Commercial Vehicle Group Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: CVG delivered a 12% adjusted gross margin in Q2, up 120 bps sequentially and 70 bps year-over-year, driven by operational efficiency initiatives.
  • Positive Sentiment: Free cash flow reached $17.3 million in the quarter versus $0.8 million last year, and management raised full-year FCF guidance to at least $30 million.
  • Negative Sentiment: Second-quarter revenue fell to $172 million from $193.7 million a year ago due to weaker customer demand in global Seating and Trim Systems.
  • Negative Sentiment: The company reported a net loss of $4.1 million ($0.12/share) versus a $1.3 million loss in Q2 2024, with adjusted net loss of $2.9 million compared to prior year adjusted net income.
  • Neutral Sentiment: 2025 guidance was revised lower for revenue ($650–670 million) and adjusted EBITDA ($21–25 million) while maintaining a minimum $30 million free cash flow target amid macro uncertainties.
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Earnings Conference Call
Commercial Vehicle Group Q2 2025
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There are 5 speakers on the call.

Speaker 3

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Commercial Vehicle Group, Inc.'s second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. During today's presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, the conference will be opened for questions with introductions to follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I will now like to turn the call over to Mr. Andy Cheung, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and welcome everyone to our conference call. Joining me on the call today is James Ray, President and CEO of CVG. This morning, we will provide a brief company update as well as commentary regarding our second quarter 2025 results, after which we will open the call for questions. As a reminder, this conference call is being broadcast, and a Q2 2025 earnings call presentation, which we will refer to during this call, is available on our website. Both may contain forward-looking statements, including but not limited to expectations for future periods regarding market trends, cost-saving initiatives, and new product initiatives, among others. Actual results may differ from anticipated results because of certain risks and uncertainties.

Speaker 1

These risks and uncertainties may include, but are not limited to, economic conditions in the markets in which CVG operates, fluctuations in the production volumes of vehicles for which CVG is a supplier, financial governance compliance and liquidity, risks associated with conducting business in foreign countries and currencies, and other risks as detailed in our SEC filings. I will now turn the call over to James to provide a company update.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Andy. Before I speak to the earnings presentation, I want to take a moment to thank Ruth Rasky, a CVG board member since July 2021, for her contributions, as she leaves our board for personal reasons effective August 7. Additionally, I also want to thank Scott Reed, our current Chief Operating Officer, for his contributions to the company. Scott will be leaving the company to pursue consulting opportunities effective August 29. We have a solid team in place and expect to fully execute on our plans going forward. Now, I'd like to turn your attention to the supplemental earnings presentation, starting on slide three. As we have highlighted on this slide, CVG delivered solid second quarter results and continued improvement in our profitability and free cash generation in a very challenging market environment.

Speaker 2

During the quarter, we delivered an adjusted gross margin of 12%, which is up 120 basis points on a sequential basis and up 70 basis points compared to last year. The continued improvement in profitability was again driven by the operational efficiency initiatives we have spoken to in prior calls. I will cover this in more detail in a minute. Also highlighted on this slide is our continued improvement in free cash generation. During the quarter, we delivered $17.3 million in free cash flow, which is an improvement of $16.5 million compared to last year. I will also provide more detail regarding our free cash flow performance in a moment. Another highlight of the quarter is our improved performance within the global electrical systems segment. For the quarter, we saw segment performance stabilize with revenues flat compared to prior year.

Speaker 2

Despite flat revenue, we delivered an adjusted operating income improvement of $0.4 million, driven by lower salary expense as we continue to ramp production at our new low-cost facilities. Before I move on, I'd also like to comment on our recently announced debt refinancing, which we completed and announced during the second quarter. These transactions provide us with significantly more financial flexibility as we look to advance our operational initiatives, including further cost reductions, margin improvement, and overall operational efficiency. Turning to slide four, I want to provide additional color as it relates to the continued sequential improvement we are seeing at the gross margin line. As we highlighted last quarter, the operational efficiency improvements made related to freight, labor, and plant-level overhead continue to benefit our profitability.

