Pentair Q4 2023 Earnings Report

Pentair EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.87
• Consensus EPS: $0.86
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.01
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.82

Pentair Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $984.60 million
• Expected Revenue: $975.36 million
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$9.24 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: -1.80%

Pentair Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q4 2023
• Date: 1/30/2024
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2024
• Conference Call Time: 9:00AM ET

Pentair (NYSE:PNR) (NYSE: PNR) is a global provider of water treatment and fluid management solutions. The company designs, manufactures and sells a broad range of products that move, treat, monitor and control the flow of water and other fluids across residential, commercial, industrial and municipal markets. Pentair’s offerings are focused on improving water quality, conserving resources and enabling efficient fluid handling in applications from household water systems and pools to large-scale industrial and municipal installations.

Product lines include pumps and pumping systems, water filtration and purification equipment, valves and controls, heat exchangers, pool and spa systems, and a range of aftermarket parts and services. Pentair also supplies smart monitoring and control technologies that support predictive maintenance, remote operation and improved energy efficiency. Its customer base spans homeowners, contractors, utilities, original equipment manufacturers and large industrial end users, reflecting a mix of new equipment sales and recurring aftermarket revenue.

Pentair operates on a global scale, serving customers across North America, Europe, Asia-Pacific and Latin America through a combination of manufacturing facilities, distribution networks and direct sales channels. The company emphasizes engineering, product development and localized support to meet regional water-quality requirements and regulatory standards. Pentair’s business model combines product innovation with aftermarket service and replacement parts to sustain long-term customer relationships.

Historically, the company moved from a more diversified industrial profile to a concentrated focus on water and fluid solutions through strategic portfolio realignments and acquisitions. Pentair is publicly listed on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker PNR and positions itself on sustainability and water stewardship, pursuing product designs that reduce energy use and support customers’ environmental goals. The company is governed by an executive leadership team and board of directors responsible for executing its strategy and operations.

Pentair Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Record full-year 2023: Pentair achieved record segment income of $855 M (+11%), record ROS of 20.8% (+220 bps), and record adjusted EPS of $3.75, generated $550 M of free cash flow, and raised the dividend for the 48th consecutive year.
• In Q4 2023, sales declined 2% year-over-year, but segment income rose 8%, ROS expanded by 190 bps to 20.1%, adjusted EPS increased 6% to $0.87, and free cash flow reached $97 M.
• For 2024, Pentair expects sales to grow 2–3% to ~$4.2 B, adjusted EPS of $4.15–4.25 (+11–13%), and a milestone of roughly $1 B in EBITDA.
• Ongoing transformation initiatives drove 220 bps of ROS expansion in 2023, and Pentair aims for ~22% ROS in 2024 and ~23% by 2025 through pricing, sourcing, operations, and organizational excellence.
• Pool segment is forecast to rebound with ~7% sales growth in 2024 as 2023 inventory headwinds ease and price remains supportive, though the macro environment and higher interest rates pose risks.

Presentation

[Operator]

Welcome to the Pentair fourth quarter 2023 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Shelly Hubbard, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[Shelly Hubbard, VP of Investor Relations at Pentair]

Thank you, Drew, and welcome to Pentair's fourth quarter 2023 earnings conference call. On the call with me are John Stauch, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Bob Fishman, our Chief Financial Officer. On today's call, we will provide details on our fourth quarter and full year performance as outlined in this morning's press release. On the Pentair Investor Relations website, you can find our earnings release and slide deck, which is intended to supplement our prepared remarks during today's call and provide a reconciliation of differences between GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures that we will reference. The non-GAAP financial measures provided should not be considered as a substitute for or superior to the measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP.

[Shelly Hubbard, VP of Investor Relations at Pentair]

They are included as additional clarifying items to aid investors in further understanding the company's performance, in addition to the impact these items and events have on the financial results. Before we begin, let me remind you that during our presentation today, we will make forward-looking statements which are predictions, projections, or other statements about future events. Listeners are cautioned that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, many of which are difficult to predict and generally beyond the control of Pentair. These risks and uncertainties can cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. We advise listeners to carefully review the risk factors in our most recent Form 10-Q and Form 10-K. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call up for questions.

