PBF Energy Q2 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Strong second-quarter results and cash generation: PBF reported adjusted EPS of $6.22, adjusted EBITDA of $1.24 billion, and $1.6 billion of operating cash flow, supported by tight global product markets.
  • Positive Sentiment: Balance-sheet improvement accelerated: The company reduced net debt by more than $1.4 billion, ended the quarter with $894 million in cash and 15% net debt-to-capital, and expects approximately $1.5 billion of cash by the end of July.
  • Positive Sentiment: Management sees an extended favorable refining environment: Geopolitical disruptions have taken more than 5 million barrels per day of refining capacity offline, while low product inventories and slow restocking could support elevated refining margins into 2027.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Operational performance is improving but remains uneven: Martinez has returned to full operations, while the company is delaying several turnarounds to 2027 and expects about $60 million in annual procurement savings; however, Martinez’s hydrocracker turnaround and repairs at Chalmette remain upcoming execution items.
  • Negative Sentiment: Renewable-fuel compliance costs remain a significant burden: Management said the RFS program imposes roughly $14 per barrel of cost on PBF and warned that rising mandate requirements could create supply constraints, despite recent relief from lower RIN prices.
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Operator

Good day everyone, and welcome to the PBF Energy Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants have been placed in listen-only mode and the floor will be open for questions following management's prepared remarks. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Colin Murray of Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.

Colin Murray
Colin Murray
VP of Investor Relations at PBF Energy

Thank you, Angeline. Good morning and welcome to today's call. With me today are Matt Lucey, our President and CEO, Mike Bukowski, our Senior Vice President and Head of Refining, Joe Marino, our CFO, and several other members of our management team. Copies of today's earnings release and our 10-Q filing, including supplemental information, are available on our website. Before getting started, I'd like to direct your attention to the safe harbor statement contained in today's press release. Statements expressing the company's or management's expectations or predictions of the future are forward-looking statements intended to be covered by the safe harbor provisions under federal securities laws. Consistent with our prior periods, we will discuss our results excluding special items which are described in today's press release. Also included in the press release is forward-looking guidance information.

Colin Murray
Colin Murray
VP of Investor Relations at PBF Energy

For any questions on these items or other follow-up questions, please contact Investor Relations after the call. I'll now turn the call over to Matt Lucey.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Thanks, Colin. Good morning everyone, and thank you for joining our call. We clearly have reached a transformative moment for PBF. The ongoing disruptions in the Middle East and Eastern Europe have created one of, if not the largest dislocation the oil markets have ever seen. None of us welcomes the circumstance behind it, but the effect on our industry is both dramatic and constructive. Indeed, the world is in desperate need of the products we produce. Let me spend a few minutes on what we are seeing, first in crude, then in refined products, because the story on each is a bit different and both matter to how we think about the quarters ahead.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

With the backdrop of the ongoing Ukraine war, hostilities in the Middle East caused initially roughly 15 MMbpd of crude and 5 MMbpd of product to be effectively trapped inside the strait. These are significant headline numbers, but we've seen the market exercise some flexibility on the crude side with alternative routing, crude supply coming from national strategic reserves, and some areas outside the U.S. reduce demand as a result of lower utilization. Global refining utilization is down roughly 10% year-on-year. In the near term, crude flows are still searching for a new equilibrium, and global pricing is doing the work of redirecting barrels along new routes. Until crude reestablishes its historical trade patterns, we cannot predict exactly where a flat price or differentials land.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

What we can say with more confidence is that this environment favors refiners with crude slate flexibility and proximity to stable crude supply in the Americas. Shorter voyages and quicker, more reliable deliveries are real advantages. PBF's footprint is well-positioned as we have not, nor do we expect crude availability to impact our operations. Most importantly, on the product side, product inventories have been drawn down across the globe. Refining utilization outside the U.S. has fallen. U.S. markets must incentivize products to stay home as products are being pulled into exports. U.S. and West Coast markets are finding it harder to pull the imports they have historically relied on. The West Coast and East Coast are structurally short refining capacity and depend on imports, often from less stable sources to balance. The temporary Jones Act waivers are helping in this regard.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

