Wickes Group H2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Wickes delivered a strong 2025 with group sales up 5.9% and adjusted PBT rising 14.4% to £49.9m, driven by volume-led retail growth and improved design & installation (D&I) momentum.
  • Positive Sentiment: Management is accelerating the store rollout to a new target of 300 stores, using smaller 15–20k sq ft formats to access white‑space locations and targeting ~10+ openings per year from 2028, implying higher future growth potential.
  • Neutral Sentiment: The company remains cash generative (year-end cash £92m, average £153m), maintained the dividend and announced a further £10m buyback but says buybacks will slow as CapEx steps up to £40–45m in 2026 and property CapEx rises in the medium term.
  • Positive Sentiment: D&I has materially improved after 2024 changes — five consecutive quarters of order‑book growth and three quarters of delivered sales growth mean D&I is now contributing to profitability rather than being a drag.
  • Negative Sentiment: Cost pressures persist — operating costs rose 6.7% with ~£17m of inflation (wage and NIC increases), productivity savings (£12.4m) didn’t fully offset this, and stepped‑up tech investment and pre‑opening losses will weigh on near‑term margins.
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Wickes Group H2 2025
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David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us here today, and also for those of you who are joining by webcast. I'm here with our CFO, Mark George, and together we would like to take you through the performance of the business for the year ending 27 December 2025. Sharing how our proven growth levers are continuing to drive strong market outperformance. We'll also share with you our plans to accelerate our store rollout as we see an exciting opportunity to bring the Wickes brand to even more customers across the UK.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

First, turning to last year's business performance, this was a stellar year for Wickes, with both retail and design and installation showing strong volume outperformance. More customers shopping with us has resulted in volume-driven sales growth in our retail business as we have grown market share to record levels.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

In design and installation, the momentum from the transformational actions we took at the end of 2024 and into 2025 has continued, and we have seen a fifth consecutive quarter of ordered sales growth. At a group level, our sales growth of 5.9% is driving operational leverage, resulting in an increase in adjusted profit before tax of 14.4% to GBP 49.9 million.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

It really has been a great year for Wickes, and I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of my fantastic colleagues for their incredible work in delivering these results. We have continued to invest in our store network with the opening of five new stores and 11 refits.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

This investment in our store estate delivers consistently good returns, and shortly, I will share with you why we believe we should accelerate this investment as we have the opportunity to go faster and further to a revised target of 300 stores versus the 250, we had previously announced. We continue to deliver attractive returns to shareholders, and I'm pleased to announce that we've maintained our final dividend at GBP 0.073 and have announced today a further 10 million share buyback. Trading in the first 11 weeks of this year reflects the strength of our balanced business model.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

With outdoor product demand having been impacted by the weather, we've experienced continued volume growth across indoor projects and design and installation. I'll now hand over to Mark to take you through the numbers in more detail.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone. As David mentioned, 2025 was a strong year for the business, with good growth in sales and profits. Revenue for the half was GBP 1.64 billion, up 5.9% versus 2024. Within that, retail was up 6.5%, and design and installation delivered sales were up 4.4%. We had a strong profit flow through with gross margin up 44-basis points and a 14% increase in PBT to GBP 49.9 million.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

We continue to operate with a strong balance sheet, ending the year ahead of expectations with GBP 92 million of cash and averaging GBP 153 million of cash across the year. This profit performance and the strong balance sheet have enabled us to continue delivering good returns to shareholders.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

As David said, we've announced our full-year dividend of GBP 0.109 per share. We've completed the 20 million share buyback for 2025 and today announced a further 10 million buyback. We'll break out more detail in the next few slides, but here we have a summary of the P&L. As I just mentioned, we grew sales in both retail and design and installation, in total increasing sales by GBP 92 million across the year.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Gross margin rate increased by 44-basis points as a result of volume growth, category mix, and lower consumer credit costs for design and installation, which, when combined with the sales growth, resulted in the P&L's gross profit of the business increasing 7.2% year-on-year. Operating costs increased by 6.7%.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

A good productivity program enabled us to mitigate some, but not all, of the significant cost headwinds facing us, in particular, the increases in National Living Wage and National Insurance. In addition, as previously guided, we stepped up our investment in tech this year by around GBP 8 million, building the foundations for future growth. Even with this significant step-up investment, we delivered an 11% increase in operating profit and a 14.4% increase in adjusted PBT, demonstrating healthy operational leverage of the business as it grows.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Let's look at the P&L drivers in more detail, starting with sales. In retail, we delivered a consistently strong performance with sales growth above 6% in both first half and second half. We saw good positive like-for-like growth driven by both TradePro and DIY.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