[Shelly Hubbard, VP of Investor Relations at Pentair]

Please note that we will limit your questions to two, after which we ask you to then reenter the queue in order to allow everyone an opportunity to ask questions. Similar to previous quarters in 2023, we have included slides four through sevwn in our earnings slide deck, which provide a brief overview of Pentair, as well as our investment thesis. I will now turn the call over to John.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Thank you, Shelly, and good morning, everyone. Our record performance in 2023 demonstrates the power of our balanced water portfolio and our focused growth strategy post the separation of nVent. We completed year one with our three-segment structure: Flow, Water Solutions, and Pool, and we finished our first full year with Manitowoc Ice. Our Flow segment, which moves water where it's needed and removes water where it's not wanted, along with our Water Solutions segment, which improves water, both posted a record year for sales and ROS. And our Pool segment, which enables people to enjoy water, delivered record ROS despite significant volume headwinds. I'm extremely proud of our approximately 10,500 global employees for their solid execution in a challenging macroeconomic environment.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

As we enter 2024, we are leveraging our balanced portfolio for continued growth and profitability, with expectations for new records of financial performance. Additionally, we look forward to sharing more about our strategy and three-year outlook at our Investor Day on March 6. Now, let's begin with our executive summary, Q4 2023 onsSlide eight. We finished Q4 with record performance in a fourth quarter post the separation of nVent in 2018, specifically, record segment income and ROS, marking the 7th consecutive quarter of ROS expansion. This is important to note with strong comparables in Q4 2022. In the fourth quarter, sales were down 2%, which included slightly better than expected pool performance. Segment income increased 8%, and ROS expanded by 190 basis points.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Adjusted EPS was $0.87, up 6%, and we generated $97 million of free cash flow in the quarter. Let's move to slide nine, titled Executive Summary, Full Year 2023. 2023 was a record year for segment income, ROS, and adjusted EPS, post the event separation, as previously mentioned, despite sales ending the year flat. In full year 2023, we delivered sales of $4.1 billion, record segment income of $855 million, up 11%, record annual ROS of 20.8%, expanding 220 basis points, and record adjusted EPS of $3.75. Flow and Water Solutions set new sales records in 2023, and we delivered significant margin expansion across all three segments, setting a new annual record ROS for each.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Transformation and solid execution across all three segments continued to drive operational efficiencies throughout the year. Lastly, we generated significant Free Cash Flow of $550 million and increased our dividend for the 48th consecutive year, further solidifying our status as a Dividend Aristocrat. Let's turn to slide 10, titled Balanced Water Portfolio. We are helping the world sustainably move, improve, and enjoy water through our three segments, each with over $1 billion in sales in 2023, and together, creating a balanced water portfolio. Our strategy is working, and we have been delivering on the expectations that we have shared with you. I will now pass the call over to Bob, who will discuss our performance and financial results in more detail. Bob?

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. Let's start on slide 11, titled Q4, 2023 Pentair Performance. I will also be discussing our full year performance on slide 12. We delivered another strong quarter of earnings and significant margin expansion, despite sales being down 2% year-over-year. Volume continued to improve sequentially, with substantial progress in Q4 as compared to Q2 and Q3, driven primarily by improvement in pool volume. Sales for Q4 were down 2%, which was slightly better than we guided. Core sales across all three segments were down slightly as compared to last year's record Q4, when our lead times began to improve from a recovering global supply chain, enabling us to ship more backlog orders. As we move into 2024, we expect to see a more normalized operating environment.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Fourth quarter segment income increased 8% to $198 million, and return on sales expanded 190 basis points year-over-year to 20.1%. This improvement was driven primarily by our Transformation Initiatives. Adjusted EPS of $0.87 was up 6% vs the prior year. For the full year, sales were flat at $4.1 billion, with core sales down 5%, driven by growth in Flow and Water Solutions, which were offset by lower pool volumes. Segment income grew 11% and return on sales expanded 220 basis points to a record 20.8%. All three segments significantly expanded margins and set new records. Adjusted EPS increased to a record $3.75.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Turning to slide 13, labeled Flow at a Glance, you can see the impressive five year financial performance. Sales rose over 4% compounded annually, and margin expanded 300 basis points since 2019. In 2023, Flow continued to reach new records in sales and ROS. We have also provided a sales view by region, channel, and solution, reflecting 2023 sales and the diversified nature of the business. We have eight iconic brands, some over 100 years old, and we rank first in quality, technical support, and customer service. Please turn to slide 14, labeled Q4, 2023 Flow Performance. In addition to the fourth quarter performance for Flow, I will also be referencing the full year performance on slide 15. Note that we have recently renamed our Industrial and Flow Technology segment to Flow.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

In Q4, Flow grew sales 1% in the quarter to $379 million, a record fourth quarter. Industrial solutions was up 9%, and commercial was up 2%, with residential down 7%. Segment income was flat, and return on sales decreased 20 basis points to 17.2% due to a return to more normal seasonality following a record Q4, 2022, and an unfavorable mix from our residential business. For the year, Flow sales increased 5% to $1.58 billion, primarily due to double-digit growth in commercial and industrial solutions. Residential was down 4%, showing improvement sequentially from Q3. Full year segment income grew 17%, and return on sales increased 170 basis points to 17.8%, a record margin for Flow, driven by transformation and price more than offsetting inflation.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Turning to slide 16, titled Water Solutions at a Glance, you can see the strong five year financial record with a compounded annual sales growth rate of 17% and over 400 basis points margin expansion since 2019. Our iconic brands include Everpure and Manitowoc Ice. Our residential Water Solutions products have helped reduce the need for 7 billion single-use water bottles in 2023. Please turn to slide 17, labeled Q4 2023 Water Solutions Performance. In addition to the fourth quarter performance for Water Solutions, I will also be referencing the full year performance on slide 18. In Q4, Water Solutions sales decreased 5% to $270 million, following a record Q4 2022. Commercial sales were down 4%, primarily due to the timing of projects within our services business, partially offset by growth in Manitowoc Ice and Filtration.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

