NYSE:DTE DTE Energy Q1 2026 Earnings Report $125.35 -0.78 (-0.62%) Closing price 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$125.50 +0.15 (+0.12%) As of 05:08 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast DTE Energy EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.95Consensus EPS $1.98Beat/MissMissed by -$0.03One Year Ago EPS$2.10DTE Energy Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$5.14 billionExpected Revenue$4.37 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$770.80 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ADTE Energy Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2026Date4/30/2026TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, April 30, 2026Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsDTE Energy's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Thursday, October 29, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by DTE Energy Q1 2026 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 30, 2026ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Company secured major data center deals—Oracle (1.4 GW) is approved and under construction and a Google (1.0 GW) agreement has been filed with the MPSC; management says these projects (plus a 2 GW advanced pipeline and 3–4 GW additional pipeline) provide material upside and customer affordability benefits (Oracle ~$300M annual; Google ~$1.7B over the contract) and could drive roughly $5B of incremental generation/storage investment through 2032. Positive Sentiment: Reliability has materially improved—management reported a ~90% reduction in outage duration from 2023–2025, the best all‑weather SAIDI in ~20 years, and rapid storm restorations (>99% restored within 48 hours in the March event), attributing gains to targeted grid investments and process improvements. Positive Sentiment: Solid first-quarter results and reiterated guidance—operating earnings were $407 million (or $1.95/share), with utilities driving gains, and the company remains confident in hitting the high end of 2026 operating EPS guidance and a 6%–8% operating EPS CAGR through 2030 (RNG tax credits cited as a key driver). Positive Sentiment: Regulatory strategy to support affordability and potential rate-case deferment—DTE filed an electric rate case seeking nearly $800M of distribution IRM investment through 2030 and proposed a mechanism to capture excess margin from the Oracle ramp that could allow the company to defer the next rate filing until at least 2028 if conditions (including Oracle timing and approvals) are met; the IRP is expected in Q3 2026. Negative Sentiment: Near-term headwinds and funding demands—energy trading was down $59M in Q1 (timing-related, management expects recovery), corporate results were unfavourable ~$54M (tax timing and higher interest), and the company plans $500M–$600M annual equity issuance (2026–28) to fund an expanded capital plan, which raises dilution and execution/approval risk. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallDTE Energy Q1 202600:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Liz and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the DTE Energy first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:19If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press Star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press Star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Matt Krupinski, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Matt KrupinskiDirector of Investor Relations at DTE Energy00:00:38Thank you, good morning, everyone. Before we get started, I'd like to remind you to read the Safe Harbor statement on page two of the presentation, including the reference to forward-looking statements. Our presentation also includes references to operating earnings, which is a Non-GAAP financial measure. Please refer to the reconciliation of GAAP earnings to operating earnings provided in the appendix. With us this morning are Joi Harris, President and CEO, and David Ruud, CFO. Now I'll turn it over to Joi to start our call this morning. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:01:08Thanks, Matt. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. I'm happy to be with you today. I'll start by saying 2026 is off to a strong start. That momentum gives us confidence in delivering an exceptional year for all of our stakeholders. As we have said before, our success begins with our team. We have a highly engaged organization that's executing extremely well. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:01:34Our team is focused on doing what's right for our customers and communities. That strong employee engagement really shows up in our performance. A great example is our team's response to a couple of large storms we experienced in the Q1. During a January weather event, the team restored 100% of impacted customers within 48 hours. During the March storm, a more significant event, we restored service to over 99% of the customers within 48 hours. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:02:07This kind of performance reflects the commitment, preparation, and pride our employees take in their work. I'm incredibly proud of how our team continues to show up for our customers when it matters most. We continue to execute our customer-focused capital plan that strengthens the grid and improves reliability. These investments are essential to enhance the grid to support our customers, and they're being made with a clear focus on customer affordability. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:02:37That focus is reflected in our recent rate case filing, where we are targeting investments that drive the highest impact while carefully balancing customer affordability. Turning to data centers, we continue to see great progress. The 1.4 gigawatt Oracle Data Center included in our plan is approved and construction is underway. We've also executed an agreement with Google to serve a 1 gigawatt data center. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:03:04This project represents incremental upside to our current long-term plan, and the contract has been submitted to the MPSC for approval. Beyond Oracle and Google, we continue to have constructive discussions with other potential customers. As those conversations progress, they represent additional upside to our capital plan over time. It's also important to highlight that this data center growth provides real affordability benefits to our existing customers. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:03:33These large loads help spread fixed system costs over a broader base. Because these data centers use so much power, they absorb a significant portion of these costs, which will provide meaningful benefits to existing customers as these loads ramp. As I've said, we are off to a great start in 2026 and well-positioned to achieve the high end of our operating EPS guidance. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:04:00We are confident in our long-term operating EPS growth rate target of 6%-8% through 2030, and we remain confident in our ability to reach the high end of our guidance range in each year, driven by RNG tax credits and the flexibility they provide. The Google Data Center project and other data center opportunities provide upside to this plan. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:04:23Let me move to slide five to highlight our improvements in reliability. We've delivered meaningful reliability improvements in 2025, driven by a combination of strategic infrastructure investments, targeted process improvements, and more favorable weather conditions. From 2023-2025, we achieved a 90% improvement in outage duration, reflecting both stronger system performance and faster restoration. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:04:53We recorded our best all-weather SAIDI performance in nearly 20 years, underscoring the impact of our sustained focus on reliability and placing us in the top quartile of utilities nationwide. Last year, we restored 99.9% of impacted customers within 48 hours, demonstrating continued improvement in storm response and operational execution. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:05:17That momentum has carried into 2026 as we continue to successfully execute our reliability strategy. Earlier, I mentioned the strong storm response our team delivered during the first quarter. That performance was on full display during the March storm when we experienced wind gusts of more than 70 miles per hour for a sustained period. About 300,000 customers were impacted. Thanks to dedication and hard work of our crews, nearly all customers had power restored within 48 hours. When we look back at a similar storm several years ago, the progress is clear. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:05:57That earlier event, which was a little less severe, impacted more than 750,000 customers, and restoration took significantly longer. The improvements we're seeing today reflect years of targeted investments, improved processes, and the commitment of our employees. This work continues to make a meaningful difference for our customers through less frequent outages, fast restoration, and improved reliability, and demonstrates that when we invest, it works. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:06:26We are continuing our efforts to modernize our electric distribution system, including the installation of smart grid devices to improve outage detection and restoration times. We are also maintaining a discipline focused on pole top maintenance, executing a robust tree trim program, and advancing the ongoing rebuild of the 4.8 kV system, all of which are critical to long-term reliability. Those initiatives are already translating into measurable results. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:06:58We remain on track to achieve our long-term goals of reducing the number of power outages by 30% and cutting outage duration in half by 2029, reflecting our commitment to sustained improvement. Let me move to slide six to provide an update on data center development. We've continued to make steady progress executing and finalizing contractual agreements needed to support data center growth. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:07:27The Oracle contracts are approved and construction is underway, with load ramping over the next several years. The growth is supported by existing capacity and planned energy storage, and the contracts are structured to ensure Oracle will cover the full cost of energy and capacity they need, while also providing significant affordability benefits to our existing customers. Our project with Google also continues to advance. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:07:55The contracts have been filed with the MPSC for approval, and we expect their load to fully ramp by the end of 2028. The load ramp is supported by a balanced mix of resources, including renewable generation, energy storage, demand response, and additional longer-term generation that will be identified through the IRP process. As a result, meeting Google's capacity needs could drive roughly $5 billion of incremental generation and storage investment through 2032. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:08:27Importantly, these investments are supported by contracts that protect existing customers. We have a 20-year power supply agreement with minimum monthly charges combined with a separate clean capacity acceleration agreement that covers renewable and storage investments. Termination provisions combined with credit and collateral requirements are designed to protect existing customers and support affordability. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:08:54This means that Google will cover the full cost of the energy and capacity they need, while also providing affordability benefits to our other customers. Beyond these 2 projects, we remain highly engaged with additional data center opportunities. We're in advanced discussions that could represent roughly 2 gigawatts of incremental load, with additional projects in our pipeline that could add another 3-4 gigawatts over time. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:09:23Importantly, we also expect additional demand as these customers continue to expand once they are on the system. Collectively, these opportunities would require investment in new base load generation, renewables, and related storage with the exact resource mix and timing to be refined through the IRP process. Overall, we see our strong pipeline continue to advance with disciplined execution that delivers growth while remaining focused on reliability and affordability. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:09:58Let me move to slide seven to describe the benefits these data centers provide and discuss our continued commitment to customer affordability. These data center projects bring on large, steady load that help spread fixed system costs and create meaningful affordability benefits for our existing customers. Once fully ramped, Oracle is expected to drive about $300 million of annual benefits to our existing customers. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:10:25While the Google data center is expected to generate roughly $1.7 billion of benefits over the life of the contract. These savings strengthen our affordability story, complementing the strong continuous improvement culture that we have developed over the years. Continuous improvement is part of how we operate every day, and it underpins our ability to consistently deliver strong reliability while managing customer affordability. We've executed our investment plan with discipline while remaining highly focused on affordability for our customers. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:11:01As the chart illustrates, our average annual bill increases over the past four years have been well below the national average in the Great Lakes region. One of our biggest sources of customer value is how we're using new technology. Advanced analytics are driving efficiencies, lowering costs, and improving maintenance and storm response. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:11:24Delivering customer-focused efficiencies through technology remains a top priority for our team. Our transition from coal to natural gas and renewables is also reducing O&M costs. The tax credits available under the Inflation Reduction Act help to make our clean energy investments more affordable for customers. Today, the typical residential electric bill represents less than 2% of the median household income, and our residential bills are 18% below the national average. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:11:56We also continue to expand energy assistance for our most vulnerable customers, delivering millions of dollars in energy assistance and donating significantly to support nonprofits across Michigan. Overall, we are well-positioned to sustain our historical success in managing customer affordability while continuing to invest in the grid and support long-term growth. Let's turn to the next slide and walk through our regulatory strategy and the benefits we are delivering to our customers. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:12:28Our electric rate case filing is an important step in supporting customer-focused investments in system reliability and grid modernization while continuing to manage affordability. This rate case filing is predominantly driven by our Distribution Infrastructure Investment Plan, which is squarely focused on improving reliability and consistent with the recommendations from an electric distribution audit completed in 2024. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:12:55This plan is focused on achieving our goal of reducing the frequency of power outages by 30% and cutting outage duration in half by 2029. As part of this filing, we're requesting nearly $800 million of distribution investment to be incorporated into the IRM by 2030. This would support consistent, predictable infrastructure investments for our customers and could help delay future rate case filings. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:13:23Our data center agreements are thoughtfully structured to enhance affordability and protect our customers. As I have already highlighted, these contracts deliver significant affordability benefits with strong safeguards in place. As the load from these projects ramp, it creates the potential to extend the timing of our next DTE Electric rate case filing, delivering the benefits to our existing customers from these growth opportunities while we continue to invest in improving reliability. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:13:55We have proposed a regulatory mechanism in this current case to capture any excess margin from the Oracle load ramp above what we have included in our filing. If the Oracle load ramp comes online by the end of 2027 and we receive other required regulatory approvals, we will refrain from filing another rate request until at least 2028. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:14:19Looking longer term, our IRP will provide clear visibility into how we will serve growing demand, including the significant data center load. The IRP will lay out our approach to meeting long-term generation and capacity needs with the filing expected in the third quarter of 2026. This is a transparent process that allows us to identify the most effective and affordable way to serve customers over time. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:14:48Taken together, these efforts reflect a coordinated, disciplined approach to growth, combining thoughtful regulatory filings, well-structured large load agreements, and long-term resource planning to support reliability, affordability, and visibility for our customers. To wrap up, we're off to a strong start in 2026. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:15:10We're executing our plan, making critical infrastructure investments, staying focused on affordability for our customers, delivering reliable, high-quality service to communities we serve, and driving continued strong financial performance for our investors. With that, I'll hand it over to David. David, over to you. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:15:31Thanks, Joi. Good morning, everyone. As Joi mentioned, 2026 is off to a really strong start, and we remain well-positioned to achieve the high end of our operating EPS guidance this year. Let me start on slide nine to review our first quarter financial results. Operating earnings for the quarter were $407 million. This translates into $1.95 per share. You can find a detailed breakdown of EPS by segment, including a reconciliation to GAAP reported earnings in the appendix. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:16:04I'll start the review at the top of the page with our utilities. DTE Electric earnings were $218 million for the quarter. Earnings were $71 million higher than the first quarter of 2025. The main drivers of the variance were timing of taxes, rate implementation, and colder weather, partially offset by higher rate base and O&M costs. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:16:26On the timing of taxes, if you remember, we called out a variance of negative $67 million in the first quarter of last year due to the timing of renewable projects being placed in service, which was a key driver of the variance for the quarter. Moving on to DTE Gas, operating earnings were $210 million, $4 million higher than the first quarter of 2025. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:16:49The earnings variance was driven by colder weather and IRM revenue, partially offset by higher rate base costs. Let's move to DTE Vantage on the third row. Operating earnings were $48 million for the first quarter of 2026. This is a $9 million increase from 2025, driven by higher customer energy solutions and steel-related earnings, partially offset by lower renewable earnings. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:17:15On the next row, you can see energy trading earnings were $59 million lower than the first quarter of 2025. This was primarily driven by expected timing in the first quarter in the power portfolio. We are highly confident in achieving the high end of the full-year guidance range in energy trading as this timing reverses through contracted and hedged positions over the remainder of the year. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:17:41Corporate and other was unfavorable by $54 million, primarily due to the timing of taxes of $43 million and higher interest expense. DTE earned $1.95 per share in the first quarter of 2026, which positions us well to achieve the high end of our guidance range in 2026. Let me move to slide 10, discuss our balance sheet and equity issuance plan. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:18:06We continue to focus on maintaining solid balance sheet metrics. To support the significant increase to our capital investment plan that we need to execute for our customers. We are still targeting annual equity issuances of $500 million-$600 million in 2026 through 2028, with similar levels through 2030. We will continue to maximize the use of internal mechanisms, planning to issue up to $100 million internally. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:18:35For our remaining issuances, we've established an equity ATM program to efficiently execute our funding plan. While no shares were issued under the ATM program during the first quarter, we have priced over $350 million of equity through forward sale agreements that we plan to settle later this year, which is about two-thirds of our full-year target. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:18:57Our five-year plan fully incorporates the equity needs and continues to deliver 6% to 8% operating EPS growth with a bias to the upper end of guidance each year through 2030. Importantly, we remain focused on maintaining our strong investment-grade credit rating and solid balance sheet metrics as we target an FFO to debt ratio of approximately 15%. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:19:19Let me wrap up on slide 11, and then we'll open the line for questions. DTE continues to consistently deliver for all our stakeholders. Our 2026 guidance reflects 6% to 8% operating EPS growth over our 2025 guidance midpoint, and RNG tax credits give us confidence that we can deliver at the higher end of that range. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:19:40Our five-year plan provides high-quality, long-term, 6%-8% operating EPS growth through increased customer focus utility investments, with utility operating earnings making up 93% of our overall earnings by 2030. We are confident we will reach the high end of our guidance range in each year, driven by RNG tax credits and the flexibility they provide. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:20:04As we have stated, the Google contract and additional data center opportunities provide upside to our five-year plan that will be incorporated after the contracts have been approved by the MPSC. We are well-positioned to execute our plan to improve reliability for our customers and strengthen the communities we serve. We're doing so with a strong focus on affordability, supported by multiple levers to manage customer rates, including the significant benefits that data centers drive for existing customers. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:20:35We remain on track to deliver the premium total shareholder returns our investors expect, supported by a strong balance sheet and disciplined execution of our capital investment plan. With that, I thank you for joining us today, and we can open the line for questions. Operator00:21:01We'll pause for just a moment to compile a Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Shar Pourreza with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Shar PourrezaAnalyst at Wells Fargo00:21:15Hey, guys. Good morning. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:21:17Good morning. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:21:18Hey, Shar. Shar PourrezaAnalyst at Wells Fargo00:21:19Good morning. Morning. Morning. Joi, I know you talked about the Google deal strengthening the 8% and the next deal pushing you beyond 8%. I guess, first on Google and the status of the approvals, I mean, Michigan's been noisy, so I guess how should we think about pushback, given it is a contested case? What's been the feedback so far there, and what clarity would you need to put that into plan? Thanks. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:21:44Well, thanks for the question, Shar. You know, the community is welcoming Google, so that makes this a really positive thing for the state. We are seeing, really, I think, positive comments in media about the Google contract. We feel really good about what was filed. We're expecting to get an order in the September timeframe, September 10th, to be by September 10th. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:22:13At least that's what the contract specifies. If you recall, the commission indicated that they're going to read the order, so there won't be a PFD. That was a positive signal that puts us on track for that approval by September. The community is welcoming. The narrative has been really good on the ground, and we feel good about to secure this contract. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:22:40As we've said all along, that, you know, 3 gigawatts would get us to 8+, and at least this Google contract has the potential to get us to eight. We don't wanna get ahead of the approval process. We're gonna let this play out over the summer and into the early part of the fall and get that approval and keep moving forward. Shar PourrezaAnalyst at Wells Fargo00:22:59Got it. Perfect. That's consistent. Just lastly on the next deal announcement, are you still thinking sometime in that Q3 timeframe, could we sort of see an update of that plan and the CAGR around the EEI timeframe embedding the next deal? I guess, how do we sort of handicap the next deal timing, et cetera? Thanks. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:23:22Yeah. I think we are targeting before the end of the year to have, I've always been consistent about that, having something done before the end of the year. Let me just say that we've got 2 gigawatts of hyperscalers that we're in late stage negotiations. At least one of them has zoning already done, so we feel really good about that, and there's a pathway to zoning for the other. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:23:43The, the conversations are progressing quite well. In terms of the updates that we will provide, as, you know, the contract is solidified, rest assured we'll provide updates. Our approach will be to lay out our 5-year plan, no different than prior years, during our third quarter call and at EEI. Provided that we have any information or we solidify the contract at that time, we would incorporate it. If not, it will show up, sometime thereafter. Shar PourrezaAnalyst at Wells Fargo00:24:13Okay. Perfect. Big congrats, guys. That's very consistent. Thanks so much. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:24:17Thank you. Operator00:24:20Next question comes from the line of Michael Lonegan with Barclays. Please go ahead. Michael LoneganAnalyst at Barclays00:24:26Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Obviously you highlighted you're potentially pausing your next electric rate case filing after the current one, you know, dependent on ramp-up of data center load and approval of regulatory items. Obviously this is dependent on a constructive rate case outcome in the current case. I just wonder if you can share your assumption, you know, for a range of ROE and equity ratio outcomes in the case, you know, for that pause and, you know, also how you're thinking about the IRM mechanism coming out of it. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:25:00Yeah. Thanks for the question. We enter every case with an expectation and belief that we'll get a constructive outcome, and that's what we've included in our planning assumptions. The investments that we have highlighted in the case are all targeted toward the grid, which are necessary, and also to transition to cleaner generation, and that's all underpinned by legislation. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:25:25We feel really good about the case that we put before the commission. The IRM is underpinned by our DSP, which is aligned with the Liberty Audit that was completed in 2024. This was a directive from the commission that we followed through on, we feel very strongly about, you know, what we've put forward and at least a clear understanding of how those investments are going to deliver value for our customers. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:25:53In terms of ROE, what we requested is 10.25%. In terms of equity layer, we typically have included a 51% equity in our filing. We'll let this play out, as we always do, over the course of, you know, the next several months. We'll start to see staff and intervener testimony, and that will give us indications as to whether or not we're aligned with the Commission. We feel good about where we stand today. Michael LoneganAnalyst at Barclays00:26:22Great. Thank you. You know, so you got potential pause in electric, but shifting to gas, you know, after the current pending case, when could we expect you to file the next gas rate case? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:26:37We're gonna let this case play out. We did ask for an increase in the IRM, which was supported by the staff and their testimony, which is a really positive sign. We have some other large investments that we included in this case which were supported as well. This is all, you know, updating our transmission system in the gas business, so that's really positive for us. Once we get the final order, we'll determine the next filing cadence. Michael LoneganAnalyst at Barclays00:27:05Okay. Great. Thank you for taking my question. Operator00:27:10Your next question comes from the line of Julien Dumoulin-Smith with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:27:17Hey, good morning. Can you hear me okay? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:27:19Hey, Julien. Yes. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:27:22Excellent. Well, congratulations to Joi Harris and the team here. Really nicely done. Congrats on the continued success. Maybe just take it up where Michael left it off here. I mean, what is the stayout dependent on? Just to pick it up there. Just in terms of the timing with Google, if it's approved and comes online as planned, how does that impact the electric stay out here? Can you elaborate just a little bit about some of the parameters here as you think about it? Obviously, Oracle's coming online at the end of 2027 here. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:27:50Yeah. Yeah. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:27:50You can talk about the different pieces. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:27:52Sure. The mechanism that we filed essentially takes the, any excess margin above and beyond what we've incorporated in the case and pushes it into a subsequent filing where we will propose how to flow back the benefits to the customers, and that gives us the potential to stay out for multiple cycles. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:28:14If you layer on the Google contract on top of it once it's approved, that could very well give us the opportunity to push out cases even further. That's how we've set it up in the case, Julien, and we are looking forward to getting feedback from the Commission once they've had an opportunity to fully absorb the filing. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:28:34We'll start to see testimony from staff and on the next several months, and we'll have some indication as to whether or not there's good support. Generally, I think all of us are seeing that data centers are going to deliver the affordability benefits as promised, and this is a way for us to showcase it and deliver on the promise that we've made early on. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:28:58Awesome. Excellent. That's what I thought. There could be a little bit of a extension factor there, especially, I suppose, if you get a third too, right? Again, each one would incrementally push out that timeline. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:29:10Yes. Load growth, data center load growth will provide meaningful affordability benefits for our customers. We've said that all along, and this is that projection coming to fruition. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:29:23Yep, exactly. Just not to nitpick, but to come back on the other pieces of the business, if you will, everything else. Just so you're guiding here to flat earnings for Vantage by 2030. How do you think about that if you layer in the data center opportunity? I guess it's another way to just talk about the pieces that go into the 6-8 here. Also separately, how do you think about the Vantage Recycling Avenue here, especially as we talk about Google and potentially a 3rd here? It would seem like that's more ripe now than ever, but I don't want to put words in your mouth. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:29:55Yeah. Vantage has a really strong pipeline of opportunities that we continue to advance. The data center opportunity with Vantage is progressing quite well. We're down to, you know, the short strokes, as I like to call it. Hopefully, we will have an agreement, a full agreement in place over the next several weeks and be able to communicate this more fully to the broader community. It's an exciting opportunity that has the potential to expand even beyond where it is. Just given the technology that we're deploying, it's transferable. Recall this is a Behind the Meter project that is roughly 350 megawatts. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:30:39Since there is such shortage of power across the nation, this could be a very interesting opportunity for other hyperscalers and/or co-locators that are looking to expand their footprint. We've begun some preliminary just examination of where this might fit. For right now, we're focused on the project that we have underway, and this fits nicely into the plan that we've already established. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:31:08As for Vantage and recycle opportunities, as always, we look at Vantage and examine Vantage every year. This business has served us well for over 20 years. That's not to say, though, that we're not always looking to create more shareholder value. We'll examine for rotation opportunities along the way and provide you updates if anything materializes, but there's nothing imminent. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:31:36Thank you, Joi. Appreciate it. We'll talk soon. All the very best. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:31:39All right. Take care. Operator00:31:43Your next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:31:49Hi, good morning. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:31:51Hey, Jeremy. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:31:53Hey, thanks for the details so far. Just looking to build a little bit more, if we could. For the Oracle and Google data centers, how would you frame the ramp in sales growth as these projects come online? You know, how should we think about that over time at this point? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:32:13Well, the ramp for Oracle in 2026 is relatively small, but it shoots up exponentially beyond 2026. They get to their full ramp over the next couple of years. Same thing with Google. Google will start out relatively small and then, expand to 1 gigawatt by 2028. That's how the data centers are looking to ramp over the next couple of years. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:32:40Got it. I guess to refine that a bit more, how do you think that compares to a minimum contracted level? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:32:50How does it compare to minimum contracted levels? Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:32:53Do you think there's the potential for a faster ramp than maybe where demand charges stand? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:32:58Oh, I see. I think what the contract and which is why we've included this mechanism, the contract allows for some flexibility. We won't fully know until the facility is constructed. Of what I can tell you is construction is progressing as planned. There's no indication that there is a slowdown of any sort. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:33:19We intend to see Oracle attached to the grid by the end of this year and then begin to take electrons off the grid thereafter. In terms of their minimum billing demand, as they are ramping, it's aligned with their load ramp. Depending on the scale of their load ramp, and we have not published that, I don't think we've made that public for obvious reasons. Suffice it to say, so long as they stay on schedule, we see that they will be on a fast ramp. If there is any delay, and they have that option to delay for 1 year, then the mechanism that we're proposing covers it. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:34:05Got it. That's very helpful there. Thanks. Just wanted to turn to customer benefits, if you could, and your approaches to the $300 million annual and $1.7 billion overall customer benefits from Oracle and Google contracts. Just wondering, you know, how those contracts compare, if there's any differences to think about there. Really just, you know, how do you think about future deals here, bringing similar scope of benefits, or just what are you looking for in the future? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:34:32The Oracle contract, because we did not have to construct anything substantial, we are only building battery storage to support the load, and they're covering the full revenue requirement for that battery storage. You've got a pretty significant affordability benefit. We do have to make some additional baseload additions to our fleet to cover off Google, and that will be identified in our IRP. The affordability benefit, while sizable, is a little less than what you see in the Oracle contract for obvious reasons. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:35:18Got it. How does this, I guess, inform what you're looking for in any potential future agreements, I guess, as far as what the, you know, the size or scale of benefits could shape up to be? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:35:30Any deal that we arrive at has to provide affordability benefits for our customers. There, that is a requirement of the law. Our desire is to maximize that at every opportunity. It's gonna be dependent upon the size and scale of the hyperscaler, the resources that we have to bring online to support them, and their ability to flex their load over time, and that will dictate how much affordability savings that will flow to our customers. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:36:03Understood. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Operator00:36:08Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Richard Sunderland with Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Richard SunderlandAnalyst at Truist Securities00:36:16Hey, good morning. Thanks for the time today. You know, just wanted to circle back to some of the rate case discussion, maybe just to put a finer point on the IRM side. Do you need an IRM outcome consistent when you're asked for the stay out, or is it really around this newly proposed mechanism you've been discussing that's, I guess, key for staying out? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:36:37Yeah, it's around the mechanism that we're proposing. I can tell you the IRM, we're looking to grow it to $800 million by 2029, and we have approval for 2026 and 2027 already. We feel really good about the IRM potential. We've aligned it to the DSP as requested by the commission, the DSP is in firm alignment with the Liberty Audit that was performed in 2024. Richard SunderlandAnalyst at Truist Securities00:37:08Got it. That's, that's very helpful. And then, you know, there's certainly a lot of attention around the state and kind of the data center dynamic on the local level. It sounds like for you, there's, you know, really a lot of continued interest. But trying to understand if you've seen any shifting in sort of your conversations and how the projects are approaching it on their side. And then I guess while we're on zoning, for that Oracle site, is there expansion potential there without additional zoning required? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:37:39I'll answer your last question first. I think Oracle is taking up a portion of the footprint, so there is some expansion potential there. As for what we're seeing on the ground, the hyperscalers and co-locators have all engaged more fully with local government and local communities. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:38:01When they do that, we see that there is more acceptance and more willingness to allow those types of companies to take up locations in those communities. Case in point, Van Buren Township, and there are others. We are feeling really good about the hyperscalers and co-locators in our pipeline. Many of them have zoning or have a pathway to zoning, and they are progressing quite nicely through our pipeline because of it. Richard SunderlandAnalyst at Truist Securities00:38:39Great. Thank you so much. Operator00:38:43Your next question comes from the line of Bill Pisciotti with UBS. Please go ahead. Bill PisciottiAnalyst at UBS00:38:50Hi, good morning. I just wanted to ask about the financing, excuse me, around the incremental $5 billion that you outlined here that the Google contract could drive. I mean, how should we think about that? Could you just remind us on, you know, how you would finance that and, you know, maybe back to the earlier question on capital recycling, would that, you know, pull forward some urgency or need for that? David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:39:17Hi, Bill. This is David Ruud. The incremental capital that would come into the plan would be partially funded with equity. We think about 40% equity on average, depending on the timing of the cash flows. We'll also use converts and hybrids to support our balance sheet as we execute those investments. You're right. Before, we weren't, we didn't have a need for equity. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:39:42It does make us think about, you know, are there other opportunities and ways that we can maximize value across the company by finding some asset recycling that could help? Nothing, obviously nothing imminent there. Right now we just assume some more traditional funding. Bill PisciottiAnalyst at UBS00:40:01Okay. As far as future deals, I mean, is your view to run everything through the utility and under these contracts? Would there be any desire to look to do something bilateral directly with, you know, with hyperscalers as opposed to running it through the utility model? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:40:20Yeah, our focus is on growing our two utilities. We're gonna continue to leverage the vast assets that we have in the electric companies to serve this load and future loads. Bill PisciottiAnalyst at UBS00:40:33Okay. Just lastly, on RNG, is there anything market conditions-wise there we should focus on, or should we just assume that you're going to be able to fully maximize the earnings potential there at RNG on the tax credits? David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:40:48Yeah, we have what we think are conservative assumptions in our forecast for the year at $50 million-$60 million. We are seeing now the DOE and the DOEs and the Treasury are working through the rules right now. We think what we have is a conservative assumption right now. We're producing at a high level. You know, we feel like we have a good assumption there for our RNG. Bill PisciottiAnalyst at UBS00:41:18Okay. Is there a potential for a modest upside to that, or is that just basically likely within that range? David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:41:25We did see some upside last year because we started with some conservative assumptions, but we're waiting to see how these rules play out before we would do anything for this year. Bill PisciottiAnalyst at UBS00:41:35Okay. All right. Thanks very much. Operator00:41:39Your next question comes from the line of Michael Sullivan with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Michael SullivanAnalyst at Wolfe Research00:41:45Hey, good morning. Maybe just. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:41:48Good morning. Michael SullivanAnalyst at Wolfe Research00:41:49Hey, Joi. Hey, David. Just following on Bill's question there. I know each deal may look different in terms of resource mix, but the $5 billion of CapEx for the 1 gigawatt Google deal, is that like a decent rule of thumb for future deals? The 2 gigawatts in late-stage negotiations, is that basically two customers of similar size? Would that be a fair assumption as well? David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:42:21I'd say, Michael, on your first question, all these deals are pretty bespoke in what they're gonna be providing as far as capital and when that will flow in. You know, The Google one has a lot of renewables and storage as well as some base loads. You know, I would say they'll all be somewhat bespoke in how they'll come in over time. Then, and your second question, as far as new deals, there's an assortment of sizes in what we're looking at, but there are some that are among that scale of what we're seeing with Google One, too. Michael SullivanAnalyst at Wolfe Research00:42:55Okay. That's, that's helpful. Yeah, David Ruud, just sticking with you, like any more color you can provide on just the trading print for the quarter. I know you pointed to kinda some timing reversals, looking to still hit the high end of the segment for the year, I think it's been a little bit since we've seen like a negative quarter just in absolute terms. Just any more color on the dynamic there will be helpful. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:43:23Yeah. The shaping that we saw in the Q1 was contemplated in our guidance that we gave in February. As you said, we do remain confident in the full year guidance and hitting the high end because we have these hedged and contracted revenues that are gonna play out for us. We did experience similar shaping in 2023 and 2024, so we expected it. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:43:44Additionally, some of the impact we saw in the first quarter was timing, and we know that that's gonna flow back through us through the year through some contracted position. We do remain highly confident that we're gonna hit the high end of our full year guidance to energy trading this year. Michael SullivanAnalyst at Wolfe Research00:44:01Okay. Then just in the spirit of like some of the asset rotation questions, any thoughts as to whether this still remains like a core business, or could it be monetized at all? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:44:14Yes. Trading is a part of our core business. Again, every year we look at, you know, the non-utility businesses, and we examine whether there's additional shareholder value that we can realize. We'll continue to examine that. For now, trading is part of the DTE company, part of the DTE family, and will remain so. Michael SullivanAnalyst at Wolfe Research00:44:39Okay, great. Thank you both very much. Operator00:44:42Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Weisel with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:44:56Hello? Operator00:44:59Hey, Andrew. Your line is open. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:45:03Hi. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:45:03Good morning, everyone. Can you hear me now? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:45:05Yes, we can. Hi, Andrew. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:45:08Hi. Sorry about that. Thank you for all the details, appreciate all the insights on a strong update. First question on the data centers. I appreciate the credit protections that you have in place and all the specifics in the prepared remarks. My question is, can you remind us of the concentration from these customers first? They're obviously gonna represent a major portion of your sales volumes and revenues. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:45:30I wanna say it's 40% of the total is in my mind. Is that figure right? My real question is, do you have different requirements for different customers based on credit risk profiles? You know, would you have different protections in place or different credit or collateral requirements for Oracle versus Google and Alphabet? What about hyperscalers that might be less high profile? Would you treat those customers differently? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:45:56So the credit protections differ based on the strength of the counterparty. We examine them each separately and determine what credit protections are necessary. You are correct. Yes, the concentration will be roughly 40% once they arrive at their full ramp. As we get more data centers online, we will examine their position, we'll examine the assets that we have to build on their behalf, we will establish the appropriate credit protections that will insulate our customers from stranded assets and also rate shock. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:46:35Okay. Could you comment, Oracle specifically versus Google and Alphabet? Are those two being treated the same or differently? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:46:44I can't comment on that. That is commercial information that we have not made publicly available. Suffice it to say, we treat them accordingly. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:46:56Okay. Understood. That's fair enough. Second question, in terms of the storms, certainly impressive results in terms of the data and outage restoration and results. Well done on that. Very impressive. My question is, given the history of negative feedback on reliability, what kind of responses are you getting from key stakeholders like regulators, the staff, local community leaders, politicians? Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:47:19On the cost side, to get those results, were these storms more expensive than what you've historically spent in terms of pre-staging and execution? Is it more like you're being rewarded for the grid investments you've been making over the past few years? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:47:35I'll answer your last question first. These storms are not more expensive than prior years. As you heard in my opening comments, a similar storm actually that was less severe resulted in 750,000 customers out. This storm this year with 70 mile an hour winds, we only saw 300,000 customers out, and we were able to get everybody back on within 48 hours. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:48:02That we are measuring at the circuit level how each circuit is performing under duress. We can say definitively that these investments are in fact working. Where we've made the investments, the grid is holding up quite nicely to really extreme conditions. Your first question was around how stakeholders are responding. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:48:26I would just point you to the commission and their comments on the Behind the Meter podcast, where they're pointing to the improvements that are made in the grid and how DTE is performing as a result of the investments and the work that we've done to improve our processes. We're hearing from our customers and other stakeholders that things have improved. It's noticeable, but clearly there's more work to be done. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:48:54Very good. Thank you so much. Operator00:48:58Your next question comes from the line of Paul Fremont with Ladenburg. Please go ahead. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:49:06Thank you very much, and congratulations. My first question is, how much of the $5 billion of Google investment would you expect would fall into your current five year capital spending plan? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:49:26Yeah. Paul, thanks for the question. You could assume that some of the renewables, some of the storage, would fall into the five year, and then we would begin to ramp the base load generation toward the back end of the five year and then it would carry beyond the five year time horizon. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:49:47Right. I would expect then that the 700 megawatt gas plant that'll show up in the IRP would be mostly, if not completely, beyond sort of the forecasting period. Is that fair? David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:50:01Well, actually, a lot of that comes in ahead of time as we're preparing the site and making some of the, some of the purchases we have to make too. I think it'll straddle the five year and then a little bit beyond it. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:50:14Great. Then when would you update your capital spending plan to include Google? Are you waiting for regulatory approval? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:50:25Yes Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:50:25... or, Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:50:28Yeah. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:50:28I'm sorry, what? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:50:29Yes. That would be the timing that we would likely update our plan, and we're expecting to get an order early in September. By the time we are with you all at EEI, we would likely be in the position to talk to you about exactly when that $5 billion shows up and in what years. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:50:47Got it. Perfect. Last question from me, can you maybe update us a little bit about the governor's race and what so far any of the candidates have commented with respect to either affordability or with respect to their positions on data centers? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:51:08Yes, the field is forming. There are really four candidates now. The Republicans, there's a neck and neck race between John James and Perry Johnson here in the States. We've got one Democrat in Jocelyn Benson and an independent in Mike Duggan. We have been sharing our story around affordability, which is a good one. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:51:31We've showcased our bill growth on an absolute basis, being in top decile at 5% compared to the national average, which is roughly 26%. We've talked to them about share of wallet and where we stand relative to the nation. We're at 1.8%, balance of the country is at 2%. We had our best reliability performance in 20 years and a really strong performance in the first quarter, as I mentioned in my opening remarks. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:52:01We've talked to them about the affordability benefits that data centers offer to our customers and how we intend to flow those back. Case in point, our most recent filing. The messages have been well-received. I had just recently spoke with John James, and we'll have some follow-up discussions. I've had conversations with Jocelyn Benson and also with Mike Duggan. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:52:22Generally, all support data centers. They like the load growth and the opportunities it presents for our customers in terms of affordability benefits. We're also focused on economic development and how we can continue to bring more growth to the state. This has been a really constructive introduction, and we're gonna continue those conversations as the race unfolds. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:52:46Great. That's it for me. Thank you. Operator00:52:50Your next question comes from the line of Anthony Crowdell with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Anthony CrowdellAnalyst at Mizuho00:52:59Follow-up to an earlier question on Vantage. Obviously, we read a lot in the papers about this bring your own generation interest with hyperscalers, especially in the RTO regions. Any interest in Vantage looking at opportunity in whether it's PJM or other parts of the country? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:53:17Hey, Anthony. Yeah, like I said, we gotta get this one first deal under our belt. It is proving to be a very interesting vertical. We are seeing just the application, certainly capable of serving other hyperscalers and or co-locators in other jurisdictions. While we are hyper-focused on closing out this first deal, we're scanning the environment to see if there's potential elsewhere. The counterparty that we're dealing with has interest beyond this first location that they're working on. It could be a very interesting vertical, like I've mentioned before. Anthony CrowdellAnalyst at Mizuho00:54:00Great. Just the last one. The 1 gigawatt for Google, you know, expect to be fully ramped by the end of 2028. What infrastructure does DTE need to, you know, put in or build to reach their full ramp by 2028? I'm just trying to think of what needs to be on the DTE side to get to the full ramp. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:54:17Yeah. To get to their full ramp, we're gonna build likely renewables, battery storage. Remember, they've also incorporated a demand response in the contract. Those assets, to serve them at least near term, we'll fold those into our five-year update. Of course, once we solidify our IRP, then we will begin to fold in the build-out of base load generation even further. Anthony CrowdellAnalyst at Mizuho00:54:46That's all I had. Thanks so much. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:54:48Thanks, Anthony. Operator00:54:50Your last question comes from the line of Durgesh Singh from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Durgesh SinghAnalyst at Bank of America00:54:57Good morning, guys. I just had a question on, you know, the mechanism you're talking about. Obviously, you know, you're talking about being able to capture the excess margin. Is there a precedent for this in at the MPSC, maybe in a different customer class? I guess what triggers that mechanism? Also just, is it just the rate case that needs to be approved, or is there any other, you know, regulatory approvals that it needs to go through? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:55:25I'll answer your last question first. Yes, there will be some additional regulatory approvals. The mechanism will be punted, if you will, to a separate filing, and dispositioned accordingly. Is there a precedent? I'd say yes. We did something very similar during the COVID years when we saw increased residential load. We were able to pass those savings on to customers to defray, to keep us out of rate cases, but also to defray the cost of us doing true term. Durgesh SinghAnalyst at Bank of America00:55:57Okay, that makes sense. Then, just secondary question, you know, more on, as you kind of go down this 5 to 6 gigawatt pipeline, and you're thinking that you kinda need more capital intensive, you know, base load power, how do you see the economics and the contract structures changing? You know, is it more demand response from the customers, or is it, you know, a higher contract cost? Just love to hear more about that. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:56:24It could be demand response, but like I said, these are all bespoke agreements. It's gonna be a function of the size and the interest that the hyperscaler has in particular assets, and then obviously, where they choose to locate. We are keeping all options open and certainly, very interested in solidifying a deal before the end of the year. Durgesh SinghAnalyst at Bank of America00:56:48All right. Thank you so much. Operator00:56:52We have no further questions. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:56:56Well, thank you. Operator00:56:56Yes. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:56:57Thank you, everyone. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. I'll just close out by saying we are off to a great start in 2026. We remain well-positioned to achieve our goals for the year. I'm very excited about our long-term plan and the opportunities ahead. I look forward to seeing many of you on the road throughout the years. Have a great morning. Stay healthy and stay safe. Thank you again. Operator00:57:23Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Liz and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the DTE Energy first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:19If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press Star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press Star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Matt Krupinski, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Matt KrupinskiDirector of Investor Relations at DTE Energy00:00:38Thank you, good morning, everyone. Before we get started, I'd like to remind you to read the Safe Harbor statement on page two of the presentation, including the reference to forward-looking statements. Our presentation also includes references to operating earnings, which is a Non-GAAP financial measure. Please refer to the reconciliation of GAAP earnings to operating earnings provided in the appendix. With us this morning are Joi Harris, President and CEO, and David Ruud, CFO. Now I'll turn it over to Joi to start our call this morning. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:01:08Thanks, Matt. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. I'm happy to be with you today. I'll start by saying 2026 is off to a strong start. That momentum gives us confidence in delivering an exceptional year for all of our stakeholders. As we have said before, our success begins with our team. We have a highly engaged organization that's executing extremely well. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:01:34Our team is focused on doing what's right for our customers and communities. That strong employee engagement really shows up in our performance. A great example is our team's response to a couple of large storms we experienced in the Q1. During a January weather event, the team restored 100% of impacted customers within 48 hours. During the March storm, a more significant event, we restored service to over 99% of the customers within 48 hours. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:02:07This kind of performance reflects the commitment, preparation, and pride our employees take in their work. I'm incredibly proud of how our team continues to show up for our customers when it matters most. We continue to execute our customer-focused capital plan that strengthens the grid and improves reliability. These investments are essential to enhance the grid to support our customers, and they're being made with a clear focus on customer affordability. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:02:37That focus is reflected in our recent rate case filing, where we are targeting investments that drive the highest impact while carefully balancing customer affordability. Turning to data centers, we continue to see great progress. The 1.4 gigawatt Oracle Data Center included in our plan is approved and construction is underway. We've also executed an agreement with Google to serve a 1 gigawatt data center. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:03:04This project represents incremental upside to our current long-term plan, and the contract has been submitted to the MPSC for approval. Beyond Oracle and Google, we continue to have constructive discussions with other potential customers. As those conversations progress, they represent additional upside to our capital plan over time. It's also important to highlight that this data center growth provides real affordability benefits to our existing customers. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:03:33These large loads help spread fixed system costs over a broader base. Because these data centers use so much power, they absorb a significant portion of these costs, which will provide meaningful benefits to existing customers as these loads ramp. As I've said, we are off to a great start in 2026 and well-positioned to achieve the high end of our operating EPS guidance. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:04:00We are confident in our long-term operating EPS growth rate target of 6%-8% through 2030, and we remain confident in our ability to reach the high end of our guidance range in each year, driven by RNG tax credits and the flexibility they provide. The Google Data Center project and other data center opportunities provide upside to this plan. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:04:23Let me move to slide five to highlight our improvements in reliability. We've delivered meaningful reliability improvements in 2025, driven by a combination of strategic infrastructure investments, targeted process improvements, and more favorable weather conditions. From 2023-2025, we achieved a 90% improvement in outage duration, reflecting both stronger system performance and faster restoration. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:04:53We recorded our best all-weather SAIDI performance in nearly 20 years, underscoring the impact of our sustained focus on reliability and placing us in the top quartile of utilities nationwide. Last year, we restored 99.9% of impacted customers within 48 hours, demonstrating continued improvement in storm response and operational execution. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:05:17That momentum has carried into 2026 as we continue to successfully execute our reliability strategy. Earlier, I mentioned the strong storm response our team delivered during the first quarter. That performance was on full display during the March storm when we experienced wind gusts of more than 70 miles per hour for a sustained period. About 300,000 customers were impacted. Thanks to dedication and hard work of our crews, nearly all customers had power restored within 48 hours. When we look back at a similar storm several years ago, the progress is clear. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:05:57That earlier event, which was a little less severe, impacted more than 750,000 customers, and restoration took significantly longer. The improvements we're seeing today reflect years of targeted investments, improved processes, and the commitment of our employees. This work continues to make a meaningful difference for our customers through less frequent outages, fast restoration, and improved reliability, and demonstrates that when we invest, it works. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:06:26We are continuing our efforts to modernize our electric distribution system, including the installation of smart grid devices to improve outage detection and restoration times. We are also maintaining a discipline focused on pole top maintenance, executing a robust tree trim program, and advancing the ongoing rebuild of the 4.8 kV system, all of which are critical to long-term reliability. Those initiatives are already translating into measurable results. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:06:58We remain on track to achieve our long-term goals of reducing the number of power outages by 30% and cutting outage duration in half by 2029, reflecting our commitment to sustained improvement. Let me move to slide six to provide an update on data center development. We've continued to make steady progress executing and finalizing contractual agreements needed to support data center growth. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:07:27The Oracle contracts are approved and construction is underway, with load ramping over the next several years. The growth is supported by existing capacity and planned energy storage, and the contracts are structured to ensure Oracle will cover the full cost of energy and capacity they need, while also providing significant affordability benefits to our existing customers. Our project with Google also continues to advance. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:07:55The contracts have been filed with the MPSC for approval, and we expect their load to fully ramp by the end of 2028. The load ramp is supported by a balanced mix of resources, including renewable generation, energy storage, demand response, and additional longer-term generation that will be identified through the IRP process. As a result, meeting Google's capacity needs could drive roughly $5 billion of incremental generation and storage investment through 2032. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:08:27Importantly, these investments are supported by contracts that protect existing customers. We have a 20-year power supply agreement with minimum monthly charges combined with a separate clean capacity acceleration agreement that covers renewable and storage investments. Termination provisions combined with credit and collateral requirements are designed to protect existing customers and support affordability. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:08:54This means that Google will cover the full cost of the energy and capacity they need, while also providing affordability benefits to our other customers. Beyond these 2 projects, we remain highly engaged with additional data center opportunities. We're in advanced discussions that could represent roughly 2 gigawatts of incremental load, with additional projects in our pipeline that could add another 3-4 gigawatts over time. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:09:23Importantly, we also expect additional demand as these customers continue to expand once they are on the system. Collectively, these opportunities would require investment in new base load generation, renewables, and related storage with the exact resource mix and timing to be refined through the IRP process. Overall, we see our strong pipeline continue to advance with disciplined execution that delivers growth while remaining focused on reliability and affordability. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:09:58Let me move to slide seven to describe the benefits these data centers provide and discuss our continued commitment to customer affordability. These data center projects bring on large, steady load that help spread fixed system costs and create meaningful affordability benefits for our existing customers. Once fully ramped, Oracle is expected to drive about $300 million of annual benefits to our existing customers. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:10:25While the Google data center is expected to generate roughly $1.7 billion of benefits over the life of the contract. These savings strengthen our affordability story, complementing the strong continuous improvement culture that we have developed over the years. Continuous improvement is part of how we operate every day, and it underpins our ability to consistently deliver strong reliability while managing customer affordability. We've executed our investment plan with discipline while remaining highly focused on affordability for our customers. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:11:01As the chart illustrates, our average annual bill increases over the past four years have been well below the national average in the Great Lakes region. One of our biggest sources of customer value is how we're using new technology. Advanced analytics are driving efficiencies, lowering costs, and improving maintenance and storm response. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:11:24Delivering customer-focused efficiencies through technology remains a top priority for our team. Our transition from coal to natural gas and renewables is also reducing O&M costs. The tax credits available under the Inflation Reduction Act help to make our clean energy investments more affordable for customers. Today, the typical residential electric bill represents less than 2% of the median household income, and our residential bills are 18% below the national average. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:11:56We also continue to expand energy assistance for our most vulnerable customers, delivering millions of dollars in energy assistance and donating significantly to support nonprofits across Michigan. Overall, we are well-positioned to sustain our historical success in managing customer affordability while continuing to invest in the grid and support long-term growth. Let's turn to the next slide and walk through our regulatory strategy and the benefits we are delivering to our customers. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:12:28Our electric rate case filing is an important step in supporting customer-focused investments in system reliability and grid modernization while continuing to manage affordability. This rate case filing is predominantly driven by our Distribution Infrastructure Investment Plan, which is squarely focused on improving reliability and consistent with the recommendations from an electric distribution audit completed in 2024. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:12:55This plan is focused on achieving our goal of reducing the frequency of power outages by 30% and cutting outage duration in half by 2029. As part of this filing, we're requesting nearly $800 million of distribution investment to be incorporated into the IRM by 2030. This would support consistent, predictable infrastructure investments for our customers and could help delay future rate case filings. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:13:23Our data center agreements are thoughtfully structured to enhance affordability and protect our customers. As I have already highlighted, these contracts deliver significant affordability benefits with strong safeguards in place. As the load from these projects ramp, it creates the potential to extend the timing of our next DTE Electric rate case filing, delivering the benefits to our existing customers from these growth opportunities while we continue to invest in improving reliability. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:13:55We have proposed a regulatory mechanism in this current case to capture any excess margin from the Oracle load ramp above what we have included in our filing. If the Oracle load ramp comes online by the end of 2027 and we receive other required regulatory approvals, we will refrain from filing another rate request until at least 2028. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:14:19Looking longer term, our IRP will provide clear visibility into how we will serve growing demand, including the significant data center load. The IRP will lay out our approach to meeting long-term generation and capacity needs with the filing expected in the third quarter of 2026. This is a transparent process that allows us to identify the most effective and affordable way to serve customers over time. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:14:48Taken together, these efforts reflect a coordinated, disciplined approach to growth, combining thoughtful regulatory filings, well-structured large load agreements, and long-term resource planning to support reliability, affordability, and visibility for our customers. To wrap up, we're off to a strong start in 2026. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:15:10We're executing our plan, making critical infrastructure investments, staying focused on affordability for our customers, delivering reliable, high-quality service to communities we serve, and driving continued strong financial performance for our investors. With that, I'll hand it over to David. David, over to you. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:15:31Thanks, Joi. Good morning, everyone. As Joi mentioned, 2026 is off to a really strong start, and we remain well-positioned to achieve the high end of our operating EPS guidance this year. Let me start on slide nine to review our first quarter financial results. Operating earnings for the quarter were $407 million. This translates into $1.95 per share. You can find a detailed breakdown of EPS by segment, including a reconciliation to GAAP reported earnings in the appendix. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:16:04I'll start the review at the top of the page with our utilities. DTE Electric earnings were $218 million for the quarter. Earnings were $71 million higher than the first quarter of 2025. The main drivers of the variance were timing of taxes, rate implementation, and colder weather, partially offset by higher rate base and O&M costs. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:16:26On the timing of taxes, if you remember, we called out a variance of negative $67 million in the first quarter of last year due to the timing of renewable projects being placed in service, which was a key driver of the variance for the quarter. Moving on to DTE Gas, operating earnings were $210 million, $4 million higher than the first quarter of 2025. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:16:49The earnings variance was driven by colder weather and IRM revenue, partially offset by higher rate base costs. Let's move to DTE Vantage on the third row. Operating earnings were $48 million for the first quarter of 2026. This is a $9 million increase from 2025, driven by higher customer energy solutions and steel-related earnings, partially offset by lower renewable earnings. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:17:15On the next row, you can see energy trading earnings were $59 million lower than the first quarter of 2025. This was primarily driven by expected timing in the first quarter in the power portfolio. We are highly confident in achieving the high end of the full-year guidance range in energy trading as this timing reverses through contracted and hedged positions over the remainder of the year. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:17:41Corporate and other was unfavorable by $54 million, primarily due to the timing of taxes of $43 million and higher interest expense. DTE earned $1.95 per share in the first quarter of 2026, which positions us well to achieve the high end of our guidance range in 2026. Let me move to slide 10, discuss our balance sheet and equity issuance plan. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:18:06We continue to focus on maintaining solid balance sheet metrics. To support the significant increase to our capital investment plan that we need to execute for our customers. We are still targeting annual equity issuances of $500 million-$600 million in 2026 through 2028, with similar levels through 2030. We will continue to maximize the use of internal mechanisms, planning to issue up to $100 million internally. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:18:35For our remaining issuances, we've established an equity ATM program to efficiently execute our funding plan. While no shares were issued under the ATM program during the first quarter, we have priced over $350 million of equity through forward sale agreements that we plan to settle later this year, which is about two-thirds of our full-year target. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:18:57Our five-year plan fully incorporates the equity needs and continues to deliver 6% to 8% operating EPS growth with a bias to the upper end of guidance each year through 2030. Importantly, we remain focused on maintaining our strong investment-grade credit rating and solid balance sheet metrics as we target an FFO to debt ratio of approximately 15%. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:19:19Let me wrap up on slide 11, and then we'll open the line for questions. DTE continues to consistently deliver for all our stakeholders. Our 2026 guidance reflects 6% to 8% operating EPS growth over our 2025 guidance midpoint, and RNG tax credits give us confidence that we can deliver at the higher end of that range. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:19:40Our five-year plan provides high-quality, long-term, 6%-8% operating EPS growth through increased customer focus utility investments, with utility operating earnings making up 93% of our overall earnings by 2030. We are confident we will reach the high end of our guidance range in each year, driven by RNG tax credits and the flexibility they provide. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:20:04As we have stated, the Google contract and additional data center opportunities provide upside to our five-year plan that will be incorporated after the contracts have been approved by the MPSC. We are well-positioned to execute our plan to improve reliability for our customers and strengthen the communities we serve. We're doing so with a strong focus on affordability, supported by multiple levers to manage customer rates, including the significant benefits that data centers drive for existing customers. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:20:35We remain on track to deliver the premium total shareholder returns our investors expect, supported by a strong balance sheet and disciplined execution of our capital investment plan. With that, I thank you for joining us today, and we can open the line for questions. Operator00:21:01We'll pause for just a moment to compile a Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Shar Pourreza with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Shar PourrezaAnalyst at Wells Fargo00:21:15Hey, guys. Good morning. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:21:17Good morning. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:21:18Hey, Shar. Shar PourrezaAnalyst at Wells Fargo00:21:19Good morning. Morning. Morning. Joi, I know you talked about the Google deal strengthening the 8% and the next deal pushing you beyond 8%. I guess, first on Google and the status of the approvals, I mean, Michigan's been noisy, so I guess how should we think about pushback, given it is a contested case? What's been the feedback so far there, and what clarity would you need to put that into plan? Thanks. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:21:44Well, thanks for the question, Shar. You know, the community is welcoming Google, so that makes this a really positive thing for the state. We are seeing, really, I think, positive comments in media about the Google contract. We feel really good about what was filed. We're expecting to get an order in the September timeframe, September 10th, to be by September 10th. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:22:13At least that's what the contract specifies. If you recall, the commission indicated that they're going to read the order, so there won't be a PFD. That was a positive signal that puts us on track for that approval by September. The community is welcoming. The narrative has been really good on the ground, and we feel good about to secure this contract. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:22:40As we've said all along, that, you know, 3 gigawatts would get us to 8+, and at least this Google contract has the potential to get us to eight. We don't wanna get ahead of the approval process. We're gonna let this play out over the summer and into the early part of the fall and get that approval and keep moving forward. Shar PourrezaAnalyst at Wells Fargo00:22:59Got it. Perfect. That's consistent. Just lastly on the next deal announcement, are you still thinking sometime in that Q3 timeframe, could we sort of see an update of that plan and the CAGR around the EEI timeframe embedding the next deal? I guess, how do we sort of handicap the next deal timing, et cetera? Thanks. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:23:22Yeah. I think we are targeting before the end of the year to have, I've always been consistent about that, having something done before the end of the year. Let me just say that we've got 2 gigawatts of hyperscalers that we're in late stage negotiations. At least one of them has zoning already done, so we feel really good about that, and there's a pathway to zoning for the other. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:23:43The, the conversations are progressing quite well. In terms of the updates that we will provide, as, you know, the contract is solidified, rest assured we'll provide updates. Our approach will be to lay out our 5-year plan, no different than prior years, during our third quarter call and at EEI. Provided that we have any information or we solidify the contract at that time, we would incorporate it. If not, it will show up, sometime thereafter. Shar PourrezaAnalyst at Wells Fargo00:24:13Okay. Perfect. Big congrats, guys. That's very consistent. Thanks so much. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:24:17Thank you. Operator00:24:20Next question comes from the line of Michael Lonegan with Barclays. Please go ahead. Michael LoneganAnalyst at Barclays00:24:26Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Obviously you highlighted you're potentially pausing your next electric rate case filing after the current one, you know, dependent on ramp-up of data center load and approval of regulatory items. Obviously this is dependent on a constructive rate case outcome in the current case. I just wonder if you can share your assumption, you know, for a range of ROE and equity ratio outcomes in the case, you know, for that pause and, you know, also how you're thinking about the IRM mechanism coming out of it. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:25:00Yeah. Thanks for the question. We enter every case with an expectation and belief that we'll get a constructive outcome, and that's what we've included in our planning assumptions. The investments that we have highlighted in the case are all targeted toward the grid, which are necessary, and also to transition to cleaner generation, and that's all underpinned by legislation. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:25:25We feel really good about the case that we put before the commission. The IRM is underpinned by our DSP, which is aligned with the Liberty Audit that was completed in 2024. This was a directive from the commission that we followed through on, we feel very strongly about, you know, what we've put forward and at least a clear understanding of how those investments are going to deliver value for our customers. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:25:53In terms of ROE, what we requested is 10.25%. In terms of equity layer, we typically have included a 51% equity in our filing. We'll let this play out, as we always do, over the course of, you know, the next several months. We'll start to see staff and intervener testimony, and that will give us indications as to whether or not we're aligned with the Commission. We feel good about where we stand today. Michael LoneganAnalyst at Barclays00:26:22Great. Thank you. You know, so you got potential pause in electric, but shifting to gas, you know, after the current pending case, when could we expect you to file the next gas rate case? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:26:37We're gonna let this case play out. We did ask for an increase in the IRM, which was supported by the staff and their testimony, which is a really positive sign. We have some other large investments that we included in this case which were supported as well. This is all, you know, updating our transmission system in the gas business, so that's really positive for us. Once we get the final order, we'll determine the next filing cadence. Michael LoneganAnalyst at Barclays00:27:05Okay. Great. Thank you for taking my question. Operator00:27:10Your next question comes from the line of Julien Dumoulin-Smith with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:27:17Hey, good morning. Can you hear me okay? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:27:19Hey, Julien. Yes. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:27:22Excellent. Well, congratulations to Joi Harris and the team here. Really nicely done. Congrats on the continued success. Maybe just take it up where Michael left it off here. I mean, what is the stayout dependent on? Just to pick it up there. Just in terms of the timing with Google, if it's approved and comes online as planned, how does that impact the electric stay out here? Can you elaborate just a little bit about some of the parameters here as you think about it? Obviously, Oracle's coming online at the end of 2027 here. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:27:50Yeah. Yeah. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:27:50You can talk about the different pieces. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:27:52Sure. The mechanism that we filed essentially takes the, any excess margin above and beyond what we've incorporated in the case and pushes it into a subsequent filing where we will propose how to flow back the benefits to the customers, and that gives us the potential to stay out for multiple cycles. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:28:14If you layer on the Google contract on top of it once it's approved, that could very well give us the opportunity to push out cases even further. That's how we've set it up in the case, Julien, and we are looking forward to getting feedback from the Commission once they've had an opportunity to fully absorb the filing. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:28:34We'll start to see testimony from staff and on the next several months, and we'll have some indication as to whether or not there's good support. Generally, I think all of us are seeing that data centers are going to deliver the affordability benefits as promised, and this is a way for us to showcase it and deliver on the promise that we've made early on. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:28:58Awesome. Excellent. That's what I thought. There could be a little bit of a extension factor there, especially, I suppose, if you get a third too, right? Again, each one would incrementally push out that timeline. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:29:10Yes. Load growth, data center load growth will provide meaningful affordability benefits for our customers. We've said that all along, and this is that projection coming to fruition. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:29:23Yep, exactly. Just not to nitpick, but to come back on the other pieces of the business, if you will, everything else. Just so you're guiding here to flat earnings for Vantage by 2030. How do you think about that if you layer in the data center opportunity? I guess it's another way to just talk about the pieces that go into the 6-8 here. Also separately, how do you think about the Vantage Recycling Avenue here, especially as we talk about Google and potentially a 3rd here? It would seem like that's more ripe now than ever, but I don't want to put words in your mouth. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:29:55Yeah. Vantage has a really strong pipeline of opportunities that we continue to advance. The data center opportunity with Vantage is progressing quite well. We're down to, you know, the short strokes, as I like to call it. Hopefully, we will have an agreement, a full agreement in place over the next several weeks and be able to communicate this more fully to the broader community. It's an exciting opportunity that has the potential to expand even beyond where it is. Just given the technology that we're deploying, it's transferable. Recall this is a Behind the Meter project that is roughly 350 megawatts. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:30:39Since there is such shortage of power across the nation, this could be a very interesting opportunity for other hyperscalers and/or co-locators that are looking to expand their footprint. We've begun some preliminary just examination of where this might fit. For right now, we're focused on the project that we have underway, and this fits nicely into the plan that we've already established. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:31:08As for Vantage and recycle opportunities, as always, we look at Vantage and examine Vantage every year. This business has served us well for over 20 years. That's not to say, though, that we're not always looking to create more shareholder value. We'll examine for rotation opportunities along the way and provide you updates if anything materializes, but there's nothing imminent. Julien Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst at Jefferies00:31:36Thank you, Joi. Appreciate it. We'll talk soon. All the very best. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:31:39All right. Take care. Operator00:31:43Your next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:31:49Hi, good morning. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:31:51Hey, Jeremy. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:31:53Hey, thanks for the details so far. Just looking to build a little bit more, if we could. For the Oracle and Google data centers, how would you frame the ramp in sales growth as these projects come online? You know, how should we think about that over time at this point? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:32:13Well, the ramp for Oracle in 2026 is relatively small, but it shoots up exponentially beyond 2026. They get to their full ramp over the next couple of years. Same thing with Google. Google will start out relatively small and then, expand to 1 gigawatt by 2028. That's how the data centers are looking to ramp over the next couple of years. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:32:40Got it. I guess to refine that a bit more, how do you think that compares to a minimum contracted level? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:32:50How does it compare to minimum contracted levels? Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:32:53Do you think there's the potential for a faster ramp than maybe where demand charges stand? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:32:58Oh, I see. I think what the contract and which is why we've included this mechanism, the contract allows for some flexibility. We won't fully know until the facility is constructed. Of what I can tell you is construction is progressing as planned. There's no indication that there is a slowdown of any sort. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:33:19We intend to see Oracle attached to the grid by the end of this year and then begin to take electrons off the grid thereafter. In terms of their minimum billing demand, as they are ramping, it's aligned with their load ramp. Depending on the scale of their load ramp, and we have not published that, I don't think we've made that public for obvious reasons. Suffice it to say, so long as they stay on schedule, we see that they will be on a fast ramp. If there is any delay, and they have that option to delay for 1 year, then the mechanism that we're proposing covers it. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:34:05Got it. That's very helpful there. Thanks. Just wanted to turn to customer benefits, if you could, and your approaches to the $300 million annual and $1.7 billion overall customer benefits from Oracle and Google contracts. Just wondering, you know, how those contracts compare, if there's any differences to think about there. Really just, you know, how do you think about future deals here, bringing similar scope of benefits, or just what are you looking for in the future? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:34:32The Oracle contract, because we did not have to construct anything substantial, we are only building battery storage to support the load, and they're covering the full revenue requirement for that battery storage. You've got a pretty significant affordability benefit. We do have to make some additional baseload additions to our fleet to cover off Google, and that will be identified in our IRP. The affordability benefit, while sizable, is a little less than what you see in the Oracle contract for obvious reasons. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:35:18Got it. How does this, I guess, inform what you're looking for in any potential future agreements, I guess, as far as what the, you know, the size or scale of benefits could shape up to be? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:35:30Any deal that we arrive at has to provide affordability benefits for our customers. There, that is a requirement of the law. Our desire is to maximize that at every opportunity. It's gonna be dependent upon the size and scale of the hyperscaler, the resources that we have to bring online to support them, and their ability to flex their load over time, and that will dictate how much affordability savings that will flow to our customers. Jeremy TonetAnalyst at JPMorgan00:36:03Understood. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Operator00:36:08Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Richard Sunderland with Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Richard SunderlandAnalyst at Truist Securities00:36:16Hey, good morning. Thanks for the time today. You know, just wanted to circle back to some of the rate case discussion, maybe just to put a finer point on the IRM side. Do you need an IRM outcome consistent when you're asked for the stay out, or is it really around this newly proposed mechanism you've been discussing that's, I guess, key for staying out? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:36:37Yeah, it's around the mechanism that we're proposing. I can tell you the IRM, we're looking to grow it to $800 million by 2029, and we have approval for 2026 and 2027 already. We feel really good about the IRM potential. We've aligned it to the DSP as requested by the commission, the DSP is in firm alignment with the Liberty Audit that was performed in 2024. Richard SunderlandAnalyst at Truist Securities00:37:08Got it. That's, that's very helpful. And then, you know, there's certainly a lot of attention around the state and kind of the data center dynamic on the local level. It sounds like for you, there's, you know, really a lot of continued interest. But trying to understand if you've seen any shifting in sort of your conversations and how the projects are approaching it on their side. And then I guess while we're on zoning, for that Oracle site, is there expansion potential there without additional zoning required? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:37:39I'll answer your last question first. I think Oracle is taking up a portion of the footprint, so there is some expansion potential there. As for what we're seeing on the ground, the hyperscalers and co-locators have all engaged more fully with local government and local communities. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:38:01When they do that, we see that there is more acceptance and more willingness to allow those types of companies to take up locations in those communities. Case in point, Van Buren Township, and there are others. We are feeling really good about the hyperscalers and co-locators in our pipeline. Many of them have zoning or have a pathway to zoning, and they are progressing quite nicely through our pipeline because of it. Richard SunderlandAnalyst at Truist Securities00:38:39Great. Thank you so much. Operator00:38:43Your next question comes from the line of Bill Pisciotti with UBS. Please go ahead. Bill PisciottiAnalyst at UBS00:38:50Hi, good morning. I just wanted to ask about the financing, excuse me, around the incremental $5 billion that you outlined here that the Google contract could drive. I mean, how should we think about that? Could you just remind us on, you know, how you would finance that and, you know, maybe back to the earlier question on capital recycling, would that, you know, pull forward some urgency or need for that? David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:39:17Hi, Bill. This is David Ruud. The incremental capital that would come into the plan would be partially funded with equity. We think about 40% equity on average, depending on the timing of the cash flows. We'll also use converts and hybrids to support our balance sheet as we execute those investments. You're right. Before, we weren't, we didn't have a need for equity. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:39:42It does make us think about, you know, are there other opportunities and ways that we can maximize value across the company by finding some asset recycling that could help? Nothing, obviously nothing imminent there. Right now we just assume some more traditional funding. Bill PisciottiAnalyst at UBS00:40:01Okay. As far as future deals, I mean, is your view to run everything through the utility and under these contracts? Would there be any desire to look to do something bilateral directly with, you know, with hyperscalers as opposed to running it through the utility model? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:40:20Yeah, our focus is on growing our two utilities. We're gonna continue to leverage the vast assets that we have in the electric companies to serve this load and future loads. Bill PisciottiAnalyst at UBS00:40:33Okay. Just lastly, on RNG, is there anything market conditions-wise there we should focus on, or should we just assume that you're going to be able to fully maximize the earnings potential there at RNG on the tax credits? David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:40:48Yeah, we have what we think are conservative assumptions in our forecast for the year at $50 million-$60 million. We are seeing now the DOE and the DOEs and the Treasury are working through the rules right now. We think what we have is a conservative assumption right now. We're producing at a high level. You know, we feel like we have a good assumption there for our RNG. Bill PisciottiAnalyst at UBS00:41:18Okay. Is there a potential for a modest upside to that, or is that just basically likely within that range? David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:41:25We did see some upside last year because we started with some conservative assumptions, but we're waiting to see how these rules play out before we would do anything for this year. Bill PisciottiAnalyst at UBS00:41:35Okay. All right. Thanks very much. Operator00:41:39Your next question comes from the line of Michael Sullivan with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Michael SullivanAnalyst at Wolfe Research00:41:45Hey, good morning. Maybe just. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:41:48Good morning. Michael SullivanAnalyst at Wolfe Research00:41:49Hey, Joi. Hey, David. Just following on Bill's question there. I know each deal may look different in terms of resource mix, but the $5 billion of CapEx for the 1 gigawatt Google deal, is that like a decent rule of thumb for future deals? The 2 gigawatts in late-stage negotiations, is that basically two customers of similar size? Would that be a fair assumption as well? David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:42:21I'd say, Michael, on your first question, all these deals are pretty bespoke in what they're gonna be providing as far as capital and when that will flow in. You know, The Google one has a lot of renewables and storage as well as some base loads. You know, I would say they'll all be somewhat bespoke in how they'll come in over time. Then, and your second question, as far as new deals, there's an assortment of sizes in what we're looking at, but there are some that are among that scale of what we're seeing with Google One, too. Michael SullivanAnalyst at Wolfe Research00:42:55Okay. That's, that's helpful. Yeah, David Ruud, just sticking with you, like any more color you can provide on just the trading print for the quarter. I know you pointed to kinda some timing reversals, looking to still hit the high end of the segment for the year, I think it's been a little bit since we've seen like a negative quarter just in absolute terms. Just any more color on the dynamic there will be helpful. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:43:23Yeah. The shaping that we saw in the Q1 was contemplated in our guidance that we gave in February. As you said, we do remain confident in the full year guidance and hitting the high end because we have these hedged and contracted revenues that are gonna play out for us. We did experience similar shaping in 2023 and 2024, so we expected it. David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:43:44Additionally, some of the impact we saw in the first quarter was timing, and we know that that's gonna flow back through us through the year through some contracted position. We do remain highly confident that we're gonna hit the high end of our full year guidance to energy trading this year. Michael SullivanAnalyst at Wolfe Research00:44:01Okay. Then just in the spirit of like some of the asset rotation questions, any thoughts as to whether this still remains like a core business, or could it be monetized at all? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:44:14Yes. Trading is a part of our core business. Again, every year we look at, you know, the non-utility businesses, and we examine whether there's additional shareholder value that we can realize. We'll continue to examine that. For now, trading is part of the DTE company, part of the DTE family, and will remain so. Michael SullivanAnalyst at Wolfe Research00:44:39Okay, great. Thank you both very much. Operator00:44:42Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Weisel with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:44:56Hello? Operator00:44:59Hey, Andrew. Your line is open. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:45:03Hi. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:45:03Good morning, everyone. Can you hear me now? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:45:05Yes, we can. Hi, Andrew. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:45:08Hi. Sorry about that. Thank you for all the details, appreciate all the insights on a strong update. First question on the data centers. I appreciate the credit protections that you have in place and all the specifics in the prepared remarks. My question is, can you remind us of the concentration from these customers first? They're obviously gonna represent a major portion of your sales volumes and revenues. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:45:30I wanna say it's 40% of the total is in my mind. Is that figure right? My real question is, do you have different requirements for different customers based on credit risk profiles? You know, would you have different protections in place or different credit or collateral requirements for Oracle versus Google and Alphabet? What about hyperscalers that might be less high profile? Would you treat those customers differently? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:45:56So the credit protections differ based on the strength of the counterparty. We examine them each separately and determine what credit protections are necessary. You are correct. Yes, the concentration will be roughly 40% once they arrive at their full ramp. As we get more data centers online, we will examine their position, we'll examine the assets that we have to build on their behalf, we will establish the appropriate credit protections that will insulate our customers from stranded assets and also rate shock. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:46:35Okay. Could you comment, Oracle specifically versus Google and Alphabet? Are those two being treated the same or differently? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:46:44I can't comment on that. That is commercial information that we have not made publicly available. Suffice it to say, we treat them accordingly. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:46:56Okay. Understood. That's fair enough. Second question, in terms of the storms, certainly impressive results in terms of the data and outage restoration and results. Well done on that. Very impressive. My question is, given the history of negative feedback on reliability, what kind of responses are you getting from key stakeholders like regulators, the staff, local community leaders, politicians? Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:47:19On the cost side, to get those results, were these storms more expensive than what you've historically spent in terms of pre-staging and execution? Is it more like you're being rewarded for the grid investments you've been making over the past few years? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:47:35I'll answer your last question first. These storms are not more expensive than prior years. As you heard in my opening comments, a similar storm actually that was less severe resulted in 750,000 customers out. This storm this year with 70 mile an hour winds, we only saw 300,000 customers out, and we were able to get everybody back on within 48 hours. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:48:02That we are measuring at the circuit level how each circuit is performing under duress. We can say definitively that these investments are in fact working. Where we've made the investments, the grid is holding up quite nicely to really extreme conditions. Your first question was around how stakeholders are responding. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:48:26I would just point you to the commission and their comments on the Behind the Meter podcast, where they're pointing to the improvements that are made in the grid and how DTE is performing as a result of the investments and the work that we've done to improve our processes. We're hearing from our customers and other stakeholders that things have improved. It's noticeable, but clearly there's more work to be done. Andrew WeiselAnalyst at Scotiabank00:48:54Very good. Thank you so much. Operator00:48:58Your next question comes from the line of Paul Fremont with Ladenburg. Please go ahead. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:49:06Thank you very much, and congratulations. My first question is, how much of the $5 billion of Google investment would you expect would fall into your current five year capital spending plan? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:49:26Yeah. Paul, thanks for the question. You could assume that some of the renewables, some of the storage, would fall into the five year, and then we would begin to ramp the base load generation toward the back end of the five year and then it would carry beyond the five year time horizon. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:49:47Right. I would expect then that the 700 megawatt gas plant that'll show up in the IRP would be mostly, if not completely, beyond sort of the forecasting period. Is that fair? David RuudEVP and CFO at DTE Energy00:50:01Well, actually, a lot of that comes in ahead of time as we're preparing the site and making some of the, some of the purchases we have to make too. I think it'll straddle the five year and then a little bit beyond it. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:50:14Great. Then when would you update your capital spending plan to include Google? Are you waiting for regulatory approval? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:50:25Yes Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:50:25... or, Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:50:28Yeah. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:50:28I'm sorry, what? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:50:29Yes. That would be the timing that we would likely update our plan, and we're expecting to get an order early in September. By the time we are with you all at EEI, we would likely be in the position to talk to you about exactly when that $5 billion shows up and in what years. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:50:47Got it. Perfect. Last question from me, can you maybe update us a little bit about the governor's race and what so far any of the candidates have commented with respect to either affordability or with respect to their positions on data centers? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:51:08Yes, the field is forming. There are really four candidates now. The Republicans, there's a neck and neck race between John James and Perry Johnson here in the States. We've got one Democrat in Jocelyn Benson and an independent in Mike Duggan. We have been sharing our story around affordability, which is a good one. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:51:31We've showcased our bill growth on an absolute basis, being in top decile at 5% compared to the national average, which is roughly 26%. We've talked to them about share of wallet and where we stand relative to the nation. We're at 1.8%, balance of the country is at 2%. We had our best reliability performance in 20 years and a really strong performance in the first quarter, as I mentioned in my opening remarks. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:52:01We've talked to them about the affordability benefits that data centers offer to our customers and how we intend to flow those back. Case in point, our most recent filing. The messages have been well-received. I had just recently spoke with John James, and we'll have some follow-up discussions. I've had conversations with Jocelyn Benson and also with Mike Duggan. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:52:22Generally, all support data centers. They like the load growth and the opportunities it presents for our customers in terms of affordability benefits. We're also focused on economic development and how we can continue to bring more growth to the state. This has been a really constructive introduction, and we're gonna continue those conversations as the race unfolds. Paul FremontAnalyst at Ladenburg Thalmann00:52:46Great. That's it for me. Thank you. Operator00:52:50Your next question comes from the line of Anthony Crowdell with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Anthony CrowdellAnalyst at Mizuho00:52:59Follow-up to an earlier question on Vantage. Obviously, we read a lot in the papers about this bring your own generation interest with hyperscalers, especially in the RTO regions. Any interest in Vantage looking at opportunity in whether it's PJM or other parts of the country? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:53:17Hey, Anthony. Yeah, like I said, we gotta get this one first deal under our belt. It is proving to be a very interesting vertical. We are seeing just the application, certainly capable of serving other hyperscalers and or co-locators in other jurisdictions. While we are hyper-focused on closing out this first deal, we're scanning the environment to see if there's potential elsewhere. The counterparty that we're dealing with has interest beyond this first location that they're working on. It could be a very interesting vertical, like I've mentioned before. Anthony CrowdellAnalyst at Mizuho00:54:00Great. Just the last one. The 1 gigawatt for Google, you know, expect to be fully ramped by the end of 2028. What infrastructure does DTE need to, you know, put in or build to reach their full ramp by 2028? I'm just trying to think of what needs to be on the DTE side to get to the full ramp. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:54:17Yeah. To get to their full ramp, we're gonna build likely renewables, battery storage. Remember, they've also incorporated a demand response in the contract. Those assets, to serve them at least near term, we'll fold those into our five-year update. Of course, once we solidify our IRP, then we will begin to fold in the build-out of base load generation even further. Anthony CrowdellAnalyst at Mizuho00:54:46That's all I had. Thanks so much. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:54:48Thanks, Anthony. Operator00:54:50Your last question comes from the line of Durgesh Singh from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Durgesh SinghAnalyst at Bank of America00:54:57Good morning, guys. I just had a question on, you know, the mechanism you're talking about. Obviously, you know, you're talking about being able to capture the excess margin. Is there a precedent for this in at the MPSC, maybe in a different customer class? I guess what triggers that mechanism? Also just, is it just the rate case that needs to be approved, or is there any other, you know, regulatory approvals that it needs to go through? Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:55:25I'll answer your last question first. Yes, there will be some additional regulatory approvals. The mechanism will be punted, if you will, to a separate filing, and dispositioned accordingly. Is there a precedent? I'd say yes. We did something very similar during the COVID years when we saw increased residential load. We were able to pass those savings on to customers to defray, to keep us out of rate cases, but also to defray the cost of us doing true term. Durgesh SinghAnalyst at Bank of America00:55:57Okay, that makes sense. Then, just secondary question, you know, more on, as you kind of go down this 5 to 6 gigawatt pipeline, and you're thinking that you kinda need more capital intensive, you know, base load power, how do you see the economics and the contract structures changing? You know, is it more demand response from the customers, or is it, you know, a higher contract cost? Just love to hear more about that. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:56:24It could be demand response, but like I said, these are all bespoke agreements. It's gonna be a function of the size and the interest that the hyperscaler has in particular assets, and then obviously, where they choose to locate. We are keeping all options open and certainly, very interested in solidifying a deal before the end of the year. Durgesh SinghAnalyst at Bank of America00:56:48All right. Thank you so much. Operator00:56:52We have no further questions. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:56:56Well, thank you. Operator00:56:56Yes. Joi HarrisPresident and CEO at DTE Energy00:56:57Thank you, everyone. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. I'll just close out by saying we are off to a great start in 2026. We remain well-positioned to achieve our goals for the year. I'm very excited about our long-term plan and the opportunities ahead. I look forward to seeing many of you on the road throughout the years. Have a great morning. Stay healthy and stay safe. Thank you again. Operator00:57:23Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. 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