Speaker 2

As a reminder, we have reduced our reliance on expedited freight, optimized our terms with suppliers, and improved our lead times and order quantities. We also continue to flex our direct labor to better align with customer volume changes and have continued to balance our production more toward lower-cost facilities. Finally, our new segment alignment has provided a more optimal overhead structure, and we are continuously evaluating selling, general, and administrative expenses, SG&A, for efficiency improvements. We are pleased to see our focus on operational efficiency pay off, which has supported our financial performance in a lower demand environment. While we acknowledge the broader market and macroeconomic uncertainty, we have and will continue to take the necessary proactive actions. Looking ahead, we believe we are well-positioned to drive accretive growth, accelerate margin expansion, increase our capital efficiency, and ultimately enhance shareholder value as our end markets recover.

Speaker 2

Moving to slide five, I'd like to again highlight a graphic we have shared in our last two earnings calls. While the strategic portfolio actions we took last year led to cash flow headwinds in 2024, we are seeing these actions reverse meaningfully year to date in 2025. Through June of this year, our discontinued operations were net cash generative, and we had minimal restructuring spend at less than $2 million. We've also driven a $12 million improvement in inventory versus the end of 2024. Improvement in each of these areas helped drive free cash generation of $17.3 million in the quarter, which brings our year-to-date free cash generation up to $28.5 million.

Speaker 2

As Andy will cover in a moment, we have raised our free cash flow out for the year to be at least $30 million, as we expect to build on our year-to-date progress in the back half of the year. With that, I'd like to turn the call back to Andy for a more detailed review of our financial results.

Speaker 1

Thank you, James, and good morning, everyone. If you are following along in the presentation, please turn to slide six. Consolidated second quarter 2025 revenue was $172 million as compared to $193.7 million in the prior year period. The decrease in revenues is due primarily to a softening in customer demand across our global sealing and trim systems and component segments. Adjusted EBITDA was $5.2 million for the second quarter compared to $8.2 million in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA margins were 3.0%, down 120 basis points as compared to adjusted EBITDA margins of 4.2% in the second quarter of 2024, driven primarily by lower volumes but offset by reductions in SG&A expenses. Interest expense was $2.3 million as compared to $2.4 million in the second quarter of 2024, driven by lower debt levels.

Speaker 1

Net loss for the quarter was $4.1 million, or a loss of $0.12 per diluted share, as compared to a net loss of $1.3 million, or a loss of $0.04 per diluted share in the prior year. Adjusted net loss for the quarter was $2.9 million, or a loss of $0.09 per diluted share, as compared to adjusted net income of $1.5 million, or $0.05 per diluted share in the prior year. Net loss and adjusted net loss were impacted by softened customer demand. Free cash flow from continuing operation for the quarter was $17.3 million compared to $0.8 million in the prior year. The free cash flow generated in the quarter was supported by the company's ongoing strategic and working capital initiatives.

Speaker 1

At the end of the second quarter, our net leverage ratio, calculated as our net debt divided by our trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations, was 4.8 times, down from 5.0 times at the end of the first quarter. Moving to the segment results, starting slide seven, our global sealing segment achieved revenues of $74.5 million, a decrease of 10% as compared to the year ago quarter, with the decrease primarily driven by lower sales volume as a result of reduced customer demand. Adjusted operating income was $3.1 million, an increase of $0.2 million compared to the second quarter of 2024. While operating income was negatively impacted by lower sales volume and increased freight cost, we saw an improvement in adjusted operating income margin, primarily attributable to lower SG&A expenses.