California alone imports on the order of 250,000 bpd of gasoline, close to 1/3 of its demand, along with a meaningful volume of its jet fuel. When the global supply tightens, those are precisely the markets that feel it first and are most exposed. It reinforces a point we have made for some time. U.S. refining is critical infrastructure and has rarely been more evident than it is today. It will take time for trade patterns to normalize, both during and after these conflicts, and we expect crude to find its footing sooner than products. Prior to the disruption in the Middle East, there was a constructive setup for refining with tight refining balances and low product inventories worldwide. With the ongoing conflicts, this situation has been magnified.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Product inventories will be slow to rebuild, and the restocking that ultimately must occur should provide a favorable backdrop for refining margins over the quarters to come. What the current environment has provided is the prospect for PBF to generate significant value for our investors. In the second quarter, we reduced our net debt by over $1.4 billion. We ended the quarter with just under $900 million in cash, and I expect we'll end July with approximately $1.5 billion in cash. To recap, we had a constructive marketplace prior to the Middle East disruptions with ample crude, tight refining balances, and low product inventories worldwide. The disruptions around the world have resulted in over 5 MMbbl of refining capacity offline, a portion of which has suffered physical damage, which could take significant time to repair.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

When the disruption passes and the conflicts end, it will take an extended time for product inventories to normalize, thereby maintaining elevated margins for a time. As we saw in a small sample size immediately after the signing of the MoU, crude can and will normalize much quicker than products, as the dislocated crude will need to compete for market share. This should result in a favorable crude environment. PBF is uniquely positioned to capitalize on the opportunities presented by this extraordinary market. We've strengthened our balance sheet, we continue to lower our cost structure, and we are executing initiatives that improve reliability and efficiency. The work is being done, and we expect it to translate into meaningful value for shareholders. With that, I'll turn it over to Mike.

Mike Bukowski
Mike Bukowski
SVP and Head of Refining at PBF Energy

Thank you, Matt. Good morning, everyone. Currently, all of our refineries are operating well. In May, we were able to safely restart the fire-affected units at the Martinez refinery and have been producing our full product slate since that time. Again, I thank our Martinez team and all of our partners for their efforts to restore Martinez to full operations. While the restoration work was underway and the refinery was operating at reduced rates, the Martinez hydrocracker was doing the heavy lifting in terms of keeping the balance of the refinery operating, providing us with the ability to fulfill our commitments to deliver products to our customers. With that said, we will be conducting the upcoming hydrocracker turnaround at Martinez beginning in the third quarter and finishing in October.

Mike Bukowski
Mike Bukowski
SVP and Head of Refining at PBF Energy

Staying on the West Coast, in July, we reached an agreement with Air Products to repurchase two hydrogen plants servicing our Torrance refinery. Air Products has been and continues to be a valuable business partner for PBF. The hydrogen plants in Torrance are heavily integrated into the operation of the refinery, and we feel that owning and operating those assets will improve the overall reliability of Torrance, as we will be able to closely manage operating details and coordinate maintenance and turnarounds with the rest of the refinery as a whole. Outside of the West Coast, we contended with a few operational challenges during the quarter. In May, we had a loss of containment event at Chalmette that resulted in a pretreater and reformer being taken offline until repairs are complete later in Q3.

Mike Bukowski
Mike Bukowski
SVP and Head of Refining at PBF Energy

There was no material reduction in throughput as a result of this event, and the refinery is able to run at planned rates while we complete the repairs. The primary impact of the event is increased production of naphtha and a slight reduction in our finished gasoline yield. We expect to have a relatively clean run for the remainder of the year at Chalmette, as we have shifted, after careful evaluation and management of change, the scheduled fourth quarter crude unit and coker turnaround to 2027. In the Mid-Continent, we performed unplanned work related to Toledo's FCC during the second quarter, which was the driver of the lower-than-expected throughput. However, we took the opportunity to perform some key maintenance during the outage, which enables us to safely push the planned fourth quarter FCC turnaround to the first half of 2027.

