U.S. Bancorp Q4 2022 Earnings Results & Report

U.S. Bancorp EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $1.20
• Consensus EPS: $1.11
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.09
• One Year Ago EPS: $1.07
• EPS Beat Rate: 8 of last 8 quarters

U.S. Bancorp Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $6.37 billion
• Expected Revenue: $6.61 billion
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$237.51 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: +12.00%

U.S. Bancorp (NYSE:USB) (NYSE: USB) is a financial services holding company headquartered in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and the parent company of U.S. Bank National Association. U.S. Bank provides banking, lending, payment, investment and wealth-management services to individuals, businesses, institutions and government entities.

The company’s consumer and business banking operations offer deposit accounts, mortgages, home-equity and consumer loans, credit cards, small-business banking and commercial lending. Through its wealth, corporate and institutional businesses, U.S. Bank also provides trust and asset-management services, investment banking, treasury management, foreign exchange, capital markets and institutional custody solutions.

U.S. Bancorp traces its banking heritage to institutions established in the 19th century, including First National Bank of Cincinnati, founded in 1863. The modern company was formed through a series of bank combinations and operates primarily across the United States, with a branch and service presence concentrated in the Midwest, West and other major U.S. markets. Its payment-services businesses also serve clients nationally and internationally.

Gunjan Kedia serves as president and chief executive officer of U.S. Bancorp, while Andy Cecere serves as executive chairman. U.S. Bank is one of the largest commercial banks in the United States and remains the company’s principal operating subsidiary.

U.S. Bancorp Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• This quarter U.S. Bank completed the MUFG Union Bank acquisition on December 1, adding $54 billion of loans, $86 billion of low-cost deposits and new small-business, wealth and payments capabilities in California.
• Reported Q4 diluted EPS was $0.57, or $1.20 adjusted for $0.63 of acquisition-related charges, and management now expects 8%–9% EPS accretion in 2023.
• Legacy operations delivered 230 bps of positive operating leverage in 2022 and net interest income grew 29.2% year-over-year, with Q1 2023 NII guidance up 5–10 bps on the full-quarter benefit of Union Bank’s low-cost deposits.
• Credit quality remains strong: core net charge-offs were 23 bps of loans, nonperforming assets are 0.26% of loans, and the allowance for credit losses holds at 1.91% amid cautious economic assumptions.
• Common Equity Tier 1 ratio ended Q4 at 8.4%, just above targeted levels, and is expected to exceed 9% by year-end 2023, supporting the planned $900 million of cost synergies (35% in 2023) and future capital actions.

Presentation

[Operator]

Welcome to the U.S. Bancorp fourth quarter 2022 earnings conference call. Following a review of the results, there will be a formal question-and-answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press 1, then 0 on your phone. If you'd like to withdraw, please press 1, then 0 again. This call will be recorded and available for replay beginning today at approximately 11:00 A.M. Central Time. I will now turn the conference call over to George Anderson, Senior Vice President and Director of Investor Relations for U.S. Bancorp.

[George Anderson, Senior VP and Director of Investor Relations at U.S. Bancorp]

Thank you, Brad, and good morning, everyone. With me today are Andy Cecere, our Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, and Terry Dolan, our Vice Chair and Chief Financial Officer. During their prepared remarks, Andy and Terry will be referencing a slide presentation. A copy of the presentation, as well as our earnings release and supplemental analyst schedules, are available on our website at usbank.com. I would like to remind you that any forward-looking statements made during today's call are subject to risk and uncertainty. Factors that can materially change our current forward-looking assumptions are described on page two of today's presentation in our press release, our Form 10-K, and in subsequent reports on file with the SEC. Following their prepared remarks, Andy and Terry will take any questions that you have. I will now turn the call over to Andy.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Thanks, George. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. I'll begin on slide 3. This quarter, we completed the acquisition of MUFG Union Bank on December 1st. In the fourth quarter, we reported $0.57 per diluted share or $1.20 after adjusting for notable items related to the acquisition. This was a complex quarter that included 1 month of Union Bank results, merger and integration charges, and balance sheet optimization activity. Terry will provide more details on these notable items. Importantly, we ended the year with a Common Equity Tier 1 ratio of 8.4%, which was just above our expected level at deal close, and we delivered positive operating leverage for U.S. Bancorp legacy operations of 230 basis points for the full year.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Strong year-over-year Pre-tax pre-provision income growth, as adjusted for notable items, was driven by net interest income growth and positive operating leverage. Credit quality remains strong, although credit metrics are starting to normalize as expected. Slide 4 details are reported and adjusted income statement results, as well as end-of-period balances and other performance metrics. End-of-period assets for the company totaled $675 billion, reflecting the acquisition of Union Bank and certain balance sheet optimization actions. Slide 5 highlights key performance ratios. This quarter, we delivered a return on average assets of 1.2%, a return of average common equity of 16.8%, and a return on tangible common equity of 23.4%, each as adjusted for notable items. Turning to Slide 6, the completion of the Union Bank acquisition marked a significant milestone for our company.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

With double-digit % increases in loan and deposit balances, Union Bank adds meaningful scale to our business that enables us to better serve our customers and communities. Union contributes considerable small business and consumer market share in a demographically attractive California market, and we're excited about the potential to deepen existing Union Bank relationships by overlaying our leading digital capabilities and robust product set, including wealth management, consumer and business banking, and payments offerings across a loyal but under-penetrated consumer base. In many ways, this deal underscores our commitment to creating a stronger, more competitive regional banking organization in a rapidly evolving environment. One of the more attractive aspects of this transaction is Union Bank's high-quality, low-cost consumer deposit franchise, which will support continued loan growth and margins. Let me turn the call over now to Terry, who will provide more detail on the quarter.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Thanks, Andy. If you turn to slide 7, as Andy mentioned, we reported diluted earnings per share of $0.57 for the quarter or $1.20 per share after adjusting for notable items related to the acquisition. Notable items related to Union Bank acquisition are comprised of 3 primary elements that reduced earnings per share by $0.63 related to balance sheet optimization, merger and integration costs, and the impacts of provision expense related to acquired loans and actions taken to optimize the balance sheet. During the fourth quarter, the company recognized a 1-time $399 million pre-tax loss on a net basis related to several actions taken to optimize the balance sheet, manage the interest rate volatility impact on capital levels, and position the company for future growth.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Subsequent to obtaining regulatory approval for the transaction, we entered into interest rate hedges to manage rate volatility and its related impact on regulatory capital from the date of approval through the closing the transaction in December. During that timeframe, long-term interest rates increased nearly 50 basis points before declining approximately 65 basis points. The interest rate swaps were terminated at the time of closing, and the losses recognized through earnings largely offset the interest rate marks recorded into the balance sheet through purchase accounting. In addition, the company optimized its balance sheet by selling certain loans and repositioning its investment portfolio on certain equity investments. Within non-interest expenses, we incurred merger and integration-related charges of $90 million that primarily included the impact of specific deal closing costs, professional services, and employee-related expenses.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