Speaker 1

Turning to slide eight, our global electrical segment's second quarter revenues remain essentially flat compared to the year ago quarter at $53.6 million. As new business wins offset weaker construction and agriculture demand, adjusted operating income for the second quarter was $1.2 million, an increase of $0.4 million compared to the prior year, primarily attributable to lower salary expense as we benefit from our new low-cost facilities. We are beginning to see the benefits of the restructuring actions we have taken in this segment, and we are encouraged by the stabilizations we are seeing. Global electrical systems remain a key area of focus for growth and cash generation moving forward. Moving to slide nine, our trim systems and components revenues in the second quarter increased 24% to $43.9 million compared to the year ago quarter due to lower sales volume as a result of decreased customer demand.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, this segment solely serves the North American market and is most directly impacted by the reduction in Class 8 production volumes. Adjusted operating income for the second quarter was $0.3 million, a decrease of $3.7 million compared to the prior year. The decrease is primarily attributable to lower sales volumes. We continue working through the last of our operational inefficiencies in this segment, and we are taking further actions to stabilize operations and improve operational efficiency and financial performance. That concludes my financial overview commentary. I will now turn the call back over to James to cover our market outlook, key strategic actions being taken, and our updated guidance.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Andy. I will start with our key end market outlooks on slide 10. According to ACT Research's Class 8 heavy truck build forecast, 2025 estimates imply a 24% decline in year-over-year volumes. ACT Research has removed any pre-buy impact related to the proposed 2027 emission standard from their 2026 projections and now forecasts truck builds flat in 2026. Looking ahead to 2027, ACT Research is forecasting a 12% improvement in truck builds. Moving to our construction and agriculture market outlook, based on recent commentary and outlooks from our customers and key market players, we continue to expect the construction market to be down approximately 5% to 15%, and the agriculture market to be down in the same range as higher interest rates, weaker housing starts, slower commercial real estate activity, and lower commodity prices continue to weigh on demand.

Speaker 2

Despite the continued market softness, which mostly directly impacts our global electrical systems business, we continue to remain optimistic about the long-term potential of both construction and agriculture markets as we see ongoing replacement needs and underlying secular trends driving a recovery in these markets in 2026 and beyond. Turning to slide 11, I'd like to reiterate the key actions we have underway to improve cash flow, as well as mitigate the impact of tariffs and broader macroeconomic headwinds. First, we remain focused on driving improved cash generation and aligning our SG&A expenses structure with our current revenue base this year. Specifically, we expect $30 million in working capital reduction, focused primarily on inventory and accounts receivable, as well as a 50% reduction in planned capital expenditures this year. Through the first half of the year, we realized $12 million in inventory reductions and $11 million in accounts receivable reductions.

Speaker 2

We also continue to expect $15 million to $20 million in cost savings this year, with a renewed focus on SG&A expenses, which should drive incremental margin expansion as our top line returns to future growth. Second, we expect the strategic portfolio actions taken in 2024 to lower our cost structure to continue lowering decremental margins, positioning us well to grow our earnings power as end market demand recovers. Third, we remain in constant communication with our customers, improving our line of sight to production schedule changes and allowing us to implement necessary cost actions in the event of future changes. In addition, our teams took immediate action in response to tariffs to mitigate potential impacts, and we've made solid progress in that regard.

Speaker 2

We continue to have successful negotiations on price recovery terms with our customers while building contingency plans to create flexibility across multiple scenarios, all with the end goal of securing our business competitiveness and meeting our customers' needs. We also continue to assess our relationship with suppliers, including evaluation of reshoring and nearshoring opportunities to further mitigate the potential impact of tariffs. Turning to slide 12, I'll share several quotes on our updated outlook for 2025, which reflects the current estimated impact of tariffs, trade policies, and economic uncertainty, as well as the aforementioned actions that we are proactively taking in this current uncertain environment. Reflecting current macroeconomic trends, prevailing truck build forecasts, and continued weakness in construction and agriculture markets, we are lowering our quantitative annual guidance for revenue and adjusted EBITDA and tightening the range on both.