Mike Bukowski
Mike Bukowski
SVP and Head of Refining at PBF Energy

Our East Coast assets ran well in the second quarter. We expect to have an uninterrupted run until we begin our Paulsboro crude unit turnaround late in the fall. We continue to implement the RBI program. Here are some examples of key accomplishments. We have implemented a circuit-wide energy efficiency program that resulted in a 20% reduction in purchased natural gas on a per-barrel and price-adjusted basis relative to the 2024 baseline. Our turnaround performance has seen a marked improvement. Not only have we become more predictable, based on industry benchmarking, we are moving up among industry leaders in turnaround execution. Our new strategic procurement organization is halfway through renegotiating or rebidding over 60 contracts with the focus on leveraging our spend nationally or regionally.

Mike Bukowski
Mike Bukowski
SVP and Head of Refining at PBF Energy

We expect to see savings of about $60 million a year in goods and services such as process chemicals, maintenance, and equipment rentals, among others. RBI is a multi-year effort with periods of focused work at each of the refineries, followed by establishment of new practices to ensure the improvements are sustained. The Refining Business Improvement initiative is central to improving PBF's results, but it will not distract us from our obligation to operate in a safe, reliable, and environmentally responsible way every day. With that, I'll turn the call over to Joe Marino for our financial overview.

Joe Marino
Joe Marino
CFO at PBF Energy

Thanks, Mike. For the second quarter, excluding special items, we reported adjusted net income of $6.22 per share and adjusted EBITDA of $1.24 billion. Our discussion of second quarter results excludes the net effect of special items Including $23 million in incremental OpEx related to the Martinez refinery incident, a $250 million gain on insurance recoveries, a $2 million charge related to the repayment of the $800 million senior notes due 2028, and approximately $9 million of charges associated with the RBI initiative, as well as other items detailed in the reconciling table in today's press release. PBF's results for the quarter are primarily a reflection of the strong product markets driven by tight supply and relatively firm demand. Globally, refineries that can run are running at high utilization rates.

Joe Marino
Joe Marino
CFO at PBF Energy

A significant portion of refining capacity remains offline or is running at reduced rates due to conflicts or crude availability constraints. The $250 million gain on insurance recoveries related to the Martinez fire is a result of the fifth unallocated payment agreed to and received in the second quarter. This brings our total insurance recoveries to $1.25 billion net of our deductibles and retention, including the amounts received in 2025. Important to note, the bulk of the spending related to the Martinez rebuild is behind us, with only some cleanup and demobilization items ahead. The claim is ongoing, and we expect to recover additional funds as we continue to work with our insurance providers towards finalization of the claim in the second half of 2026. Shifting back to our normal quarterly results discussion.

Joe Marino
Joe Marino
CFO at PBF Energy

Also included in our results is net income of $27.5 million from our investment in SBR or approximately $40 million of EBITDA. SBR produced an average of 15,100 bpd of renewable diesel in the second quarter. SBR's production was as expected and reflected reduced rates because of a catalyst change completed in April. Although it has only been a few months since installation of the new catalyst, we are encouraged by the improved performance we are seeing and expect to achieve a longer runtime. On the market side, we are seeing robust margins for renewable diesel, which are being driven by globally high diesel and margins combined with elevated RINs pricing. PBF's cash from operations for the quarter was $1.6 billion, which includes a working capital benefit of approximately $430 million.

Joe Marino
Joe Marino
CFO at PBF Energy

The working capital benefit was expected in the second quarter and was driven by a reduction in above-average inventory levels from the first quarter, as well as benefits from our net payable position in a higher price environment. We are now at normalized inventory levels, and the working capital headwind from the first quarter has reversed. Going forward, working capital fluctuations will depend largely on movements in commodity prices and inventory levels that may vary due to operational needs. Cash invested in consolidated CapEx for the second quarter was $189 million, which includes refining, corporate, and logistics. This amount excludes second-quarter capital of approximately $56 million related to the Martinez rebuild. Q2 capital expenditures are slightly below expectations as a result of our decision to shift the scheduled hydrocracker turnaround at Martinez from the end of the second quarter to the end of the third quarter.

