NASDAQ:TZOO Travelzoo Q2 2024 Earnings Report $10.03 0.00 (0.00%) Closing price 05/22/2026 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$9.98 -0.04 (-0.45%) As of 05/22/2026 06:50 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Travelzoo EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.23Consensus EPS $0.19Beat/MissBeat by +$0.04One Year Ago EPS$0.17Travelzoo Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$21.14 millionExpected Revenue$21.58 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$440.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/ATravelzoo Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date7/25/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, July 25, 2024Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsTravelzoo's Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Wednesday, July 22, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Travelzoo Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 25, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Travelzoo reported Q2 revenue of $21.1 M, consistent year-over-year, with operating profit up 23% to $4.0 M and GAAP margin rising to 19% from 15% last year. Revenue from membership fees reached $1.2 M in Q2, and with legacy members set to start paying in 2025, each 100,000 conversions at $40/year could add $4 M in annual revenue. The company ended Q2 with a $13.2 M cash position after repurchasing $0.8 M of stock, underscoring a solid balance sheet and financial flexibility. For Q3 2024, management expects year-over-year revenue and profit growth at a slower pace than 2023 but with higher profitability, while 2025 revenue is forecast to grow substantially due to membership fees. Key strategic priorities include converting legacy members to paid subscriptions, adding new benefits, sustaining the Top 20 advertising business, and developing Travelzoo Meta metaverse experiences with disciplined investment. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallTravelzoo Q2 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Travelzoo second quarter 2024 financial results conference call. All participants have been placed in a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for questions following the presentation. Today's call is being recorded. The company would like to remind you that all statements made during the conference call and presented in the slides that are not statements of historical facts constitute forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results could vary materially from those contained in the forward-looking statement. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are described in the company's Form 10-K and Form 10-Q and other SEC filings. Operator00:00:58Unless required by law, the company undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. Please refer to the company's website for important information, including the company's earnings press release issued earlier today. An archive recording of this conference call will be made available on the company's investor relations website at travelzoo.com/ir. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Travelzoo Global CEO, Holger Bartel, and its Finance Director, Lijun Cui. Lijun will start with an overview. Lijun CuiFinance Director at Travelzoo00:01:49Thank you, operator, and welcome to those of you joining us today. Please refer to the management presentation to follow along with our prepared remarks. The presentation in PDF format is available on our investor relations site at travelzoo.com/ir. Let's begin with Slide number 4. Travelzoo's consolidated Q2 revenue was $21.1 million, consistent with the prior year. In constant currencies, revenue was $21.2 million, up from $21.1 million year-over-year. Operating income, which we as management call operating profit, increased 23% year-over-year. Q2 operating profit was $4.0 million, or 19% of revenue, up from $3.3 million in the prior year. As of June 30, 2024, we had 30.8 million unduplicated members, consistent with June 30, 2023. Lijun CuiFinance Director at Travelzoo00:02:55Slide 5 shows that revenue remained consistent in our North America segment, and an increase in our Europe segment. Operating profit turned positive in Europe. On Slide 6, we break down our categories of revenues: advertising, membership fees, and other. Advertising revenue was $20.0 million for Q2 2024, consistent year-over-year. Revenue from membership fees increased to $1.2 million. We expected this revenue to grow substantially in 2025 for the following reason. At the beginning of 2024, we introduced a membership fee. Those who were already members at the time are exempt from the fee during 2024, but have to pay in 2025. We call this group legacy members, and they represent over 95% of current members. Slide 7 shows an example of membership fee revenue recognition. Revenue from membership fee is recognized ratably over the period of the subscription. Lijun CuiFinance Director at Travelzoo00:04:07Member acquisition costs, on the other hand, are recognized in full at the time of the expense. On Slide 8, you can see that our GAAP operating margin was 19% in Q2 2024, compared to 15% a year ago. Slide 9 shows that in North America, the GAAP operating margin remained high at 26% for Q2 2024. On Slide 10, we provide information on non-GAAP operating profit, as we believe it better explains how Travelzoo's management evaluates financial performance. Q2 2024 non-GAAP operating profit was $4.8 million. That's 23% of revenue, compared to non-GAAP operating profit of $4.0 million in the prior year period. Slide 11 provide information about the items that are excluded