NYSE:DOV Dover Q2 2025 Earnings Results & Report $212.92 +0.49 (+0.23%) As of 10:50 AM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Massive. Learn more. Dover beat analyst expectations on both earnings and revenue in its Q2 2025 results, released July 24, 2025. The company reported EPS of $2.44 versus the $2.39 consensus estimate, while revenue of $2.05 billion topped the $2.03 billion estimate by $20.87 million. Revenue increased 5.2% year over year. Research:ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Earnings Announcement Details QuarterQ2 2025Report DateJuly 24, 2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call9:30 AM ET Dover EPS ResultsActual EPS$2.44Consensus EPS $2.39Beat/MissBeat by +$0.05One Year Ago EPS$2.36EPS Beat Rate7 of last 8 quartersDover Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$2.05 billionExpected Revenue$2.03 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$20.87 millionYoY Revenue Growth+5.20%Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Dover Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 24, 2025ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Dover delivered a record adjusted segment EBITDA margin above 25% in Q2, driven by portfolio mix and cost actions, and achieved adjusted EPS growth of 16% year-over-year. Positive Sentiment: Management raised full-year adjusted EPS guidance to $9.35–$9.55, representing a 14% increase at the midpoint versus prior outlook. Positive Sentiment: Orders accelerated with a 7% year-over-year increase in Q2 bookings, and the majority of Q3 revenue is already in backlog amid strong July order trends. Positive Sentiment: Year-to-date free cash flow reached $261 million (7% of revenue), and full-year conversion is expected at 14%–16% of revenue. Negative Sentiment: The Climate & Sustainability segment saw revenue declines due to reduced food retail cases and engineering services, partially offsetting record CO2 system volumes. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallDover Q2 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning and welcome to Dover second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Speaking today are Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Chris Woenker, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer period. If you'd like to ask a question during this time, please press the star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star 2. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, this conference is being recorded and your participation implies consent to our recording of this call. If you do not agree with these terms, please disconnect at this time. Thank you. I would like to now turn the call over to Mr. Jack Dickens. Please go ahead. Jack DickensVP of Investor Relations at Dover Corporation00:00:48Thank you. Stephanie, good morning everyone and thank you for joining our call. An audio version of this call will be available on our website through August 14th and a replay link of the webcast will be archived for 90 days. Our comments today will include forward-looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results and events could differ from those statements due to a number of risks and uncertainties which are discussed in our SEC filings. We assume no obligation to update our forward-looking statements. With that, I will turn this call over to Rich. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:01:20Thanks Jack. Let's get started on slide three. Dover's 2nd quarter results were strong, driven by excellent production performance, positive margin mix from our growth platforms, and carry forward cost actions taken in prior periods. Top line performance accelerated in the quarter on broad based shipment growth in short cycle components and outperformance over secular growth exposed end markets. Order trends continued to be positive momentum in the quarter, up 7% year-over-year, bolstering our confidence in the second half outlook, with the majority of our third quarter revenue already in backlog. As an anecdote, July orders are tracking really well going into the back end of the third quarter. Margin performance in the quarter was exemplary, with a record adjusted segment EBITDA margins above 25% as a result of prior period portfolio actions, positive mix from the growth platforms, and our rigorous cost containment and productivity actions. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:02:23Adjusted EPS was up 16% in the quarter. Our solid operational results were complemented by ongoing capital deployment actions. We continue to invest in high ROI organic capital projects, including productivity and capacity expansion, as well as targeted footprint optimization. During the quarter, we also completed two acquisitions of attractive, fast growing assets within our high priority Pumps & Process Solutions segment. Our balance sheet strength remains an advantage that provides flexibility as we pursue value creating capital deployment to further expand our businesses in high growth, high margin areas. We are approaching the second half of the year constructively, despite some macroeconomic noise. Underlying end market demand is healthy and is supported by our sustained order rates. As a result, we are raising our full year adjusted EPS guidance to $9.35-$9.55, which is +14% for the full year at midpoint. Let's go to slide five. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:03:34Engineered Products revenue was down in the quarter on lower volumes of vehicle services. We did see improving sentiment in vehicle services as the quarter progressed, most notably in North America where book-to-bill was north of 1. Margin performance for the segment was up on structural cost management and productivity. Clean Energy & Fueling was up 8% in the quarter, led by strong shipments in clean energy components, fluid transport, and North American retail fueling software and equipment. Margin performance was solid in the quarter, up 80 basis points on volume leverage, higher mix of below ground fueling equipment, and restructuring benefit carry forward. Imaging & ID was stable on growth in our core marking and coating business, partially offset with timing of textiles. Margin performance remains exemplary in the segment at 28% adjusted EBITDA margin. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:04:29Management actions on cost to serve and structural cost controls continue to drive incremental margins higher. Pumps & Process Solutions was up 4% organically on double digit growth in single use biopharma components, thermal connectors for liquid cooling of data centers, and digital controls of midstream natural gas compression. Industrial pumps posted solid results as well and as forecasted the long cycle polymer processing equipment business was down year-over-year though quoting activity improved in the quarter and book-to-bill was ahead of one segment. Revenue performance including the acquisition of SIKORA and volume leverage drove margin improvement on excellent production performance. Volume and secular growth exposed end markets. Revenue was down in the quarter in climate sustainability on the comparative declines in food retail cases and engineering services which more than offset the record quarterly volumes in CO2 systems. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:05:32Heat exchangers was up sequentially and year-over-year on record quarterly shipments in North America where we are actively increasing capacity to accommodate growing demand tied to liquid cooling of data centers. Shipments of heat exchangers for installation in European heat market heat pumps was down slightly in the quarter but are expected to inflect positively in the 2nd half of the year. Despite the lower top line, the segment posted 60 basis points of margin improvement against a difficult comp period on productivity actions and a higher mix of CO2 systems. I'll pass it on to Chris here. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:06:12Thanks Rich. Good morning everyone. Let's go to our cash flow statement on Slide 6. Year-to-date, free cash flow is $261 million or 7% of revenue, up $41 million over the prior year, as year-over-year improvements in operating cash conversion more than offset expected increases in capital spend on growth and productivity projects. We expect cash flow generation to accelerate in the second half of the year, in line with historical trends, as seasonal working capital liquidation in the third and fourth quarters should more than offset continued investments in productivity, capacity expansion and cost structure optimization projects, which are expected to generate meaningful benefits into 2026 and beyond. Our guidance for 2025 free cash flow remains on track at 14%-16% of revenue on strong conversion of operating cash flow. With that, let me turn it back. To Rich, Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:07:01okay, let me try as I might on bookings. Let's give this one a whirl here. Here we provide more detail than usual, although I guess the reaction is murky. In the 2nd quarter, Q2 consolidated bookings were up 7% over the prior year. They were also up sequentially, marking a continued momentum across our business. Year-to-date, book-to-bill is above 1 across all five segments, with particular strength in our highest margin and secular growth markets, an encouraging sign as we move into the second half. Let's go to slide 8, slide 8, which highlights several of the end markets that are driving our consolidated growth forecast and our margin. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:07:48Between end market data and our customer forecasts and our own booking rates, we are encouraged by the outlook in the broader industrial gas complex with cleaner energy components and precision clean energy components, single-use biopharma components, CO2 refrigeration systems, and inputs into liquid cooling applications of data centers, which includes our large heat exchanger business. We have made significant organic and inorganic investments behind these markets, and they remain one of our highest priority areas for investment going forward, which we'll talk about in a minute. In aggregate, these markets now account for 20% of our portfolio and drive attractive margin accretion and expected double-digit growth, which I think we're on track as of the close of Q2. Let's go to 9. Our organic investments remain our highest priority of capital deployment. We are moving forward and in fact accelerating a number of organic investments despite the near-term uncertainty. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:08:53The macro sentiment, here we show some of our most meaningful and high ROI capital projects that we're undertaking in 2025. You'll see a healthy balance between growth capacity expansions behind some of our highest priority platforms as well as productivity and automation investments, including rooftop consolidations. We put in the press release that we are tallying up these savings and will provide an update in our next quarterly call as to the absolute quantum of the savings roll forward benefit into 2026. Suffice to say that given the scale of the projects, we expect the savings to be meaningful. This is in line with our goal each year to drive non-revenue profit generation through fixed cost reduction programs. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:09:43So. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:09:46We're kind of midstream. Let's deal with the footprint projects and the reshoring. We're in good shape in terms of the timing as Chris mentioned, that is going to be reflected in our cash flow or our CapEx projections for the year. The timing of it and some of these projects are quite complex. When we talk about going from eliminating six rooftops for example, by the time we get to Q3, we'll have an idea of the timing of the roll forward of these benefits that are not, you know, will we catch a bit of it in Q4? Maybe, but the vast majority of it will be the non-revenue profit of these restructuring. What you're going to see between now and the end of the year is the CapEx inflect up and the restructuring charges come as we start to take down some of these operations. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:10:47What was the total roll forward this year? Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:10:52About $30 million. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:10:53$30 million of savings are reflected in this year's accounts. That is why you see with at least year-to-date, not a lot of revenue growth. I think we have got easier comps in the second half of the year. You see the margin accretion and meaningful contributor to some of those margins is last year's roll forward. I would expect that next year would be the same, if not better. The biggest single project that we have is one of the rooftop ones. We will probably catch that in the latter half of next year. Let us go to slide. When we take a look at what we have taken every year in terms of margin expansion, it is close to 100 basis points a year. A good portion of that is revenue mix. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:11:53A variety of things that we are doing in the portfolio, but a meaningful portion of that is, let us call it productivity. If our business model continues in its current trajectory of improving the portfolio, upgrading the mix within individual segments, we also look and put goals on the businesses of meaningful productivity of which a lot of it is things like rooftop consolidation and the reduction of fixed costs. I cannot give it to you now because I do not want to give you a number that is incorrect, but we think that at minimum the benefit in 2026 is going to be the same. Excuse me, the minimum that we are seeing in 2025 will be 2026, but the total quantum is going to be larger. That is what is in the pipe. It is just a question of do we realize it in 2026 or 2027. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:12:47Okay, now I got myself off the script. Sure, that is upsetting to everybody. You know what, I will take slide 11. The bottom line is if you look at the margin accretion here, it is upgraded mix. I am talking about 2025 productivity, all the things I just talked about. There is the look for the back half of the year. We are not calling for any margin dilution, but you can see in terms of what our organic growth rate is the year, the back half, largely because of the acceleration on our growth platforms and easier comps that we had to the back half of last year. That is why you see the organic growth estimate for the last year. We can go to Q&A in a second whether there is anything more meaningful there. Oh, I am sure. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:13:40What do we use for the back half for dollar or dollar-euro in the back half? Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:13:45Yeah, we have a range of outcomes, but one of them was carrying forward current rates. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:13:49Right. So look, we back tested the volatility of the 1st half of the year and then used that for the 2nd half of the year. I find that I can't predict FX. Using prevailing spot rates for the whole back of the year based on the volatility we saw at the beginning there, I think is a bit ambitious. If FX rates, at least dollar euro, stays the same, then that's good for translation and maybe gives us 100 basis points of increased revenue in the back half. I'm sure we can beat that to death in the Q and A. Why don't we go to Q and A, Jack? Operator00:14:27Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, simply press the star and then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star two. We ask the participants limit themselves to one question and one follow up question. Our first question will come from Mike Halloran with Baird. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:14:45Hey, good morning everyone. Hey. A couple clarifying questions. First, talk about pretty happy with the trajectory through the quarter. You know, it's tough organic order comps. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:15:00Could you just give us a. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:15:01Sense for how you thought things played out sequentially through the quarter relative to previous expectations and frame how things have changed from your perspective going into the back half of the year versus not. It seems like you're at or above the trajectory you would have been talking about entering the year with the original guide. We just had to deal with some volatility in the middle. Any context there would be great. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:15:27Generally speaking, with all the noise around tariffs and price, cost and everything else, clearly the margin performance through the first half of the year is slightly above expectation. Now, having said that, we're beginning to lap comps on biopharma and everything else. So that's a big contributor to the mix benefit. I think the only portion of the portfolio that is a little lighter in terms of volume would be on cryogenic components because there seems to be a lot of notional backlog based on talking to our customer that's kind of sliding to the right. I think that we commented that at the beginning of the year and I think the traditional refrigeration case business is behind and that's a pretty big business. That is, we would have thought that revenue performance there would have been, would have been a little bit better. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:16:28But because of margin mix across the portfolio, anecdotally that business is not dilutive to our margins anymore, but it's two for one, a little bit between the precision components and the data center business. Overall, I mean, I think our expectation in core refrigeration is clearly now going to be behind what we thought at the beginning of the year. Because the growth platforms are so accretive to our margins, you know, 100 basis points, there is 200 basis points on refrigeration. Optically on book-to-bill, it's $20 million. I think that's the difference for the quarter between. I guess I should have stopped the last shipment of the month somewhere because then we would have been at one and then we won't be hammering that issue year-over-year on H1 to the kind of on the sequential, we're still up overall on book-to-bill. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:17:35As I said, we went and polled everybody because we haven't closed July yet. Nobody said that the momentum on bookings was poor. We're starting off Q3 on a bookings basis. It looks good. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:17:54Maybe you could bridge the first half to the 2nd half or, sorry, what's changed in the guidance is maybe the better way to put it. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:18:02I mean, we're ahead. Yeah, we're ahead right on where we thought we would be. Right. All we're doing is rolling forward where we're kind of head into the back half. Now the question is, and we deal with this every year, we deal with at the end of Q3, we will look where we are on bookings, momentum and then we're going to make, we're going to decide what we're going to do in Q4 of whether we cut production performance and maximize cash flow for the year. We won't make that decision until probably mid this quarter based on bookings, momentum and backlog. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:18:45If I put it in the context of what's changed though, it's you took away the cautionary language from last quarter on the growth, yet you had SIKORA maybe a little movement on FX. I don't really want to blame 1%, but bottom line. Yeah, bottom line is no real change to the momentum you would have been talking about other than removing the cautionary language. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:19:07Yeah, I mean, look, I mean our EPS at midpoint is 14%. We're aiming towards the top of the range, which is 16% year-over-year, which will put us in terms of top quartile to our comps. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:19:24Perfect. Yep. That's our question for. Thank you. Jack DickensVP of Investor Relations at Dover Corporation00:19:29Thank you. We'll take our next question from Chris Snyder with Morgan Stanley. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:19:34Thank you. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:19:35I wanted to ask about competitive dynamics in the market. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:19:38You guys have a lot of North America production. You guys compete against a lot of smaller competitors. Are there any verticals where you're starting to see share shifts or maybe it's still too early for that? Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:19:53Is there any change you're seeing? Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:19:55In the price environment post de-escalation? Thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:20:02Okay. I mean clearly on price, total cost, we're in a positive position, so we would expect we don't see any particular headwinds coming either way. We are pretty much out with our total pricing that we're putting out. We expect some accretion in terms of the margin unless something unknown pops up in terms of price cost. Yeah, I mean our business model is competing with smaller competitors and that allows us ability to either extract pricing or manage input costs probably more effectively. Can't say yet about share because we won't because the dynamic of the restock at the beginning of the Q1 had a lot of kind of restock in there and now you're just basically booking and shipping based on current conditions of demand. Thank you, appreciate that. Maybe just a follow up on some of the prior questions around the back half. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:17There's a lot of moving parts. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:19Here with price, FX, acquisitions. Could you just kind of maybe level. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:23Set what the guide calls for in. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:26Volumes in the back half of the year and kind of how that compares to where volumes have been tracking out. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:31In the 1st half. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:32Thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:21:32There's no dramatic change. We've made up kind of some headwinds. I mentioned refrigeration, some headwinds in terms of demand and vehicle services. At least in the first half there is amount of rotation because I think that Q1 in biopharma was probably. That was a little bit of restocking just because you can see from some of the market participants calling for kind of there was a restocking in terms of Q1 and now it's pretty. The growth rate there is probably going to come down in the second half of the year, at least in terms of comps because biopharma and to a lesser extent thermal connectors have begun to grow. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:22:28The relative outperformance will kind of flatten out in the second half of the year and then some of the businesses that have not been as strong in the 1st half will start to come back. That's mildly dilutive to consolidated margins, but not dramatically. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:22:49Thank you. Operator00:22:52Thank you. Our next question will come from Steve Tusa with JPMorgan. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:22:57Hey, good morning. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:22:58Hi. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:23:02I just wanted to dig into the margins a little more in the second half here. I mean obviously you're coming from a pretty good base. I think you had said on the last call or maybe in the follow up with Jack that the total segment incremental would be just below 40% because of these tariff dynamics. I think where you are today, kind of the jumping off point of the 2Q suggests something a little better than that. Maybe just some rough guidance around what you would expect for total segment incrementals. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:23:34This year for 2025. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:23:36Yeah, sure. I mean there's total incrementals and then there's by business incrementals. I think as I just said, because of the relative growth rates between H1 and H2, your incremental is going to come down because they're lower margin businesses as opposed to we got off to a really good start in DPPS for example. That's going to just flatten out relatively based on the contribution of relative contributions to those revenues. As you can see, it's mix at the end of the day, you know, you look at slide 11, we're calling for everything to be up. The incremental in aggregate is going to come down. That's kind of what we're looking at. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:24:25Look, you know, you know this, I mean we're a bit of a short, the portfolio is more short cycle now than it was in the past just because of the contribution of the longer cycle businesses and because really there's no lack of capacity in the market for most of the products that we have. Lead times and visibility going forward on the portfolio is a little bit more difficult. We're almost kind of guessing every 90 days of how cycle is going to go. We're not going to try to manage the total EBITDA margin of the portfolio. We do it at the business level on contribution margin but we don't try to do it at the total. Could it be better? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:25:09I think the caution based on the forecast that we have today on the relative contribution, it's more mix related than pricing or input or anything else. All of that is covered in the full year EPS. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:25:23Right. It just seems to me though that I think you're trending like 23 point, 22.6 something in that range. 1st half year, 2nd half just kind of seasonally should be better than that is my guess on the 2nd half. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:25:39You need what you need to understand and I hope it's not the case. If we look and we think that we can catch up on our backlog in Q1, we'll dial down, we'll flush as much inventory as we can and keep that production performance for 2026. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:25:55Okay. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:25:56Just one last question. You're going to be exiting, I think, at like above a 5%, a mid-single-digit type of organic growth rate in the fourth quarter. You've talked about the cost savings. You got a little acquisition tailwind. I mean, should we think about next year kind of the EPS algo being pretty similar to this year, maybe a little bit better. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:26:17I got to say with the margin performance and I do not see any reason for that to come down. A full year of this incremental margin plus a bigger cost savings target roll forward. We are very excited about what the incremental margin on revenue is going to track to in 2026. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:26:40Got it. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:26:41That's not murky, that's crystal clear. Thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:26:47Touche all right, next. Operator00:26:50Thank you. Our next question comes from Nigel Coe with Wolfe Research. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:26:55Thanks. Good morning, guys. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:26:56Hi. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:26:57Rich, pricing obviously really good and it sounds like price is pretty much set here. No surcharge, rollback, etc. I think the one business that is lagging behind is CST, probably because demand is quite weak there. I am just wondering if there is scope for pricing at CST to improve for the year. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:27:20Let me see, how do we get to pull this apart here. Yeah, I mean the CSP is more absorption right now because the core business is 20. Core business is 20. That is with a lack of Belvac. I think we're just going to have to wait for Belvac volume to come back. We're not even modeling that in at all for the balance of the year. You were coming off a very big margin on heat exchangers during the torrid days of heat pumps in Europe. That is slowly coming up as that market comes. That's a 25% EBITDA margin business. It's not there today. Right. As it ramps back up, and it's going to ramp back up for two reasons, that heat pumps are coming back but they're way below where they were with the peak. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:28:30We don't have a ton of dilution there because the data center portion of that business, which is accretive as a product line there, comes back. We believe right now making that margin, considering the headwinds we had to peak and the fact that we brought back the traditional case business at the volume that we thought we were going to have this year, which I mentioned before, that it's slow, that's 20% EBITDA margin. It's just all mix right now. We've got plenty of room to move it up. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:29:04It's also a segment obviously we talked about. We've done a lot of structural cost work. We've got a good, you know, tailwind for a mix on our CO2 product line. So we see we're also seeing some positive trends there as well. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:29:17The single biggest productivity project that we have on that slide nine is in that segment. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:29:25Okay. Yeah. The question is more about pricing, I think. I think price was 0.2%. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:29:30It's all at the margin. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:29:33Okay, okay. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:29:35A quick one. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:29:36Just going back to Biopharma. You talked about the first half, 2nd half with the restocking, etc. There has been a bit of noise in some of the biopharma, more life science than biopharma. Just wondering, are you seeing any project pushes, etc. Because we are hearing a bit of noise in those markets. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:29:58Yeah, it's really hard for us. I mean we look at the same people that you look at, they're customers of ours. Remember that ours is more weighted towards in-use product than it is for new builds. As long as the machines that have been delivered are out there and they're running, it's consuming our product. It's not on marginal build of new product. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:30:25Okay. Very clear. Thanks, Rich. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:30:27Thanks. Operator00:30:29Thank you. We'll move next to Andrew Obin with Bank of America. Andrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of America00:30:33Yeah. Good morning. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:30:34Hi. Andrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of America00:30:37The question is, can you talk about any tariff uncertainty impact on orders in the quarter? As best as you can tell. What I'm trying to get to is that was there any pull forward or do you mainly see delays in pushouts? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:30:52More than pushouts. Andrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of America00:30:55Is there a specific vertical? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:30:58Yeah, I mean it's on refrigeration. Now, the non-CO2 portion of refrigeration has been lighter. Projects that we had scheduled based on customer discussion slid to the right, which is not, you know, it's the retail to the consumer portion of the market. Companies have more pressure at the end of the day. To see it in retail food is not surprising overall. We look at it as a kind of a proxy. We're shipping CO2 systems at a robust rate. You need cases when you do those systems. It's just a lag effect. Andrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of America00:31:45Just to follow up on the push out. Did you also, on cryogenics, is it LNG that's being pushed out? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:31:52Yeah, mostly the whole, the whole system. It's, it's the infrastructure build is taking a little bit longer than we would have thought and we're kind of some of the last things that go in there, including transport. It is still good. It is just not as robust as customer communication would lead to. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:32:17Let me ask you a question about a business where there's probably a little bit more growth. What were bookings for data center exposed businesses and specifically thermal connectors and SWEP? You're adding capacity in both. So fair to say you're a believer in the data center build-out? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:32:34Yeah. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:32:36I mean for our small portion of the billions of dollars going into it. Yeah. What's our growth rate on thermal connectors year to date? Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:32:4450. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:32:4550. Andrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of America00:32:47And SWEP? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:32:51I'm sure the percentage is very high, but it's smaller. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:32:56Okay. Smaller starting point. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:32:58Right. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:33:00Thanks so much. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:33:02Thanks. Operator00:33:04Thank you. We'll take our next question from Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research Partners. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:33:09Hey, good morning, everyone. Hey, Rich. One place where you did confuse me and maybe I haven't had enough coffee this morning, but just on the restructuring, just to be clear, so you're saying the wraparound actions from last year's work is a $30 million benefit this year and at this point on the stuff that you're working on this year, you see at least $30 million next year, is that. That's correct? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:33:35Yeah, I think the number is going to be bigger. We just want to get the timing of how much is captured in 2026 and with the full roll forward, is it in 2027. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:33:46Right. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:33:48You'll be able to. You'll see it because you'll see it in our CapEx number and you'll see it in our cash flow when we do the restructuring. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:33:58What is the sort of the uncertainty in your mind and kind of tallying up the current actions? Obviously you would have undertaken those with a return expectation. Is there some really big variability in how, you know, these projects really manifest or the fruit that they bear? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:34:15Yeah, the footprint ones are difficult. I mean these are building new factories at the end of the day. We're very careful about the timing. It's not the return, the return is going to be material, it's just how much do we get in 2026. You know, you can't treat all of it as restructuring because you have to run redundant capacity. There's actually a negative cost as you're completing these things. In terms of where we're tracking on the projects themselves, we're all, I guess we're more in front than we are behind and that's why I think that we tipped up CapEx forecast for the year is to accommodate that. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:35:01Right. The dust should settle on all that as we exit 2026 and we should see sort of full run rate in 2027. That's the number you're going to provide for us on the 3rd quarter? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:35:11Yeah, I'm going to give you best estimate at this coming quarter and then when the timing is. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:35:20Okay, great. I'll just pick the knit on the FX just one more time so I'm clear. Your prior revenue forecast of 2%-4% assumed no FX, I believe. Right? The 4%-6% now has 1 point of FX in it, is that correct? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:35:39Yeah, yeah, that's correct. The way to look at it, and it's written down somewhere, is basically taking average FX year-to-date and using that number for the second half. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:35:54Yep. Okay. All right, thanks a lot. I'll leave it there. Appreciate it, thanks. Operator00:36:00Thank you. We'll move next to Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Deane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:36:05Thank you. Good morning everyone. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:36:06Hi. Deane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:36:06Hey, just want to circle back on this high growth opportunity in data center. Deane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:36:14Can you size for us what it is. Deane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:36:17Is today combined between the thermal connectors and heat exchangers? What percent of revenues and would you ever set up like a dedicated team to go after this opportunity? I mean, there's, you know, industry estimates that there's nine years of backlog. It just seems like, you know, are you doing enough to capture your share of wallet? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:36:45I'm not going to monetize it for you, Deane, but I can tell you that we are the leaders in the connectors and probably co-leader in the heat exchangers for the market size. We've built out capacity and are building out capacity to accommodate what the projected volumes are. I don't expect from a market share point of view that we're going to not be able to compete. I just think that we've got to be careful with this. You know, we saw all those announcements about EV battery plants that turned out to be a lot lower and I'm in no position to say. We have dedicated teams for both those product lines, so we're known. It's just very difficult to believe what the size of the capacity that's going to go in. I hope it's higher. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:37:44Right. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:37:44We are in front, we are over-capacitized in both those products. Deane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:37:50That's really helpful. If we start thinking about pump margins going forward, how much, like, I'll call it project selectivity, are you avoiding some lower margin business and just being able to get a mix up in terms of the types of platforms that you're now targeting? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:38:14Yeah, I mean if you go back to Slide 10, that's part and parcel kind of the business model. What we've gotten out of, you can't see what we've gotten out of inside those individual segments. We've exited quite a few business lines or geographies based on returns over time. That is something that never ends. It becomes a question of at what point do you exit businesses like we exited Environmental Services Group. That was actually accretive to our margin, but it just wasn't going to carry the valuation for us to treat it. That's kind of what we do on the portfolio side. We recycle the total cash flow of the business and then, if we do this correctly, rotate into higher margin portions of the portfolio. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:39:13Great. Thanks for that color. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:39:15Thanks. Jack DickensVP of Investor Relations at Dover Corporation00:39:17Thank you. Our next question will come from Brett Linzey with Mizuho. Brett LinzeyManaging Director at Mizuho00:39:22Hey, good morning. All right, I wanted to come back to tariffs. You had previously sized it at $215 million annualized. I think there was $60 million from just the one product line you're looking to reshore, I guess first, any update on the $60 million and then more broadly, did you remark the tariffs back to the higher rates or did you let it flow throughout these lower levels for the balance of the year? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:39:51Yeah, you know, I wish we made paperclips because it would be easy. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:39:57Right. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:39:57There's a competitive dynamic, there's positioning, you know, there's whether you want to grab market share and everything else. I think in terms of the reshoring, we're on track there. We actually subsequently to Q2 closed, I think we put in some more pricing there because of the dynamics of the business, which I won't get into. It just gets to the point where you start trying to parse this across this portfolio. When we have the advantage in that particular market, we should be able to price in excess of any input costs. If it's hyper competitive, then we're going to have to mop it up in terms of productivity actions. That is why having those productivity actions every year is a little bit of a hedge for the dynamics of the marketplace anywhere. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:40:50The reason we didn't put a slide there, we could argue this thing into the, into the dust. We don't think there's anything in the back half of the year that's an additional headwind as it relates to tariffs. You can see the margin performance through the first half and our margin performance on the forecast that we think that that dynamic will continue. At that point, it's just going to be relative comps that you see outperformance and underperformance relative to H1. Brett LinzeyManaging Director at Mizuho00:41:18Got it, thanks. Just to follow up on the July order strength, encouraging to see. Are there any specific segment drivers? Was it fairly broad based? I guess is your assumption you'll grow orders year-over-year in Q3, Q4 this year. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:41:35With a margin of error of 100 basis points, please. Yeah, right now we're tracking. That would indicate after July that book-to-bill is going to be solid. Brett LinzeyManaging Director at Mizuho00:41:48All right, great. Thanks. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:41:49You're welcome. Operator00:41:52Thank you. Our next question will come from Joe O’Dea with Wells Fargo. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:41:57Hi, good morning. When you think about the demand impact of elevated uncertainty and tariffs, and just as you've had conversations with customers over the course of the last couple of months and talking to your business leaders, what is it that folks are now looking at most closely that would drive some relief from the uncertainty overhang on demand? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:42:22I mean we deal with some incredibly large customers that I'm sure cost of capital is important in a variety of other things. And so one could argue that there's some very large projects that are waiting for cost of capital to come down to make the projects return higher. There are some customers that have significantly higher exposure to tariffs than we do. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:42:47Right. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:42:48They are trying to manage that situation. It becomes a very big plethora. In any given year when you have a mix of kind of consumable businesses and project businesses, they tend to run the same. There are really very few outliers. I said that at the end of Q2 or end of Q1, that you could sense some reticence in bigger projects because of a variety of different reasons. It does not mean the projects go away, but there is just a little bit of a drift to the right. In our particular case, nothing really changes in the second half from our first half trajectory because we are not, you know, I do not think our expectations for retail refrigeration are going to be the same. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:43:37Right. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:43:37There's only six months left, so that's going to drift to the right. But you know, we have so many businesses with so many fingers and so many pies. There's no overriding nature other than just macro uncertainty. But we seem to be doing reasonably well. Like I said, the 2nd half of the year is just an element of higher core growth rate just because of mix and comps. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:09Just a clarification related to that. The revenue growth, the 2%-4% going to 4%-6%, that. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:16Move is you get Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:44:18one point of FX, one point acquisition, and then comps the other two. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:26That is. Yeah, you have not taken out the point of conservatism that you put in a quarter ago. It is FX. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:44:33I mean, optically yes we have, but you know, it is basically the same forecast in terms or one point. It depends if you want to take bottom quartile or top quartile. If it's six, we add it back. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:46Yep, yep, got it. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:48Okay. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:49Thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:44:50You're welcome. Operator00:44:52Thank you. We will take our next question from Julian Mitchell with Barclays. Julian MitchellEquity Research Analyst at Barclays00:44:58Hi, good morning. Maybe just wanted to understand again and realize there's a lot of moving parts and so on, but is the broad brush, you know, organic sales growth assumption that, you know, you accelerated slightly from first to 2nd quarter year-on-year on organic revenue firm wide, you have a gradual acceleration in the third and then a sort of larger step up in the fourth quarter. Is that the way to think about it? And I suppose the more back-end loaded type ramps are at DEP and DCST? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:45:37Generally, yes. I think if there's any conservative, you know, what you could call conservative in the back is we're going to get FX wrong and it's going to be what current spot is. Yes, it's in our lower margin businesses, which, by the way, I mean, no one said anything that we hit 25% EBITDA in consolidation, which no one would have thought not too long ago. Yeah, it's just a little bit of mix relative to the total revenue. I don't think we did leave ourselves some room in Q4, but we talk about this every year. We're going to make a decision in another month or two what the strategy is going to be. If we see any acceleration in order rates during Q3 leading into Q4, we may take production performance up in Q4, which is positive from a margin point of view. Julian MitchellEquity Research Analyst at Barclays00:46:34That's helpful, thank you. You know, we can see the sort of headline bookings number for the second quarter and you talked a little about July. What was the broad sort of sense of demand in recent months? You know, the book-to-bill, I suppose in the 2nd quarter, maybe a touch below plan, but nothing to get worried about. Overall demand was fairly steady across your sort of largest customer categories in recent months, I guess. Was there any sign of sort of volume elasticity as price started to move up, anything like that, that sort of changed in the last couple of months? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:47:15Look, we tried to pick apart this book-to-bill based on seasonality and if you go back over time, it is actually down in Q2 and then ramps up in Q3. The only one that I would say is that from bookings, we would have thought in Q2 that refrigeration would have been better. We have taken out our full year forecast in refrigeration, just not the CO2 business because the margin was actually up. On just the standard case business, I think it is running out of time to meet our expectations. That was built into the forecast. As I mentioned before, the portfolio arguably is more short term today than it was in the past. We are not worried about bookings in the quarter and the fact that it has begun to ramp up. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:48:10If you back test that over the last five years, it is doing what it always does. No, I do not think anything has changed in terms of booking. You know, we always worry about we have had great bookings that does it just come down in the back half of the year as our customers clear the inventory? We do not generally, we almost take it 90 day in increments from where we are. Based on what we see in July, we are encouraged by the trajectory of the bookings. Julian MitchellEquity Research Analyst at Barclays00:48:42That's great. Thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:48:44You're welcome. Thanks. Operator00:48:47Thank you. Our final question will come from Scott Davis with Melius Research. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:48:53Good morning, guys. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:48:54Hey, Scott. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:48:55Final question. Last but not least, I hope. We just went through an entire call, and no one asked about M&A, which I find kind of interesting because the portfolio itself I do not think can drive 16% EPS growth forever without a healthy dose and velocity of M&A. Where, you know, the SIKORA deal looks interesting? Are there other SIKORAs out there? How do you guys kind of think about that? Do you disagree with my statement? Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:49:26I guess too, because Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:49:28I'm glad you asked it. Yeah, look, I mean, at the end of the day we never get any credit for capital deployment. That's just the way it is to a certain extent. I will tell you that we've got close to $400 million in revenue under LOI, meaning that we've got letters of intent on a total of $400 million worth of revenue. Realistically I can tell you I've got $50 million. But real M&A that gets consummated within six to eight months. Will we transact on all of them? No, but can we transact between now and the end of the year on it? Absolutely we can. You know, capital deployment is important to us. I think the nature of our capital employment is going to be what you've seen over the last five years. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:50:30No big swings, but part and parcel for us to continue driving the margin up of the portfolio. M&A is a factor. There's been not a lot of deals out there. This notion of what is customer expectation and the deals aren't coming to market because everybody's waiting for the cost of capital to come down, blah, blah, blah. The deals that we have out there for the most part are proprietary deals. They're not auctions where the nature of the businesses are low in execution risk because of the size of the deals. I feel pretty good, despite the lack of deals coming to market. I like the ones that we've got in the pipe. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:51:20Yeah, that makes sense. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:51:22Hey, I got to ask this question. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:51:23I mean you mentioned 20% of your portfolio, growing double digits, sector growth platform. That all makes sense. What does that imply for the other 80%? The simple answer is always GDP. Not all our children can be above average. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:51:41What do you think about the. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:51:42Other 80% in aggregate and I guess maybe a different way to ask questions. What do you think that, what do you think your entitlement growth rate is in this new portfolio? Because it has, Dover has changed a fair amount since you've been, since you've gotten there. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:51:59Yeah, I mean, I don't want to back into the GDP one. I think what's important in terms of the platform is four of the five are organically driven. So in terms of what that growth, four out of the five is a reflection of that. We actually have stepped up R&D over the last six years. So that's the fruits kind of our own labor, which I think is sometimes lost in the conversation. The only one of those on slide eight that is largely driven by M&A is the clean energy component business, which has changed the dynamics of the value of what was the fueling solutions business. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to go through them one by one, but we have different business models that we're running here. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:52:53We're running some that look like they don't grow, but it's us just exiting portions of those portfolios that just are never going to reach the value that we want. If you went back and looked over time at the clean energy business and you take away the acquisitions that were made there, we willingly shrunk portions of that business. Same thing with refrigeration. We exited, I would venture to say, a couple hundred million worth of revenue because it wasn't providing the returns that we wanted. That's why you see the margin increase in that business go significantly higher than where it was in the past. I know it's hard to read through because it looks like, hey, wait a minute, this thing doesn't grow. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:53:39We've been up until very recently shrinking organically to willfully drive value within the portfolio by bringing the margins up, which I think we like, the businesses that we have now and I think go forward you'll see the real organic growth rate as opposed to kind of us cleaning up the portfolio over time. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:54:05That makes a ton of sense. I appreciate the integrity of the answer and the honesty, so thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:54:10Thanks, Scott. Operator00:54:14Thank you. That concludes our question-and-answer period and Dover second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. You may now disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJack DickensVP of Investor RelationsRichard J. TobinCEOChris WoenkerCFOAnalystsMike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at BairdChris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan StanleySteve TusaManaging Director at JP MorganNigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe ResearchAndrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of AmericaJeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research PartnersDeane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital MarketsBrett LinzeyManaging Director at MizuhoJoe O'deaManaging Director at Wells FargoJulian MitchellEquity Research Analyst at BarclaysScott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius ResearchPowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Dover Q2 2025 Earnings FAQ Did Dover beat earnings estimates for Q2 2025? 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning and welcome to Dover second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Speaking today are Richard J. Tobin, President and Chief Executive Officer, Chris Woenker, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Jack Dickens, Vice President, Investor Relations. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer period. If you'd like to ask a question during this time, please press the star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star 2. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, this conference is being recorded and your participation implies consent to our recording of this call. If you do not agree with these terms, please disconnect at this time. Thank you. I would like to now turn the call over to Mr. Jack Dickens. Please go ahead. Jack DickensVP of Investor Relations at Dover Corporation00:00:48Thank you. Stephanie, good morning everyone and thank you for joining our call. An audio version of this call will be available on our website through August 14th and a replay link of the webcast will be archived for 90 days. Our comments today will include forward-looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results and events could differ from those statements due to a number of risks and uncertainties which are discussed in our SEC filings. We assume no obligation to update our forward-looking statements. With that, I will turn this call over to Rich. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:01:20Thanks Jack. Let's get started on slide three. Dover's 2nd quarter results were strong, driven by excellent production performance, positive margin mix from our growth platforms, and carry forward cost actions taken in prior periods. Top line performance accelerated in the quarter on broad based shipment growth in short cycle components and outperformance over secular growth exposed end markets. Order trends continued to be positive momentum in the quarter, up 7% year-over-year, bolstering our confidence in the second half outlook, with the majority of our third quarter revenue already in backlog. As an anecdote, July orders are tracking really well going into the back end of the third quarter. Margin performance in the quarter was exemplary, with a record adjusted segment EBITDA margins above 25% as a result of prior period portfolio actions, positive mix from the growth platforms, and our rigorous cost containment and productivity actions. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:02:23Adjusted EPS was up 16% in the quarter. Our solid operational results were complemented by ongoing capital deployment actions. We continue to invest in high ROI organic capital projects, including productivity and capacity expansion, as well as targeted footprint optimization. During the quarter, we also completed two acquisitions of attractive, fast growing assets within our high priority Pumps & Process Solutions segment. Our balance sheet strength remains an advantage that provides flexibility as we pursue value creating capital deployment to further expand our businesses in high growth, high margin areas. We are approaching the second half of the year constructively, despite some macroeconomic noise. Underlying end market demand is healthy and is supported by our sustained order rates. As a result, we are raising our full year adjusted EPS guidance to $9.35-$9.55, which is +14% for the full year at midpoint. Let's go to slide five. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:03:34Engineered Products revenue was down in the quarter on lower volumes of vehicle services. We did see improving sentiment in vehicle services as the quarter progressed, most notably in North America where book-to-bill was north of 1. Margin performance for the segment was up on structural cost management and productivity. Clean Energy & Fueling was up 8% in the quarter, led by strong shipments in clean energy components, fluid transport, and North American retail fueling software and equipment. Margin performance was solid in the quarter, up 80 basis points on volume leverage, higher mix of below ground fueling equipment, and restructuring benefit carry forward. Imaging & ID was stable on growth in our core marking and coating business, partially offset with timing of textiles. Margin performance remains exemplary in the segment at 28% adjusted EBITDA margin. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:04:29Management actions on cost to serve and structural cost controls continue to drive incremental margins higher. Pumps & Process Solutions was up 4% organically on double digit growth in single use biopharma components, thermal connectors for liquid cooling of data centers, and digital controls of midstream natural gas compression. Industrial pumps posted solid results as well and as forecasted the long cycle polymer processing equipment business was down year-over-year though quoting activity improved in the quarter and book-to-bill was ahead of one segment. Revenue performance including the acquisition of SIKORA and volume leverage drove margin improvement on excellent production performance. Volume and secular growth exposed end markets. Revenue was down in the quarter in climate sustainability on the comparative declines in food retail cases and engineering services which more than offset the record quarterly volumes in CO2 systems. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:05:32Heat exchangers was up sequentially and year-over-year on record quarterly shipments in North America where we are actively increasing capacity to accommodate growing demand tied to liquid cooling of data centers. Shipments of heat exchangers for installation in European heat market heat pumps was down slightly in the quarter but are expected to inflect positively in the 2nd half of the year. Despite the lower top line, the segment posted 60 basis points of margin improvement against a difficult comp period on productivity actions and a higher mix of CO2 systems. I'll pass it on to Chris here. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:06:12Thanks Rich. Good morning everyone. Let's go to our cash flow statement on Slide 6. Year-to-date, free cash flow is $261 million or 7% of revenue, up $41 million over the prior year, as year-over-year improvements in operating cash conversion more than offset expected increases in capital spend on growth and productivity projects. We expect cash flow generation to accelerate in the second half of the year, in line with historical trends, as seasonal working capital liquidation in the third and fourth quarters should more than offset continued investments in productivity, capacity expansion and cost structure optimization projects, which are expected to generate meaningful benefits into 2026 and beyond. Our guidance for 2025 free cash flow remains on track at 14%-16% of revenue on strong conversion of operating cash flow. With that, let me turn it back. To Rich, Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:07:01okay, let me try as I might on bookings. Let's give this one a whirl here. Here we provide more detail than usual, although I guess the reaction is murky. In the 2nd quarter, Q2 consolidated bookings were up 7% over the prior year. They were also up sequentially, marking a continued momentum across our business. Year-to-date, book-to-bill is above 1 across all five segments, with particular strength in our highest margin and secular growth markets, an encouraging sign as we move into the second half. Let's go to slide 8, slide 8, which highlights several of the end markets that are driving our consolidated growth forecast and our margin. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:07:48Between end market data and our customer forecasts and our own booking rates, we are encouraged by the outlook in the broader industrial gas complex with cleaner energy components and precision clean energy components, single-use biopharma components, CO2 refrigeration systems, and inputs into liquid cooling applications of data centers, which includes our large heat exchanger business. We have made significant organic and inorganic investments behind these markets, and they remain one of our highest priority areas for investment going forward, which we'll talk about in a minute. In aggregate, these markets now account for 20% of our portfolio and drive attractive margin accretion and expected double-digit growth, which I think we're on track as of the close of Q2. Let's go to 9. Our organic investments remain our highest priority of capital deployment. We are moving forward and in fact accelerating a number of organic investments despite the near-term uncertainty. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:08:53The macro sentiment, here we show some of our most meaningful and high ROI capital projects that we're undertaking in 2025. You'll see a healthy balance between growth capacity expansions behind some of our highest priority platforms as well as productivity and automation investments, including rooftop consolidations. We put in the press release that we are tallying up these savings and will provide an update in our next quarterly call as to the absolute quantum of the savings roll forward benefit into 2026. Suffice to say that given the scale of the projects, we expect the savings to be meaningful. This is in line with our goal each year to drive non-revenue profit generation through fixed cost reduction programs. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:09:43So. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:09:46We're kind of midstream. Let's deal with the footprint projects and the reshoring. We're in good shape in terms of the timing as Chris mentioned, that is going to be reflected in our cash flow or our CapEx projections for the year. The timing of it and some of these projects are quite complex. When we talk about going from eliminating six rooftops for example, by the time we get to Q3, we'll have an idea of the timing of the roll forward of these benefits that are not, you know, will we catch a bit of it in Q4? Maybe, but the vast majority of it will be the non-revenue profit of these restructuring. What you're going to see between now and the end of the year is the CapEx inflect up and the restructuring charges come as we start to take down some of these operations. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:10:47What was the total roll forward this year? Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:10:52About $30 million. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:10:53$30 million of savings are reflected in this year's accounts. That is why you see with at least year-to-date, not a lot of revenue growth. I think we have got easier comps in the second half of the year. You see the margin accretion and meaningful contributor to some of those margins is last year's roll forward. I would expect that next year would be the same, if not better. The biggest single project that we have is one of the rooftop ones. We will probably catch that in the latter half of next year. Let us go to slide. When we take a look at what we have taken every year in terms of margin expansion, it is close to 100 basis points a year. A good portion of that is revenue mix. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:11:53A variety of things that we are doing in the portfolio, but a meaningful portion of that is, let us call it productivity. If our business model continues in its current trajectory of improving the portfolio, upgrading the mix within individual segments, we also look and put goals on the businesses of meaningful productivity of which a lot of it is things like rooftop consolidation and the reduction of fixed costs. I cannot give it to you now because I do not want to give you a number that is incorrect, but we think that at minimum the benefit in 2026 is going to be the same. Excuse me, the minimum that we are seeing in 2025 will be 2026, but the total quantum is going to be larger. That is what is in the pipe. It is just a question of do we realize it in 2026 or 2027. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:12:47Okay, now I got myself off the script. Sure, that is upsetting to everybody. You know what, I will take slide 11. The bottom line is if you look at the margin accretion here, it is upgraded mix. I am talking about 2025 productivity, all the things I just talked about. There is the look for the back half of the year. We are not calling for any margin dilution, but you can see in terms of what our organic growth rate is the year, the back half, largely because of the acceleration on our growth platforms and easier comps that we had to the back half of last year. That is why you see the organic growth estimate for the last year. We can go to Q&A in a second whether there is anything more meaningful there. Oh, I am sure. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:13:40What do we use for the back half for dollar or dollar-euro in the back half? Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:13:45Yeah, we have a range of outcomes, but one of them was carrying forward current rates. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:13:49Right. So look, we back tested the volatility of the 1st half of the year and then used that for the 2nd half of the year. I find that I can't predict FX. Using prevailing spot rates for the whole back of the year based on the volatility we saw at the beginning there, I think is a bit ambitious. If FX rates, at least dollar euro, stays the same, then that's good for translation and maybe gives us 100 basis points of increased revenue in the back half. I'm sure we can beat that to death in the Q and A. Why don't we go to Q and A, Jack? Operator00:14:27Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, simply press the star and then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star two. We ask the participants limit themselves to one question and one follow up question. Our first question will come from Mike Halloran with Baird. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:14:45Hey, good morning everyone. Hey. A couple clarifying questions. First, talk about pretty happy with the trajectory through the quarter. You know, it's tough organic order comps. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:15:00Could you just give us a. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:15:01Sense for how you thought things played out sequentially through the quarter relative to previous expectations and frame how things have changed from your perspective going into the back half of the year versus not. It seems like you're at or above the trajectory you would have been talking about entering the year with the original guide. We just had to deal with some volatility in the middle. Any context there would be great. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:15:27Generally speaking, with all the noise around tariffs and price, cost and everything else, clearly the margin performance through the first half of the year is slightly above expectation. Now, having said that, we're beginning to lap comps on biopharma and everything else. So that's a big contributor to the mix benefit. I think the only portion of the portfolio that is a little lighter in terms of volume would be on cryogenic components because there seems to be a lot of notional backlog based on talking to our customer that's kind of sliding to the right. I think that we commented that at the beginning of the year and I think the traditional refrigeration case business is behind and that's a pretty big business. That is, we would have thought that revenue performance there would have been, would have been a little bit better. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:16:28But because of margin mix across the portfolio, anecdotally that business is not dilutive to our margins anymore, but it's two for one, a little bit between the precision components and the data center business. Overall, I mean, I think our expectation in core refrigeration is clearly now going to be behind what we thought at the beginning of the year. Because the growth platforms are so accretive to our margins, you know, 100 basis points, there is 200 basis points on refrigeration. Optically on book-to-bill, it's $20 million. I think that's the difference for the quarter between. I guess I should have stopped the last shipment of the month somewhere because then we would have been at one and then we won't be hammering that issue year-over-year on H1 to the kind of on the sequential, we're still up overall on book-to-bill. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:17:35As I said, we went and polled everybody because we haven't closed July yet. Nobody said that the momentum on bookings was poor. We're starting off Q3 on a bookings basis. It looks good. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:17:54Maybe you could bridge the first half to the 2nd half or, sorry, what's changed in the guidance is maybe the better way to put it. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:18:02I mean, we're ahead. Yeah, we're ahead right on where we thought we would be. Right. All we're doing is rolling forward where we're kind of head into the back half. Now the question is, and we deal with this every year, we deal with at the end of Q3, we will look where we are on bookings, momentum and then we're going to make, we're going to decide what we're going to do in Q4 of whether we cut production performance and maximize cash flow for the year. We won't make that decision until probably mid this quarter based on bookings, momentum and backlog. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:18:45If I put it in the context of what's changed though, it's you took away the cautionary language from last quarter on the growth, yet you had SIKORA maybe a little movement on FX. I don't really want to blame 1%, but bottom line. Yeah, bottom line is no real change to the momentum you would have been talking about other than removing the cautionary language. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:19:07Yeah, I mean, look, I mean our EPS at midpoint is 14%. We're aiming towards the top of the range, which is 16% year-over-year, which will put us in terms of top quartile to our comps. Mike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at Baird00:19:24Perfect. Yep. That's our question for. Thank you. Jack DickensVP of Investor Relations at Dover Corporation00:19:29Thank you. We'll take our next question from Chris Snyder with Morgan Stanley. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:19:34Thank you. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:19:35I wanted to ask about competitive dynamics in the market. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:19:38You guys have a lot of North America production. You guys compete against a lot of smaller competitors. Are there any verticals where you're starting to see share shifts or maybe it's still too early for that? Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:19:53Is there any change you're seeing? Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:19:55In the price environment post de-escalation? Thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:20:02Okay. I mean clearly on price, total cost, we're in a positive position, so we would expect we don't see any particular headwinds coming either way. We are pretty much out with our total pricing that we're putting out. We expect some accretion in terms of the margin unless something unknown pops up in terms of price cost. Yeah, I mean our business model is competing with smaller competitors and that allows us ability to either extract pricing or manage input costs probably more effectively. Can't say yet about share because we won't because the dynamic of the restock at the beginning of the Q1 had a lot of kind of restock in there and now you're just basically booking and shipping based on current conditions of demand. Thank you, appreciate that. Maybe just a follow up on some of the prior questions around the back half. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:17There's a lot of moving parts. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:19Here with price, FX, acquisitions. Could you just kind of maybe level. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:23Set what the guide calls for in. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:26Volumes in the back half of the year and kind of how that compares to where volumes have been tracking out. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:31In the 1st half. Chris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:21:32Thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:21:32There's no dramatic change. We've made up kind of some headwinds. I mentioned refrigeration, some headwinds in terms of demand and vehicle services. At least in the first half there is amount of rotation because I think that Q1 in biopharma was probably. That was a little bit of restocking just because you can see from some of the market participants calling for kind of there was a restocking in terms of Q1 and now it's pretty. The growth rate there is probably going to come down in the second half of the year, at least in terms of comps because biopharma and to a lesser extent thermal connectors have begun to grow. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:22:28The relative outperformance will kind of flatten out in the second half of the year and then some of the businesses that have not been as strong in the 1st half will start to come back. That's mildly dilutive to consolidated margins, but not dramatically. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:22:49Thank you. Operator00:22:52Thank you. Our next question will come from Steve Tusa with JPMorgan. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:22:57Hey, good morning. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:22:58Hi. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:23:02I just wanted to dig into the margins a little more in the second half here. I mean obviously you're coming from a pretty good base. I think you had said on the last call or maybe in the follow up with Jack that the total segment incremental would be just below 40% because of these tariff dynamics. I think where you are today, kind of the jumping off point of the 2Q suggests something a little better than that. Maybe just some rough guidance around what you would expect for total segment incrementals. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:23:34This year for 2025. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:23:36Yeah, sure. I mean there's total incrementals and then there's by business incrementals. I think as I just said, because of the relative growth rates between H1 and H2, your incremental is going to come down because they're lower margin businesses as opposed to we got off to a really good start in DPPS for example. That's going to just flatten out relatively based on the contribution of relative contributions to those revenues. As you can see, it's mix at the end of the day, you know, you look at slide 11, we're calling for everything to be up. The incremental in aggregate is going to come down. That's kind of what we're looking at. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:24:25Look, you know, you know this, I mean we're a bit of a short, the portfolio is more short cycle now than it was in the past just because of the contribution of the longer cycle businesses and because really there's no lack of capacity in the market for most of the products that we have. Lead times and visibility going forward on the portfolio is a little bit more difficult. We're almost kind of guessing every 90 days of how cycle is going to go. We're not going to try to manage the total EBITDA margin of the portfolio. We do it at the business level on contribution margin but we don't try to do it at the total. Could it be better? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:25:09I think the caution based on the forecast that we have today on the relative contribution, it's more mix related than pricing or input or anything else. All of that is covered in the full year EPS. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:25:23Right. It just seems to me though that I think you're trending like 23 point, 22.6 something in that range. 1st half year, 2nd half just kind of seasonally should be better than that is my guess on the 2nd half. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:25:39You need what you need to understand and I hope it's not the case. If we look and we think that we can catch up on our backlog in Q1, we'll dial down, we'll flush as much inventory as we can and keep that production performance for 2026. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:25:55Okay. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:25:56Just one last question. You're going to be exiting, I think, at like above a 5%, a mid-single-digit type of organic growth rate in the fourth quarter. You've talked about the cost savings. You got a little acquisition tailwind. I mean, should we think about next year kind of the EPS algo being pretty similar to this year, maybe a little bit better. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:26:17I got to say with the margin performance and I do not see any reason for that to come down. A full year of this incremental margin plus a bigger cost savings target roll forward. We are very excited about what the incremental margin on revenue is going to track to in 2026. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:26:40Got it. Steve TusaManaging Director at JP Morgan00:26:41That's not murky, that's crystal clear. Thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:26:47Touche all right, next. Operator00:26:50Thank you. Our next question comes from Nigel Coe with Wolfe Research. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:26:55Thanks. Good morning, guys. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:26:56Hi. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:26:57Rich, pricing obviously really good and it sounds like price is pretty much set here. No surcharge, rollback, etc. I think the one business that is lagging behind is CST, probably because demand is quite weak there. I am just wondering if there is scope for pricing at CST to improve for the year. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:27:20Let me see, how do we get to pull this apart here. Yeah, I mean the CSP is more absorption right now because the core business is 20. Core business is 20. That is with a lack of Belvac. I think we're just going to have to wait for Belvac volume to come back. We're not even modeling that in at all for the balance of the year. You were coming off a very big margin on heat exchangers during the torrid days of heat pumps in Europe. That is slowly coming up as that market comes. That's a 25% EBITDA margin business. It's not there today. Right. As it ramps back up, and it's going to ramp back up for two reasons, that heat pumps are coming back but they're way below where they were with the peak. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:28:30We don't have a ton of dilution there because the data center portion of that business, which is accretive as a product line there, comes back. We believe right now making that margin, considering the headwinds we had to peak and the fact that we brought back the traditional case business at the volume that we thought we were going to have this year, which I mentioned before, that it's slow, that's 20% EBITDA margin. It's just all mix right now. We've got plenty of room to move it up. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:29:04It's also a segment obviously we talked about. We've done a lot of structural cost work. We've got a good, you know, tailwind for a mix on our CO2 product line. So we see we're also seeing some positive trends there as well. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:29:17The single biggest productivity project that we have on that slide nine is in that segment. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:29:25Okay. Yeah. The question is more about pricing, I think. I think price was 0.2%. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:29:30It's all at the margin. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:29:33Okay, okay. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:29:35A quick one. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:29:36Just going back to Biopharma. You talked about the first half, 2nd half with the restocking, etc. There has been a bit of noise in some of the biopharma, more life science than biopharma. Just wondering, are you seeing any project pushes, etc. Because we are hearing a bit of noise in those markets. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:29:58Yeah, it's really hard for us. I mean we look at the same people that you look at, they're customers of ours. Remember that ours is more weighted towards in-use product than it is for new builds. As long as the machines that have been delivered are out there and they're running, it's consuming our product. It's not on marginal build of new product. Nigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe Research00:30:25Okay. Very clear. Thanks, Rich. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:30:27Thanks. Operator00:30:29Thank you. We'll move next to Andrew Obin with Bank of America. Andrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of America00:30:33Yeah. Good morning. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:30:34Hi. Andrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of America00:30:37The question is, can you talk about any tariff uncertainty impact on orders in the quarter? As best as you can tell. What I'm trying to get to is that was there any pull forward or do you mainly see delays in pushouts? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:30:52More than pushouts. Andrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of America00:30:55Is there a specific vertical? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:30:58Yeah, I mean it's on refrigeration. Now, the non-CO2 portion of refrigeration has been lighter. Projects that we had scheduled based on customer discussion slid to the right, which is not, you know, it's the retail to the consumer portion of the market. Companies have more pressure at the end of the day. To see it in retail food is not surprising overall. We look at it as a kind of a proxy. We're shipping CO2 systems at a robust rate. You need cases when you do those systems. It's just a lag effect. Andrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of America00:31:45Just to follow up on the push out. Did you also, on cryogenics, is it LNG that's being pushed out? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:31:52Yeah, mostly the whole, the whole system. It's, it's the infrastructure build is taking a little bit longer than we would have thought and we're kind of some of the last things that go in there, including transport. It is still good. It is just not as robust as customer communication would lead to. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:32:17Let me ask you a question about a business where there's probably a little bit more growth. What were bookings for data center exposed businesses and specifically thermal connectors and SWEP? You're adding capacity in both. So fair to say you're a believer in the data center build-out? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:32:34Yeah. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:32:36I mean for our small portion of the billions of dollars going into it. Yeah. What's our growth rate on thermal connectors year to date? Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:32:4450. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:32:4550. Andrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of America00:32:47And SWEP? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:32:51I'm sure the percentage is very high, but it's smaller. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:32:56Okay. Smaller starting point. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:32:58Right. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:33:00Thanks so much. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:33:02Thanks. Operator00:33:04Thank you. We'll take our next question from Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research Partners. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:33:09Hey, good morning, everyone. Hey, Rich. One place where you did confuse me and maybe I haven't had enough coffee this morning, but just on the restructuring, just to be clear, so you're saying the wraparound actions from last year's work is a $30 million benefit this year and at this point on the stuff that you're working on this year, you see at least $30 million next year, is that. That's correct? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:33:35Yeah, I think the number is going to be bigger. We just want to get the timing of how much is captured in 2026 and with the full roll forward, is it in 2027. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:33:46Right. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:33:48You'll be able to. You'll see it because you'll see it in our CapEx number and you'll see it in our cash flow when we do the restructuring. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:33:58What is the sort of the uncertainty in your mind and kind of tallying up the current actions? Obviously you would have undertaken those with a return expectation. Is there some really big variability in how, you know, these projects really manifest or the fruit that they bear? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:34:15Yeah, the footprint ones are difficult. I mean these are building new factories at the end of the day. We're very careful about the timing. It's not the return, the return is going to be material, it's just how much do we get in 2026. You know, you can't treat all of it as restructuring because you have to run redundant capacity. There's actually a negative cost as you're completing these things. In terms of where we're tracking on the projects themselves, we're all, I guess we're more in front than we are behind and that's why I think that we tipped up CapEx forecast for the year is to accommodate that. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:35:01Right. The dust should settle on all that as we exit 2026 and we should see sort of full run rate in 2027. That's the number you're going to provide for us on the 3rd quarter? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:35:11Yeah, I'm going to give you best estimate at this coming quarter and then when the timing is. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:35:20Okay, great. I'll just pick the knit on the FX just one more time so I'm clear. Your prior revenue forecast of 2%-4% assumed no FX, I believe. Right? The 4%-6% now has 1 point of FX in it, is that correct? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:35:39Yeah, yeah, that's correct. The way to look at it, and it's written down somewhere, is basically taking average FX year-to-date and using that number for the second half. Jeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research Partners00:35:54Yep. Okay. All right, thanks a lot. I'll leave it there. Appreciate it, thanks. Operator00:36:00Thank you. We'll move next to Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Deane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:36:05Thank you. Good morning everyone. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:36:06Hi. Deane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:36:06Hey, just want to circle back on this high growth opportunity in data center. Deane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:36:14Can you size for us what it is. Deane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:36:17Is today combined between the thermal connectors and heat exchangers? What percent of revenues and would you ever set up like a dedicated team to go after this opportunity? I mean, there's, you know, industry estimates that there's nine years of backlog. It just seems like, you know, are you doing enough to capture your share of wallet? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:36:45I'm not going to monetize it for you, Deane, but I can tell you that we are the leaders in the connectors and probably co-leader in the heat exchangers for the market size. We've built out capacity and are building out capacity to accommodate what the projected volumes are. I don't expect from a market share point of view that we're going to not be able to compete. I just think that we've got to be careful with this. You know, we saw all those announcements about EV battery plants that turned out to be a lot lower and I'm in no position to say. We have dedicated teams for both those product lines, so we're known. It's just very difficult to believe what the size of the capacity that's going to go in. I hope it's higher. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:37:44Right. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:37:44We are in front, we are over-capacitized in both those products. Deane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:37:50That's really helpful. If we start thinking about pump margins going forward, how much, like, I'll call it project selectivity, are you avoiding some lower margin business and just being able to get a mix up in terms of the types of platforms that you're now targeting? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:38:14Yeah, I mean if you go back to Slide 10, that's part and parcel kind of the business model. What we've gotten out of, you can't see what we've gotten out of inside those individual segments. We've exited quite a few business lines or geographies based on returns over time. That is something that never ends. It becomes a question of at what point do you exit businesses like we exited Environmental Services Group. That was actually accretive to our margin, but it just wasn't going to carry the valuation for us to treat it. That's kind of what we do on the portfolio side. We recycle the total cash flow of the business and then, if we do this correctly, rotate into higher margin portions of the portfolio. Chris WoenkerCFO at Dover Corporation00:39:13Great. Thanks for that color. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:39:15Thanks. Jack DickensVP of Investor Relations at Dover Corporation00:39:17Thank you. Our next question will come from Brett Linzey with Mizuho. Brett LinzeyManaging Director at Mizuho00:39:22Hey, good morning. All right, I wanted to come back to tariffs. You had previously sized it at $215 million annualized. I think there was $60 million from just the one product line you're looking to reshore, I guess first, any update on the $60 million and then more broadly, did you remark the tariffs back to the higher rates or did you let it flow throughout these lower levels for the balance of the year? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:39:51Yeah, you know, I wish we made paperclips because it would be easy. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:39:57Right. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:39:57There's a competitive dynamic, there's positioning, you know, there's whether you want to grab market share and everything else. I think in terms of the reshoring, we're on track there. We actually subsequently to Q2 closed, I think we put in some more pricing there because of the dynamics of the business, which I won't get into. It just gets to the point where you start trying to parse this across this portfolio. When we have the advantage in that particular market, we should be able to price in excess of any input costs. If it's hyper competitive, then we're going to have to mop it up in terms of productivity actions. That is why having those productivity actions every year is a little bit of a hedge for the dynamics of the marketplace anywhere. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:40:50The reason we didn't put a slide there, we could argue this thing into the, into the dust. We don't think there's anything in the back half of the year that's an additional headwind as it relates to tariffs. You can see the margin performance through the first half and our margin performance on the forecast that we think that that dynamic will continue. At that point, it's just going to be relative comps that you see outperformance and underperformance relative to H1. Brett LinzeyManaging Director at Mizuho00:41:18Got it, thanks. Just to follow up on the July order strength, encouraging to see. Are there any specific segment drivers? Was it fairly broad based? I guess is your assumption you'll grow orders year-over-year in Q3, Q4 this year. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:41:35With a margin of error of 100 basis points, please. Yeah, right now we're tracking. That would indicate after July that book-to-bill is going to be solid. Brett LinzeyManaging Director at Mizuho00:41:48All right, great. Thanks. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:41:49You're welcome. Operator00:41:52Thank you. Our next question will come from Joe O’Dea with Wells Fargo. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:41:57Hi, good morning. When you think about the demand impact of elevated uncertainty and tariffs, and just as you've had conversations with customers over the course of the last couple of months and talking to your business leaders, what is it that folks are now looking at most closely that would drive some relief from the uncertainty overhang on demand? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:42:22I mean we deal with some incredibly large customers that I'm sure cost of capital is important in a variety of other things. And so one could argue that there's some very large projects that are waiting for cost of capital to come down to make the projects return higher. There are some customers that have significantly higher exposure to tariffs than we do. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:42:47Right. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:42:48They are trying to manage that situation. It becomes a very big plethora. In any given year when you have a mix of kind of consumable businesses and project businesses, they tend to run the same. There are really very few outliers. I said that at the end of Q2 or end of Q1, that you could sense some reticence in bigger projects because of a variety of different reasons. It does not mean the projects go away, but there is just a little bit of a drift to the right. In our particular case, nothing really changes in the second half from our first half trajectory because we are not, you know, I do not think our expectations for retail refrigeration are going to be the same. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:43:37Right. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:43:37There's only six months left, so that's going to drift to the right. But you know, we have so many businesses with so many fingers and so many pies. There's no overriding nature other than just macro uncertainty. But we seem to be doing reasonably well. Like I said, the 2nd half of the year is just an element of higher core growth rate just because of mix and comps. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:09Just a clarification related to that. The revenue growth, the 2%-4% going to 4%-6%, that. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:16Move is you get Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:44:18one point of FX, one point acquisition, and then comps the other two. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:26That is. Yeah, you have not taken out the point of conservatism that you put in a quarter ago. It is FX. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:44:33I mean, optically yes we have, but you know, it is basically the same forecast in terms or one point. It depends if you want to take bottom quartile or top quartile. If it's six, we add it back. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:46Yep, yep, got it. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:48Okay. Joe O'deaManaging Director at Wells Fargo00:44:49Thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:44:50You're welcome. Operator00:44:52Thank you. We will take our next question from Julian Mitchell with Barclays. Julian MitchellEquity Research Analyst at Barclays00:44:58Hi, good morning. Maybe just wanted to understand again and realize there's a lot of moving parts and so on, but is the broad brush, you know, organic sales growth assumption that, you know, you accelerated slightly from first to 2nd quarter year-on-year on organic revenue firm wide, you have a gradual acceleration in the third and then a sort of larger step up in the fourth quarter. Is that the way to think about it? And I suppose the more back-end loaded type ramps are at DEP and DCST? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:45:37Generally, yes. I think if there's any conservative, you know, what you could call conservative in the back is we're going to get FX wrong and it's going to be what current spot is. Yes, it's in our lower margin businesses, which, by the way, I mean, no one said anything that we hit 25% EBITDA in consolidation, which no one would have thought not too long ago. Yeah, it's just a little bit of mix relative to the total revenue. I don't think we did leave ourselves some room in Q4, but we talk about this every year. We're going to make a decision in another month or two what the strategy is going to be. If we see any acceleration in order rates during Q3 leading into Q4, we may take production performance up in Q4, which is positive from a margin point of view. Julian MitchellEquity Research Analyst at Barclays00:46:34That's helpful, thank you. You know, we can see the sort of headline bookings number for the second quarter and you talked a little about July. What was the broad sort of sense of demand in recent months? You know, the book-to-bill, I suppose in the 2nd quarter, maybe a touch below plan, but nothing to get worried about. Overall demand was fairly steady across your sort of largest customer categories in recent months, I guess. Was there any sign of sort of volume elasticity as price started to move up, anything like that, that sort of changed in the last couple of months? Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:47:15Look, we tried to pick apart this book-to-bill based on seasonality and if you go back over time, it is actually down in Q2 and then ramps up in Q3. The only one that I would say is that from bookings, we would have thought in Q2 that refrigeration would have been better. We have taken out our full year forecast in refrigeration, just not the CO2 business because the margin was actually up. On just the standard case business, I think it is running out of time to meet our expectations. That was built into the forecast. As I mentioned before, the portfolio arguably is more short term today than it was in the past. We are not worried about bookings in the quarter and the fact that it has begun to ramp up. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:48:10If you back test that over the last five years, it is doing what it always does. No, I do not think anything has changed in terms of booking. You know, we always worry about we have had great bookings that does it just come down in the back half of the year as our customers clear the inventory? We do not generally, we almost take it 90 day in increments from where we are. Based on what we see in July, we are encouraged by the trajectory of the bookings. Julian MitchellEquity Research Analyst at Barclays00:48:42That's great. Thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:48:44You're welcome. Thanks. Operator00:48:47Thank you. Our final question will come from Scott Davis with Melius Research. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:48:53Good morning, guys. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:48:54Hey, Scott. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:48:55Final question. Last but not least, I hope. We just went through an entire call, and no one asked about M&A, which I find kind of interesting because the portfolio itself I do not think can drive 16% EPS growth forever without a healthy dose and velocity of M&A. Where, you know, the SIKORA deal looks interesting? Are there other SIKORAs out there? How do you guys kind of think about that? Do you disagree with my statement? Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:49:26I guess too, because Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:49:28I'm glad you asked it. Yeah, look, I mean, at the end of the day we never get any credit for capital deployment. That's just the way it is to a certain extent. I will tell you that we've got close to $400 million in revenue under LOI, meaning that we've got letters of intent on a total of $400 million worth of revenue. Realistically I can tell you I've got $50 million. But real M&A that gets consummated within six to eight months. Will we transact on all of them? No, but can we transact between now and the end of the year on it? Absolutely we can. You know, capital deployment is important to us. I think the nature of our capital employment is going to be what you've seen over the last five years. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:50:30No big swings, but part and parcel for us to continue driving the margin up of the portfolio. M&A is a factor. There's been not a lot of deals out there. This notion of what is customer expectation and the deals aren't coming to market because everybody's waiting for the cost of capital to come down, blah, blah, blah. The deals that we have out there for the most part are proprietary deals. They're not auctions where the nature of the businesses are low in execution risk because of the size of the deals. I feel pretty good, despite the lack of deals coming to market. I like the ones that we've got in the pipe. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:51:20Yeah, that makes sense. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:51:22Hey, I got to ask this question. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:51:23I mean you mentioned 20% of your portfolio, growing double digits, sector growth platform. That all makes sense. What does that imply for the other 80%? The simple answer is always GDP. Not all our children can be above average. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:51:41What do you think about the. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:51:42Other 80% in aggregate and I guess maybe a different way to ask questions. What do you think that, what do you think your entitlement growth rate is in this new portfolio? Because it has, Dover has changed a fair amount since you've been, since you've gotten there. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:51:59Yeah, I mean, I don't want to back into the GDP one. I think what's important in terms of the platform is four of the five are organically driven. So in terms of what that growth, four out of the five is a reflection of that. We actually have stepped up R&D over the last six years. So that's the fruits kind of our own labor, which I think is sometimes lost in the conversation. The only one of those on slide eight that is largely driven by M&A is the clean energy component business, which has changed the dynamics of the value of what was the fueling solutions business. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to go through them one by one, but we have different business models that we're running here. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:52:53We're running some that look like they don't grow, but it's us just exiting portions of those portfolios that just are never going to reach the value that we want. If you went back and looked over time at the clean energy business and you take away the acquisitions that were made there, we willingly shrunk portions of that business. Same thing with refrigeration. We exited, I would venture to say, a couple hundred million worth of revenue because it wasn't providing the returns that we wanted. That's why you see the margin increase in that business go significantly higher than where it was in the past. I know it's hard to read through because it looks like, hey, wait a minute, this thing doesn't grow. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:53:39We've been up until very recently shrinking organically to willfully drive value within the portfolio by bringing the margins up, which I think we like, the businesses that we have now and I think go forward you'll see the real organic growth rate as opposed to kind of us cleaning up the portfolio over time. Scott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius Research00:54:05That makes a ton of sense. I appreciate the integrity of the answer and the honesty, so thank you. Richard J. TobinCEO at Dover Corporation00:54:10Thanks, Scott. Operator00:54:14Thank you. That concludes our question-and-answer period and Dover second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. You may now disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJack DickensVP of Investor RelationsRichard J. TobinCEOChris WoenkerCFOAnalystsMike HalloranSenior Research Analyst at BairdChris SnyderExecutive Director at Morgan StanleySteve TusaManaging Director at JP MorganNigel CoeManaging Director at Wolfe ResearchAndrew ObinManaging Director of Equity Research at Bank of AmericaJeff SpragueFounder and Managing Partner at Vertical Research PartnersDeane DrayManaging Director at RBC Capital MarketsBrett LinzeyManaging Director at MizuhoJoe O'deaManaging Director at Wells FargoJulian MitchellEquity Research Analyst at BarclaysScott DavisChairman and CEO at Melius ResearchPowered by