The number of TradePro members, active members increased to 643,000, and TradePro sales grew by 9%. DIY sales were in mid-single-digit growth. As you can see from the table on the right, this growth in retail like-for-like has once again been exclusively driven by volume with mild deflation for most of the year. Turning now to design and installation.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Our sales performance has continued to improve following the initiatives that were launched in the second half of 2024. The order book has now grown for five consecutive quarters, and with the usual time lag, delivered revenue has now had three quarters of consecutive growth.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

The dark blue blocks on this chart show the non-like-for-like sales growth, which comes from a combination of new stores plus sales from Wickes Solar prior to the anniversary of the acquisition, which happened towards the end of first half. The profit bridge on this slide helps to highlight the key drivers of our 14% growth in PBT in the year. The strong performance in retail margin came from an increase in both sales and margin rate.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

On the equivalent chart last year, design and installation was actually a drag to profit. As you can see here, the progression we've made into delivered sales growth has meant that D&I profit was in growth, adding to the overall profitability of the business.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

On costs, we've shown here first the impact that the strong volume growth has had on our cost base, with around GBP 17 million of costs directly linked to the additional volume going through the business. We can also see GBP 17 million of inflation in costs, which is quite a bit higher than on the same chart last year, which was around GBP 13 million, reflecting the increasing pressures of national living wage and national insurance, among other cost headwinds.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Our productivity program delivered GBP 12.4 million of savings in the year, in line with last year, but not quite enough to completely offset the cost inflation. We continue to invest in the business for the future. Investment initiatives that hit the P&L resulted in GBP 12.9 million increase in costs.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

The biggest component of this was the GBP 8 million step-up in tech that I mentioned earlier. We also had around GBP 3 million of net P&L impact from new stores in terms of pre-opening costs and losses in the first few months of trading.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

This will of course become increasingly a factor as we roll out the estate further. Overall, this shows a very healthy performance across the year. We increased PBT by 14% whilst absorbing around GBP 16 million in costs for initiatives that will benefit growth in sales and profits in future years. Turning to cash. We are a cash generative business and even in a challenging economic environment, we can generate enough cash to reinvest in the business, pay a healthy dividend and buy back shares.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

We ended the period with GBP 92 million of cash, but as you know, December is a low point for us in our seasonal working capital cycle. We averaged GBP 153 million of cash throughout the year. A couple of things to draw out from this bridge. The first is the strong working capital contribution of GBP 25 million, which last year was flat. This was driven by a strong growth in the design and installation order book, improvement in payment terms with some suppliers, and the timing of certain projects where the cash will go out in 2026 rather than 2025.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

We expect some of these benefits to unwind in 2026 and result in a GBP 5 to 10 million drag on working capital this year. The strong cash flow from our growing profit and our healthy balance sheet give us flexibility to invest further in growth initiatives.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Our CapEx plan, which is predominantly invested in new stores and refits, was GBP 28.7 million of spend in the year. A little lower than our guidance of GBP 30 to 35 million, as one or two projects have taken longer to come to fruition and will now be launched in 2026. Also in 2025, we returned GBP 45 million to shareholders in the form of dividends and buybacks. We spent a further GBP 12.5 million buying shares for our employee share schemes.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Overall, a very healthy cash position, and this is the foundation on which we can now accelerate investment in our business, which David will talk you through in a moment. I'll end with some comments on outlook and guidance. So far in first quarter, we've seen the benefit of our balanced business model, as David said.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

While outdoor categories have been impacted by the wet weather, we've seen good growth in our indoor categories and we've continued to grow market share. We remain comfortable with market expectations for growth in PBT in 2026. In terms of our other guidance, I wanted to call out a few from the list here. Firstly, on tax. After a lower than normal effective tax rate in 2025 due to a successful capital allowances claim, we'll return to a more normal level of ETR, slightly above the standard 25% tax rate.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Our CapEx will step up to between GBP 40 million and GBP 45 million, partly as a result of some of the projects that were left over from 2025 and partly as the plan step up as we look to accelerate our investment. As I mentioned earlier, we anticipate a partial unwind in working capital.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Today we've announced a 10 million share buyback, which as David will explain, will be the last one for the time being as we look to step up CapEx investment in the business over the next few years. In addition to the buyback, we will also be buying shares for our employee share plans rather than issuing new shares.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Finally, on dividends, we plan over time to increase the dividend, and the dividend cover so that we are operating within the cover range of our capital allocation framework of 1.5x to 2.5x. In summary, the business has had a very good 2025. We delivered good growth in sales and profit while increasing the levels of investment in the business. We now plan to build on this with a new bolder ambition for future growth, which David will talk you through now.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Thank you, Mark. Now it wouldn't be a Wickes presentation without our strategic framework for growth. The very fact that I present it as every results announcement demonstrates just how the consistency and clarity of our strategy is working so successfully, enabling us to drive growth and market outperformance. Over the next couple of slides, I'll share the actions we've taken across our growth levers and the results we've achieved in the past year. Before I do that, let me touch on some consumer trends that we are seeing across the UK home improvement market.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