We also incurred a $791 million charge to the provision for credit losses, which reflects an initial provision impacted by the acquisition of $662 million. A net loss of $129 million related to the securitization of approximately $4 billion of legacy indirect auto loans. These moves enabled us to more effectively position the balance sheet for profitable growth and optimize returns. Slide 8 provides a more detailed earnings summary. Union Bank, which was included in our consolidated results for one month, contributed $302 million of revenue, $221 million of non-interest expenses, $81 million of operating income, and $44 million of net income to the company, representing $0.03 per diluted share.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

On Slide 9, end-of-period loans increased 13.3% on a linked quarter basis to $388 billion, which included core loan growth and acquired loans from Union Bank. Union Bank contributed ending loan balances of $54 billion, net of purchase accounting adjustments, partly offset by a reduction in balances, $15 billion, related to balance sheet optimization actions, including loan sales and securitizations. Slide 10 provides end-of-period deposit balance composition. End-of-period deposits increased 11.4% on a linked quarter basis to $525 billion, driven by the acquisition, which contributed $86 billion of lower cost deposits and actions taken as a result of the deal to optimize our funding sources. On a core basis, we saw deposit balances decline slightly this quarter.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Turning to slide 11, the investment securities portfolio grew 4.2% linked quarter to $170 billion. The addition of securities from Union Bank were offset by balance sheet optimization actions. Slide 12 highlights revenue trends. Adjusted net revenue totaled $6.8 billion in the 4th quarter, which included revenue contribution of $302 million from Union Bank, primarily representing net interest income. For legacy U.S. Bancorp, net interest income grew 5.5% on a linked quarter basis and 29.2% year-over-year, driven by strong earning asset growth and net interest margin expansion, which benefited from rising interest rates. Results were partially offset by higher deposit pricing and short-term borrowing costs.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Non-interest income, as adjuste d for the legacy company, declined 3.0% compared to the third quarter, driven by seasonally lower payment service revenue and lower commercial product revenue, offset by stronger mortgage banking revenue. Year-over-year, legacy adjusted non-interest income declined 5.5%, driven by lower mortgage banking revenue from reduced refinancing activity and lower servicing charges, offset by stronger payments services revenue and trust and investment management fees. Turning to slide 13, adjusted non-interest expense totaled $4.0 billion in the fourth quarter, including $221 million from Union Bank. Included in expenses was approximately $42 million of intangible amortization due to core deposit intangibles established at the time of the acquisition.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Legacy non-interest expense, as adjusted, increased 3.8% on a linked quarter basis, largely driven by higher compensation-related expenses as well as higher expenses related to professional services, marketing, technology, and tax credit amortization. Slide 14 shows credit quality trends. We reported total net charge-offs for the quarter of $578 million. After adjusting for acquisition impacts and the balance sheet optimization activities, net charge-offs totaled $210 million or 0.23% of average loans, up from 0.19% in the third quarter, which reflected the continuing normalization of credit losses. Non-performing assets for the legacy bank increased slightly while Union Bank contributed $329 million to the total.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

On a combined basis, the repo rted ratio of non-performing assets to loans and other real estate was 0.26% at December 31st, compared with 0.20% at September 30th and 0.28% a year ago, reflecting a continued strong credit quality. The provision for credit losses was $1.19 billion, which included a provision of $791 million related to the acquisition and balance sheet optimization activities. This provision includes an initial provision impacted by the acquisition of $662 million and $129 million related to our balance sheet optimization activities. The allowance for credit losses as of December 31st totaled $7.4 billion or 1.91% of period end loans, which reflects increased economic uncertainty and the incorporation of the Union Bank portfolio.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Slide 15 highlights the drivers of our linked quarter Common Equity Tier 1 capital position. As of December 31st, our CET1 capital ratio was 8.4%. Acquisition impacts of 180 basis points included an increase in goodwill and other intangible assets that reflected the impact of credit and interest rate marks. The initial provision for credit losses, balance sheet optimization actions, as well as the increase in risk-weighted assets with the addition of Union Bank. These impacts were partially offset by an increase to equity related to shares issued to MUFG as part of the purchase price of Union Bank. Slide 16 provides our current expectations of certain financial metrics related to the transaction. The financial and strategic merits of the deal remain intact and are very attractive.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Earnings per share accretion is now expected to be 8%-9% in 2023, which is higher than originally estimated. While our tangible book value per share dilution is higher than initially estimated due to the significant impact of rising interest rates on the interest rate marks at close, our estimated earn back period is only slightly longer than our original estimate at 2 years versus our original estimate of 1.5 years. Slide 17 provides a comparison of credit and net fair value marks from the time of our announcement to closing. Credit marks are lower due to favorable changes in portfolio composition and credit quality, partially offset by economic deterioration. Interest rate marks inclusive of loans, securities net of sales, and debt are higher than anticipated at announcement due to higher interest rates.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