In residential, Q4 sales were down 6%, but reflect significant improvement sequentially from Q3 of this year, in which residential sales were down 14%. Segment income grew 15% to $52 million, and return on sales expanded 320 basis points to 19.1%. A new Q4 record, driven primarily by productivity from our transformation initiative and Manitowoc Ice. For the year, Water Solutions sales grew 19%. Segment income grew 66%, and return on sales increased 590 basis points to 21%, a new full-year record. Commercial sales increased 54%, driven by the acquisition of Manitowoc Ice and growth in filtration. Manitowoc Ice had a record sales year, with growth of 23% vs the prior year.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Please turn to slide 19, titled: "Pool at a Glance." Looking at the five year financial performance, Pool was able to grow the top line significantly and increase margins to a record 31%, or up 320 basis points since 2019. Our pool business benefits from a very large installed base, with roughly 80% of sales coming from remodel and break and fix. Please turn to slide 20, labeled Q4, 2023, Pool Performance. In addition to the fourth quarter performance for Pool, I'll also be referencing the full year performance on slide 21. In Q4, pool sales declined 2% to $336 million, driven by a 6 point drop in volume, which was partially offset by 4 points of price. Note that volume improved significantly compared to the 28 point decline in pool volume in Q3.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

For the year, pool sales were down 18%, segment income decreased 10%, and return on sales increased 270 basis points to 31%, driven by price and our transformation initiatives. Please turn to slide 22, labeled Transformation Initiatives. Similar to last quarter, we believe this slide provides a good illustration of our transformation initiatives and our ultimate goal of driving margin expansion. We have been targeting ROS of approximately 23% by the end of fiscal 2025, expanding margins over 400 basis points as compared to fiscal 2022. In 2023, we delivered ROS of 20.8% as transformation began to read out in Q3 and Q4, and we expect to deliver roughly 22% by the end of full year 2024, which we believe puts us on track with our transformation initiatives.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Please turn to slide 23, labeled Transformation Runway. We have kept this slide as a reference to illustrate the staggered nature of each of the four initiatives and the various stages of each. We are pleased to note that we believe we are executing well on these initiatives going into 2024. Please turn to slide 24, labeled Balance Sheet and Cash Flow. In Q4, we generated $97 million in Free Cash Flow, up nearly 100% year-over-year, reflecting another strong quarter. For the year, our Free Cash Flow was $550 million, up nearly 94% year-over-year. Our Net Debt Leverage Ratio was 2x, down from 2.6x in Q1. Our total debt was less than $2 billion, and the average interest rate was approximately 5.2%.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Our ROIC was 14.3%, which includes the full impact from the Manitowoc Ice acquisition. With the focus on being good stewards of capital, we continue to target high teens ROIC. We plan to remain disciplined with our capital and continue to focus on debt reduction amid the higher interest rate environment with the potential for share buybacks. Moving to slide 15, titled Q1 and Full Year 2024 Pentair Outlook. For the full year, we are introducing our adjusted EPS guidance of approximately $4.15-$4.25, which represents a year-over-year range of up 11% to up 13%. We expect total Pentair sales in fiscal 2024 to be up approximately to be approximately $4.2 billion, or up about 2%-3%.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

We expect Flow sales to be up low single digits, reflecting low- to mid-single-digit growth in our commercial and industrial businesses, offset slightly by a low single-digit decline in residential. Water solution sales are expected to be essentially flat, comping record 2023 performance, driven by our commercial water business. Commercial sales in full year 2024 are expected to be up low single digits and residential to be down low- to mid-single digits. Pool sales are expected to increase approximately 7% in full year 2024, which aligns the historical compound annual growth rates of mid-single digits pre-pandemic. We expect pool sales to increase, driven primarily by inventory headwinds in 2023, that we do not expect to repeat in 2024, and some benefit of price.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

We expect this growth to be slightly offset by the uncertainty that still exists regarding the macroeconomic environment, higher interest rates, the potential impact of financing for new and remodeled pools, and potential repair deferrals in the aftermarket. We believe pool remains a highly attractive market for us, and we look to deliver strong growth in 2024, while being mindful of macroeconomic dynamics. We expect segment income to increase approximately 10%, with ROS expansion of roughly 150 basis points.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Also, for the full year, we expect corporate expense of approximately $95 million, net interest expense of roughly $100 million, an adjusted tax rate of approximately 16.5%, which is inclusive of changes in the global tax standards for a total impact to Pentair of about $0.07 per share, and a share count of approximately 166 million-167 million. Lastly, we expect to deliver approximately $1 billion in EBITDA in full year 2024, a milestone we are very proud of. For the first quarter, we expect sales to be down approximately 2%-3%. As a reminder, many of our businesses were working down large backlogs in Q1 last year as supply chains improved and we were able to ship more backlog orders.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

