NASDAQ:PGNY Progyny Q1 2025 Earnings Report $20.52 -0.37 (-1.77%) Closing price 05/23/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$20.51 -0.01 (-0.05%) As of 05/23/2025 04:10 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Progyny EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.17Consensus EPS $0.45Beat/MissMissed by -$0.28One Year Ago EPS$0.17Progyny Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$324.04 millionExpected Revenue$307.86 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$16.18 millionYoY Revenue Growth+16.50%Progyny Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/8/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, May 8, 2025Conference Call Time4:45PM ETUpcoming EarningsProgyny's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, August 5, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:45 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Progyny Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 8, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Progyny Inc. First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are on a listen only mode and the floor will be open for questions and comments after the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, James Hart. James, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:00:21Thank you, Tom, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our first quarter conference call. With me today are Pete Oneski, CEO of Progyny Michael Surmer, President and Mark Livingston, CFO. We will begin with some prepared remarks before we open the call for your questions. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that our comments and responses questions today reflect management's views as of today only and will include statements related to our financial outlook for both the second quarter and full year 2025 and the assumptions and drivers underlying such guidance our anticipated number of clients and covered lives for 2025 the demand for our solutions our expectations for our selling season for 2026 launches anticipated employment levels of our clients and the industries that we serve the timing of client decisions our expected utilization rates and mix the potential benefits of our solution our ability to acquire new clients and retain and upsell existing clients our market opportunity and our business strategy, plans, goals and expectations concerning our market position, future operations and other financial and operating information, which are forward looking statements under the federal securities law. Speaker 100:01:30Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or implied by these forward looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with our business as well as other important factors. For a discussion of the material risks, uncertainties, assumptions and other important factors that could impact our actual results, please refer to our SEC filings in today's press release, both of which can be found on our Investor Relations website. Any forward looking statements that we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. During the call, we will also refer to non GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin and incremental revenue. More information about these non GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations with most comparable GAAP measures are available in the press release, which is available at investors.progyny.com. Speaker 100:02:21I would now like to turn the call over to Pete. Speaker 200:02:25Thanks, Jamie. Thanks everyone for joining us today. Pleased to report we've had a good start to the year, double digit growth in both revenue and adjusted EBITDA over the prior year period, yielding record quarterly results for both of those, as well as gross margin expansion and the generation of significant quarterly cash flow. In addition, we also made meaningful progress in laying the foundation for future growth through both our channel partnerships as well as the previously announced investments to expand our product portfolio and platform, enhance our member experience and extend our leading position in women's health and family building. As the second quarter begins, we're seeing that member engagement remains consistent with first quarter levels, both in terms of utilization as well as art cycle consumption. Speaker 200:03:17Following this strong start, we're pleased to be able to raise our full year guidance. The guidance for the remainder of the year continues to reflect a range of engagement and activity taking into account both what we experienced in 2024 as well as the uncertainty in the macro environment, which Mark will detail for you shortly. The forces driving member demand are reflected in the latest market data. The CDC recently reported that birth rates for women 25 and younger are now at record lows, while the rates for women between 30 and 44 continue to increase. To put that into perspective, although the absolute number of babies born in The U. Speaker 200:04:00S. Was down nearly eight percent over the last ten years, the number of babies born to women 30 or over was up 15. This divergence has been happening for decades now, literally, and it clearly shows that people are increasingly deferring family building to later in life. A different statistic that sharply highlights the significance of this shift is that more than fifty one percent of all births in The U. S. Speaker 200:04:28Now come from women aged 30 or older. Not even a generation ago, it was closer to one third. That's a massive difference over a relatively short period of time and illustrates how for many, family building has moved out of our 20s and into our 30s and beyond. The biological reality is that natural conception does become more difficult as we age, which helps to explain the increasing prevalence of infertility across our society, as well as the greater need for medical care and support. And the consequences of this shift reach even further as maternal age increases, employers often see increases in their maternity costs as well, given that age is a contributing factor to high risk pregnancies, high risk deliveries and ongoing neonatal care. Speaker 200:05:21Employers can proactively manage these risks through Progyny's comprehensive solution. Our maternity solution, for example, focuses on whole person care and high cost claims avoidance through high touch clinical management, ensuring that the right care gets delivered to the member at the time that's right for them. This then naturally extends into perimenopause and menopause, where early intervention and specialized symptom management can significantly improve the employee's quality of life, while also avoiding unnecessary costs for the employers from unproductive rounds of care. At this time of year, HR leaders have begun to consider their near and long term benefit strategies, determining what their employee populations need and evaluating solutions to address what's most critical. Given the backdrop I just described, it isn't surprising to see that women's health continues to be a priority for all types of employers. Speaker 200:06:25One reason is that employers recognize the commitment they've made with the workforce to provide health care coverage for the diseases and conditions affecting them. Another is the employment market remains highly competitive and employers want to recruit and retain the best possible talent. This can be seen in the most recent jobs report. The economy has added nearly 600,000 jobs just since January, which comes on top of the 2,000,000 created in 2024, and the unemployment rate has remained at or around 4% for nearly a year. Digging into this more specifically, even though our client base is exceptionally well diversified across 45 different industries, the sectors of the economy that have been driving much of this job growth over the past year, including healthcare, transportation, financial services and manufacturing have been ongoing areas of strength for us. Speaker 200:07:25And while past success isn't necessarily a predictor of the future, we entered this season feeling well positioned and at this point in the year, we're pleased with the level of activity and engagement we've seen thus far. Pipeline in terms of dollars and number of opportunities is comparable to where it was a year ago, even though the average number of lives is lower at this point. The comparable dollars versus prior year are due to the composition of industries and utilization profiles for those prospects. Context, pipeline is still building at this time of year and historically continues to do so through the third quarter. We create pipeline through a number of channels, including our partner relationships, which now includes Cigna as our first national health plan, as well as a number of large regional