We expect that to accrete quickly back through earnings. The core deposit intangible is also higher than originally estimated, reflecting the increased value of low cost, lower cost core deposits in a higher rate environment. I will now provide first quarter and full year 2023 forward-looking guidance, which is provided on slide 18. Starting with the first quarter 2023 guidance. We expect average earning assets of between 605 and $610 billion in the first quarter, and a net interest margin that is 5 to 10 basis points higher than the fourth quarter level. Total revenue is estimated to be in a range of $7.1 billion-$7.3 billion, including approximately $100 million of purchase accounting accretion during the quarter.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Total non-interest expense, as adjusted, is expected to be in the range of $4.3 billion-$4.4 billion, inclusive of approximately $125 million of core deposit intangible amortization related to Union Bank. Our income tax rate, as adjusted, is expected to be approximately 22%-23% on a taxable equivalent basis. We anticipate merger and integration charges of between $200 million-$250 million for the quarter. I will now provide guidance for the full year. For 2023, average earning assets are expected to be in the range of $610 billion-$620 billion, with net interest margin expansion of between 5-10 basis points compared with the fourth quarter of 2022.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Total revenue is expected to be in the range of $29 billion-$31 billion, inclusive of between $350 million-$400 million of full year purchase accounting accretion. Total non-interest expense as adjusted for the year is expected to be in the range of $17 billion-$17.5 billion, inclusive of approximately $500 million of core deposit intangible amortization related to Union Bank. Our estimated full year income tax rate on a taxable equivalent basis as adjusted will be approximately 22%-23%. We expect to have $900 million-$1 billion of merger and integration charges in 2023. I will now hand it back to Andy for closing remarks.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Thanks, Terry. We accomplished a lot this past year, including the completion of the Union Bank acquisition and a strong legacy PPNR growth supported by positive operating leverage on an adjusted basis. Union Bank adds significant scale to our business and deepens our commitment to serving customers and creating economic opportunities for communities across the West Coast. We continue to target a Memorial Day weekend systems conversion, incorporating a lift and shift approach to our applications, which mitigates risk and allows us to more quickly capture meaningful cost synergies. There is still a tremendous amount of economic and geopolitical uncertainty, and we are preparing for any scenario. I believe we will perform well because of the strength of our business, a strong balance sheet, and the great team we have.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

As we've proven during previous economic downturns, our business model is resilient and recession-ready, in large part due to our disciplined through the cycle credit underwriting standards and robust risk management infrastructure. Our consumer clients are predominantly prime, super prime, and our commercial book is generally investment grade, and we have very little leverage lending commitments. We are focused on prudent balance sheet growth, high return, high margin opportunities, and the prudent allocation of capital to lines of business and products best served to deliver on our strategic objectives. Our growth strategy is focused on creating value for our customers, communities, and shareholders, which allow us to generate industry-leading performance. Let me close by saying thank you to our 77,000 employees across the company, including our newest colleagues from Union Bank. Your dedication and commitment are what make U.S.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

bank special and a destination of choice for all the constituents we serve. We'll now open up the call for Q&A.

[Operator]

We will now begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please press 1 then 0 on your phone. If you wish to be removed from the queue, please press 1 then 0 again. Once again, if you have a question, please press 1 then 0 on your phone. We can first go to Scott Siefers with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Morning, Scott.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Scott.

[Scott Siefers, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Give you a question for you. Just sort of at a top level, I was hoping you could speak to what sort of balance sheet and capital management will look like for you. You're still under $700 billion in assets, but, you know, any thought on sort of limiting growth or will there be additional sales or securitizations to help keep you under there? I guess on repurchase, I know we're on pause until we get back to the Common Equity Tier 1 target, but with the sort of looming category move up, would there be any thought to hold off longer than that just to sort of see what happens? Just any thoughts on either of those would be great, please.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Scott, I'll start. This is Andy, and Terry will add in. First of all, we're not limiting any growth in the company. One of the reasons we positioned the balance sheet and took the optimization actions we talked about, Terry went through, was to allow for profitable growth. It also was related to the credit box that we manage within, as well as the returns that some of those categories of assets that we securitize were returning. Those are all allowing us to grow in a profitable way in the future. As we've talked about before, we would not expect to cross the threshold of a Category II until the earliest at the end of 2024, that's the into the new category at that time.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

If we have any further balance sheet optimization actions and securitizations, they would be very nominal and not material in nature. Terry, what would you add?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah, no, I would just again reiterate, you know, we're ready to be able to adopt Category II by the end of 2024. You know, there's no real cap. We wouldn't expect any real significant balance sheet optimization from here. We spent a lot of time positioning the balance sheet for growth as we go forward.

[Scott Siefers, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Wonderful.

[Scott Siefers, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Just sort of thoughts on repurchase as well. I know we're on pause for now, but it's still, sort of a question mark. Would be curious to hear your thoughts.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah, Scott. you know, as we've said, and we continue to expect that, you know, we are starting about at a good spot, about 8.4% CET1. You know, we expect that to accrete up to at or above 9% by the end of next year and to continue to accrete in 2023. you know, continue to move up from that particular point. you know, one of the things we'll do is, you know, once we get to, you know, above 9%, you know, we'll have to make an assessment as to, you know, all the different things that are happening out there from a regulatory perspective.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

I mean, you have, you know, the regulators looking at Basel III and, you know, our, you know, having to think about Category II and those sorts of things. I think it's really gonna be based upon, you know, what the landscape at that particular point in time looks like. you know, certainly in terms of our core, CET1, it'll accrete nicely, throughout 2023.

[Scott Siefers, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler]

Wonderful. All right. I appreciate all the thoughts. Thank you.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Thanks, Scott.

[Operator]

Next, we can go to Erika Najarian with UBS. Please go ahead.

[Erika Najarian, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at UBS]

Hi. Good morning, and thank you for.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Hi.

[Erika Najarian, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at UBS]

the detail that you gave us on the slides. My first question is on, you know, the cadence of the cost synergies as it relates to your expected Memorial Day weekend conversion. First clarification question, the 35% cost synergies, is that a target for full year 2023? What is that cadence like? Do we expect very little in cost synergies until Memorial Day weekend and then an acceleration in cost synergy capture as the systems converge?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah, Erika, great question. you know, just to confirm, you know, our expectation is that of the $900 million of cost synergies, we'll see about 35% of that next year in 2023. you know, from a cadence standpoint, you know, with the Memorial Day conversion, the vast majority of those cost synergies will start to really kick in subsequent to that system conversion. smaller during the first half of the year, much more significant of that 35% in the second half of the year.

