B. Riley Financial Q2 2026 Earnings Report

B. Riley Financial EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.45
• Consensus EPS: N/A
• Beat/Miss: N/A
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

B. Riley Financial Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $239.36 million
• Expected Revenue: N/A
• Beat/Miss: N/A
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

B. Riley Financial Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q2 2026
• Date: 8/6/2026
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, August 6, 2026
• Conference Call Time: 4:30PM ET

B. Riley Financial (NASDAQ:RILY) is a diversified financial services company that provides investment banking, institutional brokerage, wealth management, asset management and related advisory services. Through its operating businesses, the company serves corporations, institutional investors, high-net-worth individuals, private equity sponsors and other financial market participants.

Its businesses have included B. Riley Securities, which offers investment banking, equity research, sales and trading, and corporate finance services; B. Riley Wealth Management, which provides investment and financial planning services; and B. Riley Asset Management, which manages investment strategies for institutions and other clients. The company has also operated principal investment businesses and Great American Group, a provider of appraisal, valuation, liquidation and other asset disposition services.

Founded in 1997 by Bryant R. Riley, B. Riley Financial has expanded through acquisitions and strategic investments across the financial services sector. The company is headquartered in Los Angeles and serves clients primarily in the United States, with certain businesses and transactions involving international markets. Its leadership and business structure have changed over time, reflecting the company’s evolving portfolio of financial services operations.

B. Riley Financial Q2 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Positive Sentiment: B. Riley reported a strong second quarter, with $18.5 million of net income attributable to common shareholders, $66 million of operating adjusted EBITDA, and revenue up $14 million year over year to $239 million.
• Positive Sentiment: Capital markets activity improved as institutional accounts reactivated, senior producers joined or returned to the firm, and ATM fees more than doubled sequentially. Management said the investment-banking pipeline is meaningfully stronger than a year ago, particularly in AI infrastructure, power, and BDC capital raising.
• Positive Sentiment: Debt reduction lowered total debt by $497 million from December 2024 to $1.277 billion at June 30, while net debt declined to approximately $285 million. Management said it expects to address more than $300 million of senior-note maturities due in September and December using a combination of cash, investments, asset sales, and other capital actions.
• Negative Sentiment: The company faces substantial near-term liquidity demands, including the 2026 note maturities and subsidiary-facility paydowns, and management declined to rule out exchanges or capital raises. Preferred dividends also remain unpaid, with executives saying capital will currently be directed toward higher-return uses instead of restoring cash dividends.
• Negative Sentiment: Results remain exposed to volatile investment marks, particularly Babcock & Wilcox and carried interest tied to SpaceX funds; second-quarter trading gains fell year over year because of a lower Babcock & Wilcox fair value. Targus also continued to report an operating loss, including a $6 million segment loss in the quarter.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good afternoon, welcome to the BRC Group Holdings second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode for the duration of the prepared remarks. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO. Mr. Riley, please go ahead.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Thank you to everyone for joining us today. Joining me on the call are Tom Kelleher, our Co-CEO, and Scott Yessner, our Chief Financial Officer. This quarter builds on the momentum for our platform we have demonstrated over the last 12 months. We reported second quarter net income available to common shareholders of $18.5 million and delivered $66 million in operating adjusted EBITDA, making this our best core operating quarter in nearly three years. These results demonstrate the underlying earnings power of our core operating units. Over the trailing 12 months, we generated net income attributable to common shareholders of $404 million and operating adjusted EBITDA of $182 million. Our execution strategy for B. Riley Securities and B. Riley Wealth remains straightforward, deepening client relationships and extending our reach. We are executing on that front. During the quarter, we added five senior producers, including welcoming back B. Riley Securities alumni.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

