TSE:CU Canadian Utilities Q2 2024 Earnings Report C$48.75 +0.27 (+0.56%) As of 11:07 AM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Canadian Utilities EPS ResultsActual EPSC$0.43Consensus EPS C$0.42Beat/MissBeat by +C$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/ACanadian Utilities Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$860.00 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACanadian Utilities Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date8/2/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, August 2, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress ReleaseInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Canadian Utilities Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 2, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Canadian Utilities delivered Q2 2024 adjusted earnings of $117 million, up 17% year-over-year, and reported EPS of $0.43, underscoring strong operational execution. ATCO Energy Systems achieved adjusted earnings of $112 million (+14% YoY), driven by rate base growth and a higher allowed ROE, affirmed a 4–5% long-term rate base growth range, and advanced the $2 billion+ Yellowhead pipeline. ATCO MPOWER generated $18 million in adjusted earnings—double last year’s result—fuelled by a wind turbine settlement, a 24% generation increase, and robust energy storage demand, and took FID on the Atlas carbon storage hub with Shell. ATCO Australia posted stable Q2 adjusted earnings of $17 million, benefiting from better PPA pricing and cost efficiencies, and has submitted its revised AA6 plan to regulators with a decision expected in November. Regulatory uncertainty persists as Canadian Utilities appeals an Alberta PBR decision and continues discussions over operating costs and depreciation in Australia, posing potential future risks. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCanadian Utilities Q2 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the second quarter 2024 results conference call and webcast for Canadian Utilities Limited. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing the star button and the number zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Colin Jackson, Senior Vice President of Financial Operations. Please go ahead, Mr. Jackson. Colin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCO00:00:40Thank you, and good morning, everyone. We are pleased you could join us for Canadian Utilities' second quarter 2024 conference call. With me today, we have Katie Patrick, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Canadian Utilities; Wayne Stensby, Chief Operating Officer of ATCO Energy Systems; Clint Warkentin, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial and Investment Officer of ATCO Energy Systems; Bob Myles, Chief Operating Officer at ATCO EnPower; and Greg Stevenson, Chief Financial Officer of ATCO EnPower. Before we move on with today's remarks, I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the numerous traditional territories and homelands on which our global facilities are located. Today, we are speaking to you from our ATCO Park head office in Calgary, which is located in Treaty 7 Region. Colin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCO00:01:35This is the ancestral territory of the Blackfoot Confederacy, comprised of the Siksika, the Kainai, and the Piikani Nations, the Tsuut'ina Nation, and the Stoney Nakoda Nations, which includes the Chiniki, Bearspaw, and Goodstoney First Nations. I also want to recognize that the city of Calgary is home to the Métis Nation of Alberta, Districts 5 and 6. During our second quarter, we proudly celebrated National Indigenous History Month, a time to honor the stories, achievements, and resilience of Indigenous peoples. We carry this message beyond the month of June and respect the diverse history, languages, ceremonies, and cultures of the Indigenous peoples who call these areas home. We will first hear from Katie, who will deliver opening comments on our financial results and recent company developments, followed by an update from Wayne and Bob on their respective business segments. Colin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCO00:02:31Following today's remarks, the Canadian Utilities team will then take questions from the investment community. We ask that you limit questions to two per analyst, and if you have additional questions, please re-enter the queue. For any detailed modeling questions, please follow up with the investor relations team after today's call. Please note that a replay of the conference call, a short supplemental presentation, and today's transcript will be available on our website at canadianutilities.com following the call. The materials can be found in the investor section under Events and Presentations. Today's remarks will include forward-looking statements that are subject to important risks and uncertainties. For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our filings with the Canadian Securities Regulators. Colin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCO00:03:23During today's presentation, we may refer to certain non-GAAP and other financial measures, such as total of segment measures, Adjusted Earnings, Adjusted Earnings per Share, and capital investment. Beginning in this quarter, we have also provided adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization, or Adjusted EBITDA for ATCO EnPower. These non-GAAP measures do not have any standardized meaning under IFRS, and as a result, they may not be comparable to similar measures presented by other entities. Now, I'll turn the call over to Katie for her opening remarks. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:04:02Thanks, Colin, and good morning, everyone. Thank you all very much for joining us today. This quarter's results highlight our continued focus on operational execution and demonstrate the momentum we are building towards our strategic growth plans. Canadian Utilities delivered another strong quarter with adjusted earnings of CAD 117 million in the second quarter of 2024, up 17% from the same period last year. This translates to adjusted earnings per share of CAD 0.43. ATCO Energy Systems delivered adjusted earnings of CAD 112 million, an increase of 14% from Q2 of last year. Results were mainly driven by our electric transmission business, which benefited from rate based growth and higher allowed ROE in 2023. Wayne will dive into the energy systems results later on this call. ATCO EnPower delivered adjusted earnings of CAD 18 million in the quarter, up CAD 10 million from the same period last year. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:05:03Electricity generation recorded Adjusted Earnings of CAD 8 million in Q2 2024, up from CAD 5 million last year. These results benefited from a settlement with a major supplier related to wind turbine availability in 2023 and an increase of 24% in generation, the details of which are provided in the MD&A. Over to the energy side, Adjusted Earnings doubled year-over-year to CAD 10 million. This business is performing very well and continues to drive growth amid strong spreads and high demand for natural gas and liquid storage. Bob will provide additional commentary on the EnPower results later on today's call. ATCO Australia delivered Adjusted Earnings of CAD 17 million in the second quarter, consistent with the same period last year. Australia benefited from favorable changes to PPA power pricing and cost efficiencies. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:06:01This was offset by lower CPI expectations, which fell from roughly 4.5% in 2023 to approximately 3% this year. During the quarter, we submitted our revised Sixth Access Arrangement, or AA6 plan, to the Australian regulator. Our response included additional supporting material for demand and expenditure forecasts, our updated IT strategy, as well as modeling for accelerated depreciation. We are actively engaged with the Australian regulator on the review of the additional information provided. We believe alignment is achievable and expect to finalize the AA6 plan in November of this year. Finally, we continue to make progress on our growth priorities in Australia. We installed over 3,600 new customer connections during the quarter and over 7,100 new customers year to date. Beginning in July, we began work on a sell-down process for the Central West Pumped Hydro initiative, and we are busy evaluating next steps for this project. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:07:04On the South Australian Government Hydrogen Jobs Plan, we continue to work alongside our partners to bring this initiative to market. During the quarter, and as part of our ongoing drive for operational efficiencies, we took steps to streamline our cost structure. We took a hard look at our corporate overhead and business units to ensure our teams are fit for purpose and aligned to our renewed growth ambitions. Heading into the second half of the year, the Canadian Utilities team is refreshed, nimble, and laser-focused on executing our project pipeline. Stepping back and looking at Canadian Utilities as a whole, cash flow from operations was CAD 471 million in the quarter, which supported our operations, capital program, and normal course financial commitments. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:07:52Currently, our portfolio of operating assets generates enough cash flow to fund our development pipeline, and we do not anticipate the need for additional equity financing in the near term. With that, let's dive into each segment in more detail. I will now turn the call over to Wayne to discuss the ATCO Energy Systems results. Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:08:14Good morning, everyone, and thank you, Katie. Just before I get to the numbers, I want to address the current wildfire situation that we're seeing here in Alberta, and in particular, the recent devastating impact that the wildfires have had on the historic mountain community of Jasper. As we speak this morning, there are over 100 active wildfires across Alberta, and the ATCO Energy Systems teams are working with first responders on the response to these fires. In terms of Jasper, we, like so many others, are heartbroken for the devastation facing the mountain community. ATCO has provided natural gas and electricity to the community of Jasper for well over 80 years. We have employees who live in Jasper, and our teams worked arm in arm on the response, and we will continue to partner with the community on the recovery, the reentry, and the eventual rebuild. Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:09:12ATCO Energy Systems delivered another strong quarter with adjusted earnings of CAD 112 million. This is CAD 14 million up from the same period in 2023. Our second quarter results have benefited from the previously disclosed increase in allowable ROE from 8.5% in 2023 to 9.28% in 2024, as well as rate base growth. As Katie mentioned, in this quarter, we have carried out some restructuring as we continue to focus on cost efficiencies and also get ourselves aligned and 100% focused on our higher growth future. Year to date, we have invested CAD 565 million to serve the evolving needs of our customers, and we are on pace to deliver our 2024 capital investment guidance of CAD 1.2 billion. Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:10:05The focus areas for our capital investment include customer growth, and we continue to see large quantities of customer growth here in Alberta, system resilience, climate adaptation, decarbonization, and grid modernization. Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:10:21In the second quarter, we announced the Yellowhead Mainline project, an approximately 200 km pipeline that will deliver 1 billion cubic feet of natural gas per day to Alberta's Industrial Heartland. This investment will exceed $2 billion and will enable tens of billions of dollars of new investment in major industrial projects such as Dow's Path2Zero, as well as supporting the ongoing growth and demand that we're seeing. We are already consulting with stakeholders, and we expect to start the regulatory process this quarter, with construction commencing in 2026. On our electricity side, our Central East Transfer-Out, or CETO, electric transmission project is also progressing well, and construction will begin later this quarter. As a reminder, this project is an 85 km, 240 kV double circuit high-voltage electric transmission line and the associated substation expansions. Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:11:26In the quarter, along with the announcement of Yellowhead, we increased the top end of our guidance for three-year rate-based growth to $4.7 billion, which represents a compound annual growth rate of 4.3%. We also affirmed our long-term rate-based growth range of 4%-5%, for which we are feeling very good. On the regulatory side, the Alberta Utilities Commission released a decision that concluded, while there was no flaw in the electric and gas distribution performance-based regulation plans, there was a problem with the operation of these plans. We disagree with this decision, and we have sought permission to appeal it with the Alberta Court of Appeal. We expect a decision on our appeal in 2025, and we will continue to provide updates on this process. And with that, I turn the call over to Bob, who will speak to EnPower's results this quarter. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:12:24Thanks, Wayne, and good morning, everyone. As Katie indicated earlier, EnPower's adjusted earnings were up from the same period in 2023. Within our electric generation business, we recognize an expected settlement related to the historical availability of our wind turbines. Following our contractual discussions with our wind turbine supplier, we have agreed on the amount of generation that was lost in 2023 due to these technical issues, and we are finalizing the recovery with this supplier. In addition, the vendor has also recently completed the necessary warrantied repairs to the wind turbines, which should continue to improve generation into the second half of 2024. We expect the settlement to be completed in the second half of this year. Looking at our generation this quarter, our Oldman River hydro asset was returned to service following significant spring rainfall and the alleviation of drought conditions in southern Alberta in Q1 2024. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:13:31Wind generation increased 9% as our Forty Mile and Adelaide assets benefited from favorable weather conditions and stronger operating performance. We also saw contributions from our Barlow, Deerfoot, and Empress Solar assets, which achieved commercial operations in the second half of 2023. Moving to our storage and industrial water business, we recorded another strong quarter, with adjusted earnings growing $5 million from Q2 2023 to $10 million in Q2 2024. Higher earnings this quarter were primarily driven by increased volumes, with the team securing several fixed and long-term contracts. These contracts provide line of sight to higher margins and earnings as we move forward through 2024. EnPower's adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $45 million, up 45% from $31 million last year. These results reflect the operational performance discussed earlier. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:14:40During the quarter, the federal government passed Bill C-59, which approved investment tax credits related to, among other things, carbon capture, utilization, and storage. This enabled us to take a positive final investment decision on our Atlas Carbon Storage Hub alongside our partner Shell. This multi-phase open access carbon storage hub is a major milestone in our commitment to advancing products and services, which may contribute positively to society's goal of reducing emissions. This is the first step in ATCO EnPower's work to create a full value chain for hydrogen development, from production and carbon abatement to transport and export. The Atlas Carbon Storage Hub is integral to ATCO's long-term strategy and sustainability aspirations. Finally, and speaking more about the Heartland Hydrogen Hub, we have made significant progress advancing this important opportunity. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:15:42We have entered into a letter of intent with an operator and equity partner for both domestic and export opportunities. We are also progressing discussions with interested First Nations to participate in our large hydrogen initiative. We continue to work towards making a project FID in 2025, and we will continue to provide updates as we progress this important project. With that, I'll now pass the call back to Katie. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:16:11Thanks, Bob and Wayne. Canadian Utilities delivered another great quarter, and we are on a strong footing for 2024. As we talked about on our Q1 call and during our AGM, the entire Canadian Utilities team is focused on delivering this new phase of growth we have set out for ourselves. We are building momentum across our businesses, growing earnings, all while delivering sustainable shareholder value. With that, we will now open the line for questions. Operator00:16:41We will now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Once again, anyone on the conference call who wishes to ask a question may press star then one at this time. The first question comes from Mark Jarvey with CIBC Capital Markets. You may now go ahead. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:17:15Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just on the hydrogen project, you've got a letter of intent. When would you be in a position to share who the partners are outlined, sort of how you see this coming to the formation of the project? And are you leaning towards more an export for the offtake, or is it a domestic use case at this point? Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:17:38Hi, Mark. Bob here. I want to be able to tell you who the party is, but right now it's still confidential. I did want to share with everyone that we did, as we said in Q2, at the end of Q2, we wanted to be able to announce that we have found a partner. We really were focusing on bringing a partner in who brings operational capabilities on the hydrogen side. With regards to domestic and export, we are pursuing both. We're currently looking at the export side because there are a lot of auctions that are proceeding in the Southeast Asia market, and we really want to be participating in that. As you know, a lot of the export is really tied to us being able to address the rail concerns and being able to get the product to market. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:18:28We do want to progress both domestic and export. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:18:32What holds you back from communicating who the operating partner is? Is it just you haven't finalized all the documentation and the structure of the arrangement, or is there something else? Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:18:43No, it's more, Mark, our partners asked us, say, we want to just get aligned on how we make this announcement. This is quite recent. This is in the last couple of weeks. So we hope to be able to inform everybody here in the very near future. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:18:59Okay. And then turning to the access arrangement in Australia, given your interactions as you go through this process now in the last couple of months, where are you seeing alignment on which items and what aspects of the initial provisional sort of decision? Are you still struggling to get sort of alignment with what your views would be and push back from the regulators? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:19:24Yeah. I mean, I mentioned a few things, Mark. Sorry, it's Katie. I mentioned a few areas that we continue to have discussion on. I think we've had a very open dialogue with the regulator down there, and I've exchanged a lot of information. In particular, the operating costs, the accelerated depreciation, and the demand forecast are the three areas that we continue to work with them on. I do believe that there is an alignment or a solution that will come somewhere between where our original submission was and where their original draft response was. But I think we should obviously, we'll have that in roughly November timeframe, and we look forward to a positive decision there. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:20:11Okay. Last question for me is, just can you elaborate on the restructurings? Any financial impact, whether it's near-term costs and/or medium or longer-term earnings benefits from those efforts? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:20:25Sure. Yeah. As I mentioned, we're focused on trying to drive cost efficiencies, as we always are. In particular, we took a hard look at our corporate overhead structure in this quarter across our business units and at the corporate level. We do have no disclosure on the total amount of the severance and restructuring for the quarter, with a small amount anticipated still to come, very small amount. In terms of ongoing cost savings, we're not going to disclose exact figures, but we obviously look to continue to benefit from those cost restructuring initiatives in the future years, but as well set ourselves up with the right team and the right people to drive growth across the business as we move forward into our new strategic initiatives. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:21:15Would we see any cost savings through the balance of this year? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:21:21We do have some modest cost savings this year, yes. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:21:23Okay. I'll leave it there. Thanks for the time today, everyone. Operator00:21:29Our next question will come from Maurice Choi with RBC Capital Markets. You may now go ahead. Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:21:36Thanks, Anne. Good morning, everyone. Maybe just starting off with the hydrogen bid. Can you discuss what remains as the bottleneck in signing the offtaker, both on a domestic and export side? I know you mentioned specifically for the export, there is the rail bit. So what is the status of getting regulations amended to accommodate this? But just bottlenecks for both domestic and export, please. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:22:03Hi, Maurice. Bob here again. If I could start with the domestic. On the domestic side, I would say the bottleneck is really still the need for certainty on the policies and the programs here in Canada. And in particular, I think the ITC has been really helpful from the federal government, but there's still uncertainty as to what's going to happen in the future with the Clean Fuel Standard. And will that continue, or will it not? So those are the things that are really holding back some of the domestic market, in my mind. With regards to export, and having been very recently in the Japanese market, it's really coming down to the Asian market getting comfort with Canada, that Canada will be able to provide the product if they enter into contracts with us. And it's all around rail. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:23:03And so if they can't get the confidence, they being the Asian market, that we can resolve our rail issues here, then they're not going to enter into any contracts with Canada. So that's kind of what we're working on as we speak. Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:23:19Just as a follow-up on that rail bit, is it just purely regulation, or is it just availability of trains and ships? Can you just elaborate that? Specifically, when do you think this will get resolved on the rail side? Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:23:36Yeah. So the first thing on the rail side is there are a bunch of capital improvements that I think everybody feels is needed to be able to transport ammonia safely. And even though ammonia is being transported today, the projects we're looking at is an increase in the amount of ammonia that will be transported. So it's a safety issue that Transport Canada really needs to get comfort around, as well as our rail provider. And then secondly is the issue around indemnity and liability and making sure everyone gets comfortable with that. So those are the two main areas of concern that we have to address. With regards to timing, Maurice, we're pushing to still be involved in auctions this year. So we're pushing the government and we're pushing the rail provider to be able to address that with industry in 2024. And that's our timeline. Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:24:39Got it. Thanks. The second question relates to, obviously, a small one, but obviously, the decision to suspend the DRIP in July. Not that you are saving much cash given the participation rate here, but just philosophically speaking, what has changed between when you reinitiated the DRIP to right now? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:25:03Sorry, Maurice. You cut out there for one second. Could you repeat the question? Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:25:07Yeah. Sorry about that. The question was about the DRIP and your decision to suspend the program back in July. You weren't saving a whole lot of cash with this plan because of the participation. But just wondering, philosophically speaking, what has changed from the time that you reinitiated the program to right now? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:25:30Yeah. I think there were two big factors there. I mean, we looked at the participation, which, as you noted, I think investors right now are very mindful of their cash dividend in this environment. We looked at the participation, which was very low. As you noted, it was not saving a significant amount of cash. Combined with the dilutive impact based on the share price of where we're at with the DRIP, we didn't make the determination to suspend that at the moment. Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:26:01So while it is dilutive impact to EPS, clearly, you do have quite a bit of cash needs in the future. So I suppose this DRIP, I should separate this DRIP decision from how you view how much cash equity you need in the future, which still remains relatively higher than the past, right? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:26:24Yeah. I mean, obviously, as we drive rate-based growth, we're going to continue to have needs to finance that growth. And as I mentioned in my comments, in the near term, we don't anticipate needing equity. But as we move forward and start to accelerate that rate-based growth, we'll obviously consider all our options available to us to make sure we maximize shareholder value in our financing decisions. Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:26:52Understood. Thank you very much. Operator00:26:56Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. Our next question will come from Ben Pham with BMO. You may now go ahead. Ben PhamSenior Analyst at BMO00:27:07Hi. Thanks. Morning. There was reference to feeling good about the 4%-5% rate-based growth. Can you clarify? I think the thinking was that was going to be more of a long-term or, sorry, long-term outcome versus something a bit more near-term in the next few years. Has that changed at all, or is it maybe there's a bit more in an accelerated CapEx cycle you can see? Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:27:37Yeah. No, Ben, I think thank you. It's Wayne Stensby speaking. Yeah. I think I was kind of providing my sentiment that we continue to see very, very strong growth here in Alberta. And as we work with our customers, even just through the last few months, we continue to see signs of increased demand for both electricity and gas capacity. So we are maintaining the guidance that we shared at our May AGM. However, I would just indicate that we continue to feel very good about that guidance. And our focus is not only on Yellowhead, although Yellowhead is a very near-term permitting discussion for us, but it's a number of other opportunities as well. Ben PhamSenior Analyst at BMO00:28:39And just on an equity need question, if the rate base goes to 5%, does that change the calculus on needing equity and that you can't self-fund your program anymore? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:28:59Thanks, Ben. Yeah. No, as I mentioned, in the near term, we do not anticipate having any equity issuance needed to fund our near-term growth. Over the longer term, if we are successful, and we certainly will be in driving our rate base growth to those levels of 5%+, then we'll have to look at all available options to us, including equity, capital recycling, or other measures to fund that growth. Ben PhamSenior Analyst at BMO00:29:25Okay. Got it. And maybe lastly, maybe just more of a reminder, I mean, just the 10-year is hitting 3% here in Canada today. Can you remind us at what level does that ROE, it went up last year, but those 3% actually push it down into next year? And can you also clarify that? That only impacts your non-PBR utility assets, right? Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:29:58Yeah. Hi, Ben. It's Clint Warkentin here. That's right. Long-term bond rates have come down since November when the 2024 return on equity was set. The commission will establish 2025's return on equity in November of this year. The bond rates are said will be lower, so the ROE would come down if bond rates stay as they are at the moment. In terms of the generic cost of capital decision, that return on equity applies across all of our regulated utilities, so our electric and gas distribution and transmission utilities. And that will happen every year. It's on a formula, so that will happen every year, November each year. It'll get redetermined. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:30:46I just want to check that. But the PBR ones, is that rate-based too with that, or are you protected there? Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:30:55Sorry, on the PBR ones, so the return on equity piece does get determined every year. Ben PhamSenior Analyst at BMO00:31:02Okay. All right. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Operator00:31:09This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Colin Jackson for any closing remarks. Colin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCO00:31:19Thank you, Anthony. Thank you all for participating today. We appreciate your interest in Canadian Utilities, and we look forward to speaking with you again soon. That concludes today's call. Operator00:31:34This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the second quarter 2024 results conference call and webcast for Canadian Utilities Limited. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing the star button and the number zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Colin Jackson, Senior Vice President of Financial Operations. Please go ahead, Mr. Jackson. Colin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCO00:00:40Thank you, and good morning, everyone. We are pleased you could join us for Canadian Utilities' second quarter 2024 conference call. With me today, we have Katie Patrick, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Canadian Utilities; Wayne Stensby, Chief Operating Officer of ATCO Energy Systems; Clint Warkentin, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial and Investment Officer of ATCO Energy Systems; Bob Myles, Chief Operating Officer at ATCO EnPower; and Greg Stevenson, Chief Financial Officer of ATCO EnPower. Before we move on with today's remarks, I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the numerous traditional territories and homelands on which our global facilities are located. Today, we are speaking to you from our ATCO Park head office in Calgary, which is located in Treaty 7 Region. Colin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCO00:01:35This is the ancestral territory of the Blackfoot Confederacy, comprised of the Siksika, the Kainai, and the Piikani Nations, the Tsuut'ina Nation, and the Stoney Nakoda Nations, which includes the Chiniki, Bearspaw, and Goodstoney First Nations. I also want to recognize that the city of Calgary is home to the Métis Nation of Alberta, Districts 5 and 6. During our second quarter, we proudly celebrated National Indigenous History Month, a time to honor the stories, achievements, and resilience of Indigenous peoples. We carry this message beyond the month of June and respect the diverse history, languages, ceremonies, and cultures of the Indigenous peoples who call these areas home. We will first hear from Katie, who will deliver opening comments on our financial results and recent company developments, followed by an update from Wayne and Bob on their respective business segments. Colin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCO00:02:31Following today's remarks, the Canadian Utilities team will then take questions from the investment community. We ask that you limit questions to two per analyst, and if you have additional questions, please re-enter the queue. For any detailed modeling questions, please follow up with the investor relations team after today's call. Please note that a replay of the conference call, a short supplemental presentation, and today's transcript will be available on our website at canadianutilities.com following the call. The materials can be found in the investor section under Events and Presentations. Today's remarks will include forward-looking statements that are subject to important risks and uncertainties. For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our filings with the Canadian Securities Regulators. Colin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCO00:03:23During today's presentation, we may refer to certain non-GAAP and other financial measures, such as total of segment measures, Adjusted Earnings, Adjusted Earnings per Share, and capital investment. Beginning in this quarter, we have also provided adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization, or Adjusted EBITDA for ATCO EnPower. These non-GAAP measures do not have any standardized meaning under IFRS, and as a result, they may not be comparable to similar measures presented by other entities. Now, I'll turn the call over to Katie for her opening remarks. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:04:02Thanks, Colin, and good morning, everyone. Thank you all very much for joining us today. This quarter's results highlight our continued focus on operational execution and demonstrate the momentum we are building towards our strategic growth plans. Canadian Utilities delivered another strong quarter with adjusted earnings of CAD 117 million in the second quarter of 2024, up 17% from the same period last year. This translates to adjusted earnings per share of CAD 0.43. ATCO Energy Systems delivered adjusted earnings of CAD 112 million, an increase of 14% from Q2 of last year. Results were mainly driven by our electric transmission business, which benefited from rate based growth and higher allowed ROE in 2023. Wayne will dive into the energy systems results later on this call. ATCO EnPower delivered adjusted earnings of CAD 18 million in the quarter, up CAD 10 million from the same period last year. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:05:03Electricity generation recorded Adjusted Earnings of CAD 8 million in Q2 2024, up from CAD 5 million last year. These results benefited from a settlement with a major supplier related to wind turbine availability in 2023 and an increase of 24% in generation, the details of which are provided in the MD&A. Over to the energy side, Adjusted Earnings doubled year-over-year to CAD 10 million. This business is performing very well and continues to drive growth amid strong spreads and high demand for natural gas and liquid storage. Bob will provide additional commentary on the EnPower results later on today's call. ATCO Australia delivered Adjusted Earnings of CAD 17 million in the second quarter, consistent with the same period last year. Australia benefited from favorable changes to PPA power pricing and cost efficiencies. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:06:01This was offset by lower CPI expectations, which fell from roughly 4.5% in 2023 to approximately 3% this year. During the quarter, we submitted our revised Sixth Access Arrangement, or AA6 plan, to the Australian regulator. Our response included additional supporting material for demand and expenditure forecasts, our updated IT strategy, as well as modeling for accelerated depreciation. We are actively engaged with the Australian regulator on the review of the additional information provided. We believe alignment is achievable and expect to finalize the AA6 plan in November of this year. Finally, we continue to make progress on our growth priorities in Australia. We installed over 3,600 new customer connections during the quarter and over 7,100 new customers year to date. Beginning in July, we began work on a sell-down process for the Central West Pumped Hydro initiative, and we are busy evaluating next steps for this project. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:07:04On the South Australian Government Hydrogen Jobs Plan, we continue to work alongside our partners to bring this initiative to market. During the quarter, and as part of our ongoing drive for operational efficiencies, we took steps to streamline our cost structure. We took a hard look at our corporate overhead and business units to ensure our teams are fit for purpose and aligned to our renewed growth ambitions. Heading into the second half of the year, the Canadian Utilities team is refreshed, nimble, and laser-focused on executing our project pipeline. Stepping back and looking at Canadian Utilities as a whole, cash flow from operations was CAD 471 million in the quarter, which supported our operations, capital program, and normal course financial commitments. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:07:52Currently, our portfolio of operating assets generates enough cash flow to fund our development pipeline, and we do not anticipate the need for additional equity financing in the near term. With that, let's dive into each segment in more detail. I will now turn the call over to Wayne to discuss the ATCO Energy Systems results. Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:08:14Good morning, everyone, and thank you, Katie. Just before I get to the numbers, I want to address the current wildfire situation that we're seeing here in Alberta, and in particular, the recent devastating impact that the wildfires have had on the historic mountain community of Jasper. As we speak this morning, there are over 100 active wildfires across Alberta, and the ATCO Energy Systems teams are working with first responders on the response to these fires. In terms of Jasper, we, like so many others, are heartbroken for the devastation facing the mountain community. ATCO has provided natural gas and electricity to the community of Jasper for well over 80 years. We have employees who live in Jasper, and our teams worked arm in arm on the response, and we will continue to partner with the community on the recovery, the reentry, and the eventual rebuild. Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:09:12ATCO Energy Systems delivered another strong quarter with adjusted earnings of CAD 112 million. This is CAD 14 million up from the same period in 2023. Our second quarter results have benefited from the previously disclosed increase in allowable ROE from 8.5% in 2023 to 9.28% in 2024, as well as rate base growth. As Katie mentioned, in this quarter, we have carried out some restructuring as we continue to focus on cost efficiencies and also get ourselves aligned and 100% focused on our higher growth future. Year to date, we have invested CAD 565 million to serve the evolving needs of our customers, and we are on pace to deliver our 2024 capital investment guidance of CAD 1.2 billion. Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:10:05The focus areas for our capital investment include customer growth, and we continue to see large quantities of customer growth here in Alberta, system resilience, climate adaptation, decarbonization, and grid modernization. Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:10:21In the second quarter, we announced the Yellowhead Mainline project, an approximately 200 km pipeline that will deliver 1 billion cubic feet of natural gas per day to Alberta's Industrial Heartland. This investment will exceed $2 billion and will enable tens of billions of dollars of new investment in major industrial projects such as Dow's Path2Zero, as well as supporting the ongoing growth and demand that we're seeing. We are already consulting with stakeholders, and we expect to start the regulatory process this quarter, with construction commencing in 2026. On our electricity side, our Central East Transfer-Out, or CETO, electric transmission project is also progressing well, and construction will begin later this quarter. As a reminder, this project is an 85 km, 240 kV double circuit high-voltage electric transmission line and the associated substation expansions. Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:11:26In the quarter, along with the announcement of Yellowhead, we increased the top end of our guidance for three-year rate-based growth to $4.7 billion, which represents a compound annual growth rate of 4.3%. We also affirmed our long-term rate-based growth range of 4%-5%, for which we are feeling very good. On the regulatory side, the Alberta Utilities Commission released a decision that concluded, while there was no flaw in the electric and gas distribution performance-based regulation plans, there was a problem with the operation of these plans. We disagree with this decision, and we have sought permission to appeal it with the Alberta Court of Appeal. We expect a decision on our appeal in 2025, and we will continue to provide updates on this process. And with that, I turn the call over to Bob, who will speak to EnPower's results this quarter. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:12:24Thanks, Wayne, and good morning, everyone. As Katie indicated earlier, EnPower's adjusted earnings were up from the same period in 2023. Within our electric generation business, we recognize an expected settlement related to the historical availability of our wind turbines. Following our contractual discussions with our wind turbine supplier, we have agreed on the amount of generation that was lost in 2023 due to these technical issues, and we are finalizing the recovery with this supplier. In addition, the vendor has also recently completed the necessary warrantied repairs to the wind turbines, which should continue to improve generation into the second half of 2024. We expect the settlement to be completed in the second half of this year. Looking at our generation this quarter, our Oldman River hydro asset was returned to service following significant spring rainfall and the alleviation of drought conditions in southern Alberta in Q1 2024. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:13:31Wind generation increased 9% as our Forty Mile and Adelaide assets benefited from favorable weather conditions and stronger operating performance. We also saw contributions from our Barlow, Deerfoot, and Empress Solar assets, which achieved commercial operations in the second half of 2023. Moving to our storage and industrial water business, we recorded another strong quarter, with adjusted earnings growing $5 million from Q2 2023 to $10 million in Q2 2024. Higher earnings this quarter were primarily driven by increased volumes, with the team securing several fixed and long-term contracts. These contracts provide line of sight to higher margins and earnings as we move forward through 2024. EnPower's adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $45 million, up 45% from $31 million last year. These results reflect the operational performance discussed earlier. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:14:40During the quarter, the federal government passed Bill C-59, which approved investment tax credits related to, among other things, carbon capture, utilization, and storage. This enabled us to take a positive final investment decision on our Atlas Carbon Storage Hub alongside our partner Shell. This multi-phase open access carbon storage hub is a major milestone in our commitment to advancing products and services, which may contribute positively to society's goal of reducing emissions. This is the first step in ATCO EnPower's work to create a full value chain for hydrogen development, from production and carbon abatement to transport and export. The Atlas Carbon Storage Hub is integral to ATCO's long-term strategy and sustainability aspirations. Finally, and speaking more about the Heartland Hydrogen Hub, we have made significant progress advancing this important opportunity. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:15:42We have entered into a letter of intent with an operator and equity partner for both domestic and export opportunities. We are also progressing discussions with interested First Nations to participate in our large hydrogen initiative. We continue to work towards making a project FID in 2025, and we will continue to provide updates as we progress this important project. With that, I'll now pass the call back to Katie. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:16:11Thanks, Bob and Wayne. Canadian Utilities delivered another great quarter, and we are on a strong footing for 2024. As we talked about on our Q1 call and during our AGM, the entire Canadian Utilities team is focused on delivering this new phase of growth we have set out for ourselves. We are building momentum across our businesses, growing earnings, all while delivering sustainable shareholder value. With that, we will now open the line for questions. Operator00:16:41We will now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Once again, anyone on the conference call who wishes to ask a question may press star then one at this time. The first question comes from Mark Jarvey with CIBC Capital Markets. You may now go ahead. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:17:15Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just on the hydrogen project, you've got a letter of intent. When would you be in a position to share who the partners are outlined, sort of how you see this coming to the formation of the project? And are you leaning towards more an export for the offtake, or is it a domestic use case at this point? Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:17:38Hi, Mark. Bob here. I want to be able to tell you who the party is, but right now it's still confidential. I did want to share with everyone that we did, as we said in Q2, at the end of Q2, we wanted to be able to announce that we have found a partner. We really were focusing on bringing a partner in who brings operational capabilities on the hydrogen side. With regards to domestic and export, we are pursuing both. We're currently looking at the export side because there are a lot of auctions that are proceeding in the Southeast Asia market, and we really want to be participating in that. As you know, a lot of the export is really tied to us being able to address the rail concerns and being able to get the product to market. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:18:28We do want to progress both domestic and export. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:18:32What holds you back from communicating who the operating partner is? Is it just you haven't finalized all the documentation and the structure of the arrangement, or is there something else? Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:18:43No, it's more, Mark, our partners asked us, say, we want to just get aligned on how we make this announcement. This is quite recent. This is in the last couple of weeks. So we hope to be able to inform everybody here in the very near future. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:18:59Okay. And then turning to the access arrangement in Australia, given your interactions as you go through this process now in the last couple of months, where are you seeing alignment on which items and what aspects of the initial provisional sort of decision? Are you still struggling to get sort of alignment with what your views would be and push back from the regulators? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:19:24Yeah. I mean, I mentioned a few things, Mark. Sorry, it's Katie. I mentioned a few areas that we continue to have discussion on. I think we've had a very open dialogue with the regulator down there, and I've exchanged a lot of information. In particular, the operating costs, the accelerated depreciation, and the demand forecast are the three areas that we continue to work with them on. I do believe that there is an alignment or a solution that will come somewhere between where our original submission was and where their original draft response was. But I think we should obviously, we'll have that in roughly November timeframe, and we look forward to a positive decision there. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:20:11Okay. Last question for me is, just can you elaborate on the restructurings? Any financial impact, whether it's near-term costs and/or medium or longer-term earnings benefits from those efforts? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:20:25Sure. Yeah. As I mentioned, we're focused on trying to drive cost efficiencies, as we always are. In particular, we took a hard look at our corporate overhead structure in this quarter across our business units and at the corporate level. We do have no disclosure on the total amount of the severance and restructuring for the quarter, with a small amount anticipated still to come, very small amount. In terms of ongoing cost savings, we're not going to disclose exact figures, but we obviously look to continue to benefit from those cost restructuring initiatives in the future years, but as well set ourselves up with the right team and the right people to drive growth across the business as we move forward into our new strategic initiatives. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:21:15Would we see any cost savings through the balance of this year? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:21:21We do have some modest cost savings this year, yes. Mark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital Markets00:21:23Okay. I'll leave it there. Thanks for the time today, everyone. Operator00:21:29Our next question will come from Maurice Choi with RBC Capital Markets. You may now go ahead. Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:21:36Thanks, Anne. Good morning, everyone. Maybe just starting off with the hydrogen bid. Can you discuss what remains as the bottleneck in signing the offtaker, both on a domestic and export side? I know you mentioned specifically for the export, there is the rail bit. So what is the status of getting regulations amended to accommodate this? But just bottlenecks for both domestic and export, please. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:22:03Hi, Maurice. Bob here again. If I could start with the domestic. On the domestic side, I would say the bottleneck is really still the need for certainty on the policies and the programs here in Canada. And in particular, I think the ITC has been really helpful from the federal government, but there's still uncertainty as to what's going to happen in the future with the Clean Fuel Standard. And will that continue, or will it not? So those are the things that are really holding back some of the domestic market, in my mind. With regards to export, and having been very recently in the Japanese market, it's really coming down to the Asian market getting comfort with Canada, that Canada will be able to provide the product if they enter into contracts with us. And it's all around rail. Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:23:03And so if they can't get the confidence, they being the Asian market, that we can resolve our rail issues here, then they're not going to enter into any contracts with Canada. So that's kind of what we're working on as we speak. Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:23:19Just as a follow-up on that rail bit, is it just purely regulation, or is it just availability of trains and ships? Can you just elaborate that? Specifically, when do you think this will get resolved on the rail side? Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:23:36Yeah. So the first thing on the rail side is there are a bunch of capital improvements that I think everybody feels is needed to be able to transport ammonia safely. And even though ammonia is being transported today, the projects we're looking at is an increase in the amount of ammonia that will be transported. So it's a safety issue that Transport Canada really needs to get comfort around, as well as our rail provider. And then secondly is the issue around indemnity and liability and making sure everyone gets comfortable with that. So those are the two main areas of concern that we have to address. With regards to timing, Maurice, we're pushing to still be involved in auctions this year. So we're pushing the government and we're pushing the rail provider to be able to address that with industry in 2024. And that's our timeline. Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:24:39Got it. Thanks. The second question relates to, obviously, a small one, but obviously, the decision to suspend the DRIP in July. Not that you are saving much cash given the participation rate here, but just philosophically speaking, what has changed between when you reinitiated the DRIP to right now? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:25:03Sorry, Maurice. You cut out there for one second. Could you repeat the question? Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:25:07Yeah. Sorry about that. The question was about the DRIP and your decision to suspend the program back in July. You weren't saving a whole lot of cash with this plan because of the participation. But just wondering, philosophically speaking, what has changed from the time that you reinitiated the program to right now? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:25:30Yeah. I think there were two big factors there. I mean, we looked at the participation, which, as you noted, I think investors right now are very mindful of their cash dividend in this environment. We looked at the participation, which was very low. As you noted, it was not saving a significant amount of cash. Combined with the dilutive impact based on the share price of where we're at with the DRIP, we didn't make the determination to suspend that at the moment. Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:26:01So while it is dilutive impact to EPS, clearly, you do have quite a bit of cash needs in the future. So I suppose this DRIP, I should separate this DRIP decision from how you view how much cash equity you need in the future, which still remains relatively higher than the past, right? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:26:24Yeah. I mean, obviously, as we drive rate-based growth, we're going to continue to have needs to finance that growth. And as I mentioned in my comments, in the near term, we don't anticipate needing equity. But as we move forward and start to accelerate that rate-based growth, we'll obviously consider all our options available to us to make sure we maximize shareholder value in our financing decisions. Maurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital Markets00:26:52Understood. Thank you very much. Operator00:26:56Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. Our next question will come from Ben Pham with BMO. You may now go ahead. Ben PhamSenior Analyst at BMO00:27:07Hi. Thanks. Morning. There was reference to feeling good about the 4%-5% rate-based growth. Can you clarify? I think the thinking was that was going to be more of a long-term or, sorry, long-term outcome versus something a bit more near-term in the next few years. Has that changed at all, or is it maybe there's a bit more in an accelerated CapEx cycle you can see? Wayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy Systems00:27:37Yeah. No, Ben, I think thank you. It's Wayne Stensby speaking. Yeah. I think I was kind of providing my sentiment that we continue to see very, very strong growth here in Alberta. And as we work with our customers, even just through the last few months, we continue to see signs of increased demand for both electricity and gas capacity. So we are maintaining the guidance that we shared at our May AGM. However, I would just indicate that we continue to feel very good about that guidance. And our focus is not only on Yellowhead, although Yellowhead is a very near-term permitting discussion for us, but it's a number of other opportunities as well. Ben PhamSenior Analyst at BMO00:28:39And just on an equity need question, if the rate base goes to 5%, does that change the calculus on needing equity and that you can't self-fund your program anymore? Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:28:59Thanks, Ben. Yeah. No, as I mentioned, in the near term, we do not anticipate having any equity issuance needed to fund our near-term growth. Over the longer term, if we are successful, and we certainly will be in driving our rate base growth to those levels of 5%+, then we'll have to look at all available options to us, including equity, capital recycling, or other measures to fund that growth. Ben PhamSenior Analyst at BMO00:29:25Okay. Got it. And maybe lastly, maybe just more of a reminder, I mean, just the 10-year is hitting 3% here in Canada today. Can you remind us at what level does that ROE, it went up last year, but those 3% actually push it down into next year? And can you also clarify that? That only impacts your non-PBR utility assets, right? Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:29:58Yeah. Hi, Ben. It's Clint Warkentin here. That's right. Long-term bond rates have come down since November when the 2024 return on equity was set. The commission will establish 2025's return on equity in November of this year. The bond rates are said will be lower, so the ROE would come down if bond rates stay as they are at the moment. In terms of the generic cost of capital decision, that return on equity applies across all of our regulated utilities, so our electric and gas distribution and transmission utilities. And that will happen every year. It's on a formula, so that will happen every year, November each year. It'll get redetermined. Katie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCO00:30:46I just want to check that. But the PBR ones, is that rate-based too with that, or are you protected there? Bob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPower00:30:55Sorry, on the PBR ones, so the return on equity piece does get determined every year. Ben PhamSenior Analyst at BMO00:31:02Okay. All right. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Operator00:31:09This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Colin Jackson for any closing remarks. Colin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCO00:31:19Thank you, Anthony. Thank you all for participating today. We appreciate your interest in Canadian Utilities, and we look forward to speaking with you again soon. That concludes today's call. Operator00:31:34This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.Read moreParticipantsAnalystsBen PhamSenior Analyst at BMOBob MylesCOO at ATCO EnPowerColin JacksonSVP of Financial Operations at ATCOKatie PatrickEVP and CFO at ATCOMark JarviAnalyst at CIBC Capital MarketsMaurice ChoyManaging Director at RBC Capital MarketsWayne StensbyCOO at ATCO Energy SystemsPowered by