in the calculation of non-GAAP operating profit. Please turn to Slide 12. Lijun CuiFinance Director at Travelzoo00:05:10We maintained a solid cash position even after repurchasing 800,000 of the company's outstanding common stock. As of June 30, 2024, consolidated cash, cash equivalents, and restricted cash was $13.2 million. Slide 13 show how revenues compare to operating expenses. Most of the company's operating expenses, except for marketing, are relatively fixed in the short to mid-term. We believe we can keep fixed costs relatively low in the foreseeable future. Higher revenues will just increase operating margins. For Q3 2024, we expect a growth in revenue year-over-year, albeit at a slower pace than in 2023. However, there could be unexpected fluctuations. We also expect for Q3 2024, higher profitability year-over-year. Lijun CuiFinance Director at Travelzoo00:06:09...For 2025, we expect a substantial growth in revenue as a result of additional revenue from membership fees. Now I turn the discussion over to Holger. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:06:23Thank you, Lijun. We will continue to leverage Travelzoo's global reach, trusted brand, and strong relationships with top travel suppliers to negotiate more exclusive offers for our members. With more than 30 million members, eight million mobile app users, and four million social media followers, Travelzoo is loved by travel enthusiasts who are affluent, active, and open to new experiences. Slide 15 provides more information about Travelzoo members. 91% say they are open to new destinations and travel ideas. We are the club of travel enthusiasts. Turning to our seventeenth-- turning to Slide 17, it provides an overview of management's focus. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:07:20We are working to convert a large number of legacy members into paying members as of January 1st, 2025, add new benefits to make paid membership even more valuable, retain and grow our profitable advertising business from the popular Top 20 product, utilize higher operating margins to increase EPS, grow Jack's Flight Club's profitable subscription revenue, and develop Travelzoo META with discipline. Now I'd like to speak about Travelzoo META. We are working on the production of the first metaverse travel experiences. They will be browser-enabled, and as stated in previous earnings calls, we are conscious of developing Travelzoo META in a financially disciplined way. We will provide additional updates in due time. I'm now handing over to the operator for questions for Holger, Lijun, and me. Operator00:08:37Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. And if you would like to withdraw that question, again, press star one. We ask that you limit yourself to one question. Your first question comes from the line of Michael Kupinski with Noble Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Michael KupinskiAnalyst at Noble Capital Markets00:09:02Thank you, and thank you for taking the questions. I appreciate it. Just a quick question here, regarding your conversion to subscription. Can you just kind of give us some metrics? I know you're talking about substantial growth in 2025, and I was wondering if you can give us some metrics around what your expectations might be, given that you've been testing different, you know, different marketing events and things like that to gain subscription. And was wondering if you can give us some metrics around your thoughts of 2025, and then how you anticipate the conversion to subscription will affect your advertising and then margins as well. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:09:46Hi, Michael. So on the first question, we are not making any estimates for how many members will convert in 2025. The reason why we are speaking about substantial revenue growth is you can calculate it yourself. For every 100,000 members that convert at a membership fee, which is annually $40, that reflects an incremental $4 million in annual revenue. So that's just 100,000 of the 30 million converting. Now, as I mentioned at the end when I spoke about management's focus, we have a plan for making this transition in a way that it will not affect our advertising business. We are looking to maintain advertising in our popular Top 20. We will share that plan later in fall. Operator00:10:51Your next question comes from the line of James Goss with Barrington Research. Please go ahead. James GossAnalyst at Barrington Research00:11:00Thanks. Just to clarify, Holger, so the Top 20 is not part of the paid for program, and that, can I assume that is the source of a lot of the ad dollars? Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:11:15Hi, Jim. Top 20 is the product with which Travelzoo generates indeed the most advertising revenue, and we have over 30 million subscribers to the Top 20. As I mentioned earlier, yes, Top 20 is of course part of your membership, but we are also looking to retain the advertising business in the Top 20. Operator00:11:45Your next question comes from the line of Steve Silver with Argus Research. Please go ahead. Steve SilverAnalyst at Argus Research00:11:53Thank you. Good morning, and thanks for taking the question, and congratulations on the earnings leverage, both in operating margin expansion as well as the reduction in the number of shares outstanding. I guess my question is, given the current cash balance, with even after the repurchases is still within one quarter of being net positive when you factor in the merchant payables. I'm just curious as to whether there's any updated thinking in terms of the use of cash or the needed use of cash, for investments in new growth initiatives, given the fact that really marketing is the only non-fixed component of expenses over the near term. Thanks. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:12:31Hi, Steve. When it comes to cash, we always very carefully think about where we best use it. Do we invest it in marketing? Do we invest it in product? Do we invest it in acquisitions? Do we invest it in share repurchases? So it's a very deliberate decision we make. We have quite a few opportunities. Related to our expectation for 2025, when legacy members start having to pay a membership fee, we also expect, as I, as I calculated earlier, we also expect that that will quite substantially improve our balance sheet and also increase our cash position. Operator00:13:18Your next question comes from the line of Ed Woo with Ascendiant Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Ed WooAnalyst at Ascendiant Capital Markets00:13:24Yeah. Thank you. Can you talk about how the summer travel season is progressing, and what is your outlook for into the rest of the year in terms of how the travel season industry outlook is? Thank you. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:13:38Hi, Ed. In general, we are seeing in travel, and we're hearing from our partners, a similar story that lots of other companies are hearing. Consumers are becoming more value conscious. They don't want cheap, they don't want overpriced. They want to pay a fair price for what is providing excellent value. That's exactly what Travelzoo does, and there's no difference between the U.S. and Canada, U.K., Germany, and the rest of Europe. We really see the same trend in all the markets. In the last couple of years, the travel industry has used the opportunity of the pent-up demand to increase prices quite tremendously for airline tickets, hotel rooms. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:14:28From what we are hearing, that is coming to an end this year, or at least there's expectations that it could come to an end this year because consumers are looking for more value, and that's exactly what Travelzoo is doing. And with our move to a paid membership, we are creating a closed user group, and within that closed user group, this is something that's important for travel suppliers because they would like to offer special deals, discounts, prices, not publicly, but to a limited group of people. And that's why we are hearing the model of moving to a closed user group is quite attractive for travel suppliers. Operator00:15:12Your next question comes from the line of James Goss with Barrington Research. Please go ahead. James GossAnalyst at Barrington Research00:15:22Hi. One more thing. I was wondering about the new initiatives or the new benefits to the paid membership you referred to. Could you give an example or two of what sort of things you have in mind that might appeal to new members? Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:15:40Hi, Jim, again. You will hear about them over the next few months. It's not something that we would like to disclose previously here before we actually share it with our members. But we have quite a few things in the works that I think our members will truly love and enjoy for the rest of this year, and then in 2025 and beyond. Operator00:16:03That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Holger Bartel for closing remarks. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:16:11Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes our teleconference today. You may disconnect your lines at any time, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Thank you for your time and support. Operator00:16:27This concludes today's conference call. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Travelzoo second quarter 2024 financial results conference call. All participants have been placed in a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for questions following the presentation. Today's call is being recorded. The company would like to remind you that all statements made during the conference call and presented in the slides that are not statements of historical facts constitute forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results could vary materially from those contained in the forward-looking statement. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are described in the company's Form 10-K and Form 10-Q and other SEC filings. Operator00:00:58Unless required by law, the company undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. Please refer to the company's website for important information, including the company's earnings press release issued earlier today. An archive recording of this conference call will be made available on the company's investor relations website at travelzoo.com/ir. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Travelzoo Global CEO, Holger Bartel, and its Finance Director, Lijun Cui. Lijun will start with an overview. Lijun CuiFinance Director at Travelzoo00:01:49Thank you, operator, and welcome to those of you joining us today. Please refer to the management presentation to follow along with our prepared remarks. The presentation in PDF format is available on our investor relations site at travelzoo.com/ir. Let's begin with Slide number 4. Travelzoo's consolidated Q2 revenue was $21.1 million, consistent with the prior year. In constant currencies, revenue was $21.2 million, up from $21.1 million year-over-year. Operating income, which we as management call operating profit, increased 23% year-over-year. Q2 operating profit was $4.0 million, or 19% of revenue, up from $3.3 million in the prior year. As of June 30, 2024, we had 30.8 million unduplicated members, consistent with June 30, 2023. Lijun CuiFinance Director at Travelzoo00:02:55Slide 5 shows that revenue remained consistent in our North America segment, and an increase in our Europe segment. Operating profit turned positive in Europe. On Slide 6, we break down our categories of revenues: advertising, membership fees, and other. Advertising revenue was $20.0 million for Q2 2024, consistent year-over-year. Revenue from membership fees increased to $1.2 million. We expected this revenue to grow substantially in 2025 for the following reason. At the beginning of 2024, we introduced a membership fee. Those who were already members at the time are exempt from the fee during 2024, but have to pay in 2025. We call this group legacy members, and they represent over 95% of current members. Slide 7 shows an example of membership fee revenue recognition. Revenue from membership fee is recognized ratably over the period of the subscription. Lijun CuiFinance Director at Travelzoo00:04:07Member acquisition costs, on the other hand, are recognized in full at the time of the expense. On Slide 8, you can see that our GAAP operating margin was 19% in Q2 2024, compared to 15% a year ago. Slide 9 shows that in North America, the GAAP operating margin remained high at 26% for Q2 2024. On Slide 10, we provide information on non-GAAP operating profit, as we believe it better explains how Travelzoo's management evaluates financial performance. Q2 2024 non-GAAP operating profit was $4.8 million. That's 23% of revenue, compared to non-GAAP operating profit of $4.0 million in the prior year period. Slide 11 provide information about the items that are excluded in the calculation of non-GAAP operating profit. Please turn to Slide 12. Lijun CuiFinance Director at Travelzoo00:05:10We maintained a solid cash position even after repurchasing 800,000 of the company's outstanding common stock. As of June 30, 2024, consolidated cash, cash equivalents, and restricted cash was $13.2 million. Slide 13 show how revenues compare to operating expenses. Most of the company's operating expenses, except for marketing, are relatively fixed in the short to mid-term. We believe we can keep fixed costs relatively low in the foreseeable future. Higher revenues will just increase operating margins. For Q3 2024, we expect a growth in revenue year-over-year, albeit at a slower pace than in 2023. However, there could be unexpected fluctuations. We also expect for Q3 2024, higher profitability year-over-year. Lijun CuiFinance Director at Travelzoo00:06:09...For 2025, we expect a substantial growth in revenue as a result of additional revenue from membership fees. Now I turn the discussion over to Holger. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:06:23Thank you, Lijun. We will continue to leverage Travelzoo's global reach, trusted brand, and strong relationships with top travel suppliers to negotiate more exclusive offers for our members. With more than 30 million members, eight million mobile app users, and four million social media followers, Travelzoo is loved by travel enthusiasts who are affluent, active, and open to new experiences. Slide 15 provides more information about Travelzoo members. 91% say they are open to new destinations and travel ideas. We are the club of travel enthusiasts. Turning to our seventeenth-- turning to Slide 17, it provides an overview of management's focus. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:07:20We are working to convert a large number of legacy members into paying members as of January 1st, 2025, add new benefits to make paid membership even more valuable, retain and grow our profitable advertising business from the popular Top 20 product, utilize higher operating margins to increase EPS, grow Jack's Flight Club's profitable subscription revenue, and develop Travelzoo META with discipline. Now I'd like to speak about Travelzoo META. We are working on the production of the first metaverse travel experiences. They will be browser-enabled, and as stated in previous earnings calls, we are conscious of developing Travelzoo META in a financially disciplined way. We will provide additional updates in due time. I'm now handing over to the operator for questions for Holger, Lijun, and me. Operator00:08:37Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. And if you would like to withdraw that question, again, press star one. We ask that you limit yourself to one question. Your first question comes from the line of Michael Kupinski with Noble Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Michael KupinskiAnalyst at Noble Capital Markets00:09:02Thank you, and thank you for taking the questions. I appreciate it. Just a quick question here, regarding your conversion to subscription. Can you just kind of give us some metrics? I know you're talking about substantial growth in 2025, and I was wondering if you can give us some metrics around what your expectations might be, given that you've been testing different, you know, different marketing events and things like that to gain subscription. And was wondering if you can give us some metrics around your thoughts of 2025, and then how you anticipate the conversion to subscription will affect your advertising and then margins as well. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:09:46Hi, Michael. So on the first question, we are not making any estimates for how many members will convert in 2025. The reason why we are speaking about substantial revenue growth is you can calculate it yourself. For every 100,000 members that convert at a membership fee, which is annually $40, that reflects an incremental $4 million in annual revenue. So that's just 100,000 of the 30 million converting. Now, as I mentioned at the end when I spoke about management's focus, we have a plan for making this transition in a way that it will not affect our advertising business. We are looking to maintain advertising in our popular Top 20. We will share that plan later in fall. Operator00:10:51Your next question comes from the line of James Goss with Barrington Research. Please go ahead. James GossAnalyst at Barrington Research00:11:00Thanks. Just to clarify, Holger, so the Top 20 is not part of the paid for program, and that, can I assume that is the source of a lot of the ad dollars? Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:11:15Hi, Jim. Top 20 is the product with which Travelzoo generates indeed the most advertising revenue, and we have over 30 million subscribers to the Top 20. As I mentioned earlier, yes, Top 20 is of course part of your membership, but we are also looking to retain the advertising business in the Top 20. Operator00:11:45Your next question comes from the line of Steve Silver with Argus Research. Please go ahead. Steve SilverAnalyst at Argus Research00:11:53Thank you. Good morning, and thanks for taking the question, and congratulations on the earnings leverage, both in operating margin expansion as well as the reduction in the number of shares outstanding. I guess my question is, given the current cash balance, with even after the repurchases is still within one quarter of being net positive when you factor in the merchant payables. I'm just curious as to whether there's any updated thinking in terms of the use of cash or the needed use of cash, for investments in new growth initiatives, given the fact that really marketing is the only non-fixed component of expenses over the near term. Thanks. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:12:31Hi, Steve. When it comes to cash, we always very carefully think about where we best use it. Do we invest it in marketing? Do we invest it in product? Do we invest it in acquisitions? Do we invest it in share repurchases? So it's a very deliberate decision we make. We have quite a few opportunities. Related to our expectation for 2025, when legacy members start having to pay a membership fee, we also expect, as I, as I calculated earlier, we also expect that that will quite substantially improve our balance sheet and also increase our cash position. Operator00:13:18Your next question comes from the line of Ed Woo with Ascendiant Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Ed WooAnalyst at Ascendiant Capital Markets00:13:24Yeah. Thank you. Can you talk about how the summer travel season is progressing, and what is your outlook for into the rest of the year in terms of how the travel season industry outlook is? Thank you. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:13:38Hi, Ed. In general, we are seeing in travel, and we're hearing from our partners, a similar story that lots of other companies are hearing. Consumers are becoming more value conscious. They don't want cheap, they don't want overpriced. They want to pay a fair price for what is providing excellent value. That's exactly what Travelzoo does, and there's no difference between the U.S. and Canada, U.K., Germany, and the rest of Europe. We really see the same trend in all the markets. In the last couple of years, the travel industry has used the opportunity of the pent-up demand to increase prices quite tremendously for airline tickets, hotel rooms. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:14:28From what we are hearing, that is coming to an end this year, or at least there's expectations that it could come to an end this year because consumers are looking for more value, and that's exactly what Travelzoo is doing. And with our move to a paid membership, we are creating a closed user group, and within that closed user group, this is something that's important for travel suppliers because they would like to offer special deals, discounts, prices, not publicly, but to a limited group of people. And that's why we are hearing the model of moving to a closed user group is quite attractive for travel suppliers. Operator00:15:12Your next question comes from the line of James Goss with Barrington Research. Please go ahead. James GossAnalyst at Barrington Research00:15:22Hi. One more thing. I was wondering about the new initiatives or the new benefits to the paid membership you referred to. Could you give an example or two of what sort of things you have in mind that might appeal to new members? Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:15:40Hi, Jim, again. You will hear about them over the next few months. It's not something that we would like to disclose previously here before we actually share it with our members. But we have quite a few things in the works that I think our members will truly love and enjoy for the rest of this year, and then in 2025 and beyond. Operator00:16:03That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Holger Bartel for closing remarks. Holger BartelCEO at Travelzoo00:16:11Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes our teleconference today. You may disconnect your lines at any time, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. Thank you for your time and support. Operator00:16:27This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesHolger BartelCEOLijun CuiFinance DirectorAnalystsEd WooAnalyst at Ascendiant Capital MarketsJames GossAnalyst at Barrington ResearchMichael KupinskiAnalyst at Noble Capital MarketsSteve SilverAnalyst at Argus ResearchPowered by