In 2024, we expect more normalized seasonality in our businesses. We expect first quarter segment income to be flat to down 3%, primarily due to lower sales, with corporate expense of approximately $25 million, net interest expense of roughly $29 million, an adjusted tax rate of approximately 16.5%, and a share count of approximately 167 million. We expect Q1 to drive ROS expansion, both sequentially and year-on-year. We are also introducing adjusted EPS guidance for the first quarter of approximately $0.88-$0.91. For the first time since 2020, excuse me, we believe we are seeing a return to a more normalized operating environment globally. Thus, we expect to see seasonality resume to historical norms across all three of our segments in 2024, with transformation driving margin expansion.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

In the first half of 2024, we expect adjusted EPS to be slightly less than 50% of our full-year adjusted EPS guide. Q1 is expected to be the lowest quarter for sales, segment income, ROS, and adjusted EPS as compared to the remaining three quarters in full-year 2024. We have continued to accelerate transformation funnels and remain focused on investing in the long-term growth of our company. Turning to slide 16, titled 2023 Reflection, our business continued to execute well and delivered what we said we would do. We drove margins as a result of our balanced water portfolio and transformation initiatives. Manitowoc Ice posted a record year, exceeding expectations. We drove performance accountability across the organization, ended the year with an even stronger balance sheet and free cash flow, and maintained a disciplined capital allocation strategy.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

We believe we are well positioned going into full year 2024. I would now like to turn the call over to the operator for Q&A, after which John will have a few closing remarks. Drew, please open the line for questions. Thank you.

[Operator]

We will now begin the question and answer session. In the interest of time, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

[Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Hi, thanks for taking the questions. This is Grace on for Brian. I just first question on margin, kudos on the margin execution. Just quick question on the margin expansion trajectory here. So if I do the math correct here, your full year guide imply kind of like 140 basis point expansion, while your Q1 guide imply like 20 basis points at the midpoint. So how should we think about the margin expansion trajectory through the year? And which segment should we see the most margin expansion? Thanks.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah, let me just take the first part, and I'll hand it to Bob. I just want to remind everybody that last year's pool inventory correction didn't happen fully until Q2. So we're up against a one more quarter of pool compare from a Q1 perspective. And if you actually look at the performance exiting Q4 and compare it to our Q1 guide, you'll see that the continued operating performance is there.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

And the last point I'll just make, before handing over to Bob, is our Q1 EPS guidance is back to our normal seasonality as a percentage of the overall full year. So what you're really seeing is a reflection that we're back to our normal seasonality contribution, and therefore, the year-over-year compares are harder, one last time in Q1. So, Bob?

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Yeah, I would agree with your numbers. So ROS expansion will continue in the first quarter as we drive approximately, you know, 150 basis points of ROS expansion for the full year. As you'd expect, you know, with Q2 being our largest quarter, the ROS expansion will be significant in Q2 and will also play out well as we close out the year in Q3 and Q4.

[Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Great, thank you. And then, my second question is more on pool. So, your 7, up 7% year-over-year, that's about, like, $90 million of revenue incremental. I think, I believe you talked about, like, the destocking was about $150 million in 2023. So I assume that delta is driven by your cautious around. You called out, like, uncertainty in the macro, higher interest rates. Is that correct? And second, is how much visibility do you have on that 7% growth, and can you talk about, like, the early buy activity? Is that. Does that give you enough confidence to guide 7% year-over-year growth?

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

There's two questions with a lot of subparts, but let me see if I can summarize it. I mean, first of all, we have given two numbers on the inventory piece. We've given $150 and $120. I just want to remind everybody, it's about a $150 for Pentair from the end of Q1 to the end of Q4, 2023. On a year-over-year basis, it's actually closer to $120, which is, you know. Then if you think about exactly what you're saying, you take our reported sales, add the $120, you'll get to the conclusion that, price and volume is down. And I think that reflects, you know, several factors.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

One is that we expect new pool builds to decline only modestly, but then we are not so sure what's going to happen with remodel pools, and we're also expecting some level of discretionary purchases in the aftermarket, in the first half for sure, as people are maybe a little more cautionary, depending on where the interest rates are. Net-net, it's still a fundamentally good growth rate for us as we set up the year, and we're expecting really good conversion of ROS on net contribution.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Julian Mitchell with Barclays. Please go ahead.