[Erika Najarian, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at UBS]

Got it. In other words, we should anticipate an exit rate by 4Q 2023 of well above 35%?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

By the time we get to the end of the fourth quarter, you know, we will have incorporated the vast majority of the cost synergies such that by the time we get to 2024, you know, we will be in a good position to have achieved 100%.

[Erika Najarian, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at UBS]

Got it. My, my follow-up question is, you know, on the economic outlook. You know, if you could remind us what is being captured in the legacy U.S. Bank reserves in terms of, you know, the GDP outlook and the unemployment outlook. And how are you thinking, you know, based on that outlook, charge-offs for legacy U.S. Bank would trend, you know, as we anticipate, it seems like a lot of your peers are anticipating a mild recession from here?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah, I would say that, you know, our expectations are probably consistent with that sort of a thought process. You know, when we are thinking about the reserve, you know, our base case is that, you know, there is a mild recession probably in the second half of the year, and that unemployment ticks up and GDP is either relatively flat or down a bit. You know, when we go through the reserving process, as we said in the past, you know, we end up looking at five different potential scenarios all the way from a base case to a severe sort of recession. I would say that from a reserving perspective, you know, we're a little bit weighted toward that downside scenario, you know, so a little bit more conservative.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

From a charge-off perspective, you know, our expectation, you know, kind of using the baseline of about 23 basis points in the fourth quarter, you know, that will continue to normalize, you know, throughout the year. You know, we'll see both the delinquencies and charge-offs, you know, moving up. You know, to kind of give you some perspective, you know, our pre-pandemic was at 50 basis points. You know, we probably don't see that until sometime into 2024.

[Erika Najarian, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at UBS]

Got it. Thank you.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Thanks, Erika.

[Operator]

Next we go to Mike Mayo with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Morning, Mike.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director and Head of U.S. Large-Cap Bank Research at Wells Fargo Securities]

Hi. Hey, good morning. I just wanted to clarify. You made your positive operating leverage in 2022 over 200 basis points. If you back into the numbers, I'm getting positive operating leverage year-over-year all in somewhere between, I don't know, 100 or 900 basis points. I'm not sure if that's correct. If you back in the numbers, what do you get? Why there's such big variance in the revenue guide? That's a $29 billion versus $31 billion. Why is the margining still increasing 5 to 10 basis points from the fourth quarter? That's a bit more of an improvement versus others.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

I'll start on a couple of things, and Terry will add in. Let me sort of go backwards on your questions. The margin's increasing principally because of the value of the low-cost deposits that Union Bank brings on. We talked about that a lot, Mike. You know, $85 billion of principally consumer low-cost stable deposits in this environment is very valuable in driving up that margin on a quarterly basis, and that's reflected in that 5-10 basis points. We did achieve 230 basis points of positive operating leverage in 2020. Need a little bit of background.

[George Anderson, Senior VP and Director of Investor Relations at U.S. Bancorp]

Hey, Mike, we're getting a little background. Can you mute your line? Thanks.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

We did achieve 230 basis points of positive operating leverage in 2022. We would expect to achieve continued positive operating leverage into 2023. 2023 is gonna have, you know, the merger related charges in it as well. I'm looking at it on a core basis. Terry, what would you add?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah, I just, maybe kind of coming back to the net interest margin, you know, we expect to either see the lift related to Union Bank coming on, you know, that 5 to 10 basis points. You know, kind of flattish to maybe moderate increase or expansion in net interest margin through the rest of the year. You know, clearly deposit betas and things like that are gonna accelerate a bit in 2023.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director and Head of U.S. Large-Cap Bank Research at Wells Fargo Securities]

As a follow-up, look, U.S. Bancorp had been the low-cost producer for a long time. It looks like you're going to trend back in that direction. It sounds like you still have no change in expected synergies. I get it. Union Bank is performing better, and that's why accretion you had brought higher to 8%-9%, but still no change in expected synergies from the acquisition. Separate from that, Andy, you'd mentioned in December that the big kind of tech investment cycle is now turning positive versus being a drag for the last five or so years. If you could elaborate on that. Thank you.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Sure, Mike. You're right, we still are projecting, as Terry went through, $900 million of cost savings, 35% in 2023, 100% fully implemented in 2024. Importantly, we have not, in the guidance that we provided any revenue synergies. It's without revenue synergies, which we think there are going to be some, particularly after the integration and conversion process. We are past the heavy spend on tech. You're right. We're more of at a flat line and starting to gain the benefits of that. Part of the benefit of this transaction is leveraging the investments we've made in the company over the last three or four years to allow us to lift and shift to our technology platform in a very low-cost way. That benefit is driving through the synergies that we talk about.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director and Head of U.S. Large-Cap Bank Research at Wells Fargo Securities]

Thank you.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Thanks, Mike.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Mike.

[Operator]

Now we'll go to John Pancari with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Morning, John.

[George Anderson, Senior VP and Director of Investor Relations at U.S. Bancorp]

Hey, John.

[John Pancari, Senior Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Evercore ISI]

Morning. On the credit metrics, I know you indicated that you're starting to see normalization in charge-offs and delinquencies. I want to see if you can elaborate a bit more on what income cohorts are you seeing the normalization? We're hearing from some of the consumer finance players that they are seeing some normalization impacting or moving beyond just the non-prime and low income, but into prime and super prime. Also what asset classes are you seeing the normalization most obviously? Is it just on the card side or in other asset classes? Thanks.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah, I mean, this is Terry Dolan. you know, maybe to address your first question in terms of where we're seeing it, and maybe as kind of a reminder, you know, from an underwriting perspective, we focus on prime, super prime, really on all of our consumer portfolios. you know, to the extent that we're seeing delinquencies starting to tick up, you know, it's more so in the credit card space. you know, you're right, it would be probably on the lower bands as opposed to the upper bands at this particular point in time. you know, one of the things we talked about is that is that, you know, when you look at savings or excess savings from a consumer perspective, you know, they're fairly significant. Debt is coming down.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

As that's coming down, people are revolving more on their credit cards. You know, I think it's just kind of a natural progression that we are seeing, and again, starting more with the unsecured and the credit card portfolio, not as much with respect to the other, the other portfolios, yet. You know, as things continue to normalize, we would expect that too.

