LTC Properties Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: LTC raised its 2025 external investment guidance to $400 million, up from $300 million last quarter, aiming to more than double its SHOP portfolio and add three new operating partners.
  • Positive Sentiment: The company increased its full‐year 2025 core FFO guidance by $0.02 to a range of $2.67–$2.71, driven by lower interest expenses, elevated market rent resets and higher SHOP NOI.
  • Positive Sentiment: LTC enhanced liquidity with a new four‐year unsecured credit facility boosting its revolver from $425 million to $600 million (expandable to $1.2 billion) and total liquidity to $674 million.
  • Positive Sentiment: The firm agreed to sell seven skilled nursing centers for net proceeds of ~$120 million, expecting an ~$80 million gain, and granted Prestige an option to prepay a $175 million loan at contractual rates from July 2026.
  • Positive Sentiment: Through RIDEA conversions and new SHOP investments—including a $35 million assisted living acquisition in California and a $42 million senior housing loan—LTC’s SHOP portfolio is set to reach ~$475 million, or ~20% of total assets.
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Earnings Conference Call
LTC Properties Q2 2025
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There are 9 speakers on the call.

Speaker 8

Greetings and welcome to the LTC Properties second quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode before management begins its presentation. Please note that today's comments, including the question and answer session, may include forward-looking statements subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results and events to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in LTC Properties filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission from time to time, including the company's most recent 10-K dated December 31, 2024. LTC undertakes no obligation to revise or update these forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this presentation. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to LTC Management.

Speaker 2

Hello and welcome everyone to our second quarter 2025 earnings call. With me today in order of speaker are Cece Chikhale, Chief Financial Officer, J. Gibson Satterwhite, Executive Vice President of Asset Management, David Boitano, Chief Investment Officer, and Clint B. Malin, Co-CEO. LTC Properties has been focused on transformation and execution. We executed on strengthening our team through promotions, the addition of a new Chief Investment Officer, and a new Board member with extensive REIT experience. We executed on initiating a RIDEA platform, which will transform LTC Properties from a small cap triple net lease REIT to a larger, more diversified, senior housing focused REIT. We executed on enhancing liquidity. We are executing on growth, and driving additional accretive growth remains our top priority. Our momentum is evident. Last quarter we increased our pipeline to $300 million.

Speaker 2

Today we are increasing guidance again to $400 million of investments in 2025, which will more than double the size of our existing SHOP portfolio. It will also expand our SHOP operators to five, three of whom are new relationships for LTC Properties. We have established a strong platform for meaningful growth, and with ample access to capital, we're moving through the year with energy and optimism as we continue to successfully deliver on our plan. Now I'll turn things over to Cece for a review of our financials, a liquidity update, and increased guidance.

Speaker 6

Thank you, Pam. The numbers I'll be discussing today are for the second quarter of 2025 compared to the same period in 2024. Unless otherwise noted, I will focus my comments on key items, as a detailed description of our financial results was provided in yesterday's earnings release and supplemental. Core FFO improved to $0.68 from $0.67. Core FAD improved by $0.05 to $0.71 versus $0.66. The increase in core FFO primarily was related to a decrease in interest expense, an increase in fair market rent resets, and an increase in SHOP NOI. These were partially offset by lower interest income due to mortgage loan payoffs and principal paydowns, and higher G&A. Core FAD increased principally related to these same factors, plus rent escalations and increases from the turnaround impact of deferred rent provided in the second quarter of last year.

Speaker 6

To further strengthen our capital position, subsequent to the end of the second quarter, we entered into a new four-year unsecured credit agreement with a solid group of banks. The new unsecured credit agreement matures in July 2029 and provides a one-year extension option. Aggregate commitments on the revolver increased from $425 million to $600 million, and we have the ability to further increase the loan commitments up to $1.2 billion. Additionally, we rolled $250 million term loans that were maturing over the next 16 months into the revolver, keeping the swap agreements intact through November 2025 at 2.3% and November 2026 at 2.4%. Based on current margins at June 30th, our debt to annualized adjusted EBITDA for real estate was 4.2 times, and our annualized adjusted fixed charge coverage ratio was 5.1 times. Our current total liquidity stands at $674 million.