[Julian Mitchell, Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

Hi, good morning. Just wanted to circle back to the sort of, you know, profit bridge numbers and maybe looking at slide 12, you know, to try and understand what's embedded for, for 2024. Any help you could give us around the sort of, you know, that inflation bucket, what you're dialing in? You know, it was that sort of $190 number in 2023. And when we look at productivity, very good exit rate, in terms of, you know, $30 million or so tailwind in Q4. How are we thinking about that number for, for full year 2024 as well, please? So yeah, inflation and productivity, any finer points on, on the guide assumption?

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Yeah, understand. Thank you for the question, Julian. So, as we look at 2024 in the context of the walks, you know, we're thinking that price will offset inflation. So think roughly 2 points of price offsetting inflation. That would mean that, in order to grow to the midpoint of our guidance, we'll have, you know, roughly $40 million of volume. That $40 million is compared to the negative $460 million that we saw in 2023. So when we talk about moving to a more normalized environment, we are very pleased that the challenging years are behind us and we can start to grow. That's really how you bridge the revenue piece.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

When you move over to segment income, the price of call it two points will offset inflation. We'll get some drop through, call it in the 30% range of that $40 million of income, and that leaves you with roughly $75 million of transformation to drive the 150 basis points of ROS expansion. That $75 million compares to the $67 million that we did in 2023, but it also includes our us making investments back into the business. So as we drive innovation in places like commercial water and flow and pool, as we look to drive opportunities to improve and make life easier for our dealers and distributors, that's all included in that net $75 million dollar number.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

And that's the bridge that would take you from the $855 million of income in 2023 to the midpoint guide of around $940. I hope that's helpful.

[Julian Mitchell, Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

That's extremely helpful. Thank you. Maybe just a quick follow-up on the top line outlook. So you start out Q1 down a couple of points. The full year is up a couple of points. How are you thinking about the sort of rate of improvement in that year-on-year sales line through the year? Is it just each quarter, year-on-year gets slightly better?

[Julian Mitchell, Equity Research Analyst at Barclays]

And is that true across all three segments, kind of moving in a synchronized wave from down slightly to up slightly? Any clarity on that, please?

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah, that's really how we do view it. We expect growth to return in Q2. Again, Q2 is historically our largest quarter. We had a big Q2 in 2023, but we still expect growth. And then we continue to grow in Q3 and Q4.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Nathan Jones with Stifel. Please go ahead.

[Nathan Jones, Managing Director and Head of Industrials Research at Stifel]

Good morning, everyone.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Morning.

[Nathan Jones, Managing Director and Head of Industrials Research at Stifel]

Let me start with a follow-up on the Transformation Initiatives. I think you guys have some pretty good visibility to the savings that you're going to generate over the next more than one years, two, three, maybe even four years. Can you talk about the linearity of savings realization there out of transformation? Kind of when do those savings peak and start to level off? Just any color you can give us on the longer-term outlook.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah, we're pleased with what we're seeing in terms of transformation reading out. It was $29 million in both Q3 and Q4 of 2023, and as I just mentioned, we're looking at roughly a net $75 million number in 2024. When we look at the funnel, we would expect those type of transformation numbers to continue over the next couple of years. We think the funnel supports the various waves, whether it's pricing, sourcing, the operations, or the org excellence. So we think it's gonna create runway for us over the next couple of years, for sure.

[Nathan Jones, Managing Director and Head of Industrials Research at Stifel]

And then, I guess my follow-up on the water quality business. I think Manitowoc burnt some backlog off that it had built up during supply chain challenges. Is it possible to, excuse me, possible to quantify the tailwind that was there in 2023, that maybe is a bit of a headwind in 2024? And then what the underlying expectations are for growth for Manitowoc Ice in 2024 and beyond.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah, let me just give some color, and I'll let Bob, you know, close out. I mean, I think we enter 2024, especially in the Q1 phase, with much more normalized backlog levels. We still grew nicely in Q4 Manitowoc, and we expect to grow again in Q1. So I think we're at normal levels. Just as a reminder, this business was only taking 60-75 days of orders. You know, so the backlog was more relative to what the nearer term dynamics were, Nathan, not some level of large backlog that wouldn't be used in the future. So, you know, obviously, we're had a great 2023. This business contributed nicely to overall Water Solutions and overall Pentair, and we couldn't be more pleased where we are.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

In 2024 is more about getting the filtration synergies lined up, along with the Manitowoc Ice acquisition. You know, they're the same business unit, and when we gave the numbers of what we expected this business to achieve in the longer term of 25, it was inclusive of those revenue synergies of both the services side and the filtration side. So very pleased where we are and very excited about the contribution we'll see in 2024 and beyond.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Yeah, I would, I would just add that, historically, Ice is a mid-single-digit grower. When we look back at the CAGR, that's historically what they've grown. The 23% increase in 2023 included some nice wins in China, and working down the backlog. So as we look to 2024, we would expect that business to take a little bit of a breather, down mid-single digits. But good news is that the business unit commercial water will actually grow low single digits. So you're seeing some benefit of filtration business, as well as some of the synergies, coming from the Ice acquisition, but being captured, within services and filtration.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

So overall, could not be more pleased with how Ice is performing and continue to, once we get through 2024, be back on that mid-single digit type trajectory.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead.

