OTCMKTS:BMNM Bimini Capital Management Q1 2026 Earnings Results & Report $3.00 +0.10 (+3.52%) As of 10/14/2026 11:01 AM Eastern Bimini Capital Management reported Q1 2026 earnings on May 7, 2026. The company reported EPS of $0.08. Research:ProfileEarnings History Earnings Announcement Details QuarterQ1 2026Report DateMay 7, 2026TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateMay 8, 2026Conference Call10:00 AM ET Bimini Capital Management EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.08Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ABimini Capital Management Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Bimini Capital Management Q1 2026 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 8, 2026ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Negative Sentiment: Orchid Island Capital reported a Q1 net loss of $20.2 million (‑$0.11/share) and Bimini's investment portfolio lost $0.7 million, while consolidated income for Bimini was $0.8 million ($0.08/share). Positive Sentiment: Advisory services revenue rose to $5.1 million in Q1 (from $4.7M in Q4) and the advisory segment generated $2.25 million of net income, and Orchid's shareholders' equity increased to $1.392 billion. Positive Sentiment: Bimini completed an 80% acquisition of Tom Johnson Investment Management on April 1, 2026, bringing roughly $1.6 billion of AUM and diversified distribution channels (about 65% consultant platforms, 35% direct). Negative Sentiment: Management said the Feb 28 war in Iran caused severe disruption to agency RMBS and fixed‑income markets, which drove the Q1 losses; markets have partially recovered in Q2 but management warned of higher inflation risk and ongoing macro uncertainty. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallBimini Capital Management Q1 202600:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to Bimini Capital Management Q1 2026 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask the question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. I would now like to hand the conference over to Melissa Alfonso. You may begin. Melissa AlfonsoAccounting Controller at Bimini Capital Management00:00:31Thank you, Tawanda. Good morning, welcome to the Q1 2026 earnings conference call for Bimini Capital Management. This call is being recorded today, May eighth, 2026. At this time, the company would like to remind the listeners that statements made during today's conference call relating to matters that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements subject to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Listeners are cautioned that such forward-looking statements are based on information currently available on the management's good faith, belief with respect to future events, and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual performance or results to differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements. Melissa AlfonsoAccounting Controller at Bimini Capital Management00:01:21Important factors that could cause such differences are described in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K. The company assumes no obligation to update such forward-looking statements to reflect actual results, changes in assumptions, or changes in other factors affecting forward-looking statements. I'd like to turn the conference over to the company's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Robert E. Cauley. Please go ahead, sir. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:01:55Thanks, Melissa, good morning, and thank you for joining us today. Hopefully, you've had a chance to look at the short deck that we've put out on our website. We will be referring to that later on the call. Today, we are joined on our call by Richard Perry, the president and CIO of Tom Johnson Investment Management or TJIM, as we refer to it. Recall, we closed on our purchase of an 80% ownership stake on April 1, 2026. After we discuss our results for the quarter and provide a brief overview of our outlook on the market and our existing business, we will have Richard provide an introduction to our shareholders and tell us a little more about TJIM. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:02:35Regarding our results for the quarter, uneven market conditions for the agency RMBS market caused Orchid Island Capital, or Orchid, and Bimini's investment portfolio segment to report modest losses for the quarter. As we know, the war in Iran, which broke out on February 28, caused severe disruption to the market in its immediate aftermath. Markets have calmed down considerably since, but the initial market reactions were sufficient to cause our results for the quarter to be slightly negative. Orchid reported a net loss of $20.2 million or $0.11 per share for the Q1 of 2026. Bimini's investment portfolio segment generated a net loss of $0.7 million for the quarter. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:03:22Orchid was able to continue to expand its quarter equity base, however, and its stockholders' equity increased from $1.372 billion at December 31, 2025 to $1.392 billion at March 31, 2026. As a result, Bimini's advisory service revenue also increased to $5.1 million in Q1 compared to $4.7 million for the fourth quarter of 2025. The advisory service segment generated net income for the Q1 of $2.25 million, and Bimini's consolidated income for the Q1 was $0.8 million or $0.08 per share. In the Q2 of 2026, market conditions for leveraged agency RMBS investing have improved, reversing some but not all the losses we sustained during the Q1. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:04:14Regarding market conditions during the Q1 of 2026, the fixed income markets experienced a period of calm as 2025 came to a close and we entered 2026. Interest rates were in a very tight range. Implied interest rate volatility had continued the steady decline that began in April of 2025. Agency RMBS performed well during the first two months of the Q1 of 2026. Other sectors of the fixed income markets performed well over this period as well. Spreads on investment-grade corporate bonds reached levels not seen since 1998. As 2026 began, economic activity remained resilient, including the labor market. However, the outlook has since changed after the war broke out in the Middle East. The world's most critical oil and chemical supply region has suffered intense military attacks, leading to supply interruptions. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:05:09Inflation, which was already sticky, may move even higher, and the economic outlook has become very uncertain as a result of the war, causing growth both in the U.S. and globally to deteriorate. The ultimate outcome of the war remains uncertain. To date, the economy in the U.S. has remained resilient, but there is still uncertainty if it can continue to do so. We will see where we stand when we speak again at the end of the Q2. Now, I would like to formally introduce Richard Perry, President and CIO of TJIM, and provide Richard an opportunity to tell us more about TJIM's history, provide an overview of their investment products and their investor base, and finally, give us an update on business so far. Thank you. With that, I'll turn it over to Richard. Richard, go ahead. Richard PerryPresident and CIO at TJIM00:05:56Yes. my name is Richard Perry, and thank you for this opportunity. Richard PerryPresident and CIO at TJIM00:06:00Bob wanted to have me give you a little background on myself and then the organization and then more about the organization structure. I grew up in Oklahoma City, went to the University of Colorado, received a Bachelor of Science degree in Business with an emphasis in International Finance. I came back to Oklahoma City to work at First National Bank, where I did a brief stint at credit and then audit, external and internal auditing, did some strategic planning for the bank, and then went over to work for the trust investment department where I worked with Tom Johnson Investment Management. Tom spun off from First National Bank back in 1983. A number of trust investment companies did that due to the oil crisis. Richard PerryPresident and CIO at TJIM00:06:52We did that as well as a lot of other organizations in Texas because of the oil situation. I became a minority owner with Tom Johnson Investment Management. We sold out to United Asset Management, which was buying up a number of independent organizations like ourselves. They sold to Old Mutual, and I bought the firm back in 2003. Our current assets are approximately a little over $1.6 billion, and there's some charts here on the website. We're diversified in terms of structure. About 65% of our assets under management are through consultant platforms and brokerage consultants. Thirty-five percent, we have a direct relationship with clientele where we're offering investment management services as well as financial planning exercises. Richard PerryPresident and CIO at TJIM00:07:57We believe that's a healthy degree of diversification. In terms of our product lines, we have two separate account management equity portfolios, a relative core value style, a diversified stock income or yield kind of focused style. We have four fixed income products, a fixed income product, an intermediate fixed income. Both are single A or better quality issues at purchase. We have tax-exempt, we have a short-term investment fund. Our last one is kind of a very small ETF allocation model that we do for our direct clientele that have very small portfolios like Roths or very small IRAs. I think that's kind of the exposure or the comments I'd like to make and welcome any questions. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:08:56Thank you, Richard. Finally, we look forward to discussing TJIM's results for the Q2 of 2026 as part of our quarterly earnings discussion next quarter. I think that's it. Operator, we can open up the call to questions. Operator00:09:12Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder to ask the question, please press star one one on your telephone, then wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of David Atlas. Your line is open. David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:09:39Hello. Yes. Just wanted to ask a question that is a little historical at this point. It goes back a few months. Your shareholder rights plan. I'm not an expert in these things, so my question may be a bit ignorant, but I was kind of curious about how you came to decide on the price to set for the shareholder rights plan. It didn't seem to match what I understood from my extensive readings on the internet as how one sets the prices for these, so I must be confused about something. Please help me understand. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:10:11Sure. Just first to review the history, we had put a rights plan in place in 2015. It expired in late 2025, we're putting in place another one, which is on our proxy, up for shareholder approval this year. Our annual meeting is on June 9th, I believe. I could be wrong. The price that we set is slightly different than the approach that we might have taken in the past or would be consistent with what you've probably read. In the past, when we were a basically traded as a real estate investment trust, the price of the stock would typically be kind of pinned to book value. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:10:52When we looked at the price, we tried to pick a value around then book and maybe what our expectations for what book could evolve over time, and then take a slight discount to that. As the company has transitioned, especially with respect to this transaction and the acquisition of TJIM, the company's much more of a pure money manager, and money managers just trade fundamentally differently than REITs. You know, they're not pegged to book value. They typically trade at a multiple of either EBITDA or sometimes revenue. Therefore, when we take that different approach, and we kind of look out and see, you know, granted, we have some caveats with respect to Bimini. It's a micro-cap stock company. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:11:41It's not paying a dividend, it's not likely to trade at the same multiples that, say, a large public, liquid asset manager would trade at. We still tried to form an opinion in terms of where we thought a reasonable level was, and then again, to try to pick a slight discount to that. Typically, those prices that we set are far above where the stock is trading at the time. That was the case here. As I'm sure you know, the stock's been trading between $2.50 and $3 or $3.25 for quite a while, that price is far above that. it's, you know, That's the process we go through and take it from there if you have any further questions. David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:12:26Sure. One, just one follow-up, and you kind of opened the door on my follow-up, which is, do you see yourself remaining a legal REIT in the future, or do you maybe you're gonna take a look at that? Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:12:39No, actually, we, when we did the original plan, we were a REIT, but we've since given up the status. We are no longer a REIT. David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:12:46Oh, I didn't- Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:12:47No longer- David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:12:47Oh, I missed that. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:12:47No. David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:12:48My bad. Sorry. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:12:49Yeah. No worries. David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:12:51Thank you. Thank you. That's all my questions. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:12:53All right. You're quite welcome. Operator00:12:55Thank you. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that's star one one to ask the question. I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I would like to turn the call back over to Robert for closing remarks. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:13:15Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone. To the extent that a question comes up after the call or if you have to listen to the replay and didn't get a chance to listen to us live, and you have a question, please feel free to reach out. The number at the office is 772-231-1400. Otherwise, we look forward to speaking with you at the end of the Q2. Thank you, and have a good day. Operator00:13:41This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to Bimini Capital Management Q1 2026 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask the question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. I would now like to hand the conference over to Melissa Alfonso. You may begin. Melissa AlfonsoAccounting Controller at Bimini Capital Management00:00:31Thank you, Tawanda. Good morning, welcome to the Q1 2026 earnings conference call for Bimini Capital Management. This call is being recorded today, May eighth, 2026. At this time, the company would like to remind the listeners that statements made during today's conference call relating to matters that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements subject to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Listeners are cautioned that such forward-looking statements are based on information currently available on the management's good faith, belief with respect to future events, and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual performance or results to differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements. Melissa AlfonsoAccounting Controller at Bimini Capital Management00:01:21Important factors that could cause such differences are described in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K. The company assumes no obligation to update such forward-looking statements to reflect actual results, changes in assumptions, or changes in other factors affecting forward-looking statements. I'd like to turn the conference over to the company's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Robert E. Cauley. Please go ahead, sir. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:01:55Thanks, Melissa, good morning, and thank you for joining us today. Hopefully, you've had a chance to look at the short deck that we've put out on our website. We will be referring to that later on the call. Today, we are joined on our call by Richard Perry, the president and CIO of Tom Johnson Investment Management or TJIM, as we refer to it. Recall, we closed on our purchase of an 80% ownership stake on April 1, 2026. After we discuss our results for the quarter and provide a brief overview of our outlook on the market and our existing business, we will have Richard provide an introduction to our shareholders and tell us a little more about TJIM. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:02:35Regarding our results for the quarter, uneven market conditions for the agency RMBS market caused Orchid Island Capital, or Orchid, and Bimini's investment portfolio segment to report modest losses for the quarter. As we know, the war in Iran, which broke out on February 28, caused severe disruption to the market in its immediate aftermath. Markets have calmed down considerably since, but the initial market reactions were sufficient to cause our results for the quarter to be slightly negative. Orchid reported a net loss of $20.2 million or $0.11 per share for the Q1 of 2026. Bimini's investment portfolio segment generated a net loss of $0.7 million for the quarter. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:03:22Orchid was able to continue to expand its quarter equity base, however, and its stockholders' equity increased from $1.372 billion at December 31, 2025 to $1.392 billion at March 31, 2026. As a result, Bimini's advisory service revenue also increased to $5.1 million in Q1 compared to $4.7 million for the fourth quarter of 2025. The advisory service segment generated net income for the Q1 of $2.25 million, and Bimini's consolidated income for the Q1 was $0.8 million or $0.08 per share. In the Q2 of 2026, market conditions for leveraged agency RMBS investing have improved, reversing some but not all the losses we sustained during the Q1. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:04:14Regarding market conditions during the Q1 of 2026, the fixed income markets experienced a period of calm as 2025 came to a close and we entered 2026. Interest rates were in a very tight range. Implied interest rate volatility had continued the steady decline that began in April of 2025. Agency RMBS performed well during the first two months of the Q1 of 2026. Other sectors of the fixed income markets performed well over this period as well. Spreads on investment-grade corporate bonds reached levels not seen since 1998. As 2026 began, economic activity remained resilient, including the labor market. However, the outlook has since changed after the war broke out in the Middle East. The world's most critical oil and chemical supply region has suffered intense military attacks, leading to supply interruptions. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:05:09Inflation, which was already sticky, may move even higher, and the economic outlook has become very uncertain as a result of the war, causing growth both in the U.S. and globally to deteriorate. The ultimate outcome of the war remains uncertain. To date, the economy in the U.S. has remained resilient, but there is still uncertainty if it can continue to do so. We will see where we stand when we speak again at the end of the Q2. Now, I would like to formally introduce Richard Perry, President and CIO of TJIM, and provide Richard an opportunity to tell us more about TJIM's history, provide an overview of their investment products and their investor base, and finally, give us an update on business so far. Thank you. With that, I'll turn it over to Richard. Richard, go ahead. Richard PerryPresident and CIO at TJIM00:05:56Yes. my name is Richard Perry, and thank you for this opportunity. Richard PerryPresident and CIO at TJIM00:06:00Bob wanted to have me give you a little background on myself and then the organization and then more about the organization structure. I grew up in Oklahoma City, went to the University of Colorado, received a Bachelor of Science degree in Business with an emphasis in International Finance. I came back to Oklahoma City to work at First National Bank, where I did a brief stint at credit and then audit, external and internal auditing, did some strategic planning for the bank, and then went over to work for the trust investment department where I worked with Tom Johnson Investment Management. Tom spun off from First National Bank back in 1983. A number of trust investment companies did that due to the oil crisis. Richard PerryPresident and CIO at TJIM00:06:52We did that as well as a lot of other organizations in Texas because of the oil situation. I became a minority owner with Tom Johnson Investment Management. We sold out to United Asset Management, which was buying up a number of independent organizations like ourselves. They sold to Old Mutual, and I bought the firm back in 2003. Our current assets are approximately a little over $1.6 billion, and there's some charts here on the website. We're diversified in terms of structure. About 65% of our assets under management are through consultant platforms and brokerage consultants. Thirty-five percent, we have a direct relationship with clientele where we're offering investment management services as well as financial planning exercises. Richard PerryPresident and CIO at TJIM00:07:57We believe that's a healthy degree of diversification. In terms of our product lines, we have two separate account management equity portfolios, a relative core value style, a diversified stock income or yield kind of focused style. We have four fixed income products, a fixed income product, an intermediate fixed income. Both are single A or better quality issues at purchase. We have tax-exempt, we have a short-term investment fund. Our last one is kind of a very small ETF allocation model that we do for our direct clientele that have very small portfolios like Roths or very small IRAs. I think that's kind of the exposure or the comments I'd like to make and welcome any questions. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:08:56Thank you, Richard. Finally, we look forward to discussing TJIM's results for the Q2 of 2026 as part of our quarterly earnings discussion next quarter. I think that's it. Operator, we can open up the call to questions. Operator00:09:12Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder to ask the question, please press star one one on your telephone, then wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of David Atlas. Your line is open. David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:09:39Hello. Yes. Just wanted to ask a question that is a little historical at this point. It goes back a few months. Your shareholder rights plan. I'm not an expert in these things, so my question may be a bit ignorant, but I was kind of curious about how you came to decide on the price to set for the shareholder rights plan. It didn't seem to match what I understood from my extensive readings on the internet as how one sets the prices for these, so I must be confused about something. Please help me understand. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:10:11Sure. Just first to review the history, we had put a rights plan in place in 2015. It expired in late 2025, we're putting in place another one, which is on our proxy, up for shareholder approval this year. Our annual meeting is on June 9th, I believe. I could be wrong. The price that we set is slightly different than the approach that we might have taken in the past or would be consistent with what you've probably read. In the past, when we were a basically traded as a real estate investment trust, the price of the stock would typically be kind of pinned to book value. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:10:52When we looked at the price, we tried to pick a value around then book and maybe what our expectations for what book could evolve over time, and then take a slight discount to that. As the company has transitioned, especially with respect to this transaction and the acquisition of TJIM, the company's much more of a pure money manager, and money managers just trade fundamentally differently than REITs. You know, they're not pegged to book value. They typically trade at a multiple of either EBITDA or sometimes revenue. Therefore, when we take that different approach, and we kind of look out and see, you know, granted, we have some caveats with respect to Bimini. It's a micro-cap stock company. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:11:41It's not paying a dividend, it's not likely to trade at the same multiples that, say, a large public, liquid asset manager would trade at. We still tried to form an opinion in terms of where we thought a reasonable level was, and then again, to try to pick a slight discount to that. Typically, those prices that we set are far above where the stock is trading at the time. That was the case here. As I'm sure you know, the stock's been trading between $2.50 and $3 or $3.25 for quite a while, that price is far above that. it's, you know, That's the process we go through and take it from there if you have any further questions. David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:12:26Sure. One, just one follow-up, and you kind of opened the door on my follow-up, which is, do you see yourself remaining a legal REIT in the future, or do you maybe you're gonna take a look at that? Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:12:39No, actually, we, when we did the original plan, we were a REIT, but we've since given up the status. We are no longer a REIT. David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:12:46Oh, I didn't- Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:12:47No longer- David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:12:47Oh, I missed that. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:12:47No. David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:12:48My bad. Sorry. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:12:49Yeah. No worries. David AtlasShareholder at Bimini Capital Management00:12:51Thank you. Thank you. That's all my questions. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:12:53All right. You're quite welcome. Operator00:12:55Thank you. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that's star one one to ask the question. I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I would like to turn the call back over to Robert for closing remarks. Robert CauleyChairman and CEO at Bimini Capital Management00:13:15Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone. To the extent that a question comes up after the call or if you have to listen to the replay and didn't get a chance to listen to us live, and you have a question, please feel free to reach out. The number at the office is 772-231-1400. Otherwise, we look forward to speaking with you at the end of the Q2. Thank you, and have a good day. Operator00:13:41This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesDavid AtlasShareholderMelissa AlfonsoAccounting ControllerRobert CauleyChairman and CEOAnalystsRichard PerryPresident and CIO at TJIMPowered by