Joe Marino
Joe Marino
CFO at PBF Energy

On that note, we reduced our total capital expenditure guidance for 2026 by approximately $75 million to $850 million at the midpoint of our revised guidance. This is primarily a result of the decision to move the Q4 Toledo and Chalmette turnaround to 2027. We ended the quarter with $894 million in cash and approximately $855 million in net debt. At quarter end, our net debt to cap was 15%. During the second quarter, PBF reduced net debt by over 62% by fully paying down borrowings on our asset-backed lending facility and refinancing $802 million of senior notes due 2028 using available cash and proceeds from the issuance of $500 million of senior notes due 2034, an aggregate gross debt reduction of over $1 billion.

Joe Marino
Joe Marino
CFO at PBF Energy

As we mentioned a moment ago, subsequent to the end of the quarter, we entered into an agreement with Air Products to acquire two hydrogen plants at our Torrance refinery. This transaction will be financed with an amortizing seller's note. Upon closing of the transaction, this note will appear as incremental debt in our capital structure. The transaction is subject to regulatory review and customary closing conditions and is expected to be finalized in the third quarter. As mentioned over the past several quarters, our capital allocation framework rests on three core elements: invest in the business, invest in our balance sheet, and shareholder returns. We continue to invest in our assets to improve efficiency and reliability. We have made significant progress in just a short time with our balance sheet, but the work there is not done.

Joe Marino
Joe Marino
CFO at PBF Energy

We operate in a cyclical business. Our intention is to continue investing in our balance sheet to ensure we are able to adeptly navigate the next cycle in our industry. Through our deleveraging over the last several months, we believe we have delivered significant equity value to our investors. We're intent on maximizing value across the entire refining cycle. While returning capital remains an important pillar in our framework, we believe ensuring our refining assets remain competitive and maintaining a strong balance sheet enhances long-term shareholder returns by reducing risk and increasing strategic flexibility. Operator, we've completed our opening remarks. We'd be pleased to take any questions.

Operator

Thank you. In a moment, we will open the call for questions. The company requests that all callers limit each turn to one question and one follow-up. You may rejoin the queue with additional questions. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. The first question comes from Manav Gupta with UBS. Please go ahead.

Manav Gupta
Manav Gupta
Analyst at UBS

Matt, Joe, congrats to the entire team. A very strong quarter. The way things are going, probably 3Q would be a replica of 2Q, if not better. My first question to you was, you talked about refining taking a lot longer to normalize. As you mentioned, over 5 MMbbl of capacity has been offline for a sustained time. We don't know when this reopens. There is a possibility that global product inventories would have depleted significantly before things start to normalize. One, I wanted to understand from you the timeframe of the normalization, but the bigger question I'm trying to ask is, there are refineries that have been damaged. There are refineries that have been damaged in Russia, by Ukraine.

Manav Gupta
Manav Gupta
Analyst at UBS

Even when flows fully normalize, do you see a scenario where the mid-cycle has moved up because the global supply routes have been impacted, global supply has been impacted? If you could talk about some of those dynamics, I would be very grateful.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Thanks, Manav, I agree with everything you commented on, obviously every cycle is different, you relate it back to mid-cycle. In this cycle, I see the floor has been risen unquestionably. The consequence of all the damage, I think it could be a long time. It is almost unimaginable working in this industry, certainly in places like Russia where you're sort of under attack. It's impossible for us to predict exactly how long, but it certainly seems that the consequence of these conflicts is acute in the refining business, and I think it's going to take a considerable amount of time. I haven't quantified that exactly, but certainly you're well into 2027, before it's even possible to get inventories normalized under sort of normal economic conditions. Tom, would you make any other?

Tom Nimbley
Tom Nimbley
Non-Executive Chairman of the Board at PBF Energy

Yeah, Matt, I think just in terms of adding that, I think it almost goes back to sort of the prepared remarks, right? In terms of the preview that we saw when the MoU was signed, in terms of obviously there was a correction in crude, there was a correction in margins. Quite quickly, margins found a floor and started to move back up just because if we get really back to the question over really is the refining capacity that's currently offline. Obviously when that comes back, I think it's certainly we've seen it in terms of knowing that it is just about crude. That is, normalization is sort of in the weeks to months timeframe. When it comes to products, that's certainly in the months to quarters. Just expanding upon that just a little bit, but very consistent thoughts.

