NYSE:MFA MFA Financial Q4 2025 Earnings Report $8.47 +0.11 (+1.32%) As of 03:58 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast MFA Financial EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.27Consensus EPS $0.27Beat/MissMissed by -$0.00One Year Ago EPS$0.39MFA Financial Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$88.72 millionExpected Revenue$60.56 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$28.16 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMFA Financial Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date2/18/2026TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, February 18, 2026Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsMFA Financial's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Thursday, November 5, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by MFA Financial Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 18, 2026ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: The company deployed over $100 million of excess cash and acquired $1.9 billion of loans and securities in Q4 (including $1.2B agencies, $443M non‑QM, and $226M Lima One originations), which management says positions MFA to grow earnings and ROE in 2026. Positive Sentiment: MFA issued Series C and B preferred shares via an ATM and used proceeds to repurchase ~540,000 common shares at a weighted average discount to Economic Book Value of ~33%; the board reauthorized the buyback program and management calls this accretive while preserving the equity base. Positive Sentiment: Management highlighted $2.3 billion of currently callable securitized debt and expects calling/reissuing deals to unlock an estimated $50–$100 million of capital this year to redeploy into higher‑return assets, with non‑QM securitization spreads remaining attractive. Negative Sentiment: Credit stress remains in legacy books—overall delinquency ended 2025 just over 7% (down YoY but up 30 bps in Q4) and a legacy multifamily transitional portfolio is carried at a $42 million discount to par, causing nonaccruals and interest reversals that pressured net interest income. Positive Sentiment: Operating performance improved—G&A fell ~9.5% to $119M in 2025, distributable earnings rose to $0.27 per share in Q4 (up from $0.20), and management expects DE to reconverge with the dividend in the back half of 2026 while Economic Book Value is estimated to be up ~3% since year‑end. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallMFA Financial Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the MFA Financial fourth quarter 2025 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to our host, Hal Schwartz, General Counsel. Thank you. You may begin. Hal SchwartzGeneral Counsel at MFA Financial00:00:29Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. The information discussed on this conference call today may contain or refer to forward-looking statements regarding MFA Financial, Inc., which reflect management's beliefs, expectations, and assumptions as to MFA's future performance and operations. When used, statements that are not historical in nature, including those containing words such as will, believe, expect, anticipate, estimate, should, could, would, or similar expressions, are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Hal SchwartzGeneral Counsel at MFA Financial00:00:57All forward-looking statements speak only as of the date on which they are made. These types of statements are subject to various known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors, including those described in MFA's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2024, and other reports that it may file from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Hal SchwartzGeneral Counsel at MFA Financial00:01:18These risks, uncertainties, and other factors could cause MFA's actual results to differ materially from those projected, expressed, or implied in any forward-looking statements it makes. For additional information regarding MFA's use of forward-looking statements, please see the relevant disclosure in the press release announcing MFA's fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results. Thank you for your time. I would now like to turn this call over to MFA's CEO, Craig Knutson. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:01:45Thank you, Hal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for MFA Financial's fourth quarter and year-end 2025 earnings call. With me today are Bryan Wulfsohn, our President and Chief Investment Officer, Mike Roper, our CFO, and other members of our senior management team. I'll begin with some general remarks on 2025, touch on the macro and political landscapes, and will then provide an update on MFA's initiatives to foster earnings growth and increase ROEs. I will then turn the call over to Mike, followed by Bryan, before we open up for questions. After three very difficult years for fixed income investors, 2025 felt like an exit from a dark tunnel. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:02:29The Bloomberg US Aggregate Index was up 7.3% in 2025, after being down 7.1% for the prior 3 years, or just under 2.5% annually. Following a 100 basis point reduction in the Fed Funds Rate via 3 rate cuts in the last 3 months of 2024, we had to wait nine months until September of 2025 for the next rate cut, which was quickly followed by two more in October and December. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:02:59Treasury rates also declined during the year, with 2-year yields dropping 77 basis points and 10-year yields dropping by 39 basis points. More importantly, the 2-10 spread steepened from 32 basis points at the beginning of the year to 70 basis points at the end of the year. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:03:17This positively sloped yield curve, while perhaps somewhat modest, is a welcome change from the environment we faced from 2022 to 2024. Additionally, volatility has declined. The MOVE Index began 2025 at just under 198.8, before briefly spiking after Liberation Day in early April to almost 140 and then trended down for the succeeding months, ending the year at just under 64. Now, to put this in context, the MOVE Index was above 100 for almost the entirety of 2022, 2023, and 2024. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:03:57The combination of lower rates, lower volatility, and a positively sloped yield curve are all favorable for the mortgage market and for our business. With recent developments in Washington, D.C., and a strong focus on housing affordability, it seems likely that government policy, while certainly never certain, will continue to be supportive for our markets. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:04:21The recent initiative for the GSEs to buy $200 billion of agency MBS, the nomination of a new Fed chair, with the expectation of further rate cuts later in 2026, and the repeated mantra of do no harm with respect to the mortgage market are all constructive for our market and for our business. We are excited about 2026 as we start the year with these tailwinds at our back. In the fourth quarter of 2025, MFA continued to execute on our strategic initiatives to cap off a solid year of performance. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:04:58Our total economic return in the fourth quarter was 3.1% and 9% for the full year of 2025. Total shareholder return for the year was 6%. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:05:10During our last earnings call in November, I provided details on several strategic actions that we were initiating to increase earnings and grow ROEs over the coming year. I'm happy to report material progress on these fronts. While the results will take several quarters to be fully reflected in our financials, the building blocks are in place. As discussed on our last call, we have deployed over $100 million of excess cash into our target assets in order to reduce the cash drag on earnings. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:05:42We acquired $1.9 billion of loans and securities in the fourth quarter, including $1.2 billion of agencies purchased early in the quarter, $443 million of non-QM loans, and Lima One also originated $226 million of new business purpose loans in Q4. We have highlighted the underappreciated optionality in our outstanding securitization ladder for quite some time now. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:06:08With a constructive rate environment and tight securitization spreads, we believe we will have significant opportunity to call some of these deals and re-lever the underlying loans, reducing our cost of funds while also generating incremental cash to redeploy. We're also excited about the prospects for 2026 at Lima One. We hired 45 new salespeople in 2025. We are debuting a new wholesale channel, and we are relaunching multifamily lending in the first quarter of 2026. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:06:41In addition, we have rolled out several best-in-class technology platforms to enhance the borrower experience and drive operational efficiencies at Lima. The results of these initiatives are not immediate, but we again feel that the building blocks are in place. A number of us visited Greenville in late January to attend Lima's annual meeting, and the energy and enthusiasm at Lima One is palpable. Growth at Lima One in 2026, we believe, will contribute materially to MFA's earnings. We continue to work diligently to resolve delinquent loans in the portfolio. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:07:18This can be maddeningly time-consuming, but our team has been working out delinquent loans for over a decade, the majority of which, by the way, were purchased as nonperforming loans. Our team is the best in the business at this and uniquely suited to the task. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:07:33We resolved over $150 million of delinquent loans in the fourth quarter, unlocking substantial capital to be redeployed at mid-teen ROEs. We've made substantial progress in reducing G&A expenses, both at Lima and at MFA. 2025 G&A was $119 million, down from $132 million in 2024. Many of these actions take some time to be realized, depending on when in the year they occur and whether or not there are severance expenses associated with them. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:08:03We're confident that we will continue to make progress on expense reductions in 2026. Finally, our listeners will recall that we began a program in the third quarter of 2025 to issue, issue additional shares of our two preferred stock issues via an ATM and use the proceeds to repurchase our common stock at a significant discount to book. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:08:27The stock buyback authorization expired at the end of last year, but our board has reauthorized this program, and we expect that we will continue to utilize these two programs when the trading window opens after we file our 10-K. While this program is modest in size thus far, this is very accretive, and importantly, because we are issuing equity in the form of preferred stock, we are not shrinking our equity base despite repurchasing common stock. In the aggregate, we believe we are taking meaningful, active measures to materially increase earnings in ROEs, and we expect to begin to see these results in 2026. I'll now turn the call over to Mike to discuss the financial results. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:09:10Thanks, Craig, and good morning, everyone. At December 31st, GAAP book value was $13.20 per share, and economic book value was $13.75 per share, each up modestly from the end of September. For the quarter, MFA again paid a common dividend of $0.36 and delivered a total economic return of 3.1%. For the full year, MFA paid common dividends of $1.44 and delivered a total economic return of approximately 9%. We were happy to report in late January that approximately 40% of our 2025 common dividends were treated as a tax-deferred return of capital to our shareholders. This is the sixth straight year that a substantial portion of our common dividends were treated as a non-taxable distribution. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:09:54This preferential tax treatment is the result of meticulous tax planning and a significant fully reserved deferred tax asset that gives us additional flexibility to efficiently structure transactions to minimize or defer tax burdens for our shareholders. Though there can be no assurances about the tax treatment of future distributions, this favorable tax treatment has substantially increased the after-tax dividend yield realized by holders of our common stock. Switching back to our results. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:10:20For the fourth quarter, MFA generated GAAP earnings of $54.3 million, or $0.42 per basic common share. Net interest income for the quarter was $55.5 million, a modest decline from $56.8 million in the third quarter, driven primarily by lower yields on our legacy RPL and NPL loan portfolio and interest reversals associated with increased nonaccrual loans in our multifamily transitional loan portfolio. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:10:45These declines were largely offset by higher interest income on both Agency MBS and non-QM loans as a result of our significant asset purchases during the quarter. In the fourth quarter, we again improved our operational efficiency with further progress on our expense reduction initiatives. Quarterly G&A expenses totaled $27 million, a $2 million decline from approximately $29 million last quarter. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:11:09For the full year, G&A expenses were $119.4 million versus $31.9 million in 2024, a decline of approximately 9.5% at the high end of the 7%-10% reduction we had previewed earlier this year. We continue to make progress on additional initiatives that we expect will bring further reductions to our run rate expenses during 2026. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:11:31Distributable earnings for the fourth quarter were approximately $27.8 million, or $0.27 per share, an increase from $0.20 per share in the third quarter. The increase was primarily attributable to $0.09 of lower credit-related charges, which were partially offset by $0.03 of lower gains from sales of REO during the quarter. We continue to see progress from our efforts to grow our return on equity, and we expect our DE to reconverge with our common dividend in the back half of 2026. Moving to our capital. As Craig alluded to, during the quarter, we sold approximately 163,000 shares of our Series C Preferred Stock. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:12:06... and approximately 53,000 shares of our Series B Preferred Stock for cumulative proceeds of approximately $5 million. We used these proceeds to repurchase approximately 540,000 shares of our common stock at a weighted average discount to our Economic Book Value of approximately 33%. Given current market conditions and the trading level of our common stock, we expect to continue to issue preferred shares and repurchase our common shares as a way to enhance returns to our common shareholders without sacrificing scale. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:12:34Finally, subsequent to quarter end, we estimate that our Economic Book Value has increased by approximately 3% since the end of the year. I'd now like to turn the call over to Bryan, who will discuss our investment portfolio and Lima One. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:12:47Thanks, Mike. We acquired nearly $2 billion of residential mortgage assets in the fourth quarter. As Craig mentioned, this included $1.2 billion of agency securities, $443 million of non-QM loans, and $226 million of business purpose loans originated by Lima One. We grew our agency book by over 50% to $3.3 billion during the quarter. Most of our investments were made in late October before spreads tightened significantly. We continue to focus on low pay-up spec pools that offer some prepaid protection. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:13:20Our agency portfolio is comprised mostly of 5.5s purchased at par or at a slight discount to par. We've slowed purchases since the tightening that occurred in late 2025, and especially into the year after the President's directive to the GSEs to buy mortgage bonds. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:13:36That said, it still remains possible to generate a low double-digit ROE on levered agency investments, and we may buy more depending on capital needs elsewhere in the business. Our non-QM whole loan portfolio remains our biggest asset class at $5.3 billion, and we had another successful quarter sourcing, buying, managing, and securitizing non-QM loans. We acquired $443 million of new loans with an average coupon of 7.3% and an LTV just shy of 69%. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:14:08We remain laser focused on credit quality. We buy loans from only select counterparties and still review every loan prior to acquisition. Let's turn to Lima One. Lima originated $226 million of new loans in the fourth quarter. This included $83 million of new construction loans, $48 million of rehab loans, $25 million of bridge loans, and $70 million of rental term loans. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:14:32We continue to sell Lima's production of those longer duration rental loans at a premium to third-party investors. This quarter, we sold $45 million, generating $1.4 million of gain on sale income. Lima, as a whole, produced $5.7 million of mortgage banking income. Although origination volume was lower in the fourth quarter due to seasonality, we continue to make progress positioning Lima for growth. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:14:56We are relaunching multifamily lending with an entirely new underwriting team, and our wholesale channel is now live. We've also made further investments in Lima's sales force and technology capabilities and expect all of these efforts to bear fruit in 2026. Moving to our credit performance. We made good progress throughout 2025, resolving non-performing loans on our balance sheet. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:15:18The delinquency rate across our entire loan portfolio ended the year at just over 7%, down from 7.5% a year ago. We did see a 30 basis point increase during the fourth quarter, which was driven primarily by several defaults in our legacy multifamily portfolio. As a reminder, we have been actively managing the runoff of that book for the past two years, and as we start to approach the tail of that process, we expect that delinquency rate in the legacy portfolio to remain elevated, particularly as loans pay off and its overall size continues to decline. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:15:55It's important to note that these assets are accounted for at fair value and the remaining loans were held at a $42 million discount to par at year-end. We will continue to work hard to wrap up the resolution of that book. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:16:07Finally, moving to our financing. We issued our 21st Non-QM securitization in December, selling $424 million of bonds at an average cost of 5.26%. Securitization spreads have tightened in recent months and remain highly attractive for regular issuers such as ourselves. I once again, like to thank many of our investors who have consistently supported our Non-QM program and look forward to seeing some of you at the conference next week. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:16:36As Craig highlighted earlier, given the recent movement in credit spreads, we continue to re-lever and look at tore-lever some of our securitizations in the months ahead. We currently have $2.3 billion of currently callable securitized debt outstanding, which in some instances has materially delevered since issuance. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:16:58We expect that calling and reissuing deals will be a significant source of liquidity for us in 2026, and will unlock appreciable equity to be deployed in our target assets in the months ahead. With that, we'll turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:17:13Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct our question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star key. Please stand by while we pull for questions. Thank you. Your first question comes from Bose George with KBW. Please state your question. Bose GeorgeEquity Research Analyst at KBW00:17:55Hey, guys. Good morning. Can you talk about- Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:17:58Hi, Bose. Bose GeorgeEquity Research Analyst at KBW00:17:59Good morning. Can you just talk about where you see the run rate ROE on your EAD, you know, once these loss provisions are through? And then like, can you remind us also, like there's capital that's tied up with the delinquent loans, how much that's going to sort of contribute to that number as well? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:18:15...Hey, Bose, thanks for the question. So I guess a few things. One, it's kind of hard to predict, obviously, when exactly these credit losses will be realized. Bryan alluded to in his remarks that we hold a multifamily transitional loan portfolio at a $42 million discount to par. And, you know, given the short duration of those assets, we expect that most of that is attributable to what's eventually gonna flush as credit losses through our DE. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:18:42I think if you think about sort of DE on a lossless basis or, you know, DE before credit charges, you know, I think this year it was in the 8%-9% range, and I think as we get to the back half of next year, certainly closer to that 10-10.5-11 range is sort of the run rate. Obviously, we've done a lot of work, and as Craig alluded to, both last time and this time, a number of initiatives take some time to flush through. But if you think about the, the dividend on our book value, it's, you know, about 10.5%. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:19:15As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we expect the DE to reconverge with the level of the dividend in the back half of 2026. Bose GeorgeEquity Research Analyst at KBW00:19:23Okay, great. That's helpful. Thanks. And then can you just discuss the, you know, the re-entry into the multifamily market? Are you focusing on, is it different loan types, or is the underwriting process different? Just, yeah, can you just talk about, you know, the 2.0 version versus, you know, the older version? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:19:43Sure. So we're sort of targeting, you know, up in quality a little bit and up in unit size and value size. So when you think about the, you know, the prior instance, average loan amounts might have been between three and 10. Now we're sort of targeting between five and 25, so moving up a tier or two in quality. And sort of the idea behind the program is, it's similar to the rental loans. It's an originate to sell model, so to sort of capture the origination fees and then capture some servicing fee on the back end, not necessarily to put on MFA's balance sheet. Bose GeorgeEquity Research Analyst at KBW00:20:26Okay. Okay, great. Thank you. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:20:30Thanks, Bose. Operator00:20:33Thank you. And your next question comes from Doug Harter with UBS. Please state your question. Doug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS00:20:40Thanks, and good morning. You know, as you think about the deals that are potential, you know, could potentially be called, you know, how do you think about the returns you're generating on that capital today and, you know, where that could be redeployed into? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:20:57So in terms of... it's really depending on the deal, right? We still could be generating a mid-teen type return on that deal, but in addition, we can unlock, you know, say, incremental, whatever, $10 million to $20 million to $30 million of liquidity, sort of per deal, that can then be reinvested at that, you know, at our target ROEs of, you know, sort of the mid-teens. So it really is, you think about it as the existing deal is 15, then add another, you know, 30 or 40 million dollars of additional sort of equity that can be redeployed to earn another, you know, 15. So it's all sort of additive. Doug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS00:21:44Got it. And how should we think about the sizing? I mean, you mentioned the large potential that could be called. You know, how should we think about timing and, you know, the magnitude that you guys could get done this year? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:22:00So, I mean, realistically, we could get done, you know, several deals in the coming quarters, which could unlock sort of, say, $50 million-$100 million of capital that can then be redeployed. So, it's a this year activity. Doug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS00:22:21Great. Appreciate it. Thank you. Operator00:22:26Your next question comes from Matthew Erdner with JonesTrading. Please state your question. Matthew ErdnerEquity Research Analyst at JonesTrading00:22:32Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. You know, as you guys went into agency during this quarter, you know, how should we think about capital allocation going forward, you know, as you guys do start to call some of these securities, you know, resolve some of the loans and just get capital back? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:22:51So the expectation is, you know, given the tightening that we've seen in agencies, but it would... You know, we will probably tend to target over time into the non-QM and BPL asset classes. You know, you can't just necessarily go out and buy, you know, $1 billion in loans in a day. So initially, you may see some investments, you know, increased in the agency portfolio, which would then sort of, you know, wind down over time and transfer into the non-QM and BPL space. Matthew ErdnerEquity Research Analyst at JonesTrading00:23:26Got it. That's helpful. And then, you know, kind of switching gears to the rental product now. You know, what's come out of the administration, you know, the potential institutional ban, you know. What kind of clients are you guys dealing with, and would that have kind of any impact on your day-to-day? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:23:43You know, it's pretty unclear whether anything is going to happen, but we don't lend to the largest buyers of single family homes to rent. So, you know, we do believe sort of whatever comes of this, theoretically, right, you know, could be an opportunity for the more, you know, mom and pops to absorb some more market share, which could be beneficial to Lima One from a lending perspective. But there's still, you know... It's very unclear what will come of this. Matthew ErdnerEquity Research Analyst at JonesTrading00:24:13Right. Right. That's helpful. Appreciate the comments, guys. Operator00:24:18... Your next question comes from Eric Hagen with BTIG. Please state your question. Eric HagenEquity Research Analyst at BTIG00:24:26Hey, thanks. Good morning. The move to issue preferred and buyback the common, can you say which series of the preferred that you're issuing? And then more holistically, like, how do you think about the shape of the capital structure and like the right mix of preferred versus common right now? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:24:44Yeah. Hey, Eric, thanks for the question. So during the quarter, we did about 160,000 of the C and about 50,000 of the B. And if you think about the issuance, we're selling more of the C pretty regularly. As far as the capital structure, you know, certainly there's room in the structure to add more preferred. But, you know, that market's been somewhat closed for a while now. But, you know, given this is an ATM program, it's easy to issue at the margin. But definitely if the market becomes more attractive, we'd, you know, we'd be capable of adding additional preferred to the capital stack. Eric HagenEquity Research Analyst at BTIG00:25:27Got it. Okay, that's helpful. Following up on the re-securitization opportunity, I mean, how tight do non-QM spreads really need to be in order for you to see, like, a benefit? Is there a way to sensitize the opportunity relative to where non-QM spreads are currently? And does that opportunity necessarily go away if spreads are wider, or is there still some capital that you can draw out of that portfolio, even if spreads are a little wider than they are today? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:25:57So there's sort of two reasons the opportunity exists. One is that spreads are attractive in a lot of cases to reissue. However, just the natural delevering that occurs in the structure also creates the opportunity. So, you know, it's just sort of an equation and, you know, spreads could, it probably still works if spreads are even 25, 30, 40, 50 wider, depending on the amount of delevering that has occurred in a deal. There might be, you know, one or two deals at the margin that are more attractive to do, given that spreads are tighter. But realistically, it doesn't change our strategy materially if there was a widening in spreads from here. Eric HagenEquity Research Analyst at BTIG00:26:45Right. Gotcha. Thank you, guys, very much. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:26:50Thanks, Eric. Operator00:26:53Thank you. A reminder to the audience, to ask a question, press star one, to remove yourself from the queue, press star two. Your next question comes from Mikhail Goberman with Citizens JMP. Please state your question. Mikhail GobermanEquity Research Analyst at Citizens JMP Securities00:27:06Hey, good morning, guys. Hope everyone's doing well. Just swing it back to Lima One real quick. What are you guys' expectations for margins holding up throughout the year, total volumes throughout the year, and how that sort of product mix is gonna develop as you add in the wholesale and multifamily lending? Thank you. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:27:32Yeah. I mean, in terms of margins, we are seeing, you know, healthy spreads when you think about our, you know, the potential issuance of a RTL securitization versus where coupons are today on the short-term loan. So might be, you know, sort of low five handle cost of funds and rates on new loans are, you know, somewhere between, you know, 8%-11%. So there's a very healthy spread there when you think about ROEs. When we look towards the loan sale pipeline of the term loans, given the demand, given where spreads have gone, we've seen significant premiums. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:28:15If you sort of look at where it was in the last quarter, sort of north of 103, we're sort of still seeing that type of execution today in the market based upon a mid- to high-sixes coupon that's originated. So that continues to be attractive. When we think about sort of the volumes of this year, we would project sort of, you know, we think there's a lot of potential for growth, given that, you know, we did sort of 0 in the way of multifamily and didn't really have a wholesale channel in the prior year. So we think there is sort of, you know, opportunity for sort of incremental growth and it could be material growth throughout the year. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:28:58But these things are sort of just coming online in the first quarter, and it takes some time for them to get up to speed. So we do think it's more of a back half of the year is where we see that incremental growth. So it's unclear what necessarily we'll see for the full year 2026, but I think the runway run rate will be sort of materially higher in the back half. Mikhail GobermanEquity Research Analyst at Citizens JMP Securities00:29:20Thank you very much. That's very helpful. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:29:24All right. Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:29:27Thank you, and there are no further questions at this time, so I'll now hand the floor back to Craig Knutson for closing remarks. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:29:34All right. Thank you everyone for your interest in MFA Financial. We look forward to speaking with you again in May when we announce our first quarter results. Operator00:29:44Thank you. This concludes today's call. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the MFA Financial fourth quarter 2025 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to our host, Hal Schwartz, General Counsel. Thank you. You may begin. Hal SchwartzGeneral Counsel at MFA Financial00:00:29Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. The information discussed on this conference call today may contain or refer to forward-looking statements regarding MFA Financial, Inc., which reflect management's beliefs, expectations, and assumptions as to MFA's future performance and operations. When used, statements that are not historical in nature, including those containing words such as will, believe, expect, anticipate, estimate, should, could, would, or similar expressions, are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Hal SchwartzGeneral Counsel at MFA Financial00:00:57All forward-looking statements speak only as of the date on which they are made. These types of statements are subject to various known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors, including those described in MFA's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2024, and other reports that it may file from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Hal SchwartzGeneral Counsel at MFA Financial00:01:18These risks, uncertainties, and other factors could cause MFA's actual results to differ materially from those projected, expressed, or implied in any forward-looking statements it makes. For additional information regarding MFA's use of forward-looking statements, please see the relevant disclosure in the press release announcing MFA's fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results. Thank you for your time. I would now like to turn this call over to MFA's CEO, Craig Knutson. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:01:45Thank you, Hal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for MFA Financial's fourth quarter and year-end 2025 earnings call. With me today are Bryan Wulfsohn, our President and Chief Investment Officer, Mike Roper, our CFO, and other members of our senior management team. I'll begin with some general remarks on 2025, touch on the macro and political landscapes, and will then provide an update on MFA's initiatives to foster earnings growth and increase ROEs. I will then turn the call over to Mike, followed by Bryan, before we open up for questions. After three very difficult years for fixed income investors, 2025 felt like an exit from a dark tunnel. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:02:29The Bloomberg US Aggregate Index was up 7.3% in 2025, after being down 7.1% for the prior 3 years, or just under 2.5% annually. Following a 100 basis point reduction in the Fed Funds Rate via 3 rate cuts in the last 3 months of 2024, we had to wait nine months until September of 2025 for the next rate cut, which was quickly followed by two more in October and December. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:02:59Treasury rates also declined during the year, with 2-year yields dropping 77 basis points and 10-year yields dropping by 39 basis points. More importantly, the 2-10 spread steepened from 32 basis points at the beginning of the year to 70 basis points at the end of the year. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:03:17This positively sloped yield curve, while perhaps somewhat modest, is a welcome change from the environment we faced from 2022 to 2024. Additionally, volatility has declined. The MOVE Index began 2025 at just under 198.8, before briefly spiking after Liberation Day in early April to almost 140 and then trended down for the succeeding months, ending the year at just under 64. Now, to put this in context, the MOVE Index was above 100 for almost the entirety of 2022, 2023, and 2024. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:03:57The combination of lower rates, lower volatility, and a positively sloped yield curve are all favorable for the mortgage market and for our business. With recent developments in Washington, D.C., and a strong focus on housing affordability, it seems likely that government policy, while certainly never certain, will continue to be supportive for our markets. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:04:21The recent initiative for the GSEs to buy $200 billion of agency MBS, the nomination of a new Fed chair, with the expectation of further rate cuts later in 2026, and the repeated mantra of do no harm with respect to the mortgage market are all constructive for our market and for our business. We are excited about 2026 as we start the year with these tailwinds at our back. In the fourth quarter of 2025, MFA continued to execute on our strategic initiatives to cap off a solid year of performance. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:04:58Our total economic return in the fourth quarter was 3.1% and 9% for the full year of 2025. Total shareholder return for the year was 6%. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:05:10During our last earnings call in November, I provided details on several strategic actions that we were initiating to increase earnings and grow ROEs over the coming year. I'm happy to report material progress on these fronts. While the results will take several quarters to be fully reflected in our financials, the building blocks are in place. As discussed on our last call, we have deployed over $100 million of excess cash into our target assets in order to reduce the cash drag on earnings. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:05:42We acquired $1.9 billion of loans and securities in the fourth quarter, including $1.2 billion of agencies purchased early in the quarter, $443 million of non-QM loans, and Lima One also originated $226 million of new business purpose loans in Q4. We have highlighted the underappreciated optionality in our outstanding securitization ladder for quite some time now. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:06:08With a constructive rate environment and tight securitization spreads, we believe we will have significant opportunity to call some of these deals and re-lever the underlying loans, reducing our cost of funds while also generating incremental cash to redeploy. We're also excited about the prospects for 2026 at Lima One. We hired 45 new salespeople in 2025. We are debuting a new wholesale channel, and we are relaunching multifamily lending in the first quarter of 2026. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:06:41In addition, we have rolled out several best-in-class technology platforms to enhance the borrower experience and drive operational efficiencies at Lima. The results of these initiatives are not immediate, but we again feel that the building blocks are in place. A number of us visited Greenville in late January to attend Lima's annual meeting, and the energy and enthusiasm at Lima One is palpable. Growth at Lima One in 2026, we believe, will contribute materially to MFA's earnings. We continue to work diligently to resolve delinquent loans in the portfolio. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:07:18This can be maddeningly time-consuming, but our team has been working out delinquent loans for over a decade, the majority of which, by the way, were purchased as nonperforming loans. Our team is the best in the business at this and uniquely suited to the task. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:07:33We resolved over $150 million of delinquent loans in the fourth quarter, unlocking substantial capital to be redeployed at mid-teen ROEs. We've made substantial progress in reducing G&A expenses, both at Lima and at MFA. 2025 G&A was $119 million, down from $132 million in 2024. Many of these actions take some time to be realized, depending on when in the year they occur and whether or not there are severance expenses associated with them. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:08:03We're confident that we will continue to make progress on expense reductions in 2026. Finally, our listeners will recall that we began a program in the third quarter of 2025 to issue, issue additional shares of our two preferred stock issues via an ATM and use the proceeds to repurchase our common stock at a significant discount to book. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:08:27The stock buyback authorization expired at the end of last year, but our board has reauthorized this program, and we expect that we will continue to utilize these two programs when the trading window opens after we file our 10-K. While this program is modest in size thus far, this is very accretive, and importantly, because we are issuing equity in the form of preferred stock, we are not shrinking our equity base despite repurchasing common stock. In the aggregate, we believe we are taking meaningful, active measures to materially increase earnings in ROEs, and we expect to begin to see these results in 2026. I'll now turn the call over to Mike to discuss the financial results. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:09:10Thanks, Craig, and good morning, everyone. At December 31st, GAAP book value was $13.20 per share, and economic book value was $13.75 per share, each up modestly from the end of September. For the quarter, MFA again paid a common dividend of $0.36 and delivered a total economic return of 3.1%. For the full year, MFA paid common dividends of $1.44 and delivered a total economic return of approximately 9%. We were happy to report in late January that approximately 40% of our 2025 common dividends were treated as a tax-deferred return of capital to our shareholders. This is the sixth straight year that a substantial portion of our common dividends were treated as a non-taxable distribution. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:09:54This preferential tax treatment is the result of meticulous tax planning and a significant fully reserved deferred tax asset that gives us additional flexibility to efficiently structure transactions to minimize or defer tax burdens for our shareholders. Though there can be no assurances about the tax treatment of future distributions, this favorable tax treatment has substantially increased the after-tax dividend yield realized by holders of our common stock. Switching back to our results. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:10:20For the fourth quarter, MFA generated GAAP earnings of $54.3 million, or $0.42 per basic common share. Net interest income for the quarter was $55.5 million, a modest decline from $56.8 million in the third quarter, driven primarily by lower yields on our legacy RPL and NPL loan portfolio and interest reversals associated with increased nonaccrual loans in our multifamily transitional loan portfolio. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:10:45These declines were largely offset by higher interest income on both Agency MBS and non-QM loans as a result of our significant asset purchases during the quarter. In the fourth quarter, we again improved our operational efficiency with further progress on our expense reduction initiatives. Quarterly G&A expenses totaled $27 million, a $2 million decline from approximately $29 million last quarter. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:11:09For the full year, G&A expenses were $119.4 million versus $31.9 million in 2024, a decline of approximately 9.5% at the high end of the 7%-10% reduction we had previewed earlier this year. We continue to make progress on additional initiatives that we expect will bring further reductions to our run rate expenses during 2026. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:11:31Distributable earnings for the fourth quarter were approximately $27.8 million, or $0.27 per share, an increase from $0.20 per share in the third quarter. The increase was primarily attributable to $0.09 of lower credit-related charges, which were partially offset by $0.03 of lower gains from sales of REO during the quarter. We continue to see progress from our efforts to grow our return on equity, and we expect our DE to reconverge with our common dividend in the back half of 2026. Moving to our capital. As Craig alluded to, during the quarter, we sold approximately 163,000 shares of our Series C Preferred Stock. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:12:06... and approximately 53,000 shares of our Series B Preferred Stock for cumulative proceeds of approximately $5 million. We used these proceeds to repurchase approximately 540,000 shares of our common stock at a weighted average discount to our Economic Book Value of approximately 33%. Given current market conditions and the trading level of our common stock, we expect to continue to issue preferred shares and repurchase our common shares as a way to enhance returns to our common shareholders without sacrificing scale. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:12:34Finally, subsequent to quarter end, we estimate that our Economic Book Value has increased by approximately 3% since the end of the year. I'd now like to turn the call over to Bryan, who will discuss our investment portfolio and Lima One. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:12:47Thanks, Mike. We acquired nearly $2 billion of residential mortgage assets in the fourth quarter. As Craig mentioned, this included $1.2 billion of agency securities, $443 million of non-QM loans, and $226 million of business purpose loans originated by Lima One. We grew our agency book by over 50% to $3.3 billion during the quarter. Most of our investments were made in late October before spreads tightened significantly. We continue to focus on low pay-up spec pools that offer some prepaid protection. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:13:20Our agency portfolio is comprised mostly of 5.5s purchased at par or at a slight discount to par. We've slowed purchases since the tightening that occurred in late 2025, and especially into the year after the President's directive to the GSEs to buy mortgage bonds. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:13:36That said, it still remains possible to generate a low double-digit ROE on levered agency investments, and we may buy more depending on capital needs elsewhere in the business. Our non-QM whole loan portfolio remains our biggest asset class at $5.3 billion, and we had another successful quarter sourcing, buying, managing, and securitizing non-QM loans. We acquired $443 million of new loans with an average coupon of 7.3% and an LTV just shy of 69%. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:14:08We remain laser focused on credit quality. We buy loans from only select counterparties and still review every loan prior to acquisition. Let's turn to Lima One. Lima originated $226 million of new loans in the fourth quarter. This included $83 million of new construction loans, $48 million of rehab loans, $25 million of bridge loans, and $70 million of rental term loans. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:14:32We continue to sell Lima's production of those longer duration rental loans at a premium to third-party investors. This quarter, we sold $45 million, generating $1.4 million of gain on sale income. Lima, as a whole, produced $5.7 million of mortgage banking income. Although origination volume was lower in the fourth quarter due to seasonality, we continue to make progress positioning Lima for growth. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:14:56We are relaunching multifamily lending with an entirely new underwriting team, and our wholesale channel is now live. We've also made further investments in Lima's sales force and technology capabilities and expect all of these efforts to bear fruit in 2026. Moving to our credit performance. We made good progress throughout 2025, resolving non-performing loans on our balance sheet. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:15:18The delinquency rate across our entire loan portfolio ended the year at just over 7%, down from 7.5% a year ago. We did see a 30 basis point increase during the fourth quarter, which was driven primarily by several defaults in our legacy multifamily portfolio. As a reminder, we have been actively managing the runoff of that book for the past two years, and as we start to approach the tail of that process, we expect that delinquency rate in the legacy portfolio to remain elevated, particularly as loans pay off and its overall size continues to decline. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:15:55It's important to note that these assets are accounted for at fair value and the remaining loans were held at a $42 million discount to par at year-end. We will continue to work hard to wrap up the resolution of that book. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:16:07Finally, moving to our financing. We issued our 21st Non-QM securitization in December, selling $424 million of bonds at an average cost of 5.26%. Securitization spreads have tightened in recent months and remain highly attractive for regular issuers such as ourselves. I once again, like to thank many of our investors who have consistently supported our Non-QM program and look forward to seeing some of you at the conference next week. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:16:36As Craig highlighted earlier, given the recent movement in credit spreads, we continue to re-lever and look at tore-lever some of our securitizations in the months ahead. We currently have $2.3 billion of currently callable securitized debt outstanding, which in some instances has materially delevered since issuance. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:16:58We expect that calling and reissuing deals will be a significant source of liquidity for us in 2026, and will unlock appreciable equity to be deployed in our target assets in the months ahead. With that, we'll turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:17:13Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct our question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star key. Please stand by while we pull for questions. Thank you. Your first question comes from Bose George with KBW. Please state your question. Bose GeorgeEquity Research Analyst at KBW00:17:55Hey, guys. Good morning. Can you talk about- Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:17:58Hi, Bose. Bose GeorgeEquity Research Analyst at KBW00:17:59Good morning. Can you just talk about where you see the run rate ROE on your EAD, you know, once these loss provisions are through? And then like, can you remind us also, like there's capital that's tied up with the delinquent loans, how much that's going to sort of contribute to that number as well? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:18:15...Hey, Bose, thanks for the question. So I guess a few things. One, it's kind of hard to predict, obviously, when exactly these credit losses will be realized. Bryan alluded to in his remarks that we hold a multifamily transitional loan portfolio at a $42 million discount to par. And, you know, given the short duration of those assets, we expect that most of that is attributable to what's eventually gonna flush as credit losses through our DE. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:18:42I think if you think about sort of DE on a lossless basis or, you know, DE before credit charges, you know, I think this year it was in the 8%-9% range, and I think as we get to the back half of next year, certainly closer to that 10-10.5-11 range is sort of the run rate. Obviously, we've done a lot of work, and as Craig alluded to, both last time and this time, a number of initiatives take some time to flush through. But if you think about the, the dividend on our book value, it's, you know, about 10.5%. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:19:15As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we expect the DE to reconverge with the level of the dividend in the back half of 2026. Bose GeorgeEquity Research Analyst at KBW00:19:23Okay, great. That's helpful. Thanks. And then can you just discuss the, you know, the re-entry into the multifamily market? Are you focusing on, is it different loan types, or is the underwriting process different? Just, yeah, can you just talk about, you know, the 2.0 version versus, you know, the older version? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:19:43Sure. So we're sort of targeting, you know, up in quality a little bit and up in unit size and value size. So when you think about the, you know, the prior instance, average loan amounts might have been between three and 10. Now we're sort of targeting between five and 25, so moving up a tier or two in quality. And sort of the idea behind the program is, it's similar to the rental loans. It's an originate to sell model, so to sort of capture the origination fees and then capture some servicing fee on the back end, not necessarily to put on MFA's balance sheet. Bose GeorgeEquity Research Analyst at KBW00:20:26Okay. Okay, great. Thank you. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:20:30Thanks, Bose. Operator00:20:33Thank you. And your next question comes from Doug Harter with UBS. Please state your question. Doug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS00:20:40Thanks, and good morning. You know, as you think about the deals that are potential, you know, could potentially be called, you know, how do you think about the returns you're generating on that capital today and, you know, where that could be redeployed into? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:20:57So in terms of... it's really depending on the deal, right? We still could be generating a mid-teen type return on that deal, but in addition, we can unlock, you know, say, incremental, whatever, $10 million to $20 million to $30 million of liquidity, sort of per deal, that can then be reinvested at that, you know, at our target ROEs of, you know, sort of the mid-teens. So it really is, you think about it as the existing deal is 15, then add another, you know, 30 or 40 million dollars of additional sort of equity that can be redeployed to earn another, you know, 15. So it's all sort of additive. Doug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS00:21:44Got it. And how should we think about the sizing? I mean, you mentioned the large potential that could be called. You know, how should we think about timing and, you know, the magnitude that you guys could get done this year? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:22:00So, I mean, realistically, we could get done, you know, several deals in the coming quarters, which could unlock sort of, say, $50 million-$100 million of capital that can then be redeployed. So, it's a this year activity. Doug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS00:22:21Great. Appreciate it. Thank you. Operator00:22:26Your next question comes from Matthew Erdner with JonesTrading. Please state your question. Matthew ErdnerEquity Research Analyst at JonesTrading00:22:32Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. You know, as you guys went into agency during this quarter, you know, how should we think about capital allocation going forward, you know, as you guys do start to call some of these securities, you know, resolve some of the loans and just get capital back? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:22:51So the expectation is, you know, given the tightening that we've seen in agencies, but it would... You know, we will probably tend to target over time into the non-QM and BPL asset classes. You know, you can't just necessarily go out and buy, you know, $1 billion in loans in a day. So initially, you may see some investments, you know, increased in the agency portfolio, which would then sort of, you know, wind down over time and transfer into the non-QM and BPL space. Matthew ErdnerEquity Research Analyst at JonesTrading00:23:26Got it. That's helpful. And then, you know, kind of switching gears to the rental product now. You know, what's come out of the administration, you know, the potential institutional ban, you know. What kind of clients are you guys dealing with, and would that have kind of any impact on your day-to-day? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:23:43You know, it's pretty unclear whether anything is going to happen, but we don't lend to the largest buyers of single family homes to rent. So, you know, we do believe sort of whatever comes of this, theoretically, right, you know, could be an opportunity for the more, you know, mom and pops to absorb some more market share, which could be beneficial to Lima One from a lending perspective. But there's still, you know... It's very unclear what will come of this. Matthew ErdnerEquity Research Analyst at JonesTrading00:24:13Right. Right. That's helpful. Appreciate the comments, guys. Operator00:24:18... Your next question comes from Eric Hagen with BTIG. Please state your question. Eric HagenEquity Research Analyst at BTIG00:24:26Hey, thanks. Good morning. The move to issue preferred and buyback the common, can you say which series of the preferred that you're issuing? And then more holistically, like, how do you think about the shape of the capital structure and like the right mix of preferred versus common right now? Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:24:44Yeah. Hey, Eric, thanks for the question. So during the quarter, we did about 160,000 of the C and about 50,000 of the B. And if you think about the issuance, we're selling more of the C pretty regularly. As far as the capital structure, you know, certainly there's room in the structure to add more preferred. But, you know, that market's been somewhat closed for a while now. But, you know, given this is an ATM program, it's easy to issue at the margin. But definitely if the market becomes more attractive, we'd, you know, we'd be capable of adding additional preferred to the capital stack. Eric HagenEquity Research Analyst at BTIG00:25:27Got it. Okay, that's helpful. Following up on the re-securitization opportunity, I mean, how tight do non-QM spreads really need to be in order for you to see, like, a benefit? Is there a way to sensitize the opportunity relative to where non-QM spreads are currently? And does that opportunity necessarily go away if spreads are wider, or is there still some capital that you can draw out of that portfolio, even if spreads are a little wider than they are today? Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:25:57So there's sort of two reasons the opportunity exists. One is that spreads are attractive in a lot of cases to reissue. However, just the natural delevering that occurs in the structure also creates the opportunity. So, you know, it's just sort of an equation and, you know, spreads could, it probably still works if spreads are even 25, 30, 40, 50 wider, depending on the amount of delevering that has occurred in a deal. There might be, you know, one or two deals at the margin that are more attractive to do, given that spreads are tighter. But realistically, it doesn't change our strategy materially if there was a widening in spreads from here. Eric HagenEquity Research Analyst at BTIG00:26:45Right. Gotcha. Thank you, guys, very much. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:26:50Thanks, Eric. Operator00:26:53Thank you. A reminder to the audience, to ask a question, press star one, to remove yourself from the queue, press star two. Your next question comes from Mikhail Goberman with Citizens JMP. Please state your question. Mikhail GobermanEquity Research Analyst at Citizens JMP Securities00:27:06Hey, good morning, guys. Hope everyone's doing well. Just swing it back to Lima One real quick. What are you guys' expectations for margins holding up throughout the year, total volumes throughout the year, and how that sort of product mix is gonna develop as you add in the wholesale and multifamily lending? Thank you. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:27:32Yeah. I mean, in terms of margins, we are seeing, you know, healthy spreads when you think about our, you know, the potential issuance of a RTL securitization versus where coupons are today on the short-term loan. So might be, you know, sort of low five handle cost of funds and rates on new loans are, you know, somewhere between, you know, 8%-11%. So there's a very healthy spread there when you think about ROEs. When we look towards the loan sale pipeline of the term loans, given the demand, given where spreads have gone, we've seen significant premiums. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:28:15If you sort of look at where it was in the last quarter, sort of north of 103, we're sort of still seeing that type of execution today in the market based upon a mid- to high-sixes coupon that's originated. So that continues to be attractive. When we think about sort of the volumes of this year, we would project sort of, you know, we think there's a lot of potential for growth, given that, you know, we did sort of 0 in the way of multifamily and didn't really have a wholesale channel in the prior year. So we think there is sort of, you know, opportunity for sort of incremental growth and it could be material growth throughout the year. Bryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment Officer at MFA Financial00:28:58But these things are sort of just coming online in the first quarter, and it takes some time for them to get up to speed. So we do think it's more of a back half of the year is where we see that incremental growth. So it's unclear what necessarily we'll see for the full year 2026, but I think the runway run rate will be sort of materially higher in the back half. Mikhail GobermanEquity Research Analyst at Citizens JMP Securities00:29:20Thank you very much. That's very helpful. Mike RoperCFO at MFA Financial00:29:24All right. Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:29:27Thank you, and there are no further questions at this time, so I'll now hand the floor back to Craig Knutson for closing remarks. Craig KnutsonCEO at MFA Financial00:29:34All right. Thank you everyone for your interest in MFA Financial. We look forward to speaking with you again in May when we announce our first quarter results. Operator00:29:44Thank you. This concludes today's call. All parties may disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesBryan WulfsohnPresident and Chief Investment OfficerCraig KnutsonCEOHal SchwartzGeneral CounselMike RoperCFOAnalystsBose GeorgeEquity Research Analyst at KBWDoug HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBSEric HagenEquity Research Analyst at BTIGMatthew ErdnerEquity Research Analyst at JonesTradingMikhail GobermanEquity Research Analyst at Citizens JMP SecuritiesPowered by