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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast West Fraser Timber EPS ResultsActual EPS-$2.63Consensus EPS -$1.72Beat/MissMissed by -$0.91One Year Ago EPSN/AWest Fraser Timber Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.31 billionExpected Revenue$1.38 billionBeat/MissMissed by -$76.93 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AWest Fraser Timber Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2025Date10/22/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, October 23, 2025Conference Call Time11:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsWest Fraser Timber's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Wednesday, October 28, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, October 22, 2026 at 11:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress ReleaseEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by West Fraser Timber Q3 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 23, 2025ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Negative Sentiment: West Fraser reported adjusted EBITDA of negative $144 million in Q3 2025, with the lumber segment at negative $123 million driven largely by lower pricing and a $67 million out‑of‑period AR6 duty expense. Negative Sentiment: Trade headwinds increased after final AR6 duties averaged a combined 26.5% and a new 10% Section 232 tariff on softwood lumber took effect Oct 14, 2025, adding incremental cost pressure on U.S. exports. Positive Sentiment: The company exited the quarter with nearly $1.6 billion of available liquidity and a positive net cash balance of $212 million, plus an investment‑grade rating, which management says enables countercyclical investment and opportunistic M&A. Positive Sentiment: West Fraser has high‑graded its portfolio—permanently or indefinitely removing about 820 million board feet (~12% of prior lumber capacity) and planning implied Q4 curtailments of ~20–25%—to lower costs and improve resilience at the bottom of the cycle. Neutral Sentiment: Management narrowed 2025 shipment guidance by trimming the top end for SPF and SYP while maintaining OSB guidance, confirmed 2025 capex of $400–$450 million, and noted Q3 capex of $90 million plus ~$65 million returned to shareholders. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallWest Fraser Timber Q3 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Morning, ladies and gentlemen, and the West Fraser third quarter 2025 results conference call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on Thursday, October 23, 2025. During this conference call, West Fraser's representatives will be making West Fraser's future financial and operational performance, business outlook, and capital plans. These statements may constitute forward-looking information or forward-looking statements within the meaning of Canadian and U.S. securities laws. Such statements involve certain risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, West Fraser's actual or future results and performance to be materially different from those expressed or implied in their statements. Operator00:01:02Additional information about these risk factors and assumptions is included both in the accompanying webcast presentation and in our 2024 Annual MD&A and Annual Information Form as submitted in our quarterly MD&A, which can West Fraser's website or through SEDAR+ for Canadian investors and EDGAR for U.S. investors. I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Sean McLaren. Thank you. Please go ahead. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:01:32Thank you, Ena. Good morning, and thank you for joining our third quarter 2025 earnings call. I am Sean McLaren, President West Fraser, and joining me on the call today are Chris Virostek, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Matt Tobin, Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing; and other members of our leadership team. On the earnings call this morning, I will begin with a brief overview of West Fraser's Q3 2025 financial results and then pass the call to Chris for additional comments before I share some thoughts on our outlook and remarks. West Fraser posted -$144 million of adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter of 2025, as we continue to operate within an extended cycle trough. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:02:26Of note, this quarter included a $67 million out-of-period duty expense related to the finalization of Administrative Review 6, or AR6. New home construction remained relatively stable during the period, albeit at uninspiring levels, with annualized U.S. housing starts averaging just 1.31 million units through August on a rolling three-month seasonally adjusted basis, as mortgage and interest rates continue to present headwinds to U.S. housing demand and affordability. As we've noted for several quarters, repair and remodeling demand was subdued once again this quarter. Despite the tough Q3, our balance sheet continues to demonstrate strength as we exited the quarter with nearly $1.6 billion of available liquidity and a healthy cash position that remains positive net of debt. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:03:24A strong balance sheet and liquidity profile, along with our investment-grade rating, remain key elements of our defensive capital allocation strategy, which allows us to invest in our business countercyclically and take advantage of investment opportunities if and when they arise. With that brief overview, I'll now turn the call to Chris for additional detail and comments. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:03:50Thank you, Sean, and a reminder that we report in US dollars, and all my references are to US dollar amounts unless otherwise indicated. The lumber segment posted adjusted EBITDA of -$123 million in the third quarter, inclusive of the previously mentioned $67 million out-of-period duty expense. This is in comparison to $15 million of adjusted EBITDA reported in the second quarter, with the sequential change driven largely by lower pricing and the AR6 duty expense. Of note, operations at our old Henderson site are winding down, and the new mill is entering its commissioning phase. Our North America EWP segment posted -$15 million of adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter, down from $68 million in the second quarter, with the sequential change largely driven by lower OSB pricing. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:04:45The pulp and paper segment posted -$6 million of adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter, compared to -$1 million in the second quarter, with the sequential change largely attributable to Cariboo Pulp's annual maintenance shutdown that occurred in the third quarter. Prior to and following the maintenance outage, we are seeing improved operating performance from Cariboo Pulp in terms of daily output. Finally, our Europe business generated $1 million of adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter, similar to the $2 million reported in the second quarter. In terms of our overall Q3 results, lower product prices for our lumber and North American OSB products were the largest contributing detractors as compared to Q2. We were also buffeted by a number of major maintenance activities during the quarter, most significantly the Cariboo maintenance shutdown. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:05:39Cash flow from operations was $58 million in the third quarter, with our net cash balance at $212 million, down from $310 million in the prior quarter. The relative decrease in our net cash balance reflects lower earnings, offset in part by a reduction of working capital, plus the impact of $90 million of capital expenditures and approximately $65 million of cash deployed towards share buybacks and dividends. In terms of our 2025 shipments guidance, with the demand softness we continue to experience across our lumber product portfolio, we are narrowing our outlook by reducing the top end of the guidance range for both SPF and SYP 2025 shipments, while maintaining the North American OSB and EU OSB shipment guides for 2025. We are also confirming our 2025 capital expenditure guidance range of $400 million-$450 million. All updated views on our 2025 outlook are presented on slide 8. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:06:46Regarding softwood lumber duties, earlier in the third quarter, the U.S. Department of Commerce released final CVD and ADD rates for AR6, which are based on the year 2023. These rates were largely as we had anticipated and at a combined rate of 26.5%. West Fraser has the lowest duty rate in the Canadian industry. More recently, the U.S. administration issued a proclamation that imposed Section 232 tariffs of 10% on imported softwood timber and lumber into the U.S., which came into effect on October 14th, 2025. This tariff is in addition to the existing softwood lumber duties. With that financial overview, I'll pass the call back to Sean. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:07:32Thank you, Chris. Looking forward, we continue to monitor macroeconomic conditions complicated by shifting trade policies. Despite such a backdrop, the company remains well-positioned to navigate the dynamic and difficult business environment we face today, backstopped by a strong financial position. As a reminder, we acted early in this down cycle, optimizing our portfolio of assets to create a more resilient company. This included permanently removing 170 million board feet of capacity in our Canadian lumber business in 2022 and 650 million board feet of capacity in 2023 and 2024 through the permanent or indefinite closure of five of our least economic lumber mills in the U.S. and Canada. Combined, these capacity removals account for 820 million board feet, representing approximately 12% of the company's lumber capacity prior to the actions taken. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:08:36Considering our shipment guidance for 2025, our implied Q4 operating rate reflects a curtailment of approximately 20%-25% of that capacity. Furthermore, we divested three pulp mills for $124 million in 2024 and acquired high-quality lumber and OSB assets. In the aggregate, all these actions to high-grade the portfolio have made us better at the bottom of the cycle. Going forward, we will continue to take this approach of managing our asset portfolio to do what is both prudent for the long term and necessary in the short term. You should also expect us to continue to be flexible in our operating strategy, meeting the needs of our customers and operationalizing the benefits of our strategic capital to drive down costs, all while keeping our focus on a safe working environment for our employees. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:09:36We are wrapping up a number of capital projects that have been in progress during the current market and expect the start of these projects will continue to lower costs as they are operationalized. We will also continue to pursue a balanced capital allocation strategy that includes investment in value-enhancing projects, pursuit of opportunistic investments and growth, and the return of capital to shareholders as we leverage the competitive advantage of our balance sheet strength and available liquidity. In terms of our more general medium to longer-term outlook, we will continue to lean on our industry knowledge and experience to make the decisions that we believe will not only keep the company resilient in the trough of the cycle, but will also allow the company to be better prepared for the next industry demand recovery, whenever that may be. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:10:32North American lumber supply has been trending lower in recent years, with a material proportion of that capacity closed permanently due to factors including high-cost fiber supply, legacy technology, shrinking residual markets, and now more recently, increased duties and tariffs. When lumber supply-demand dynamics eventually find balance and demand cyclically improves, we expect our ability to add material new supply will face the same significant obstacles: access to economically viable fiber, high capital costs that challenge returns on new investment, and long-term viable outlets for residual products. Shifting briefly to tariffs. Regardless of what may happen on this front, as we have said before, we continue to monitor the Canada-U.S. trade situation closely and remain agile and ready to respond as needed. We will continue to work closely with our federal and provincial governments to support discussions when called upon as they relate to softwood lumber. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:11:45In closing, at West Fraser, we aim to deliver strong financial results through the business cycle. We achieve this by leveraging our product and geographic diversity, modern, well-capitalized assets, and the dedication of our people and culture rooted in cost discipline and a commitment to operate responsibly and sustainably. We remain steadfast in this strategy. Although we continue to have a challenging year-to-year outlook, we are optimistic about the longer-term prospects for our industry and for West Fraser. We look forward to continuing to build one of the world's leading sustainable building products companies. Thank you. With that, we'll turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator00:12:32Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star four, by the one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to cancel your request, please press star four, by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Ketan Mamtora from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Ketan MamtoraDirector of Building Products Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets00:13:06Good morning, and thanks for taking my question. Maybe to start with and recognizing that this is a pretty tough backdrop right now, I'm just curious, sort of your approach to managing production in both lumber and North America OSB. Particularly in this environment, which increasingly looks like that demand is likely to remain soft here in the near term. Can you just give us some thoughts on how you approach managing production, particularly as we are looking at another year where EBITDA could be kind of negative in lumber? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:13:53Yeah, good morning, Ketan. Happy to touch on that. Maybe I'll just start by reinforcing a few things that the actions we took early in the cycle, which were closing either permanently or indefinitely a number of our mills, adjusting our shift configurations, and we have remained nimble in our lumber portfolio after those actions as sort of you've seen in our guidance as the years unfolded. We maintain in both of our main products, all of our product lines, but in particular lumber and OSB, a variable kind of operating strategy that first runs to our economics and our customer demand needs. That's how we manage that, and we make those decisions all the time within our platform. Ketan MamtoraDirector of Building Products Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets00:14:50Understood. On OSB, what does sort of the implied Q4 operating rate look like based on what you all have discussed? You talked about sort of 25% temporary curtailment in lumber. How does that look like in OSB? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:15:09Yeah, I'll let Chris touch on that one. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:15:12Yeah, I think, Ketan, as you'll recall, I think when we've discussed this before, Q4 is always very heavy for us on maintenance shutdowns. We strategically take that maintenance downtime in Q4 because it is a weaker seasonal period. I think with the shipment guide that is out there, that would imply an operating rate of somewhere around 80% in the fourth quarter. Ketan MamtoraDirector of Building Products Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets00:15:39Understood. Just last one from me. On the balance sheet side, the balance sheet is very strong. You've got a net cash position. Curious about how you think about M&A opportunity in this kind of down cycle at the moment. Where do you think you've got the most opportunity for inorganic growth? Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:16:08Yeah, sure, I'll jump in there. Sean, you can add if you like. I think we've been very consistent the last several years in how we've talked about M&A. For us, it's quality first, right? I think clearly an environment like we're in today necessitates that quality. It just shows how important that quality-first approach is around all those things that Sean mentioned that are challenges, whether that's residual supply or asset quality or workforce availability or timber availability. I think the way that we have the balance sheet, we have flexibility to pursue the strategy that we've always had. Growth has always been part, inorganic growth has always been part of the company's DNA going back decades. We're going to be guided first and foremost by quality and things that make the company stronger. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:17:02I think you can see that certainly in the actions that we've taken over the last several years where we've added to the portfolio. It's been very selective and high quality. We've also removed things from the portfolio that we don't think make us stronger at the bottom of the cycle. I think that'll be the guide as to what we consider as opportunities is there's got to be, we got to be satisfied with the quality that's out there. Sean? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:17:31No, that's perfect, Chris. Quality and, you know, enhancing our strength at the bottom of the cycle, those are the priorities as we think about what might be next for West Fraser. Ketan MamtoraDirector of Building Products Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets00:17:45Understood. No, that's a helpful color. Good luck. I'll jump back in the queue. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:17:50Thanks, Ketan. Operator00:17:53Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ben Isaacson from Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at Scotiabank00:18:00Good morning, and thank you very much. Just two questions for me. Sean, I think last conference call, three months ago, the federal government was starting to talk about a possible support and conversations around that when it comes to lumber. It's been three months, and things have not really improved in terms of the macro backdrop. Can you talk about what you're willing to share in terms of how those conversations are going and how federal support for lumber is starting to stack up? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:18:33Good morning, Ben. I don't have the exact date in front of me. I believe it was in early August, and it was in British Columbia, which was encouraging at a small business in Kelowna, a small lumber business where the Premier rolled out some different support measures. I don't have all the details. They're all in the public domain, but they were providing some level of support for the industry, some level of funding for exploring different markets. That would all be in the public domain. I think we, as a mandatory respondent, continue to, and frankly, with a balance sheet that remains strong, continue to support those measures for the industry with the government. At the same time, we are kind of maintaining our own balance sheets, which is reinforcing our operations. I probably wouldn't add more than that, Ben. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at Scotiabank00:19:37Okay, that's fair. Just a second question is perhaps for you or for Matt. With respect to your own customers that you talk to regularly, can you give some kind of sense in terms of how many months or days or weeks of inventory is in the U.S. channel, again, when it comes to your customers only, relative to normal conditions, for mid-October? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:20:03Yeah, go ahead there, Matt. Matt TobinSVP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser00:20:05Sure, I can answer that. I would say, you know, we don't really have visibility into our customer supply chain or their inventory levels. What I can speak to is our inventory levels, and they're lean in both SYP and SPF, which has been intentional in this uncertain market to run our inventories lean. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at Scotiabank00:20:21Okay, just to be clear, from the rate of reorder, you don't have a sense as to, in terms of planning, when your customers are going to come back and what their needs will be in the next kind of two to three months? Matt TobinSVP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser00:20:39No, I'd say, you know, they're buying as their needs come to them, and we're ready to service them in whatever regions they're in. I would say no, no fundamental change or visibility to their inventory levels. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at Scotiabank00:20:53Okay, great. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:20:53One thing I might add to that, Ben, is our customers are, you know, products readily available. They're buying what they need as they need it. I think our guidance would, you know, we're maintaining our inventories in a below-average position. Our guidance would, you know, things are flowing through based on that guidance. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at Scotiabank00:21:19Great, thank you very much. Operator00:21:24Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Sean Steuart from TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Sean SteuartManaging Director at TD Cowen00:21:30Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Sean, I want to follow up on the M&A question, and I appreciate your comments around quality assets and building strength at the bottom of the cycle. I guess the follow-on is, you know, we're three years into this lumber downturn in North America. Have you seen more opportunities coming to the surface? If so, would those opportunities include the types of assets you're looking for? I guess I'm trying to gauge what the opportunity set looks like now and how that's changed over the last three to six months. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:22:09Yeah, good morning, Sean. Probably not. I think we maybe had this question on a prior call. Probably not a lot of change this year. I think what you typically see is early in an upswing as people are thinking about, you know, if a quality asset to sell, people would then maybe look to market that. I would say in the pipeline, I don't think there's anything any more than normal. For sure, higher quality assets typically are being held to a better time to market them. All those things saying that, we wouldn't be, there wouldn't be anything that is jumping out today that is high quality and available that fits, so. Sean SteuartManaging Director at TD Cowen00:23:08Okay, thanks for that context. I also wanted to follow up with your comments on North American supply management on the lumber side and appreciating you've done a lot of work on permanent and indefinite closures over the last three years. Is a part of the decision-making for you at this point in the cycle, you know, we're arguably closer to the end of this downturn than the start at this point, hopefully. Is there a reluctance to take more permanent or indefinite shuts at this point when maybe we can see the light at the end of the tunnel as affordability headwinds start to ease? Is that part of the thinking and the thought process when you're gauging sort of rolling downtime versus further indefinite or permanent closures? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:23:58Yeah, no, it's a good question. I think we always look at it against the backdrop of how is that asset holding up during the current down cycle and do we have a clear path for the next down cycle, and we make kind of decisions against that backdrop. It's really hard to predict. I agree with your comments that hopefully we're here closer to the end than in the middle or the beginning, but we really don't know that. I think we always have to really challenge ourselves, especially in this environment. Is there a better operating model that lowers our cost here and makes us more competitive at the bottom of the cycle? I would look across our SPF business, Southern Yellow Pine, OSB, our major business lines, and volume is coming out of those businesses and costs are lower. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:24:55That's really the way we look at all those decisions. Every asset gets pressure tested in this environment. Sean SteuartManaging Director at TD Cowen00:25:05Okay, that's all I have for now. Thanks, guys. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:25:09Thank you. Operator00:25:11Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Matthew McKellar from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Matthew McKellarVP at RBC Capital Markets00:25:19Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Appreciate all the details so far. First, for me, could you maybe just share with us how conditions in the Canadian markets have evolved over the past few months, whether there's anything to call out in terms of differences in demand between the U.S. and Canada? Are you seeing any of your competitors behave any differently in the Canadian market since higher U.S. duties or the tariffs took effect? Thanks. Matt TobinSVP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser00:25:50I can take that. I would say that the Canadian market remains competitive. It's a much smaller market than the U.S. market. While it's an important market for us and we service those customers, it generally doesn't drive demand. I would say it remains competitive just with where we are in the cycle and all the other things you mentioned going on. I would say nothing unusual, just having to compete every day to service our customers in that market. Matthew McKellarVP at RBC Capital Markets00:26:22Okay, thanks very much. Just a couple of cleanups. If we're in an improved but still relatively soft wood products market next year, how should we be thinking about CapEx? Appreciate that Henderson will fade year-over-year. How does that evolve into 2026 in your view? The second would be just the fire at the Cowie facility. Could you help us understand what the state of that facility is today? Thank you. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:26:47Sure, yeah, thanks. On capital expenditures, as we look forward, I think as we said in the comments, we've spent a lot of capital. I think that's one of the advantages of our strong balance sheet, as we've been able to be durable with our capital allocation strategy and invest for the future in what have been pretty difficult markets the last couple of years. Considering that, as Sean said, we're wrapping up a lot of fairly major projects here, and our focus is shifting to operationalizing those. You can sort of think about what that means relative to 2026. We'll be out in February with our 2026 CapEx guidance. We have had two pretty busy years with big projects going on. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:27:36With respect to Cowie, I think we flagged in the materials that the incident happened about five weeks before the end of the quarter. The facility's been repaired, back up and running. I think we're pretty pleased with what we're starting to see in the European segment in terms of maybe some green shoots of things starting to turn around there. Matthew McKellarVP at RBC Capital Markets00:28:02Thanks very much for the help. I'll turn it back. Operator00:28:06Thank you once again. Should you have a question, please press star four, by the one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Hamir Patel from CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Hamir PatelExecutive Director of Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:28:20Hi, good morning. Sean, we don't have access to the U.S. trade data at the moment during the shutdown. On the ground, are you seeing any signs of European lumber imports increasing, just given that their competitive position has improved relative to Canada with all the duty and tariff changes since August? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:28:42I'd ask Matt if there's, I don't think we have a lot of visibility to that, Hamir, without the data coming in. Matt, would you add anything to that? Matt TobinSVP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser00:28:52No, I'd say just like you said, not a lot of visibility and no meaningful change that we can see in the market. Hamir PatelExecutive Director of Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:29:00Okay, fair enough. I just want to ask in Europe if you have any comments on, with respect to OSB demand, how things are faring on both the new res and R&R side? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:29:13Yeah, Chris sort of touched on that as, you know, an unfortunate incident at Cowie. A team did an excellent job of making the repairs and getting the mill back up and running. It kind of shadowed, that event really did shadow some progress in Europe. We are seeing, you know, hard to say how much is, you know, kind of demand-driven. Some of it still may be supply-driven. Kind of sequentially, quarter-over-quarter, we are seeing some price improvement in OSB and seeing some demand improvement there. You know, we're looking more optimistically in Europe over the next few quarters, and we'll see how all that unfolds. Hamir PatelExecutive Director of Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:30:01Fair enough. Thanks. That's all I had. I'll turn it over. Operator00:30:07Thank you. We have a follow-up question from Mr. Sean Steuart from TD Cowen. Please proceed. Sean SteuartManaging Director at TD Cowen00:30:13Thanks. Just one other one. Chris, you guys have done a good job on working capital management. I appreciate there's seasonality in Q1. You'll have big log deck builds in Canada. Can you speak generally to, I guess, the changes you've made in terms of how you're managing working capital over the mid to long term, room for more reductions there, ability to pull more cash out of that, just a broader perspective on how you're thinking about that item? Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:30:46Yeah, look, I got to give a lot of kudos to the operations teams across the company on this front, right? I think it spans all elements of the working capital. We manage our credit and receivables very tightly while still maintaining good relationships with our customers. The cycle there is pretty short. I think, as Matt indicated in his comments, in many of our businesses, we're at or below target levels and operating with fairly lean inventories, which presents some challenges from time to time in terms of filling orders. The teams are doing a remarkable job of managing through that and learning how to operate with lower inventories. Then lots of work, I'll say, going on in terms of on the procurement side as well is vendors and vendor selection and things like that. I'd say it spans all aspects of this. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:31:46I'd say it's not just something that, because of the environment that we're in, that it's getting any more focused than it ordinarily does. I think the teams work hard on this stuff all the time. They're probably tired of hearing me talk about working capital. It's really been, I think, a source of strength for us here in the last while, really focusing on, frankly, all aspects of the balance sheet. It helps run a more efficient and effective business. What does that translate into going forward? Hard to say on the way out. I think some great learnings across the business and a deep focus on strong execution. Sean SteuartManaging Director at TD Cowen00:32:28Okay, that's useful. Thanks very much, guys. Operator00:32:34Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back to Mr. Sean McLaren for any closing remarks. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:32:42Thank you, Ena. As always, Chris and I are available to respond to further questions, as is Robert Winslow, our Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Thank you for your participation today. Stay well, and we look forward to reporting on our progress next quarter. Operator00:32:58This concludes today's call. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.Read moreParticipantsAnalystsSean SteuartManaging Director at TD CowenChris VirostekEVP and CFO at West FraserHamir PatelExecutive Director of Equity Research at CIBC Capital MarketsMatt TobinSVP of Sales and Marketing at West FraserBen IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at ScotiabankMatthew McKellarVP at RBC Capital MarketsKetan MamtoraDirector of Building Products Equity Research at BMO Capital MarketsSean McLarenPresident and CEO at West FraserPowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckEarnings Release West Fraser Timber Earnings HeadlinesWest Fraser Timber Co. Ltd. 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Founded in 1955, the company has grown from a regional lumber producer into an international manufacturer and marketer of wood products, pulp and paper. West Fraser produces dimensional lumber, engineered wood products, oriented strand board, plywood, pulp, newsprint and specialty papers. Its products are used in residential and commercial construction, repair and remodeling, packaging, printing and other industrial applications. The company also generates wood chips, residuals and other by-products through its manufacturing operations. West Fraser operates production facilities across Canada and the southern United States, with products sold in North American and international markets. Its operations are supported by timber resources, manufacturing facilities and distribution networks serving construction and industrial customers. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Morning, ladies and gentlemen, and the West Fraser third quarter 2025 results conference call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on Thursday, October 23, 2025. During this conference call, West Fraser's representatives will be making West Fraser's future financial and operational performance, business outlook, and capital plans. These statements may constitute forward-looking information or forward-looking statements within the meaning of Canadian and U.S. securities laws. Such statements involve certain risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, West Fraser's actual or future results and performance to be materially different from those expressed or implied in their statements. Operator00:01:02Additional information about these risk factors and assumptions is included both in the accompanying webcast presentation and in our 2024 Annual MD&A and Annual Information Form as submitted in our quarterly MD&A, which can West Fraser's website or through SEDAR+ for Canadian investors and EDGAR for U.S. investors. I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Sean McLaren. Thank you. Please go ahead. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:01:32Thank you, Ena. Good morning, and thank you for joining our third quarter 2025 earnings call. I am Sean McLaren, President West Fraser, and joining me on the call today are Chris Virostek, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Matt Tobin, Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing; and other members of our leadership team. On the earnings call this morning, I will begin with a brief overview of West Fraser's Q3 2025 financial results and then pass the call to Chris for additional comments before I share some thoughts on our outlook and remarks. West Fraser posted -$144 million of adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter of 2025, as we continue to operate within an extended cycle trough. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:02:26Of note, this quarter included a $67 million out-of-period duty expense related to the finalization of Administrative Review 6, or AR6. New home construction remained relatively stable during the period, albeit at uninspiring levels, with annualized U.S. housing starts averaging just 1.31 million units through August on a rolling three-month seasonally adjusted basis, as mortgage and interest rates continue to present headwinds to U.S. housing demand and affordability. As we've noted for several quarters, repair and remodeling demand was subdued once again this quarter. Despite the tough Q3, our balance sheet continues to demonstrate strength as we exited the quarter with nearly $1.6 billion of available liquidity and a healthy cash position that remains positive net of debt. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:03:24A strong balance sheet and liquidity profile, along with our investment-grade rating, remain key elements of our defensive capital allocation strategy, which allows us to invest in our business countercyclically and take advantage of investment opportunities if and when they arise. With that brief overview, I'll now turn the call to Chris for additional detail and comments. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:03:50Thank you, Sean, and a reminder that we report in US dollars, and all my references are to US dollar amounts unless otherwise indicated. The lumber segment posted adjusted EBITDA of -$123 million in the third quarter, inclusive of the previously mentioned $67 million out-of-period duty expense. This is in comparison to $15 million of adjusted EBITDA reported in the second quarter, with the sequential change driven largely by lower pricing and the AR6 duty expense. Of note, operations at our old Henderson site are winding down, and the new mill is entering its commissioning phase. Our North America EWP segment posted -$15 million of adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter, down from $68 million in the second quarter, with the sequential change largely driven by lower OSB pricing. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:04:45The pulp and paper segment posted -$6 million of adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter, compared to -$1 million in the second quarter, with the sequential change largely attributable to Cariboo Pulp's annual maintenance shutdown that occurred in the third quarter. Prior to and following the maintenance outage, we are seeing improved operating performance from Cariboo Pulp in terms of daily output. Finally, our Europe business generated $1 million of adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter, similar to the $2 million reported in the second quarter. In terms of our overall Q3 results, lower product prices for our lumber and North American OSB products were the largest contributing detractors as compared to Q2. We were also buffeted by a number of major maintenance activities during the quarter, most significantly the Cariboo maintenance shutdown. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:05:39Cash flow from operations was $58 million in the third quarter, with our net cash balance at $212 million, down from $310 million in the prior quarter. The relative decrease in our net cash balance reflects lower earnings, offset in part by a reduction of working capital, plus the impact of $90 million of capital expenditures and approximately $65 million of cash deployed towards share buybacks and dividends. In terms of our 2025 shipments guidance, with the demand softness we continue to experience across our lumber product portfolio, we are narrowing our outlook by reducing the top end of the guidance range for both SPF and SYP 2025 shipments, while maintaining the North American OSB and EU OSB shipment guides for 2025. We are also confirming our 2025 capital expenditure guidance range of $400 million-$450 million. All updated views on our 2025 outlook are presented on slide 8. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:06:46Regarding softwood lumber duties, earlier in the third quarter, the U.S. Department of Commerce released final CVD and ADD rates for AR6, which are based on the year 2023. These rates were largely as we had anticipated and at a combined rate of 26.5%. West Fraser has the lowest duty rate in the Canadian industry. More recently, the U.S. administration issued a proclamation that imposed Section 232 tariffs of 10% on imported softwood timber and lumber into the U.S., which came into effect on October 14th, 2025. This tariff is in addition to the existing softwood lumber duties. With that financial overview, I'll pass the call back to Sean. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:07:32Thank you, Chris. Looking forward, we continue to monitor macroeconomic conditions complicated by shifting trade policies. Despite such a backdrop, the company remains well-positioned to navigate the dynamic and difficult business environment we face today, backstopped by a strong financial position. As a reminder, we acted early in this down cycle, optimizing our portfolio of assets to create a more resilient company. This included permanently removing 170 million board feet of capacity in our Canadian lumber business in 2022 and 650 million board feet of capacity in 2023 and 2024 through the permanent or indefinite closure of five of our least economic lumber mills in the U.S. and Canada. Combined, these capacity removals account for 820 million board feet, representing approximately 12% of the company's lumber capacity prior to the actions taken. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:08:36Considering our shipment guidance for 2025, our implied Q4 operating rate reflects a curtailment of approximately 20%-25% of that capacity. Furthermore, we divested three pulp mills for $124 million in 2024 and acquired high-quality lumber and OSB assets. In the aggregate, all these actions to high-grade the portfolio have made us better at the bottom of the cycle. Going forward, we will continue to take this approach of managing our asset portfolio to do what is both prudent for the long term and necessary in the short term. You should also expect us to continue to be flexible in our operating strategy, meeting the needs of our customers and operationalizing the benefits of our strategic capital to drive down costs, all while keeping our focus on a safe working environment for our employees. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:09:36We are wrapping up a number of capital projects that have been in progress during the current market and expect the start of these projects will continue to lower costs as they are operationalized. We will also continue to pursue a balanced capital allocation strategy that includes investment in value-enhancing projects, pursuit of opportunistic investments and growth, and the return of capital to shareholders as we leverage the competitive advantage of our balance sheet strength and available liquidity. In terms of our more general medium to longer-term outlook, we will continue to lean on our industry knowledge and experience to make the decisions that we believe will not only keep the company resilient in the trough of the cycle, but will also allow the company to be better prepared for the next industry demand recovery, whenever that may be. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:10:32North American lumber supply has been trending lower in recent years, with a material proportion of that capacity closed permanently due to factors including high-cost fiber supply, legacy technology, shrinking residual markets, and now more recently, increased duties and tariffs. When lumber supply-demand dynamics eventually find balance and demand cyclically improves, we expect our ability to add material new supply will face the same significant obstacles: access to economically viable fiber, high capital costs that challenge returns on new investment, and long-term viable outlets for residual products. Shifting briefly to tariffs. Regardless of what may happen on this front, as we have said before, we continue to monitor the Canada-U.S. trade situation closely and remain agile and ready to respond as needed. We will continue to work closely with our federal and provincial governments to support discussions when called upon as they relate to softwood lumber. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:11:45In closing, at West Fraser, we aim to deliver strong financial results through the business cycle. We achieve this by leveraging our product and geographic diversity, modern, well-capitalized assets, and the dedication of our people and culture rooted in cost discipline and a commitment to operate responsibly and sustainably. We remain steadfast in this strategy. Although we continue to have a challenging year-to-year outlook, we are optimistic about the longer-term prospects for our industry and for West Fraser. We look forward to continuing to build one of the world's leading sustainable building products companies. Thank you. With that, we'll turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator00:12:32Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star four, by the one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to cancel your request, please press star four, by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Ketan Mamtora from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Ketan MamtoraDirector of Building Products Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets00:13:06Good morning, and thanks for taking my question. Maybe to start with and recognizing that this is a pretty tough backdrop right now, I'm just curious, sort of your approach to managing production in both lumber and North America OSB. Particularly in this environment, which increasingly looks like that demand is likely to remain soft here in the near term. Can you just give us some thoughts on how you approach managing production, particularly as we are looking at another year where EBITDA could be kind of negative in lumber? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:13:53Yeah, good morning, Ketan. Happy to touch on that. Maybe I'll just start by reinforcing a few things that the actions we took early in the cycle, which were closing either permanently or indefinitely a number of our mills, adjusting our shift configurations, and we have remained nimble in our lumber portfolio after those actions as sort of you've seen in our guidance as the years unfolded. We maintain in both of our main products, all of our product lines, but in particular lumber and OSB, a variable kind of operating strategy that first runs to our economics and our customer demand needs. That's how we manage that, and we make those decisions all the time within our platform. Ketan MamtoraDirector of Building Products Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets00:14:50Understood. On OSB, what does sort of the implied Q4 operating rate look like based on what you all have discussed? You talked about sort of 25% temporary curtailment in lumber. How does that look like in OSB? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:15:09Yeah, I'll let Chris touch on that one. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:15:12Yeah, I think, Ketan, as you'll recall, I think when we've discussed this before, Q4 is always very heavy for us on maintenance shutdowns. We strategically take that maintenance downtime in Q4 because it is a weaker seasonal period. I think with the shipment guide that is out there, that would imply an operating rate of somewhere around 80% in the fourth quarter. Ketan MamtoraDirector of Building Products Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets00:15:39Understood. Just last one from me. On the balance sheet side, the balance sheet is very strong. You've got a net cash position. Curious about how you think about M&A opportunity in this kind of down cycle at the moment. Where do you think you've got the most opportunity for inorganic growth? Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:16:08Yeah, sure, I'll jump in there. Sean, you can add if you like. I think we've been very consistent the last several years in how we've talked about M&A. For us, it's quality first, right? I think clearly an environment like we're in today necessitates that quality. It just shows how important that quality-first approach is around all those things that Sean mentioned that are challenges, whether that's residual supply or asset quality or workforce availability or timber availability. I think the way that we have the balance sheet, we have flexibility to pursue the strategy that we've always had. Growth has always been part, inorganic growth has always been part of the company's DNA going back decades. We're going to be guided first and foremost by quality and things that make the company stronger. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:17:02I think you can see that certainly in the actions that we've taken over the last several years where we've added to the portfolio. It's been very selective and high quality. We've also removed things from the portfolio that we don't think make us stronger at the bottom of the cycle. I think that'll be the guide as to what we consider as opportunities is there's got to be, we got to be satisfied with the quality that's out there. Sean? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:17:31No, that's perfect, Chris. Quality and, you know, enhancing our strength at the bottom of the cycle, those are the priorities as we think about what might be next for West Fraser. Ketan MamtoraDirector of Building Products Equity Research at BMO Capital Markets00:17:45Understood. No, that's a helpful color. Good luck. I'll jump back in the queue. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:17:50Thanks, Ketan. Operator00:17:53Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ben Isaacson from Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at Scotiabank00:18:00Good morning, and thank you very much. Just two questions for me. Sean, I think last conference call, three months ago, the federal government was starting to talk about a possible support and conversations around that when it comes to lumber. It's been three months, and things have not really improved in terms of the macro backdrop. Can you talk about what you're willing to share in terms of how those conversations are going and how federal support for lumber is starting to stack up? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:18:33Good morning, Ben. I don't have the exact date in front of me. I believe it was in early August, and it was in British Columbia, which was encouraging at a small business in Kelowna, a small lumber business where the Premier rolled out some different support measures. I don't have all the details. They're all in the public domain, but they were providing some level of support for the industry, some level of funding for exploring different markets. That would all be in the public domain. I think we, as a mandatory respondent, continue to, and frankly, with a balance sheet that remains strong, continue to support those measures for the industry with the government. At the same time, we are kind of maintaining our own balance sheets, which is reinforcing our operations. I probably wouldn't add more than that, Ben. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at Scotiabank00:19:37Okay, that's fair. Just a second question is perhaps for you or for Matt. With respect to your own customers that you talk to regularly, can you give some kind of sense in terms of how many months or days or weeks of inventory is in the U.S. channel, again, when it comes to your customers only, relative to normal conditions, for mid-October? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:20:03Yeah, go ahead there, Matt. Matt TobinSVP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser00:20:05Sure, I can answer that. I would say, you know, we don't really have visibility into our customer supply chain or their inventory levels. What I can speak to is our inventory levels, and they're lean in both SYP and SPF, which has been intentional in this uncertain market to run our inventories lean. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at Scotiabank00:20:21Okay, just to be clear, from the rate of reorder, you don't have a sense as to, in terms of planning, when your customers are going to come back and what their needs will be in the next kind of two to three months? Matt TobinSVP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser00:20:39No, I'd say, you know, they're buying as their needs come to them, and we're ready to service them in whatever regions they're in. I would say no, no fundamental change or visibility to their inventory levels. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at Scotiabank00:20:53Okay, great. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:20:53One thing I might add to that, Ben, is our customers are, you know, products readily available. They're buying what they need as they need it. I think our guidance would, you know, we're maintaining our inventories in a below-average position. Our guidance would, you know, things are flowing through based on that guidance. Ben IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at Scotiabank00:21:19Great, thank you very much. Operator00:21:24Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Sean Steuart from TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Sean SteuartManaging Director at TD Cowen00:21:30Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Sean, I want to follow up on the M&A question, and I appreciate your comments around quality assets and building strength at the bottom of the cycle. I guess the follow-on is, you know, we're three years into this lumber downturn in North America. Have you seen more opportunities coming to the surface? If so, would those opportunities include the types of assets you're looking for? I guess I'm trying to gauge what the opportunity set looks like now and how that's changed over the last three to six months. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:22:09Yeah, good morning, Sean. Probably not. I think we maybe had this question on a prior call. Probably not a lot of change this year. I think what you typically see is early in an upswing as people are thinking about, you know, if a quality asset to sell, people would then maybe look to market that. I would say in the pipeline, I don't think there's anything any more than normal. For sure, higher quality assets typically are being held to a better time to market them. All those things saying that, we wouldn't be, there wouldn't be anything that is jumping out today that is high quality and available that fits, so. Sean SteuartManaging Director at TD Cowen00:23:08Okay, thanks for that context. I also wanted to follow up with your comments on North American supply management on the lumber side and appreciating you've done a lot of work on permanent and indefinite closures over the last three years. Is a part of the decision-making for you at this point in the cycle, you know, we're arguably closer to the end of this downturn than the start at this point, hopefully. Is there a reluctance to take more permanent or indefinite shuts at this point when maybe we can see the light at the end of the tunnel as affordability headwinds start to ease? Is that part of the thinking and the thought process when you're gauging sort of rolling downtime versus further indefinite or permanent closures? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:23:58Yeah, no, it's a good question. I think we always look at it against the backdrop of how is that asset holding up during the current down cycle and do we have a clear path for the next down cycle, and we make kind of decisions against that backdrop. It's really hard to predict. I agree with your comments that hopefully we're here closer to the end than in the middle or the beginning, but we really don't know that. I think we always have to really challenge ourselves, especially in this environment. Is there a better operating model that lowers our cost here and makes us more competitive at the bottom of the cycle? I would look across our SPF business, Southern Yellow Pine, OSB, our major business lines, and volume is coming out of those businesses and costs are lower. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:24:55That's really the way we look at all those decisions. Every asset gets pressure tested in this environment. Sean SteuartManaging Director at TD Cowen00:25:05Okay, that's all I have for now. Thanks, guys. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:25:09Thank you. Operator00:25:11Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Matthew McKellar from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Matthew McKellarVP at RBC Capital Markets00:25:19Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Appreciate all the details so far. First, for me, could you maybe just share with us how conditions in the Canadian markets have evolved over the past few months, whether there's anything to call out in terms of differences in demand between the U.S. and Canada? Are you seeing any of your competitors behave any differently in the Canadian market since higher U.S. duties or the tariffs took effect? Thanks. Matt TobinSVP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser00:25:50I can take that. I would say that the Canadian market remains competitive. It's a much smaller market than the U.S. market. While it's an important market for us and we service those customers, it generally doesn't drive demand. I would say it remains competitive just with where we are in the cycle and all the other things you mentioned going on. I would say nothing unusual, just having to compete every day to service our customers in that market. Matthew McKellarVP at RBC Capital Markets00:26:22Okay, thanks very much. Just a couple of cleanups. If we're in an improved but still relatively soft wood products market next year, how should we be thinking about CapEx? Appreciate that Henderson will fade year-over-year. How does that evolve into 2026 in your view? The second would be just the fire at the Cowie facility. Could you help us understand what the state of that facility is today? Thank you. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:26:47Sure, yeah, thanks. On capital expenditures, as we look forward, I think as we said in the comments, we've spent a lot of capital. I think that's one of the advantages of our strong balance sheet, as we've been able to be durable with our capital allocation strategy and invest for the future in what have been pretty difficult markets the last couple of years. Considering that, as Sean said, we're wrapping up a lot of fairly major projects here, and our focus is shifting to operationalizing those. You can sort of think about what that means relative to 2026. We'll be out in February with our 2026 CapEx guidance. We have had two pretty busy years with big projects going on. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:27:36With respect to Cowie, I think we flagged in the materials that the incident happened about five weeks before the end of the quarter. The facility's been repaired, back up and running. I think we're pretty pleased with what we're starting to see in the European segment in terms of maybe some green shoots of things starting to turn around there. Matthew McKellarVP at RBC Capital Markets00:28:02Thanks very much for the help. I'll turn it back. Operator00:28:06Thank you once again. Should you have a question, please press star four, by the one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Hamir Patel from CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Hamir PatelExecutive Director of Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:28:20Hi, good morning. Sean, we don't have access to the U.S. trade data at the moment during the shutdown. On the ground, are you seeing any signs of European lumber imports increasing, just given that their competitive position has improved relative to Canada with all the duty and tariff changes since August? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:28:42I'd ask Matt if there's, I don't think we have a lot of visibility to that, Hamir, without the data coming in. Matt, would you add anything to that? Matt TobinSVP of Sales and Marketing at West Fraser00:28:52No, I'd say just like you said, not a lot of visibility and no meaningful change that we can see in the market. Hamir PatelExecutive Director of Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:29:00Okay, fair enough. I just want to ask in Europe if you have any comments on, with respect to OSB demand, how things are faring on both the new res and R&R side? Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:29:13Yeah, Chris sort of touched on that as, you know, an unfortunate incident at Cowie. A team did an excellent job of making the repairs and getting the mill back up and running. It kind of shadowed, that event really did shadow some progress in Europe. We are seeing, you know, hard to say how much is, you know, kind of demand-driven. Some of it still may be supply-driven. Kind of sequentially, quarter-over-quarter, we are seeing some price improvement in OSB and seeing some demand improvement there. You know, we're looking more optimistically in Europe over the next few quarters, and we'll see how all that unfolds. Hamir PatelExecutive Director of Equity Research at CIBC Capital Markets00:30:01Fair enough. Thanks. That's all I had. I'll turn it over. Operator00:30:07Thank you. We have a follow-up question from Mr. Sean Steuart from TD Cowen. Please proceed. Sean SteuartManaging Director at TD Cowen00:30:13Thanks. Just one other one. Chris, you guys have done a good job on working capital management. I appreciate there's seasonality in Q1. You'll have big log deck builds in Canada. Can you speak generally to, I guess, the changes you've made in terms of how you're managing working capital over the mid to long term, room for more reductions there, ability to pull more cash out of that, just a broader perspective on how you're thinking about that item? Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:30:46Yeah, look, I got to give a lot of kudos to the operations teams across the company on this front, right? I think it spans all elements of the working capital. We manage our credit and receivables very tightly while still maintaining good relationships with our customers. The cycle there is pretty short. I think, as Matt indicated in his comments, in many of our businesses, we're at or below target levels and operating with fairly lean inventories, which presents some challenges from time to time in terms of filling orders. The teams are doing a remarkable job of managing through that and learning how to operate with lower inventories. Then lots of work, I'll say, going on in terms of on the procurement side as well is vendors and vendor selection and things like that. I'd say it spans all aspects of this. Chris VirostekEVP and CFO at West Fraser00:31:46I'd say it's not just something that, because of the environment that we're in, that it's getting any more focused than it ordinarily does. I think the teams work hard on this stuff all the time. They're probably tired of hearing me talk about working capital. It's really been, I think, a source of strength for us here in the last while, really focusing on, frankly, all aspects of the balance sheet. It helps run a more efficient and effective business. What does that translate into going forward? Hard to say on the way out. I think some great learnings across the business and a deep focus on strong execution. Sean SteuartManaging Director at TD Cowen00:32:28Okay, that's useful. Thanks very much, guys. Operator00:32:34Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back to Mr. Sean McLaren for any closing remarks. Sean McLarenPresident and CEO at West Fraser00:32:42Thank you, Ena. As always, Chris and I are available to respond to further questions, as is Robert Winslow, our Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Thank you for your participation today. Stay well, and we look forward to reporting on our progress next quarter. Operator00:32:58This concludes today's call. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.Read moreParticipantsAnalystsSean SteuartManaging Director at TD CowenChris VirostekEVP and CFO at West FraserHamir PatelExecutive Director of Equity Research at CIBC Capital MarketsMatt TobinSVP of Sales and Marketing at West FraserBen IsaacsonManaging Director of Equity Research at ScotiabankMatthew McKellarVP at RBC Capital MarketsKetan MamtoraDirector of Building Products Equity Research at BMO Capital MarketsSean McLarenPresident and CEO at West FraserPowered by