plans such as Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina and Blue Cross Blue Shield of Alabama, as well as our long standing partners CVS and Evernorth. Speaker 200:08:24New pipeline is also built through conferences, events, inbounds from the benefit consultants and direct outreach. Early commitments thus far are comparable to prior year. In every season, our earliest sales activity tends to be driven mostly by the not nows that have carried over from the prior year. That's been the case this year as well. These are companies who may have had competing priorities that prevented them from making a decision about the benefit last year, but who are in a better position to do so now. Speaker 200:08:56And while new sales are important to our growth, so too is expanding our relationship with existing clients. In any given year, we've typically seen 20% to 25% of the base take additional services with us such as Progyny Rx, additional SMART Cycles or other fertility services such as donor tissue. Last year, 30% of the base expanded in some way with the increment being driven by our newer services in maternity, postpartum and menopause. We are in our first year with these programs and are pleased with the enthusiasm we're seeing in the market. Though these services are expected to contribute up to 10% of revenue by 2028, we aren't expecting a meaningful contribution in the near term, while we continue to penetrate our base and build awareness. Speaker 200:09:47Nonetheless, we believe these services over time will meaningfully increase the diversity in our portfolio and deepen our relationship with clients. So far in 2025, we've expanded the solution even further, adding dual services to our comprehensive maternity offering and launching a parent and child well-being program to provide one on one guidance for child development, return to work assistance and support work life balance. In short, for this renewal and upsell season, we are in market with a broader portfolio of services that enable employers to customize a robust women's health benefit strategy. Let me now turn the call over to Mark to walk you through the quarter. Mark? Speaker 300:10:32Thank you, Pete, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin with our first quarter results and then provide our expectations for the second quarter and full year. First quarter revenue grew 16.5% to $324,000,000 primarily due to an increase in the number of clients in covered lives as compared to a year ago. The growth rate this quarter was somewhat enhanced by the unfavorable treatment mix shift that we highlighted to you a year ago. Though this was short lasting and only impacted the first quarter last year, there was a negative $15,000,000 impact as we disclosed to you at the time. Speaker 300:11:07If we were to normalize for this $15,000,000 revenue this quarter still grew at a double digit rate. As discussed last quarter, revenue for the first half of twenty twenty five will include a large former client who has provided for an extended transition period for members meeting certain criteria. In the first quarter, this contributed approximately $31,000,000 slightly more than the approximately 28,000,000 to $30,000,000 that we had anticipated. Excluding the impact of this client from both 2024 and 2025, first quarter revenue increased 19%. If we further normalize the year ago period for the $15,000,000 in unfavorable mix from the prior year, revenue this quarter increased more than 12. Speaker 300:11:59In short, whichever way you prefer to look at it, this year has begun with solid growth in our core business. As of March 31, we had five thirty two clients with at least 1,000 lives, representing an average of 6,700,000 covered lives in the quarter. This is consistent with what we had expected coming out of the most recent selling season. I'll note that members this quarter do not include the large client under the transition of care agreement. This compares to four fifty one clients and an average of 6,350,000 covered lives in the first quarter a year ago, highlighting how even with the loss of that large client, our member base is still up year over year as expected reinforcing both the scale of the business as well as our diversification. Speaker 300:12:47The substantial majority of our newest clients and lives, one in the 2024 selling season, have already launched at this point and though a handful of relatively small clients are expected to launch in Q2 and Q3. Turning now to our member engagement metrics. Female utilization was 0.46% in the quarter, consistent with the first quarter a year ago. Utilization this quarter does not include the large client under the transition of care agreement as only a limited number of members meeting certain criteria are eligible to use the benefit, which is not comparable and compatible with how we report the members from every other client. Of course, this client's volume is reflected in our reported ART cycles, which will also enable you to continue modeling our volumes and revenue as you've always done. Speaker 300:13:39On that basis, ART cycles this quarter were 16,160, which is our highest quarterly total ever and reflects 9% growth over the year ago period. Today's press release includes a table to also report ART Cycles per unique female utilizer. You'll see 0.45 excuse me, you'll see 0.51 in the first quarter, which is consistent with how 2022 and 2023 began, though down slightly as expected from how 2024 began. As one measure that we're seeing engagement return to more typical levels, I'd highlight that the year over year differential in art cycles per unique has been lessening. For example, in Q3 of last year, this metric was 0.52, which was four basis points below where it was in Q3 of twenty twenty three at 0.56. Speaker 300:14:35Then as of this most recent quarter, that year over year differential halved to two basis points, 0.51 this quarter versus 0.53 in the year ago period. With respect to the components of the top line, fertility revenue increased 22% in the quarter to $2.00 $6,000,000 while pharmacy revenue increased 9% to $118,000,000 The differential in growth rates reflects a comparatively lower proportion of treatments requiring a pharmacy component versus the prior year period, which you can also see reflected in the lower ART cycles per unique. Turning now to our margins and operating expenses. Gross profit increased 21 from the first quarter last year to $76,000,000 This yielded a 23.4% gross margin, an improvement from the 22.4% margin in the prior year period due to the impact of the unfavorable mix shift in the year ago period as well as some other timing items. For the full year, we expect gross margin expansion over 2024, although not quite at the same level as we saw in Q1 due to additional hiring and other investments contemplated in the plan. Speaker 300:15:52Sales and marketing expense was 5.5% of revenue, reflecting a modest improvement from the year ago period as our economies and scale are helping to offset the investments we're making to expand our go to market resources and channel partnership relationships. G and A was 10.4% in the quarter, slightly higher than the first quarter a year ago, reflecting the previously disclosed investments we've begun to make to expand our product platform and integrate our recent acquisitions. We expect these investments will continue to ramp in the second quarter and continue over the remainder of the year. Although dollars of adjusted EBITDA grew 15% to $58,000,000 the impact of our investments is seen as expected in the adjusted EBITDA margin, which declined modestly from the year ago period to 17.8%. Net income was $15,100,000 or $0.17 per diluted share in the quarter. Speaker 300:16:52This compared to net income of $16,900,000 or $0.17 per share in the year ago period. The decrease was primarily due to a higher provision for income taxes including the impact of discrete tax items, which more than offset the higher operating profitability. Adjusted EPS was $0.48 in the quarter, which compares to $0.39 in the year ago period. Turning now to our cash flow and balance sheet. We generated nearly $50,000,000 of operating cash flow in the first quarter, nearly double the prior year period. Speaker 300:17:26The increase is due to the higher profitability as well as the timing of certain working capital items in both periods and reflects our high rate of conversion of adjusted EBITDA to operating cash flow. Looking beyond operating cash flow, you'll see we incurred $2,000,000 in incremental CapEx this quarter as compared to the year ago period. This was expected and reflects the investments we described to you last quarter in our member experience and acquisition integration activities. We continue to expect the incremental CapEx for these projects to be approximately $15,000,000 over our 2024 spend. As of March 31, we had total working capital of $331,000,000 reflecting $256,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities and no debt. Speaker 300:18:17As compared to the year ago period, DSO improved by fourteen days, reflecting our ongoing discipline in revenue cycle management. Though DSO did increase as usual on a sequential basis due to the ordinary seasonality that we see at the beginning of the year driven by the timing of treatments, client starts and other factors. Turning now to our expectations for the second quarter and the year. As the second quarter begins, we've continued to see member engagement at levels that are consistent with the historical range. Nevertheless, given the unexpected variability we experienced at certain times in 2024, the assumptions we're making today reflect the possibility that we'll see further variability in activity and treatments in the future. Speaker 300:19:03As you can see in the table on the last page of today's press release, we continue to expect that full year utilization will remain at 1.02% at the low end and 1.04 at the high end. In terms of consumption, even though the year has begun slightly better than we had originally expected, we're maintaining our assumption on ART cycles per unique at 0.89 at the low end of the range and 0.91 at the high end. With these assumptions, we're projecting between $310,000,000 to $325,000,000 in second quarter revenue, reflecting growth of 2% to 7%. This includes between $12,700,000 and $14,700,000 in contribution from the client under the transition of care arrangement. If we exclude that client's contribution from both periods, second quarter revenue growth is expected to be between 1116%. Speaker 300:19:58On profitability, we expect between 49,000,000 to $53,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter along with net income of between 11,500,000.0 to $14,500,000 This equates to $0.13 and $0.16 of earnings per share or $0.40 and $0.43 of adjusted EPS on the basis of approximately 91,000,000 fully diluted shares. Given our strong start to the year, we're pleased to be in a position to raise our full year guidance. We now project revenue of between 1,185,000,000.000 to $1,235,000,000 reflecting growth of between 1.55.8%. This assumes a contribution of 44,000,000 to 46,000,000 of revenue from the large client under the transition of care agreement. If we exclude that client from both years, our full year revenue growth is estimated to be 11% to 15%. Speaker 300:20:57We also expect between 190,000,000 to $2.00 $3,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA with net income of between $42,400,000 to $51,800,000 This equates to $0.46 and $0.56 earnings per diluted share and $1.54 and $1.64 of adjusted EPS on the basis of approximately 92,000,000 fully diluted shares for the year. And with that, we'd like to now open the call for questions. Operator, can you please provide the instructions? Speaker 400:21:30Thank you very much. We are now opening the floor you. Thank you very much. Your first question is coming from Anne Samuel of JPMorgan. Anne, your line is live. Speaker 500:22:06Great. Thanks. Congrats on the great print tonight. And Pete congratulations on your Time Magazine recognition. Really great to see the emphasis there on fertility benefits as well. Speaker 500:22:17If I were to look at historical seasonality of cycles per utilizer, you tend to have a step up in 2Q from 1Q. But when we look at the guide, it implies kind of a more similar rate in 2Q to 1Q. So I was just curious is that kind of to account for some of the uncertainty that you mentioned? Or is there something else going on that might change kind of the how we should be thinking about the normal seasonality Speaker 200:22:41Hi, Annie, and thanks so much. Yes, we're excited for the recognition. We're proud of what we're doing here. So it's great to see that. As it relates to your question, it is more around having the guidance reflect the uncertainty than it is something that we're seeing is a simple answer. Speaker 500:23:04Helpful. Thank you. Then maybe just one more. You called out the gross margin expansion this quarter and it was up really nicely. I was just wondering can you speak to the drivers there? Speaker 500:23:14And just how we should be thinking about that line for the rest of the year? Thanks. Speaker 300:23:18Yeah. So, I said in my prepared comments, I think you have to take into consideration last year was a bit suppressed given the revenue shortfall from the mix issue. Again, we typically are leveraging our internal folks as revenue grows and that was an unexpected reduction in revenue. So we were a bit suppressed last year. And we had a good quarter this year. Speaker 300:23:46I think again as we continue to make some of the investments that we've been highlighting, a portion of those do actually hit in our cost of services area and will bring gross margins down. We haven't necessarily guided to a specific number for the year, but we do expect it to expand for the full year versus the full year of 2024. Speaker 200:24:09I hope that's helpful. Speaker 500:24:10Very helpful. Thank you. Speaker 400:24:14Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Jalindra Singh of Turist Securities. Jalindra, your line is live. Speaker 600:24:25Thank you and congrats on a strong quarter and congrats Pete on the recognition. I want to follow-up on your comments around the 2026 selling season. I know you guys noted that it is still early and most sales most of sales have been not now from last year. But outside of that, are you seeing any indications of employers putting the RFP process on hold or things taking longer, which could mean the decision making could be a little delayed this year? Related to that you also talked about the sales goal for the year. Speaker 600:24:56Is your sales goal similar to your historical target of adding as many lives that year prior? Of course, it's 1,100,000 lives excluding Amazon. Speaker 700:25:08Yeah. Hey, it's Michael. Thanks for the question. Speaker 800:25:11So first, yeah, our sales goal is the same as it is every year. We're trying to bring on as much new business as we can. And as we said on in Investor Day last summer, we're targeting at least to add 1,000,000 new lives each year. So that's unchanged. As for the pipeline, you sort of referenced it. Speaker 800:25:37It certainly is early and there's certainly a lot more pipeline months ahead of us that we continue to bring on new opportunities. And important sort of from a comparable perspective, the number of opportunities and dollars are comparable to prior year, while we're seeing the average lives lagging a little bit over from last year. That could be a lot of factors as that could be the timing. Certainly, of the macro environments macroeconomic environment aspects could be driving a little bit of that and a little bit of uncertainty in some businesses. But we're certainly seeing a wide array and diversity within employers that we have in the pipeline. Speaker 800:26:27Keith, would you add something? Speaker 200:26:28Yes. Specifically to your question, we're not seeing a slowdown in or sort of pauses, if you will, the way you were describing it in RFP activities or sort of processes that are started. That's not what we're seeing. And so I just wanted to make sure we just answered that question specifically. Speaker 600:26:48Okay. And then my follow-up, I want to ask about the 16.3% incremental adjusted EBITDA margin on incremental revenue in the quarter. Can you share some thoughts on that metric? Where do you see that metric trending near term? And how do you think about the path to getting that metric back to that historical 20% plus longer term? Speaker 200:27:08Yes. So we had talked about it at our previous call at year end when we put out our guidance for the year overall. The expectation for this year in particular due to the incremental investment that is going to hit the P and L as well as incremental investment, which you call that, that will be higher CapEx is, I'll call it one time ish, if you will, right? So overall $15,000,000 of incremental P and L expense relative to the investments in the platform and the product expansion and the investments in the acquisitions that we've made is going to hit the P and L this year makes a big difference relative to margin and incremental revenue. So when you talk about the short term that's sort of how you should look at the year, But those are all really important initiatives that will continue to position us and hold our position as the leader in the space. Speaker 200:28:08Thanks a lot. Speaker 400:28:11Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Michael Cherny of Leerink Partners. Michael, your line is live. Speaker 700:28:22Good morning. Sorry, not good