NGL Energy Partners Q1 2027 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Fiscal 2027 adjusted EBITDA guidance was raised by $10 million to $725 million–$735 million after consolidated first-quarter adjusted EBITDA rose nearly 30% year over year to $186.2 million.
  • Positive Sentiment: Water Solutions delivered record physical disposal volumes of 3.32 million barrels per day, up 19.6% year over year, while contracted volumes and higher skim-oil revenue drove segment adjusted EBITDA up 26% to $179.9 million.
  • Positive Sentiment: NGL signed more than 200,000 barrels per day of new volume commitments during the quarter and plans to develop another 300,000 barrels per day of contracted capacity this fiscal year, supporting continued growth into fiscal 2028.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Growth capital spending is expected to exceed $200 million this fiscal year and will be concentrated in the first half, keeping long-term debt relatively flat before leverage declines in the second half.
  • Positive Sentiment: Management expects to redeem approximately 50% of the remaining Class D preferreds this fiscal year and said a common-unit distribution could potentially be reinstated in fiscal 2027, while also evaluating another large water pipeline and future M&A.
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NGL Energy Partners Q1 2027
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Operator

Welcome to the NGL Energy Partners 1Q 2027 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Brad Cooper, CFO. You may begin.

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

Good afternoon. Thank you to everyone for joining us on the call today. Our comments today will include plans, forecasts, and estimates that are forward-looking statements under the U.S. securities law. These comments are subject to assumptions, risks, and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from the forward-looking statements. Please take note of the cautionary language and risk factors provided in our presentation materials and our other public disclosure materials. We are pleased to report a strong start to fiscal 2027 and continued execution on our multi-year strategy of de-leveraging the balance sheet through high-return water growth projects. This positions the partnership to continue to address the Class D preferreds later this fiscal year. During the first quarter, we hit record-produced water volumes, physically disposing of approximately 3.32 MMbpd during the first quarter, growing 19.6% from the first quarter of fiscal 2026.

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

The record water volumes also generated record Water Solutions adjusted EBITDA for a single quarter. We are seeing the growth capital spend and the 500,000 barrels per day of producer commitments signed in fiscal 2026 flowing through our fiscal 2027 financials. These results validate the highly accretive investments we made throughout fiscal 2026 and further demonstrate the strength of the long-term customer commitments supporting our business. We believe fiscal 2028 could mirror this fiscal year as we continue to execute on additional growth capital projects in the first half of fiscal 2027. During the quarter, we executed the LEX II Extension project, expanding the current long-haul LEX Pipeline System to 81 mi with a capability to transport approximately 560,000 barrels per day of produced water from Eddy and Lea counties in New Mexico to Andrews County in Texas.

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

The LEX II Extension is underwritten by a newly executed long-term volume commitment contract that includes increased volume commitments and an additional four-township committed area in Eddy County. The LEX II Extension is expected to be in service by the end of this calendar year. This contract, along with additional volume commitments recently executed, brings our total produced water volume commitments to approximately 1.77 MMbpd, roughly 53% of our total volumes. Permitted injection capacity increased by approximately 200,000 barrels during the first quarter of fiscal 2027. This brings our total permitted capacity up to 5.62 MMbpd. With the additional growth projects planned for this fiscal year, we will be adding to this capacity.

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

We continue to improve the credit profile of our customer base, with over 90% of our produced water delivered from investment-grade counterparties and over 85% of our trailing 12 adjusted EBITDA generated from our Water Solutions segment. We reduced leverage in the first quarter, even with our growth capital spend heavily weighted to the first half of this fiscal year. We expect the delevering trend to continue the remainder of the fiscal year while we manage our growth capital spend and liquidity. With our outperformance this quarter and the confidence we have in our customers' execution, we are raising the fiscal 2027 adjusted EBITDA guidance by $10 million from $715 million-$725 million to the new guidance range of $725 million-$735 million.

