of the milestones are that we should be looking for ahead of potential broad deployment of the PX G as a feature in their refrigeration systems? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:07:15Yeah. We are really happy with—so we spent a lot of time working with Hillphoenix last summer with field sites, right, testing during the summer to summer heat period with several Hillphoenix locations in North America. Because we had such good—we made such good progress and had such good results on those test sites, we now have moved into a phase with Hillphoenix where we are talking about integrating the PX G into their CO2 rack design. I would say there are two important milestones between sort of now and sort of Q3 with Hillphoenix. One is getting the commercial agreement done, which we are working on now with Hillphoenix. Number two is getting a test site for the summer with a PX G integrated into a Hillphoenix system. Those would be the next two milestones. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:08:18Great. Appreciate that, Color. I'll hop back into Q. Operator00:08:23Once again, if you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your next call comes from Jeffrey Campbell with Seaport Research. Your line is open. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:08:38Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:08:41Sure. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:08:43With regard to the alternative sourcing for the PX, you've always emphasized the stringent manufacturing quality of the PX as a barrier to entry for competitors. You said you would prefer to do 100% yourself. I was just wondering, where do you think you could move manufacturing and ensure the quality remains robust while providing the tariff production protection from the current production that's not provided? Mike ManciniCFO at Energy Recovery00:09:14Hey, Jeff, this is Mike. Yeah, I think you got to think about a PX in two parts. One is the ceramics, and one is the pressure vessel. We would not, in the short term, move the ceramic manufacturing anywhere. We will do that here. That is really the key of the quality is in the ceramics. No thinking about short-term moving of the ceramics. That goes to some of the quality points we made in the letter. We will not sacrifice that quality. Where we assemble and where we do some of the testing and other things and bringing the vessels and screws and other pipes together is on the table. Longer term, that also goes to why David mentioned of us wanting to do it standalone by ourselves because of our process and our know-how on the ceramic side. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:10:01Thanks. Sort of thinking in an opposite way, are there any long-term advantages to developing an international production presence if the current situation is sort of pushing you toward? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:10:21Yeah. I think what it does is we have the opportunity to get closer to some of our customers. For the foreseeable future, the Middle East and North Africa are going to be both important regions for us, for sure, are today and will continue to be in the near future. If we think about that $550 million pipeline, the majority of that pipeline is in North Africa and the Middle East. Potentially having a location there closer on the ground to those desal facilities and those desal projects could serve us well and could serve our customers much better as well. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:11:07Yeah. I was sort of thinking along the same lines. I thought the deployment of wastewater sales resources also might be a long-term positive in disguise. Can you give us any color on alternative markets besides China that could potentially be positive for ERI solutions? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:11:25Yeah. I think as we think about it, we have a small presence in India today, which we've been really successful with. We've got two people on the ground in India. We're looking to double that this year. We've had early success there. That's certainly a market. There's some regulatory-driven opportunity there as well. We like our chances in India, both this year and into the long term. I think the other market where we have a lot of upside is North America, especially the U.S., and especially the municipality movement around moving to water reuse, especially in states like California. We like it, and we just hired a sales leader for the U.S. business. We'll be looking to add additional resources on the ground in the U.S. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:12:23I think the U.S. is the other market where we like our chances going forward. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:12:30Okay. You made it clear in the shareholder letter you wanted to hold the wastewater guidance for now, which makes perfect sense. It seems as though you—I think you did reaffirm the guidance for the other two divisions. I'm just wondering, what should we think about gross margins for the year with all these moving parts? Mike ManciniCFO at Energy Recovery00:12:53Yeah. We're comfortable with the gross margin guidance that we've given. I think some of the key takeaways from this letter should be that we are very, very focused on margins, both gross and EBITDA net. We think we can—we've reaffirmed gross margin guidance as well. We think we'll fall right in there. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:13:12Okay. My last question, I agree with the earlier remark that the Hillphoenix collaboration is really positive, especially considering that you've been working with these guys off and on since the early days of the CO2 effort. When I read the shareholder letter, it sounded like there were a number of pockets of potential activity with Hillphoenix. Maybe I didn't understand that correctly based on the answer you gave earlier, but I was just wondering, maybe not thinking so much about revenue, but just collaborations or points of touchpoints, if you will, is it possible that there could be some upside by the end of 2025 from what was expected coming into the year? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:13:58Yeah. I think Hillphoenix is a very diverse customer. They not only participate in the retail space, but they also participate in the industrial space. As we build a relationship and get wins with them in the retail space, that's going to open up an opportunity to work closer with them on the industrial, the large warehouse, the food processing, those types of applications. I think Hillphoenix could become a multifaceted customer for us. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:14:37Okay. Great. I appreciate the color. Thanks for taking my questions. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:14:41You're welcome, Jeffrey. Operator00:14:45At this time, there are no further questions in Q. I'd like to turn the call back to David Moon for any further remarks. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:14:53Thank you, Operator. Just a few closing remarks. I think number one is, look, we're confident in our desal CO2 revenue guidance. Our desal, our contracted projects, plus high-probability pipeline gives us visibility into more than 80% of the expected 2025 revenue, plus the desal market remains strong. As it relates to tariffs, we've mitigated most of the tariff impact and are still working on additional options to mitigate the rest. Finally, as it relates to costs, we've been executing on right-sizing our cost structure and also working towards margin expansion for 2025. Thank you all for joining today. That's it, Operator. Operator00:15:42This concludes the call. You may now disconnect. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Energy Recovery's first quarter 2025 earnings call. During today's call, Energy Recovery may make projections and other forward-looking statements under the safe harbor provisions contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 regarding future events or the future financial performance of the company. These statements may discuss our business, economic and market outlook, growth expectations, new products and their performance, cost structure, and business strategy. Forward-looking statements are based on information currently available to the company and on management's beliefs, assumptions, estimates, and projections. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties, and other factors. We refer you to documents the company files from time to time with the SEC, specifically the company's annual form 10-K and quarterly form 10-Q. Operator00:01:01These documents identify important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in our projections or forward-looking statements. All statements made during this call are made only as of today, May 7th, 2025, and the company expressly disclaims any intent or obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during this call to reflect subsequent events or circumstances unless otherwise required by law. Our hosts for today's call are David Moon, President and Chief Executive Officer of Energy Recovery, and Mike Mancini, Chief Financial Officer. I would like to now turn the call over to Mr. Moon. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:01:48Thank you, Operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Earlier today, we released a letter to shareholders on the investor relations section of our website that reviews business and financial performance during the quarter. I encourage all of you to read the letter in full. In addition, and in response to investor feedback, I'll make a few opening comments to highlight important takeaways from that letter. First, the first highlight is that Q1 was in line with our expectations regarding revenue and profitability and consistent with another heavily back-end weighted year. Our desalination business remains strong and on track for the year. Turning to tariffs, as we noted during our Q4 earnings call, we are directly affected by tariffs. As tariffs have increased in scope and magnitude during the last two months, so too have our initiatives to offset them. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:02:50We believe we'll be able to offset the majority of the net tariff impact with manageable impact to our financial results for 2025. Our CO2 business remains on track, and we're making clear progress towards full commercialization. We now have three OEMs working to integrate the PX into their rack designs and expect all these OEMs to have at least one pilot test site running for the summer season. We're also excited to be able to speak publicly about our work with Hillphoenix for the first time, as noted in our shareholder letter. I'd also like to take this time to reiterate my appreciation for the team here at Energy Recovery. We have experienced a lot of change in the past few quarters, and I'm proud of the resiliency and dedication they've shown. With that, we'll now move to the question and answer portion of our conference call. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:03:48Operator, please open the line for questions. Operator00:03:52If you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Please be prepared to state your question when prompted. Once again, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad to ask a question at this time. Your first question comes from Ryan Finks with B. Riley. Your line is open. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:04:17Hey, Ryan. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:04:17Hey, guys. Thanks for—hey, David. Thanks for taking my questions. Could you start with some broad color on the desal market? What geographies are you enthusiastic about, and any impacts you've seen from a potentially tougher macro backdrop? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:04:37I think as it relates to a tougher macro backdrop, nothing changing. We're still seeing the pipeline very strong. Quoting remains strong. The contracted projects that we're following remain very active. We continue to be very bullish on the desal market, and we continue to be very bullish on the Middle East and North Africa. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:05:07Got it. For the mega project order that was shipped but not recognized as revenue in 1Q, curious what the revenue impact was there to get a sense of how the first quarter might have looked for revenue and for gross margin as well. Mike ManciniCFO at Energy Recovery00:05:26Yeah, Ryan, it was a relatively small order. It was about $2 million. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:05:33Okay. I appreciate that, Mike. Turning to your international footprint strategy, will you be looking to partner with someone in a contract manufacturing capacity or establish your own capacity? Curious your thoughts there. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:05:50Yeah. Our first preference is to go it on our own, right? To establish a 100% owned and operated Energy Recovery facility. That is what we are looking at now. In the short term, could there be an opportunity to partner with someone in order to help get product into China and around the tariffs, possibly? Those are all on the table at the moment, but I would tell you our preference is to do it on our own. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:06:27Appreciate that. Along those lines for wastewater, is there any opportunity to offset some of the lost China revenue this year with sales in other geographies? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:06:39Yeah, we're working on that. The answer is we think the answer is yes. Where it's all going to come from to be determined, but I think there's an opportunity to offset some of that $9 million. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:06:56Great. I'll just ask one more on CO2. Could you talk a little bit about your progress with Hillphoenix and what some of the milestones are that we should be looking for ahead of potential broad deployment of the PX G as a feature in their refrigeration systems? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:07:15Yeah. We are really happy with—so we spent a lot of time working with Hillphoenix last summer with field sites, right, testing during the summer to summer heat period with several Hillphoenix locations in North America. Because we had such good—we made such good progress and had such good results on those test sites, we now have moved into a phase with Hillphoenix where we are talking about integrating the PX G into their CO2 rack design. I would say there are two important milestones between sort of now and sort of Q3 with Hillphoenix. One is getting the commercial agreement done, which we are working on now with Hillphoenix. Number two is getting a test site for the summer with a PX G integrated into a Hillphoenix system. Those would be the next two milestones. Ryan FinksAnalyst at B. Riley00:08:18Great. Appreciate that, Color. I'll hop back into Q. Operator00:08:23Once again, if you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your next call comes from Jeffrey Campbell with Seaport Research. Your line is open. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:08:38Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:08:41Sure. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:08:43With regard to the alternative sourcing for the PX, you've always emphasized the stringent manufacturing quality of the PX as a barrier to entry for competitors. You said you would prefer to do 100% yourself. I was just wondering, where do you think you could move manufacturing and ensure the quality remains robust while providing the tariff production protection from the current production that's not provided? Mike ManciniCFO at Energy Recovery00:09:14Hey, Jeff, this is Mike. Yeah, I think you got to think about a PX in two parts. One is the ceramics, and one is the pressure vessel. We would not, in the short term, move the ceramic manufacturing anywhere. We will do that here. That is really the key of the quality is in the ceramics. No thinking about short-term moving of the ceramics. That goes to some of the quality points we made in the letter. We will not sacrifice that quality. Where we assemble and where we do some of the testing and other things and bringing the vessels and screws and other pipes together is on the table. Longer term, that also goes to why David mentioned of us wanting to do it standalone by ourselves because of our process and our know-how on the ceramic side. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:10:01Thanks. Sort of thinking in an opposite way, are there any long-term advantages to developing an international production presence if the current situation is sort of pushing you toward? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:10:21Yeah. I think what it does is we have the opportunity to get closer to some of our customers. For the foreseeable future, the Middle East and North Africa are going to be both important regions for us, for sure, are today and will continue to be in the near future. If we think about that $550 million pipeline, the majority of that pipeline is in North Africa and the Middle East. Potentially having a location there closer on the ground to those desal facilities and those desal projects could serve us well and could serve our customers much better as well. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:11:07Yeah. I was sort of thinking along the same lines. I thought the deployment of wastewater sales resources also might be a long-term positive in disguise. Can you give us any color on alternative markets besides China that could potentially be positive for ERI solutions? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:11:25Yeah. I think as we think about it, we have a small presence in India today, which we've been really successful with. We've got two people on the ground in India. We're looking to double that this year. We've had early success there. That's certainly a market. There's some regulatory-driven opportunity there as well. We like our chances in India, both this year and into the long term. I think the other market where we have a lot of upside is North America, especially the U.S., and especially the municipality movement around moving to water reuse, especially in states like California. We like it, and we just hired a sales leader for the U.S. business. We'll be looking to add additional resources on the ground in the U.S. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:12:23I think the U.S. is the other market where we like our chances going forward. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:12:30Okay. You made it clear in the shareholder letter you wanted to hold the wastewater guidance for now, which makes perfect sense. It seems as though you—I think you did reaffirm the guidance for the other two divisions. I'm just wondering, what should we think about gross margins for the year with all these moving parts? Mike ManciniCFO at Energy Recovery00:12:53Yeah. We're comfortable with the gross margin guidance that we've given. I think some of the key takeaways from this letter should be that we are very, very focused on margins, both gross and EBITDA net. We think we can—we've reaffirmed gross margin guidance as well. We think we'll fall right in there. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:13:12Okay. My last question, I agree with the earlier remark that the Hillphoenix collaboration is really positive, especially considering that you've been working with these guys off and on since the early days of the CO2 effort. When I read the shareholder letter, it sounded like there were a number of pockets of potential activity with Hillphoenix. Maybe I didn't understand that correctly based on the answer you gave earlier, but I was just wondering, maybe not thinking so much about revenue, but just collaborations or points of touchpoints, if you will, is it possible that there could be some upside by the end of 2025 from what was expected coming into the year? David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:13:58Yeah. I think Hillphoenix is a very diverse customer. They not only participate in the retail space, but they also participate in the industrial space. As we build a relationship and get wins with them in the retail space, that's going to open up an opportunity to work closer with them on the industrial, the large warehouse, the food processing, those types of applications. I think Hillphoenix could become a multifaceted customer for us. Jeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport Research00:14:37Okay. Great. I appreciate the color. Thanks for taking my questions. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:14:41You're welcome, Jeffrey. Operator00:14:45At this time, there are no further questions in Q. I'd like to turn the call back to David Moon for any further remarks. David MoonPresident and CEO at Energy Recovery00:14:53Thank you, Operator. Just a few closing remarks. I think number one is, look, we're confident in our desal CO2 revenue guidance. Our desal, our contracted projects, plus high-probability pipeline gives us visibility into more than 80% of the expected 2025 revenue, plus the desal market remains strong. As it relates to tariffs, we've mitigated most of the tariff impact and are still working on additional options to mitigate the rest. Finally, as it relates to costs, we've been executing on right-sizing our cost structure and also working towards margin expansion for 2025. Thank you all for joining today. That's it, Operator. Operator00:15:42This concludes the call. You may now disconnect. Have a wonderful rest of your day. 00:15:48Good.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesDavid MoonPresident and CEOMike ManciniCFOAnalystsJeffrey CampbellSenior Analyst of Cleantech and Sustainability at Seaport ResearchRyan FinksAnalyst at B. RileyPowered by