Speaker 2

The good news is we are increasing our free cash flow guidance to reflect robust performance year to date, as well as our ongoing focus on cash generation. Given current demand pressures, we are adjusting our whole year 2025 revenue guidance range to $650 million to $670 million, which is down from $660 million to $690 million from prior guidance. We are also revising our adjusted EBITDA guidance expectations to the range of $21 million to $25 million for 2025, down from $22 million to $27 million in the prior guidance. Based on this updated outlook, we still expect EBITDA margin expansion compared to full year 2024 at the midpoint of the ranges, supported by our continued focus on reducing manufacturing and SG&A costs.

Speaker 2

We expect to build on our free cash generation progress in the back half of the year, generating at least $30 million of free cash flow in 2025, which we expect to use to pay down debt. Our continued focus on reducing working capital and lowering capital expenditures underpins this outlook. Net leverage is expected to decline throughout 2025 and 2026 as we work toward returning to our targeted two-times level. With that, I will now turn the call back over to the operator and open up the line for questions. Operator?

Speaker 3

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to decline from the polling process, please press the star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please leave the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Joe Gomes, Noble Capital. Please go ahead.

Operator

Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Joe.

Speaker 2

Hi, Joe?

Operator

I know you guys got away from getting a new business wins number, but given the environment, maybe you could, from a 10,000-foot perspective, give us, are you seeing new business being bid? Are you winning new business? Is it within where you guys are hoping to be, maybe above, hopefully? Also, kind of related, from past new business wins, how's the implementation of those going? Are we seeing any of those push to the right, so to speak? Anything you could give us on that would be great also. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Joe. This is James. Responding to your question, we do continue to win new business. We have wins in Q1 and Q2, and we have a pretty robust funnel going through the balance of the year. Part of the difficulty in quantifying the new business is the uncertainty with schedules, launch timing, etc. As you mentioned, there's some that have been delayed, some that are with OEMs that have struggled financially, which has disrupted production, especially in the EV space. We continue to see growth in that area. It's a secular trend that's going to continue, so we're still focused on growing our electrical. As an example, this year, about 15% of our revenue forecasted for the electrical systems business segment is from new wins. The flat revenue that you're seeing year over year is the new wins offset and continued softness in the CONAG markets.

Speaker 2

We haven't shied away from pursuing business in any end market. We still continue to have very good relations with our CONAG customers and there are opportunities for share of wallet gain in those customers as well due to our new low-cost manufacturing capacity that's online. That's on a global basis, both in North America and Europe. I feel really good about that. As markets stabilize and we have a better quantification on launch timing and volumes, we may revisit reporting new business wins when that happens and occurs. As far as the implementation of new business wins shifting.

Speaker 1

Okay.

Speaker 2

Okay, I was going to say the implementation dates for new business wins.

Speaker 1

Go ahead. I'm shifting.

Speaker 2

Yeah. Can you hear me? Okay. The new business wins implementation timing varies depending on the platform and the customer. We have seen some shifting, especially with the economic conditions, with launches being a little slower. There are some customers that still need regulatory approval, especially in the autonomous vehicles space. We have seen some shifting there as well. They are sizable wins, and we will be ready to bring those on with accretive margins based on our cost structure alignment and our new capacity in place.

Speaker 3

Thank you. The next question comes from John Franzreb from CWT.

Speaker 4

Good morning, guys, and thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker 2

I'm John.

Speaker 4

I guess I want to start with the cost savings aspect. You mentioned $15 million to $20 million of expected savings in 2025. I'm curious how much of those savings are permanent and how much will come back as volumes return, and how much is still left to be done as far as in the SG&A side of the cost savings program?

Speaker 2

Thank you, John. On the cost savings, that's an interesting dynamic because these are both direct material cost savings, indirect expense cost savings, as well as manufacturing cost outs with improved productivity. We don't see these as being one-time, and actually as volume returns, we'll generate more savings on higher volume. This year, with the reduced volume, the savings that we had anticipated aren't coming in to the level a year ago that we thought they would because of the lower volume, but there are permanent savings in place with purchase price contracts, our logistics providers, etc. We feel pretty good about the momentum that we're building from a cost reduction standpoint on SG&A and manufacturing overhead. Those are two areas that we will continue to take actions on. With the current outlook from ACT Research, the manufacturing overhead piece is going to be front and center with us.