As you are aware, we keep a close eye on trends through our monthly Mood of the Nation survey. Our local trade customers tell us they continue to be busy with over 30% having a 12-month-plus healthy pipeline of work.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

For customers in the market for a new kitchen or bathroom, we are seeing that planned spend has been stable over the last few months while remaining below historical norms. Turning to DIY, people are still keen to improve their homes, and with one in two consumers planning to decorate a room this year. Speed and convenience is increasingly important to them. In a recent survey, almost 60% said they expect faster deliveries and that they are happy to pay more for same-day service.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Our Trade Pro membership scheme goes from strength to strength with sales up 9% on the back of an increase in active members to 643,000. I'm sure I don't need to remind you that these are our most strategically valuable customers, spending on average 10x more in a year than a typical DIYer.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

In DIY, we continue to broaden the Wickes brand appeal through our range reviews, innovation and communication. Once again, this has resulted in growth in this customer base. We know that customers value the products and services we offer as we see this coming through strongly in our customer satisfaction metrics.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

For example, 85% of customers rate our click and collect service as excellent or good, and that rises to 89% for our home delivery service which we operate from all stores. Value, convenience and speed really matter to our customers. Our digitally led service-enabled business model enables us to provide all three seamlessly.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We continue to maintain a market-leading price position and during the year added a number of new initiatives to offer customers even faster, more convenient service, including a new 15-minute click and collect and the launch of Wickes Rapid, whereby customers can have home delivery of products weighing up to 800 kg same day in under three hours. This is proving a game changer for local traders, saving them time and money when they're on a job.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Although it's still early days, the customer satisfaction scores have been very positive, generating a healthy number of repeat customers for this service. I mentioned earlier that last year has seen us reach record levels of market share, and you can see from this graph the impressive step up we've seen over the past 12 months, a clear output of the outstanding execution of our consistent strategy.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

This year has been pivotal for our design installation business as the transformational actions we took at the end of 2024 and last year have yielded results. As this chart shows, the performance of delivered sales has been strongly positive for the last three quarters with momentum continuing into first quarter this year. Many of you came to our D&I Investor Insights event at our Staines store last October, and all the exciting new initiatives we shared with you then are having a positive effect on the customer experience and translating into sales.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Founded on a deep understanding of what matters most to our customers, we continue to innovate our ranges. For example, we've added paint to order to our bespoke kitchens offer and extended our furniture colors in our value-led Wickes Lifestyle range.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We have also made significant digital and physical enhancements to simplify the customer journey, including our new design tool. While its full benefits are still to come, it is set to really transform how customers will be able to visualize and create their new kitchen and bathroom in the future. Crucially, our customers are telling us that we're hitting the mark, giving us a 4.4 excellent score on Trustpilot.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Turning to our solar installations business, Solar Fast is now fully integrated in the Wickes Solar brand and we are focused on building the foundations for future growth. Wickes Solar is on prominent display in all our stores and we're also growing our digital presence to build brand awareness.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We have been delighted to welcome customers into five new stores in the year at Leeds Moor Allerton, Bury St Edmunds, Dunfermline, Southport and Northampton, all of which have got off to a great start and are performing well. We have refitted and refreshed a further 11 stores with 83% of the estate now in the new format. Our property plans for 2026 include another four to five new store openings along with 15 to 20 refits and refreshes.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Shortly I'll talk more about our property ambitions, but before that, let me just conclude with the key highlights from across our responsible business strategy. In 2025 we had a number of highlights, including being ranked as the UK's number one retailer in the Financial Times Best Employers Survey.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Our community program continues to support local charities and community groups up and down the country with over 2,500 projects benefiting from products and volunteer support. In April, we launched a new two-year partnership with CALM, the suicide prevention charity.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We are well on our way to hitting our GBP 2 million fundraising target, having already raised an incredible GBP 1 million to date. It's fantastic to be recognized for all the work we do as part of our responsible business strategy with highly positive ESG ratings, achieving a strong A- rating in CDP Climate Change and maintaining a AAA rating in MSCI. Now, I'd like to take a few minutes to outline our future growth ambitions for our store network. As you know, we operate in a large market with strong fundamentals.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

If we take both product and installation services across the UK's home improvement, kitchens, bathrooms, and solar markets, we calculate our addressable market is around about GBP 35 billion. Within this market, we see a significant opportunity for long-term growth. With a relatively small share of around 5%, there's plenty of headroom for growth through taking more share.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Which is why, on the back of another year of successful growth and market outperformance, we are reframing our expectations about our opportunity to materially grow share by expediting our property ambition. Our proven operating model and strength of our balance sheet means that we now see the opportunity to dial up the growth drivers within the business, working within our capital allocation framework.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