Manav Gupta
Manav Gupta
Analyst at UBS

Perfect. Guys, my second question is your net debt to capitalization special items was 36% in 1Q. You dropped it to 15% in 2Q. You talked a little bit about the cash generation in July. You would be in a net cash position by the end of third quarter, if not the fourth quarter. I'm just trying to understand how much cash would you like to build on the balance sheet, and you should, after which you would also say, "Okay, this is just too much cash. We probably should go back and look at some of our buybacks or something." If you could talk a little bit about shareholder returns once you have gotten to your net cash position.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Yeah. Look, I think you made a comment. It would certainly appear that the third quarter is stronger from a margin perspective than the second quarter, we've been tracking a bit ahead. That being said, we don't know what's going to happen, I think I've made this point historically. We don't like to openly speculate about money that we haven't earned yet. Prospectively, it looks very, very constructive, indeed, I believe we will be able to get our balance sheet potentially to a place that it's never been, that's where we're focused on at the moment.

Manav Gupta
Manav Gupta
Analyst at UBS

Thank you so much. Congrats on a great quarter.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Joe Laetsch with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Joe Laetsch
Joe Laetsch
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Morning, Matt and team. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to go back to the refining macro, just building on your opening comments. Could you just talk a bit more about how the commercial organization is navigating the disruption? Could you also just talk about what you're seeing from a physical, financial, market perspective, freight rate impact, and maybe where you're seeing some of the biggest dislocations currently. Thank you.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Sure. One comment I would make is that the last couple of months have been a bit more calm than the first couple of months. That being said, they're obviously extraordinary markets with massive volatility. Tom, do you want to make a comment, then Paul?

Tom Nimbley
Tom Nimbley
Non-Executive Chairman of the Board at PBF Energy

Yeah. I think in terms of just examining the market, right, number one, we have concerns about buying crude every day, even in a tight market. In terms of obviously the environment certainly has raised the sort of risk factor on procuring crude. As we've gone through the cycles of this, right, there's been something that we've yet to see a scenario where we've had to impact our refining operations materially due to a lack of avails, right? It's one of those things, we constantly are evaluating it. Certainly, I think you can probably add that there's a little bit more of sort of upside skew, and certainly on the diesel side of the equation. Obviously, we're in the midst of hurricane season right now, which could have a potentially dramatic effect upon both products and crude, right?

Tom Nimbley
Tom Nimbley
Non-Executive Chairman of the Board at PBF Energy

If we go back to Hurricane Harvey, right? It's quite easy to forget just the impact that had on U.S. crude exports and how much crude backed up into the mid-continent and Cushing inventories rebuilt at that timeframe.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Paul, do you want to make a comment in regards to how everyone's hand-to-mouth in this environment?

Paul Davis
Paul Davis
SVP of Supply, Trading, and Optimization at PBF Energy

Sure. Look, the market structure is telling you what everybody should be doing because the backwardations that we see on products, inclusive of the backwardation we see on crudes, everything is hand-to-mouth. We have dynamic product demands in the Gulf Coast across the docks. We're participating in that. We have export demand out of the East Coast. We're participating in that. Inventories across the PADDs are at the lowest levels we've seen in many years. Primary goal for our commercial team is to keep the refineries full on the inbound and make sure we're empty on the outbound every single day.

Joe Laetsch
Joe Laetsch
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

That's helpful. Thank you. I wanted to just talk a little bit about your comments around delaying some turnarounds to 2027. It sounds like you were able to get in and assess Toledo during some unplanned downtime last quarter. Maybe more broadly, are you seeing longer duration between turnaround intervals and just given how fast the data technology and monitoring landscape is evolving, has there any change to how you're thinking about planning turnarounds going forward?