Speaker 2

We've engaged an outside consulting firm to help us look at our supply chain optimization as well as our manufacturing overhead expense, and those projects are in flight now. We expect, as we go through the balance of the back half, to implement more actions to take cost out. Hopefully, we'll see that come through and we continue to see the volume come through as forecasted by ACT Research.

Speaker 4

Got it. How far along are you in the tariff renegotiation process? Do you expect the other guys, all your customers, to have renegotiated by the end of the year?

Speaker 2

Yes, we'd expect that to be the case. The tariffs, they've been changing a lot, as you know. The trade policy has been changing a lot. We have a team of people, and we meet every day to see what the latest changes are, try to assess the impact. As you can imagine, both customers and suppliers, we're going through a lot of detailed information: port of entry, country of origin, all those elements that factor in the tariff impact. That information has to be submitted and discussed with our customers, as well as mitigating actions, whether it's supply changes or validating different materials to offset where the material is coming from. Those are a little longer from a timeline standpoint. Price is the most immediate one. There is a lagging effect because we have to submit the tariff impact post the actual impact that we have to the customers.

Speaker 2

There is a payment timeline from the customers to us. On the supplier side, we have the same stance with our suppliers that our customers have with us. We expect initial mitigation, with price being a secondary or tertiary element to help them recover and stay viable. That gets translated back to our customers for relief. It is a very dynamic process, a lot of negotiations, a lot of discussions, and it's top of mind for the entire supply chain, actually, from our suppliers to us to our customers and our customers and markets.

Speaker 4

Certainly. Very dynamic right now. One last question, I guess I'll get back into Q. Can you talk a little bit about how July looked relative to maybe the progression of the second quarter? Did it continue to weaken, stabilize, any kind of color with the current climate is like?

Speaker 2

Sure. No problem. On the Class 8 side, and even in CONAG to a certain degree, typically from June until August, early September, many of the OEMs on a global basis schedule downtime for model changeover or vacation periods, etc. We are seeing increased downtime in the back half of Q2 and also this quarter, which is causing us to quickly make adjustments with flexing our manufacturing plants down, ordering material so our inventory stays at a competitive level, as well as coordinating with our supply base to ensure we maintain on-time delivery and supply viability as these schedules change. We're seeing more from June through August, more downtime than what was originally anticipated at the beginning of the year from our OEM customers.

Speaker 4

Okay, makes sense.

Speaker 1

If you look at what we see right now, it's tracking towards ACT Research's projection in this quarter. Overall, if you look at what the market's forecasting, it's what we are seeing, but as James mentioned, we are doing all the actions that it takes to adjust for the volume.

Speaker 4

I'll just sneak this in since you brought up ACT Research a couple of times in the responses. It seems to me like the new forecast from ACT Research looks more like the historical cyclical trends that we used to see in the Class 8 market. Is that your assessment, or do you see anything different than that?

Speaker 2

ACT Research has not included any type of pre-buy dynamic for emissions regulations that were initially intended for 2027. The expectation was that we would see a pickup in pre-buy in the second half of 2025, and for the balance of 2026, they've now taken that dynamic out of the forecast and are forecasting flat build rates into 2026, and then a low-teens, double-digit increase in 2027. If volumes do come back sooner, obviously, we'll be well prepared from an operating leverage standpoint. If volumes stay flat like forecasted, we're going to be positioned to ride through that down market until we see an uptick similar to what we're doing the past two quarters and going into the back half of this year.

Speaker 4

Thanks again for taking my questions. I'll get back into Q.

Speaker 2

Sure.

Speaker 3

The next question comes from Gary Prestopino of Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Operator

Hi. Good morning all. James, Andy. Last conference call, you had mentioned something about the Trump administration maybe rolling back some of these emissions standards for trucks. Where does that stand right now? Is that still in a state of flux here?