Speaker 6

We have increased our full year 2025 core FFO guidance range by $0.02 to $2.67 and $2.73. The low end of this guidance includes only those investments made to date, while the high end includes $320 million in investments that are expected to close in the next 60 days. Dave will provide more color on these investments shortly. Additional assumptions underpinning this guidance can be found in the supplemental posted on our website. Now I'll turn things over to Gibson for a portfolio review and update on SHOP.

Speaker 1

Thanks Cece. To execute on our goals of managing operator concentration and lowering exposure to older skilled nursing assets, we have agreed to allow Prestige an option to prepay their $180 million loan secured by 14 skilled nursing centers in Michigan without penalty. The 12-month window to prepay the loan opens in July 2026. With improving operating performance in this portfolio and in consideration for granting the prepayment window, Prestige has agreed to eliminate the current pay rate and revert monthly interest payments to the full contractual interest rate of 11.14% effective July 1, 2025, and escalates annually. Additionally, we are now under contract to sell all the seven skilled nursing centers tied to the lease with the operator who chose not to renew for strategic reasons.

Speaker 1

We expect these transactions to close in the first part of the fourth quarter, generating net proceeds of about $120 million against our gross book value of $72 million. We anticipate recording a gain on sale of approximately $80 million in connection with the sales. With the generated proceeds and the potential of Prestige’s loan prepayment, we are working towards strategically recycling capital out of older skilled nursing assets and into newer seniors housing communities. We have increased our assumptions for the expected rent due to LTC on the portfolio of 14 properties subject to market-based rent resets and now expect to collect revenue of $5.7 million this year, up 10% from the $5.1 million we discussed last quarter and up 64% from the rent collected from these properties last year. We have received full contractual rent from Genesis through August.

Speaker 1

Our properties are in core markets for them and in early June they exercised their first five-year extension option, making the new expiration date April 30, 2031. We continue to believe that our SHOP portfolio is highly transformative. Average occupancy in the portfolio for the second quarter was 81% and SHOP NOI totaled $2.5 million. As of the end of the quarter, our SHOP portfolio consisted of triple net leases converted to RIDEA. For comparative purposes, we generated about $780,000 more income in the second quarter than we did under the triple net leases for the same period last year. Our prior guidance for the 13 properties recently converted into our SHOP portfolio remains unchanged at $9.4 to $10.3 million of SHOP NOI. Now I'll hand the call over to Dave for a discussion of our investment activity.

Speaker 7

Thank you, Gibson. I'm excited to be speaking with you today on my first earnings call since joining the company as Chief Investment Officer. I will begin with what drew me to LTC. Beyond the strength and collaboration of a deeply experienced team, what really stood out is how well positioned LTC is for the future. With the addition of SHOP, LTC is exceptionally equipped to seize the growing opportunity to partner with seniors housing operators, particularly strong regionally focused operators who bring deep health care expertise and experience and a profound understanding of their local markets. Late last month, we added to our SHOP portfolio with the acquisition of a 67-unit stabilized assisted living and memory care community in California built in 2019. We invested $35 million at an estimated initial yield of 7%.

Speaker 7

The community will continue to be operated by an affiliate of Discovery Senior Living, a new SHOP operating partner for LTC. Our SHOP investment sights are on accretion, and we're focused on accelerating growth through the acquisition of newer stabilized properties with strong operating partners. However, we will continue to make shorter-term accretive investments for financial and strategic purposes. As such, during the second quarter, we originated a $42 million mortgage loan secured by a 250-unit senior housing community in Florida. Built in 2021, this five-year loan carries a fixed interest rate of 8.5%. These two transactions bring 2024 year-to-date investments to nearly $80 million, with approximately $320 million more expected to close over the next 60 days. Of this, approximately $60 million represents an 8.25% five-year mortgage loan. The remaining $260 million represents stabilized SHOP investments.