[John Pancari, Senior Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Evercore ISI]

Okay. Thanks, Terry. That's helpful. I guess, related, how does this development in consumer behavior and your macro assumptions as well, how does that impact your expectations for your payments revenue and your card revenue and merchant processing revenue as you look out through the year considering the macro dynamics? Thanks.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. The payments revenue, as you saw, still is well above pre-COVID levels. The card spend's 25% above. On a year-over-year basis, we're +5%. Spend continues to be strong. The categories of spend are shifting a little bit. We would expect continued strong spend, but moderating a bit as we go into the rest of 2023 for the reasons that Terry mentioned. Still expect growth, but again, probably more moderate in nature as we go forward and the savings levels start to normalize and the consumer behavior starts to change.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. The thing that I would end up adding, John, is that, you know, one of the things we've talked about in the merchant processing is that, you know, we think that business is kind of a high single digits. You know, when we look at 2023, you know, that's kind of our expectation for that particular business. You know, relative to 2022, you know, we anticipate that our credit card revenue or card revenue will strengthen a bit in terms of year-over-year comparisons. You know, on the corporate payment card business, you know, we continue to think that that's gonna be reasonably strong.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Certainly high single digits, if not low double digits. That's, you know, we're continuing to see, travel and entertainment, recover, very nicely in that particular space. You know, we feel pretty good about the payment revenue trends, for 2023.

[John Pancari, Senior Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Evercore ISI]

Great. Thank you, Terry. Appreciate it.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yep.

[Operator]

Next, we go to Ebrahim Poonawala with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Morning, Ebrahim.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Head Managing Director of American Banks Research at Bank of America]

I just want to follow up, one, on credit. You talked about consumer, looking at the CRE slide. Just if you don't mind talking, sharing your perspective around the CRE book, if you're beginning to see any softening either in certain markets, maybe California or within the office CRE book, which is about 10% of loans.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. You know, I mean, maybe at a high level, you know, certainly from a CRE perspective, you know, valuations, I think, are moderating to some extent. You know, the areas that we have had, probably the, you know, greatest focus on, if you will, is really office space, and that is really probably as much tied to re-return to office, sort of, behaviors or patterns. I think that that is probably a longer-term sort of structural adjustment that's gonna end up happening. We're just gonna have to watch it over time. You know, when we just kind of look at the core CRE, you know, portfolio, it continues to perform pretty well from a credit perspective at this particular point.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Head Managing Director of American Banks Research at Bank of America]

Got it. I guess just one separate question around payments. When you think about in your slide, you mentioned about some of the tech investments and partnerships. Just give us a sense of, remind us around competitive positioning for USB, how you're thinking about just market share outlook and from these partnership standpoint, like, areas of, like, secular growth that you see in this business?

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. As you mentioned, we've made a lot of investments in tech-led activity, and our tech-led investments have led to that being the principal area of growth for the merchant processing categories. On the card side, the partnerships component continues to be an important strength for us and a point of growth as we look forward. Those two areas, tech-led on merchant and partnerships on card are doing well, and it's partly due to the investments we've made over the past few years.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Head Managing Director of American Banks Research at Bank of America]

Is the strategy there to just build this in-house, or do you see more kind of, bolt-on acquisitions, within that business?

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Many of the investments we've made are internal investments that we've developed our capabilities and our platforms to allow for different activities and allow for integration with some of the software that the companies use to run their business. We've added as well, as you know, miscellaneous M&A acquisitions that you said bolt-ons like Talech or Bento for Business that add capabilities around the edges. I think we'll continue to do a little of both as we look forward.

[Ebrahim Poonawala, Head Managing Director of American Banks Research at Bank of America]

Good. Thank you.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Sure.

[Operator]

We go to Gerard Cassidy with RBC. Please go ahead.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Morning, Gerard.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Morning, Gerard.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Hi, Andy. Hi, Terry. Congratulations on closing the deal. Question for you, Terry. On the balance sheet optimization where you guys decided to, you know, sell off certain loans that were acquired, can you give us some color on what types of credits were in those sales, and why would they chose? You know, I know they didn't meet your credit profile, but what was the driver of that? I mean, some of the details of the credit profiles.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. maybe as a starting point, you know, when we thought about the balance sheet optimization, you know, the things that we were thinking about is really repositioning the balance sheet to position ourselves for growth going forward, to be able to optimize or improve profitability, and looking at profit margins, you know, across the various portfolios and returns, and then the risk profile. maybe from a risk profile perspective, you know, we ended up looking at Union Bank, you know, portfolios that we ended up acquiring. There were a couple of different areas that we focused on. One is that they had acquired a number of loans related or through a LendingClub channel, if you will.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

You know, that was something that we had planned to run off over time originally when we, you know, looked at the deal. We made a decision that, you know, when we looked at the kind of the credit risk profile, how it was re-originated, et cetera, that we thought that, you know, taking care of that upfront made a lot of sense. The other area that we ended up selling was some commercial real estate in, you know, in their particular portfolios in order to be able to kind of bring that concentration down a bit. The other areas of optimization was more on the U.S. Bank side. We ended up looking at lower margin indirect auto loan portfolio. We securitized about $4 billion associated with that particular portfolio.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

The other things that we ended up looking at in the C&I book of business and, you know, across kind of our corporate space is just relationships that maybe had lower returns associated with it, that where we could, where we could optimize that. So we allowed some of that to run off, so to speak, during the quarter. Those were the primary areas of focus with respect to the balance sheet optimization. The last thing I would maybe say on the investment portfolio side is that we ended up selling about $15 billion of securities, the vast majority of that coming from Union Bank.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