The store performance of existing and new stores, together with our proven ability to operate successfully in smaller footprints, provides a body of evidence that gives us the confidence to go faster and further with our new store rollout program. As a result, we're increasing our ambition, as I've said, to 300 stores across the UK. Back in 2022, we said we had plans to open around 20 new stores over the next four to five years.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We're on track with that program. In the past three and a half years, we've opened 13 stores, which are performing well. The store sales and margins are maturing as planned. We're on track to meet our ROCE target of 25%.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Just to give you a sense of how a store typically builds up to maturity, the design and installation element of the store will be the first to grow sales, followed by DIY, then local trade as that customer base strengthens over time. Our new store opening strategy is focused on identifying white space opportunities and building our brand presence in underserved larger towns and cities up and down the UK. Our proven ability to operate successfully in a smaller footprint store opens up a greater volume of potential sites that we can consider.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Just to be really clear, I'm not talking about a new format, but our ability to execute Wickes in a smaller footprint than the current group average. These stores will have a full and compelling retail offer and a kitchen and bathroom showroom similar to any existing Wickes store.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Our efficient 4C operating model and fantastic colleagues enable us to deliver the same customer proposition just from a smaller footprint of 15,000 to 20,000 sq ft, rather than the 27,000 sq ft average that we have across the estate.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

You can also see from the table we deliver a similar EBITDA to the group average from a smaller store. We are trading a number of these smaller footprint stores already, including our Staines store, which many of you would have visited recently, which generates in excess of GBP 10 million revenue a year from a 20,000 sq ft footprint. We've proven our capability to successfully deliver the Wickes customer proposition and make the financials work in a smaller store.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

It's a critical component of our property strategy, giving us access to a greater number of economically viable sites, typically in catchments with a lower population and also infill of major urban areas. Of course, the key to a successful property strategy is picking winning sites, and we are very mindful that as we look to accelerate our network growth, we do so in a focused, disciplined, and highly selective manner.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Over the next couple of years, our property team will be identifying locations, undertaking commercial negotiations with landlords, seeking planning permissions, and managing construction to secure a healthy long-term pipeline. It's worth mentioning that Wickes is viewed as a very good tenant. We have the highest five A1 covenant rating. We add to the diversity of a retail park as a specialty home improvement brand.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We are a growing business, all of which is very attractive to a landlord. Once we have secured the pipeline, we will then be in a position for our rollout program to accelerate from 2028 onwards with around 10+ new store openings per year. At the same time, we'd expect to increase our refresh and refit program to around 20 stores per year. The majority of these will be refreshes, as 83% of our store estate is already now in the new format.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

This means that over the next few years, the refit program will evolve into an ongoing maintenance capital refresh program. You can see here how we expect to effectively double our investment in store CapEx in 2028 from the GBP 20 to 25 million we will spend this year.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We are very excited by the growth opportunity that presents itself, and we are equally confident in our ability to realize our 300-store ambition. We have a well-versed and proven approach to picking winning sites. We have the capacity and resources in our property function to effectively manage the accelerated rollout. Most importantly, we have a model that works. Wickes deserves to be in more locations across the UK, giving our customers the chance to experience the Wickes brand. Our ambition for 300 stores will create over 2,000 new jobs supporting communities nationwide.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Our capital allocation framework is well established. Within that framework, we are now focusing more on growth investment. We continue to maintain a strong balance sheet, and a revised store rollout program increases property CapEx by GBP 20 million per annum in the medium term.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

The strength of the business's cash flow generation will enable our plan to increase both dividend and cover as profits grow. As always, any surplus cash will be returned to shareholders through share buybacks. In summary, it's been a super year for Wickes. Our highly differentiated business model has served us well as we continue to win market share and grow volume. We see significant headroom to increase our market share in the UK's GBP 35 billion home improvement market, and we are scaling up our property ambition to go further and faster with our new store opening program.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

This is underpinned by our strong cash flow generation, enabling us to increase investment in our proven growth levers, in addition to delivering attractive returns to shareholders through our dividend and share buybacks. Thank you for listening. Now, Mark and I will be very happy to take any questions you have.

Matthew McEachran
Partner and Senior Research Analyst at Singer Capital Markets

Great, thank you. Matthew McEachran from Singer Capital Markets. A couple of questions just on the store expansion ambitions. In terms of it'd be useful to just get a little bit of a flavor around how much of the extra target has come from infills rather than white space. I mean, even just a flavor would be very helpful.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Yeah.