Mike Bukowski
Mike Bukowski
SVP and Head of Refining at PBF Energy

Yeah, Joe, this is Mike. The short answer to your question is yes. As part of RBI, we've taken a three or four-prong approach to turnaround improvement, a piece of that is turnaround interval optimization. We're certainly looking at techniques such as risk-based inspection and other opportunities to really set durations. We're optimizing that against capabilities of refineries in terms of the contractor manpower available at a given location, the size of the turnaround. As you delay turnarounds, they tend to get bigger. We're optimizing against those types of things. In general, yes, interval optimization is a key piece of what we're doing, I would say that the industry's been looking at that for the past several years, we're approaching some limits in terms of that just based on capabilities of manpower.

Joe Laetsch
Joe Laetsch
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

That all makes sense. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Phillip Jungwirth with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Phillip Jungwirth
Phillip Jungwirth
Analyst at BMO Capital Markets

Thanks. Good morning. PBF had initially budgeted $235 million, $250 million of capital projects for 2026. I was just hoping you could remind us the nature of these, and more importantly, is this an area where you could see more investment in the future given the stronger margin environment for refining, which we think should last for some time?

Joe Marino
Joe Marino
CFO at PBF Energy

Yeah, that's really included within our budget for turnaround safety and regulatory spend. There's a piece of that roughly $50 million-$100 million that is discretionary growth, but we'd continue to evaluate that as the market changes and obviously be looking for opportunities always to increase reliability and efficiencies of our system.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

I think the focus of the company is obviously safe, reliable, responsible operations. We talk about that all the time. We must be efficient, and as such, where our RBI program has been highlighted. It's upon us. Our job is not done. We must make improvements on our margin capture. If we're able to do that, it doesn't always require a tremendous amount of capital. That's just always evaluating your plan and making sure not only are you running efficiently from a cost side, but from an operations side and capturing all of that margin. When you stack all these things in regards to positive markets, reduced cost structure, improving margin capture, reduced interest expense, really deepening the keel of PBF operating through all different cycles.

Mike Bukowski
Mike Bukowski
SVP and Head of Refining at PBF Energy

Yeah, I would also add, we consciously chose to look at our cost structure first because we felt like that our base case was not optimized. As you start getting to a point where you kind of see and achieve the efficiencies that you expected to get, you start to see open up new opportunities in terms of margins. For instance, relative to the comments we made in the prepared remarks, getting that energy efficiency improvement now opens up different opportunities where you can take advantage of that, and it starts to identify constraints or remove constraints that you didn't see you had before and presents opportunities to drive margin improvement. I would expect to see us to drive in that direction.

Phillip Jungwirth
Phillip Jungwirth
Analyst at BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. Then any reason the Paulsboro crude unit turnaround can't also be pushed? Just for PBF, is there any ability or consideration to bring back idled units here, FCC, Alky unit, delayed coker? More broadly, do you think there's much opportunity for the industry to really bring back shuttered or mothballed refining capacity?

Mike Bukowski
Mike Bukowski
SVP and Head of Refining at PBF Energy

In terms of Paulsboro, obviously we look at every turnaround individually based on market considerations, there are some constraints that we have in terms of equipment inspections and mechanical integrity deadlines that really forestall us from being able to move that. That's going to stay in place In terms of idled units in Paulsboro, we're always looking at ways to optimize that facility in conjunction with our Delaware City refinery. There are no short-term plans to bring back any units at that point in time. In terms of the rest of the industry, it really depends on situational, how well the units were put away or put up, and the cost associated with bringing them back.

Mike Bukowski
Mike Bukowski
SVP and Head of Refining at PBF Energy

It would also take a really good understanding and a commitment of what the market's going to do longer term, because it does take an awful long time to restart idle units, especially ones that have been down for a significant period of time.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Yeah, I think there's no question that the duration of the current cycle we're in, I think could be at an extended period of time. That being said, the duration when you're looking at bringing on new equipment, generally exceeds any one cycle. So the math is a bit more complicated.

Phillip Jungwirth
Phillip Jungwirth
Analyst at BMO Capital Markets

Makes sense. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Hello, Neil?

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

We'll come back to Neil. We'll go to the next call.

Operator

All right. Thank you. The next question comes from Doug Leggate with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Doug Leggate
Doug Leggate
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Good morning, everyone. I'll take that. How are you doing, Matt?

