NYSE:WFG West Fraser Timber Q4 2025 Earnings Report $69.04 +1.62 (+2.40%) Closing price 09/11/2026 03:58 PM EasternExtended Trading$69.03 -0.02 (-0.03%) As of 09/11/2026 07:30 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast West Fraser Timber EPS ResultsActual EPS-$2.42Consensus EPS -$2.71Beat/MissBeat by +$0.29One Year Ago EPSN/AWest Fraser Timber Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.17 billionExpected Revenue$1.18 billionBeat/MissMissed by -$11.63 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AWest Fraser Timber Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date2/11/2026TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, February 12, 2026Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsWest Fraser Timber's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Wednesday, October 28, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, October 22, 2026 at 11:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (6-K)Annual Report (40-F)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by West Fraser Timber Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 12, 2026ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Negative Sentiment: Q4 adjusted EBITDA was −$79 million (improved from −$144M), but full‑year adjusted EBITDA fell to $56 million versus $673M in 2024, with part of the sequential improvement reflecting the absence of a prior‑quarter $67M out‑of‑period duty expense. Negative Sentiment: West Fraser recorded significant non‑cash charges — $473 million in the lumber segment (goodwill impairment and two sawmill closures) and $239 million in North America EWP (indefinite curtailment of the High Level OSB mill), signaling further portfolio rationalization. Positive Sentiment: The company has actively optimized its portfolio and invested in lower‑cost capacity — removing over 1.1 billion board feet (~16% of lumber capacity) since 2022 and investing nearly $1 billion in lumber modernization, including ramping Allendale OSB and commissioning the Henderson mill to improve long‑run cost competitiveness. Positive Sentiment: Balance sheet flexibility remains a strength with more than $1.2 billion of available liquidity at year‑end, supporting continued dividends/buybacks and the ability to pursue opportunistic, quality acquisitions if they arise. Neutral Sentiment: Management reiterated 2026 guidance, remains cautious on demand amid limited macro visibility, and will consider M&A only for high‑quality assets with a clear, rapid deleveraging path and synergies. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallWest Fraser Timber Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the West Fraser Q4 2025 results conference call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on February 12, 2026. During this conference call, West Fraser's representatives will be making certain statements about West Fraser's future financial and operational performance, business outlook, and capital plans. These statements may constitute forward-looking information or forward-looking statements within the meaning of Canadian and United States securities laws. Such statements involve certain risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, which may cause West Fraser's actual or future results and performance to be materially different from those expressed or implied in these statements. Operator00:01:00Additional information about these risk factors and assumptions is included both in accompanying webcast presentation and in our 2025 annual MD&A and annual information form as updated in our quarterly MD&A, which can be accessed on West Fraser's website or SEDAR+ for Canadian investors and EDGAR for United States investors. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Sean McLaren, President and CEO. Thank you. Please go ahead. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:01:33Thank you, Mina. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our Q4 2025 earnings call. I am Sean McLaren, President and CEO of West Fraser, and joining me on the call today are Chris Virostek, Executive Vice President and CFO, Matt Tobin, Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing, and other members of our leadership team. On the earnings call this morning, I will begin with a brief overview of West Fraser's Q4 and fiscal 2025 financial results, and then pass the call to Chris for additional comments before I share some thoughts on our outlook and offer concluding remarks. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:02:15West Fraser generated -$79 million of adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter of 2025, an improvement from the -$144 million reported in the prior quarter, which had included a $67 million out-of-period duty expense relating to the calendar 2023 duty year. Results remained soft across our business in Q4 as broader housing and repair and remodeling markets continued to face affordability pressures. For full year 2025, we generated $56 million of adjusted EBITDA, down from the $673 million reported in 2024. The lumber segment had a challenging 2025, with the protracted down cycle in lumber among the toughest we've experienced in many years. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:03:10During the year, we made meaningful progress high-grading our mill portfolio, which included a number of closures or curtailments of higher-cost assets, but more importantly, the completion of the ramp-up of our Allendale OSB mill in South Carolina and the completion and commissioning of our new Henderson lumber mill in Texas. In terms of our balance sheet, we had more than $1.2 billion of available liquidity at year-end, which offers us the financial flexibility and strength to support a consistent capital allocation strategy through the cycle. With that high-level overview, I'll now turn the call to Chris for additional detail and comments. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:03:53Thank you, Sean, and a reminder that we report in U.S. dollars and all my references are to U.S. dollar amounts unless otherwise indicated. The lumber segment posted adjusted EBITDA of negative $57 million in the fourth quarter, compared to negative $123 million in the third quarter. The Q4 result is actually quite comparable with the prior quarter if one excludes the $67 million dollar export duty expense reported in the third quarter, which had related to the 2023 calendar year. While not included in our adjusted EBITDA, we reported $473 million of non-cash restructuring and impairment charges in the lumber segment in the fourth quarter. This was related to a goodwill impairment of our U.S. lumber business, as well as the closure of two of our sawmills. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:04:45The North America EWP segment reported negative $24 million of adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter, compared to negative $15 million in the third quarter. Not included in this EBITDA, you will also have seen that we reported a $239 million non-cash restructuring and impairment charge in this segment in the fourth quarter, which was related to the indefinite curtailment of our OSB mill in High Level, Alberta. The pulp and paper segment reported negative $1 million of adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter, compared to negative $6 million in the third quarter. Sequential improvement in this segment was largely owing to the major maintenance shutdown at the mill in the third quarter. In our Europe segment, adjusted EBITDA was $4 million in the fourth quarter versus $1 million in the third quarter, as that business experienced a moderately improved business environment. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:05:40In terms of our overall Q4 results, the sequential EBITDA improvement was supported by reduced SPF log costs, lower southern yellow pine manufacturing costs, and lower OSB labor costs, as well as the absence of the $67 million out-of-period duty expense that we reported last quarter, partially offset by lower lumber and North American OSB prices. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:06:05... Our lumber business continued to benefit from the portfolio optimization actions we have taken in recent years. In some instances, we have been able to replace output from now-closed mills with production from our more modern, larger scale, and lower-cost mills, helping to enhance the overall cost structure of the operation. For instance, in the U.S. South, our Q4 2025 southern yellow pine shipments were 6% lower quarter-over-quarter, while SYP unit manufacturing costs were also lower. Cash flow from operations was negative $172 million in the fourth quarter, with net debt at $131 million, compared to a net cash position of $212 million reported last quarter. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:06:51This change in our net debt is attributed to a normal seasonal build in working capital, $139 million of capital expenditures, and $32 million of cash deployed towards share buybacks and dividends. With respect to our operational outlook for 2026, we have reiterated previously released guidance for the year, as shown on slide eight and as detailed further in our earnings release. Note that if and as the U.S. administration's tariffs and other policies evolve, we will evaluate the impact of the tariffs on our operations and determine revisions to our 2026 forecast as appropriate. With that financial overview, I will pass the call back to Sean. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:07:32Thank you, Chris. Before I shift to concluding remarks, I'd like to make a few comments on our liquidity. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:07:41As you can see on slide nine, we had a healthy balance sheet and total liquidity exceeding $1.2 billion as we exited 2025. While our liquidity has trended lower over the last few years during this extended down cycle, our financial position remains strong, providing us with sufficient flexibility to navigate further economic challenges should they unfold. I think it's also important to reflect upon the history of attractive returns West Fraser has generated for our shareholders. As you can see in the figure at bottom of slide 10, our shareholders have been rewarded for their patience as we have continued to execute on our plans to grow the business, optimize our portfolio through dispositions and/or closures of highly variable or uneconomic assets, and return surplus capital through dividends and buybacks. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:08:36With the total annualized return approaching 9% since the beginning of 2006, which includes share price appreciation and reinvested dividends, we remain proud of what the West Fraser team has been able to accomplish. I'll now shift to our general outlook and add some concluding remarks. There's no avoiding the fact that we face difficult end markets in 2025, but we manage our business for the long run. We have not been resting, waiting for a market recovery. We've been actively investing in and improving the business, and because of that, we remain optimistic about West Fraser's future. For our lumber assets in the U.S. South, we continue to refine and optimize our operations by removing costs and looking for additional margin opportunities. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:09:29We are also ramping up our modernized Henderson Mill, which we believe is positioned to be one of the best mills in our fleet once it achieves full operating rates. In Canada, the supply and demand for SPF products continues to show relative advantages compared to SYP as the U.S. South absorbs the new capacity introduced, introduced in the region in recent years. We continue to execute on our portfolio optimization strategy, which includes the reduction of higher-cost capacity across our lumber platform. Since 2022, we have removed over 1.1 billion board feet of capacity through mill closures and permanent shift reductions, representing a 16% decrease in the company's lumber operating capacity. We've also reduced the number of shifts or hours of operations at various lumber mills across our platform as a means to manage cost. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:10:26At the same time, we have invested nearly $1 billion of capital into our lumber business over the last four years, modernizing assets, adding flexibility to our production platform, removing costs, implementing margin expansion projects, and making our mills safer for our employees. Specifically, with the startup of Henderson, we are nearing completion of the major U.S. lumber investment we have made over the past number of years, with our focus increasingly turned towards operationalizing the capital we have invested in the region. Taking such a proactive approach to portfolio management has further strengthened our cost position and competitiveness. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:11:09In our North American EWP business, we have largely completed the ramp-up of our Allendale OSB mill, while more recently, we announced the planned indefinite curtailment of our High Level OSB mill this spring, which will remove 860 million sq. ft. of currently uneconomic capacity in an effort to balance our production with customer demand. In conclusion, while we rise to meet the needs of our customers every day, we are also dealing with limited macro visibility. In response, we have been actively managing our portfolio to be low cost and diverse by both geography and product to mitigate uncertainties. We remain optimistic about our longer-term prospects and will continue to focus on operational excellence, creating a leading wood-building products company that is resilient and sustainable through the cycle. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:12:05We will do all this while maintaining the type of financial strength that gives us the flexibility to be able to take advantage of growth opportunities as they arise.... Thank you. With that, we'll turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator00:12:21Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by the one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised, and should you wish to cancel your request, please press star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Ben Isaacson from Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director and Equity Research at Scotiabank00:12:58Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Just two questions for me. The first question, can you give a little bit of qualitative color as to how balanced or imbalanced margins were between SPF and SYP in Q4, and how does that look right now? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:13:19Good morning, Ben. You know, we don't specifically call out our different segments, saying that as we saw through, you know, through the quarter, you've seen—you've watched the spread start to close between the pricing between the products. You know, so I think that's reflective of things, things kind of moving as customers adjust their needs and demand patterns, depending on the end uses of the products. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:13:49Saying that, I think we're, you know, as we look to this year on both sides of the border, both products, you know, we're actively looking to make costs, you know, reducing costs, as you saw with both 100 Mile and Augusta in Q4, and we believe both those businesses are positioned to operate through the bottom of the cycle here. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director and Equity Research at Scotiabank00:14:12Great, thanks. And then, I think you mentioned lower log costs for SPF, lower manufacturing for SYP and lower labor for OSB. Among those three, how much of that is sustainable going forward versus a one-off for Q4? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:14:30You know, Ben, I, I'd say, we've been very active and, you know, across all three segments on, not only adjusting capacity on uneconomic assets, but modernizing assets through investment, as well as reducing costs through flexible operating schedules. And I think, the trends you are seeing in our cost structure are really the result of the work we've done over the last several years, to lower cost. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director and Equity Research at Scotiabank00:15:01Great. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Operator00:15:05Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ketan Mamtora from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Ketan MamtoraDirector and Building Products Equity Research Analyst at BMO Capital Markets00:15:12Good morning, Sean, Chris, thanks for taking my question. Maybe to start with, Sean, can you talk about, you know, sort of the M&A opportunities that you are seeing right now, given how depressed lumber prices have been for the last couple of years? Would that be an area of interest at this point, which certainly looks like bottom of the cycle? And related to that, any interest in growing outside of North America in lumber? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:15:43Yeah. Good morning. Good morning, Ketan. You know, I'll make a couple comments here, and Chris, please add anything I miss. You know, I think we've maybe talked about this a few times over the quarters. You know, for us, it's really about how do we make the company stronger at the bottom of the cycle and the current conditions we're in. You know, so asset quality is very important, and you know, over the last number of years, we've actioned a few things, but not very many. And every one of those things has been designed to make us stronger at the bottom. You know, we have a balance sheet to be able to react to anything of quality that presents itself. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:16:23Saying that, you know, we typically the stronger assets are gonna wait for a better time to be available. So, those would be the only comments that I would say on M&A. Chris, anything to add there? Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:16:34No, that's a great summary. Thanks, Sean. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:16:36Yeah. And then in terms of any outside of North America, you know, of course, we're you know, even though the macro environment in Europe continues to be slow, you know, we are pleased with our team, pleased with our assets over in Europe, and they're performing well at the bottom of the market. You know, we continue to work with them to look at how we make our European business stronger, and I think I would just leave it there. There would be nothing in front of us today that we would talk about. It would be the same conditions we would look at in North America. Makes us stronger at the bottom of the cycle, and it's a good return, and our team is ready to take it on. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:17:14You know, we've got the flexibility to be able to consider it. Ketan MamtoraDirector and Building Products Equity Research Analyst at BMO Capital Markets00:17:19Understood. Now, that's helpful. And then just one more from me. How should we think about ramp-up of the Henderson Mill, in the context of more of a demand environment, which is quite muted? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:17:33Yeah, you know, and I think so it's very early days in Henderson. The mill began commissioning at the end of Q4, so we're in the early stages of startup, you know. And as a reminder, it replaces a existing mill. You know, so that volume had been in the market, and we expect through this year to be ramping up to replace that volume. You know, and I think we will continue to look at our customer needs as we move beyond that, and this just gives us another low-cost asset to be able to adjust our full platform with. Ketan MamtoraDirector and Building Products Equity Research Analyst at BMO Capital Markets00:18:12Got it. That's very helpful. I'll turn it over. Good luck. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:18:16Thanks, Ketan. Operator00:18:18Thank you, and your next question comes on the line of Sean Steuart from TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:18:25... Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Question for Sean or for Matt. We've seen a good lift in North American lumber and OSB prices the past couple of months. Interested in your perspective on how much of that you would attribute to seasonal activity picking up in advance of the spring building season versus, you know, maybe the initial stages of a cyclical recovery as supply is rationalized in the market? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:18:52Maybe Matt, I'll hand that one over to you. Matt TobinSenior VP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser Timber Co00:18:57Sure. I think you know what we've seen is just from what we hear from our customers is just you know a little bit more difficult to get what they're looking for at the time they're looking for it. And so you know just as I think supply shrinks and demand stays relatively steady over the last couple of quarters just a little bit harder for our customers to get the product they're looking for when they're looking for it. And it's had an impact on pricing. And as far as spring I would say you know probably a little early to say today. Matt TobinSenior VP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser Timber Co00:19:29I said you usually see a bump in buying in the spring, but you know, as you know, spring is usually defined by that warmer weather, and so just coming out of a couple of weeks of freeze in the U.S., I'd say we're still a little early to see there. And once the weather turns, we'll have a better idea of what spring looks like. Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:19:48Matt, any perspective on the relative strength we've seen for U.S. South pricing of late versus Canada? Matt TobinSenior VP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser Timber Co00:19:56Like I say, I think, I think, you know, from what we hear from our customers, it's a little harder for them to find the product they need when they, when they need it. I think, you know, a lot of curtailment that Sean's talked about, that, that we and, and the industry has taken that makes it a little harder to find the product. And so, you know, just, just reflecting on the pricing based on that, that available supply. Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:20:17Okay. Thanks for that. Chris, I wanted to follow up on the prior question around M&A, and, you know, I appreciate you guys aren't—you don't wanna tip your hand too much in terms of scale of what you'd be looking at or specific areas or products, but I, I know the priority here is sort of sustaining a balance sheet that's flexible. Can you give us any perspective on how thoughts are revolving around minimum liquidity thresholds or maximum leverage targets that the company might be comfortable with as acquisition opportunities are considered in the initial stages of an upturn? Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:20:56Yeah. Thanks, Sean. I think there's a lot of latent financial flexibility in the business. You know, on the leverage side, I think anything that we would consider on leverage would, we'd have to see a very clear path to getting, you know, leverage metrics and interest burden to a level that's very manageable through the cycle. So, you know, I wouldn't say that we would rule out putting leverage on to do something, but there'd have to be a pretty clear path through that to a deleveraging quickly afterwards, you know, through value creation and that really translates to quality assets, right? Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:21:43It's, as Sean said, things that make us better generate cash flow, there's a synergy opportunity, and if we incur some leverage to do something, a path to quickly pay that down to metrics that are, you know, very durable through the cycle for us and maintain that flexibility for us. So it's not off the table, but have to be a very clear path. Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:22:05Yeah. Okay, understood. Then I guess just following on that, when you talk about anticipation of more opportunities on acquisitions coming to the table in the initial stages of an upturn, is that you need to see that initial upturn to get comfortable that there will be a deleveraging path? Or is it in anticipation of more potential sellers looking to take advantage of a better valuation environment in the initial stages of an upturn? I'm just trying to sort of square that up- Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:22:38Yeah Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:22:38and how you think about the timing. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:22:40Yeah. Good morning, Sean. Maybe I'll jump in on that one. You know, again, you never know what might be available when. I think our comments around quality, you know, and every one of our assets gets pressure tested at the bottom of the market, so we have an opportunity to see what you know, what the level of quality is of an asset, you know? And it's hard to say when those assets become available, whether it's in the early stages of a recovery or whatever is happening. I think that is the criteria for us. So it's not... Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:23:17You know, I think we have a balance sheet that, regardless of timing, we'll be able to consider and look at it, and just hard for us to predict when those opportunities may present themselves. I would say we, you know, for us, we're focused on operationalizing what we've invested inside West Fraser and ready if something presents itself that makes us stronger. Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:23:39Got it. Okay. Thanks for that, Sean. That's all I have. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:23:43Thanks, Sean. Operator00:23:46Thank you. Once again, should you have a question, please press star followed by the one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Hamir Patel from CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Hamir PatelForestry, Fertilizers & Chemicals, Building Products, and Packaging Analyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:23:58Hi, good morning. Sean, there's been a lot of discussion around potential housing measures the Trump administration may implement to boost affordability. You know, what do you think would be the most meaningful initiatives that they could bring about, and how soon could that translate into real-world incremental lumber demand? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:24:22Well, first off, Hamir, we would like all of them. You know, so it's hard to pick and choose which ones would be the best. But we are pleased to see the attention the administration is paying to housing affordability and the different ideas that are being talked about and the different measures that are being taken. You know, anything that, you know, allows, you know, allows homebuyers to be able to, to get into a single-family or multifamily home and improves demand, and that is good for our industry and obviously good for West Fraser. So hard to predict, you know, how quickly, what will happen, when it will happen, how long it will take effect. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:25:09I would say from our perspective, we're just pleased, it's being talked about quite a bit with the, the administration on both sides of the border, frankly. Hamir PatelForestry, Fertilizers & Chemicals, Building Products, and Packaging Analyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:25:20Fair enough. And, Sean, it sounded like from your outlook, a bit more cautious on the demand outlook for the year ahead for OSB versus lumber. Can you speak to maybe what drives the difference there and maybe what you're hearing from your customers for growth on the R&R side? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:25:38Yeah, maybe before I answer that, I might just ask Matt to maybe a few comments on the R&R side. Matt TobinSenior VP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser Timber Co00:25:47Sure. I'd say, you know, kind of mixed from our customers. I mean, some projecting, you know, low growth, others flat. So I'd say we're seeing a mix of sentiment on the year, but, you know, no consensus on a shift from what we've seen recently in the R&R markets. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:26:02You know, and in, and in terms of our outlook, Hamir, you know, again, I think we would, we would always take a, a cautious view because we, we really, you know, we really don't know, and, and we are gonna manage our business to be competitive, you know, at the, at the bottom of the market. And, and if it, if it lasts, we're gonna continue to look to take out, remove cost and, make ourselves more competitive. And I really think that's been our focus the last three years, and will continue to be our focus. Hamir PatelForestry, Fertilizers & Chemicals, Building Products, and Packaging Analyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:26:32Fair enough. Thanks. That's all I had. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:26:35Hamir. Operator00:26:38Thank you. That ends our question and answer session. I'll now hand the call back to Sean McLaren for any closing remarks. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:26:46Thank you, Mina. As always, Chris and I are available to respond to further questions, as is Robert Winslow, our Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Thank you for your participation today. Stay well, and we look forward to reporting on our progress next quarter. Operator00:27:06This concludes today's call. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesChris VirostekEVP and CFOMatt TobinSenior VP of Sales and MarketingSean McLarenPresident and CEOAnalystsBen IsaacsonManaging Director and Equity Research at ScotiabankHamir PatelForestry, Fertilizers & Chemicals, Building Products, and Packaging Analyst at CIBC Capital MarketsKetan MamtoraDirector and Building Products Equity Research Analyst at BMO Capital MarketsSean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD CowenPowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(6-K)Annual report(40-F) West Fraser Timber Earnings HeadlinesWest Fraser Timber Co. Ltd. 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Founded in 1955, the company has grown from a regional lumber producer into an international manufacturer and marketer of wood products, pulp and paper. West Fraser produces dimensional lumber, engineered wood products, oriented strand board, plywood, pulp, newsprint and specialty papers. Its products are used in residential and commercial construction, repair and remodeling, packaging, printing and other industrial applications. The company also generates wood chips, residuals and other by-products through its manufacturing operations. West Fraser operates production facilities across Canada and the southern United States, with products sold in North American and international markets. Its operations are supported by timber resources, manufacturing facilities and distribution networks serving construction and industrial customers. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the West Fraser Q4 2025 results conference call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on February 12, 2026. During this conference call, West Fraser's representatives will be making certain statements about West Fraser's future financial and operational performance, business outlook, and capital plans. These statements may constitute forward-looking information or forward-looking statements within the meaning of Canadian and United States securities laws. Such statements involve certain risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, which may cause West Fraser's actual or future results and performance to be materially different from those expressed or implied in these statements. Operator00:01:00Additional information about these risk factors and assumptions is included both in accompanying webcast presentation and in our 2025 annual MD&A and annual information form as updated in our quarterly MD&A, which can be accessed on West Fraser's website or SEDAR+ for Canadian investors and EDGAR for United States investors. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Sean McLaren, President and CEO. Thank you. Please go ahead. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:01:33Thank you, Mina. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our Q4 2025 earnings call. I am Sean McLaren, President and CEO of West Fraser, and joining me on the call today are Chris Virostek, Executive Vice President and CFO, Matt Tobin, Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing, and other members of our leadership team. On the earnings call this morning, I will begin with a brief overview of West Fraser's Q4 and fiscal 2025 financial results, and then pass the call to Chris for additional comments before I share some thoughts on our outlook and offer concluding remarks. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:02:15West Fraser generated -$79 million of adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter of 2025, an improvement from the -$144 million reported in the prior quarter, which had included a $67 million out-of-period duty expense relating to the calendar 2023 duty year. Results remained soft across our business in Q4 as broader housing and repair and remodeling markets continued to face affordability pressures. For full year 2025, we generated $56 million of adjusted EBITDA, down from the $673 million reported in 2024. The lumber segment had a challenging 2025, with the protracted down cycle in lumber among the toughest we've experienced in many years. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:03:10During the year, we made meaningful progress high-grading our mill portfolio, which included a number of closures or curtailments of higher-cost assets, but more importantly, the completion of the ramp-up of our Allendale OSB mill in South Carolina and the completion and commissioning of our new Henderson lumber mill in Texas. In terms of our balance sheet, we had more than $1.2 billion of available liquidity at year-end, which offers us the financial flexibility and strength to support a consistent capital allocation strategy through the cycle. With that high-level overview, I'll now turn the call to Chris for additional detail and comments. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:03:53Thank you, Sean, and a reminder that we report in U.S. dollars and all my references are to U.S. dollar amounts unless otherwise indicated. The lumber segment posted adjusted EBITDA of negative $57 million in the fourth quarter, compared to negative $123 million in the third quarter. The Q4 result is actually quite comparable with the prior quarter if one excludes the $67 million dollar export duty expense reported in the third quarter, which had related to the 2023 calendar year. While not included in our adjusted EBITDA, we reported $473 million of non-cash restructuring and impairment charges in the lumber segment in the fourth quarter. This was related to a goodwill impairment of our U.S. lumber business, as well as the closure of two of our sawmills. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:04:45The North America EWP segment reported negative $24 million of adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter, compared to negative $15 million in the third quarter. Not included in this EBITDA, you will also have seen that we reported a $239 million non-cash restructuring and impairment charge in this segment in the fourth quarter, which was related to the indefinite curtailment of our OSB mill in High Level, Alberta. The pulp and paper segment reported negative $1 million of adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter, compared to negative $6 million in the third quarter. Sequential improvement in this segment was largely owing to the major maintenance shutdown at the mill in the third quarter. In our Europe segment, adjusted EBITDA was $4 million in the fourth quarter versus $1 million in the third quarter, as that business experienced a moderately improved business environment. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:05:40In terms of our overall Q4 results, the sequential EBITDA improvement was supported by reduced SPF log costs, lower southern yellow pine manufacturing costs, and lower OSB labor costs, as well as the absence of the $67 million out-of-period duty expense that we reported last quarter, partially offset by lower lumber and North American OSB prices. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:06:05... Our lumber business continued to benefit from the portfolio optimization actions we have taken in recent years. In some instances, we have been able to replace output from now-closed mills with production from our more modern, larger scale, and lower-cost mills, helping to enhance the overall cost structure of the operation. For instance, in the U.S. South, our Q4 2025 southern yellow pine shipments were 6% lower quarter-over-quarter, while SYP unit manufacturing costs were also lower. Cash flow from operations was negative $172 million in the fourth quarter, with net debt at $131 million, compared to a net cash position of $212 million reported last quarter. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:06:51This change in our net debt is attributed to a normal seasonal build in working capital, $139 million of capital expenditures, and $32 million of cash deployed towards share buybacks and dividends. With respect to our operational outlook for 2026, we have reiterated previously released guidance for the year, as shown on slide eight and as detailed further in our earnings release. Note that if and as the U.S. administration's tariffs and other policies evolve, we will evaluate the impact of the tariffs on our operations and determine revisions to our 2026 forecast as appropriate. With that financial overview, I will pass the call back to Sean. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:07:32Thank you, Chris. Before I shift to concluding remarks, I'd like to make a few comments on our liquidity. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:07:41As you can see on slide nine, we had a healthy balance sheet and total liquidity exceeding $1.2 billion as we exited 2025. While our liquidity has trended lower over the last few years during this extended down cycle, our financial position remains strong, providing us with sufficient flexibility to navigate further economic challenges should they unfold. I think it's also important to reflect upon the history of attractive returns West Fraser has generated for our shareholders. As you can see in the figure at bottom of slide 10, our shareholders have been rewarded for their patience as we have continued to execute on our plans to grow the business, optimize our portfolio through dispositions and/or closures of highly variable or uneconomic assets, and return surplus capital through dividends and buybacks. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:08:36With the total annualized return approaching 9% since the beginning of 2006, which includes share price appreciation and reinvested dividends, we remain proud of what the West Fraser team has been able to accomplish. I'll now shift to our general outlook and add some concluding remarks. There's no avoiding the fact that we face difficult end markets in 2025, but we manage our business for the long run. We have not been resting, waiting for a market recovery. We've been actively investing in and improving the business, and because of that, we remain optimistic about West Fraser's future. For our lumber assets in the U.S. South, we continue to refine and optimize our operations by removing costs and looking for additional margin opportunities. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:09:29We are also ramping up our modernized Henderson Mill, which we believe is positioned to be one of the best mills in our fleet once it achieves full operating rates. In Canada, the supply and demand for SPF products continues to show relative advantages compared to SYP as the U.S. South absorbs the new capacity introduced, introduced in the region in recent years. We continue to execute on our portfolio optimization strategy, which includes the reduction of higher-cost capacity across our lumber platform. Since 2022, we have removed over 1.1 billion board feet of capacity through mill closures and permanent shift reductions, representing a 16% decrease in the company's lumber operating capacity. We've also reduced the number of shifts or hours of operations at various lumber mills across our platform as a means to manage cost. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:10:26At the same time, we have invested nearly $1 billion of capital into our lumber business over the last four years, modernizing assets, adding flexibility to our production platform, removing costs, implementing margin expansion projects, and making our mills safer for our employees. Specifically, with the startup of Henderson, we are nearing completion of the major U.S. lumber investment we have made over the past number of years, with our focus increasingly turned towards operationalizing the capital we have invested in the region. Taking such a proactive approach to portfolio management has further strengthened our cost position and competitiveness. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:11:09In our North American EWP business, we have largely completed the ramp-up of our Allendale OSB mill, while more recently, we announced the planned indefinite curtailment of our High Level OSB mill this spring, which will remove 860 million sq. ft. of currently uneconomic capacity in an effort to balance our production with customer demand. In conclusion, while we rise to meet the needs of our customers every day, we are also dealing with limited macro visibility. In response, we have been actively managing our portfolio to be low cost and diverse by both geography and product to mitigate uncertainties. We remain optimistic about our longer-term prospects and will continue to focus on operational excellence, creating a leading wood-building products company that is resilient and sustainable through the cycle. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:12:05We will do all this while maintaining the type of financial strength that gives us the flexibility to be able to take advantage of growth opportunities as they arise.... Thank you. With that, we'll turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator00:12:21Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by the one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised, and should you wish to cancel your request, please press star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Ben Isaacson from Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director and Equity Research at Scotiabank00:12:58Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Just two questions for me. The first question, can you give a little bit of qualitative color as to how balanced or imbalanced margins were between SPF and SYP in Q4, and how does that look right now? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:13:19Good morning, Ben. You know, we don't specifically call out our different segments, saying that as we saw through, you know, through the quarter, you've seen—you've watched the spread start to close between the pricing between the products. You know, so I think that's reflective of things, things kind of moving as customers adjust their needs and demand patterns, depending on the end uses of the products. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:13:49Saying that, I think we're, you know, as we look to this year on both sides of the border, both products, you know, we're actively looking to make costs, you know, reducing costs, as you saw with both 100 Mile and Augusta in Q4, and we believe both those businesses are positioned to operate through the bottom of the cycle here. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director and Equity Research at Scotiabank00:14:12Great, thanks. And then, I think you mentioned lower log costs for SPF, lower manufacturing for SYP and lower labor for OSB. Among those three, how much of that is sustainable going forward versus a one-off for Q4? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:14:30You know, Ben, I, I'd say, we've been very active and, you know, across all three segments on, not only adjusting capacity on uneconomic assets, but modernizing assets through investment, as well as reducing costs through flexible operating schedules. And I think, the trends you are seeing in our cost structure are really the result of the work we've done over the last several years, to lower cost. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director and Equity Research at Scotiabank00:15:01Great. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Operator00:15:05Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ketan Mamtora from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Ketan MamtoraDirector and Building Products Equity Research Analyst at BMO Capital Markets00:15:12Good morning, Sean, Chris, thanks for taking my question. Maybe to start with, Sean, can you talk about, you know, sort of the M&A opportunities that you are seeing right now, given how depressed lumber prices have been for the last couple of years? Would that be an area of interest at this point, which certainly looks like bottom of the cycle? And related to that, any interest in growing outside of North America in lumber? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:15:43Yeah. Good morning. Good morning, Ketan. You know, I'll make a couple comments here, and Chris, please add anything I miss. You know, I think we've maybe talked about this a few times over the quarters. You know, for us, it's really about how do we make the company stronger at the bottom of the cycle and the current conditions we're in. You know, so asset quality is very important, and you know, over the last number of years, we've actioned a few things, but not very many. And every one of those things has been designed to make us stronger at the bottom. You know, we have a balance sheet to be able to react to anything of quality that presents itself. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:16:23Saying that, you know, we typically the stronger assets are gonna wait for a better time to be available. So, those would be the only comments that I would say on M&A. Chris, anything to add there? Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:16:34No, that's a great summary. Thanks, Sean. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:16:36Yeah. And then in terms of any outside of North America, you know, of course, we're you know, even though the macro environment in Europe continues to be slow, you know, we are pleased with our team, pleased with our assets over in Europe, and they're performing well at the bottom of the market. You know, we continue to work with them to look at how we make our European business stronger, and I think I would just leave it there. There would be nothing in front of us today that we would talk about. It would be the same conditions we would look at in North America. Makes us stronger at the bottom of the cycle, and it's a good return, and our team is ready to take it on. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:17:14You know, we've got the flexibility to be able to consider it. Ketan MamtoraDirector and Building Products Equity Research Analyst at BMO Capital Markets00:17:19Understood. Now, that's helpful. And then just one more from me. How should we think about ramp-up of the Henderson Mill, in the context of more of a demand environment, which is quite muted? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:17:33Yeah, you know, and I think so it's very early days in Henderson. The mill began commissioning at the end of Q4, so we're in the early stages of startup, you know. And as a reminder, it replaces a existing mill. You know, so that volume had been in the market, and we expect through this year to be ramping up to replace that volume. You know, and I think we will continue to look at our customer needs as we move beyond that, and this just gives us another low-cost asset to be able to adjust our full platform with. Ketan MamtoraDirector and Building Products Equity Research Analyst at BMO Capital Markets00:18:12Got it. That's very helpful. I'll turn it over. Good luck. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:18:16Thanks, Ketan. Operator00:18:18Thank you, and your next question comes on the line of Sean Steuart from TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:18:25... Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Question for Sean or for Matt. We've seen a good lift in North American lumber and OSB prices the past couple of months. Interested in your perspective on how much of that you would attribute to seasonal activity picking up in advance of the spring building season versus, you know, maybe the initial stages of a cyclical recovery as supply is rationalized in the market? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:18:52Maybe Matt, I'll hand that one over to you. Matt TobinSenior VP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser Timber Co00:18:57Sure. I think you know what we've seen is just from what we hear from our customers is just you know a little bit more difficult to get what they're looking for at the time they're looking for it. And so you know just as I think supply shrinks and demand stays relatively steady over the last couple of quarters just a little bit harder for our customers to get the product they're looking for when they're looking for it. And it's had an impact on pricing. And as far as spring I would say you know probably a little early to say today. Matt TobinSenior VP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser Timber Co00:19:29I said you usually see a bump in buying in the spring, but you know, as you know, spring is usually defined by that warmer weather, and so just coming out of a couple of weeks of freeze in the U.S., I'd say we're still a little early to see there. And once the weather turns, we'll have a better idea of what spring looks like. Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:19:48Matt, any perspective on the relative strength we've seen for U.S. South pricing of late versus Canada? Matt TobinSenior VP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser Timber Co00:19:56Like I say, I think, I think, you know, from what we hear from our customers, it's a little harder for them to find the product they need when they, when they need it. I think, you know, a lot of curtailment that Sean's talked about, that, that we and, and the industry has taken that makes it a little harder to find the product. And so, you know, just, just reflecting on the pricing based on that, that available supply. Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:20:17Okay. Thanks for that. Chris, I wanted to follow up on the prior question around M&A, and, you know, I appreciate you guys aren't—you don't wanna tip your hand too much in terms of scale of what you'd be looking at or specific areas or products, but I, I know the priority here is sort of sustaining a balance sheet that's flexible. Can you give us any perspective on how thoughts are revolving around minimum liquidity thresholds or maximum leverage targets that the company might be comfortable with as acquisition opportunities are considered in the initial stages of an upturn? Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:20:56Yeah. Thanks, Sean. I think there's a lot of latent financial flexibility in the business. You know, on the leverage side, I think anything that we would consider on leverage would, we'd have to see a very clear path to getting, you know, leverage metrics and interest burden to a level that's very manageable through the cycle. So, you know, I wouldn't say that we would rule out putting leverage on to do something, but there'd have to be a pretty clear path through that to a deleveraging quickly afterwards, you know, through value creation and that really translates to quality assets, right? Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser Timber Co00:21:43It's, as Sean said, things that make us better generate cash flow, there's a synergy opportunity, and if we incur some leverage to do something, a path to quickly pay that down to metrics that are, you know, very durable through the cycle for us and maintain that flexibility for us. So it's not off the table, but have to be a very clear path. Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:22:05Yeah. Okay, understood. Then I guess just following on that, when you talk about anticipation of more opportunities on acquisitions coming to the table in the initial stages of an upturn, is that you need to see that initial upturn to get comfortable that there will be a deleveraging path? Or is it in anticipation of more potential sellers looking to take advantage of a better valuation environment in the initial stages of an upturn? I'm just trying to sort of square that up- Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:22:38Yeah Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:22:38and how you think about the timing. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:22:40Yeah. Good morning, Sean. Maybe I'll jump in on that one. You know, again, you never know what might be available when. I think our comments around quality, you know, and every one of our assets gets pressure tested at the bottom of the market, so we have an opportunity to see what you know, what the level of quality is of an asset, you know? And it's hard to say when those assets become available, whether it's in the early stages of a recovery or whatever is happening. I think that is the criteria for us. So it's not... Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:23:17You know, I think we have a balance sheet that, regardless of timing, we'll be able to consider and look at it, and just hard for us to predict when those opportunities may present themselves. I would say we, you know, for us, we're focused on operationalizing what we've invested inside West Fraser and ready if something presents itself that makes us stronger. Sean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD Cowen00:23:39Got it. Okay. Thanks for that, Sean. That's all I have. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:23:43Thanks, Sean. Operator00:23:46Thank you. Once again, should you have a question, please press star followed by the one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Hamir Patel from CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Hamir PatelForestry, Fertilizers & Chemicals, Building Products, and Packaging Analyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:23:58Hi, good morning. Sean, there's been a lot of discussion around potential housing measures the Trump administration may implement to boost affordability. You know, what do you think would be the most meaningful initiatives that they could bring about, and how soon could that translate into real-world incremental lumber demand? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:24:22Well, first off, Hamir, we would like all of them. You know, so it's hard to pick and choose which ones would be the best. But we are pleased to see the attention the administration is paying to housing affordability and the different ideas that are being talked about and the different measures that are being taken. You know, anything that, you know, allows, you know, allows homebuyers to be able to, to get into a single-family or multifamily home and improves demand, and that is good for our industry and obviously good for West Fraser. So hard to predict, you know, how quickly, what will happen, when it will happen, how long it will take effect. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:25:09I would say from our perspective, we're just pleased, it's being talked about quite a bit with the, the administration on both sides of the border, frankly. Hamir PatelForestry, Fertilizers & Chemicals, Building Products, and Packaging Analyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:25:20Fair enough. And, Sean, it sounded like from your outlook, a bit more cautious on the demand outlook for the year ahead for OSB versus lumber. Can you speak to maybe what drives the difference there and maybe what you're hearing from your customers for growth on the R&R side? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:25:38Yeah, maybe before I answer that, I might just ask Matt to maybe a few comments on the R&R side. Matt TobinSenior VP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser Timber Co00:25:47Sure. I'd say, you know, kind of mixed from our customers. I mean, some projecting, you know, low growth, others flat. So I'd say we're seeing a mix of sentiment on the year, but, you know, no consensus on a shift from what we've seen recently in the R&R markets. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:26:02You know, and in, and in terms of our outlook, Hamir, you know, again, I think we would, we would always take a, a cautious view because we, we really, you know, we really don't know, and, and we are gonna manage our business to be competitive, you know, at the, at the bottom of the market. And, and if it, if it lasts, we're gonna continue to look to take out, remove cost and, make ourselves more competitive. And I really think that's been our focus the last three years, and will continue to be our focus. Hamir PatelForestry, Fertilizers & Chemicals, Building Products, and Packaging Analyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:26:32Fair enough. Thanks. That's all I had. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:26:35Hamir. Operator00:26:38Thank you. That ends our question and answer session. I'll now hand the call back to Sean McLaren for any closing remarks. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser Timber Co00:26:46Thank you, Mina. As always, Chris and I are available to respond to further questions, as is Robert Winslow, our Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Thank you for your participation today. Stay well, and we look forward to reporting on our progress next quarter. Operator00:27:06This concludes today's call. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesChris VirostekEVP and CFOMatt TobinSenior VP of Sales and MarketingSean McLarenPresident and CEOAnalystsBen IsaacsonManaging Director and Equity Research at ScotiabankHamir PatelForestry, Fertilizers & Chemicals, Building Products, and Packaging Analyst at CIBC Capital MarketsKetan MamtoraDirector and Building Products Equity Research Analyst at BMO Capital MarketsSean SteuartEquity Research Anayst at TD CowenPowered by