morning, good afternoon. This is Ahmed on for my attorney. Congrats on a great quarter. If I could ask about the new modules that you've been adding. Speaker 700:28:32I appreciate the color you guys gave, but if you could double click on that, which modules are getting the most interest right now? We'd love to get any additional color and how you think about how they will eventually ramp longer term to your longer range targets? Speaker 200:28:48Yes. I think, well, it depends on how you define interest. From a sales perspective, last year and so far earlier this year, all of the modules, if you will, are getting interest, where we had 20% of clients overall last year and as a sales year starting this year by one or more of the new modules. As it relates to engagement with the modules, there's a higher level of engagement with the menopause product. And that reason for that is that it's a much larger addressable audience vis a vis the maternity product. Speaker 200:29:28And so that's probably that's the easiest answer. Speaker 700:29:36Got it. Thank you. And if I could ask another one, are you noticing any incremental concern from employers in your conversations with them about 2026? I know you commented about the selling season, it's really early, but just any sort of hesitation there? I think, again, sort of as I was Speaker 800:29:58referencing earlier, there's certainly opportunities and dollars are comparable to last year. And again lives average lives are lagging a little bit. Again, it's hard to speculate at this time. But certainly, there could be a little bit of the macro environment as a factor creating some uncertainty with some businesses, though it's certainly not all businesses. And that's also why it's important as you look at our book and with over clients in over 45 different industries, right? Speaker 800:30:40That diversification really comes into play here and we're seeing that in the pipeline as well. Speaker 700:30:50Great. Thank you. Congrats. Speaker 400:30:53Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from David Larson of BTIG. David, Speaker 500:31:08your line is open. Speaker 700:31:10Hi. Congratulations on the good quarter and the sort of resurgence in revenue growth. Can you talk about potential new tariffs on your book of business? Could that possibly increase your cost of goods for your members for like the specialty medications or not? And would you be able to sort of pass those along to customers or not? Speaker 700:31:36Just any color there in terms of your own cost base? And then what you might be hearing from clients, customers' health plans? Is this even a topic of discussion or not? Thank you. Speaker 200:31:48Relative to existing tariffs that are announced, not really an impact for us on costs. Relative to comments that are out there around potential tariffs on pharmaceuticals, based on what's been discussed to date, end state drugs don't appear to be something that's being considered in terms of tariffs, but tariffs on potentially materials that go into drug manufacturing. So hard to say to these hard to say if it will have an impact. We do have flexibility in our arrangements with our clients. Should there be an increase, but that's not the only lever that we have. Speaker 200:32:31We would also work with our industry partners to mitigate collectively the impact to plan sponsors is essentially how I think about it. Speaker 700:32:42Okay. And then just another quick one. It seems to me like with the 100 basis point increase in the unemployment rate that we saw last year or the last year and a half with rising interest rates that may have been a factor in like the temporary slowdown in 2024, but it seems to me like that's really stabilized now that we're post election. Just any thoughts on Trump's views on fertility? I think he said he wanted health plans to cover IVF. Speaker 700:33:12Just any thoughts there? Will that have an impact on that? Speaker 200:33:15Thanks. Well, there's an executive order that was put out in February asking for a recommendation around both protecting access as well as addressing affordability. That the readout from that executive order is expected unless it moves, is expected May 19. And so from that perspective, the spirit of the order is positive relative to those two things. Besides that, there's very little information being leaked or otherwise in terms of what direction that recommendation may go. Speaker 200:33:54Hard for me to say how positive it may be or not relative to what that executive order will recommend. But it's recommendations, policy recommendations, it's not legislation as it sits now in terms of how the executive order was written. So we'll see what happens. But again, I start out with my first statement that the spirit of the order is positive relative to IVF. Speaker 700:34:18Okay. Thanks very much. Congrats on a good quarter. I'll hop back in the queue. Speaker 200:34:21Thank you. Speaker 400:34:23Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Sarah James of Cantor Fitzgerald. Sarah, your line is live. Speaker 500:34:32Thank you. You mentioned not anticipating the gross margin beat to continue through the year due to investments. But given the size of the beat, it implies a pretty sizable investment. So could you go into a little bit more detail on what those are? How much is hiring? Speaker 900:34:48And what are Speaker 500:34:48the non staff related investments? Speaker 200:34:51Yes. So overall, we talked about the incremental investment related to both the platform as well as the product capabilities and expansion and the investments in the acquisitions to be that's going to hit the P and L to be roughly overall 15,000,000 The details of it, I'm not sure, would be constructive relative to how much of that is hiring versus other things. But nonetheless, had sized it and that number is still our estimate of the impact for this year. Speaker 500:35:28Got it. And then one follow-up on the tariff discussion. If there are tariffs on some of the ingredients, do you anticipate it could have any impact on the timing of drug shipments or availability? Speaker 200:35:45Again, without any more visibility into what might happen, I don't anticipate that. I'm not sure why a tariff might impact timing of shipments. But beyond that, can't speculate. Speaker 900:36:02Thank you. Speaker 400:36:05Thank you very much. Our next question is coming from Dev Wirasuria and she's from Bank of America. Dev, your line is live. Speaker 900:36:16Hey, thanks for taking my question. Dev on here for Alan Lutz. I'm just trying to understand a little bit about pricing benefits in the guide and in the quarter here. Could you just remind us how much if at all of a pricing benefit is expected in ART cycles for the year? What you're seeing here early on in Q1? Speaker 900:36:41And just maybe just that versus like typical inflation in IVF procedures and costs versus kind of historical ranges? And then I got one more follow-up. Thank you. Speaker 200:36:55Yes. I think you're referring to the growth and how much of the growth is driven by price. The answer is not really any. So it's all a function of engagement and consumption and activity with the benefit as opposed to price. Speaker 900:37:18Okay, great. And is that does the same hold for I guess the pharmacy benefit? I'm just curious how a drug price branded versus generic inflation layers into that for the quarter and I guess expectations for the year there as well? Thank you. Speaker 200:37:33Yes. But the pharmacy benefit is very, very little. There are moderate drug price increases to certain drugs that are incorporated in it. But again, the majority of it is due to the larger number of lives under management and the activity within those members. Speaker 900:37:52Great. Thank you. Speaker 400:37:55Thank you very much. At this time, I don't see any further questions in the queue. I will now hand back over to James for any further comments. Speaker 100:38:04Thank you so much, Jenny. Thanks everyone for joining us this afternoon. Please feel free to reach out to me in the next few days or otherwise I'm sure we'll see many of you next week at the Bank of America Conference. Thanks again for your time. Speaker 400:38:19Thank you very much. That does conclude today's conference call. You may disconnect your phone lines at this time and have a wonderful rest of the day. We thank you for your participation.