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

Turning to our quarterly results, our consolidated adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations for the quarter came in at $186.2 million versus $143.9 million in the prior first quarter, nearly 30% higher than the prior first quarter. This increase was primarily driven by the performance of our Water Solutions business segment. Water Solutions adjusted EBITDA was $179.9 million in the first quarter versus $142.9 million in the prior first quarter, a 26% increase. For the quarter, Water Solutions generated 91% of the EBITDA for the partnership. Physical water disposal volumes were 3.32 MMbpd in the first quarter versus 2.77 MMbpd in the prior year first quarter, a 19.6% increase. Total volumes we were paid to dispose, that includes deficiency volumes, were 3.43 MMbpd in the first quarter versus 3.06 MMbpd in the prior year first quarter.

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

Total volumes we were paid to dispose of were up approximately 12% first quarter of fiscal 2027 over the first quarter of fiscal 2026. The increase in EBITDA is primarily driven by higher disposal volumes from contracted producer customers and skim oil revenue due to significantly higher skim oil volumes. The skim oil volumes are driven by an increase in physical water volumes disposed. We also saw a slight increase to the skim oil percentage, and we benefited from higher crude prices during the quarter on the unhedged skim oil barrels. Operating expenses for the quarter on a per-barrel basis were lower by $0.01 when compared to the same quarter the previous year. For the first quarter, our operating expenses in the Water Solutions segment was $0.21 per barrel. The increase in volume will continue to dilute the fixed cost component of our cost structure over time.

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

We have continuous conversations with the producers to monitor activity levels and the potential impacts the macro backdrop could have on our Water Solutions segment. Even with the macro volatility, we continue to have a high level of interest in takeaway and disposal capacity and have signed over 200,000 barrels per day in volume commits this quarter alone. Crude Oil Logistics adjusted EBITDA was $8.96 million in the first quarter of fiscal 2027 versus $9.6 million in the prior year's first quarter. During the quarter, volumes on the Grand Mesa Pipeline averaged approximately 74,000 barrels per day, compared to 55,000 barrels per day for the first quarter of 2026. Liquids Logistics adjusted EBITDA was $10.3 million the first quarter versus $2.9 million in the prior first quarter. The largest driver for the increase year-over-year was additional contracted activity through our few remaining butane terminals.

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

This is adjusted for the previously announced asset sales that closed in the prior year quarter. The primary EBITDA contributor of the Liquids Logistics segment going forward will be our butane blending business. Recall that a majority of that EBITDA from this segment occurs in the back half of the fiscal year. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to our CEO, Mike Krimbill.

Mike Krimbill
Mike Krimbill
CEO at NGL Energy Partners

Thanks, Brad. Well, obviously, this was a very strong quarter, and if it continues, we anticipate further increases in EBITDA guidance. Operationally, we're experiencing 10% annual growth in our Water Solutions business while margins remain steady. We are focused on performing reliably and consistently for our customers, especially during peak flow back periods. Growth CapEx this fiscal year will exceed $200 million. A significant portion of the EBITDA generated will not be recognized until fiscal 2028. Majority of the capital will be spent in our first two quarters. We will see long-term debt relatively flat until the back half of the year, while leverage decreases each quarter. I would like to talk about the Class Ds here in particular.

Mike Krimbill
Mike Krimbill
CEO at NGL Energy Partners

With respect to these Class Ds outstanding, we have several hundreds of millions of dollars of investment opportunities that are expected to generate a rate of return in excess of the cost of the Class D preferred. Therefore, reducing the Class Ds is not our highest and best use of cash. The holders of this security have an option to put them to us no sooner than January one of 2028. We must prepare for that possibility. Thus, we expect to redeem about 50% of the remaining Class D preferreds this fiscal year and leave the balance outstanding. If they are put to us, they will be easily financed. If they're not put to us, then we can take advantage of these attractive opportunities or further reduce leverage.

Mike Krimbill
Mike Krimbill
CEO at NGL Energy Partners

I think the key here is it is not necessary to eliminate all the Class D preferreds before reinstating the common unit distribution. Looking forward to the next couple of years, we are positioning NGL to potentially build another large-diameter water pipeline, pursue M&A opportunities, and reinstate the common unit distribution. With that, let's break for questions.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary for you to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Once again.