Speaker 2

Yes. As far as we know, there hasn't been a definitive position on that yet. As ACT Research has comprehended in their forecast, there's an anticipation that they will either be pushed out or changed. We are planning for the worst, which is no pre-buy.

Speaker 1

Gary, as James mentioned, ACT doesn't predict the 2026 pre-buy, and as a result, there's no major drop in 2027 as well. Right now, the projection is a year-over-year pre-flex from 2025 to 2026, and then there will be a gradual low double-digit increase in the next few years. The longer-term horizon is actually a more stable environment, but you don't see the big up and down in the next couple of years.

Speaker 2

Okay. Now, maybe you could help me out because I'm not that altogether familiar with the Class 8 truck market. Maybe some others are. Is there a natural replacement cycle here that somewhere along the line has to start kicking in to more units produced? I mean, is that why the 2027 numbers are going up? Yes. These are non-discretionary end markets in Class 8, CONAG, and vehicle production in general. There is a replacement cycle. Given the economic uncertainty, some of the feedback that we've gotten from our OEM customers is that the fleets that order large quantities of Class 8 trucks are holding off on making purchases and pushing them out based on the uncertainty. Some of the indicators like freight rates, the impact of tariffs with goods moving in have come down.

Speaker 2

The need for replacement may not be as high as it was originally planned to be. That's one piece. The other piece is we have an aftermarket business in seats and other products. As purchases are being held off, we may see a positive impact in some of our aftermarket sales for replacement components, which typically don't last seven years or so, five to seven years, and then they're into replacements depending on the duty cycle of the vocational application. We see an opportunity there. That's one good thing that comes out of this. The other piece is the CONAG market. As economic challenges, potential recession, and those factors weigh into purchases, some of the dealer inventories in the CONAG segment have increased because of the slowness of the economy and capital purchases being made. They do need to be replaced at some point.

Speaker 2

Interestingly enough, with those customers, they're doing R&D work and coming out with autonomous variants of some of their models, which drive a much higher electrical content. We're engaged with customers now to try to best position ourselves as they roll out those new models with higher electrical content. We have a share of those platforms. It's uncertain, and we're making sure we have the right balance of countermeasures and alternatives in place so that we can either flex up or flex down and still be profitable and generate cash.

Operator

Okay. Let me ask the question another way. You know, how many annually of these Class 8 trucks are taken off the road and scrapped on an annual basis? Again, I'm just trying to get an idea of what the replacement volume looks like on an annual basis.

Speaker 2

I don't have specific information around that. We could do some follow-up and get back to you.

Speaker 1

Gary, if you look at the long-term North America Class 8 production volume, look at the long horizon, it's somewhere just shy of 300,000 units per year. Right? Look at the up and down. If you look at a long-term average, that I would call it maybe you can call it both the replacement rate as well as just growing in the overall market.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's helpful. It's good to see you extended the debt maturities. I did read through the document somewhat, but your leverage ratio is 4.8 times. Can you give us some idea of how that leverage ratio steps down over time with the new agreement?

Speaker 1

Yeah. Two things. We talked about our long-term target and left leverage ratio is around the two times. Between now and sometime in 2026, we continue to work towards that target, right? You can see that we're making progress there. You also can see that from our filing back at the end of June. Our new financing agreement allows us to have a little bit more wiggle room here in the next few quarters. Starting with over seven times of our leverage is in the governance inside the agreement. We believe that we'll continue to put focus on generating cash. As you can see, in the first half, we made very, very significant progress there. Right now, that's our number one priority on our capital allocation is keep generating cash and continue to pay down debt and allow us more flexibilities.

Speaker 4

Okay, thank you.

Speaker 3

As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one. There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to James Ray. Please continue.

Speaker 2

Thank you all for joining today's call. We continue to take the necessary steps to support our customers in this dynamic environment, drive operational improvements, and execute on our goal of delivering better results. We look forward to updating CVG's progress next quarter. Thank you again.

Speaker 3

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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