In my mind, there's no stronger validation of our culture than bringing experienced talent back. During the quarter, we successfully reactivated several key institutional accounts that have been inactive over the past year, with positive engagement continuing into July. This, combined with higher secondary commission revenues, highlights our continued progress in further strengthening our franchise. Our relationship-driven execution is anchored by our long-tenured sales and trading team, who are traditional idea generators with decades of experience, and our publishing research analysts, who are the caretakers of our brand. In investment banking, favorable markets drove robust overall deal activity. In Q2, we participated in transactions representing $21 billion in aggregate deal value. While larger syndicates in a strong market naturally lower our average economic share per deal, the sheer volume of our participation, anchored by lead mandates, demonstrates our proven execution capabilities and our importance to the issuers.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Within that broader deal participation, we supported combined equity and debt issuances totaling $8.5 billion and served as an agent on new ATM filings representing over $12 billion in aggregate value. We're also seeing our restructuring practice continuing to find meaningful in-court and out-of-court opportunities in this environment. Above all, a value ethos permeates every part of this organization. This is the most evident in our merchant banking approach. We built this firm to execute for the small and mid-cap market and to provide dedicated capital and advice to a space that remains structurally underserved. A core differentiator of our platform is our willingness to actively deploy our balance sheet to solve complex client needs. This includes facilitating structured financing products and driving new originations in our specialty finance direct lending group.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

We operate on the fundamental view that if we are not willing to commit our own capital alongside our clients, we cannot ask the same of our partners. To that end, our cash and investment positions provide us flexibility to pursue opportunities in front of us, and our pipeline of actionable opportunities is substantial. Importantly, we have the capital base and partnerships to support our clients as those opportunities develop. Taken together, our second quarter performance, as well as our trailing 12-month results, are the same as what we have done since our firm's formation nearly 30 years ago, operating as idea generators and serving as trusted advisors to our clients. Our platform is performing as designed, and the alignment continues to drive our results today.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Together, this translates to proven deal execution in capital markets, disciplined operating leverage in wealth management, reliable cash conversion within our communications portfolio, and steady operational progress in our consumer products portfolio. Our focus remains firmly on execution and disciplined capital allocation to deliver for our colleagues, clients, partners, and shareholders. As we look ahead, we believe we have the optionality and the discipline to maximize value, and we will work diligently to execute on all fronts. With that, I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, Scott Yessner, to provide a detailed review of our financial performance. Scott?

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

Thanks, Bryant. I'll share an update on our second quarter and first half 2026 financial performance, segment earnings, investment holdings, capital, and liquidity. Please refer to our earnings press release for the reconciliation tables and descriptions of non-GAAP calculations in my remarks, including an updated calculation and description to our operating adjusted EBITDA non-GAAP measurement. To start, I would like to walk through our financial performance for the second quarter and first half of 2026. For the second quarter, total revenues were $239 million, an increase of $14 million year-over-year. Included in total revenues was service and fee revenue of $174 million, which increased $27.8 million year-over-year, further comprised of increases of $5.7 million in investment banking and brokerage fees and of $30 million in management fees from carried interest in funds that own SpaceX, partially offset by $5.8 million in lower telecom and other revenues.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

Trading gains in the second quarter were $12.9 million, lower by $14.8 million year-over-year, primarily due to a lower fair value on the Babcock & Wilcox investment. Six-month total revenues were $591 million, an increase of $180 million year-over-year. The increase in the first half total revenues was driven by higher trading gains of $146 million, primarily due to higher trading gains on Babcock & Wilcox investment of $131 million, and by a $21 million increase in service and fee income, which is further comprised of increases of $15 million in investment banking and brokerage fees and a $36 million in SpaceX carried interest management fees, partially offset by $10 million in lower revenues from exited businesses and $12 million lower telecom and other fees. Next, second quarter total operating expenses declined $13.6 million to $201 million.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

The reduction was due to lower SG&A costs across occupancy, legal, and other expenses of $9 million, lower cost of goods sold in services of $7.6 million from lower telecom sales, and lower consumer product cost of goods sold. First half total operating expenses declined $62 million to $400 million for the first half. The reduction was driven by lower SG&A costs across occupancy, legal, and other expenses of $29 million, lower cost of goods sold and services of $9.3 million from telecom, $9.6 million from exited businesses, and $3.2 million from consumer products. Included in our second quarter and first half results are restructuring charges related to the contemplated B. Riley Securities and B. Riley Wealth combination of $1.9 million. Continuing down the income statement, second quarter other income excluding interest expense was $8 million, compared to $88 million in the second quarter of 2025.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