That was really to kind of think about it from a HTM perspective, et cetera. That was the other area where we did a balance sheet optimization.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Terry, were there in the corporate loans, were there any shared relationships, meaning you had an exposure to XYZ company as did Union Bank, and the total was maybe too much and you guys?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

decided to take that down as well?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. Exactly. Maybe from a risk perspective, looking at holds, hold levels or concentrations with respect to specific customers, yes, that was a part of the strategy.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Very good. Just as a follow-up, you guys obviously gave us very good detail in your slides. On the credit quality, slide 14, you give us the breakout in the net charge-offs, and you show us the reported number at 64 basis points versus your core legacy number of 23 basis points. If I pull out the 189 basis points, you know, from the optimization, it looks like the net charge-off ratio is around 43 basis points, including the Union Bank numbers. Is that kind of the level we should kind of gear ourselves to for 2023 now that Union will be, you know, fully implemented into your business?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. Let me clarify. It's 64 basis points on a reported basis, 23 basis points on a core basis. There's two components to that core. The balance sheet securitization that I talked about that you articulated. Under CECL, what you end up having to do is you have to recapture loans that they have charged off. You have to make an assessment, and then if you believe that that charge off was appropriate, you have to charge that off on day one, so to speak. There was about $173 million of charge offs related to those, to that kind of day one effect associated with CECL. There's really kind of three components, but 64 on a reported basis, 23 on a core basis.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

When we think about going forward, I would use the 23 basis points as kind of the start point, and that's about $210 million worth of core charge-offs.

[Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Oh, thank you for clearing that up. I appreciate it.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yep.

[Operator]

Next we can go to Betsy Graseck with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Hi, Betsy.

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director and Global Head of Banks and Diversified Finance Research at Morgan Stanley]

Hi, good morning. Hi, and congratulations from my end, too. The deck is super clear. Really appreciate all the effort to make it simple and straightforward. A couple questions for me. Just to follow up on the discussion we just had, could we also talk a little bit about how we should think about the reserving level as we go through 2023 and, you know, into 2024? You know, like you said, you've got the fair value marks. You had to do the add as per the CECL rules. Does reserve ratio stabilize from here? Does it actually inch down? Is there a scenario in which it would move higher? Could you just frame out how we should think about that? Thanks.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. I mean, obviously it is impacted by a lot of different things in terms of how economic uncertainty ends up changing and, you know, the mix of the portfolio, how it might change. You know, as we kind of think about 2023, I think that that 191 basis points is probably a good is a good metric throughout the year. It might inch down a little bit, but, you know, I think that, you know, by and large, we feel pretty comfortable with that as we think about 2023 based upon our kind of base case, so to speak.

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director and Global Head of Banks and Diversified Finance Research at Morgan Stanley]

Okay. I have one other question on the growth of the balance sheet. I know you addressed this a bit before, but when I look at the 2023 guide versus, you know, 1Q 2023, it's a slower growth rate than I think we're used to seeing at USB. Maybe you could help us understand, you know, is this a moderated growth rate during the integration phase and maybe second half, you know, that should accelerate up? Or is this the level of growth that we should anticipate? If you don't mind, have just a couple of ticky tackies on the purchase accounting and the CDI and how we should expect that steps down, you know, into 2023 and 2024.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Sure, Betsy, this is Andy. First on the growth rate, I think 2022 had exceptional loan growth across many categories led by commercial as well as CRE. What we would see is that more normalizing. You're starting to see that in the fourth quarter. I think the other fact is that the growth rates are impacted by average balances and some of the nation activity that we took down in the fourth quarter. You know, it was a partial quarter in the fourth quarter, full quarter in the first quarter and the rest of 2023. The principal driver is a function of loan demand, which is moderating a bit across most categories. Still growing, but a little less than what we saw in 2022.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Betsy, maybe related to your second question, which was around the recognition of the core deposit intangible over time. You know, probably the way that I would think about it is that it's, it will amortize into income over about a 10-year period. It will step down and probably a good way of just modeling it is assuming kind of a sum-of-the-years'-digits sort of approach.

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director and Global Head of Banks and Diversified Finance Research at Morgan Stanley]

Same thing for PAA, or how should we think about that? I mean, PAA I know is different.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah.

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director and Global Head of Banks and Diversified Finance Research at Morgan Stanley]

How should we think about PAA changing?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah, you know, that's tied obviously to the life of the loans, and it'll end up being impacted by prepayments and all sorts of things. If you end up looking at their portfolio, you know, that we acquired, about half of it is residential mortgage, and half of it is corporate and shorter term. You know, probably, if you ended up looking at an average life of, you know, four or five years, four to six years, that sort of timeframe. Of course, that will also, you know, accrete, probably a little bit faster on the front end.

[Betsy Graseck, Managing Director and Global Head of Banks and Diversified Finance Research at Morgan Stanley]

Okay, thank you for that.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yep. Thanks, Betsy.

[Operator]

Next, we'll go to Vivek Juneja with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Morning, Vivek.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JPMorgan]

Hi. Morning. Congratulations. A couple of questions. The tangible book value, recovery, the accrete, you know, the crossover and the fact that you'd recover that back quickly. Can you just give any color on sort of what's the key driver of that? Is it just simply earnings, or is there something else underneath that also that's gonna help that come back so quickly?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. It's principally the accretion effect that we're gonna see with respect to Union Bank, the marks and the underlying earnings of the company.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JPMorgan]

Okay. Because I just heard you say the accretion, the question that Betsy asked, the purchase accounting accretion, that half the loans are mortgages, that will come down, I guess, over more slowly. Is that part of it, that pre-purchase accounting accretion is going to stay high for longer?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah, no, I really think it really is the kind of the 8% to 9% accretion levels that we're expecting, you know.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JPMorgan]

On the EPS side.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yep. Yep.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JPMorgan]

Okay. Got it. Okay. A couple of other little ones. Deposits, the decline that you had in the balance sheet optimization, I think it's pretty sizable, $24 billion. Is it all UB, or is it some of yours, and which types of deposits?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah, it's great question. You know, it's from a deposit standpoint, you know, when you think about kind of the optimization that we went through, you know, we had kind of a focus on a couple of different things. We ended up looking at LCR ratios. We ended up looking at higher cost deposits, whether that would be, you know, brokerage type deposits or Eurodollar deposits, those sorts of things. We made a very conscious decision after getting regulatory approval to kind of reposition that. On the Union Bank side, the one thing that I would point out is that, you know, there's about $8 billion-$9 billion worth of deposits that came over that were more transitionary.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Over time, those will transition back to their global investment bank as those customers kind of migrate. About half of that migrated in the fourth quarter, and I would expect probably the other half of that to migrate in early 2023. You know, those were kind of the things we ended up looking at with respect to, you know, deposit and deposit flows. It was really looking at trading out low cost deposits or high cost deposits for low cost, you know, deposits that were coming over from Union Bank and then some of the Union Bank effect.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JPMorgan]

