LON:SNWS Smiths News H1 2025 Earnings Report GBX 66.60 -0.60 (-0.89%) As of 11:58 AM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Smiths News EPS ResultsActual EPSGBX 5.40Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ASmiths News Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ASmiths News Announcement DetailsQuarterH1 2025Date5/7/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, May 7, 2025Conference Call Time7:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Smiths News H1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 7, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Operating profit rose 3.2% to £19.4 million in H1, driven by collectibles sales, contract wins, and cost efficiency measures, placing the group on track to meet FY ’25 expectations. Headline revenues fell 0.6% in the half, with underlying news and magazine revenues down 3.1% excluding contract win annualization, reflecting ongoing sector challenges. The group has secured 91% of existing publisher revenues through to 2029, underpinning revenue visibility and strategic expansion in early‐morning supply chain services. Strategic growth verticals advanced strongly, with collectibles up 4.3%, strategic initiatives up 25%, and the first rollout of a new warehouse management system delivered on time, supporting a £6 million annual investment programme. Average net debt slumped to £1.1 million from £12.5 million and free cash flow rose to £13.3 million, enabling a proposed interim dividend of 1.75 pence per share and reinforcing financial flexibility. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallSmiths News H1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Smiths News investor presentation. Throughout this recorded presentation, investors will be in listen-only mode. Questions are encouraged; they can be submitted at any time via the Q&A tab that's just situated on the right-hand corner of your screen. Please just simply type in your questions and press send. The company may not be in a position to answer every question it receives during the meeting itself. However, the company can review all questions submitted today and will publish those responses where it's appropriate to do so on the Investor Meet Company platform. Before we begin, as usual, we would just like to submit the following poll, and if you could give that your kind attention, I'm sure the company would be most grateful. Operator00:00:35I would now like to hand you over to the Executive Management Team from Smiths News. Jon, good afternoon, sir. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:00:42Thank you, Jake. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Smiths News Interim Results for the 26 weeks ending 1 March 2025. I'm Jon Bunting, CEO of Smiths News, and with me today to talk through our half-year results presentation is Paul Baker, our Group CFO. Starting with the headlines, we've made a good start to the current financial year, and the business is on track to deliver the FY25 results in line with market expectations. We've seen an increase in operating profit, up 3.2%, alongside a strong cash flow performance in the period. As highlighted in our full-year results in November last year, we continue to leverage our news and magazine business whilst also seeking to drive growth. We have made progress across all three growth verticals comprising Smiths News Recycle, New Categories, and Final Mile. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:01:33Our internal investment program has also gathered pace with the successful implementation of a new warehouse management system at one regional hub, and the broader rollout will be complete in this financial year. We have 91% of our existing publisher revenue streams secured to 2029, which not only provide assurance of revenues across the short and medium term but also provides the foundations to support our strategic intent to broaden our early morning end-to-end supply chain solutions. We have again generated strong cash flow in the period and today announced a proposed interim dividend of GBP 1.75 per share. I'll now hand over to Paul to walk through the financials before coming back to discuss each of these points in a little more detail later in the presentation. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:02:23Many thanks, Jon, and good afternoon, everyone. Starting with the financial summary, revenues declined 0.6% in the period, lower than our guidance of a 3-5% decline, supported by the benefit of our 2024 contract wins in London and the Midlands, as well as football and Pokémon collectibles. We will look at revenue in more detail on the next slide. Adjusted operating profit increased by GBP 0.6 million to GBP 19.4 million in the first half, driven by improved sales in collectibles, the annualization of the 2024 contract wins, and increased profit from our growth activities. Importantly, our ongoing cost efficiency program is in line with plan and in the first half delivered another GBP 3 million of gross improvements. Adjusted earnings per share increased by 10% to 5.4 pence, benefiting from the increased operating profit and the lower interest cost under our new banking facility signed in May last year. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:03:28Average net debt has reduced by GBP 11.4 million to GBP 1.1 million, driven by consistent cash flow in the first half, but noting that the ordinary and special dividends were paid in February at the end of the reported period. Just to give a little more color to our revenue numbers, our headline revenue numbers show a decline of 0.6% in the first half, which is again below the 3-5% annual decline which we guide to. Since COVID, our underlying newspaper and magazine performance, which makes up over 90% of our total revenue, has been impacted by a number of things: pricing, contract wins, and last year, the 53rd trading week. For example, the annualization of our additional contract wins last financial year gave a 1.6% benefit year on year, and this drives the majority of the difference between our headline number of a minus 0.6% and guidance. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:04:30If you exclude this annualization, newspapers and magazines showed a decline of -3.1%, which is within our expected range of 3-5%, albeit at the lower end. Collectibles increased in the half by 4.3%, demonstrating the continued popularity of football collections and the increased interest in the latest Pokémon series. Revenue from strategic growth initiatives, while relatively small compared to the headline newspapers and magazines revenue, also contributed to the headline movement, increasing by 25% in the period. Onto the adjusted income statement. Below operating profit, net finance charges in the period are GBP 1.2 million lower than last year, driven by the continued reduction in average debt and the improved commercials in the banking facility signed last year. We recently extended this facility for an additional year to May 2028 and have a remaining option available in 12 months' time to extend further to May 2029. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:05:42With lower finance charges, profit before tax increased by GBP 1.8 million, or 11.3%, to GBP 17.7 million, with earnings per share then increasing by 10% to 5.4 pence. An interim dividend of 1.75 pence, in line with last year, has been approved by the board and will be paid in July. Total free cash flow for the half was an inflow of GBP 13.3 million, an increase of GBP 9.1 million from last year, partly due to a favorable timing of our working capital cycle, but also included the inflows from both the McCall's administrators and the pension tax refund, which are included within adjusting items of GBP 2.1 million. Capital expenditure at GBP 2.3 million is GBP 0.4 million higher than last year, and we expect this rate to accelerate into the second half, in line with our planned increase in investment over the next three years. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:06:47Lease payments have increased by GBP 0.6 million year on year due to inflationary impacts on lease renewals, of which there have been seven over the last 12 months. Net interest and fees are lower than in 2024 by GBP 0.8 million, thanks to the cash impact of the lower levels of borrowing and interest margins mentioned earlier. Over the last 12 months, the business has generated an underlying cash flow of GBP 24.2 million, consistent with the GBP 20-25 million annual inflow the business has been delivering for some time. Additional income, including amounts received from the McCall's administrator and a pension tax refund, have been positive one-offs, recorded in adjusting items of GBP 2.1 million. Over the last two years, we have focused on average net debt as a headline measure, as reported net debt is impacted by the term timing of our working capital cycle. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:07:51Average net debt has reduced from GBP 12.5 million in half one 2024 to just GBP 1 million in the first half this year, noting that the dividend payments were made at the end of the period in February and do not significantly impact the average. As a reminder, at the end of the last financial year, we announced a special dividend on top of our two times ordinary dividend. For the current year, the board will again assess the cash generated from trading, along with the needs to invest in both the core and growth sides of the business before deciding on any further distributions in line with our capital allocation policy. I'll now come back to Jon. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:08:30Thank you, Paul. I'll now do a quick refresh of our strategic priorities before looking at our H1 performance in a little more detail. Before I walk through our operational and strategic progress, I wanted to quickly remind everyone of our broader vision for the business. Simply put, our aim is to consolidate our position as one of the U.K.'s leading providers of early morning end-to-end supply chain solutions, and our substantial news and magazine footprint provides an ideal platform to deliver that. We're doing this by making our customers' lives easier and more profitable, enabling them to focus on what they do best. Our existing news and magazine business is a great example of this purpose in action. Our publisher clients could create their own distribution teams, drivers, and van fleet, but this is not what they do best. What they do best is create fabulous content for consumers. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:09:22Having a trusted partner to undertake the logistics execution enables our clients to fully focus on their areas of differentiation. Lastly, our existing capabilities and expertise will ultimately provide the backbone to our success. We already deliver end-to-end services and are able to draw on our significant experience in warehousing, logistics, and reverse logistics. We have an established presence in the all-important early morning and final mile markets, and we are able to leverage our high-density U.K. delivery network to further our growth objectives. Turning to the next slide, we have a very well-established and respected logistics business that has two distinct features: an early morning focus and a high-density B2B final mile delivery and collection capability. We have established our proven expertise in the time-sensitive newspapers and magazines industry, but these core competencies are transferable. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:10:20Our strategy, therefore, seeks to do just that: build out from our existing news and magazine business into three new and targeted verticals that offer the potential to penetrate circa GBP 160 million of profit opportunity. Our strategy strives to exploit that in a controlled and measured way, complementing our news and magazine business. With the news and magazines, we've delivered another robust performance in the period, showing minimal headline revenue decline at just 0.6%, which, as Paul explained, was ahead of our medium-term expectations of an underlying 3-5 percentage point decline. We have 91% of publisher revenues contracted to 2029. Revenues were boosted by collectibles in the period, including strong demand for football collections and the latest Pokémon collection, which has been particularly popular this year. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:11:11We continue to invest in strengthening our core capabilities while simultaneously maintaining our asset-light business model, which supports and enables our ongoing cost-out program. We are on track to deliver circa GBP 5 million of cost savings once again this year, and I'll provide more granularity on our investment in the future capability later in the presentation. Turning to slide 14 to look at our recycling activities in more detail, we are continuing to make progress in expanding our operations and driving up demand from our existing customer base, with customer numbers up 5% versus FY 2024 across over 900 routes. As detailed at the full-year results in November, we have evaluated the economics of this market, which is worth GBP 230 million in revenue, is growing at 3-5 percentage points per annum, and offers an EBITDA margin of 10-15%. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:12:03We have recently commenced a small-scale trial alongside selected routes in the Northwest of England to extend our recycling services to non-news and magazine customers. This trial will be crucial as we seek to build our understanding of potential dynamics and secure customers beyond our existing independent retailers. Part of our trial process will be to assess market appetite for our services alongside a more appropriate and efficient method to acquire new customers. Our aim is to drive a deeper understanding of the broader economics of the sector, notably the cost of acquisition and the cost to serve. The results of the initial trial will determine how we can scale the service across our broader footprint. As we all know, regulation is increasing in this area, with simpler recycling and the returns deposit scheme both set to go live in the next two years. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:12:53We believe both will be helpful in creating further demand for our services. Finally, I'm delighted to say we've appointed a Managing Director to our recycling operation. We have deliberately chosen a highly commercial director from the waste management sector to help us build the capability required to exploit the opportunities in this growth market, both now and indeed in the future. We expect them to join by the start of our new financial year. Moving on to look at our news category. Moving on to look at our new category vertical. This area seeks to capitalize on our Smiths News warehousing and early morning final mile services and diversify the suite of products we deliver. We've continued to make progress in the period, delivering books and home entertainment to multiple national supermarket chains. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:13:42Our ongoing investment in our warehouse management system has enabled us to consolidate activities into a single hub to drive further efficiencies and, importantly, create future capacity for broader expansion. We've also commenced our collaboration with Hallmark in the period, trying the selection and delivery of a bespoke range of Hallmark greeting cards to our independent retailers. This is a good example of our strategy at work. An independent retailer can now get their news, magazines, and collectibles from us, also their greeting cards, and we can collect their recycling. This enables both parties to access the benefits of a deeper relationship, utilizing our existing warehousing and final mile capabilities. Turning to look at the final mile vertical. Our supply chain is the critical element in building this out. We are actively exploring a number of operating models to further understand where we can maximize value across our footprint. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:14:35Smiths News has a unique in-depth knowledge of the dynamics of the early morning final mile delivery market, and we believe we can use this expertise to expand our customer offering in this area. As an example, the engineering parts sector is currently serviced by multiple stock delivery options, including roadside vehicles, lockers, or forward stock locations. We think there is a place for Smiths News within this ecosystem, so we are working to understand how best to maximize our market and revenue opportunities in this area and have commenced a small-scale trial to better understand that market. We are committed to further expanding beyond our traditional operating model, and as highlighted across the presentation, our teams are busy trialing and testing in sectors and areas where we believe we can sensibly evolve our market reach. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:15:24As highlighted in November, our three-year investment program has now commenced, increasing investment to GBP 6 million per annum over the next three years to future-proof the business. Part of this investment will help us optimize warehouse operations and enhance our capabilities and efficiencies to support both existing operations and our growth verticals. We've already implemented a new warehouse management system at a key regional hub, on budget, on time, and with no disruption or service interruption to our existing customers, and we're rolling this out across our other two major hubs during the second half of the year. This additional investment ensures we have the systems and structures in place to maintain our high level of service delivery and remain a trusted partner for our customers across all four verticals. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:16:11In summary, our news and magazine vertical continues to underpin the business's good performance, and our growth verticals are all progressing well. I've outlined a number of ongoing trials across the business, which will provide us with more clarity as we seek to further leverage our early-morning supply chain expertise and expand our offerings. The cost-out initiatives continue to deliver scale savings, and our internal investment program will support both our news and magazine activities alongside recycle, new categories, and final mile. As we did last year, we shall assess our cash generation alongside our investment needs at the end of the year before deciding on further capital allocation in accordance with our policy. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:16:51Pleasingly, Smiths News remains on track to deliver full-year results in line with market expectations, and I look forward to updating you all again in November and very happy to take any questions you may have. Operator00:17:02That's great, Jon, Paul, thank you very much indeed for updating investors. Ladies and gentlemen, please do continue to submit your questions just using the Q&A tab situated on the right-hand corner of your screen. Just while the guys take a few moments to review the questions submitted already, I'd just like to remind you that a recording of this presentation, along with the copy to the slides and the published Q&A, will be available via your Investor Meet Company dashboard. Jon, Paul, you've had a number of questions from investors throughout your presentation, so firstly, thank you to everybody for your engagement. Operator00:17:28If I may just hand back to you, if you could read out the questions where it's appropriate to do so, and I'll pick up from you at the end. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:17:34Yeah, thanks very much. Start with one from LC. Firstly, thank you for the kind comments about what I've worked on and I've done. That's very kind, but the question reads, "My question is regarding collectibles. Based on my personal experience, Pokémon trading cards continue to be extremely popular in the U.K. They're often sold out, and I struggle to find them in supermarkets or retail stores for my kids. What is Management's view on the collectible segment heading into the second half of the year, Jon? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:18:04Yeah, okay. Yeah, I think it's a good observation. I mean, certainly, we've been pleased with our collectible sales in H1. The macro trends of Pokémon and broader football collections continue to be at the heart of our collectibles proposition, and we're expecting a continuation of those positive trends in H2. There will not be a major men's football tournament in the summer, so we won't have the benefit of that this year, but from a collectibles perspective, we're expecting a reasonable second half. In terms of their general availability, I mean, that's really an issue for the manufacturers in this area. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:18:42There is a view, for example, that scarcity can also drive demand, and therefore, I'm not expecting the manufacturers to suddenly start to flood the market with Pokémon products in order to maximize sales because scarcity is also an important marketing tool, I believe, for, but really probably better for Pokémon or the football trade comp providers to answer that in more detail. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:19:09Thanks, Jon. We've got one from Damian Eales about the publisher revenues. When we say we're contracted to 2029, are there any minimum revenue levels, etc.? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:19:20That's a very good question and a simple one to answer. No, there are not any minimum revenues that are guaranteed. What we have secured are the revenues that are available between now and 2029, subject to market performance, and our margin reflects what we both think will happen to sales over that period, and that's part of the contract renegotiation process. We both take a view on our forecast for sales over the five-year period, and then margins reflect that. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:19:51Thanks, Jon. Anita P got a question about this or Testers looking forward. What operating profit mix do you envisage by the end of this decade split between news and magazines distribution versus new growth areas, i.e., recycling? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:20:08It's a great question and not one I'm going to answer. The truth is, you know, we've said quite clearly that we think there's a GBP 160 million profit opportunity for us to attack over the years to come, and we have our own internal targets as to what we think a good result would be. In terms of my answer to that question, if we can find even 5-10 percentage points of market share from that GBP 160 million, then that clearly will be very good news for investors. At this stage in the process, we're not giving external targets for long-term guidance as to what we think the split might look like, either between growth and news and mags or indeed within the growth channels. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:20:49Another one on the growth piece here, Jon, so from Andrew F. How large is the opportunity in delivering additional categories like books or greeting cards, and are these expected to become material contributors to revenue? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:21:04Yeah, I mean, we do believe there's a large opportunity for our business to provide adjacent categories to the ones we're already providing. We've made good progress in this area, both with books and now we have the greeting cards trial, and there's no reason to believe we can't grow both the number of categories we distribute and indeed the number of retailers that we apply that distribution to. Yes, we still see this as a material and scale opportunity. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:21:34Another one here from Idar has got a couple of questions coming up. First one is, do you plan to take any steps to reduce the working capital volatility to have more balance sheet flexibility and possibly higher shareholder distributions? I'll answer that one, Jon. Our working capital isn't volatile, actually. What's volatile is just the reporting date. It's one of the reasons why we look when we try and show what our free cash flow generated over a quarter or a 12-month period looks like, so you can see the consistent cash flow generation. Our working capital, last year was impacted by the year-end and the fact that the publisher payments that happened at the end of the month came into our reporting period, but there really is no real fluctuation in our working capital cycle. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:22:21In fact, our working capital probably has a slight outflow each year driven by the reduction in news and mags as an overall sector, but otherwise is very static. Thanks for the opportunity to answer that question. I was then asked a question around the rough operating margin of the next growth operations outside of news and magazines. We do not actually give an operating margin for our growth activities, and the reason is that we are just starting them and clearly we have some investments to make, and also we are utilizing the vehicles that we use news and mags for, so there is an allocation of costs that we need to get our heads around there from an operating profit point of view. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:23:07It's fair to say, though, as Jon alluded to in the presentation, the EBITDA margin for recycling, 10-15%, what we're seeing internally is above that because we're utilizing the assets that we already have in place, so our internal margins are better than the sector margins that they're seeing. I hope that helps you answer that question. Just find the next one. Seems to be finding a TV companion to return off very soon. Damian C, the next question is, given the strong free cash flow, do you expect to move into average net cash position for the foreseeable future? Great question, Damian, and you will have seen that our average net debt reduced to GBP 1.1 million in the half, albeit that the payment of the special dividend happened at the end of February, so that didn't really impact the half too much. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:24:06We have a capital allocation policy that states we'll run the business at less than one times. It's not our intention just to keep running for cash and keep cash building on the balance sheet. We'd love to, as the capital allocation policy states, invest in our growth initiatives as well as our core business. We'll secure the two times ordinary dividend, and then if there's any M&A, we'll allocate capital that way, and if none of those things require additional capital, we will look to then return funds to shareholders by any means, and we'll look to that at the end of the year. There is one here about share buybacks. We had a pre-loaded question earlier about buybacks, so it's a good opportunity to answer that. This one is just stating from Jon B, would you consider a share buyback? Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:24:59The earlier question, I can't remember, but I think it was from Owen, the original one that was submitted was around how cost of capital and our share price, is it cheaper to be considering share buybacks? Clearly, we have a very, very split view across our register. Some people like income, some people want us to consider share buybacks. We changed our capital allocation policy following our refinancing in May last year. Previously, it stated that all distributions would be by way of special dividend, but we changed that to be more broad, and the board would consider any distributions, and that remains the case, and the board will consider when they look at this again at the end of the year what is the right way to return to shareholders, be that buybacks or specials. We absolutely do look at it. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:25:48It's a good conversation with the board when we do, and people do look at that, but right now, we felt last year was the right thing to do to reward shareholders with the special. We'll look at those opportunities as we go forward. Alan C, good results. May I ask how big is the impact of National Insurance and minimum wage on the business? The National Insurance, which was sort of the incremental piece we did mention in November, so the impact in this year, albeit obviously only from April, is GBP 500,000, which is built into consensus, which you can find on our website. The full-year impact of National Insurance is GBP 1.2 million, so that's the impact that we'll clip this year. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:26:36It's built into consensus, and our cost output helps us offset that, and we'll try and we'll see what happens next year about how much of that incremental GBP 700,000 we can manage as we go into FY2026. One here from Gavin L. Card Factory full-year results were out earlier. They are looking for wholesale customers to deliver their products. What is your greeting card delivery trial offer and who with? Your thoughts on the upside. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:27:10Yeah, so our trial is with Hallmark greeting cards, principally currently in the independent channel, so we focus very much on our independent customers, and our role is to both sign those customers up, so secure new customers, and then deliver the greeting cards and the display units to them. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:27:31Great. A question from David S. Why was the dividend not increased marginally to show confidence? Thanks, David, for that question. It allows me to answer it. Look, we'll look at the full year. I think we've got a two-time stated dividend cover policy. That will be maintained, and we'll look at what the profit looks like at the full year before sort of adjusting up or what the final dividend might look like if we were able to do that. Did not see many points at the half year. The second half will not be as strong as last year. Last year, we had a 53rd trading week and a football tournament, so it will be slightly different. Felt that it was sensible just to keep the interim as it was, and we'll reflect the two times cover at a full-year basis. Question, Jon, from you, I think, from Hill C. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:28:26Can you talk more about the new MD of the recycling business? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:28:30Yeah. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:28:30When will the MD be on board? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:28:32Okay, delighted to do that. Yes, we're delighted to have secured an MD from the waste management space, a proven director with a strong commercial background, and we really wanted to bring those skills on board to ally them to our strong operational skills. I think over the last two years, we've demonstrated that operationally, we're more than capable of managing the recycling opportunity, but our heritage is not in recycling. We felt therefore we needed a leader to come in and bring that market expertise, those relationships that are always important to business, bring them to our business and help us really navigate that opportunity that exists. We're really pleased to have secured someone of that individual's caliber, and we expect them to be on board in time for the start of the new financial year. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:29:19Thanks, Jon. One from David S. Greeting cards sound the perfect fit, especially as high value, low weight, and density items. Are you talking to other card suppliers and how are they delivering their stock lines currently? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:29:36Okay, yeah, good question. I agree with you in terms of fit. Theoretically, it should be a good fit for us for all the reasons you suggest, but no, at this moment in time, we're working exclusively with Hallmark on the trial that we're undertaking. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:29:50Then the final one for now, unless anyone's got any others that you can type quickly, is from Ray B. What effect do you expect as a result of the announced changes at WH Smiths? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:30:02It is very early to judge that, isn't it, to be honest, but our initial conversations with WH Smiths have been encouraging in terms of the desire to retain that estate as the hub of the community and with news and magazines being an important part of that. What I can tell you is they're an important customer of ours, and we'll work closely with them to try and optimize the opportunity that exists for the new management team. Operator00:30:27That's great, Jon Paul. You've taken all the questions from investors, so thank you once again to everybody for your engagement this afternoon. Jon, I know investor feedback will be particularly important to you and to Paul, and I'll shortly redirect those on the call to provide you with their thoughts and their expectations. Before doing so, if I may just come back to you for a couple of closing comments. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:30:45Yeah, thank you. Just four things I'd like to finish by saying, really. I mean, I think we're pleased with where we find ourselves at the H1 mark. It's good to have a set of financials that are once again on plan. We're pleased about that. I think you can see we're making progress on our growth strategy across every vertical, which is important. We've also implemented the first of our future tech implementations, so the warehouse management system that's gone in on time, on budget, and without disruption, so that's great. Overall, we're on plan to make sure that we are delivering our full-year expectations. I think given the macro environment, we're pleased with where we find ourselves. Operator00:31:27That's great. Paul, Jon, thank you very much indeed for updating investors. Could I please ask investors not to close this session as we'll now automatically redirect you for the opportunity to provide your feedback in order that the company can better understand your views and expectations? This may take a few moments to complete, but I'm sure it'll be greatly valued by the company. On behalf of the management team at Smiths News, we'd like to thank you for attending today's presentation and wish you all a good rest of your day. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Smiths News investor presentation. Throughout this recorded presentation, investors will be in listen-only mode. Questions are encouraged; they can be submitted at any time via the Q&A tab that's just situated on the right-hand corner of your screen. Please just simply type in your questions and press send. The company may not be in a position to answer every question it receives during the meeting itself. However, the company can review all questions submitted today and will publish those responses where it's appropriate to do so on the Investor Meet Company platform. Before we begin, as usual, we would just like to submit the following poll, and if you could give that your kind attention, I'm sure the company would be most grateful. Operator00:00:35I would now like to hand you over to the Executive Management Team from Smiths News. Jon, good afternoon, sir. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:00:42Thank you, Jake. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Smiths News Interim Results for the 26 weeks ending 1 March 2025. I'm Jon Bunting, CEO of Smiths News, and with me today to talk through our half-year results presentation is Paul Baker, our Group CFO. Starting with the headlines, we've made a good start to the current financial year, and the business is on track to deliver the FY25 results in line with market expectations. We've seen an increase in operating profit, up 3.2%, alongside a strong cash flow performance in the period. As highlighted in our full-year results in November last year, we continue to leverage our news and magazine business whilst also seeking to drive growth. We have made progress across all three growth verticals comprising Smiths News Recycle, New Categories, and Final Mile. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:01:33Our internal investment program has also gathered pace with the successful implementation of a new warehouse management system at one regional hub, and the broader rollout will be complete in this financial year. We have 91% of our existing publisher revenue streams secured to 2029, which not only provide assurance of revenues across the short and medium term but also provides the foundations to support our strategic intent to broaden our early morning end-to-end supply chain solutions. We have again generated strong cash flow in the period and today announced a proposed interim dividend of GBP 1.75 per share. I'll now hand over to Paul to walk through the financials before coming back to discuss each of these points in a little more detail later in the presentation. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:02:23Many thanks, Jon, and good afternoon, everyone. Starting with the financial summary, revenues declined 0.6% in the period, lower than our guidance of a 3-5% decline, supported by the benefit of our 2024 contract wins in London and the Midlands, as well as football and Pokémon collectibles. We will look at revenue in more detail on the next slide. Adjusted operating profit increased by GBP 0.6 million to GBP 19.4 million in the first half, driven by improved sales in collectibles, the annualization of the 2024 contract wins, and increased profit from our growth activities. Importantly, our ongoing cost efficiency program is in line with plan and in the first half delivered another GBP 3 million of gross improvements. Adjusted earnings per share increased by 10% to 5.4 pence, benefiting from the increased operating profit and the lower interest cost under our new banking facility signed in May last year. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:03:28Average net debt has reduced by GBP 11.4 million to GBP 1.1 million, driven by consistent cash flow in the first half, but noting that the ordinary and special dividends were paid in February at the end of the reported period. Just to give a little more color to our revenue numbers, our headline revenue numbers show a decline of 0.6% in the first half, which is again below the 3-5% annual decline which we guide to. Since COVID, our underlying newspaper and magazine performance, which makes up over 90% of our total revenue, has been impacted by a number of things: pricing, contract wins, and last year, the 53rd trading week. For example, the annualization of our additional contract wins last financial year gave a 1.6% benefit year on year, and this drives the majority of the difference between our headline number of a minus 0.6% and guidance. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:04:30If you exclude this annualization, newspapers and magazines showed a decline of -3.1%, which is within our expected range of 3-5%, albeit at the lower end. Collectibles increased in the half by 4.3%, demonstrating the continued popularity of football collections and the increased interest in the latest Pokémon series. Revenue from strategic growth initiatives, while relatively small compared to the headline newspapers and magazines revenue, also contributed to the headline movement, increasing by 25% in the period. Onto the adjusted income statement. Below operating profit, net finance charges in the period are GBP 1.2 million lower than last year, driven by the continued reduction in average debt and the improved commercials in the banking facility signed last year. We recently extended this facility for an additional year to May 2028 and have a remaining option available in 12 months' time to extend further to May 2029. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:05:42With lower finance charges, profit before tax increased by GBP 1.8 million, or 11.3%, to GBP 17.7 million, with earnings per share then increasing by 10% to 5.4 pence. An interim dividend of 1.75 pence, in line with last year, has been approved by the board and will be paid in July. Total free cash flow for the half was an inflow of GBP 13.3 million, an increase of GBP 9.1 million from last year, partly due to a favorable timing of our working capital cycle, but also included the inflows from both the McCall's administrators and the pension tax refund, which are included within adjusting items of GBP 2.1 million. Capital expenditure at GBP 2.3 million is GBP 0.4 million higher than last year, and we expect this rate to accelerate into the second half, in line with our planned increase in investment over the next three years. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:06:47Lease payments have increased by GBP 0.6 million year on year due to inflationary impacts on lease renewals, of which there have been seven over the last 12 months. Net interest and fees are lower than in 2024 by GBP 0.8 million, thanks to the cash impact of the lower levels of borrowing and interest margins mentioned earlier. Over the last 12 months, the business has generated an underlying cash flow of GBP 24.2 million, consistent with the GBP 20-25 million annual inflow the business has been delivering for some time. Additional income, including amounts received from the McCall's administrator and a pension tax refund, have been positive one-offs, recorded in adjusting items of GBP 2.1 million. Over the last two years, we have focused on average net debt as a headline measure, as reported net debt is impacted by the term timing of our working capital cycle. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:07:51Average net debt has reduced from GBP 12.5 million in half one 2024 to just GBP 1 million in the first half this year, noting that the dividend payments were made at the end of the period in February and do not significantly impact the average. As a reminder, at the end of the last financial year, we announced a special dividend on top of our two times ordinary dividend. For the current year, the board will again assess the cash generated from trading, along with the needs to invest in both the core and growth sides of the business before deciding on any further distributions in line with our capital allocation policy. I'll now come back to Jon. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:08:30Thank you, Paul. I'll now do a quick refresh of our strategic priorities before looking at our H1 performance in a little more detail. Before I walk through our operational and strategic progress, I wanted to quickly remind everyone of our broader vision for the business. Simply put, our aim is to consolidate our position as one of the U.K.'s leading providers of early morning end-to-end supply chain solutions, and our substantial news and magazine footprint provides an ideal platform to deliver that. We're doing this by making our customers' lives easier and more profitable, enabling them to focus on what they do best. Our existing news and magazine business is a great example of this purpose in action. Our publisher clients could create their own distribution teams, drivers, and van fleet, but this is not what they do best. What they do best is create fabulous content for consumers. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:09:22Having a trusted partner to undertake the logistics execution enables our clients to fully focus on their areas of differentiation. Lastly, our existing capabilities and expertise will ultimately provide the backbone to our success. We already deliver end-to-end services and are able to draw on our significant experience in warehousing, logistics, and reverse logistics. We have an established presence in the all-important early morning and final mile markets, and we are able to leverage our high-density U.K. delivery network to further our growth objectives. Turning to the next slide, we have a very well-established and respected logistics business that has two distinct features: an early morning focus and a high-density B2B final mile delivery and collection capability. We have established our proven expertise in the time-sensitive newspapers and magazines industry, but these core competencies are transferable. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:10:20Our strategy, therefore, seeks to do just that: build out from our existing news and magazine business into three new and targeted verticals that offer the potential to penetrate circa GBP 160 million of profit opportunity. Our strategy strives to exploit that in a controlled and measured way, complementing our news and magazine business. With the news and magazines, we've delivered another robust performance in the period, showing minimal headline revenue decline at just 0.6%, which, as Paul explained, was ahead of our medium-term expectations of an underlying 3-5 percentage point decline. We have 91% of publisher revenues contracted to 2029. Revenues were boosted by collectibles in the period, including strong demand for football collections and the latest Pokémon collection, which has been particularly popular this year. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:11:11We continue to invest in strengthening our core capabilities while simultaneously maintaining our asset-light business model, which supports and enables our ongoing cost-out program. We are on track to deliver circa GBP 5 million of cost savings once again this year, and I'll provide more granularity on our investment in the future capability later in the presentation. Turning to slide 14 to look at our recycling activities in more detail, we are continuing to make progress in expanding our operations and driving up demand from our existing customer base, with customer numbers up 5% versus FY 2024 across over 900 routes. As detailed at the full-year results in November, we have evaluated the economics of this market, which is worth GBP 230 million in revenue, is growing at 3-5 percentage points per annum, and offers an EBITDA margin of 10-15%. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:12:03We have recently commenced a small-scale trial alongside selected routes in the Northwest of England to extend our recycling services to non-news and magazine customers. This trial will be crucial as we seek to build our understanding of potential dynamics and secure customers beyond our existing independent retailers. Part of our trial process will be to assess market appetite for our services alongside a more appropriate and efficient method to acquire new customers. Our aim is to drive a deeper understanding of the broader economics of the sector, notably the cost of acquisition and the cost to serve. The results of the initial trial will determine how we can scale the service across our broader footprint. As we all know, regulation is increasing in this area, with simpler recycling and the returns deposit scheme both set to go live in the next two years. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:12:53We believe both will be helpful in creating further demand for our services. Finally, I'm delighted to say we've appointed a Managing Director to our recycling operation. We have deliberately chosen a highly commercial director from the waste management sector to help us build the capability required to exploit the opportunities in this growth market, both now and indeed in the future. We expect them to join by the start of our new financial year. Moving on to look at our news category. Moving on to look at our new category vertical. This area seeks to capitalize on our Smiths News warehousing and early morning final mile services and diversify the suite of products we deliver. We've continued to make progress in the period, delivering books and home entertainment to multiple national supermarket chains. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:13:42Our ongoing investment in our warehouse management system has enabled us to consolidate activities into a single hub to drive further efficiencies and, importantly, create future capacity for broader expansion. We've also commenced our collaboration with Hallmark in the period, trying the selection and delivery of a bespoke range of Hallmark greeting cards to our independent retailers. This is a good example of our strategy at work. An independent retailer can now get their news, magazines, and collectibles from us, also their greeting cards, and we can collect their recycling. This enables both parties to access the benefits of a deeper relationship, utilizing our existing warehousing and final mile capabilities. Turning to look at the final mile vertical. Our supply chain is the critical element in building this out. We are actively exploring a number of operating models to further understand where we can maximize value across our footprint. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:14:35Smiths News has a unique in-depth knowledge of the dynamics of the early morning final mile delivery market, and we believe we can use this expertise to expand our customer offering in this area. As an example, the engineering parts sector is currently serviced by multiple stock delivery options, including roadside vehicles, lockers, or forward stock locations. We think there is a place for Smiths News within this ecosystem, so we are working to understand how best to maximize our market and revenue opportunities in this area and have commenced a small-scale trial to better understand that market. We are committed to further expanding beyond our traditional operating model, and as highlighted across the presentation, our teams are busy trialing and testing in sectors and areas where we believe we can sensibly evolve our market reach. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:15:24As highlighted in November, our three-year investment program has now commenced, increasing investment to GBP 6 million per annum over the next three years to future-proof the business. Part of this investment will help us optimize warehouse operations and enhance our capabilities and efficiencies to support both existing operations and our growth verticals. We've already implemented a new warehouse management system at a key regional hub, on budget, on time, and with no disruption or service interruption to our existing customers, and we're rolling this out across our other two major hubs during the second half of the year. This additional investment ensures we have the systems and structures in place to maintain our high level of service delivery and remain a trusted partner for our customers across all four verticals. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:16:11In summary, our news and magazine vertical continues to underpin the business's good performance, and our growth verticals are all progressing well. I've outlined a number of ongoing trials across the business, which will provide us with more clarity as we seek to further leverage our early-morning supply chain expertise and expand our offerings. The cost-out initiatives continue to deliver scale savings, and our internal investment program will support both our news and magazine activities alongside recycle, new categories, and final mile. As we did last year, we shall assess our cash generation alongside our investment needs at the end of the year before deciding on further capital allocation in accordance with our policy. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:16:51Pleasingly, Smiths News remains on track to deliver full-year results in line with market expectations, and I look forward to updating you all again in November and very happy to take any questions you may have. Operator00:17:02That's great, Jon, Paul, thank you very much indeed for updating investors. Ladies and gentlemen, please do continue to submit your questions just using the Q&A tab situated on the right-hand corner of your screen. Just while the guys take a few moments to review the questions submitted already, I'd just like to remind you that a recording of this presentation, along with the copy to the slides and the published Q&A, will be available via your Investor Meet Company dashboard. Jon, Paul, you've had a number of questions from investors throughout your presentation, so firstly, thank you to everybody for your engagement. Operator00:17:28If I may just hand back to you, if you could read out the questions where it's appropriate to do so, and I'll pick up from you at the end. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:17:34Yeah, thanks very much. Start with one from LC. Firstly, thank you for the kind comments about what I've worked on and I've done. That's very kind, but the question reads, "My question is regarding collectibles. Based on my personal experience, Pokémon trading cards continue to be extremely popular in the U.K. They're often sold out, and I struggle to find them in supermarkets or retail stores for my kids. What is Management's view on the collectible segment heading into the second half of the year, Jon? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:18:04Yeah, okay. Yeah, I think it's a good observation. I mean, certainly, we've been pleased with our collectible sales in H1. The macro trends of Pokémon and broader football collections continue to be at the heart of our collectibles proposition, and we're expecting a continuation of those positive trends in H2. There will not be a major men's football tournament in the summer, so we won't have the benefit of that this year, but from a collectibles perspective, we're expecting a reasonable second half. In terms of their general availability, I mean, that's really an issue for the manufacturers in this area. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:18:42There is a view, for example, that scarcity can also drive demand, and therefore, I'm not expecting the manufacturers to suddenly start to flood the market with Pokémon products in order to maximize sales because scarcity is also an important marketing tool, I believe, for, but really probably better for Pokémon or the football trade comp providers to answer that in more detail. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:19:09Thanks, Jon. We've got one from Damian Eales about the publisher revenues. When we say we're contracted to 2029, are there any minimum revenue levels, etc.? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:19:20That's a very good question and a simple one to answer. No, there are not any minimum revenues that are guaranteed. What we have secured are the revenues that are available between now and 2029, subject to market performance, and our margin reflects what we both think will happen to sales over that period, and that's part of the contract renegotiation process. We both take a view on our forecast for sales over the five-year period, and then margins reflect that. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:19:51Thanks, Jon. Anita P got a question about this or Testers looking forward. What operating profit mix do you envisage by the end of this decade split between news and magazines distribution versus new growth areas, i.e., recycling? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:20:08It's a great question and not one I'm going to answer. The truth is, you know, we've said quite clearly that we think there's a GBP 160 million profit opportunity for us to attack over the years to come, and we have our own internal targets as to what we think a good result would be. In terms of my answer to that question, if we can find even 5-10 percentage points of market share from that GBP 160 million, then that clearly will be very good news for investors. At this stage in the process, we're not giving external targets for long-term guidance as to what we think the split might look like, either between growth and news and mags or indeed within the growth channels. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:20:49Another one on the growth piece here, Jon, so from Andrew F. How large is the opportunity in delivering additional categories like books or greeting cards, and are these expected to become material contributors to revenue? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:21:04Yeah, I mean, we do believe there's a large opportunity for our business to provide adjacent categories to the ones we're already providing. We've made good progress in this area, both with books and now we have the greeting cards trial, and there's no reason to believe we can't grow both the number of categories we distribute and indeed the number of retailers that we apply that distribution to. Yes, we still see this as a material and scale opportunity. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:21:34Another one here from Idar has got a couple of questions coming up. First one is, do you plan to take any steps to reduce the working capital volatility to have more balance sheet flexibility and possibly higher shareholder distributions? I'll answer that one, Jon. Our working capital isn't volatile, actually. What's volatile is just the reporting date. It's one of the reasons why we look when we try and show what our free cash flow generated over a quarter or a 12-month period looks like, so you can see the consistent cash flow generation. Our working capital, last year was impacted by the year-end and the fact that the publisher payments that happened at the end of the month came into our reporting period, but there really is no real fluctuation in our working capital cycle. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:22:21In fact, our working capital probably has a slight outflow each year driven by the reduction in news and mags as an overall sector, but otherwise is very static. Thanks for the opportunity to answer that question. I was then asked a question around the rough operating margin of the next growth operations outside of news and magazines. We do not actually give an operating margin for our growth activities, and the reason is that we are just starting them and clearly we have some investments to make, and also we are utilizing the vehicles that we use news and mags for, so there is an allocation of costs that we need to get our heads around there from an operating profit point of view. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:23:07It's fair to say, though, as Jon alluded to in the presentation, the EBITDA margin for recycling, 10-15%, what we're seeing internally is above that because we're utilizing the assets that we already have in place, so our internal margins are better than the sector margins that they're seeing. I hope that helps you answer that question. Just find the next one. Seems to be finding a TV companion to return off very soon. Damian C, the next question is, given the strong free cash flow, do you expect to move into average net cash position for the foreseeable future? Great question, Damian, and you will have seen that our average net debt reduced to GBP 1.1 million in the half, albeit that the payment of the special dividend happened at the end of February, so that didn't really impact the half too much. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:24:06We have a capital allocation policy that states we'll run the business at less than one times. It's not our intention just to keep running for cash and keep cash building on the balance sheet. We'd love to, as the capital allocation policy states, invest in our growth initiatives as well as our core business. We'll secure the two times ordinary dividend, and then if there's any M&A, we'll allocate capital that way, and if none of those things require additional capital, we will look to then return funds to shareholders by any means, and we'll look to that at the end of the year. There is one here about share buybacks. We had a pre-loaded question earlier about buybacks, so it's a good opportunity to answer that. This one is just stating from Jon B, would you consider a share buyback? Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:24:59The earlier question, I can't remember, but I think it was from Owen, the original one that was submitted was around how cost of capital and our share price, is it cheaper to be considering share buybacks? Clearly, we have a very, very split view across our register. Some people like income, some people want us to consider share buybacks. We changed our capital allocation policy following our refinancing in May last year. Previously, it stated that all distributions would be by way of special dividend, but we changed that to be more broad, and the board would consider any distributions, and that remains the case, and the board will consider when they look at this again at the end of the year what is the right way to return to shareholders, be that buybacks or specials. We absolutely do look at it. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:25:48It's a good conversation with the board when we do, and people do look at that, but right now, we felt last year was the right thing to do to reward shareholders with the special. We'll look at those opportunities as we go forward. Alan C, good results. May I ask how big is the impact of National Insurance and minimum wage on the business? The National Insurance, which was sort of the incremental piece we did mention in November, so the impact in this year, albeit obviously only from April, is GBP 500,000, which is built into consensus, which you can find on our website. The full-year impact of National Insurance is GBP 1.2 million, so that's the impact that we'll clip this year. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:26:36It's built into consensus, and our cost output helps us offset that, and we'll try and we'll see what happens next year about how much of that incremental GBP 700,000 we can manage as we go into FY2026. One here from Gavin L. Card Factory full-year results were out earlier. They are looking for wholesale customers to deliver their products. What is your greeting card delivery trial offer and who with? Your thoughts on the upside. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:27:10Yeah, so our trial is with Hallmark greeting cards, principally currently in the independent channel, so we focus very much on our independent customers, and our role is to both sign those customers up, so secure new customers, and then deliver the greeting cards and the display units to them. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:27:31Great. A question from David S. Why was the dividend not increased marginally to show confidence? Thanks, David, for that question. It allows me to answer it. Look, we'll look at the full year. I think we've got a two-time stated dividend cover policy. That will be maintained, and we'll look at what the profit looks like at the full year before sort of adjusting up or what the final dividend might look like if we were able to do that. Did not see many points at the half year. The second half will not be as strong as last year. Last year, we had a 53rd trading week and a football tournament, so it will be slightly different. Felt that it was sensible just to keep the interim as it was, and we'll reflect the two times cover at a full-year basis. Question, Jon, from you, I think, from Hill C. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:28:26Can you talk more about the new MD of the recycling business? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:28:30Yeah. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:28:30When will the MD be on board? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:28:32Okay, delighted to do that. Yes, we're delighted to have secured an MD from the waste management space, a proven director with a strong commercial background, and we really wanted to bring those skills on board to ally them to our strong operational skills. I think over the last two years, we've demonstrated that operationally, we're more than capable of managing the recycling opportunity, but our heritage is not in recycling. We felt therefore we needed a leader to come in and bring that market expertise, those relationships that are always important to business, bring them to our business and help us really navigate that opportunity that exists. We're really pleased to have secured someone of that individual's caliber, and we expect them to be on board in time for the start of the new financial year. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:29:19Thanks, Jon. One from David S. Greeting cards sound the perfect fit, especially as high value, low weight, and density items. Are you talking to other card suppliers and how are they delivering their stock lines currently? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:29:36Okay, yeah, good question. I agree with you in terms of fit. Theoretically, it should be a good fit for us for all the reasons you suggest, but no, at this moment in time, we're working exclusively with Hallmark on the trial that we're undertaking. Paul BakerCFO at Smiths News00:29:50Then the final one for now, unless anyone's got any others that you can type quickly, is from Ray B. What effect do you expect as a result of the announced changes at WH Smiths? Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:30:02It is very early to judge that, isn't it, to be honest, but our initial conversations with WH Smiths have been encouraging in terms of the desire to retain that estate as the hub of the community and with news and magazines being an important part of that. What I can tell you is they're an important customer of ours, and we'll work closely with them to try and optimize the opportunity that exists for the new management team. Operator00:30:27That's great, Jon Paul. You've taken all the questions from investors, so thank you once again to everybody for your engagement this afternoon. Jon, I know investor feedback will be particularly important to you and to Paul, and I'll shortly redirect those on the call to provide you with their thoughts and their expectations. Before doing so, if I may just come back to you for a couple of closing comments. Jon BuntingCEO at Smiths News00:30:45Yeah, thank you. Just four things I'd like to finish by saying, really. I mean, I think we're pleased with where we find ourselves at the H1 mark. It's good to have a set of financials that are once again on plan. We're pleased about that. I think you can see we're making progress on our growth strategy across every vertical, which is important. We've also implemented the first of our future tech implementations, so the warehouse management system that's gone in on time, on budget, and without disruption, so that's great. Overall, we're on plan to make sure that we are delivering our full-year expectations. I think given the macro environment, we're pleased with where we find ourselves. Operator00:31:27That's great. Paul, Jon, thank you very much indeed for updating investors. Could I please ask investors not to close this session as we'll now automatically redirect you for the opportunity to provide your feedback in order that the company can better understand your views and expectations? This may take a few moments to complete, but I'm sure it'll be greatly valued by the company. On behalf of the management team at Smiths News, we'd like to thank you for attending today's presentation and wish you all a good rest of your day. Thank you.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJon BuntingCEOPaul BakerCFOPowered by