The second quarter 2025 had $44 million in senior note exchange gains, $26 million in JOANN liquidation gains, and $22 million in investment and financial instrument fair value increases comprising the difference year-over-year. First half other income excluding interest expense was $114 million, driven by a $92 million increase in the B&W investment compared to $156 million in the first half of 2025, which included $86 million in income in the sale and deconsolidation of businesses and $55 million in senior note exchange gains. Interest expense declined $6 million to $18 million in the second quarter and declined $16 million to $38 million in the first half year-over-year. The interest expense decline has tracked our total debt reduction of $497 million from December 31st, 2024, to the ending balance of $1.277 billion at June 30th, 2026.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

Concluding, the remaining difference in the second quarter and first half year-over-year financial performance was $69 million and $73 million from income of a discontinued GlassRatner operation booked in 2025. These details culminate with second quarter 2026 net income attributable to common shares of $19 million, diluted income per share of $0.45 per share, adjusted EBITDA of $61 million, and adjusted operating EBITDA of $66 million. In the first half of 2026, net income of $230 million with diluted income per share of $6.47. Adjusted EBITDA was $323 million and adjusted operating EBITDA of $100 million. Next, I'll review our segment operating performance. Please note our former communications segment has been separated into four reportable segments, which we aggregate and describe as the communications business group.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

The capital market segment, which is comprised solely of B. Riley Securities had revenues of $54 million and income of $13 million in the second quarter, and revenues of $226 million and income of $150 million in the first half of 2026. Segment revenue and income for the first half have been driven by a $22 million increase in investment banking and capital markets service and fee income and $136 million in trading gains, primarily from the Babcock & Wilcox investment in the first half of 2026. Next, the wealth segment had revenues of $58 million and income of $18 million in the second quarter, and revenues of $110 million and income of $34 million in the first half of 2026.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

The first half 2026 revenue and profit increases were driven by a $26.4 million increase in the market value of carried interest in a fund that owns SpaceX and an $18 million increase in trading income. The wealth segment ended second quarter with $12 billion in assets under management and 184 financial advisors. The communications business group had aggregate revenues of $58 million and income of $14 million in the second quarter, and revenues of $118 million and income of $27 million in the first half. First half income increased $4.6 million despite a $9 million revenue reduction. Targus, our consumer products segment, had revenues of $44 million and a loss of $6 million in the second quarter, and revenues of $88 million and a loss of $8 million in the first half of 2026. Revenues are $2 million higher in the first half year-over-year.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

Next, I'd like to provide an update on the company's investment holdings portfolio, which is reported on our balance sheet in securities and other investments, loans receivable at fair value, and equity investments. Investments are held across consolidating, where valuation changes are primarily booked as revenue in either trading gains or losses or realized or unrealized gains and losses. At June 30th, 2026, securities and other investments increased $277 million to $724 million from December 31st, 2025. The increase was primarily driven by a $213 million fair value increase in the Babcock & Wilcox investment and a $43 million increase in partnership interest related to our marked value of carried interest in funds that own SpaceX for all the BRC entities with portfolio trades and fair value changes comprising the remainder of the six-month increase.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

Continuing with investment holdings, loan receivables at fair value increased $12 million in the second quarter to an ending balance of $39 million at June 30, 2026. In the quarter, lending activity included approximately $24 million in new fundings.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

Additionally, we received a $1.9 million loan recovery recognized through the income statement and the fair value adjustments on loans. Concluding the investment holdings, equity method investments were $85 million at June 30th, a decline of $5.6 million from December 31st. The GA Group investment comprises $77.8 million of the June 30 balance, with a decline of $5.5 million due to lower seasonal income and retaining cash in lieu of distribution to equity holders. Next, I'll provide an update on our liquidity and capital. At June 30, 2026, cash equivalents, and restricted cash had a total balance of $156 million compared to $229 million at December 31st, 2025. In the second quarter of 2026, B. Riley Corporation reduced debt by $22 million, which included $33 million of bond exchanges with a net $11 million increase in working capital borrowings.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