What was the OCI number at the end of the year? You know, as we think about where, you know, going to Category II, how quickly do you expect that to come down so that you can be in better shape?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. OCI at the end of the year is about $8 billion. you know, the duration of the portfolio is a little over 5, you know, if you can kind of take a look at that. Obviously, that's assuming that, you know, rates don't move from here. you know, our positioning from an investment portfolio perspective is about 52%-53% HTM. We've also entered into some pay-fixed swaps that, in effect, kinda get that up to the high fifties. We feel like we're in a pretty good position to be able to deal with, you know, if rates move up a bit or if rates come down, we have some flexibility there as well. We feel like we're in a pretty good spot.

[Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JPMorgan]

All right. Thank you.

[Operator]

Next we can go to Matt O'Connor with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

[Matt O'Connor, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank]

Good morning. Can you talk about the pace of the capital build from the 8.4% to around 9% by the end of the year? Also, you know, if the macro is worse than expected and you have to build reserves more, I realize that doesn't move the capital that much.

[Matt O'Connor, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank]

you know, obviously everyone else is starting at a higher point of capital and, you know, there is focus on how quickly you can get to that 9 or even higher. I guess the question is like what levers can you pull that kind of aren't that painful if you need a little bit more, such as issuing preferreds or some other assets that you could kind of exit without hitting earnings that much? Thank you.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. I mean, obviously, Matt, from a balance sheet optimization perspective, you know, we're gonna be very focused on, you know, profitability returns and, you know, capital is precious. You know, we wanna make sure that we are dedicating our resources from an asset growth perspective in the right spots. You know, the pace of growth from 84 to, you know, a little above 9% by the end of 2023, it's fairly ratable across the 4 quarters. Obviously, first quarter is gonna be a little bit lower simply because we will not have seen the cost synergies, and we will be going through and incurring more merger-related costs probably in the earlier part of the year simply because of the timing of the system conversion.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

The pace is probably a little bit more weighted toward the back end, but that hopefully kind of gives you some perspective. Again, I'd kind of come back from a reserve point of view. You know, we feel like, you know, we look at a lot of different scenarios. We look at the five different approaches, one of which is, you know, a severe recession. We take that into consideration. You know, we could see unemployment move up to, you know, around 6%-6.5%, and we still feel like we would be in pretty good spot from a reserving point of view.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

You know, if it ends up being at a level that's higher than it, then we'll have to kind of focus on other balance sheet optimization activity.

[Matt O'Connor, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank]

Okay. Thank you very much.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Thanks, Matt.

[Operator]

We'll go to Ken Usdin with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Hi, Ken.

[Ken Usdin, Managing Director, Equity Research at Jefferies]

Hey, good morning, guys. First question I just wanted to ask is, just to follow on the outlook for the year. Can you two walk us through just your underlying assumptions for kind of how NII just trajects if we just think about kind of the core business in terms of what deposit costs and betas do and how that impacts the kind of underlying trajectory, you know, from the fourth quarter of NII?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. You know, obviously, net interest income is gonna be driven by the earning asset growth that we have in here as well as the margin expansion. You know, we expect that margin expansion to take place, you know, 5-10 basis points in the first quarter because of the Union full quarter kind of effect of Union Bank. Again, our modeling is that the margin is reasonably moderates from there, reasonably flat, maybe up just a little bit. You know, from a deposit point of view, you know, clearly deposit betas are going to accelerate. I think that's the reason why, you know, you'll see the moderation in terms of net interest income or net interest margin expansion in the second half of the year.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

You know, keep in mind, you know, again, this is, this is kind of, we see that in the first quarter, the Union Bank effect associated with the value of those deposits that we're bringing on, and we'll continue to look at opportunities to kind of optimize the deposit portfolio.

[Ken Usdin, Managing Director, Equity Research at Jefferies]

Okay. Just one follow-up on the deal impact. Can you just remind us what type of, like, amortization period you're using for both the purchase accounting accretion and the CDI in terms of, like, is this the run rate that we keep around for a few years, or does that change as you look past 2023? Thanks.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

I think that, again, in 2023, we're, we expect, the purchase accounting accretion to be $350 million-$400 million, and the CDI to be about $500 million. As I mentioned earlier, I think on the CDI, it steps down over time. If you use kind of a 10-year assumption and sum-of-the-years'-digits, I think that'll get you from a modeling perspective, pretty close to how I think it'll end up amortizing off. The purchase accounting is really gonna be tied to the asset lives. You know, because about half of it is mortgage and half of it is, you know, corporate and commercial, et cetera, and shorter lived assets.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

I think you can think about kind of that 4-5-year sort of timeframe, and it probably accretes down in a kind of a similar sort of fashion, a little more front-end weighted.

[Ken Usdin, Managing Director, Equity Research at Jefferies]

Okay. Got it. Thank you, Terry.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yep.

[Operator]

Next we can go to Chris Kotowski with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Hey, Chris.

[Chris Kotowski, Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Oppenheimer]

Yes, good morning. Hi. Following up a bit on Mike and Ken's questions. If I look at your very helpful slide 18 on the guidance, and I take the midpoint of the $7.1 billion-$7.3 billion revenue range, and I kind of day weight that to the full year, I kind of get the lower range end of the full year guidance. You know, at $29.2 is actually what I get. That implies like a, you know, couple % growth in the back half of the year, which I again, I guess is better than what a lot of banks are saying.