Speaker 7

With an average age of six years and at an estimated average year one yield of 7%, our targeted unlevered IRR on these stabilized SHOP communities is north of 10%. At completion, these investments will drive our SHOP portfolio's gross book value to approximately $475 million, up from our initial $175 million. Upon closing, SHOP will represent nearly 20% of our total portfolio, cementing our transformation through RIDEA. Even with the significant amount of investment activity we discussed today, we are working to backfill our pipeline, which includes several SHOP transactions for which we've already issued LOIs. On our last earnings call, we highlighted our expanded investment pipeline, and we have expanded it further. The LTC team is delivering on external growth. I'll pass the call to Clint now. Thanks, Dave.

Speaker 3

We're glad to have you on board. The pace of external growth through SHOP is just beginning for LTC. Not only did our confidence in Anthem Memory Care and New Perspective Senior Living drive the cooperative conversions with them, but the conversions were a cost effective G&A approach to launching our SHOP platform with assets already familiar to us. Now, with the acceleration of new investments, we are focused on scaling our accounting and asset management teams to manage our growth. With growth front and center for LTC, I share the enthusiasm of my colleagues when I say that I have never been more excited about our future opportunities. Operator, we're ready for questions from the audience.

Speaker 8

Thank you. At this time we will conduct our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press Star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the Star keys. One moment please, while we pull for questions. Our first question comes from William John Kilichowski with Wells Fargo. Please state your question.

Speaker 3

Good morning. Thank you, and congrats on the quarter. First question for me is just on how do you think about funding all of these new investments here, especially given.

Speaker 1

Where your cost of equity is, and kind of the going in 7% cap yields.

Speaker 2

As we've talked about on previous calls, we anticipate in the long term to fund these on a leverage neutral basis or perhaps even over equitize them. We've been blending in higher yielding loans. With the total blend, we feel our cost of capital is adequate to fund them with debt and equity. We also have some loan sales proceeds coming at the end of the year, about $120 million, as we've discussed previously, that we'll use to fund these.

Speaker 3

Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. Maybe on the underwriting here for these, what are you.

Speaker 1

Thinking about NOI growth on these SHOP.

Speaker 3

Acquisitions.

Speaker 8

In years two and three?

Speaker 3

I think we're looking, I mean. Go ahead, James.

Speaker 7

We're projecting out fairly 3% sort of growth over the years. We think there's considerable upside on top of that. For fulfillment purposes, we're buying stable buildings and projecting out normalized growth.

Speaker 1

Okay, that's helpful.

Speaker 2

Positions there, they're not deep value add. We've discussed the characteristics of the assets that we're looking to acquire, which are stabilized with good cash flows. We don't have any outsized NOI projections, although we do believe that margins can be improved. By and large, occupancy is stabilized.

Speaker 1

Okay, that's very helpful.

Speaker 3

The last one from me is just on, you know, you transitioned 13.

Speaker 1

Properties in the quarter. Maybe could you talk about what you.

Speaker 3

Know what's the potential for the rest.

Speaker 1

Of the year in terms of what you've identified from your net lease portfolio that could be transitioned still?

Speaker 3

Sean, this is Clint. We've talked about this on previous calls. You know, we launched the SHOP portfolio with cooperative conversions with both Anthem Memory Care and New Perspective Senior Living. There could be a handful of other buildings that could be added, such as the transition portfolio that Gibson Satterwhite spoke about in prepared remarks. We've said all along this really is an external growth story, which really goes to our pipeline and what we've guided to in bringing in new operators into the portfolio. We see that the majority of the growth of the SHOP platform is going to be through external growth.

Speaker 1

Got it. Very helpful. Congrats again.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 8

Your next question comes from Austin Todd Wurschmidt with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please state your question.

Speaker 8

Good morning everyone. I am curious just how large the pipeline of additional SHOP loans that Gibson referenced is beyond what you have here ready to close in the months ahead, and just whether there are additional deals like mortgage loans you referenced beyond those SHOP deals also kind of in that pipeline beyond the $320 million that you disclosed this quarter.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Thanks, Dawson. We're being selective in deal flow, and we're very encouraged to see the amount of investments we've been able to put into guidance so far. As Dave mentioned on prepared remarks, there are other opportunities that we have put out, Lois. We're focused on single asset transactions, small portfolios of stabilized assets, newer vintage properties, and that's really where our target is. We're seeing more opportunities, but we're able to vet through those and really focus in to where we're trying to grow the platform. We are focused on execution of the remaining investments in our pipeline, but there are still other opportunities that we are going to pursue.