Matthew McEachran
Partner and Senior Research Analyst at Singer Capital Markets

I think, you know, you've indicated, you know, an approximate EBITDA, which is very comparable to the existing estate, but from a smaller footprint. I mean, is there anything that would lead to or would prevent your return on capital on this new phase of growth being ahead of the most recent one? It feels like the, you know, the capital spend probably will be slightly lower.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Matthew, thank you for that. I think on balance, if we look at the sites and the opportunity, more will be found in pure white space, versus sort of like those conurbations where we feel we're underrepresented. Yes, there are a handful of conurbations where we're definitely underrepresented. I always use Glasgow and Bristol as two good examples. We still only have one store in Glasgow, but who knows, at this moment in time. I think the balance, I would be thinking at least sort of like 70% pure white space, maybe 30% deepening our presence and penetration in larger towns and conurbations.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Yeah, on returns, I think we'll be aiming for the same level of return. Being able to have a smaller site enables us to take something with a smaller rent that would typically have a smaller revenue than a bigger catchment but gives us a balance of returns. That's the equation. That's why we're now able to stretch into more sites where previously the returns might have been a bit too low if we'd tried to put in perhaps a 30,000 sq ft box, but a 15,000 to 20,000 sq ft just gets it into our return's threshold.

Matthew McEachran
Partner and Senior Research Analyst at Singer Capital Markets

Great. Thank you very much.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Okay.

Grace Gilbey
Grace Gilbey
Analyst at Jefferies

Hi, Grace Gilbey from Jefferies. A few questions from me also on the store estate, on the new rollout. First being, you've obviously made such a big headway around the design and installation component of your business. Given that the stores going forward will be on more of the smaller side, how do you expect to continue to have D&I still be the main focus when you might just have less space in those stores?

Grace Gilbey
Grace Gilbey
Analyst at Jefferies

Or is the focus now to be more on the trades person and having that be kind of a, I don't want to say a Screwfix model by any stretch, but something along those lines, cause that came to mind. That's the first, and then I'll go on the next one.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

I'll take that one, Mark. I think it's firstly, Grace, it's really important to underscore this is not a new format. This is us just rolling out the capability that we've demonstrated to run the entire Wickes proposition in a smaller store footprint. I say Staines is a great example that many have seen more recently. The way it principally works is if we're in a store as small as maybe 15,000 sq ft, you will definitely have a mezzanine, and you'll be putting 4,000 to 5,000 sq ft in the showroom in the sky.

Grace Gilbey
Grace Gilbey
Analyst at Jefferies

Mm-hmm.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

That's probably the optimum model actually. Having the showroom in the sky is the best thing to do in a store. If the store is 20,000 to 22,000 sq ft, we can actually accommodate the showroom downstairs. We have a way of flexing. The smaller the footprint, the more likely the showroom will be in the sky. The bigger the footprint, you know, you can actually accommodate that downstairs.

Grace Gilbey
Grace Gilbey
Analyst at Jefferies

Kind of on that same vein, you've obviously done loads of work around refits and refreshes of the current estate already. Are you open to the fact that any of the new learnings that you have in this new store rollout, you might have to make some changes for the old estate as well? Or are you more confident that the refreshes that you've done are sufficient?

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Yeah, I think that's where the refresh program comes into play versus refit. Refit is a more meaningful intervention at a store level to get it up to the Wickes model. We will continue to go back on some of those earlier refit stores and refresh them as we move through.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

As I said, really, there's an important part of our property capital that now just becomes maintenance. It's just keeping the estate that we spent a number of years getting to a really sharp condition in that sharp condition. You know, as I say, the emphasis there much more into the new network.

Grace Gilbey
Grace Gilbey
Analyst at Jefferies

Fine. Thank you.

David Hughes
David Hughes
Equity Research Analyst at Shore Capital

Hi. David Hughes from Shore Capital. A couple of questions from me. First of all, in terms of cash generation, obviously cash has gone up year-on-year, kind of despite the share buybacks and the dividends that you've paid out. Do you have a view of the right level of net cash that you're looking to in terms of us taking that forward and thinking about future returns to shareholders?

David Hughes
David Hughes
Equity Research Analyst at Shore Capital

Then secondly, just on the kind of more macroeconomic side of things, obviously, you know, recent turbulence on the geopolitical scale is having a knock-on effect already. How do you view the kind of sensitivity to Wickes on that? Is it more on the cost side of things with things like freight and energy, or is it more towards the impact on consumer demand where you're kind of more cautious, shall we say?