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

I'm doing good.

Doug Leggate
Doug Leggate
Analyst at Wolfe Research

It must be very gratifying to you to have all your facilities running in these times. Congratulations on getting everything up. You have a bit of a unique situation insofar as your market cap is a little under $7 billion. You're probably headed towards, if our numbers are anywhere close to being right, to wiping out your balance sheet on a net basis by potentially in the next quarter or two, which puts you in a position where the level of cash flow you're generating, albeit you could argue peak margins or whatever, you could take out a lot of your stock. My question is, we don't know how long this is going to last. Why wouldn't you consider hedging?

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

We look at hedging every day, it's a very reasonable question. I will say there are times where if you get carried away, you can cut off the tops. It would have been a very reasonable thing three months ago to say, "Let's hedge it all." It would have been at a very, very attractive margin, we would have gotten our face ripped off because it's plowed through it.

Doug Leggate
Doug Leggate
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Right.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Look, we deliver the crack to our investors. Are there times around the edges or where we want to protect downside risk? We certainly have a very, very robust risk management business. I can ask Tom to comment as well. We do participate in the forward markets, but we also want to deliver the crack to our investor. Tom?

Tom Nimbley
Tom Nimbley
Non-Executive Chairman of the Board at PBF Energy

Yeah, Doug, this certainly is a unique opportunity that is sort of being presented. When you look at the forward curves, you are looking at margins that are certainly well above mid-cycle. Particularly when you look at distillate and obviously another sort of tailwind behind that has been a reasonable correction in the price of RINs as you look at that. Certainly there is some element of then when you're just examining U.S. cracks, remember that obviously we still have quite an elevated RVO, and that's certainly something that needs to be taken into contemplation as well.

Doug Leggate
Doug Leggate
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Understand that. I thought it was, as I say, the scale of your business, your beta, if you like, it puts you in a bit of a unique situation. I'm going to try this one, but I don't know if you can answer it, Matt. Can you frame for us at least the magnitude of what you think that remaining insurance income could be or cash flow? Order of magnitude? Would that be too precise?

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Sure. Here's my expectation. My expectation is I think there's going to be one more payment. I think it's going to be very similar to the last payment. My hope would be that by the time we talk on our next earnings call, it'll be in-house. That will put a bow on the whole situation.

Doug Leggate
Doug Leggate
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Yeah. Well, we'll be happy to see that. Thanks, guys. Appreciate the answers.

Operator

Thank you. The final question comes from Alexa Bruneau with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Alexa Bruneau
Alexa Bruneau
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Hey, team, and thanks for taking our question. We wanted to ask on the West Coast, your margins there were particularly strong this quarter. Can you just talk about some of the regional dynamics and product pricing trends? Then at Martinez, now that the facility's transitioned back to full operation, any update on the current status of some of the ongoing agency investigations and any outlook there?

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

Okay. On the latter part first, nothing new there. I must say, and again, the crisis for California started well before disruptions in the world with the amount of refining capacity that's come off. We have had a much better and more collaborative process with the state in varying degrees between regulators and politicians, and the folks in Sacramento. There's nothing to report there. In regards to California, broadly in terms of the marketplace, and we've talked a lot about this. Obviously, a significant amount of gasoline and jet has to be imported into the state. It has to attract that, and there's real cost to get it there. Those real costs are coming on either historically on a boat from very far away. If that's replaced in the future by a pipe that's inland, that will still have a significant cost.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

We've historically talked about a $12-$13, $10-$15 cost to import products into the state. It has to elevate to that level to attract those barrels. We think that's going to be really attractive for our business going forward. Products are only half the story. If you look at the last quarter, it's been less than that, and obviously there's been Jones Act waivers. That's helped alleviate these temporary waivers, and I expect they will be temporary during this Middle East conflict. That's been able to sort of reduce some of the temperature. That's been helpful. In regards to the crude side, at Torrance, we're increasing our domestic California crude runs 25,000, 30,000 bpd.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

We have our own proprietary logistics system in California. We've seen volumes on our M-70 pipeline that were closer to 60,000 bpd prior to some of the closures. Now averaging about 90,000 bpd. Importantly, we still have room on our M-70 pipeline. We've seen production come online, which is more crude supply into the state, which has been helpful, certainly on differentials. I think PBF is uniquely positioned with our M-70 pipeline that services our refinery. You're sort of getting it on both ends. We expect the marketplace to be constructive because they desperately need the products. You have to import almost 1/3 of your gasoline. It is a massive lift.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

That's sort of the marketplace. We highlight any legal developments that's always in the queue. You can always see any updates there as well.