At June 30th, total debt was $1.3 billion, and net debt declined $87 million to $285 million. For the remainder of 2026, the company has two senior note series maturing, $142 million in principal amount of RILYG senior notes due September 30th, and $164 million in principal amount of RILYG senior notes due on December 31st. We also have $4.5 million in scheduled paydowns on a subsidiary lending facility. We will continue to use capital actions, cash generated from operations, and investment liquidations to fund market opportunities and operating companies while also redeeming the scheduled senior note paydowns. We've had a very strong second quarter and first half of 2026. I'll turn the call over to Tom Kelleher, Co-Chief Executive Officer.

[Tom Kelleher, Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Thanks, Scott. Our second quarter operational performance underscores the strength of our diversified platform and our deliberate execution across key segments. In capital markets, this quarter validated the strategy Bryant described. A meaningful driver was the client-initiated reactivation of several key trading accounts, which contributed to secondary flow. Talent, both newly recruited and internally developed, remains the engine of our execution. Our recruiting pipeline is active, with multiple conversations underway with senior bankers and institutional sales professionals. We are also seeing a strong influx of senior producers interested in returning to the platform. These are professionals who know our culture, have watched our operational turnaround, and are choosing to rejoin. Operationally, what those returns give us is an immediate capacity. Seasoned veterans who need no ramp, arriving with relationships intact, and widening our coverage across products and sectors from day one.

[Tom Kelleher, Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

In investment banking, equity and debt capital market activity increased year-over-year, particularly in small and mid-cap issuance. Our ATM franchise has re-accelerated with ATM fees more than doubling sequentially. Increasingly, issuers are electing us to lead market equity rather than simply support it, and our follow-on conversion rate improved. We continue to see distinct pockets of strength in AI data center infrastructure, power, and BDC capital raising. Our recent financing deal in the AI data center space demonstrated B. Riley Securities capabilities as a provider in AI infrastructure, and the forward pipeline we are seeing here is substantial. Our specialty financing direct lending practice continues to broaden its footprint with existing clients, allowing us to serve them across the full capital life cycle. Finally, our ability to convene the market remains a core differentiator.

[Tom Kelleher, Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

In May, our 26th annual Institutional Investor Conference in Marina del Rey brought issuers and investors together around nearly 180 companies alongside our 15th Big Fighters Big Cause charity boxing gala with the Sugar Ray Leonard Foundation. We also look forward to creating further connections for our institutional partners at our Consumer TMT Conference in New York in September and our annual Convergence Conference in December. In wealth management, while a meaningful part of the first half improvement reflected investment and carried interest activity, we have also stabilized the platform and permanently reset its cost base. The structural work is what positions the reoccurring fee-based business to grow more profitably from here. Operationally, we have delivered structural cost savings by completing key back-office integrations between B. Riley Securities and B. Riley Wealth, consolidating our accounting, finance, and end market teams, and executing a comprehensive firm-wide vendor rationalization.

[Tom Kelleher, Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

More broadly, across both organizations, we are executing a dedicated AI build-out for our teams, integrating AI tools across the platform and back office to lift producer productivity and streamline daily workflows. In our communications business group, which includes Lingo, magicJack, Marconi Wireless, and United Online, the portfolio continues to prove itself as a reliable engine of cash generation. Segment income grew nicely year-over-year, despite a slight top-line decline, in line with expected natural customer attrition. On a combined basis, the group came in ahead of budget for the quarter, driven by operational efficiencies across all units, and we expect the full year 2026 to finish ahead of budget. To provide some historical context, our communications portfolio began in mid-2016 with the acquisition of United Online. Our thesis was simple. Buy mature, late-stage companies with predictable revenues, strong gross margins, and the potential for high cash flows.