Mike Krimbill
Mike Krimbill
CEO at NGL Energy Partners

Yeah

Operator

Please press star one if you have a question or a comment. The first question comes from Derrick Whitfield with Texas Capital. Please proceed.

Derrick Whitfield
Derrick Whitfield
Analyst at Texas Capital

Good afternoon, all. Congrats on a very strong brand.

Mike Krimbill
Mike Krimbill
CEO at NGL Energy Partners

Thanks, Derrick.

Derrick Whitfield
Derrick Whitfield
Analyst at Texas Capital

With regard to your growth outlook, for Water Solutions, how do you guys view the opportunity set as you see it today for additional growth investments in the Delaware? Sounds like the second half of this year might be somewhat constrained, as you look a little further out, it seems like there's a lot of opportunity that you're assessing today.

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

Doug, you want to take that one?

Doug White
Doug White
EVP of Water Solutions at NGL Energy Partners

Sure, Brad. Thanks, Derrick, for the question. As we presented, we grew by 200,000 barrels a day of new capacity for new deals this last quarter. That capacity, we accelerated that development for those deals because there was a big demand for the water, even in our existing contracts. We're going to develop another 300,000 barrels a day the balance of this year, for a total of 500,000 barrels a day. That is contracted capacity, which is a lot. The growth we're showing this first quarter, we continue to see additional growth through the balance of the year. You look and say, well, there's a little bit of a constraint on the back end of the year. Really, it's the large development, 500,000 barrels a day. It's a pretty big growth number. We expect that capacity to fill up.

Doug White
Doug White
EVP of Water Solutions at NGL Energy Partners

We are working on fiscal 2028 deals as we speak. Really, it's just that timing. It's a timing opportunity here for us. As we continue to develop, we continue to develop faster. Bringing on 16, 18 wells this year, plus all the surface and the pipeline expansions. We're not constrained really by anything in that matter. Really more than anything, it's just execution, and looking to the new deals that are currently in process that will land, we think, prior to fiscal 2028, most likely be in spend and EBITDA in that next fiscal year.

Derrick Whitfield
Derrick Whitfield
Analyst at Texas Capital

Terrific. No, that makes complete sense. As my follow-up, could you maybe speak to the opportunities that you guys are seeing for beneficial reuse and mineral extraction? I'm thinking about that on the back of TPL's water sourcing deal for Chevron and Select's mineral extraction announcement they announced this year and a little bit later last year as well. Are you guys looking, seeing those kinds of opportunities in the marketplace today?

Doug White
Doug White
EVP of Water Solutions at NGL Energy Partners

Yes. I'll take that, Brad. Yes, we are. It's interesting, the past year there was a lot of talk about it. This calendar year, I really think all of us, including our peers, are either in talks, establishing MOUs or moving forward in contracts around both beneficial reuse or mineral extraction. I would say mineral extraction is ahead on the timeline because everyone's been working on lithium and iodine for several years now. We are engaged in those talks, and we expect at some point in the future, we'll be able to talk about those as they firm up. On the beneficial reuse side, once again, the same idea.

Doug White
Doug White
EVP of Water Solutions at NGL Energy Partners

Everyone is in talks with multiple either hyperscalers or data centers that, because of the pushback they've received or are receiving on their developments on groundwater, it's becoming really a self-fulfilling prophecy that produced water is the answer in West Texas around getting these projects off the ground. There are dozens and dozens of these projects out there. We would expect the same as the critical minerals. We're going to make some announcements, as time goes on, around being able to supply that water. We can't forget our TPDES permit through TCEQ. We're kind of growing weary of talking about it, but October will be three years since we applied for it. Our efforts, I think, are going to pay off.

Doug White
Doug White
EVP of Water Solutions at NGL Energy Partners

We expect and have received updates that this month we will receive our permit, and it's going to be a very good permit, and it's going to be a permit that we believe will be economic, which is the first step. If we have an economic permit with things that really run up the tab on the expenses, then you have a gap to fill there, that's where we've been for the last 18 months, I'd say. We think we'll get a good one, and I think others will as well. We have some very exciting projects scoped around that permit, that we can't talk about this time. There's still a lot of competitive advantage out there of being first movers. As time goes on with that as well, I think we'll be able to talk a lot more about it, but we're pretty excited about it.