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Yeah. I'll pick up the question on cash. The capital allocation framework that we have, the first pillar of that is that we will always want to have at least GBP 50 million of cash. That gives us flexibility for a sudden downturn in the economy or a small acquisition or something like that. That comes at December in our working capital cycle, as you know, so we always aim to have at least GBP 50 million at the year-end. It's not an absolute, but it's a guide. Clearly at the moment we have more than that. That's why we've been paying a dividend that's been higher than our cover range, and we've been buying back shares.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

As we now pivot more towards using our cash for investment, we'll continue with the dividend in the range, but actually the buybacks will slow down. What we will judge over the coming years is the speed of rollout of our estate, and so our CapEx level is a little bit uncertain because we really want to go after this opportunity.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

As David explained, building the pipeline can take some time. If we're as fast as we would like to be, we will find that there won't really be much excess cash versus that GBP 50 million at the year-end if you look forward a year or two. If it's a little bit slower to build out, maybe there will be. For now we're going to keep the cash that we've got because we have ambitions to go as fast as we can.

David Hughes
David Hughes
Equity Research Analyst at Shore Capital

Thank you.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Just on the current sort of like geopolitical or macroeconomic backdrop, I mean, one of the benefits of Wickes, not only the fact that we run a very curated range and we're not seasonal, is we have a high sourcing sort of like focus in the UK. So around about 70% to 75% of our cost of goods are domestic in the UK. Only about 7% of our money do we spend with Asia. So, we don't have much product moving around in terms of shipping.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Some, but we're reasonably insulated. We're not completely immune, but we're reasonably insulated to that stuff. Likewise, when we think more immediately about the ability to run our network and our stores, we're hedged till at least well into next year, aren't we, at least? Yeah.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We've hedged our energy for 100% in 2026, yeah, and 50% till 2027. We're well protected for any kind of short or medium-term crisis.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Yeah. Where it plays out in terms of the consumer sentiment at the moment, we're not seeing any change right now. We'll see how we move through the rest of the year. I think it's always worth reminding, it's a GBP 35 billion market. We're a property-owning democracy, and our homes are still the oldest in Europe, so there's always a demand for repair and maintenance on that big asset that we own as a nation. In that market, given our share, there's always opportunity for growth.

David Hughes
David Hughes
Equity Research Analyst at Shore Capital

Thank you.

Kate Calvert
Kate Calvert
Head of Retail and Consumer Research at Investec

Keeping you walking, aren't I? It's nice. Morning. Kate Calvert from Investec. A couple of questions from me. First of all, could I ask you about your thoughts on gross margin going forward and the sort of main drivers? Cause obviously you saw quite a good improvement in 2025. My second question is on your click and collect. You said that 85% rated you good, excellent. What do the other 15% not like about your click and collect?

Kate Calvert
Kate Calvert
Head of Retail and Consumer Research at Investec

My final question, I'm just interested in your thoughts on the market growth of these energy efficient solutions. It sort of hasn't really taken off obviously as yet. What can you see coming down the pipeline, and when do you think it might start to develop?

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

One, two, three. I'll do two. Starting with gross margin, this year it was a good year. Part of that was actually a change in our consumer credit costs coming down as interest rates came down. That was more of a one-time shift. As we expect in 2026 now, interest rates probably won't move too much. If there is a decline, it'll be very gradual, so it'll be harder to spot that.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

The business has traded well. When you trade well on volume, that makes you very popular with suppliers, so that's helpful in terms of negotiations and volume-based rebates and things like that. Broadly, the way to plan for our business is assume a flat gross margin.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Our route to growing our profit is to grow the top line, keep gross margin flat, and then get into a virtuous cycle where, you know, if we can get better buying terms, we can invest that in price and get the flywheel going again.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

On click and collect, been in retail for a while now, Kate, as you know. I've got to be honest, nearly nine out of 10 customers rating is excellent or good in a service where you're pick, packing and dispatching tons of products in under 15 minutes is no short order at all. It's a phenomenal job done by my colleagues to hit those milestones. I think it's worth remembering that only 18 months ago, our click and collect service was 60 minutes.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We reduced it to 30 minutes, and now we're doing it in 15 minutes. On the same glide path, the customer satisfaction's gone up, because speed matters. The speed, accuracy, and availability really, really matter. Where you might get the people that are less than happy is if it isn't quick enough or maybe not the complete orders there. I'm very, very delighted to see nine out of 10 almost of orders are in the excellent and good. That's a really job well done. On home energy, which was your third question.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

I mean, we see this as a very good long-term opportunity where if you were to combine air source heat pumps, solar, and everything that goes with solar, including batteries and inverters, plus EV charging points for homes, that market will be GBP 10 to 12 billion annually within five to six years. A really big opportunity. It's driven by short and long-term trends. Obviously, the longer-term trend for us to reduce the carbon footprint of our homes, and the government is clearly making that a priority.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

The recent announcement hasn't got all of the detail yet of exactly how consumers will be supported, but certainly the direction of travel is that the government wants to support this. Short-term news flow can also affect it.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

When we were in the energy crisis of autumn 2023, it was, you know, a bit solar, for example, saw a big spike in interest. It'll be interesting to see how the current crisis unfolds, whether that gets people thinking again about energy security for their own home, trying to reduce the cost of energy. We're very confident that this is gonna be a big market. As David said, the UK housing stock is the least efficient of any in Western Europe. If we are gonna reduce the carbon footprint in the country, we've got to do something about retrofitting our homes.