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Progyny reported 16.5% revenue growth in Q1 to $324 million and achieved record quarterly adjusted EBITDA, driving gross margin expansion and nearly doubling operating cash flow versus Q1 2024. Management raised its full-year guidance, now forecasting $1.185–1.235 billion in revenue and $190–203 million in adjusted EBITDA, reflecting strong year-to-date performance. Demographic trends—record‐low birth rates for women under 25 and a 15% rise in births among women aged 30+ over the past decade—are accelerating demand for Progyny’s fertility, maternity, menopause and perimenopause solutions. Progyny expanded its channel partnerships by adding Cigna as its first national health plan and new regional Blue Cross Blue Shield plans, while pipeline dollars and opportunities remain comparable to the prior year despite lower average lives per prospect. Client diversification and upsell remain strong: Progyny ended Q1 with 532 clients covering 6.7 million lives (up from 451 clients/6.35 million lives a year ago) and 30% of its base adopted new services such as Progyny Rx, maternity, postpartum and menopause offerings. AI Generated. 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Its fertility benefits solution includes differentiated benefits plan design, personalized concierge-style member support services, and selective network of fertility specialists. The company also offers Progyny Rx, an integrated pharmacy benefits solution that provides its members with access to the medications needed during their treatment. In addition, it provides assistance service programs where various services can be offered through a reimbursement program, including adoption, surrogacy, doula, and travel reimbursement when travel is required to receive medical services. The company was formerly known as Auxogyn, Inc. and changed its name to Progyny, Inc. in 2015. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Progyny Inc. First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are on a listen only mode and the floor will be open for questions and comments after the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, James Hart. James, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:00:21Thank you, Tom, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our first quarter conference call. With me today are Pete Oneski, CEO of Progyny Michael Surmer, President and Mark Livingston, CFO. We will begin with some prepared remarks before we open the call for your questions. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that our comments and responses questions today reflect management's views as of today only and will include statements related to our financial outlook for both the second quarter and full year 2025 and the assumptions and drivers underlying such guidance our anticipated number of clients and covered lives for 2025 the demand for our solutions our expectations for our selling season for 2026 launches anticipated employment levels of our clients and the industries that we serve the timing of client decisions our expected utilization rates and mix the potential benefits of our solution our ability to acquire new clients and retain and upsell existing clients our market opportunity and our business strategy, plans, goals and expectations concerning our market position, future operations and other financial and operating information, which are forward looking statements under the federal securities law. Speaker 100:01:30Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or implied by these forward looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with our business as well as other important factors. For a discussion of the material risks, uncertainties, assumptions and other important factors that could impact our actual results, please refer to our SEC filings in today's press release, both of which can be found on our Investor Relations website. Any forward looking statements that we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. During the call, we will also refer to non GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin and incremental revenue. More information about these non GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations with most comparable GAAP measures are available in the press release, which is available at investors.progyny.com. Speaker 100:02:21I would now like to turn the call over to Pete. Speaker 200:02:25Thanks, Jamie. Thanks everyone for joining us today. Pleased to report we've had a good start to the year, double digit growth in both revenue and adjusted EBITDA over the prior year period, yielding record quarterly results for both of those, as well as gross margin expansion and the generation of significant quarterly cash flow. In addition, we also made meaningful progress in laying the foundation for future growth through both our channel partnerships as well as the previously announced investments to expand our product portfolio and platform, enhance our member experience and extend our leading position in women's health and family building. As the second quarter begins, we're seeing that member engagement remains consistent with first quarter levels, both in terms of utilization as well as art cycle consumption. Speaker 200:03:17Following this strong start, we're pleased to be able to raise our full year guidance. The guidance for the remainder of the year continues to reflect a range of engagement and activity taking into account both what we experienced in 2024 as well as the uncertainty in the macro environment, which Mark will detail for you shortly. The forces driving member demand are reflected in the latest market data. The CDC recently reported that birth rates for women 25 and younger are now at record lows, while the rates for women between 30 and 44 continue to increase. To put that into perspective, although the absolute number of babies born in The U. Speaker 200:04:00S. Was down nearly eight percent over the last ten years, the number of babies born to women 30 or over was up 15. This divergence has been happening for decades now, literally, and it clearly shows that people are increasingly deferring family building to later in life. A different statistic that sharply highlights the significance of this shift is that more than fifty one percent of all births in The U. S. Speaker 200:04:28Now come from women aged 30 or older. Not even a generation ago, it was closer to one third. That's a massive difference over a relatively short period of time and illustrates how for many, family building has moved out of our 20s and into our 30s and beyond. The biological reality is that natural conception does become more difficult as we age, which helps to explain the increasing prevalence of infertility across our society, as well as the greater need for medical care and support. And the consequences of this shift reach even further as maternal age increases, employers often see increases in their maternity costs as well, given that age is a contributing factor to high risk pregnancies, high risk deliveries and ongoing neonatal care. Speaker 200:05:21Employers can proactively manage these risks through Progyny's comprehensive solution. Our maternity solution, for example, focuses on whole person care and high cost claims avoidance through high touch clinical management, ensuring that the right care gets delivered to the member at the time that's right for them. This then naturally extends into perimenopause and menopause, where early intervention and specialized symptom management can significantly improve the employee's quality of life, while also avoiding unnecessary costs for the employers from unproductive rounds of care. At this time of year, HR leaders have begun to consider their near and long term benefit strategies, determining what their employee populations need and evaluating solutions to address what's most critical. Given the backdrop I just described, it isn't surprising to see that women's health continues to be a priority for all types of employers. Speaker 200:06:25One reason is that employers recognize the commitment they've made with the workforce to provide health care coverage for the diseases and conditions affecting them. Another is the employment market remains highly competitive and employers want to recruit and retain the best possible talent. This can be seen in the most recent jobs report. The economy has added nearly 600,000 jobs just since January, which comes on top of the 2,000,000 created in 2024, and the unemployment rate has remained at or around 4% for nearly a year. Digging into this more specifically, even though our client base is exceptionally well diversified across 45 different industries, the sectors of the economy that have been driving much of this job growth over the past year, including healthcare, transportation, financial services and manufacturing have been ongoing areas of strength for us. Speaker 200:07:25And while past success isn't necessarily a predictor of the future, we entered this season feeling well positioned and at this point in the year, we're pleased with the level of activity and engagement we've seen thus far. Pipeline in terms of dollars and number of opportunities is comparable to where it was