Derrick Whitfield
Derrick Whitfield
Analyst at Texas Capital

Great. One last for Brad, if I could. Just on the balance sheet, you guys have made meaningful progress and strengthened your balance sheet over the last couple of years. If we look further out on the curve, when might you be, or when you might first kind of be in a position to reinstate your dividend? Because that's a pretty meaningful landmark development when it occurs, and I know that there's a lot of investors who have an interest in that development.

Mike Krimbill
Mike Krimbill
CEO at NGL Energy Partners

Sure. Well, Derrick, we've been hesitant to talk about it till we could really see the light at the end of the tunnel. If we get rid of about half of these D's this fiscal year, I think a distribution reinstatement comes back on the table. It'll just be more perhaps a leverage question, how much capital do we have to spend for these big EBITDA opportunities that would be better on the short-term spend building something than paying out a distribution. I think what's significant is this is the first call we've talked about it, and we see it possibly happening in 2027.

Derrick Whitfield
Derrick Whitfield
Analyst at Texas Capital

Terrific. Again, hats off to you guys on progress on all parts of your business and the balance sheet. Thanks for your time.

Mike Krimbill
Mike Krimbill
CEO at NGL Energy Partners

Thanks, Derrick.

Operator

The next question comes from Gregg Brody with Bank of America. Please proceed.

Gregg Brody
Gregg Brody
Analyst at Bank of America

Good afternoon, guys, and thanks for the update. You listed M&A in those three pillars between building another pipeline and dividends. Can you talk a little bit about the environment out there and, is that something that's likely given all the organic growth opportunities you have?

Mike Krimbill
Mike Krimbill
CEO at NGL Energy Partners

In the water space, just like others, consolidation makes sense, but there just aren't a lot of competitors. We are preparing ourselves for that opportunity. We are not in discussions with anyone, but clearly in M&A, and one reason we haven't been involved is we didn't have a lot of extra cash to do an all-cash deal. Doing a deal with equity, we were not excited, and I don't think our shareholders, unitholders wanted us to give away $10 equity. I think as our equity price increases, then it's more accretive, using an old term, to get back in the M&A game.

Gregg Brody
Gregg Brody
Analyst at Bank of America

Got it. Then, you highlighted getting down to about half the Ds. You think you can bring that into your capital structure. You're just assuming you can get to the leverage number so you can potentially raise more secure debt, or are you thinking about potentially the unsecured bond market at some point?

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

No, I think it'd just be incremental debt, and/or asset sales could clean up that half of the Ds that Mike spoke to. Kind of the same strategy we've been deploying here the last couple of years. Line of sight to being four times levered at the end of this fiscal year, we would be in position to do something if the market was there for us to chip away at the Ds some more.

Gregg Brody
Gregg Brody
Analyst at Bank of America

Got it. Just remind us, the four times leverage, you're excluding the preferred from that, correct?

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

Yeah, correct. That's just through the debt. That's correct.

Gregg Brody
Gregg Brody
Analyst at Bank of America

Great. Last, Brad, for you. I saw you sold about $12 million of assets this quarter. In what business was that in? Was that part of Liquids Logistics or Oil Logistics?

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

I just think that's some line fill that got monetized when a crude contract rolled off. It wasn't a hard physical asset in the liquids business or anything like that, just a timing of line fill. We sold and received the cash this quarter.

Gregg Brody
Gregg Brody
Analyst at Bank of America

Great. Thanks for the time, guys.

Operator

We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I will now turn the call over to Brad Cooper for closing remarks.

Brad Cooper
Brad Cooper
CFO at NGL Energy Partners

Yeah. Thanks everyone for your interest in NGL today. We look forward to catching up with you in early November during our second quarter call for 2027. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

Executives
    • Brad Cooper
      Brad Cooper
      CFO
    • Mike Krimbill
      Mike Krimbill
      CEO
    • Doug White
      Doug White
      EVP of Water Solutions
Analysts