[Mike Halloran, Senior Research Analyst and Associate Director of Research at Baird]

Hey, thanks, everyone. Morning.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Morning.

[Mike Halloran, Senior Research Analyst and Associate Director of Research at Baird]

Can we just continue on the water solution side and, and round out the residential piece? Easy comps, still expecting some pressure. I'm guessing the cadencing improves through the year, but any, any context on that piece would be helpful.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah, they're easier comps, but it's also the most global of the businesses inside that portfolio. Mike, so we're, you know, we're balancing off, you know, Europe, China, and North America. And while the comps are easier in North America, and we do expect some return to growth, we're not yet seeing the interest rate environment propel new housing starts and/or a lot more movements, which is usually key indicators drive that business. But, you know, we're at levels now where, you know, we're definitely growing off of these compares in North America, but we're anticipating a little bit more choppier outcomes in China and Europe in that business. So net-net, probably slightly down, but getting closer to flat.

[Mike Halloran, Senior Research Analyst and Associate Director of Research at Baird]

Yep, makes sense. Appreciate that. And then, quick clarification on something you said earlier, John. You know, the expectation was for volume and price to be down. I'm assuming you mean that on a net basis and pricing is slightly up and volume.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Correct

[Mike Halloran, Senior Research Analyst and Associate Director of Research at Baird]

.Is the majority of the downside? I just wanted to clarify.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

That's correct.

[Mike Halloran, Senior Research Analyst and Associate Director of Research at Baird]

For the pool.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

I'm planning to expect a net price benefit and a contribution in line with the way that Bob shared it across the total Pentair portfolio, and the offsets to that would be the volume, which would be the market challenges.

[Mike Halloran, Senior Research Analyst and Associate Director of Research at Baird]

That's, that's what I figured, but figured I'd clarify. I appreciate it, everyone. Thank you.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Thank you. Appreciate it.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Scott Graham with Seaport Research. Please go ahead.

[Scott Graham, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners]

Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Just on two quickly, the fourth quarter price cost in, you know, on the water side, I was just, you know, kind of wondering what happened there. That looks like there was some slippage, and does that reverse, you know, maybe in the first quarter or second quarter of this year?

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah. So, a couple dynamics there. I mean, just as a reminder, price in Q4 does also reflect on some of our early buy, so it's not the largest contribution to price in the quarter. Absent that, you know, we were pretty much signaling that we would get closer to price offsetting cost vs having benefited substantially from price being much higher than cost in the first half of the year. So it came in line with expectations, and, and I think as you head forward, as Bob said, we now expect it to, to be offsetting, throughout 2024.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

[Jeff Hammond, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets]

Hey, good morning, everyone.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Morning.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Morning.

[Jeff Hammond, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets]

Hey, so just on the early buy, I think there was some question on, you know, kind of how you're going to spread it for Q1-Q2, and just wondering, you know, if you have more to go in 1Q. Then just on kind of the. You know, maybe just speak to break fix, kind of how you're thinking about that market within the guide.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Yeah, early buys came back to, you know, more normal levels in the fourth quarter. But again, as we typically do, that gets spread between Q4 and Q1, so in line with historically how it's done. In fact, the early buy component in terms of shipments in Q4 was probably a little bit less than historically what we've done.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah, on the break fix, Jeff, I will concede, you know, that we probably have what I'd call a more cautious outlook. I would not call it conservatism. I'd call it more realistic. We just don't know how the interest rate environment is going to affect the consumer being more thoughtful on what's discretionary, not discretionary on the pad. Clearly, we expect products like pumps and filters to be replaced as needed to keep the pool running. But some of your heaters, especially on the high end, and/or some of your lighting, could see some consumer discretion push those off a quarter or two. That's just our outlook. I don't say that that's right.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

I think it's better to take that slant and maybe err to the fact that if that doesn't happen, we're gonna see, you know, a higher level of growth vs taking a more optimistic view and then having to reset the guide again to the lower end in pool. So I would be very clear, I don't know. It's just what we have in our particular view.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Brett Linzey with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

[Brett Linzey, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Mizuho]

Hey, good morning, all.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Morning.

[Brett Linzey, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Mizuho]

Hey, wanted to come back to the capital allocation priorities. You noted the continued deleveraging path, but also the potential for share repurchase. I guess, what would be the gating factor there to drive that decision? And, you know, what would be the optimal leverage you'd be willing to flex for repurchases?