a year ago, even though the average number of lives is lower at this point. The comparable dollars versus prior year are due to the composition of industries and utilization profiles for those prospects. Context, pipeline is still building at this time of year and historically continues to do so through the third quarter. We create pipeline through a number of channels, including our partner relationships, which now includes Cigna as our first national health plan, as well as a number of large regional plans such as Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina and Blue Cross Blue Shield of Alabama, as well as our long standing partners CVS and Evernorth. Speaker 200:08:24New pipeline is also built through conferences, events, inbounds from the benefit consultants and direct outreach. Early commitments thus far are comparable to prior year. In every season, our earliest sales activity tends to be driven mostly by the not nows that have carried over from the prior year. That's been the case this year as well. These are companies who may have had competing priorities that prevented them from making a decision about the benefit last year, but who are in a better position to do so now. Speaker 200:08:56And while new sales are important to our growth, so too is expanding our relationship with existing clients. In any given year, we've typically seen 20% to 25% of the base take additional services with us such as Progyny Rx, additional SMART Cycles or other fertility services such as donor tissue. Last year, 30% of the base expanded in some way with the increment being driven by our newer services in maternity, postpartum and menopause. We are in our first year with these programs and are pleased with the enthusiasm we're seeing in the market. Though these services are expected to contribute up to 10% of revenue by 2028, we aren't expecting a meaningful contribution in the near term, while we continue to penetrate our base and build awareness. Speaker 200:09:47Nonetheless, we believe these services over time will meaningfully increase the diversity in our portfolio and deepen our relationship with clients. So far in 2025, we've expanded the solution even further, adding dual services to our comprehensive maternity offering and launching a parent and child well-being program to provide one on one guidance for child development, return to work assistance and support work life balance. In short, for this renewal and upsell season, we are in market with a broader portfolio of services that enable employers to customize a robust women's health benefit strategy. Let me now turn the call over to Mark to walk you through the quarter. Mark? Speaker 300:10:32Thank you, Pete, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin with our first quarter results and then provide our expectations for the second quarter and full year. First quarter revenue grew 16.5% to $324,000,000 primarily due to an increase in the number of clients in covered lives as compared to a year ago. The growth rate this quarter was somewhat enhanced by the unfavorable treatment mix shift that we highlighted to you a year ago. Though this was short lasting and only impacted the first quarter last year, there was a negative $15,000,000 impact as we disclosed to you at the time. Speaker 300:11:07If we were to normalize for this $15,000,000 revenue this quarter still grew at a double digit rate. As discussed last quarter, revenue for the first half of twenty twenty five will include a large former client who has provided for an extended transition period for members meeting certain criteria. In the first quarter, this contributed approximately $31,000,000 slightly more than the approximately 28,000,000 to $30,000,000 that we had anticipated. Excluding the impact of this client from both 2024 and 2025, first quarter revenue increased 19%. If we further normalize the year ago period for the $15,000,000 in unfavorable mix from the prior year, revenue this quarter increased more than 12. Speaker 300:11:59In short, whichever way you prefer to look at it, this year has begun with solid growth in our core business. As of March 31, we had five thirty two clients with at least 1,000 lives, representing an average of 6,700,000 covered lives in the quarter. This is consistent with what we had expected coming out of the most recent selling season. I'll note that members this quarter do not include the large client under the transition of care agreement. This compares to four fifty one clients and an average of 6,350,000 covered lives in the first quarter a year ago, highlighting how even with the loss of that large client, our member base is still up year over year as expected reinforcing both the scale of the business as well as our diversification. Speaker 300:12:47The substantial majority of our newest clients and lives, one in the 2024 selling season, have already launched at this point and though a handful of relatively small clients are expected to launch in Q2 and Q3. Turning now to our member engagement metrics. Female utilization was 0.46% in the quarter, consistent with the first quarter a year ago. Utilization this quarter does not include the large client under the transition of care agreement as only a limited number of members meeting certain criteria are eligible to use the benefit, which is not comparable and compatible with how we report the members from every other client. Of course, this client's volume is reflected in our reported ART cycles, which will also enable you to continue modeling our volumes and revenue as you've always done. Speaker 300:13:39On that basis, ART cycles this quarter were 16,160, which is our highest quarterly total ever and reflects 9% growth over the year ago period. Today's press release includes a table to also report ART Cycles per unique female utilizer. You'll see 0.45 excuse me, you'll see 0.51 in the first quarter, which is consistent with how 2022 and 2023 began, though down slightly as expected from how 2024 began. As one measure that we're seeing engagement return to more typical levels, I'd highlight that the year over year differential in art cycles per unique has been lessening. For example, in Q3 of last year, this metric was 0.52, which was four basis points below where it was in Q3 of twenty twenty three at 0.56. Speaker 300:14:35Then as of this most recent quarter, that year over year differential halved to two basis points, 0.51 this quarter versus 0.53 in the year ago period. With respect to the components of the top line, fertility revenue increased 22% in the quarter to $2.00 $6,000,000 while pharmacy revenue increased 9% to $118,000,000 The differential in growth rates reflects a comparatively lower proportion of treatments requiring a pharmacy component versus the prior year period, which you can also see reflected in the lower ART cycles per unique. Turning now to our margins and operating expenses. Gross profit increased 21 from the first quarter last year to $76,000,000 This yielded a 23.4% gross margin, an improvement from the 22.4% margin in the prior year period due to the impact of the unfavorable mix shift in the year ago period as well as some other timing items. For the full year, we expect gross margin expansion over 2024, although not quite at the same level as we saw in Q1 due to additional hiring and other investments contemplated in the plan. Speaker 300:15:52Sales and marketing expense was 5.5% of revenue, reflecting a modest improvement from the year ago period as our economies and scale are helping to offset the investments we're making to expand our go to market resources and channel partnership relationships. G and A was 10.4% in the quarter, slightly higher than the first quarter a year ago, reflecting the previously disclosed investments we've begun to make to expand our product platform and integrate our recent acquisitions. We expect these investments will continue to ramp in the second quarter and continue over the remainder of the year. Although dollars of adjusted EBITDA grew 15% to $58,000,000 the impact of our investments is seen as expected in the adjusted EBITDA margin, which declined modestly from the year ago period to 17.8%. Net income was $15,100,000 or $0.17 per diluted share in the quarter. Speaker 300:16:52This compared to net income of $16,900,000 or $0.17 per share in the year ago period. The decrease was primarily due to a higher provision for income taxes including the impact of discrete tax items, which more than offset the higher operating profitability. Adjusted EPS was $0.48 in the quarter, which compares to $0.39 in the year ago period. Turning now to our cash flow and balance sheet. We generated nearly $50,000,000 of operating cash flow in the first quarter, nearly double the prior year period. Speaker 300:17:26The increase is due to the higher profitability as well as the