Andy Wade
Andy Wade
SVP of Equity Research at Jefferies

Thanks. Hi there, Andy Wade from Jefferies. A few questions on the updated store target plan. Obviously, big news today, no surprises, a lot of questions on it, I suppose. The first one, what sort of changed in your thinking?

Andy Wade
Andy Wade
SVP of Equity Research at Jefferies

I think you did talk to performance in the smaller format stores. Are those the main things, how well the business is trading overall and the success of the smaller format stores? Have you changed your hurdle rate expectations or recut the analysis at all, or is that what it is? That was the first one. Second one, just to touch back on Matthew's line of questioning on the smaller stores but same EBITDA.

Andy Wade
Andy Wade
SVP of Equity Research at Jefferies

Is that you've got lower revenue, lower rent, same EBITDA, or is it that they're in locations that have got a higher sales intensity despite the smaller footprint? Just sort of working through how that works. Is there any element that because you will have picked obviously decent sites first to trial it, is there a risk that later sites aren't quite as productive as the sites that you've picked, first of all?

Andy Wade
Andy Wade
SVP of Equity Research at Jefferies

On the same theme, you talked to the new store pre-opening sort of drag of GBP 3 million, presumably, and you did hint at this during the presentation. Should be expecting that to increase from, say, GBP 3 million to maybe GBP 6 million. Yeah, that'll do for now.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

You can do two.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Just four then?

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Yeah.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Yeah. Okay.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

I've sort of two, but with... [crosstalk]

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Sort of two questions.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

with sub questions. With sections within, which is always good, Andy, to follow, not least when you're writing it down.

Andy Wade
Andy Wade
SVP of Equity Research at Jefferies

Yeah.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Firstly, on why the shift in the emphasis and the speed. I think it's fair to say over the last sort of like five years, our priority has exclusively been getting the estate we've got, which are brilliant stores in super locations, to the best they can be for the Wickes format. It's all been about the refit, and we've been less focused on the expansion because most importantly, we want to drive those incremental like for like returns from the assets we've got and keep them in a really healthy condition.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Having almost completed that journey, not complete, but almost completed that journey and moving more into a refresh and maintenance model for the existing estate, now is the time to step forward, and we can step forward with confidence cause we've demonstrated over the last four or five years the performance of this business.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We see it as an opportunity, and we've always said, and Mark and I have always operated by the mantra, you know, in tough economic climates, strong businesses get stronger cause they got the clarity and the confidence to invest, and they know the returns they're gonna get. It's much more about that play, from our perspective now. We've done the refit.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

We're moving into new stores, but we feel really confident now given the batch of stores we have around that size and how they're performing, that we can really kick on and take that opportunity sooner, rather than later. I think we've demonstrated our capability of doing that. Site selection, by the way. We're not in a space race. As I said sort of like when I was standing here earlier, this is absolutely about disciplined laydown of capital.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Site selection will be really important, that we're picking sites that will work for the next 20, 30, sort of like 40 years. We're not picking anything. We're being really quite sort of like, you know, highly selective, highly prudent in terms of where we do go.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Cause it's the right thing to do when you're laying down capital. This is not a race for us. This is a proven model that we believe will prove out in more and more towns as we move around the UK. There are two other bits to those four questions, which I didn't cover, so.

Andy Wade
Andy Wade
SVP of Equity Research at Jefferies

Okay... [crosstalk]

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Help me on the bits I don't know that I've missed.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Yeah. On the EBITDA question, you're exactly right. Yeah. It's a lower rent bill, which means that we can take a site and have a slightly lower revenue and still achieve a similar level of profitability. It's as simple as that, which is why David is describing us to be able to move into slightly smaller catchments.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

In terms of whether, you know, the sites will be less productive in the future, no, we don't think so at all. We're learning all of the time, and we're refining the model all of the time. You know, the sites that we've opened in the last three years, of course, have been opened in a period that hasn't been great for the economy, and yet still we're confident about it. I think that's a good sign.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Pre-opening costs and losses in early months, yes, that will. As we ramp up the network expansion, that will become a bigger factor, and we can help guide you to that as it comes. It will be a factor we have to build in so that as you can imagine, a five-year plan going where you're building and building the rate of opening, actually the sort of the profitability is always a little bit delayed because you've got those growing opening, pre-opening costs as well. I think we'll provide the confidence of the performance of the new stores. We're very confident that it will come.