[Tom Kelleher, Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Through our selective approach and strict operational oversight, this group has delivered. Between United Online, magicJack, Marconi, BullsEye, and Lingo, we have generated over $1.5 billion in revenue and approximately $300 million in operating income since 2018. A significant achievement considering the combined total enterprise value at acquisition was just under $280 million. Our communications group's operations remain lean, highly efficient, and continue to generate highly predictable cash flows. We continue to look for companies with similar characteristics that can leverage our operational capabilities. Meanwhile, our B2B telecom businesses in the unified communication space remain stable and provide a natural platform for rolling up complementary assets where substantial cost synergies can be realized. Across the group, we generate over $200 million in annual revenues, giving us a meaningful scale to build from.

[Tom Kelleher, Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Finally, in our consumer product segment, which is primarily Targus, we saw targeted distribution channel improvements that helped narrow our segment loss over the first half. We are also taking deliberate action on the cost side, streamlining operations and reducing structural expense to strengthen the underlying business. We remain highly focused on optimizing the long-term value of this asset. Overall, our business segments are execution-focused, generating strong cash flow, and are well positioned for the second half of 2026. Before we open the line, I want to take a moment to directly thank our colleagues. The underlying strength of this platform is a direct reflection of your hard work, resilience, and your unwavering dedication to our clients, both internal and external. You are the engine of this firm, and your efforts are what make our success possible. I will now hand the call back to open the line for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. Once again, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. We will pause here briefly. Our first question is from Kirk with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

[Kirk Ludtke, Analyst at Raymond James]

Hello, Bryant, Tom, Scott. Thank you for the call.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Hi.

[Kirk Ludtke, Analyst at Raymond James]

Congratulations on the quarters. Obviously, we'd all like to hear more about how you plan to address the 2026 maturities. I think Scott mentioned that asset sales may be part of the solution. Curious if there are any other levers you plan to pull, like exchanges, equity offerings. Anything you can share on that front would be helpful.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Thanks. Thanks, Kirk. Thanks for the question. Scott, why don't you take this one? I'll follow up if I have anything to add.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

Great. Thank you so much, Kirk, for joining the call and your question. I think that the way we think about it is creating optionality and options to fund our business and the pay-downs of those debts. While we don't have an explicit set of tactics, we have a number of ways to go about the fundings. We have enough investments in cash to easily fund through the end of the year. The two debt maturities are just over $300 million. We also have to focus our capital towards supporting our investment banking and capital markets businesses. We sort of have in parallel an evaluation of our capital structure to allow our go-forward business and to also pay these down. Looking at our investments and securities, we have $723 million of those securities, along with over $150 million of cash, with $300 million due.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

We can clear the bar fairly comfortably on that. When we think through how we deploy capital, the bonds are definitely in line of sight, and we have clear plans to make that happen. We're also very much focused on optimizing our operating company's investment portfolio and getting cash deployed to the maximum benefit of our shareholders.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Yeah, I think, Kirk, that's right. I don't think I have anything else to add. I would just say that when we look at the big picture over the last couple of years, our net debt got as high as $1.2 billion.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

As of Q2, at the end of Q2, and obviously positions move up and down, it's $286 million. Our trailing 12 months EBITDA is $180 million. By any metric, those leverage ratios are I think pretty good. Clearly, we have liquid investments, we have some less liquid investments, and we have cash. We have really good opportunities to put that cash to work. All those things are balanced, but we have no issue on those maturities.

[Kirk Ludtke, Analyst at Raymond James]

Okay. Thank you. That's great to hear. Do you expect to address them entirely with cash and asset sales? You're not contemplating an exchange or any capital raises?

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Yeah, I think it would be inappropriate, and I've said this on other calls. We have our playbook. The playbook changes based on we live in a very volatile world, and that playbook changes. We're not going to eliminate anything. As a team, we review our assets all the time, and we think through what is the most productive asset to liquidate or where to put our cash. I would tell you that we're going to utilize whatever we think makes sense, and I wouldn't eliminate or over-speculate on any of those things.

[Kirk Ludtke, Analyst at Raymond James]

Okay. That's helpful. Appreciate it. With respect to the capital markets business, you mentioned the pipeline. I know you don't provide guidance, but can you maybe elaborate on how the pipeline looked at June 30th versus, say, same time last year or March quarter or any kind of color as to where the pipeline is for the back half of the year, and maybe if you could elaborate on the mix, like what type of business it is?