Speaker 3

Do you think the subset of opportunities in front of you are enough to sustain this sort of investment pace that you've outlined pretty much through really the back half of 2025? Was there something unique about this initial foray into SHOP where it brought to you a larger number of opportunities at the outset?

Speaker 3

We're definitely seeing more deals in the market, and a big part of where we're at today is the intentional focus that we made when Cece and Gibson's teams were focused on the cooperative conversion of Anthem Memory Care and New Perspective Senior Living. We've been out in the market pre-marketing this SHOP platform with the broker community, with owners that we know in the industry, with operators speaking about this. I think where you see today is really a culmination of intentional efforts to get the word out and pre-market what we're trying to do through external growth. We do see that there's going to be other opportunities, but it is also competitive out there. Anybody that has a SHOP platform is looking at investment.

Speaker 3

It definitely is a competitive landscape, but we think given the size of LTC Properties, we have a competitive advantage that we can actually focus on smaller deals, which have better price points to drive accretive growth for our shareholders.

Speaker 3

That's helpful. Just last one, with respect to the 2025 NFO guidance. The SHOP NOI contribution was up fairly meaningfully versus what you provided last quarter. I guess just can you share what's all included in that updated figure? I think you said that the Anthem and New Perspective NOI contribution from last quarter is unchanged. Can you kind of sort through the moving pieces and what drove the lift in annual guidance this quarter?

Speaker 8

Thanks.

Speaker 1

Hi, this is Gibson. I'll talk just a little bit about what was in the 13 properties, and then I'll turn it over to talk about our growth assumptions layered on top of that. We came in about $400,000 higher than our internal expectations on SHOP in Q2, and there were a few factors at play. New Perspective got converted a little bit later. Anthem's occupancy was a little bit lower, but that was more than offset by expense savings. After two months, we're not willing to change our full year guidance. We'll just wait and see if those expenses are subject to mean reversion as we get through the year. They have caught up on the occupancy front, so we feel pretty good that we have a good chance to meet our expectations going forward on occupancy.

Speaker 1

We'll monitor expenses, and when we get through Q3, we'll circle back and tighten up guidance.

Speaker 6

The other increase is due to the projected new deals that were coming on board.

Speaker 3

Got it. Understood.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 8

Your next question comes from Michael Albert Carroll with RBC Capital Markets. Please state your question.

Speaker 2

Yeah, thanks.

Speaker 2

I wanted to touch on the Prestige change that you guys made, allowing them to potentially prepay some of their loans. It sounds like this doesn't open up until the back half of 2026. How are those discussions going? Does Prestige need to get new financing to be able to pay those down? I'm assuming that they want to do this and that's why you gave them this change in the lease or the.

Speaker 1

The mortgage agreements.

Speaker 3

They would have to find that financing. This is Clint. They would have to find that financing. I mean, most likely HUD would be an option for them. It would probably be the best fit for this portfolio.

Speaker 3

Can you talk about the size of this? I know you gave us related to the communities, but what is the, how are the, is it kind of equal weighted by the communities? We can just do a weighted average of how much these loans represent, or can you give us a number of how much they could potentially prepay?

Speaker 2

It is an all or none. It is the whole portfolio. It is the $175 million loan.

Speaker 3

Okay, can you give us.

Speaker 3

An update on ALG? I know they have a couple purchase options. Is that something that they plan on exercising? I know in the prior calls they were saying that they could potentially do it by the end of the year. Is that something that could still occur?

Speaker 3

Last call we talked about, given where interest rates were at, that it would probably fall into something in 2026. I think at this point we really have to wait and see where our interest rates shake out. At this point we're not expecting this year. More likely, probably 2027 would be our guess when they would be able to be in a position to execute on that. It's going to come down to continued performance improvement, which we've been seeing, and then just where interest rates shake out.

Speaker 3

Okay, and then just lastly for me, Pam, can you give us an update on LTC's longer term leverage targets? I know with the pipeline it does imply that your leverage is going to tick up. Obviously you're going to need to fund those. Maybe there is some new equity coming to fund part of that.