[Chris Kotowski, Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Oppenheimer]

I'm wondering, is that just underlying loan growth or fee income growth, or is it the tag ends of, you know, the benefits of rising rates, or what do you see driving that?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Well, I, again, I think you do see kind of the full year effect associated with rising interest rates kind of come into play. You know, fee revenue, on a legacy basis as an example, you know, we should see, you know, a little bit more of a tailwind next year as opposed to what we experienced this year. I think that those are kind of coming into play. Then I think that, you know, just, you know, timing of being able to get cost synergies, on the expense side.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. I'd add, it's probably just mathematically, as you're talking about it, you're right. It's a little bit of the growth in the earning asset that you see there going up, from $605 to $610 to $610 to $620. That's number one. Then maybe going towards the high end of that range and net interest margin versus the mid or low end in the early quarters.

[Chris Kotowski, Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Oppenheimer]

Yeah.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah.

[Chris Kotowski, Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Oppenheimer]

Well, it's interesting because if I do the same analysis on the non-interest expense side, you're at the high end of that, it implies kind of nice growth in pre-provision earnings through the course of the year. But anyway, that's it for me.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

All right.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Thanks.

[Operator]

Our last question in queue will come from Mike Mayo with Wells Fargo Securities.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Hey, Mike.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Hey, Mike.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director and Head of U.S. Large-Cap Bank Research at Wells Fargo Securities]

Hi.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director and Head of U.S. Large-Cap Bank Research at Wells Fargo Securities]

naughty before. AOCI $12 billion, now it's $8 billion. Where is it as of today?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

OCI, overall is at 10, at the end of the year and expected to come down from there.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

At a lower level today, Mike.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director and Head of U.S. Large-Cap Bank Research at Wells Fargo Securities]

Andy, just can you pull the lens back a little bit? It's been a rough 3, 5 and 10 years when you look at operating leverage and stock, not last year on the operating leverage. That comment you made in December, and you addressed briefly, but you've been in this investment cycle multi years, and now you said that you're coming out of it, or the drag's less, or maybe the spending's less and the payoffs are more. Can you just give us some more color on both the spending side and the payback side and where you've invested the most and where you expect that payback? Because it sounds like you're crossing a line, based on your comment from December and that you reiterated today. Thanks.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yes. Thanks, Mike. I think that's a fair representation. We, you know, our spend levels on pure CapEx were grew from about $800 million-$900 million to $1.2 billion, $1.3 billion. That growth has been in the run rate for the last couple of years. You would not expect to see additional continued expense increase related to CapEx. Importantly, we also migrated that spend from about 60% defensive to 60% offensive. The spend is on activities like digital capabilities, reaching customers, products and services and so forth. All of that is what's coming through right now. A level set on the expense side plus a return on the investments from a revenue side. That coupled with overlaying all that on the Union Bank customer base is why we're projecting the numbers that we're giving you.

[Mike Mayo, Managing Director and Head of U.S. Large-Cap Bank Research at Wells Fargo Securities]

Okay. Thank you.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Thanks, Mike.

[Operator]

We do have time for one more question. We'll go to John McDonald with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

[Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO at U.S. Bancorp]

Morning, John.

[John McDonald, Analyst at Autonomous Research]

Morning, guys. Hey, just a couple quick follow-ups. Terry, where does the balance sheet repositioning and the merger leave you in terms of interest rate positioning? How would you describe it here? Fairly neutral, a little bit asset sensitive? Where are you ending up now?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. I would say that, you know, legacy U.S. Bank is fairly neutral. When we add Union Bank on, it probably adds about 50 basis points of asset sensitivity in a in a 50 up sort of shock environment.

[John McDonald, Analyst at Autonomous Research]

Okay. On the fee income, you said some more, tailwinds, this year, so some helpers on legacy U.S. Bancorp. What are those on the fee income front? What are the helpers this year that you can grow fee income? Maybe just puts and takes on fees real quick.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. Well, if you just kind of look at the different components, I think the payments revenue continues to be reasonably strong. I think that the expectation is the market comes back a little bit in terms of in terms of, you know, investment income. But you know, deposit service charges, we saw a drag in 2022 because of some pricing changes we implemented in May. That starts to dissipate, you know. I think it'll be kind of a combination of things, but probably one of the biggest ones is just mortgage banking revenue. You know, that has been a pretty significant drag, especially on a year-over-year basis.

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

In the fourth quarter, we actually started to see that inflection point with link quarter revenue starting to come up, and we would expect that to be a little bit stronger as we go into 2023.

[John McDonald, Analyst at Autonomous Research]

Okay, got it. The last clarification, I think on reserves, you said the 1.9 ratio looks pretty good for this year, and even if unemployment went to 6%, 6.5%, you'd be okay?

[Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO at U.S. Bancorp]

Yeah. Again, we go through a lot of different scenarios, and you know, we, you know, take that downside into consideration. You know, as part of kind of that weighted average process, you know, we think 6.5% unemployment is already incorporated into our reserving process. But again, it all is going to depend upon what ends up happening, how severe the economic recession is, if there is one at all. You know, I think there's just a lot of moving parts.

[John McDonald, Analyst at Autonomous Research]

Got it. Thank you.

[Operator]

We have no further questions at this time. I will now turn it back to George Anderson. Please continue.

[George Anderson, Senior VP and Director of Investor Relations at U.S. Bancorp]

Thank you for listening to our call. Please contact the investor relations department if you have any follow-up questions.

[Operator]

That does conclude today's conference. Thanks for participating. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Andy Cecere, Chairman, President, and CEO
• George Anderson, Senior VP and Director of Investor Relations
• Terry Dolan, Vice Chair and CFO

Analysts

• Betsy Graseck, Managing Director and Global Head of Banks and Diversified Finance Research at Morgan Stanley
• Chris Kotowski, Managing Director and Senior Analyst at Oppenheimer
• Ebrahim Poonawala, Head Managing Director of American Banks Research at Bank of America
• Erika Najarian, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at UBS
• Gerard Cassidy, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets
• John McDonald, Analyst at Autonomous Research
• John Pancari, Senior Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Evercore ISI
• Ken Usdin, Managing Director, Equity Research at Jefferies
• Matt O'Connor, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Deutsche Bank
• Mike Mayo, Managing Director and Head of U.S. Large-Cap Bank Research at Wells Fargo Securities
• Scott Siefers, Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler
• Vivek Juneja, Analyst at JPMorgan