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Sure. Let me comment a year ago. A year ago, the noise around our business was pretty loud. There were a number of accounts that had turned off, and we were grinding through that. I think our team was fighting with one hand behind their back. That is totally different now. We cited that a little bit in my comments. We are, I think, taking a much more aggressive approach. We're seeing a lot more activity. What I've really been excited about is during this whole process, our participation in deals was really high. I think we have a very loyal company base that we've been around for a long time. We did see some market share deterioration, and we're going to get that back.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

We have a bought deal I can't talk about today, but we're using our balance sheet to do a bought deal that we're excited about. We're involved in a $100 million deal yesterday. As you know, this is a little bit of at once business, and then there's whether it's M&A or longer-term deals. I think overall, I can't quantify it for you, so I'll just say qualitatively, I feel a lot better about the backlog and opportunities that we see than we did a year ago. It's just a testament to our team and to, as we mentioned, I don't want to under appreciate the people who've been here throughout this because they've been the most meaningful. We are also seeing really important people coming back. That combination puts us in a better place.

[Kirk Ludtke, Analyst at Raymond James]

That's good to hear. Would you say that the sequential trends look like if the market remains receptive, you think that they'll continue into the second half?

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

You've been doing this a long time, I've been doing this a long time, markets can turn off and on. It feels like right now, given the environment, can turn off in a week and turn back on in a week. That's important to us. I think if there's a steady state, then I would feel like we would be higher quarter-over-quarter. It's awfully hard to when you're dealing with such a macro thing that you cannot control, it's hard. The way that we've always run the business is make sure you run it tight, you make sure that you have really good people. When the markets are on, you go after it as hard as you can go after it. The incremental margin of those revenues are meaningful, 50%.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

That's the way we look at it. I'd be making things up if I could tell you with any certainty quarter-over-quarter. I will say that I feel every quarter over the last two years, we are better positioned in the beginning of that quarter than we were the quarter before as we continue to be on a more normalized kind of operations, if that makes sense.

[Kirk Ludtke, Analyst at Raymond James]

Got it. I appreciate it. Thank you. All sounds good. On the preferred, how are you thinking about restoring cash dividends on the preferred?

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

We are all equity holders, we are all here for the equity to go as high as it deserves to go based on our earnings. The preferred is senior to that, we understand that. At this point, I think the best use of our capital are utilizing it for other things. We appreciate that we are behind on those dividends, we understand that, at this point, we're going to utilize our capital where we think we're just going to have higher returns on that capital for now.

[Kirk Ludtke, Analyst at Raymond James]

Okay. Thank you. Last topic, the principal investments, at least some of them are down a bit third quarter to date. Are you hedged in any way on those?

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

No.

[Kirk Ludtke, Analyst at Raymond James]

Okay. Got it. That's all I have. I appreciate it. Thank you.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Okay. Thank you.

[Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings]

Thanks, Kirk.

[Operator]

Thank you, Kirk. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. Our next question is from This concludes the Q&A. I'll turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

[Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings]

Great. Well, again, appreciate. I think we laid it out, our appreciation for, number one, all of our partners at the firm, the loyalty of our client base. We appreciate them for really coming back. We're really excited about the quarters to come, look forward to reporting on them. Thank you very much. We'll talk to you in 90 days. Thank you, operator.

[Operator]

Thank you, Mr. Riley. Before we conclude today's call, I would like to provide the company's safe harbor statement. Please note that today's call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs concerning future developments and their potential effect on the company. Forward-looking statements involve risk and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. We encourage you to review the company's recent filings with the SEC, including the annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, for a more detailed discussion of the risk factors that could impact performance. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during this call, except as required by law. Additionally, non-GAAP financial measures may have been discussed during this call.

[Operator]

Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the earnings release, which is available on the investor relations section of the BRC Group Holdings website. The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Bryant Riley, Chairman, Founder, and Co-CEO

Analysts

• Scott Yessner, CFO at BRC Group Holdings
• Tom Kelleher, Co-CEO at BRC Group Holdings
• Kirk Ludtke, Analyst at Raymond James