Speaker 3

Do you want to be below?

Speaker 3

The low four net debt to EBITDA range, is that kind of what you want to target or how are you thinking about that?

Speaker 2

Yeah, being at 4.2 right now gives us the flexibility to be able to fund our near term investments with debt and then take it out long term with equity or long term debt as the interest rates come down. This really hasn't changed. Our target hasn't really changed over the past decade. We've always targeted below five. Sitting in the low fours gives us the optionality. During COVID we did flex up a little higher in order to do some acquisitions. Long term we're still target the low fours.

Speaker 3

Great, thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 8

Just a reminder to the audience to ask a question. Press star 1 on your phone now. Our next question comes from Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya with Deutsche Bank. Please state your question.

Speaker 8

Hi, good morning everyone.

Speaker 3

First of all, on Prestige with the.

Speaker 3

Now that they're back to contractual rate, can you just talk a little bit about why there's a lot of confidence that they can maintain that in the near term without potentially having to access a security deposit?

Speaker 3

Sure. Tyler, this is Clint. As we've talked about in previous quarters, they have been making performance improvements through occupancy gains. When we modified the loan during the pandemic because of reimbursement challenges they had, we sort of foresaw that this would be, they would be able to come back over a period of time. When we did this, we gave them a two and a half year runway to be able to make performance improvements both in bottom line as well as occupancy gains, which they've been doing. We sort of designed this and expected that it would eventually get back to contractual at some point in time. We're kind of where we expected this to be. I think they see an opportunity to get long term financing, maybe a better rate.

Speaker 3

That's where they're looking at exploring this in 2026 to be able to take out a long term, maybe cheaper financing. Gotcha.

Speaker 1

That's helpful.

Speaker 3

With the RIDEA outputs for.

Speaker 3

Could you talk a little bit about the process you're going through to make sure you have the right operator for these assets? Could you talk a little bit about the structure of the management contracts and how the operators are set up to be aligned with your goals to kind of grow bottom line, bottom line, NOI, sure.

Speaker 3

Regarding the operators, we're fortunate in the deals that we're looking at that are newer, vintage, stabilized. Every asset has a continuing operator. It's not like we're coming in, changing operators. That's been an important element as we turn to external growth of SHOP. That's been a key element on this. We think given the performance and the operators have all been in for a number of years that that should continue. We're encouraged by that as we execute on external growth. In regard to the contracts, we've looked, we engaged third party resources to help us structure these management agreements and really look at an alignment of interest through financial incentives for both parties. We're looking at compositions of management fees on top line and on bottom line, we're looking at short term and long term performance goals. This has been well received by operators.

Speaker 3

I think that a choice of capital for operators is refreshing as well. Our conversations have been very productive with operators.

Speaker 3

Last one for me, if you don't mind. Is there at any point where you can see yourself doing more of the value add Hyperidia transactions, again, low occupancy, you guys focus on lifting it up and kind of driving, you know, really large things to NOI growth like some of the other healthcare REITs do.

Speaker 3

Yes, it depends on where our stock price goes and our cost of capital.

Speaker 2

I hear you.

Speaker 3

Right now, we'll continue on our focus, which is single assets, smaller portfolios, newer assets is what our focus is going to be. There's always going to be an opportunity maybe here or there for a value add opportunity, but that's not our primary focus at this point.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I think especially as we launch the SHOP portfolio, Tayo. I mean, looking at the value add, I think that's something that you can do when you have more scale because that takes time and it's a little messy. Turnarounds are not easy. For right now, I think building a very strong base in our SHOP with newer stabilized assets with good cash flow, that's the most prudent way to build this platform in the beginning.

Speaker 3

A better risk-adjusted return in our mind to be able to drive shareholder value.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 8

Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I'll hand it back to Pam Kessler for closing remarks. Thank you.

Speaker 2

We are very excited about the opportunities ahead as we are committed as ever to driving growth and shareholder value for years to come. Thank you all for joining us today, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

Speaker 8

This concludes today's conference. All parties may disconnect. Have a good day.

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