timing of certain working capital items in both periods and reflects our high rate of conversion of adjusted EBITDA to operating cash flow. Looking beyond operating cash flow, you'll see we incurred $2,000,000 in incremental CapEx this quarter as compared to the year ago period. This was expected and reflects the investments we described to you last quarter in our member experience and acquisition integration activities. We continue to expect the incremental CapEx for these projects to be approximately $15,000,000 over our 2024 spend. As of March 31, we had total working capital of $331,000,000 reflecting $256,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities and no debt. Speaker 300:18:17As compared to the year ago period, DSO improved by fourteen days, reflecting our ongoing discipline in revenue cycle management. Though DSO did increase as usual on a sequential basis due to the ordinary seasonality that we see at the beginning of the year driven by the timing of treatments, client starts and other factors. Turning now to our expectations for the second quarter and the year. As the second quarter begins, we've continued to see member engagement at levels that are consistent with the historical range. Nevertheless, given the unexpected variability we experienced at certain times in 2024, the assumptions we're making today reflect the possibility that we'll see further variability in activity and treatments in the future. Speaker 300:19:03As you can see in the table on the last page of today's press release, we continue to expect that full year utilization will remain at 1.02% at the low end and 1.04 at the high end. In terms of consumption, even though the year has begun slightly better than we had originally expected, we're maintaining our assumption on ART cycles per unique at 0.89 at the low end of the range and 0.91 at the high end. With these assumptions, we're projecting between $310,000,000 to $325,000,000 in second quarter revenue, reflecting growth of 2% to 7%. This includes between $12,700,000 and $14,700,000 in contribution from the client under the transition of care arrangement. If we exclude that client's contribution from both periods, second quarter revenue growth is expected to be between 1116%. Speaker 300:19:58On profitability, we expect between 49,000,000 to $53,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter along with net income of between 11,500,000.0 to $14,500,000 This equates to $0.13 and $0.16 of earnings per share or $0.40 and $0.43 of adjusted EPS on the basis of approximately 91,000,000 fully diluted shares. Given our strong start to the year, we're pleased to be in a position to raise our full year guidance. We now project revenue of between 1,185,000,000.000 to $1,235,000,000 reflecting growth of between 1.55.8%. This assumes a contribution of 44,000,000 to 46,000,000 of revenue from the large client under the transition of care agreement. If we exclude that client from both years, our full year revenue growth is estimated to be 11% to 15%. Speaker 300:20:57We also expect between 190,000,000 to $2.00 $3,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA with net income of between $42,400,000 to $51,800,000 This equates to $0.46 and $0.56 earnings per diluted share and $1.54 and $1.64 of adjusted EPS on the basis of approximately 92,000,000 fully diluted shares for the year. And with that, we'd like to now open the call for questions. Operator, can you please provide the instructions? Speaker 400:21:30Thank you very much. We are now opening the floor you. Thank you very much. Your first question is coming from Anne Samuel of JPMorgan. Anne, your line is live. Speaker 500:22:06Great. Thanks. Congrats on the great print tonight. And Pete congratulations on your Time Magazine recognition. Really great to see the emphasis there on fertility benefits as well. Speaker 500:22:17If I were to look at historical seasonality of cycles per utilizer, you tend to have a step up in 2Q from 1Q. But when we look at the guide, it implies kind of a more similar rate in 2Q to 1Q. So I was just curious is that kind of to account for some of the uncertainty that you mentioned? Or is there something else going on that might change kind of the how we should be thinking about the normal seasonality Speaker 200:22:41Hi, Annie, and thanks so much. Yes, we're excited for the recognition. We're proud of what we're doing here. So it's great to see that. As it relates to your question, it is more around having the guidance reflect the uncertainty than it is something that we're seeing is a simple answer. Speaker 500:23:04Helpful. Thank you. Then maybe just one more. You called out the gross margin expansion this quarter and it was up really nicely. I was just wondering can you speak to the drivers there? Speaker 500:23:14And just how we should be thinking about that line for the rest of the year? Thanks. Speaker 300:23:18Yeah. So, I said in my prepared comments, I think you have to take into consideration last year was a bit suppressed given the revenue shortfall from the mix issue. Again, we typically are leveraging our internal folks as revenue grows and that was an unexpected reduction in revenue. So we were a bit suppressed last year. And we had a good quarter this year. Speaker 300:23:46I think again as we continue to make some of the investments that we've been highlighting, a portion of those do actually hit in our cost of services area and will bring gross margins down. We haven't necessarily guided to a specific number for the year, but we do expect it to expand for the full year versus the full year of 2024. Speaker 200:24:09I hope that's helpful. Speaker 500:24:10Very helpful. Thank you. Speaker 400:24:14Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Jalindra Singh of Turist Securities. Jalindra, your line is live. Speaker 600:24:25Thank you and congrats on a strong quarter and congrats Pete on the recognition. I want to follow-up on your comments around the 2026 selling season. I know you guys noted that it is still early and most sales most of sales have been not now from last year. But outside of that, are you seeing any indications of employers putting the RFP process on hold or things taking longer, which could mean the decision making could be a little delayed this year? Related to that you also talked about the sales goal for the year. Speaker 600:24:56Is your sales goal similar to your historical target of adding as many lives that year prior? Of course, it's 1,100,000 lives excluding Amazon. Speaker 700:25:08Yeah. Hey, it's Michael. Thanks for the question. Speaker 800:25:11So first, yeah, our sales goal is the same as it is every year. We're trying to bring on as much new business as we can. And as we said on in Investor Day last summer, we're targeting at least to add 1,000,000 new lives each year. So that's unchanged. As for the pipeline, you sort of referenced it. Speaker 800:25:37It certainly is early and there's certainly a lot more pipeline months ahead of us that we continue to bring on new opportunities. And important sort of from a comparable perspective, the number of opportunities and dollars are comparable to prior year, while we're seeing the average lives lagging a little bit over from last year. That could be a lot of factors as that could be the timing. Certainly, of the macro environments macroeconomic environment aspects could be driving a little bit of that and a little bit of uncertainty in some businesses. But we're certainly seeing a wide array and diversity within employers that we have in the pipeline. Speaker 800:26:27Keith, would you add something? Speaker 200:26:28Yes. Specifically to your question, we're not seeing a slowdown in or sort of pauses, if you will, the way you were describing it in RFP activities or sort of processes that are started. That's not what we're seeing. And so I just wanted to make sure we just answered that question specifically. Speaker 600:26:48Okay. And then my follow-up, I want to ask about the 16.3% incremental adjusted EBITDA margin on incremental revenue in the quarter. Can you share some thoughts on that metric? Where do you see that metric trending near term? And how do you think about the path to getting that metric back to that historical 20% plus longer term? Speaker 200:27:08Yes. So we had talked about it at our previous call at year end when we put out our guidance for the year overall. The expectation for this year in particular due to the incremental investment that is going to hit the P and L as well as incremental investment, which you call that, that will be higher CapEx is, I'll call it one time ish, if you will, right? So overall $15,000,000 of incremental P and L expense relative to the investments in the platform and the product expansion and the investments in the acquisitions that we've made is going to hit the P and L this