NASDAQ:DFDV DeFi Development Q1 2026 Earnings Report $5.25 -0.12 (-2.23%) Closing price 10/2/2026 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$5.41 +0.16 (+3.03%) As of 10/2/2026 07:58 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast DeFi Development EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.37Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ADeFi Development Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$2.66 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ADeFi Development Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2026Date5/19/2026TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, May 14, 2026Conference Call Time8:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by DeFi Development Q1 2026 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 14, 2026ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Management said its core mission remains unchanged: to hold and grow SOL, with SOL per share (SPS) still the main KPI. They emphasized that validator activity, partnerships, and on-chain treasury deployment are all intended to accelerate SOL accumulation. Neutral Sentiment: The company said it has well over two years of runway at current SOL prices and staking revenue, and it believes runway remains comfortable even if SOL falls 50%. Management also said it is focused on reducing operating expenses while making selective high-conviction investments. Positive Sentiment: Management highlighted its “experiment” strategy as a way to create asymmetric upside with limited downside, pointing to examples like ZeroStack and ApeX. They said these efforts are designed to improve SOL per share and can also enhance the company’s cost of capital. Positive Sentiment: The team pointed to several Solana ecosystem initiatives, including partnerships with Jupiter Lend, Allied Architects in Japan, and progress on DFDV UK. They said the Treasury Accelerator program is meant to create long-term international exposure to Solana and generate future SOL per share benefits. Positive Sentiment: Management reiterated a constructive view on Solana’s long-term adoption, citing stablecoin growth, agentic AI payments, RWA tokenization, and the upcoming Alpenglow upgrade as major catalysts. They also said Solana remains a strong liquidity and technology leader, with 94% of tokenized equity spot volume reportedly settling on the network. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallDeFi Development Q1 202600:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:00:00Welcome to DeFi Development Corp.'s Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. I'm Dan Kang, Chief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations. Joining me today are Joseph Onorati, Chief Executive Officer, John Han, our Chief Financial Officer, and Parker White, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Investment Officer. As a reminder, we will be making forward-looking statements during this call. Actual results may differ materially due to risks and uncertainties which are outlined in our filings with the SEC, including our Form 10-K. Our latest shareholder letter was published yesterday, May 13th, after market close, and is available on our website. We will begin today by answering questions submitted by retail investors, followed by questions from the sell side. Joseph, Parker, John, thank you for joining us. John HanCFO at DeFi Development Corp00:00:45Happy to be here. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:00:48Our first question is from retail. "I invested in DeFi Development Corp. because of this mission statement, quote, 'DeFi Development Corporation is a public company whose core strategy is to hold and grow a large reserve of Solana, SOL.' Can you tell me if this is still your core mission?" Joseph? Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:01:10Yes. The purpose of the company is to offer investors with leveraged Solana exposure. We see some other DATs in the space trying to move away from being a DAT. That's not us. We're leaning into it. If you read our investor letter and walked away thinking that we've taken our eye off the ball, then we haven't communicated well. The reason we dove into experimentation in the letter is because we wanted shareholders to understand that everything, we do, from running validators to partnerships we make, on chain deployment of the treasury, the Treasury Accelerator program, even ApeX, is ultimately meant to amplify SOL accumulation. These aren't at odds with stacking more SOL. If anything, they provide a differentiated avenue for accumulation that no other DAT's pursuing. Our mission's still the same: grow SPS as fast as possible. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:02:10At the end of the day, SPS, or SOL per share, is still the only number we measure ourselves against. 108% trailing 12 months of growth is great, but it's just a start, and we think we have plenty of SPS growth ahead of us. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:02:28All right. Thanks, Joseph. Next question, "At current SOL levels and staking revenue, will DFDV sustain two years of runway? How concerned should we be of the OPEX and the debt service if SOL drops to, say, $60 or $40? Will the staking revenue keep the lights on to survive?" John, you wanna take this? John HanCFO at DeFi Development Corp00:02:47Yeah, sure, happy to. That's an excellent question and an important question, and it's one that's front and center for the entire DFDV team. You know, all of us have lived through multiple bear and bull cycles, especially in crypto, so we treat runway, capital allocation, and sustainability as core priorities. We are confident that we have the funds to sustain operations for well over two years at current Solana prices and with the staking revenue. We run detailed periodic runway models specifically for these various scenarios, both for our internal purposes as well as for our auditors. We are laser-focused on reducing OPEX wherever possible to drive greater Solana per share growth, so like Joseph just mentioned, our key KPI there. John HanCFO at DeFi Development Corp00:03:39As we discussed in our shareholder letter, we do make selective high-conviction bets on opportunities where we believe we can create meaningful value for our shareholders. Many of those bets obviously do incur one-time costs. You know, these are bets, but obviously they have costs. That service, on the other hand, remains very manageable, and we maintain a very comfortable runway even if Solana prices were to fall 50% from here. That said, even if that did happen, we wouldn't expect, you know, such weakness to happen to sustain very long. We remain very bullish on Solana long-term. Thank you. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:04:23Thanks, John. Next question, "DFDV succeeds if Solana succeeds. What are you doing to incubate, accelerate, and proliferate the expansion and adoption of SOL?" Parker, you wanna take that? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:04:38Sure. I think this kind of comes down to two primary areas. The first one is effectively marketing or storytelling, right? We continue to talk to investors, and they understand Bitcoin primarily because of Michael Saylor. We want to be, in our own way, the Michael Saylor for Solana, telling that story, being the evangelist. That's something that we've tried to do. We've put out a number of pieces, long-form pieces, short-form pieces, via our Twitter, our blog, some of the recordings that we host. Lots of different avenues there. We continue to do more of that going forward. The other area is through ecosystem development. We've, you know, historically done partners with all the major players across the ecosystem. We plan to continue to support that kind of initiative over time. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:05:38As new entrants come to market, we'll do additional partnerships to help bring focus and a spotlight to those projects. We may use risk-managed portions of our balance sheet to help grow liquidity on some of these platforms and ultimately create an environment that others want to participate in because, you know, a regulated public entity is involved on chain. It's ultimately the marketing and the capital deployment, and we plan to continue doing both to help support the ecosystem growth. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:06:16All right. Thanks, Parker. Next question. In addition to the recent rise of Solana's price, what other activities and/or investments have been made in the Solana ecosystem more broadly, and what positive news can you tell us about them which are actually adding value to the company? Parker, you wanna take that? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:06:35Sure. On our side, you know, we recently announced a partnership with Jupiter Lend that was a month or two ago. We are working on some additional partnerships. We announced a partnership with Allied Architects in Japan as part of our kind of Treasury Accelerator program. We continue to make progress on DFDV UK. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:07:07These are a few of the initiatives that we're working on to both directly and indirectly, you know, help grow value for the Solana ecosystem and accrue some of that value back to DFDV. Additionally, and more broadly speaking, there've been a number of positive developments on the Solana front. You saw the recent announcement about Google and the payments API there. We're continuing to see more and more activity on the Solana side, both with RWAs and tokenized assets and other large institutions getting involved in the ecosystem. I think we're gonna talk more about that in a little bit, but I think that's also germane here. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:07:54All right. Thanks, Parker. Next question. Is ApeX related to DFDV or Sol? As I understand, it's only tied to Bitcoin. Do you expect the release of the governance token to be a catalyst for both DFDV and Sol? Joseph, you wanna take this one? Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:08:13Yeah, sure. We won't comment on the release of a governance token for for ApeX. As outlined in the shareholder letter, we think ApeX meaningfully improves the cost of capital for a preferred equity fundraise for DFDV. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:08:35All right. Thanks, Joseph. Let's turn to some sell side questions. This question is, at Needham, DK, you discussed experimentation as a core part of DFDV's playbook. How should we think about the budget for experimentation going forward? Is there a hard cap as a percent of treasury or balance sheet, or is it more opportunistic? When an experiment doesn't work, at what point do you decide to cut it versus give it more time? I'll take this, guys. It's a good question. I'll start with, I guess, the budget or call it, like, capital allocation framework. There's definitely a waterfall of priorities, and any investment we make has to clear the bar of basically the ROI on buying Sol right here, right now. Especially since we think Sol is eventually going to 10K. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:09:26It's why we've made the, what I would call, what we outlined in our letter, the asymmetric bets that we have. In each scenario, we model the upside, the downside, and in each of the scenarios that we outlined in the letter, the downside was fairly de minimis, but we believe the opportunities were magnitudes greater than the upfront cost or cash or SOL investment. ZeroStack Corp. is actually a great example. You know, had that SOL sat there on our balance sheet, we would have earned the staking rewards and, of course, generated a return equal to the SOL price action over the last, call it, like, eight months or so. Because of the way we structured this deal, we got a return well above our investment, got the staking rewards back as well. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:10:08The economic cost to DFDV was effectively zero. You know, I think there are numerous examples of this kind of playbook really paying dividends to us. ApeX is another fantastic example of us bringing a $400 million project to life in terms of TVL in just a matter of weeks, with again, a fraction of the balance sheet committed upfront. These are a few examples. Again, we're gonna try to be as transparent as possible with shareholders with respect to both our wins and our losses on experimentation. Again, all of it is geared towards driving SOL per share growth in some capacity. All right. Next question. Can you give us a sense, one year later, of Bonk's actual SOL per share contribution? Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:10:56What kind of Sol per share growth would have occurred had you not announced this partnership? I'll take this once again, guys. Difficult to quantify. Shareholders can see how our equity reacted post-announcement. I really think the attention and volume that that partnership drove was most key. Got us on the radar for crypto native investors, showcased our knowledge of not just crypto, but its culture as well. It literally tripled our average daily volume in the ensuing weeks, right? It's difficult to pinpoint an exact Sol per share number, let's call it, like, pro forma for that. I think investors can do some back of the envelope math on the impact just looking at, you know, what happened to DFDV equity in the ensuing days and weeks following that announcement. All right. Next question. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:11:51The letter mentions you intend to keep experimenting and that some bets won't work. How are you thinking about the threshold for disclosure? Will we hear about every miss the size of Bonk or only the ones above a certain materiality threshold? Joseph, you wanna take that? Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:12:06Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think the materiality threshold is just a legal question. We check with our lawyers if something's material. If it's material, we disclose it. If it's not and we think it's, you know, accretive to the business, then we'll disclose it. We put Bonk down as an example miss because it was very public, but it wasn't very expensive to launch the token actually. From a pure dollar cost perspective, it was just a legal cost, and then outside the dollar cost it was, you know, the team's time to, you know, get it out there. The upside potential, you know, when we modeled it, you know, was significant. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:12:59So, even if the company never intended to sell any, the potential benefit to the business was, in our view, massive in comparison to the cost, and that goes to the point on asymmetric bets that DK's mentioned a couple of times now. Also, I guess, reflecting a little more on threshold for disclosure and what counts as a, like a win or a loss, you know, on a bet and whether to disclose it or not, Maybe this answer is not very direct, but quantifying some of these misses might not be straightforward. For example, in the Bonk validator partnership, if it hadn't moved the stock price, would it have been a miss? I doubt it. I mean, setting up the validator was relatively low cost. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:14:04You know, we probably actually generated revenue on the partnership. Not much, but some. You know, even if the stock price didn't move, I don't know if that one would be a failure. Maybe over-musing there. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:14:22Cool. Thanks, Joseph. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:14:25Thank you. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:14:25Next question. Thanks for the framing around Treasury Accelerator. Can you walk through some of the key milestones you're looking for on Allied Architects and DFDV UK, and when we might see the SOL per share contribution? Is this a next six months or next three-four years kind of thing? Parker, you wanna take that? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:14:45Yeah, it's a good question. I think it's a little bit of both. On a unrealized basis, you may see an impact in the next six months, but the intention for us is not to, you know, wrap up these deals in six months, sell all the stock, get out, right? The intention is for these to be long-term partnerships and growth opportunities for us. We think that every major capital market in the world should have exposure to enhanced Solana as DFDV provides in the U.S. That also may take some slightly different flavors in each market, but ultimately, we're here for the long term with these partners. I think you may start to see some benefit in the short term, but I think it will be tough to evaluate the full success on any month-denominated basis. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:15:43It'll likely be, you know, many, many years, who knows, maybe a decade before we fully understand the totality of the impact here. We're playing for the long term. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:15:55Thanks. I'd like to add to that. The way I think about these deals, for the Treasury Accelerator is in a bear market or a flat market, you know, we're not gonna see a lot of, you know, significant SOL per share growth at the DFDV side for these relationships. In a bull market when, there's, you know, demand for SOL's ripping, because of these partnerships, we're able to offer additional leveraged exposure to Solana. To maybe tighten it up, I think these deals, have potential for outsized, upside with, you know, limited or no, downside. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:16:53Awesome. Thanks, guys. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:16:53And I think- Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:16:54Sorry, Parker. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:16:55Expanding that, on that a little bit further, doing some back and forth, the way I think about all of our experimentation is accumulating call options. I think in this case we now have, you know, a call option on Solana DATs in Japan, for example, or Solana DATs in the U.K. If we can acquire these call options for fairly minimal cost, of course, call options aren't great in sideways markets, but or down markets, but in up markets, they have levered upside payoff. That's essentially how we look at the Treasury Accelerator program and also kind of most of our bets in general. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:17:42Awesome. Thanks, guys. One more on Treasury Accelerator, specifically as relates to Allied Architects. You mentioned Allied Architects has limited operating commitments. How should we think about what limited means in practice? Is there a potential asset management agreement coming, and would that change the economics of the deal materially? Parker, you wanna take that? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:18:05Sure. Today there's no operating agreement in place. We don't have, you know, operating commitments that would create ongoing costs. I can't discuss any future asset management agreements that may be implemented. However, of course, if we were to sign on for additional costs, that would come with commensurate additional, you know, revenue and upside there. I'll leave it at that. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:18:36Thanks, Parker. All right, next question. Would you consider running your ATM or selling SOL to repurchase any convertible debt? Is this philosophy around convertible debt repurchase similar to the MSTR playbook, or are there different ways you're thinking about convert retirement? Are converts completely off the table as a future funding source? Parker? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:19:02Sure. Ultimately, we want to maintain our flexibility. This is a very dynamic space. MicroStrategy has not been around for that long, and they've changed the playbook several times already. You know, just recently Saylor starting to discuss potentially selling some Bitcoin. I don't wanna paint ourselves into a corner by saying we will never do something or we will always do something. You know, we evaluate these opportunities as they come along and look at the economics. You know, maybe an example. If the convert was trading at $0.05, this is you know, hyperbole. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:19:42If the convert was trading at $0.05 and we could retire all of our debt for $6 million, yeah, maybe we'd sell a little bit of SOL, if it was, you know, trading at $100 a coin to retire all of our debt. Again, hyperbole, but, you know, we kind of look at all the opportunities as they present themselves and as the market creates opportunities. If we feel that something is, you know, mispriced, we may, you know, take advantage of that. We do really prefer not to sell SOL to buy back debt. You know, there may be some situations where it makes sense on a SOL per share growth perspective, 'cause these are convertible notes, so when there's a buyback, it also does retire that future conversion. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:20:35You know, this is not the base case. This is more of an exception. I'll kind of close out with that and just, you know, really highlight that optionality that we wanna maintain because, you know, this is such a changing environment and, all of these things, our common stock, SOL, convertible debt, everything else has a market price, and those are always in flux. Saying we will or won't do something today, is, you know, tough to predict for the future. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:21:07Awesome. Thanks, Parker. Next question. Your leverage ratios are high given the pullback in SOL price. As you simplify the capital stack and lean into different issuances like preferred equity, what's the target leverage profile we should model, and how does that change in a downside SOL scenario? Parker, you wanna take that? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:21:29Sure. Our long-term leverage target, we do want to target somewhere around 30%. Now, of course, that's going to move around quite a bit as the price of SOL moves, and we really don't want to effectively be forced rebalancers to that 30% target, because that would require us to lever up in bull markets and de-lever in bear markets, which is the exact opposite of, you know, what you want to do for long-term SPS growth. Again, we kind of have this long-term target, and this should, you know, roughly be maintained in, I would call it, the midpoint, if you will, of market environments. In the overly bullish environments, you would expect our leverage ratio to decline, and in the overly bearish markets, you would expect our leverage ratio to increase. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:22:32That may be slightly due to, you know, our own actions, but largely it's gonna be due to the market. If, you know, the value of the balance sheet gets cut in half because SOL has a 50% pullback, well, the leverage ratio doubles without us doing anything directly there to contribute to that. We do want to, you know, target a prudent level of leverage, maintain some cash reserves to cover coupon payments or, you know, dividend payments on preferreds, that kind of thing. There may be opportunities to slightly add some leverage in a bear market and slightly de-lever in a bull market. Generally speaking, we want to, you know, maintain that rough 30% target and allow the market to kind of change our leverage ratio for us. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:23:26Awesome. All right. Next question comes from George over at Craig-Hallum. Could you give us your updated thoughts on the key use cases for SOL, particularly any recent wins that embolden your conviction in the asset? Parker, you wanna take this? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:23:42Sure. There's a lot of things here. You know, interestingly enough, with the team launching a project on Ethereum, it's actually crystallized our bullishness on Solana from both a technology perspective and candidly, a liquidity perspective. If you look across the Ethereum ecosystem outside of Ethereum, Layer one or the base layer, SOL is a clear second place on liquidity. None of the L2s on the Ethereum side really come close. There's some activity on, say, Hyperliquid, but Solana has a dominant number two position on the liquidity front, and on a technology front, Solana is a very clear win-winner. It's much easier to launch projects, to manage projects. It's just a better UX on Solana all around. A few key themes that we're watching on the Solana front that are really exciting. First one is stablecoin growth. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:24:51We're seeing pretty meaningful growth on that front. Not just in TVL numbers and transaction volume numbers, which on the transaction volume side outpace all other chains. The types of entities getting involved are pretty spectacular. We saw quite a while back, Western Union, but there's a number of other large entities that are issuing stablecoins, sometimes first and foremost and even only on Solana. I think you're gonna see that continue to happen. You know, people in DeFi like to look at the total stables, TVL of, you know, $300 billion and say, "Wow, that's so big." In the grand scheme of, you know, global credit markets or global money markets, it's tiny. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:25:46I think, as, you know, global stables TVL grows to, let's call it $3 trillion, $5 trillion, $10 trillion, the $300 billion that we're at today is a drop in the bucket, and I think Solana is best positioned to capture the lion's share of that big, let's say $10 trillion TAM for money on-chain. A key reason for that is agentic AI and the X402 standard. What we're seeing is the number of machine-generated payments and payments using X402 on Solana outpacing all other chains. That's just because it's just easier to send money on Solana. It's cheaper to send money on Solana. Machines can pay, I like to say token for tokens on the agentic AI side. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:26:44You know, agents can pay for LLM tokens with, you know, crypto tokens, with stablecoins. It still makes economic sense to send those small amounts. They settle instantly. You know, there's no permission required for an AI to have a wallet to, you know, send assets around. Another really big unlock that we're excited about is the Alpenglow upgrade. The key change here is gonna be finality times, bringing finality down to about 100 ms to 150 ms. Just last week, I believe it was, there were some tests that show that it's actually working. Gearing up for the mainnet release, hopefully here in Q3. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:27:35I think that'll be a real stepwise improvement because what that does is it moves Solana out of the realm of competing with other Web3 platforms and saying, "Well, Solana's the best, you know, blockchain." It's like, "Yeah, but blockchains are all kinda slow." Actually, what it does is it brings Solana on par with Web2 platforms. Now you might say, "Well, I could run my application using, say, an RDS instance on AWS, or I could run my application using the Solana blockchain," and they actually have about the same speed. In fact, the Solana blockchain in some cases may be faster. All of the Web2 applications that we're used to, snappy apps, immediate, you know, page transitions and button clicks just working, that all is coming to Solana. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:28:28It's already great, but there's that kinda last little improvement that I think surprisingly actually is a stepwise function. This also opens up a whole host of additional applications on-chain. The one that everyone likes to talk about is, of course, on-chain perpetual swaps, something like a Hyperliquid, but on Solana. Because now it becomes, you know, Solana will start to compete with the centralized exchanges in terms of speed for a central limit order book. There's a whole host of these new applications that are unlocked with Alpenglow, and I think, you know, Alpenglow happens, say, in Q3. You'll start to see some of these applications be developed or migrated or upgraded, say, in Q4 and then into 2027. I think 2027 is gonna be a real catalyst time for Solana from a technology perspective. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:29:27Price may or may not kind of front run that, but, you know, on the technology side, we're very, very excited for the next, let's call it two years. The last thing I'd say that's very exciting is the RWA growth. We're seeing xStocks and some of the other equity issuance platforms really start to have legs. You're seeing people trading metals on-chain. You're seeing people trade commodities on chain. There's just a bunch of exciting things that are happening there that I think we're just in the very, very early innings, and I think, you know, and people like Larry Fink at BlackRock say this, that ultimately all assets are going to be tokenized. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:30:12When we're sitting here saying, "Well, you know, there's $200 billion of tokenized RWAs if you include stablecoins. You know, there's maybe, like, less than $1 billion of non-stablecoin RWAs out there, like true RWAs, you know, like tokenized stocks. This is just a tiny, tiny rounding error to zero relative to global assets. I think you're gonna see massive growth in assets being issued on chain, and Solana is candidly the best place for it, and is already winning that race. I think you're gonna kind of continue to see that happen. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:30:47Yeah, I'll add, as we highlighted in the letter, 94% of all tokenized equity spot volume has settled on Solana, which is a pretty staggering figure. Parker, I'll note you missed a good chance to say if stable coins are the ChatGPT of crypto, then Solana is Nvidia. I saw a funny article the other day, and it actually showed Claude had a price target for Solana of $350 by the end of this year. I don't know if that's too bearish, won't comment any further than that. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:31:18Is this the secret Mythos model giving us some price targets early? Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:31:24All right, guys, we are at our last question. This one is for Joseph. Could you please address the increased focus on privacy networks like Canton and Zcash? How do you feel Solana loses any mandates given its transparency? Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:31:42Yeah, thanks. I'm pretty bullish on privacy personally. Yes, I think non-privacy focused blockchains are disadvantaged. I think that's probably in the extreme long term. On a long enough timeframe or even a maybe a medium timeframe for Solana, I expect there to be privacy layers or tools built on top of the chain. Solana's got a great community of developers, problem solvers, and if the market demands privacy on Solana, then Solana's gonna find a way to deliver it at scale. While I'm bullish on privacy, I'm not worried about this, you know, for or from Solana's perspective in the short term, certainly. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:32:40All right. That brings us to the end of our Q&A. Thank you, Joseph, John, and Parker for your thoughtful responses as always. We thank all the listeners for tuning in to our earnings call. Please do not hesitate to reach out to us if you have any additional questions. With that, in service of SOL per share growth, we will see you all next quarter. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:33:04See y'all. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:33:05Thank you.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesDan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor RelationsJohn HanCFOJoseph OnoratiCEOParker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment OfficerPowered by Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) DeFi Development Earnings HeadlinesDeFi Development (NASDAQ:DFDV) and Euronet Worldwide (NASDAQ:EEFT) Head to Head ContrastOctober 2 at 2:15 AM | americanbankingnews.comDeFi Development Expands SOL Treasury to Back CHAD DividendsSeptember 28, 2026 | tipranks.comThis AI Stock Reminds One Analyst of Early NvidiaJeff Brown picked Nvidia in 2016, before shares surged 37,800 percent. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:00:00Welcome to DeFi Development Corp.'s Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. I'm Dan Kang, Chief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations. Joining me today are Joseph Onorati, Chief Executive Officer, John Han, our Chief Financial Officer, and Parker White, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Investment Officer. As a reminder, we will be making forward-looking statements during this call. Actual results may differ materially due to risks and uncertainties which are outlined in our filings with the SEC, including our Form 10-K. Our latest shareholder letter was published yesterday, May 13th, after market close, and is available on our website. We will begin today by answering questions submitted by retail investors, followed by questions from the sell side. Joseph, Parker, John, thank you for joining us. John HanCFO at DeFi Development Corp00:00:45Happy to be here. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:00:48Our first question is from retail. "I invested in DeFi Development Corp. because of this mission statement, quote, 'DeFi Development Corporation is a public company whose core strategy is to hold and grow a large reserve of Solana, SOL.' Can you tell me if this is still your core mission?" Joseph? Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:01:10Yes. The purpose of the company is to offer investors with leveraged Solana exposure. We see some other DATs in the space trying to move away from being a DAT. That's not us. We're leaning into it. If you read our investor letter and walked away thinking that we've taken our eye off the ball, then we haven't communicated well. The reason we dove into experimentation in the letter is because we wanted shareholders to understand that everything, we do, from running validators to partnerships we make, on chain deployment of the treasury, the Treasury Accelerator program, even ApeX, is ultimately meant to amplify SOL accumulation. These aren't at odds with stacking more SOL. If anything, they provide a differentiated avenue for accumulation that no other DAT's pursuing. Our mission's still the same: grow SPS as fast as possible. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:02:10At the end of the day, SPS, or SOL per share, is still the only number we measure ourselves against. 108% trailing 12 months of growth is great, but it's just a start, and we think we have plenty of SPS growth ahead of us. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:02:28All right. Thanks, Joseph. Next question, "At current SOL levels and staking revenue, will DFDV sustain two years of runway? How concerned should we be of the OPEX and the debt service if SOL drops to, say, $60 or $40? Will the staking revenue keep the lights on to survive?" John, you wanna take this? John HanCFO at DeFi Development Corp00:02:47Yeah, sure, happy to. That's an excellent question and an important question, and it's one that's front and center for the entire DFDV team. You know, all of us have lived through multiple bear and bull cycles, especially in crypto, so we treat runway, capital allocation, and sustainability as core priorities. We are confident that we have the funds to sustain operations for well over two years at current Solana prices and with the staking revenue. We run detailed periodic runway models specifically for these various scenarios, both for our internal purposes as well as for our auditors. We are laser-focused on reducing OPEX wherever possible to drive greater Solana per share growth, so like Joseph just mentioned, our key KPI there. John HanCFO at DeFi Development Corp00:03:39As we discussed in our shareholder letter, we do make selective high-conviction bets on opportunities where we believe we can create meaningful value for our shareholders. Many of those bets obviously do incur one-time costs. You know, these are bets, but obviously they have costs. That service, on the other hand, remains very manageable, and we maintain a very comfortable runway even if Solana prices were to fall 50% from here. That said, even if that did happen, we wouldn't expect, you know, such weakness to happen to sustain very long. We remain very bullish on Solana long-term. Thank you. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:04:23Thanks, John. Next question, "DFDV succeeds if Solana succeeds. What are you doing to incubate, accelerate, and proliferate the expansion and adoption of SOL?" Parker, you wanna take that? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:04:38Sure. I think this kind of comes down to two primary areas. The first one is effectively marketing or storytelling, right? We continue to talk to investors, and they understand Bitcoin primarily because of Michael Saylor. We want to be, in our own way, the Michael Saylor for Solana, telling that story, being the evangelist. That's something that we've tried to do. We've put out a number of pieces, long-form pieces, short-form pieces, via our Twitter, our blog, some of the recordings that we host. Lots of different avenues there. We continue to do more of that going forward. The other area is through ecosystem development. We've, you know, historically done partners with all the major players across the ecosystem. We plan to continue to support that kind of initiative over time. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:05:38As new entrants come to market, we'll do additional partnerships to help bring focus and a spotlight to those projects. We may use risk-managed portions of our balance sheet to help grow liquidity on some of these platforms and ultimately create an environment that others want to participate in because, you know, a regulated public entity is involved on chain. It's ultimately the marketing and the capital deployment, and we plan to continue doing both to help support the ecosystem growth. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:06:16All right. Thanks, Parker. Next question. In addition to the recent rise of Solana's price, what other activities and/or investments have been made in the Solana ecosystem more broadly, and what positive news can you tell us about them which are actually adding value to the company? Parker, you wanna take that? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:06:35Sure. On our side, you know, we recently announced a partnership with Jupiter Lend that was a month or two ago. We are working on some additional partnerships. We announced a partnership with Allied Architects in Japan as part of our kind of Treasury Accelerator program. We continue to make progress on DFDV UK. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:07:07These are a few of the initiatives that we're working on to both directly and indirectly, you know, help grow value for the Solana ecosystem and accrue some of that value back to DFDV. Additionally, and more broadly speaking, there've been a number of positive developments on the Solana front. You saw the recent announcement about Google and the payments API there. We're continuing to see more and more activity on the Solana side, both with RWAs and tokenized assets and other large institutions getting involved in the ecosystem. I think we're gonna talk more about that in a little bit, but I think that's also germane here. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:07:54All right. Thanks, Parker. Next question. Is ApeX related to DFDV or Sol? As I understand, it's only tied to Bitcoin. Do you expect the release of the governance token to be a catalyst for both DFDV and Sol? Joseph, you wanna take this one? Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:08:13Yeah, sure. We won't comment on the release of a governance token for for ApeX. As outlined in the shareholder letter, we think ApeX meaningfully improves the cost of capital for a preferred equity fundraise for DFDV. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:08:35All right. Thanks, Joseph. Let's turn to some sell side questions. This question is, at Needham, DK, you discussed experimentation as a core part of DFDV's playbook. How should we think about the budget for experimentation going forward? Is there a hard cap as a percent of treasury or balance sheet, or is it more opportunistic? When an experiment doesn't work, at what point do you decide to cut it versus give it more time? I'll take this, guys. It's a good question. I'll start with, I guess, the budget or call it, like, capital allocation framework. There's definitely a waterfall of priorities, and any investment we make has to clear the bar of basically the ROI on buying Sol right here, right now. Especially since we think Sol is eventually going to 10K. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:09:26It's why we've made the, what I would call, what we outlined in our letter, the asymmetric bets that we have. In each scenario, we model the upside, the downside, and in each of the scenarios that we outlined in the letter, the downside was fairly de minimis, but we believe the opportunities were magnitudes greater than the upfront cost or cash or SOL investment. ZeroStack Corp. is actually a great example. You know, had that SOL sat there on our balance sheet, we would have earned the staking rewards and, of course, generated a return equal to the SOL price action over the last, call it, like, eight months or so. Because of the way we structured this deal, we got a return well above our investment, got the staking rewards back as well. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:10:08The economic cost to DFDV was effectively zero. You know, I think there are numerous examples of this kind of playbook really paying dividends to us. ApeX is another fantastic example of us bringing a $400 million project to life in terms of TVL in just a matter of weeks, with again, a fraction of the balance sheet committed upfront. These are a few examples. Again, we're gonna try to be as transparent as possible with shareholders with respect to both our wins and our losses on experimentation. Again, all of it is geared towards driving SOL per share growth in some capacity. All right. Next question. Can you give us a sense, one year later, of Bonk's actual SOL per share contribution? Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:10:56What kind of Sol per share growth would have occurred had you not announced this partnership? I'll take this once again, guys. Difficult to quantify. Shareholders can see how our equity reacted post-announcement. I really think the attention and volume that that partnership drove was most key. Got us on the radar for crypto native investors, showcased our knowledge of not just crypto, but its culture as well. It literally tripled our average daily volume in the ensuing weeks, right? It's difficult to pinpoint an exact Sol per share number, let's call it, like, pro forma for that. I think investors can do some back of the envelope math on the impact just looking at, you know, what happened to DFDV equity in the ensuing days and weeks following that announcement. All right. Next question. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:11:51The letter mentions you intend to keep experimenting and that some bets won't work. How are you thinking about the threshold for disclosure? Will we hear about every miss the size of Bonk or only the ones above a certain materiality threshold? Joseph, you wanna take that? Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:12:06Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think the materiality threshold is just a legal question. We check with our lawyers if something's material. If it's material, we disclose it. If it's not and we think it's, you know, accretive to the business, then we'll disclose it. We put Bonk down as an example miss because it was very public, but it wasn't very expensive to launch the token actually. From a pure dollar cost perspective, it was just a legal cost, and then outside the dollar cost it was, you know, the team's time to, you know, get it out there. The upside potential, you know, when we modeled it, you know, was significant. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:12:59So, even if the company never intended to sell any, the potential benefit to the business was, in our view, massive in comparison to the cost, and that goes to the point on asymmetric bets that DK's mentioned a couple of times now. Also, I guess, reflecting a little more on threshold for disclosure and what counts as a, like a win or a loss, you know, on a bet and whether to disclose it or not, Maybe this answer is not very direct, but quantifying some of these misses might not be straightforward. For example, in the Bonk validator partnership, if it hadn't moved the stock price, would it have been a miss? I doubt it. I mean, setting up the validator was relatively low cost. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:14:04You know, we probably actually generated revenue on the partnership. Not much, but some. You know, even if the stock price didn't move, I don't know if that one would be a failure. Maybe over-musing there. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:14:22Cool. Thanks, Joseph. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:14:25Thank you. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:14:25Next question. Thanks for the framing around Treasury Accelerator. Can you walk through some of the key milestones you're looking for on Allied Architects and DFDV UK, and when we might see the SOL per share contribution? Is this a next six months or next three-four years kind of thing? Parker, you wanna take that? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:14:45Yeah, it's a good question. I think it's a little bit of both. On a unrealized basis, you may see an impact in the next six months, but the intention for us is not to, you know, wrap up these deals in six months, sell all the stock, get out, right? The intention is for these to be long-term partnerships and growth opportunities for us. We think that every major capital market in the world should have exposure to enhanced Solana as DFDV provides in the U.S. That also may take some slightly different flavors in each market, but ultimately, we're here for the long term with these partners. I think you may start to see some benefit in the short term, but I think it will be tough to evaluate the full success on any month-denominated basis. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:15:43It'll likely be, you know, many, many years, who knows, maybe a decade before we fully understand the totality of the impact here. We're playing for the long term. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:15:55Thanks. I'd like to add to that. The way I think about these deals, for the Treasury Accelerator is in a bear market or a flat market, you know, we're not gonna see a lot of, you know, significant SOL per share growth at the DFDV side for these relationships. In a bull market when, there's, you know, demand for SOL's ripping, because of these partnerships, we're able to offer additional leveraged exposure to Solana. To maybe tighten it up, I think these deals, have potential for outsized, upside with, you know, limited or no, downside. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:16:53Awesome. Thanks, guys. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:16:53And I think- Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:16:54Sorry, Parker. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:16:55Expanding that, on that a little bit further, doing some back and forth, the way I think about all of our experimentation is accumulating call options. I think in this case we now have, you know, a call option on Solana DATs in Japan, for example, or Solana DATs in the U.K. If we can acquire these call options for fairly minimal cost, of course, call options aren't great in sideways markets, but or down markets, but in up markets, they have levered upside payoff. That's essentially how we look at the Treasury Accelerator program and also kind of most of our bets in general. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:17:42Awesome. Thanks, guys. One more on Treasury Accelerator, specifically as relates to Allied Architects. You mentioned Allied Architects has limited operating commitments. How should we think about what limited means in practice? Is there a potential asset management agreement coming, and would that change the economics of the deal materially? Parker, you wanna take that? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:18:05Sure. Today there's no operating agreement in place. We don't have, you know, operating commitments that would create ongoing costs. I can't discuss any future asset management agreements that may be implemented. However, of course, if we were to sign on for additional costs, that would come with commensurate additional, you know, revenue and upside there. I'll leave it at that. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:18:36Thanks, Parker. All right, next question. Would you consider running your ATM or selling SOL to repurchase any convertible debt? Is this philosophy around convertible debt repurchase similar to the MSTR playbook, or are there different ways you're thinking about convert retirement? Are converts completely off the table as a future funding source? Parker? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:19:02Sure. Ultimately, we want to maintain our flexibility. This is a very dynamic space. MicroStrategy has not been around for that long, and they've changed the playbook several times already. You know, just recently Saylor starting to discuss potentially selling some Bitcoin. I don't wanna paint ourselves into a corner by saying we will never do something or we will always do something. You know, we evaluate these opportunities as they come along and look at the economics. You know, maybe an example. If the convert was trading at $0.05, this is you know, hyperbole. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:19:42If the convert was trading at $0.05 and we could retire all of our debt for $6 million, yeah, maybe we'd sell a little bit of SOL, if it was, you know, trading at $100 a coin to retire all of our debt. Again, hyperbole, but, you know, we kind of look at all the opportunities as they present themselves and as the market creates opportunities. If we feel that something is, you know, mispriced, we may, you know, take advantage of that. We do really prefer not to sell SOL to buy back debt. You know, there may be some situations where it makes sense on a SOL per share growth perspective, 'cause these are convertible notes, so when there's a buyback, it also does retire that future conversion. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:20:35You know, this is not the base case. This is more of an exception. I'll kind of close out with that and just, you know, really highlight that optionality that we wanna maintain because, you know, this is such a changing environment and, all of these things, our common stock, SOL, convertible debt, everything else has a market price, and those are always in flux. Saying we will or won't do something today, is, you know, tough to predict for the future. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:21:07Awesome. Thanks, Parker. Next question. Your leverage ratios are high given the pullback in SOL price. As you simplify the capital stack and lean into different issuances like preferred equity, what's the target leverage profile we should model, and how does that change in a downside SOL scenario? Parker, you wanna take that? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:21:29Sure. Our long-term leverage target, we do want to target somewhere around 30%. Now, of course, that's going to move around quite a bit as the price of SOL moves, and we really don't want to effectively be forced rebalancers to that 30% target, because that would require us to lever up in bull markets and de-lever in bear markets, which is the exact opposite of, you know, what you want to do for long-term SPS growth. Again, we kind of have this long-term target, and this should, you know, roughly be maintained in, I would call it, the midpoint, if you will, of market environments. In the overly bullish environments, you would expect our leverage ratio to decline, and in the overly bearish markets, you would expect our leverage ratio to increase. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:22:32That may be slightly due to, you know, our own actions, but largely it's gonna be due to the market. If, you know, the value of the balance sheet gets cut in half because SOL has a 50% pullback, well, the leverage ratio doubles without us doing anything directly there to contribute to that. We do want to, you know, target a prudent level of leverage, maintain some cash reserves to cover coupon payments or, you know, dividend payments on preferreds, that kind of thing. There may be opportunities to slightly add some leverage in a bear market and slightly de-lever in a bull market. Generally speaking, we want to, you know, maintain that rough 30% target and allow the market to kind of change our leverage ratio for us. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:23:26Awesome. All right. Next question comes from George over at Craig-Hallum. Could you give us your updated thoughts on the key use cases for SOL, particularly any recent wins that embolden your conviction in the asset? Parker, you wanna take this? Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:23:42Sure. There's a lot of things here. You know, interestingly enough, with the team launching a project on Ethereum, it's actually crystallized our bullishness on Solana from both a technology perspective and candidly, a liquidity perspective. If you look across the Ethereum ecosystem outside of Ethereum, Layer one or the base layer, SOL is a clear second place on liquidity. None of the L2s on the Ethereum side really come close. There's some activity on, say, Hyperliquid, but Solana has a dominant number two position on the liquidity front, and on a technology front, Solana is a very clear win-winner. It's much easier to launch projects, to manage projects. It's just a better UX on Solana all around. A few key themes that we're watching on the Solana front that are really exciting. First one is stablecoin growth. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:24:51We're seeing pretty meaningful growth on that front. Not just in TVL numbers and transaction volume numbers, which on the transaction volume side outpace all other chains. The types of entities getting involved are pretty spectacular. We saw quite a while back, Western Union, but there's a number of other large entities that are issuing stablecoins, sometimes first and foremost and even only on Solana. I think you're gonna see that continue to happen. You know, people in DeFi like to look at the total stables, TVL of, you know, $300 billion and say, "Wow, that's so big." In the grand scheme of, you know, global credit markets or global money markets, it's tiny. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:25:46I think, as, you know, global stables TVL grows to, let's call it $3 trillion, $5 trillion, $10 trillion, the $300 billion that we're at today is a drop in the bucket, and I think Solana is best positioned to capture the lion's share of that big, let's say $10 trillion TAM for money on-chain. A key reason for that is agentic AI and the X402 standard. What we're seeing is the number of machine-generated payments and payments using X402 on Solana outpacing all other chains. That's just because it's just easier to send money on Solana. It's cheaper to send money on Solana. Machines can pay, I like to say token for tokens on the agentic AI side. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:26:44You know, agents can pay for LLM tokens with, you know, crypto tokens, with stablecoins. It still makes economic sense to send those small amounts. They settle instantly. You know, there's no permission required for an AI to have a wallet to, you know, send assets around. Another really big unlock that we're excited about is the Alpenglow upgrade. The key change here is gonna be finality times, bringing finality down to about 100 ms to 150 ms. Just last week, I believe it was, there were some tests that show that it's actually working. Gearing up for the mainnet release, hopefully here in Q3. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:27:35I think that'll be a real stepwise improvement because what that does is it moves Solana out of the realm of competing with other Web3 platforms and saying, "Well, Solana's the best, you know, blockchain." It's like, "Yeah, but blockchains are all kinda slow." Actually, what it does is it brings Solana on par with Web2 platforms. Now you might say, "Well, I could run my application using, say, an RDS instance on AWS, or I could run my application using the Solana blockchain," and they actually have about the same speed. In fact, the Solana blockchain in some cases may be faster. All of the Web2 applications that we're used to, snappy apps, immediate, you know, page transitions and button clicks just working, that all is coming to Solana. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:28:28It's already great, but there's that kinda last little improvement that I think surprisingly actually is a stepwise function. This also opens up a whole host of additional applications on-chain. The one that everyone likes to talk about is, of course, on-chain perpetual swaps, something like a Hyperliquid, but on Solana. Because now it becomes, you know, Solana will start to compete with the centralized exchanges in terms of speed for a central limit order book. There's a whole host of these new applications that are unlocked with Alpenglow, and I think, you know, Alpenglow happens, say, in Q3. You'll start to see some of these applications be developed or migrated or upgraded, say, in Q4 and then into 2027. I think 2027 is gonna be a real catalyst time for Solana from a technology perspective. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:29:27Price may or may not kind of front run that, but, you know, on the technology side, we're very, very excited for the next, let's call it two years. The last thing I'd say that's very exciting is the RWA growth. We're seeing xStocks and some of the other equity issuance platforms really start to have legs. You're seeing people trading metals on-chain. You're seeing people trade commodities on chain. There's just a bunch of exciting things that are happening there that I think we're just in the very, very early innings, and I think, you know, and people like Larry Fink at BlackRock say this, that ultimately all assets are going to be tokenized. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:30:12When we're sitting here saying, "Well, you know, there's $200 billion of tokenized RWAs if you include stablecoins. You know, there's maybe, like, less than $1 billion of non-stablecoin RWAs out there, like true RWAs, you know, like tokenized stocks. This is just a tiny, tiny rounding error to zero relative to global assets. I think you're gonna see massive growth in assets being issued on chain, and Solana is candidly the best place for it, and is already winning that race. I think you're gonna kind of continue to see that happen. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:30:47Yeah, I'll add, as we highlighted in the letter, 94% of all tokenized equity spot volume has settled on Solana, which is a pretty staggering figure. Parker, I'll note you missed a good chance to say if stable coins are the ChatGPT of crypto, then Solana is Nvidia. I saw a funny article the other day, and it actually showed Claude had a price target for Solana of $350 by the end of this year. I don't know if that's too bearish, won't comment any further than that. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:31:18Is this the secret Mythos model giving us some price targets early? Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:31:24All right, guys, we are at our last question. This one is for Joseph. Could you please address the increased focus on privacy networks like Canton and Zcash? How do you feel Solana loses any mandates given its transparency? Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:31:42Yeah, thanks. I'm pretty bullish on privacy personally. Yes, I think non-privacy focused blockchains are disadvantaged. I think that's probably in the extreme long term. On a long enough timeframe or even a maybe a medium timeframe for Solana, I expect there to be privacy layers or tools built on top of the chain. Solana's got a great community of developers, problem solvers, and if the market demands privacy on Solana, then Solana's gonna find a way to deliver it at scale. While I'm bullish on privacy, I'm not worried about this, you know, for or from Solana's perspective in the short term, certainly. Dan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor Relations at DeFi Development Corp00:32:40All right. That brings us to the end of our Q&A. Thank you, Joseph, John, and Parker for your thoughtful responses as always. We thank all the listeners for tuning in to our earnings call. Please do not hesitate to reach out to us if you have any additional questions. With that, in service of SOL per share growth, we will see you all next quarter. Parker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment Officer at DeFi Development Corp00:33:04See y'all. Joseph OnoratiCEO at DeFi Development Corp00:33:05Thank you.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesDan KangChief Strategy Officer and Head of Investor RelationsJohn HanCFOJoseph OnoratiCEOParker WhiteCOO and Chief Investment OfficerPowered by