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

Yeah, based into the assumptions that we gave, the $100 million of interest expense and the share count, we have assumed share buyback resumes to offset dilution. So typically, you know, Q1 is a negative free cash flow quarter, but we would also start a share buyback later in the year, is what's based into our assumptions currently.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

And again, that's just to offset dilution at the moment. I think where we're at from a debt EBITDA is prudent. I think at these particular interest rate levels, I think the focus still is on debt reduction. And the way we're gonna look at incremental buyback or M&A is what long-term value does it create for the shareowner, and therefore, which one's the best course of action?

[Brett Linzey, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Mizuho]

Got it. And then, just wanted to circle back on the $75 million of, of transformation that's, that's planned this year. Curious how that factors across the individual segments as we model 2024. And is this primarily from the wave one measures and actions taken last year, or are you doing more, on the operational side in, in 2024?

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

It's primarily the wave one on the sourcing side. Again, just as a reminder, wave one last year looked at electronics, motors, maintenance, repair and operations, packaging, logistics. So we're at the point where that'll start making its way into the P&L. And very early stages of wave two, wave two looked at metals, moldings, resins, ocean rate, and purchase finished goods. So I think we've got a nice cadence there, of the wave one reading out in 2024, and wave two will straddle 2024 and 2025. We'll also start to see some benefits from both the pricing excellence and the operations. On the pricing excellence, we've now rolled the strategic playbook out to almost all of the different categories and GMs.

[Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer at Pentair]

.So again, good, a good cadence there, from a transformation perspective.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

You know, Brett, we got to leave some information for Analyst Day to make sure everybody, you know, attends and comes and listens to us. We'll go a lot more detail, as to how we see all of those waves, working and connected to what the segment expectations will be as well.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Andrew Krill with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

[Andrew Krill, Director and VP at Deutsche Bank]

Hey, thanks. Good morning, everyone. I just want to go back to pricing. I wonder, I know you said about 2 points net for the company, but just wondering, do any of the 3 segments kind of benefit more or less, relative to that 2%? And, you know, are these pricing increases basically already put through, or does it require more price in a kind of midyear or at some point in the year? Thanks.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

It doesn't vary greatly across the segments as far as the expectation. Yes, they are all announced and implemented at this stage.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Joe Giordano with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

[Joe Giordano, Managing Director at TD Cowen]

Hey, guys. Good morning.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Good morning.

[Joe Giordano, Managing Director at TD Cowen]

Hey, so on the Manitowoc Ice, you know, obviously, the growth there on an organic basis, like, looks a lot different than the Water Solutions business as a whole. Can you kind of go through, as best you can, like, buckets of what drove that? Like, how much was just backlog? How much was like, was price in Manitowoc different vs, like, the underlying Water Solutions of, you know, three points for the year? Like, how much were there, like, revenue synergies with the filtration reading out already into 2023? Just if you could kind of just break those into large buckets for growth there.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah, let me simplify it. I mean, right now, we're seeing great traction, especially with Manitowoc and also then the filtrations of Everpure, you know, through distributors into key accounts and also working our way through synergies there. I just want to mention that our services business had a very large project that it worked in 2022, which was for a large customer, the install of frozen carbonated beverages, and we ran up against a year-over-year headwind in that business in Q4. But if you actually look at the filtration and the Manitowoc, you know, contributing nicely, and it's just offset slightly by the headwind of the services business.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

[Andy Kaplowitz, Senior Analyst at Citigroup]

Hey, good morning, everyone.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Morning, Andy.

[Andy Kaplowitz, Senior Analyst at Citigroup]

John, could you give us a little more color into your industrial CapEx exposed businesses within Flow? I think you have the segment up low single digits for 2024. Industrial businesses look good in Q4. So what are you seeing in Flow, and then how are you thinking about your commercial businesses there as well?

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah. So thank you for the question. I mean, we've had pretty nice steady order rates and steady deliveries. And, you know, what we do is very, very important because we're turning waste into value for a lot of our key customers, and we're seeing continued investment in that because it drives productivity for them. It's also a big sustainability play for them, so it's, it's an area where doing the right thing for the planet, and also means a really good value for the customer. And so we've seen a steady order view there, and we feel like we're well positioned heading into 2024.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

On the commercial side, our larger pump business has benefited from, you know, expansion of what I call mainly infrastructure types of projects and the continued build-out in North America related to data centers, warehouses, et cetera. We continue to see that trend as we enter 2024, holding up nicely as well.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

[Deane Dray, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Morning, Deane.

[Deane Dray, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Hey, just want to follow up there on, while we're talking about the formerly known as Industrial Flow Technology. Is there anything - might just be cosmetic, but is there anything to read into the renaming as, as Flow? And just, you know, in answering Andy's question, the, the point of the business today for Pentair is more the focus on residential, commercial, and the opportunities in pool, and it seems less about industrial and data centers and so forth. And maybe I'm just reading too much into it, but my sense is: Are you still the natural owner for this business, and is there any potential that you'd consider a separation?