year makes a big difference relative to margin and incremental revenue. So when you talk about the short term that's sort of how you should look at the year, But those are all really important initiatives that will continue to position us and hold our position as the leader in the space. Speaker 200:28:08Thanks a lot. Speaker 400:28:11Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Michael Cherny of Leerink Partners. Michael, your line is live. Speaker 700:28:22Good morning. Sorry, not good morning, good afternoon. This is Ahmed on for my attorney. Congrats on a great quarter. If I could ask about the new modules that you've been adding. Speaker 700:28:32I appreciate the color you guys gave, but if you could double click on that, which modules are getting the most interest right now? We'd love to get any additional color and how you think about how they will eventually ramp longer term to your longer range targets? Speaker 200:28:48Yes. I think, well, it depends on how you define interest. From a sales perspective, last year and so far earlier this year, all of the modules, if you will, are getting interest, where we had 20% of clients overall last year and as a sales year starting this year by one or more of the new modules. As it relates to engagement with the modules, there's a higher level of engagement with the menopause product. And that reason for that is that it's a much larger addressable audience vis a vis the maternity product. Speaker 200:29:28And so that's probably that's the easiest answer. Speaker 700:29:36Got it. Thank you. And if I could ask another one, are you noticing any incremental concern from employers in your conversations with them about 2026? I know you commented about the selling season, it's really early, but just any sort of hesitation there? I think, again, sort of as I was Speaker 800:29:58referencing earlier, there's certainly opportunities and dollars are comparable to last year. And again lives average lives are lagging a little bit. Again, it's hard to speculate at this time. But certainly, there could be a little bit of the macro environment as a factor creating some uncertainty with some businesses, though it's certainly not all businesses. And that's also why it's important as you look at our book and with over clients in over 45 different industries, right? Speaker 800:30:40That diversification really comes into play here and we're seeing that in the pipeline as well. Speaker 700:30:50Great. Thank you. Congrats. Speaker 400:30:53Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from David Larson of BTIG. David, Speaker 500:31:08your line is open. Speaker 700:31:10Hi. Congratulations on the good quarter and the sort of resurgence in revenue growth. Can you talk about potential new tariffs on your book of business? Could that possibly increase your cost of goods for your members for like the specialty medications or not? And would you be able to sort of pass those along to customers or not? Speaker 700:31:36Just any color there in terms of your own cost base? And then what you might be hearing from clients, customers' health plans? Is this even a topic of discussion or not? Thank you. Speaker 200:31:48Relative to existing tariffs that are announced, not really an impact for us on costs. Relative to comments that are out there around potential tariffs on pharmaceuticals, based on what's been discussed to date, end state drugs don't appear to be something that's being considered in terms of tariffs, but tariffs on potentially materials that go into drug manufacturing. So hard to say to these hard to say if it will have an impact. We do have flexibility in our arrangements with our clients. Should there be an increase, but that's not the only lever that we have. Speaker 200:32:31We would also work with our industry partners to mitigate collectively the impact to plan sponsors is essentially how I think about it. Speaker 700:32:42Okay. And then just another quick one. It seems to me like with the 100 basis point increase in the unemployment rate that we saw last year or the last year and a half with rising interest rates that may have been a factor in like the temporary slowdown in 2024, but it seems to me like that's really stabilized now that we're post election. Just any thoughts on Trump's views on fertility? I think he said he wanted health plans to cover IVF. Speaker 700:33:12Just any thoughts there? Will that have an impact on that? Speaker 200:33:15Thanks. Well, there's an executive order that was put out in February asking for a recommendation around both protecting access as well as addressing affordability. That the readout from that executive order is expected unless it moves, is expected May 19. And so from that perspective, the spirit of the order is positive relative to those two things. Besides that, there's very little information being leaked or otherwise in terms of what direction that recommendation may go. Speaker 200:33:54Hard for me to say how positive it may be or not relative to what that executive order will recommend. But it's recommendations, policy recommendations, it's not legislation as it sits now in terms of how the executive order was written. So we'll see what happens. But again, I start out with my first statement that the spirit of the order is positive relative to IVF. Speaker 700:34:18Okay. Thanks very much. Congrats on a good quarter. I'll hop back in the queue. Speaker 200:34:21Thank you. Speaker 400:34:23Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Sarah James of Cantor Fitzgerald. Sarah, your line is live. Speaker 500:34:32Thank you. You mentioned not anticipating the gross margin beat to continue through the year due to investments. But given the size of the beat, it implies a pretty sizable investment. So could you go into a little bit more detail on what those are? How much is hiring? Speaker 900:34:48And what are Speaker 500:34:48the non staff related investments? Speaker 200:34:51Yes. So overall, we talked about the incremental investment related to both the platform as well as the product capabilities and expansion and the investments in the acquisitions to be that's going to hit the P and L to be roughly overall 15,000,000 The details of it, I'm not sure, would be constructive relative to how much of that is hiring versus other things. But nonetheless, had sized it and that number is still our estimate of the impact for this year. Speaker 500:35:28Got it. And then one follow-up on the tariff discussion. If there are tariffs on some of the ingredients, do you anticipate it could have any impact on the timing of drug shipments or availability? Speaker 200:35:45Again, without any more visibility into what might happen, I don't anticipate that. I'm not sure why a tariff might impact timing of shipments. But beyond that, can't speculate. Speaker 900:36:02Thank you. Speaker 400:36:05Thank you very much. Our next question is coming from Dev Wirasuria and she's from Bank of America. Dev, your line is live. Speaker 900:36:16Hey, thanks for taking my question. Dev on here for Alan Lutz. I'm just trying to understand a little bit about pricing benefits in the guide and in the quarter here. Could you just remind us how much if at all of a pricing benefit is expected in ART cycles for the year? What you're seeing here early on in Q1? Speaker 900:36:41And just maybe just that versus like typical inflation in IVF procedures and costs versus kind of historical ranges? And then I got one more follow-up. Thank you. Speaker 200:36:55Yes. I think you're referring to the growth and how much of the growth is driven by price. The answer is not really any. So it's all a function of engagement and consumption and activity with the benefit as opposed to price. Speaker 900:37:18Okay, great. And is that does the same hold for I guess the pharmacy benefit? I'm just curious how a drug price branded versus generic inflation layers into that for the quarter and I guess expectations for the year there as well? Thank you. Speaker 200:37:33Yes. But the pharmacy benefit is very, very little. There are moderate drug price increases to certain drugs that are incorporated in it. But again, the majority of it is due to the larger number of lives under management and the activity within those members. Speaker 900:37:52Great. Thank you. Speaker 400:37:55Thank you very much. At this time, I don't see any further questions in the queue. I will now hand back over to James for any further comments. Speaker 100:38:04Thank you so much, Jenny. Thanks everyone for joining us this afternoon. Please feel free to reach out to me in the next few days or otherwise I'm sure we'll see many of you next week at the Bank of America Conference. Thanks again for your time. Speaker 400:38:19Thank you very much. That does conclude today's conference call. 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