Andy Wade
Andy Wade
SVP of Equity Research at Jefferies

Yeah. Great. Thanks.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Thank you, Andy. Ben's at the back there.

Analyst

Morning. Just to sort of add on Andy's question, if I could push you a bit harder on the sort of profile of the maturity of those stores. When do they actually break even? What's the sort of shape of that maturity to get to that 25% in five years, sort of question I'm on?

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Yeah. They will be breaking even probably after about 12 months. Some stores are profitable almost immediately. As David says, it's different for the different parts of our business. Design and installation takes off very quickly. Actually, the opening of a new showroom in an area really seems to create a buzz and attract a lot of people. On the retail side, DIY comes first, but the trade have their habits of where they've been shopping.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

It just takes a little bit longer to build the TradePro base in each store. We've seen that pattern in pretty much every store we've opened in the last few years. Actually, the drag on profit doesn't last very long. I'd say 12 months on average. Still the point to reach maximum profitability from that point is probably another three to four years. We aim for four to five years, at which point we think it's gonna be mature.

Analyst

All right. I guess you've held your you're comfortable with consensus, I guess, this year, and some might argue that it's looking quite ambitious or stretching. What sort of levers have you got in case, you know, things do get a bit volatile with volumes and et cetera?

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Do you have a mic?

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

It's another sort of mid-teens% growth in PBT if you were to look at consensus. You know, we're a business that has operational leverage, as we've proven this year. If we grow sales, you know, profits will grow faster than sales typically. You know, we're confident in our model. As David said, this is a very big market, GBP 35 billion. The economy didn't give us any help in 2025, and we managed to grow the business nicely. Our aim will be to do so again in 2026.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Matthew.

Matthew McEachran
Partner and Senior Research Analyst at Singer Capital Markets

Yeah. A bit of a follow-up on Ben's question. You did very well to come close to mitigating the inflation, the cost inflationary pressures last year. I presume there is some you know, annualization effect of the actions you took last year to feed through this year. Could you quantify that? Then just in terms of what additional, cause I think you've been confident about there being further opportunity. Do you want to talk about some of the projects that might come through in the course of the current year and what that might amount to?

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Do you want to talk about projects?

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Yeah. I mean, first of all, cost inflation in 2026 probably won't be as high as 2025 on a percentage basis because we had the big impact last year of the National Insurance uplift and also a pretty high National Living Wage, but that National Living Wage, as you know, has come down as an increase. Energy, we are locked in for the whole of 2026 and half of 2027, as I mentioned. I think inflation itself will be a bit lower.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

You know, as you say, we've got some benefit of the annualization of the full-year effect of the measures we put in in 2025. We haven't quantified that externally, but every year we have a bit of a starting, a rolling sort of benefit, and then we build on that with new initiatives.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

I think, I'm not dodging the question here, Matthew, in terms of citing stuff, but the reality is that, you know, the big rocks we've landed in recent years. When it comes to productivity, it really is the sharpening of what you're doing in terms of the value chain. There's nothing meaningful that I would call out outside of the fact that now it does demand that you do a number of small things brilliantly to build up a productivity bucket, which we do every year, and we're always challenging ourselves how efficiently and effectively we're running the organization. But I wouldn't cite any major, you know, opportunity.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Just to reiterate what we said in the past, which is productivity for us is not about making the customer experience worse.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

No.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

It's about finding ways of doing things more efficiently that make the customer experience better and the operating costs lower for Wickes.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Any questions online, Scott?

Company Representative at Wickes

Webcast.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

No.

Company Representative at Wickes

They've all been covered in the room.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

All done?

Company Representative at Wickes

Back to you, David, for closing remarks.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

Wonderful. Well, as ever, thank you very much for attending this morning's presentation. Really appreciate the questions. I mean, hopefully you got a real sense today that, you know, this is a strong business doing very, very well.

David Wood
CEO at Wickes

It was a super year last year, critically all underpinned by volume growth and growth of customers, us appealing to more people in the market. We plan to continue to do that with confidence. As I say, the big news today is the announcement of us accelerating the new store opening program. We continue to look forward to a bright future full of growth as we step forward. Thank you.

Mark George
CFO at Wickes

Thank you.

Analysts
    • Andy Wade
      SVP of Equity Research at Jefferies
    • David Hughes
      Equity Research Analyst at Shore Capital
    • David Wood
      CEO at Wickes
    • Grace Gilbey
      Analyst at Jefferies
    • Kate Calvert
      Head of Retail and Consumer Research at Investec
    • Mark George
      CFO at Wickes
    • Matthew McEachran
      Partner and Senior Research Analyst at Singer Capital Markets
    • Analyst
    • Company Representative at Wickes