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah, no, I, I appreciate the question, Deane, and I, you know, we'll spend a little bit of time on this at the Analyst Day in March, but just to share with you how I'm thinking. The relabeling of Flow was actually more of a branding exercise. You know, we want to have a, you know, web presence where we can tell our story, and Flow represents 99.99% of everything we do in the formal, Industrial Flow Technologies, which we just didn't think worked as a naming nomenclature. So that's all it was. It's also shorter, which makes producing reports easier, and that's, that's a big deal, right? But ultimately, Deane, you know, the way I think of the company is we're $1.5 billion in separations and, and, and membrane technologies.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

We're about $1.5 billion of pumps across the enterprise. And then even some of our specialty applications, like heating and cooling of ice, you know, arise in $800 million, which leaves you a couple $100 million of lighting and a $100 million of, you know, other. So when you think of the portfolio, we're not geared to residential other than that's where our dealer base is, and that's where our strength and our presence has been generally accepted around our brands. But as a reminder, we do a couple of hundred million dollars industrial wastewater today, and that's in the Flow side, and we'll continue to build out that capability and technology to continually take advantage of water reuse projects around the world. So.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

You know, we believe this business naturally fits, and we're going to demonstrate that we use those membranes that are used for industrial wastewater applications. We're bringing those back into the residential applications, and we think it's going to give us a differentiated technology advantage as we do so. So really excited about the cross-pollination of technology and really excited about how the segments are working together, while also maximizing what we think is the revenue opportunities within their individual swim lanes.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Steve Tusa with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

[Steve Tusa, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

Hey, guys. Good morning.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Hey, good morning, Steve.

[Mike Halloran, Senior Research Analyst and Associate Director of Research at Baird]

Hi, Steve.

[Steve Tusa, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

How's it going?

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Good. How about you?

[Steve Tusa, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

Grinding it out. Just on this productivity number, can you just quantify how much investments you're, you know, you're throwing in there, just roughly?

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

It's not a lot. I just, you know, you know, if you thought about $10 million-$20 million of reinvestment into the areas of sales and marketing, innovation, digitization. You know, capturing data upstream and bringing that data to help our dealers be successful, and then really just automating the experience between our dealers and our distributors and us are the two biggest opportunities we have. And then, you know, we've got some excitement around three or four of these innovation projects that we'll talk about further, Steve, at the Analyst Day, and I want to continue to invest in them because I think they could be game changers in the long haul. So I'm really pleased with the level of transformation we're realizing.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

You know, these are good businesses that we want to add a little bit of investment back into.

[Steve Tusa, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

You should have thrown AI in there. You missed the opportunity, but on that number, so I guess.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

But you captured it for me, Steve. Now it's in the transcript, so thank you.

[Steve Tusa, Managing Director at JPMorgan]

I guess, though, I thought that the messaging around productivity was more bullish than, you know, I guess a $90 million gross number if I just add back $20 million. Am I missing something there, or is there just, like, conservatism on the way some of that's coming through? I thought the productivity number you were messaging was higher than that.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Yeah. You know, I hate ever using the word conservatism. I think we definitely have a funnel that would suggest we could realize more, and certainly the upper end of the range, we would be realizing more. So I think right now, as we sit here, and we don't see any definitive movement in interest rates for the rest of the year, we haven't planned on any in this forecast. You know, we think we're well-balanced in the way we're positioning this.

[Operator]

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to John Stauch, President and Chief Executive Officer, for any closing remarks.

[John Stauch, President and CEO at Pentair]

Well, thank you for joining the call today. In closing, I wanted to reiterate some key themes on slide 27. First, our balanced water portfolio and transformation initiatives continue to drive significant margin expansion in 2023. Second, we initiated 2024 guidance with expected growth in sales and profitability, reflecting confidence in our strategy and execution across the company. Third, our transformation initiatives have gained momentum in 2023, with expectations to drive further margin expansion in 2024. And finally, we believe our focused growth strategy and solid execution are building a solid foundation for long-term growth, profitability, and shareholder value. Drew, that does conclude the call.

[Operator]

Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Bob Fishman, EVP, CFO, and Chief Accounting Officer
• John Stauch, President and CEO
• Shelly Hubbard, VP of Investor Relations

Analysts

• Andrew Krill, Director and VP at Deutsche Bank
• Andy Kaplowitz, Senior Analyst at Citigroup
• Brett Linzey, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Mizuho
• Deane Dray, Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets
• Jeff Hammond, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets
• Joe Giordano, Managing Director at TD Cowen
• Julian Mitchell, Equity Research Analyst at Barclays
• Mike Halloran, Senior Research Analyst and Associate Director of Research at Baird
• Nathan Jones, Managing Director and Head of Industrials Research at Stifel
• Scott Graham, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners
• Steve Tusa, Managing Director at JPMorgan
• Analyst at Goldman Sachs