Alexa Bruneau
Alexa Bruneau
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Thanks. We appreciate that. Just a follow-up, can you just talk about how you're managing your RINs purchasing strategy? Do you expect any regulatory relief or structural changes in the market there?

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

All right. Well, this is good it's the last question. For those that are not interested, you can go get your glass of water or the bathroom now because I can get on my soapbox on that one. Tom, why don't you manage the first part in regards to how we procure the RINs?

Tom Nimbley
Tom Nimbley
Non-Executive Chairman of the Board at PBF Energy

Yeah. Alexa, on a daily basis, just always remember, that SBR is producing D4, so we're taking those in. Then we're just actively managing our position in the marketplace. There's certainly been some improvements and advancements sort of in the derivatives of RINs, so there's been a few things that we've been looking at in terms of that. Without getting into absolute specifics, for us, it's certainly the acquisition and different things about RINs is sort of status quo, and I think it's really sort of the recent correction in RINs that presents a new opportunity because with the perception that there's going to be some small refinery exemptions are going to come into the marketplace, and that has knocked prices down by 10%-15%, even in the last two weeks.

Tom Nimbley
Tom Nimbley
Non-Executive Chairman of the Board at PBF Energy

Keep in mind also is that the balances were so constructive in terms of the draw in the RIN bank that certainly the advancements in the financial aspects. It's been a market that has really gotten itself a little bit crowded long in terms of where the spec community has come in acquiring RINs in the marketplace. That I think has contributed also to the most recent sell-off.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

As Tom's highlighted itself, it's spot on and so that's helpful, but let's put it in perspective. The RFS program is still imposing $14 a barrel of cost, and much of that is being borne by the consumer. Unfortunately, there's still inequity in the program, and so, with the winners and losers in that trade-off, PBF is still bearing a significant cost as a result of that.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

The fear is, and I've talked about this before, and my thinking has evolved a bit and in some degree it's worse. I've talked about how the program, with the volumes that the administration has put on, the volume breaks where it becomes insolvent, that you don't have enough RINs in the RIN bank to satisfy the program. Therefore, the only way to satisfy that, because if you can't buy the RIN, you can't produce gasoline, is to throttle supply. Obviously, that would be a disaster in today's marketplace. My thinking has evolved a bit on it as you sort of learn more, is well, no, it's actually there are significant bio-based barrels in the world that are being sent to Europe or other places.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

The problem is, if we need to meet these mandates over this year and into next year, we have to attract those barrels out of Europe and other places. Europe also has mandates. It's like a reverse vortex of racing.

Alexa Bruneau
Alexa Bruneau
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Thanks.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

To the top or escalating costs to get the program satisfied. We continue to talk to people in Washington about it. It is the single easiest thing they can do to adjust the price of gasoline today. We'll continue to have those conversations. The reality is, you can fix the RFS price without impacting ag volumes, where you don't have to lower corn consumption or soybean. By the way, soybean oil, there's more soybean oil going now into fuel, than into food, which is sort of hard to wrap your mind around. You can adjust the RFS and improve prices without impacting the farmers. With that.

Alexa Bruneau
Alexa Bruneau
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Thank you.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

we'll leave that there. Anything else?

Alexa Bruneau
Alexa Bruneau
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Thanks. That was very helpful. We'll turn it back.

Matt Lucey
Matt Lucey
President and CEO at PBF Energy

I appreciate it. I think with that concludes the questions for today. We appreciate everyone's participation. It truly is an extraordinary moment for our company, and we greatly look forward to talking to you again at the end of the third quarter. Thanks.

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